@@46sn29 Well many feel compelled to shove in their ideologies and political leanings into everything because they choose to be activists over entertainers. Many of them are incredibly incompetent and the only way to elevate their crappy characters is destroy the good ones that came before. Also a lot of companies like Disney do things in order to get the highest ESG score in their films and shows which is just murdering creativity and storytelling in general. At this point I mostly consume either old Media or media from countries other than the US.
@@samkaranja5709 Cobra Kai is the best possible example of respecting, honoring and in some ways even elevating beloved characters while moving the story forward in the best possible way.
I'm still trying to figure out how mads mikkelsen's character survived getting hit in the face with a metal bar while hanging off a train going at full speed
@@obscure.reference you must be kidding man. There's something called fall impact. Just lock yourself inside a fridge and drop it from the 5th floor, you will get your answer?? Even before having a fall impact, person would have been fried inside the fridge. There's 1% chance in surviving major train incident but there's not even 1%chance of surviving nuke.
Remember Uncharted 4? When Nathan had essentially won at life....but couldn't get over the itch for adventure? In pursuit of it - he endangers his friendship & marriage for a brother who isn't nearly as mature as Nathan believed. In the end - he comes to terms with his mistakes & choices, deciding the change his life to seek out adventure in a safer way, marries Elena Fisher, gets a beach house & still gets regular visits from the Chad Sully & brother he risked his life for. He even got a dog named Sully like he said he would. I never want to see Nathan Drake again. I'm utterly terrified about what they'd do to him.
Yep, especially with Neil Druckmann having 100% control. While A Thief’s End had a few flaws narratively, it was still as good of an ending as you could’ve asked, and I’m surprised he didn’t completely butchered it. With rumors of a fifth game though, I expect him to go all out and act like Nathan Drake is his creation when it was Amy Hennig’s.
I was hoping this movie would go the same route with Marion's role being very similar to Elena's where she goes after him to bring him home. But alas...
Completely agree. Drake actually got a happy ending and a big part of that came from his willingness to walk away from the life he was living and finally settle down. That character had a great run but his arc is complete and there’s no need to bring him back. They could continue the franchise with other characters, but let Nate rest; he’s earned it.
Here's an idea, rather that Helena being the goddaughter of Indiana from a supposed best friend that we never met, she is actually his daughter-in-law, she was Mutt's wife and his death was really harsh on the whole family, with both of them lashing out at the other, with maybe the implication they didn't particularly liked each other but tried to make things work for his son, and through the adventure they eventually reconcile.
The problem with that idea is that it requires both at least some understanding of healthy human interaction, and the understanding that a female cannot be 100% always correct all the time and has flaws, both are things modern Lucasfilm cannot understand, much less accept.
Actually Florence Pugh and Morgan Freeman had a better movie together (A Good Person) , with a similar subject matter you suggested, father and daughter in law uneasy bonding through losses in the family. Watch that instead.
Michael Arndt invented it when he helped write the force awakens. Now, like every clever idea he thought up, they're running it into the ground because nobody else in Hollywood can think up their own shit
@@RappingNinja They will 100% break up again. There is no arc for these characters to come back together and reunite. At least Crystal Skull did that right, as flawed as it is. At the end of Skull I thought: nice how they found eachother. At the end of Dial I thought: Why is she here?
@@jeroenschaafsma138 The dialogue kinda tells us why. She left bc Indy lost himself in grief but she’s been told he is now “back” thanks to being rejuvenated by his recent adventure. But the issue is that Indy previously told us it was Marion who couldn’t get over her grief, so… it feels either inconsistent or we’re supposed to understand that her commiserating with the “it hurts everywhere” statement means they’re going to share their grief now or something? It’s not the clearest.
@@RappingNinja I honestly liked how they handled that. Indy is a stubborn man, so even when he was opening to Helena about the end of his marriage with Marion, of course he's going to say that HE was the one who failed to console his wife, when in reality, HE was just as broken up about it, and in turn Marion probably wasn't able to help him back (which is implied when she asked "Are you back?") For me, it said, without spoon feeding it to us that they were both lost and blinded by their grief that they weren't able to heal together, until the end, after some time apart. :)
No one would notice or even complain, the Pheoebe Waller Bridge character whose name I can't even remember was basically just Mutt all over again. Just swap out an estranged son with an estranged foster/god daughter
Watching how Disney handled Han Solo and Indiana Jones makes me appreciate a movie like Blade Runner 2049 even more so. They did something new while paying homage to the original
How they didn’t go with the idea of Indy partnering up with HIS OWN SON and a grown up Short Round has got to be one of the most tone deaf writing choices I’ve heard in a long time. Mutt being killed off is a straight up spat in the face to Indy’s happy ending.
Short Round was still in child star obscurity when this was being made. Easy to criticize that casting decision with a retrospectoscope. “That would have been cool” is a more sensible wording of this sentiment.
Well this is the same studio that didn't think to have the original Star Wars gang reunite for a few scenes in the recent sequels. They don't understand the franchises they own or their customers.
@@Lepidopterous.so he was in obscurity... Sure glad everything all at once went to obscure land to find him..... It's not like this movie and a ton of other movies are just an 80s movie nostalgia grift and when that dude was a kid he was king of the 80s...
It’s also annoying how the ending of him reconvening with Marion is just what crystal skull already did. It undoes crystal skull just to halfway put it back together.
They should’ve had Marion as one of the main characters. She’s funny, clever, and tenacious. But Hollywood is ageist and some executive was probably claiming she wouldn’t appeal to them kids.
Ignoring old media, ruining legacy characters irreparably in their twilight years, and doing previous stories but worse is all Lucasfilm knows to do, don't you know?
I don’t know wat u mean by the point the nazis had literally killed cia operatives and went rogue p sure they would have put together who was responsible for those murders
Indy took some punches from some big dudes in the original films. Yet, this tiny women knocks him out with one punch.. Also, you don't stay knocked out for hours, just to get him back in his home. Lazy writing.
I wholeheartedly agree with having Short Round in Indy's last adventure. If Indy is the grumpy old adventurer who lost his sense of adventuring, Short Round would be the one who will bring that sensation back to old Indy. No time for love Indy! What a missed opportunity sigh. Just like we will never see Luke, Leia and Han together in one scene.
The “deconstruction of the beloved hero” could be interesting once or twice if it was actually good and not a cynical attempt to destroy a beloved character
"Logan" kinda did it well enough, and even then, it's not everyone's cup of tea. We all know about our own mortality, few of us need to pay a movie ticket to be reminded of it.
@@Lepidopterous. you mean Indians Jones helped save the day? Obviously they’re going to shove that in the end. They’re not exactly gonna make him the villain. But the constant cheap shots, put downs, and, let’s say, uncharacteristic choices for the character are still way overdone to the point of many people saying it’s disrespectful
Well…Spielberg also directed Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, so that could be another reason why it feels more like Indy. Even though crystal skull wasn’t very good, Spielberg is still a cinema wizard and every shot has intention.
This would have been a much better ending: Phoebe Waller Bridge fails to convince Indy, she understands why he has to stay. They cry and embrace. She walks away. Now Archimedes walks up to Indy, then give him some psychobabble about how Indy should go back to the future. Indy then realizes Archimedes is right and calls out to Phoebe who turns back, smiles at him and we have a whole sequence of how they go back to the future with Archimedes waving goodbye to them. So much better than Phoebe just socking him in the face and calling it a day.
Either way, it needed to be HIS decision. If he stayed, great, then he chose to stay in the past and observe firsthand the history that he spent his life studying. If he went back, great, then he chose Marion and a chance at redeeming his relationships with the people closest to him. But to take away his agency in his final film and just force him to come back despite him begging her to leave him… it’s honestly offensive and I hate it.
Yes, Ke Huy Quan would’ve been somebody to get for the final chapter. John Williams score was phenomenal for dial of destiny. The ending did not bother me
The fact they didn't make a movie where Mutt and Short Round have to team up to save Indy in the same way Indy saved his father in Crusade should be criminal.
But then everyone would complain that Indy was relegated to a damsel in distress instead of the hero of the story. I do agree Short Round should have been in it instead of Fleabag
I think this is a great idea. Ya maybe Indy is then relegated to being somewhat of a 2nd character… but seeing Mutt & Short Round both competing for Indy’s approval as his sort of “son” who came before & Indy’s actual son… as they battle baddies to rescue him would have such cool character dynamics.
@@kingdomofkyru I believe you would also run into a problem with audiences automatically siding with Short Round over Mutt, given the fact that Short Round was a fan favorite and Mutt was widely disliked
What an absolute missed opportunity with an adult Short Round. I think a lot of people, myself included would have stood up and cheered if Indy, in some profound gesture, passed the torch to Short Round as he donned the fedora at the end of an Indiana's last adventure.
I remember watching “Temple of Doom” and during that scene where Short Round escapes to save and at that point where he catches the rope on the ceiling as the wooden ladder falls, I thought to myself, “How would I not want to see him in a spin-off?”
@@CASSIE_COLE honestly Id hate to seen Indy go out this way. Its basically impossible at this point but I want a short film or a TV special with Shortround meeting up with Indy one last time. Hell I so much dont want it to end this way I would be fine with one last film done right. Maybe actually have Indy find the Spear of Longinus that was set up in this one.
Indy doesn't give the fedora; that's just not the right idea. He's Indiana Jones, if Short Round got it he wouldn't become Indy. It'd be rise of skywalker all over again.
Even though they said his son wouldn't be in this movie. I was hoping for a suprise cameo at the end with him going back in time to keep him from enlisting.
Indy could have left a message in the past for Abner Ravenwood, Marion Ravenwood or even his younger self to discover being archeologists as Warning from the past to stop Mutt going to war and dying
That’s a very good comparison, for as much as the 4th gets shit on, it has the damn decency to give the character the happy send off he deserved, even if I prefer the ride into the sunset
Short Round was the obvious choice for Indy's partner in this movie. The fact that they offscreen kill his son without even seriously considering recasting and gave no thought to a character people would've wanted to see, rather than going for Fleabag to satisfy Kathleen, is really telling. Lucasfilm needs new leadership.
@@chazharrisStop shilling for who is objectively the worst CEO of a film studio we have ever seen in the history of Hollywood. She is GARBAGE. If you cannot see her so blatant political agendas which have infected all of her products then you’re part of the problem.
@@chazharrisShe has added nothing good to franchise. She messed up Solo by getting involved too much causing the directors to leave. She would better off if she didn’t get involved in the stories
I thought it would have been amazing to see Indiana Jones retired from adventures until he receives a coded message from a long-lost friend in danger. Ultimately, this friend, Short Round, followed in the footsteps of his only father figure, seeking lost relics. Marion urges Jones not to go, but he must go to save his faithful friend. The plot could have explored how the two disconnected, Wu Han's character background, and the events after the Temple of Doom. In the final chapter, Indiana plays a similar role as Henry Jones Sr. to Short Round. Once the treasure is found, Indiana urges Short Round to "let it go" and reminds him that life truly is not all about "fortune and glory, kid." I was happy to see the new film nevertheless. Harrison Ford is awesome.
That would’ve been a much better film especially with Mutt being killed off. Like Indy needs to go save Shortround because he doesn’t want to lose another son.
This would’ve worked very well and could’ve added a new enemy like the Chinese communist. Short round would’ve definitely at some point had to evade and escape them
It's amazing how many random mfs across the internet can come up with more compelling storylines compared to what a multi-million dollar "professional" movie studio has been doing to the most iconic titles.
PWB's character knew the villains were killing ppl, and still locked the door on Indy so he's stuck in the room with them. So basically she left him (her godfather) to his death. She feels no remorse or guilt whatsoever, doesnt even apologise. From that moment forward I hated her character and absolutely despised every scene she was in. Also in the ending she punches Indy, at his old age it could've killed him. He was also shot and bleeding so don't know how he survived that. They literally didn't show all the important bits with regard to how Indy survived and how they got back to their present, they flash forward and he just wakes up in his bed and that's it.. Also in the 3rd act the little kid was able to fly a plane, so fkn stupid. This movie should’ve been called the Dump of Destiny.
I thought Sha laboooof was great, just misused ( sword fights and vine swinging was dumb ). His character actually had the most room to grow and change though. A later pairing of "Mud and Short Round" as the side characters could really work off each other. Mud is tough, gruff and dumb / Short Round takes after Indiana but he's more skidish and risk averse. The two of them make up an "Indiana". In fact - a "Mud & Short Round" movie might've been kinda amazing.
I have the exact complaint with Helena punching Indy. I really dislike the ending because it wasn't his choice to back to the present. Unlike the Last Crusade where Indy tries to reach for the Grail but his Father convivences him not to, which eventually made his own choice without anyone forcing him.
I completely agree. The ending of Dial of Destiny needs a complete rewrite where Indy has a choice of coming back to the present day, not a violent punch in the face on an old guy by a physically fit 35-year-old person, let alone a lady.
It’s not great, but it was never that awful or bad in the first place. Let’s be honest, the real reason it got so much hate is because kids who grew up with the original trilogy became cynical adults who were disappointed that Crystal Skull didn’t make them feel like kids again. Not saying Crystal Skull doesn’t have its issues, but they were greatly and grossly exaggerated by people who wanted another Indiana Jones and didn’t realize he’s 60 years now and made them realize they’re in their 30s-40s.
John Williams did say they did reshoots for the ending. I think the rumors where that they would time travel back to when Indy was young, and he was going to die, killing off old Indy as well. Helena was then going to replace Indy throughout history, to sort things out. Kathleen wanted that ending (I believe it) but it didn't do well in test screenings and they reshot stuff and rearranged the movie. That would honestly explain the shoddy work on young Indy's face, they just didn't have that much time to do it.
That and apparently one of the demands to be met if they were to make another Indiana Jones film was to not kill off Indy, otherwise Spielberg would’ve sued.
CS was a flawed passion product made by people who still loved the characters. DOD was a product that tried and failed to use member berries and tore down a iconic character to make way for a strong female character. i'd take swordfighting and swinging with monkeys over that crap that came out this week.
It seems like they were trying to recreate the interactions with Indy and Marion with Indy and his Godaughter. Marion and Indy were antagonistic for much of the first film. One big problem though... enemies to lovers is well establish and works because of sexual tension. These two have no sexual tension, nor should they, so it just feels like two enemies staying together for no reason.
He didn’t say that was the take they were going for, it’s pretty obvious he was saying it works best for that dynamic rather than 2 antagonists the entire time.
@@yeah_yeahwhatever I don't think he was trying to create sexual tension, and as I stated, they SHOULDN'T have sexual tension. It's just 2 people being mad/annoying with no positives to either them or the audience. Nether they nor the audience have any reason to root for them to work together. Sometimes scripts use sexual tension to do that, but since that doesn't fit this script, and they didn't replace it with something else, they have NO reason to work together.
I noticed that about the "de-aging" segment: they didn't de-age his voice. Disney HAS the technology to do exactly that, they used it perfectly in the de-aged Luke Skywalker segments in The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett.
They can do it, but it usually doesn't "act" as well as the original. Even if he sounded older, having something "human" about deep fake Indy was probably a really good call
Should have had Shia in this movie, everyone loves a comeback story and he’s a great actor and could have pulled it off , anyway that would require good writing and Hollywood is all out of good writers
It absolutely could have worked. If anything it would have gave the film more positive buzz instead of what they got when the masses found out Intersectional Feminist Phoebe Waller Bridge had a big role to play in this mess.
The appreciation for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull throughout the fanbase has begun. Saw this coming the moment announced this movie based on what happened to the sequel trilogy
I didn't like Crystal Skull, but I did like having him and Marion getting married and I liked the idea of him having a son. But they managed to screw both of those up with the new movie.
This weird sort of retroactive praise is so infuriating. It's like why put any stock in something being bad if in 5-10 years people are gonna start hailing it as a "misunderstood masterpiece" just because something inferior comes out. It's why I have massive respect for the people who DIDN'T turn around on the prequels, and still believes Star Wars is only a trilogy
I think both films prove that Indy is a character of the 40s and if you take him out of that era he loses what makes him special. It's a time and place that works. Even real people of the past. Their stories are of a certain time in their lives, not their whole lives.
nah they could absolutley work outside of that time period. Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls adventure aspect worked well enough. It was just held back by shoddy CG. Temple of Doom has hardly anything tying it to the era specifically. There are even aspects of this movie that work. Its just held back by a poor choice of supporting cast.
@@ComicCrossing I think OP is talking about how modern film makers (not even audiences) HATE the men from that time...the strong men who did things like save the world from Nazi domination, built roads and cities, and designed rockets that would eventually take us to the moon, and to discover the planets in our solar system. Basically, they hate men who do men stuff, and only like weak men, who bow to the 4th generation intersectional feminist downfall of the West.
The rumored orignal ending was that Young Indy sacrificed himself to save the day, which in turn also killed Old Indy. So then Phoebe Waller's character took his place and there was montages of her taking his place in all his previous film adventures and becoming the "new Indiana Jones".
I'm glad even Jeremy has gotten tired of this trend of ruining things by subverting beloved characters into the ground. This all really kicked off with Ghost Busters 2016 and that movie bombed hard. Fans will always reject this crap.
Dr. Jones was a tenured professor at a renowned University. It would’ve been so much better if he was still a professor and had a student come talk to him about some old wreck or treasure. Jones, who’s been behind a desk for too long says they should go find it. They go on the adventure, Indy gets one last journey and his student realizes that Dr. Jones not just some old dude, but a true adventurer. Why must everything be sad and depressing. I don’t understand how anyone can think “oh, that’s a great plot!” It’s like Disney hammered a square peg into a round hole and not one person thought, “hey maybe there’s a better way to do this.”
@@brucecrawford17_ I loved Prequels a lot and I still do, Kingdom of the crystal skull wasn't really bad but definietly my least favorite out of the 4 movies
13:01 no it didn't. The biggest problem with Crystal Skull is the tone. It felt like a parody of Indiana Jones. It didn't take the character or the world seriously. The dialogue and acting felt like something out of the Adam West Batman show.
I truly believe what Kathleen Kennedy has done to Star Wars and Indiana Jones is petty revenge for some slight, real or imagined, visited upon her by Spielberg and Lucas that she's been stewing on for decades. There's literally no other logical explanation for the way she's utterly butchered these franchises.
That's not an unpopular assessment of Kennedy's motives. I suspect, though, that she thinks she's revolutionizing cinema. I bet she goes back to the office thinking (as the guy from MoneyBall put it) that the first one through the door is always gonna get bloody. On her watch, she's damaged a lot of franchises, but I don't believe she's in her basement rubbing her hands together and cackling about it.
I am pretty sure the original ending had Indiana Jones stay in the past. And then it would be revealed that Indiana in fact was Archimedes. Which is why Archimedes' intelligence was so ahead of its time and why Indy's watch was in Archimedes' tomb. And it would set up an interesting bootstrap paradox about who actually created the Antikythera device since the only reason "Archimedes" had it was because he found it in the future and brought it back to the past. And since it was left there it could be found in the future to be brought back to the past.
I originally thought Archimedes was wearing Indy's watch, but I'm pretty sure they revealed it was actually the Nazi's watch, because we see after the crash that Archimedes found his body and they specifically showed him looking at his watch.
@@j-jackquinn5540 At first I did think it was gonna be Indy in the coffin, which would have been a wild way to end the movie. Idk if I would have preferred that ending or not. On one hand, that would have been a really crazy way for Indy's story to end, and feels fitting for his character to be trapped in history. On the other hand, I like him getting a happy ending.
Thank you for a real, honest review. One of the few big UA-cam movie reviewers left who is no longer a shill (here's looking at you Struckman) and this is why people will trust you and you will continue to grow.
@@ryderproductions8456 He doesn't give negative reviews anymore because he's trying to make his own film and doesn't want to insult anyone in the industry
Yeah now he's producing his own movie so he's too scared to criticise meaning he is handing out positive reviews to trash like this to keep on the critics/Hollywood's good side. Can't really blame him but lost any confidence in his honesty so no longer respect his opinions as they're likely disingenuous.
I think this is one of your most poignant reviews I’ve seen. It made me feel sad for the state of movies in general….it’s hard to explain the feeling, but I just feel like we’ve lost touch with the form of storytelling that made cinema, literature, and art so impactful. Based on your review, it feels like the concept of the hero’s journey has been lost, and maybe even forsaken by these Hollywood writers. It’s a sad state of affairs atm.
We can't call these people writers anymore, they're activists. There's no excuse for the trash they've been shoveling out. They have all the money and talent to put out quality and yet we don't get it.
I believe there are still good stories and art in the world to experience and share among us. A good example of this for me in cinema, Past Lives. I was stunned at how timeless, truthfully painful, and yet endearingly romantic that film approaches generational love between two people that truly connect but can never be, because of well, life and the choices/paths we take on it. That is a romantic gem that could be seen as a classic down the road. We are just seeing the literal death gasps of cynically made, bloated big budget films gasping for some creative life (with the few rare exceptions nowadays).
As far as I'm concerned? Indy and crew rode of into the sunset at the end of Last Crusade and lived happily ever after. Sadly they never made any movies after that, real shame and missed opportunity, but at least the series ended on a high note
I think the de aging looked the best that ive seen. the only thing that stood out was something about the eyes, they seemed super still during the close ups
I personally thought the de aging was horrible lol. Glad I’m the only knit picker. The voice didn’t seem to be de aged at all. It sounded like an 80 year old Harrison ford, not 40 year old. They should have used old audio to make him sound younger.
When he ran along the top of the train like the train was standing still - not doing 60mph. Then later when the train looked to have sped up to 100mph+ (impossible for the time) and they're fighting on the train and Indy has his hat on like it stays on in hurricane force winds!! People not looking / glancing ahead to check for branches, tunnels and more. Just it all makes the CG worse by removing all suspension of disbelief! They can't have the train bump along at 50mph like an OLD train would be doing.
You missed a scene. Before Indy walks into the room where Wombat is selling the dial, there's a pilot teaching the kid how to fly a plane. What's ridiculous is the guy in the back of the plane he stole doesn't wake up until mid flight.
There are two things I've always needed from this channel: Jeremy to watch ATLA after his review of The Last Airbender and a second look at Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I'm a very happy man.
Last crusade ending sucks. Krystal skull gives us a great old Indy and he get's married to the girl who should've been in Crusade which is a brilliant ending as it distances Indy from being a playboy James Bond or Clint Eastwood type character to someone kids can look up too.
If you are going to do a legacy sequel you need to do it like Top Gun Maverick. In that film, Maverick wasn't some broken, sad failure. He was still at the top of his game. In fact, he was better than ever. This film needs to be like that.
@@TheJiminatorHSor have them act as a wise mentor, getting their pupils ready to carry on a legacy. But that'd require respecting the wise mentor archetype.
@@TheJiminatorHS True. Technically Harrison Ford could be Tom Cruise's father so of course you couldn't have an Indiana Jones in top form, but it was sad to see the state in which Indiana Jones is in and it's not his physical capability that is the problem, it's his mental state. He's miserable almost the whole movie. I HATE that they killed his son. No matter how happy the last scene is, we all know that a part of Indy and Marion died and they will never be completely happy again. At least if they had grand children to look forward to, but they don't even have that.
Kathleen Kennedy and Disney DOES NOT want to show successful men at the top of their game. They want to show them as broken, drunk, bad fathers, losers...etc
Getting "back together" with a woman who gave you divorce papers isn't a happy ending, it's just delaying the inevitable. Once you make the choice to give a man divorce papers, the love is over. This is a horrible ending.
I’ve been watching The Making of Indiana Jones and it still amazes me how much time and effort went into everything, from the casting to the sets to the writing. Not to mention it was all done practically. From the sounds of it, they just went “eh, we’ll CGI everything and throw in a bunch of call-backs.”
Well, this explains why they've wasted an extra $50-$100 million dollars on a dangerously high-risk sequel to Indiana Jones 4 by placing too much CGI all over the place. Good God, this movie would've been an easy 9/10 after the debacle that was The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but it ended up a 7.5/10 movie. Maybe 7/10.
Killing off Indy's only kid is unnecessary and unforgivable. So much love for that iconic character, and THAT'S how they send him off? He deserved better. WE deserved better
@@krustomer Nah... Mutt was alright. He's far from the most egregious thing about KOTCS (a film I don't personally hate but don't care to rewatch either.)
apparently Mangold decides to kill Mutt because, he's an important guy in Indy's life and not having him in his new adventure would be weird, so he decides to kill him to not include in the movie
I think it’s interesting that Dial of Destiny is out and some people are like “you know, maybe Crystal Skull actually isn’t that bad”. Reminds me of Star Wars, after episode 9 happened and people are now saying “you know, maybe the prequels actually aren’t that bad.” Now I wonder what else we’ll be saying that about in the future. Maybe the new Tron movie.
You know it's bad when Jeremy busts out the drinks. The Indiana Jones series ended for me with The Last Crusade. The rare third movie in a trilogy that's the best of the trilogy.
Crystal Skull was the ending for me. Indy goes on one last adventure, gets married to Marion, has a son, and enjoys his twilight years with his family. The end.
The way Helena Shaw treat Indian Jones, Reminds me of the way Corey Cunningham treated Michael Myers in Halloween ends, The disrespect for these Legendary characters is unreal
James Mangold recently said in an interview they talked about having Short Round but apparently they were shooting the same time as Everything Everywhere
I always thought crystal skull was good and looked forward to the son taking up the whip for a knew generation, plus that ant scene will haunt me till my dying day
Adding quality characters in later instalments totally works. Lethal Weapon 2-4 is a great example. Instead of ignoring short round and Mutt they could have embellished them and complemented the Indy crew. Indy may have been happier too
"Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" at least tries to look like an Indiana Jones movie and still gives us an active Indy. He didn't come across as old, even when watching it fifteen years ago. Speaking of "nostalgia bait," there were a couple of aggravations. In the beginning, the Disney card was on screen, followed by the Paramount card, but then that was followed by the Lucasfilm logo instead of fading to something like a peak. Next - the opening shot - was the close-up of a door's lock with the titles in the same typeface as the first, third, and fourth films. To match those earlier movies, either the Lucasfilm logo should have been before the Paramount one, as it was in the fourth, or just used the Lucasfilm Ltd. title within the credits like in the first and third films. I also wondered why the Indiana Jones theme was just after the first travelogue map scene instead of during it.
please find a hobby. no one actually cares about the order of the company logos at the start of the film. They're only there because of contractual reasons.
My biggest issue with the movie is Helena for the reasons you mentioned. I loved the nostalgia bate at the end and I felt like it served the ending well. It felt enough like an indy ending, while also finally giving him his well deserved happy ending. They should have either A. Made Helena Marcus Brody's child because that has weight to it and we know and love Marcus. OR what everyone is saying is that it should have been Short Round not Helena. Also get rid of discount Short Round from this movie, as well as bring Sallah along on the adventure and either replace Antonio Banderes all together and just have it be Sallah, or make Antonio Banderas an old friend of Sallah and he helps them on the diving expedition. If he's Sallah's friend we don't have to have had history with the character. Other than that, Harrison for as a grumpy old man was great, I didn't care for the death of mutt and the divorce until the coarse of history was changed and Marion came in at the end. I wish it would have also changed mutts fate too and there was a mention of "how's the kid" atthe end and Marion mentioned that he's doing well with his family (as you mentioned). And of course Madds Mikkelsen is incredible. He may even be my new favorite Indy villain.
Yes, making Helena Brody's child would have made more sense except the actor who plays Brody, Denholm Elliott, is deceased so they'd have to totally AI is face.
Why couldn’t we have had Indy, Marion, Short Round and Sallah on an adventure together? You don’t need these new characters. Have these four great characters we know and love going after Voller and his guys. Would’ve been awesome.
I got out of the theater and realized a plot hole. That wanted by the NYPD for murder thing. Besides being brought up by Indy a time or two, Is completely forgotten by the end of the movie when they get back to New York.
Agreed, Jeremy. Saw it the other day and it was "fun," but felt tired and trite. While it was great to see Harrison Ford reprise his role, I was generally disliking the Indie-Wombat relationship and was sitting there wondering why the two were set up THIS way. I also think there was an entirely different way this movie went after they found the tomb (and can only speculate that this was the reason Spielberg departed from the director's chair). At the end, I was most excited during that intense de-aged opening -- and then it was just a steady descent into mediocrity with nothing creative and an anti-climatic resolution. The Williams score was (per usual) magnificent and the Indie theme was great to hear -- too bad what was the on the screen felt like a poor imitation of a franchise mishandled on its final leg. Top Gun Maverick showed bringing back old franchises can be done right. Disney could have gone so many different (and much better) directions here -- frankly, that's the most disappointing part -- seeing the possibilities onscreen and none of them materializing. BTW, very much enjoy your videos/takes. The best movie reviews on the Net.
I haven't seen this yet, but I have a feeling I'm going to agree with most if not all of what you said here. I really, really hate this new trope they have going where they bring back iconic couples and characters just to ruin their happy endings and either kill them or just put them back together, which makes the breakup completely pointless. And they absolutely could have recast Mutt. There are plenty of 30-40 something actors that could have taken the role. (I always liked Crystal Skull. And after the ark, the cult that ripped out hearts and controlled people and the holy grail, I don't know why aliens was so controversial.)
@DuelaDent52 Right. Because unless you're talking about God or Christ, beings living anywhere but Earth is insane. It's pretty damn arrogant to think you have all the answers when so much of the universe hasn't been explored.
While I think going back in time was dumb as fuck, I do like the idea of Indy becoming part of history, so there’s some drawing of him on an Ancient Greek relic or some shit at the end. That would’ve been a lovely ending, the music swelling on a final image of Ford, cast into bronze, set in eternity. That’s my ending.
This to me felt like the "No Time to Die" of Indiana Jones movies. Similar types of situations too: - Main Actor's last hurrah as Hero - Questionable decisions made by character not previously made before - Wild Third Act with decisions that either make the movie or break it for you. I still enjoyed Indy much like I enjoyed seeing Daniel Craig's Bond one last time, but it could have been so much better.
At least Bond was competent through the entire movie and dies like a badass hero saving the world. Indy gets zero agency and gets knocked out and dragged back to the present against his will like a child.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best word I can use to describe Dial of Destiny is "underwhelming". The beginning was definitely the best part, but I felt very bored through most of the second act, and the third act took a major nose dive. People give Crystal Skull flak for including "aliens", but I felt the time travel in this one was even more ridiculous. And yes, I also think Crystal Skull was better as it at least had fun action scenes and felt like a classic Indy adventure. Spielberg's direction helped as well. I give James Mangold credit for trying, but he's just not Spielberg.
Saw "Dial of Destiny" yesterday, and after sleeping one night over it, I think I gotta talk about it, because I'm actually kinda bothered. Not gonna spoil anything that happens in the movie. HOWEVER, I'm gonna talk about what DOESN'T happen in it, so consider yourself warned. Don't read on, if you haven't seen the movie yet... or do read on, if you don't give a shit, I don't care... This was a bittersweet experience overall. The single best thing about "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" is seeing Harrison Ford going at it in his full Indiana Jones attire one last time on the big screen, which was kinda glorious. I've got no problem with him being old af, I do find that rather charming. Ford's 80, Indy's probably about 70 in his movie world, so what? I found the de-aging in the beginning also quite well done, not 100% perfect, but believable enough. So, that's good, too. Not so good: Phoebe Waller-Bridge is an oddly unlikeable actress, who doubles down and plays an extremely unlikeable character here... and she didn't work for me at all. Also, her chemestry with Ford is the worst of all the sidekicks in the entire Indiana Jones franchise, the best being Sean Connery as his dad, of course. I can't for the life of me understand how people can watch this movie and say it is better than "Crystal Skull". It's not. The last 20 minutes or so are horrifyingly, catastrophically bad. They come across as godawful fanfiction. Nothing in "Crystal Skull" even comes close to what happens at the end of "Dial". To me - being not entirely an idiot - it's absolutely clear, what should have happened in the third act here: Indy goes back in time and follows Voller to the train from the beginning, where Voller convinces his younger self to kill Hitler. So Indy has to team up with his younger self to fight both young and old Mads Mikkelsen. They dispatch of him - preferably in a cooler way than what actually happens - and then both Indys share a nice moment together, the old one tells young Jones to make sure his son doesn't enlist and goes to fight in Vietnam, and then returns to his present. There, Waller-Bridge takes possession of the dial, but instead of trying to sell it, she imediately destroys it, giving here something like a nice character arc or some shit. Indy goes to his appartment, where Mutt's still alive now, his marriage is well, everything's fine, yaddayaddayadda. He shares a heartfelt moment with his son, maybe mirroring the nice scene at the cliff from "Last Crusade" with Connery. Then Mutt meets Helena, sparks fly and they both go on future adventures together (after you've recast Waller-Bridge with a more likeable actress) and you can keep the franchise alive with spin offs for another 30 years. Voila. This isn't rocket science, this shit basically writes itself. I don't even want to know how many negative test screenings and panicky reshoots were necessary, until they ended up storywise, where they finally did... it boggles the mind... Easily the worst Indiana Jones movie of them all for me.
Tbh I didn’t really hate Shia as Mutt, cuz I was like 10 when Skull came out and I was still on the Shia train after Transformers. He’s problematic to work with, but his character was infinitely more likable than PWB’s character here. Either him coming back or a recast would have worked better.
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Ruining beloved characters = Failure
Respecting beloved character = Success
Top Gun Maverick is the best possible example of this in recent years.
Exactly. It gave us interesting new characters without taking a massive dump on the legacy ones. Why is this so hard for Hollywood to grasp?
or Spiderverse, the movie respects the core elements of Spiderman and it works
Also Cobra Kai and Creed
@@46sn29 Well many feel compelled to shove in their ideologies and political leanings into everything because they choose to be activists over entertainers. Many of them are incredibly incompetent and the only way to elevate their crappy characters is destroy the good ones that came before. Also a lot of companies like Disney do things in order to get the highest ESG score in their films and shows which is just murdering creativity and storytelling in general. At this point I mostly consume either old Media or media from countries other than the US.
@@samkaranja5709 Cobra Kai is the best possible example of respecting, honoring and in some ways even elevating beloved characters while moving the story forward in the best possible way.
I'm still trying to figure out how mads mikkelsen's character survived getting hit in the face with a metal bar while hanging off a train going at full speed
Same way indy survived a nuke
@@saulgoodman4010 he protected himself from it with heavy metal?
That is basically the indy hide in fridge scene of this movie... We just have to accept it... It's canon now
@@obscure.reference you must be kidding man. There's something called fall impact. Just lock yourself inside a fridge and drop it from the 5th floor, you will get your answer?? Even before having a fall impact, person would have been fried inside the fridge.
There's 1% chance in surviving major train incident but there's not even 1%chance of surviving nuke.
@@EFANZPro Somehow it's even more ridiculous because at least indy was "protected" by a fridge.
Remember Uncharted 4?
When Nathan had essentially won at life....but couldn't get over the itch for adventure? In pursuit of it - he endangers his friendship & marriage for a brother who isn't nearly as mature as Nathan believed. In the end - he comes to terms with his mistakes & choices, deciding the change his life to seek out adventure in a safer way, marries Elena Fisher, gets a beach house & still gets regular visits from the Chad Sully & brother he risked his life for. He even got a dog named Sully like he said he would.
I never want to see Nathan Drake again. I'm utterly terrified about what they'd do to him.
Considering how they absolutely demolished The Last of Us, I really don't want them to either.
Yep, especially with Neil Druckmann having 100% control. While A Thief’s End had a few flaws narratively, it was still as good of an ending as you could’ve asked, and I’m surprised he didn’t completely butchered it. With rumors of a fifth game though, I expect him to go all out and act like Nathan Drake is his creation when it was Amy Hennig’s.
I was hoping this movie would go the same route with Marion's role being very similar to Elena's where she goes after him to bring him home. But alas...
That’s what you call character development, and that’s when a video game knows how to do it better than a Hollywood blockbuster…
Completely agree. Drake actually got a happy ending and a big part of that came from his willingness to walk away from the life he was living and finally settle down. That character had a great run but his arc is complete and there’s no need to bring him back. They could continue the franchise with other characters, but let Nate rest; he’s earned it.
Here's an idea, rather that Helena being the goddaughter of Indiana from a supposed best friend that we never met, she is actually his daughter-in-law, she was Mutt's wife and his death was really harsh on the whole family, with both of them lashing out at the other, with maybe the implication they didn't particularly liked each other but tried to make things work for his son, and through the adventure they eventually reconcile.
That’s not a bad idea, actually!
The problem with that idea is that it requires both at least some understanding of healthy human interaction, and the understanding that a female cannot be 100% always correct all the time and has flaws, both are things modern Lucasfilm cannot understand, much less accept.
Knowing Disney, they would not have made Mutt heterosexual
Actually Florence Pugh and Morgan Freeman had a better movie together (A Good Person) , with a similar subject matter you suggested, father and daughter in law uneasy bonding through losses in the family. Watch that instead.
So much better than just a random woman
This whole "Deconstruction of the old male hero" trope is getting old
Woke disney
It was never young
Not for Disney, I'm afraid 🙄
Kathleen Kennedy
Michael Arndt invented it when he helped write the force awakens. Now, like every clever idea he thought up, they're running it into the ground because nobody else in Hollywood can think up their own shit
It's crazy to think that of all Harrison Ford's iconic characters, it's now Rick Deckard who arguably has the least tragic ending.
Indy’s entire point in this movie is that he gets his groove (and wife) back. It only starts with him in tragedy…
@@RappingNinja They will 100% break up again. There is no arc for these characters to come back together and reunite. At least Crystal Skull did that right, as flawed as it is.
At the end of Skull I thought: nice how they found eachother. At the end of Dial I thought: Why is she here?
@@jeroenschaafsma138 The dialogue kinda tells us why. She left bc Indy lost himself in grief but she’s been told he is now “back” thanks to being rejuvenated by his recent adventure. But the issue is that Indy previously told us it was Marion who couldn’t get over her grief, so… it feels either inconsistent or we’re supposed to understand that her commiserating with the “it hurts everywhere” statement means they’re going to share their grief now or something? It’s not the clearest.
2049 continues to be one of the only big budget movies of the last decade to have justified and earned its own existence.
@@RappingNinja I honestly liked how they handled that. Indy is a stubborn man, so even when he was opening to Helena about the end of his marriage with Marion, of course he's going to say that HE was the one who failed to console his wife, when in reality, HE was just as broken up about it, and in turn Marion probably wasn't able to help him back (which is implied when she asked "Are you back?") For me, it said, without spoon feeding it to us that they were both lost and blinded by their grief that they weren't able to heal together, until the end, after some time apart. :)
Indy and Short Round would have been great for Indy to work through him losing his son, as Short Round was like his first son anyways.
Kathleen Kennedy reportedly didn't like the idea of a scene between Indy & Short Round because she didn't want to detract from the character of Helena
You should've written the script.
@@gridley yeah because Kathleen has so many amazing ideas.
Yes, right here!
@@gridleythe woman has poor taste
If Miles Teller replaced Shia as Mutt I don’t think many people would notice
Shit… that’s actually a damn good point!
_No no...he's got a point._
Better yet, they could've replaced him with Anthony Ingruber
No one would notice or even complain, the Pheoebe Waller Bridge character whose name I can't even remember was basically just Mutt all over again. Just swap out an estranged son with an estranged foster/god daughter
Wait a minute what? What's the context behind this? Am I missing something or you really mean this?
Watching how Disney handled Han Solo and Indiana Jones makes me appreciate a movie like Blade Runner 2049 even more so. They did something new while paying homage to the original
So true
Really crazy how Deckard has a happier ending than Indy and especially Han fucking Solo.
well he was also a grumpy asshole who lost a family member in BR2049
Unfortunately there aren't many Denis Villeneuve's but they did have Mangold here. Clearly he was smothered by the corporate structure.
@@_JellyWalkernever saw that one coming
How they didn’t go with the idea of Indy partnering up with HIS OWN SON and a grown up Short Round has got to be one of the most tone deaf writing choices I’ve heard in a long time. Mutt being killed off is a straight up spat in the face to Indy’s happy ending.
Welcome to Hollywood
Short Round was still in child star obscurity when this was being made. Easy to criticize that casting decision with a retrospectoscope. “That would have been cool” is a more sensible wording of this sentiment.
Well this is the same studio that didn't think to have the original Star Wars gang reunite for a few scenes in the recent sequels. They don't understand the franchises they own or their customers.
@@Lepidopterous.so he was in obscurity... Sure glad everything all at once went to obscure land to find him..... It's not like this movie and a ton of other movies are just an 80s movie nostalgia grift and when that dude was a kid he was king of the 80s...
Especially since Short Round's actor is now an Oscar winner. I loved Phoebe Waller Bridge, but the story would have worked better with Mutt
It’s also annoying how the ending of him reconvening with Marion is just what crystal skull already did. It undoes crystal skull just to halfway put it back together.
i kinda was ok with him dying
the same ending we got last time but worse cause his son is still dead
SEQUEL TRILOGY ITENSIFIES
They should’ve had Marion as one of the main characters. She’s funny, clever, and tenacious. But Hollywood is ageist and some executive was probably claiming she wouldn’t appeal to them kids.
Ignoring old media, ruining legacy characters irreparably in their twilight years, and doing previous stories but worse is all Lucasfilm knows to do, don't you know?
You forgot to mention how the murder charges were magically wiped away when he got knocked out.
That was weird.
Underdeveloped subplot, but yeah, that was weird it never got mentioned again at the end of DoD.
And Teddy is controlling plane, riding into time portal and no one cared about that kid being so close to get killed by Romans 😂
I don’t know wat u mean by the point the nazis had literally killed cia operatives and went rogue p sure they would have put together who was responsible for those murders
Indy took some punches from some big dudes in the original films. Yet, this tiny women knocks him out with one punch..
Also, you don't stay knocked out for hours, just to get him back in his home. Lazy writing.
@@PoopaChallupa not just hours but like a whole day. Remember they would have gone back to 1969 Sicily and still had to travel to New York.
I wholeheartedly agree with having Short Round in Indy's last adventure. If Indy is the grumpy old adventurer who lost his sense of adventuring, Short Round would be the one who will bring that sensation back to old Indy. No time for love Indy! What a missed opportunity sigh. Just like we will never see Luke, Leia and Han together in one scene.
Nah. We had enough legacy characters in this movie. Helen was a fun new addition
I can't believe they didn't get Ke Huy Quan to be a part of this!🤦🏻
Short Round is male. That's a no no. Everything needs female energy. Men bad. Women good. - Disney -
@@endless_limeshahahahahahaha no
"Hey you call him Dr Jones doll!"
The “deconstruction of the beloved hero” could be interesting once or twice if it was actually good and not a cynical attempt to destroy a beloved character
"Logan" kinda did it well enough, and even then, it's not everyone's cup of tea. We all know about our own mortality, few of us need to pay a movie ticket to be reminded of it.
@@TheNefastor yeah for sure. Definitely a once or twice kinda thing. Shouldn’t be the norm that it currently is
He saved the day though. By finding the artifact for the Nazi to use.
@@TheNefastorWell Logan had the benefit of being inspired by a else world story.
@@Lepidopterous. you mean Indians Jones helped save the day? Obviously they’re going to shove that in the end. They’re not exactly gonna make him the villain. But the constant cheap shots, put downs, and, let’s say, uncharacteristic choices for the character are still way overdone to the point of many people saying it’s disrespectful
Well…Spielberg also directed Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, so that could be another reason why it feels more like Indy. Even though crystal skull wasn’t very good, Spielberg is still a cinema wizard and every shot has intention.
First half of it , was good.
@@salomaonplanetsaturni like the wedding too
@@MajorJack92 it was sweet and most important -fully deserved (for audience)
It was all Lucas fault.
didn't feel like Indy.
This would have been a much better ending:
Phoebe Waller Bridge fails to convince Indy, she understands why he has to stay. They cry and embrace. She walks away.
Now Archimedes walks up to Indy, then give him some psychobabble about how Indy should go back to the future.
Indy then realizes Archimedes is right and calls out to Phoebe who turns back, smiles at him and we have a whole sequence
of how they go back to the future with Archimedes waving goodbye to them.
So much better than Phoebe just socking him in the face and calling it a day.
Either way, it needed to be HIS decision. If he stayed, great, then he chose to stay in the past and observe firsthand the history that he spent his life studying. If he went back, great, then he chose Marion and a chance at redeeming his relationships with the people closest to him.
But to take away his agency in his final film and just force him to come back despite him begging her to leave him… it’s honestly offensive and I hate it.
The fact that Jeremy has to take a drink before anything tells me everything about this movie 💀
He didn't even pretend it was apple juice this time.
George Lucas should have put in the contract deal he made, if they miss use characters or IPs then he can get them back. SOMETHING!?
Yes, Ke Huy Quan would’ve been somebody to get for the final chapter. John Williams score was phenomenal for dial of destiny. The ending did not bother me
The fact they didn't make a movie where Mutt and Short Round have to team up to save Indy in the same way Indy saved his father in Crusade should be criminal.
But then everyone would complain that Indy was relegated to a damsel in distress instead of the hero of the story. I do agree Short Round should have been in it instead of Fleabag
I think this is a great idea. Ya maybe Indy is then relegated to being somewhat of a 2nd character… but seeing Mutt & Short Round both competing for Indy’s approval as his sort of “son” who came before & Indy’s actual son… as they battle baddies to rescue him would have such cool character dynamics.
@@kingdomofkyru I believe you would also run into a problem with audiences automatically siding with Short Round over Mutt, given the fact that Short Round was a fan favorite and Mutt was widely disliked
@@Dominic-Decoco God forbid they have to put some effort into the script.
Never would have happened unless you recast Shia, plus people would then complain barely seeing the titular character for the first part of the film
Funny how Maverick got it right. You don't need to make a legacy character an old wash up .
What an absolute missed opportunity with an adult Short Round. I think a lot of people, myself included would have stood up and cheered if Indy, in some profound gesture, passed the torch to Short Round as he donned the fedora at the end of an Indiana's last adventure.
I remember watching “Temple of Doom” and during that scene where Short Round escapes to save and at that point where he catches the rope on the ceiling as the wooden ladder falls, I thought to myself, “How would I not want to see him in a spin-off?”
nobody remembered that actor until six month ago...
@@CASSIE_COLE honestly Id hate to seen Indy go out this way. Its basically impossible at this point but I want a short film or a TV special with Shortround meeting up with Indy one last time. Hell I so much dont want it to end this way I would be fine with one last film done right. Maybe actually have Indy find the Spear of Longinus that was set up in this one.
Omg that ending would have been amazing
Indy doesn't give the fedora; that's just not the right idea. He's Indiana Jones, if Short Round got it he wouldn't become Indy. It'd be rise of skywalker all over again.
Even though they said his son wouldn't be in this movie. I was hoping for a suprise cameo at the end with him going back in time to keep him from enlisting.
I believe that's what happened but it wasn't made clear.
@zeustheguitarlord5473Same
YES! One last talk and maybe… Mutt understands there should be a different way and becomes New Adv Indy!
The fact they didn't do what was predictable and expected, is progress, and a good thing.
Plus, Shia was upset there was no future project of him being a young Indy and told off Spielberg director skills. End his off screen character
Indy could have left a message in the past for Abner Ravenwood, Marion Ravenwood or even his younger self to discover being archeologists as Warning from the past to stop Mutt going to war and dying
Naw they obviously wanted to kill him for good it is literally their thing. They kill your heros and everything they love. That's how they get at you.
Bunch of lazy writers
Yeah he totally had the time and opportunity
And give himself the correct location of Tanis inside the Peruvian temple from Raiders?
That’s a very good comparison, for as much as the 4th gets shit on, it has the damn decency to give the character the happy send off he deserved, even if I prefer the ride into the sunset
It's impressive how efficiently Disney has killed their IPs
Seriously, killing two separate billion dollar franchises in less than a decade is wild
Except Marvel
@@blackdragon6 That's dying too, just slower.
Almost like it was on purpose
@@imanoldurango8213to be fair no Indiana Jones movie has made a billion :)
Short Round was the obvious choice for Indy's partner in this movie. The fact that they offscreen kill his son without even seriously considering recasting and gave no thought to a character people would've wanted to see, rather than going for Fleabag to satisfy Kathleen, is really telling. Lucasfilm needs new leadership.
@@chazharrisStop shilling for who is objectively the worst CEO of a film studio we have ever seen in the history of Hollywood. She is GARBAGE. If you cannot see her so blatant political agendas which have infected all of her products then you’re part of the problem.
@@chazharrisit was definitely Kathleen
@@chazharris It was definitely Kathleen "The Force is Female" Kennedy
@@chazharrisShe has added nothing good to franchise. She messed up Solo by getting involved too much causing the directors to leave. She would better off if she didn’t get involved in the stories
I feel sorry for incels. I can't imagine being unable to enjoy anything.
I thought it would have been amazing to see Indiana Jones retired from adventures until he receives a coded message from a long-lost friend in danger. Ultimately, this friend, Short Round, followed in the footsteps of his only father figure, seeking lost relics. Marion urges Jones not to go, but he must go to save his faithful friend. The plot could have explored how the two disconnected, Wu Han's character background, and the events after the Temple of Doom. In the final chapter, Indiana plays a similar role as Henry Jones Sr. to Short Round. Once the treasure is found, Indiana urges Short Round to "let it go" and reminds him that life truly is not all about "fortune and glory, kid." I was happy to see the new film nevertheless. Harrison Ford is awesome.
That would’ve been a much better film especially with Mutt being killed off. Like Indy needs to go save Shortround because he doesn’t want to lose another son.
This would’ve worked very well and could’ve added a new enemy like the Chinese communist. Short round would’ve definitely at some point had to evade and escape them
Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm prefers a “strong female protagonist” to anything what fans actually want…
It's amazing how many random mfs across the internet can come up with more compelling storylines compared to what a multi-million dollar "professional" movie studio has been doing to the most iconic titles.
PWB's character knew the villains were killing ppl, and still locked the door on Indy so he's stuck in the room with them. So basically she left him (her godfather) to his death. She feels no remorse or guilt whatsoever, doesnt even apologise. From that moment forward I hated her character and absolutely despised every scene she was in. Also in the ending she punches Indy, at his old age it could've killed him. He was also shot and bleeding so don't know how he survived that. They literally didn't show all the important bits with regard to how Indy survived and how they got back to their present, they flash forward and he just wakes up in his bed and that's it..
Also in the 3rd act the little kid was able to fly a plane, so fkn stupid. This movie should’ve been called the Dump of Destiny.
thats sounds very feminist
She was a terrible person that only wanted the Dial to sell it. And she was so arrogant and a know it all.
That's a modern strong female character for you brother.
@@Mega10026 No, that's what the idiots at Disney think.
You guys cry about the funniest shit
I thought Sha laboooof was great, just misused ( sword fights and vine swinging was dumb ). His character actually had the most room to grow and change though. A later pairing of "Mud and Short Round" as the side characters could really work off each other. Mud is tough, gruff and dumb / Short Round takes after Indiana but he's more skidish and risk averse. The two of them make up an "Indiana". In fact - a "Mud & Short Round" movie might've been kinda amazing.
I don’t think as a movie it would have been greenlit but that duo would have revitalised IJ5 instead of what we got
Mutt not mud
@@skinfluteylol my bad thnx
Mutt and short round have to save Indy. I’d watch that. Hell throw in that CIA agent lady to quell the PC crowd and buddy you’ve got yourself a movie
I have the exact complaint with Helena punching Indy. I really dislike the ending because it wasn't his choice to back to the present. Unlike the Last Crusade where Indy tries to reach for the Grail but his Father convivences him not to, which eventually made his own choice without anyone forcing him.
I completely agree. The ending of Dial of Destiny needs a complete rewrite where Indy has a choice of coming back to the present day, not a violent punch in the face on an old guy by a physically fit 35-year-old person, let alone a lady.
I feel like Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull is about to gain a lot more defenders after this movie
It'll be another Star Wars prequel situation
Nah films still shit
I liked it before it was cool lol, had a great wrap up to Indy's character
@@tsvetomirsheev3882same here, i actually enjoyed that movie.
It’s not great, but it was never that awful or bad in the first place.
Let’s be honest, the real reason it got so much hate is because kids who grew up with the original trilogy became cynical adults who were disappointed that Crystal Skull didn’t make them feel like kids again.
Not saying Crystal Skull doesn’t have its issues, but they were greatly and grossly exaggerated by people who wanted another Indiana Jones and didn’t realize he’s 60 years now and made them realize they’re in their 30s-40s.
"If you haven't seen Dial of Destiny yet". Hahahaha. No chance of that happening. I have standards.
"Disneyana jones and the dial of destiny"
Standards of acting like an entitled jerk, I see.
John Williams did say they did reshoots for the ending. I think the rumors where that they would time travel back to when Indy was young, and he was going to die, killing off old Indy as well. Helena was then going to replace Indy throughout history, to sort things out. Kathleen wanted that ending (I believe it) but it didn't do well in test screenings and they reshot stuff and rearranged the movie. That would honestly explain the shoddy work on young Indy's face, they just didn't have that much time to do it.
Yikes, that would've been even more disastrous.
@SP8inc If they went that route, it would have been a giant slap in the face to all the fans of this franchise.
That and apparently one of the demands to be met if they were to make another Indiana Jones film was to not kill off Indy, otherwise Spielberg would’ve sued.
It explains that lazy ass ending. She punches him and he gets knocked out for hours?! So damn lazy.
I'm pretty sure Spielberg and Lucas let them make this movie JUST so people would say, "You know, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull wasn't that bad"
And yet I still say Crystal Skull... yeah, it really was that bad.
@@dan_hitchman007 Ikr? The same thing happened with Lucas' prequels after the sequel trilogy came out.
Lol. It worked with the Star Wars Prequels!
CS was a flawed passion product made by people who still loved the characters.
DOD was a product that tried and failed to use member berries and tore down a iconic character to make way for a strong female character.
i'd take swordfighting and swinging with monkeys over that crap that came out this week.
Most people so far seem to prefer DOD to CS, except for the Jeremy Jahns comment section apparently.
It seems like they were trying to recreate the interactions with Indy and Marion with Indy and his Godaughter. Marion and Indy were antagonistic for much of the first film. One big problem though... enemies to lovers is well establish and works because of sexual tension. These two have no sexual tension, nor should they, so it just feels like two enemies staying together for no reason.
That is a weird take and I don't think Mangold was trying to create any sexual tension between these two characters.
He didn’t say that was the take they were going for, it’s pretty obvious he was saying it works best for that dynamic rather than 2 antagonists the entire time.
@@yeah_yeahwhatever I don't think he was trying to create sexual tension, and as I stated, they SHOULDN'T have sexual tension. It's just 2 people being mad/annoying with no positives to either them or the audience. Nether they nor the audience have any reason to root for them to work together. Sometimes scripts use sexual tension to do that, but since that doesn't fit this script, and they didn't replace it with something else, they have NO reason to work together.
I noticed that about the "de-aging" segment: they didn't de-age his voice. Disney HAS the technology to do exactly that, they used it perfectly in the de-aged Luke Skywalker segments in The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett.
They can do it, but it usually doesn't "act" as well as the original. Even if he sounded older, having something "human" about deep fake Indy was probably a really good call
Should have had Shia in this movie, everyone loves a comeback story and he’s a great actor and could have pulled it off , anyway that would require good writing and Hollywood is all out of good writers
I agree, but that was never going to happen unfortunately
Could have been hilarious if they took him off the Padre Pio stage and just wrote in that Mutt freaked out and became a Benedictine Monk lol
It absolutely could have worked. If anything it would have gave the film more positive buzz instead of what they got when the masses found out Intersectional Feminist Phoebe Waller Bridge had a big role to play in this mess.
I would’ve liked to see Mutt back, but they have to recast him. Didn’t Shia admit to multiple crimes a while back? Lol.
The appreciation for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull throughout the fanbase has begun. Saw this coming the moment announced this movie based on what happened to the sequel trilogy
Like the rising of appreciation of Twilight 😅
The only thing Disney has managed to do is make the Prequels and Crystal skull seem like good movies.
I didn't like Crystal Skull, but I did like having him and Marion getting married and I liked the idea of him having a son. But they managed to screw both of those up with the new movie.
This weird sort of retroactive praise is so infuriating. It's like why put any stock in something being bad if in 5-10 years people are gonna start hailing it as a "misunderstood masterpiece" just because something inferior comes out.
It's why I have massive respect for the people who DIDN'T turn around on the prequels, and still believes Star Wars is only a trilogy
Nope. It's still a crappy movie too.
That Ky Huy Quan edit was HILARIOUS.
I think both films prove that Indy is a character of the 40s and if you take him out of that era he loses what makes him special. It's a time and place that works. Even real people of the past. Their stories are of a certain time in their lives, not their whole lives.
disagree, he also works well in 217 bc
Really? Well, then I guess Indiana Jones wasn't in the 1930s after all hating and punching Nazis in the face!
The originals take place in the 30s
nah they could absolutley work outside of that time period. Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls adventure aspect worked well enough. It was just held back by shoddy CG. Temple of Doom has hardly anything tying it to the era specifically. There are even aspects of this movie that work. Its just held back by a poor choice of supporting cast.
@@ComicCrossing I think OP is talking about how modern film makers (not even audiences) HATE the men from that time...the strong men who did things like save the world from Nazi domination, built roads and cities, and designed rockets that would eventually take us to the moon, and to discover the planets in our solar system. Basically, they hate men who do men stuff, and only like weak men, who bow to the 4th generation intersectional feminist downfall of the West.
The rumored orignal ending was that Young Indy sacrificed himself to save the day, which in turn also killed Old Indy. So then Phoebe Waller's character took his place and there was montages of her taking his place in all his previous film adventures and becoming the "new Indiana Jones".
Rather get hemorrhoids then see this ending...
I'd rather look directly at the Ark of the Covenant than see that ending.
I'd rather give up pizza than watch that ending.
I'd love to know what they were smoking in the writer's room.
oh wow, actual self insertion, haven't seen something this dogshit yet
I can't be the only one who would have preferred the entire movie be that opening flashback scene, all in realistic CG or something...
I'm glad even Jeremy has gotten tired of this trend of ruining things by subverting beloved characters into the ground. This all really kicked off with Ghost Busters 2016 and that movie bombed hard. Fans will always reject this crap.
Dr. Jones was a tenured professor at a renowned University. It would’ve been so much better if he was still a professor and had a student come talk to him about some old wreck or treasure. Jones, who’s been behind a desk for too long says they should go find it. They go on the adventure, Indy gets one last journey and his student realizes that Dr. Jones not just some old dude, but a true adventurer. Why must everything be sad and depressing.
I don’t understand how anyone can think “oh, that’s a great plot!” It’s like Disney hammered a square peg into a round hole and not one person thought, “hey maybe there’s a better way to do this.”
Who would play the student?
They could meet short round on the way and he can show off the fighting skills he gained as Waymond.
In another life, I’d have liked seeing Ke Huy Quan reunite with Indiana Jones
At least we still have The Last Crusade and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull endings. Each to their own.
What if this whole movie was made just so people could appreciate KotCS more?
@@daustin8888Probably or Kathleen is trying to ruin another franchise
@@brucecrawford17_ I loved Prequels a lot and I still do, Kingdom of the crystal skull wasn't really bad but definietly my least favorite out of the 4 movies
Alcohol required at the beginning of the video said it all. Thanks man.
13:01 no it didn't. The biggest problem with Crystal Skull is the tone. It felt like a parody of Indiana Jones. It didn't take the character or the world seriously. The dialogue and acting felt like something out of the Adam West Batman show.
"If you're gonna kill his character, kill him in a car-wreck like a *decent* stupid script"
- Jeremy Jahns 2023
I truly believe what Kathleen Kennedy has done to Star Wars and Indiana Jones is petty revenge for some slight, real or imagined, visited upon her by Spielberg and Lucas that she's been stewing on for decades. There's literally no other logical explanation for the way she's utterly butchered these franchises.
I truly believe that no matter what she did, people would hated it regardless. People proved that with George with the prequels and Indy 4.
Either that or she's one of those hacks that failed upwards.
Shes a producer. She throws money at a problem. The issue isn't her, its the writers are incompetent.
That's not an unpopular assessment of Kennedy's motives. I suspect, though, that she thinks she's revolutionizing cinema. I bet she goes back to the office thinking (as the guy from MoneyBall put it) that the first one through the door is always gonna get bloody. On her watch, she's damaged a lot of franchises, but I don't believe she's in her basement rubbing her hands together and cackling about it.
@@TheJiminatorHS writers she hires for very specific reasons but none of those reasons are because they're good writers.
I am pretty sure the original ending had Indiana Jones stay in the past. And then it would be revealed that Indiana in fact was Archimedes. Which is why Archimedes' intelligence was so ahead of its time and why Indy's watch was in Archimedes' tomb.
And it would set up an interesting bootstrap paradox about who actually created the Antikythera device since the only reason "Archimedes" had it was because he found it in the future and brought it back to the past. And since it was left there it could be found in the future to be brought back to the past.
I originally thought Archimedes was wearing Indy's watch, but I'm pretty sure they revealed it was actually the Nazi's watch, because we see after the crash that Archimedes found his body and they specifically showed him looking at his watch.
@@B1gBoyPants yeah but with the of mention indy’s dads watch earlier it absolutely feels like a rewrite
@@j-jackquinn5540 At first I did think it was gonna be Indy in the coffin, which would have been a wild way to end the movie. Idk if I would have preferred that ending or not. On one hand, that would have been a really crazy way for Indy's story to end, and feels fitting for his character to be trapped in history. On the other hand, I like him getting a happy ending.
Thank you for a real, honest review. One of the few big UA-cam movie reviewers left who is no longer a shill (here's looking at you Struckman) and this is why people will trust you and you will continue to grow.
How is Stuckmann a shrill? Because he his reviews aren't a bitch fest about every movie?
What happened with struckman?
@@ryderproductions8456 He doesn't give negative reviews anymore because he's trying to make his own film and doesn't want to insult anyone in the industry
Yeah now he's producing his own movie so he's too scared to criticise meaning he is handing out positive reviews to trash like this to keep on the critics/Hollywood's good side. Can't really blame him but lost any confidence in his honesty so no longer respect his opinions as they're likely disingenuous.
Jeremy has written a more compelling version of the Indy 5 movie in a 17-minute-ish video 😆
You have a lot more integrity than most reviews. Your review of this and sound of freedom proved it leaving zero room for doubt.
I think this is one of your most poignant reviews I’ve seen. It made me feel sad for the state of movies in general….it’s hard to explain the feeling, but I just feel like we’ve lost touch with the form of storytelling that made cinema, literature, and art so impactful. Based on your review, it feels like the concept of the hero’s journey has been lost, and maybe even forsaken by these Hollywood writers. It’s a sad state of affairs atm.
I disagree with Jeremy A LOT on a lot of things. This movie definitely isnt one of them
We still do have excellent stories, but typically nowadays they're classics. It's like writers are trying to reinvent fire so to speak...
That's Hollywood and Hollywood alone. There's an unending ammount of art from other places that IS actually good. "Movies" aren't dying, Hollywood is
We can't call these people writers anymore, they're activists. There's no excuse for the trash they've been shoveling out. They have all the money and talent to put out quality and yet we don't get it.
I believe there are still good stories and art in the world to experience and share among us. A good example of this for me in cinema, Past Lives. I was stunned at how timeless, truthfully painful, and yet endearingly romantic that film approaches generational love between two people that truly connect but can never be, because of well, life and the choices/paths we take on it. That is a romantic gem that could be seen as a classic down the road. We are just seeing the literal death gasps of cynically made, bloated big budget films gasping for some creative life (with the few rare exceptions nowadays).
As far as I'm concerned? Indy and crew rode of into the sunset at the end of Last Crusade and lived happily ever after. Sadly they never made any movies after that, real shame and missed opportunity, but at least the series ended on a high note
I think the de aging looked the best that ive seen. the only thing that stood out was something about the eyes, they seemed super still during the close ups
I personally thought the de aging was horrible lol. Glad I’m the only knit picker. The voice didn’t seem to be de aged at all. It sounded like an 80 year old Harrison ford, not 40 year old. They should have used old audio to make him sound younger.
I thought the side of his face looked weird at times
When he ran along the top of the train like the train was standing still - not doing 60mph. Then later when the train looked to have sped up to 100mph+ (impossible for the time) and they're fighting on the train and Indy has his hat on like it stays on in hurricane force winds!! People not looking / glancing ahead to check for branches, tunnels and more. Just it all makes the CG worse by removing all suspension of disbelief! They can't have the train bump along at 50mph like an OLD train would be doing.
I’ll never get over the kid magically knew how to fly a plane at the most convenient time lmao
I liked the film but the kid just felt like they copied Shortround and the could’ve took him out with no impact on the story.
I mean they show him learning how to fly when the introduce him
You missed a scene. Before Indy walks into the room where Wombat is selling the dial, there's a pilot teaching the kid how to fly a plane. What's ridiculous is the guy in the back of the plane he stole doesn't wake up until mid flight.
@@joem4939 They don't want to lose money on the film. Rogue One was a duplicate of Star Wars.
Same as the one in Fast X
"Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
- JRR Tolkien
Kathleen Kennedy
Misquoted line is misquoted.
That's the South Park guy!
There are two things I've always needed from this channel: Jeremy to watch ATLA after his review of The Last Airbender and a second look at Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I'm a very happy man.
Let's just all pretend this movie never happened and Indiana Jones ended as a trilogy.
This never happened. There are only 3 Indiana Jones movies.
@@DubzKiller98 Why so salty? Were those two your favorite movies?
Yup. The same way the MCU ended with Endgame, with Wandavision as a nice annex
@@DubzKiller98 “growing up” would be respecting someone else’s opinion that a large majority of the fandom holds 😂 These are just more cash grabs
Last crusade ending sucks. Krystal skull gives us a great old Indy and he get's married to the girl who should've been in Crusade which is a brilliant ending as it distances Indy from being a playboy James Bond or Clint Eastwood type character to someone kids can look up too.
I decided I wasn't going to watch this movie based on Mutt's death and the subsequent divorce with Marion. It just made me more sad than excited.
After hearing this....im glad they did NOT include Short Round only to have him killed.
Yeah me too. Hearing about that killed all my interest in the film.
Sadly I'm probably gonna see it anyway. If only to see how bad it is...
Always love watching Jeremy's spoiler talks while i sit on the toilet 😂
If you are going to do a legacy sequel you need to do it like Top Gun Maverick. In that film, Maverick wasn't some broken, sad failure. He was still at the top of his game. In fact, he was better than ever. This film needs to be like that.
True... but Maverick wasn't 80 years old though.
@@darkwingdave79but you can have a dude living a good life at 80 get forced into another adventure.
@@TheJiminatorHSor have them act as a wise mentor, getting their pupils ready to carry on a legacy. But that'd require respecting the wise mentor archetype.
@@TheJiminatorHS True. Technically Harrison Ford could be Tom Cruise's father so of course you couldn't have an Indiana Jones in top form, but it was sad to see the state in which Indiana Jones is in and it's not his physical capability that is the problem, it's his mental state. He's miserable almost the whole movie. I HATE that they killed his son. No matter how happy the last scene is, we all know that a part of Indy and Marion died and they will never be completely happy again. At least if they had grand children to look forward to, but they don't even have that.
Kathleen Kennedy and Disney DOES NOT want to show successful men at the top of their game. They want to show them as broken, drunk, bad fathers, losers...etc
Getting "back together" with a woman who gave you divorce papers isn't a happy ending, it's just delaying the inevitable. Once you make the choice to give a man divorce papers, the love is over. This is a horrible ending.
I think you saved me $18... and $20 popcorn... thanks
The ending and the structure really does suggest that the original rumors were true: that fleabag took his place ok history as Indy dies in the oast
I’ve been watching The Making of Indiana Jones and it still amazes me how much time and effort went into everything, from the casting to the sets to the writing. Not to mention it was all done practically.
From the sounds of it, they just went “eh, we’ll CGI everything and throw in a bunch of call-backs.”
Well, this explains why they've wasted an extra $50-$100 million dollars on a dangerously high-risk sequel to Indiana Jones 4 by placing too much CGI all over the place. Good God, this movie would've been an easy 9/10 after the debacle that was The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but it ended up a 7.5/10 movie. Maybe 7/10.
14:09 fan fic my ass. At least it feels like the originals. Obviously its not better than them. But it felt more in line than Crystal Skull did.
Killing off Indy's only kid is unnecessary and unforgivable. So much love for that iconic character, and THAT'S how they send him off? He deserved better. WE deserved better
WHAT???? Everyone hated Mutt, I'm so confused
Mutt was fucking AWFUL, but yeah to just throw his character away was retarded
I thought everyone hated Mutt? 🤔
@@krustomer Nah... Mutt was alright.
He's far from the most egregious thing about KOTCS (a film I don't personally hate but don't care to rewatch either.)
apparently Mangold decides to kill Mutt because, he's an important guy in Indy's life and not having him in his new adventure would be weird, so he decides to kill him to not include in the movie
Yes, Short Round would have been awesome! Great to hear you discuss it.
I think it’s interesting that Dial of Destiny is out and some people are like “you know, maybe Crystal Skull actually isn’t that bad”. Reminds me of Star Wars, after episode 9 happened and people are now saying “you know, maybe the prequels actually aren’t that bad.” Now I wonder what else we’ll be saying that about in the future. Maybe the new Tron movie.
After sitting through TERMINATOR: DARK FATE, I thought, "Maybe Salvation wasn't that bad. The 3rd one's still ass and I missed Genisys in theaters."
I hate soft spots in movies, and I still think Crystal Skull is a bad movie.
You know it's bad when Jeremy busts out the drinks.
The Indiana Jones series ended for me with The Last Crusade. The rare third movie in a trilogy that's the best of the trilogy.
Logan, Thor3 and Ape3. 2017 was a good year for part 3... :-)
Crystal Skull was the ending for me. Indy goes on one last adventure, gets married to Marion, has a son, and enjoys his twilight years with his family. The end.
Crystal Skull had a good definitive ending though, why can't you die hard fan boy tards get that through your pea brains.
“Examine the body” is exactly how I feel about this Indiana jones movie
I would've payed for my $11 ticket just for that opening flashback scene. Up there as one of the best Indy scenes
Let's hear how Disney ruined another beloved character.
Disney ruined Star Wars and now Indiana Jones
Did Disney make crystal skull lol
Next time you hear someone say Wokeness is a good thing, remember its corrupting influence on all it touches.
@D4n1t0o ehhh it sounds like this is more of a poorly written and executed movie and less of the typical "woke" narrative.
@@Anthonycheesman2024Crystal Skull was a lot better than this, and it never ruined the character of Indy.
“Like a decent stupid script”
killed me 😂
The way Helena Shaw treat Indian Jones, Reminds me of the way Corey Cunningham treated Michael Myers in Halloween ends, The disrespect for these Legendary characters is unreal
James Mangold recently said in an interview they talked about having Short Round but apparently they were shooting the same time as Everything Everywhere
I won’t destroy my childhood and watch this movie so this video will be everything I need 😁
I always thought crystal skull was good and looked forward to the son taking up the whip for a knew generation, plus that ant scene will haunt me till my dying day
“Like they’re looking for the Langoliers or some shit.” Deep cut. 😂
Adding quality characters in later instalments totally works. Lethal Weapon 2-4 is a great example. Instead of ignoring short round and Mutt they could have embellished them and complemented the Indy crew. Indy may have been happier too
"Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" at least tries to look like an Indiana Jones movie and still gives us an active Indy. He didn't come across as old, even when watching it fifteen years ago.
Speaking of "nostalgia bait," there were a couple of aggravations. In the beginning, the Disney card was on screen, followed by the Paramount card, but then that was followed by the Lucasfilm logo instead of fading to something like a peak.
Next - the opening shot - was the close-up of a door's lock with the titles in the same typeface as the first, third, and fourth films. To match those earlier movies, either the Lucasfilm logo should have been before the Paramount one, as it was in the fourth, or just used the Lucasfilm Ltd. title within the credits like in the first and third films.
I also wondered why the Indiana Jones theme was just after the first travelogue map scene instead of during it.
please find a hobby. no one actually cares about the order of the company logos at the start of the film. They're only there because of contractual reasons.
My biggest issue with the movie is Helena for the reasons you mentioned. I loved the nostalgia bate at the end and I felt like it served the ending well. It felt enough like an indy ending, while also finally giving him his well deserved happy ending. They should have either A. Made Helena Marcus Brody's child because that has weight to it and we know and love Marcus. OR what everyone is saying is that it should have been Short Round not Helena. Also get rid of discount Short Round from this movie, as well as bring Sallah along on the adventure and either replace Antonio Banderes all together and just have it be Sallah, or make Antonio Banderas an old friend of Sallah and he helps them on the diving expedition. If he's Sallah's friend we don't have to have had history with the character. Other than that, Harrison for as a grumpy old man was great, I didn't care for the death of mutt and the divorce until the coarse of history was changed and Marion came in at the end. I wish it would have also changed mutts fate too and there was a mention of "how's the kid" atthe end and Marion mentioned that he's doing well with his family (as you mentioned). And of course Madds Mikkelsen is incredible. He may even be my new favorite Indy villain.
Yes, making Helena Brody's child would have made more sense except the actor who plays Brody, Denholm Elliott, is deceased so they'd have to totally AI is face.
I honestly think the fridge scene was both hilarious and amazing.
And that’s why you still don’t have your GED
I have my BA in Applied Leadership.
Goofy ahh scene.
Why couldn’t we have had Indy, Marion, Short Round and Sallah on an adventure together? You don’t need these new characters. Have these four great characters we know and love going after Voller and his guys. Would’ve been awesome.
I got out of the theater and realized a plot hole.
That wanted by the NYPD for murder thing. Besides being brought up by Indy a time or two, Is completely forgotten by the end of the movie when they get back to New York.
That might be evidence for the ending being changed honestly.
@@tomhur1 That would explain it.
No no, it's ok. They just explained to the cops that the real murderers were now dead in ancient Sicily and they dropped all charges against Indy... 😂
Yep it's never touched on again and the whole reason Indy is on the adventure.
Who is watching this review without watching the movie?
99 percent of us.
I'll never pay money to people who hates me and Indiana to watch that piece of de-moralization crap.
Agreed, Jeremy. Saw it the other day and it was "fun," but felt tired and trite. While it was great to see Harrison Ford reprise his role, I was generally disliking the Indie-Wombat relationship and was sitting there wondering why the two were set up THIS way. I also think there was an entirely different way this movie went after they found the tomb (and can only speculate that this was the reason Spielberg departed from the director's chair). At the end, I was most excited during that intense de-aged opening -- and then it was just a steady descent into mediocrity with nothing creative and an anti-climatic resolution. The Williams score was (per usual) magnificent and the Indie theme was great to hear -- too bad what was the on the screen felt like a poor imitation of a franchise mishandled on its final leg. Top Gun Maverick showed bringing back old franchises can be done right. Disney could have gone so many different (and much better) directions here -- frankly, that's the most disappointing part -- seeing the possibilities onscreen and none of them materializing.
BTW, very much enjoy your videos/takes. The best movie reviews on the Net.
Don’t forget the ant scene from crystal skull was wild to me as a kid.
I haven't seen this yet, but I have a feeling I'm going to agree with most if not all of what you said here.
I really, really hate this new trope they have going where they bring back iconic couples and characters just to ruin their happy endings and either kill them or just put them back together, which makes the breakup completely pointless.
And they absolutely could have recast Mutt. There are plenty of 30-40 something actors that could have taken the role. (I always liked Crystal Skull. And after the ark, the cult that ripped out hearts and controlled people and the holy grail, I don't know why aliens was so controversial.)
Because people hated Lucas and the prequels and the stuff in Crystal Skull was just a step too far for folks.
@DuelaDent52 Right. Because unless you're talking about God or Christ, beings living anywhere but Earth is insane. It's pretty damn arrogant to think you have all the answers when so much of the universe hasn't been explored.
Phoebe Waller Bridge killed Mutt off because they didn’t want any male centric spinoffs.
While I think going back in time was dumb as fuck, I do like the idea of Indy becoming part of history, so there’s some drawing of him on an Ancient Greek relic or some shit at the end. That would’ve been a lovely ending, the music swelling on a final image of Ford, cast into bronze, set in eternity. That’s my ending.
Uh... Harrison Ford was cast in Carbonite. The entire galaxy knows that!
@@robertfleischmann4119 should’ve died then too!
There should have been a scene with Indy wondering what that stick figure with a chainsaw and boomstick represents.
@@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301 Now that's a multiverse crossover I actually want to see.
This to me felt like the "No Time to Die" of Indiana Jones movies.
Similar types of situations too:
- Main Actor's last hurrah as Hero
- Questionable decisions made by character not previously made before
- Wild Third Act with decisions that either make the movie or break it for you.
I still enjoyed Indy much like I enjoyed seeing Daniel Craig's Bond one last time, but it could have been so much better.
And guess which person killed both iconic characters... 🤔
At least James Bond will be back as another actor.
Besides that young Indy Tv show, no one but Harrison Ford can play Indiana Jones.
At least Bond was competent through the entire movie and dies like a badass hero saving the world. Indy gets zero agency and gets knocked out and dragged back to the present against his will like a child.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best word I can use to describe Dial of Destiny is "underwhelming". The beginning was definitely the best part, but I felt very bored through most of the second act, and the third act took a major nose dive. People give Crystal Skull flak for including "aliens", but I felt the time travel in this one was even more ridiculous. And yes, I also think Crystal Skull was better as it at least had fun action scenes and felt like a classic Indy adventure. Spielberg's direction helped as well. I give James Mangold credit for trying, but he's just not Spielberg.
The ending represents Indy waking up to good things in his life rather than to depression (opposite from the character’s arc beginning of the movie).
Saw "Dial of Destiny" yesterday, and after sleeping one night over it, I think I gotta talk about it, because I'm actually kinda bothered. Not gonna spoil anything that happens in the movie. HOWEVER, I'm gonna talk about what DOESN'T happen in it, so consider yourself warned. Don't read on, if you haven't seen the movie yet... or do read on, if you don't give a shit, I don't care...
This was a bittersweet experience overall. The single best thing about "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" is seeing Harrison Ford going at it in his full Indiana Jones attire one last time on the big screen, which was kinda glorious. I've got no problem with him being old af, I do find that rather charming. Ford's 80, Indy's probably about 70 in his movie world, so what? I found the de-aging in the beginning also quite well done, not 100% perfect, but believable enough. So, that's good, too.
Not so good: Phoebe Waller-Bridge is an oddly unlikeable actress, who doubles down and plays an extremely unlikeable character here... and she didn't work for me at all. Also, her chemestry with Ford is the worst of all the sidekicks in the entire Indiana Jones franchise, the best being Sean Connery as his dad, of course.
I can't for the life of me understand how people can watch this movie and say it is better than "Crystal Skull". It's not. The last 20 minutes or so are horrifyingly, catastrophically bad. They come across as godawful fanfiction. Nothing in "Crystal Skull" even comes close to what happens at the end of "Dial". To me - being not entirely an idiot - it's absolutely clear, what should have happened in the third act here: Indy goes back in time and follows Voller to the train from the beginning, where Voller convinces his younger self to kill Hitler. So Indy has to team up with his younger self to fight both young and old Mads Mikkelsen. They dispatch of him - preferably in a cooler way than what actually happens - and then both Indys share a nice moment together, the old one tells young Jones to make sure his son doesn't enlist and goes to fight in Vietnam, and then returns to his present. There, Waller-Bridge takes possession of the dial, but instead of trying to sell it, she imediately destroys it, giving here something like a nice character arc or some shit. Indy goes to his appartment, where Mutt's still alive now, his marriage is well, everything's fine, yaddayaddayadda. He shares a heartfelt moment with his son, maybe mirroring the nice scene at the cliff from "Last Crusade" with Connery. Then Mutt meets Helena, sparks fly and they both go on future adventures together (after you've recast Waller-Bridge with a more likeable actress) and you can keep the franchise alive with spin offs for another 30 years. Voila.
This isn't rocket science, this shit basically writes itself. I don't even want to know how many negative test screenings and panicky reshoots were necessary, until they ended up storywise, where they finally did... it boggles the mind...
Easily the worst Indiana Jones movie of them all for me.
I agree, the plot was horrible and so was PWB. I despised her during the whole film. Movie is supposed to be about Indiana Jones, not her
That little ‘Disneyana Jones…’ at the end was brutal
Tbh I didn’t really hate Shia as Mutt, cuz I was like 10 when Skull came out and I was still on the Shia train after Transformers.
He’s problematic to work with, but his character was infinitely more likable than PWB’s character here. Either him coming back or a recast would have worked better.