The Cybertruck Can Still Rust!
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2024
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the Cybertruck and reports that they have been getting rust spots.
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It’s almost as if the automotive industry already went through this and created really robust paint that is highly heat, UV, water, and bird poop resistant to solve it
Yeah, Tesla is still learning stuff that the other automakers learned back in the 1930s.
The fanboys tend to think that the other auto manufacturers haven't bothered to do any testing and research and development over the last 100 years and the Tesla is going to solve all of their problems. NOPE. They have been reasonably popular for over a decade now, and the problems are still very abundant. And people are borrowing money to buy a ~$20,000 Tesla, and having battery failures and needing $20,000 battery replacements. So, the cars are getting vandalized for the insurance money to get out of it.
other cars from the 80s usually don't look better than DeLoreans without a new paint job
People have been saying this since Tesla started, and now industry trying to copy. Stainless Steel solves the worst part of modern trucks, scratches, damage easily.
@@Abebe345I would love to have a stainless bodied vehicle. But it doesn't solve the issues of cost and the cyber truck isn't going to have a battery to power it after it dies and costs $30,000+ to replace. Even model S's are getting vandalized so that people can get out of the loans they have on them because they have a $20,000 car that needs a $20,000 battery job.
@@paulstandaert5709 current Teslas with old batteries retain 80-90% of their capacity. In ten years, battery prices should be much lower if you wanted to upgrade, but you shouldn't have to imo. True very expensive, but look at all full size pickups. Range is an issue not appropriate for people who long haul.
Each cybertruck will have their own rust design
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
screenshot them now xd
LOOOOOOOL
It's a patina
He's a stable genius 😂 Wait to see the disaster coming from his Starship. Everything Musk do is garbage, his only accomplishments were from others inventions and ideas, like when he sued to be listed as tesla founder, a company he bought years after its start. Tesla should be sued: didn't they test this thing? The problem is not about cleaning, CT will horrendously rust from inside, where you cannot reach to clean, and where their wrap isn't applied either. The only solution for this is a clearcoat bath, before assembly.
A wrap will not prevent rust. The horror stories once it comes off will be epic!
LOL I was thinking the same..its really gonna speed up that rust!
I think a wrap could possibly cause more rust, moisture making it's way inbetween, especially the edges would be bad
I've seen the clear wrap used on the bare metal of Rolls Royce bonnets. They would be a great option. It's extra thick but you can't even tell its on the car. Absolutely no peeling either, I don't see mostue being able to get under it.
@@charmio with Tesla instructing Cybertruck owners to immediately wash off bird droppings, salt, etc. one has to wonder about possible staining by a wrap as the glue breaks down over time. Also, the edges are susceptible to corrosion.
@@SemiDad It wraps around the edges on the Rolls Royce. It's really quite impressive, it bends 90° (with a bend radius of 1-2mm) and only has about 2mm of wrap after the bend sticking it down. Yet even after years there's no sign of it peeling on the edges. It comes off easily with a bit of heat and doesn't leave a mark. Fantastic stuff, I think 3M makes it.
DeLorean started with 304 stainless then switched to 316 stainless with added molybdenum to increase corrosion resistance. Cyber truck uses 301 with reduced chromium and nickel designed to increase toughness. It would therefore be more likely to rust than either delorean.
Came here to say exactly this.
As a boat owner I had been thinking that they were using the wrong alloy. You'd think they would have looked at the most famous stainless steel production car for inspiration. I have 304 and 316 stainless parts all over my boat and even then I have to periodically wipe them down with a light oil like WD-40 to keep the rust at bay.
@@beaglemanzzz I can tell you that in the pulp and paper industry, in high corrosion processes and environments, we would use 317L stainless steel. Very very expensive but it would hold up without corrosion.
Well said!
Wow now i understand why it rust so easily.
We have a new fanboi line - No longer “it won’t stain”, now “once it’s stained, it will look awesome”
Indeed. You are seeing it already
"You don't get it, dude. It's like a tye dye shirt just on wheels, bro!"
😂😂
Please tell me this isn't catching on in any way
If you have ever worked in a restaurant kitchen loaded with stainless steel equipment
you know SS "rusts" is stains and pits, and the more you try to clean it, the worse the SS looks
swirl marks will easily form
also, look for a patina to form based on different rolls of SS - no two are the same and the doors and top will age differently
You wanted an ugly Mad Max truck that looks like it made it through the apocalypse
you got it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I work in a pharmaceutical plant, and there are processes done to remove this from inside the tankage and piping.
Hey, maybe I just came up with a new niche service! "Get your Cybertruck derouged and passivated today! Only $499.99"
You could avoid that by removing the rust chemically instead of scrubbing.
You'll find rust removers at any hardware store.
@@charmio@charmio, and they changed the patina of the SS - maybe The Barkeeper's Friend cleaner for stainless steel might help - I use it on our SS kitchen appliances.
But I'd bet in a year, the doors will all age differently, and it will be noticeable.
@@charmio Car wash by rust removal😂😂😂
When you "know more about manufacturing than anyone on earth" everyone else shuts the hell up until they burst into laughter.
Elon is dumb in most areas, except he’s a genius at selling people junk.
Someone can know more than any other one without knowing everything, or knowing more than everyone else combined. Which single person would you say knows more than Musk. Name them.
@@jackwickman2403Musk saying he knows more about manufacturing than anyone else alive opens him up to criticism when things don't work
@@jackwickman2403it doesn’t matter if he knows more than a single person. He knows less than the big car manufacturers know as a whole because Tesla is so new. Tesla QC woes exist for a reason.
@@jackwickman2403 simping for musk is so absurd :D
It’s actually pretty difficult to wrap correctly. Getting the vinyl to stick around the edges takes a lot of work since the edges are so slim and sharp.
Paint
@@rp9674 But he was talking about the ease of wrapping it
@@nahboh1897rite, if it's hard to wrap, paint is another option
and you'd have to wrap everything that is exposed in any way since the rust will get under the wrap right?
Since peeps have $$$$$ to buy ct + wrap, anodized it
The salt will destroy the truck.
Thank god it’s not LA where these Elon worshippers are flocking to get this refrigerator on wheels
Rivian is using this as a selling point for their truck, which is immensely better.
In NYC that trust would probably show rust and dents the first day lol
why does everyone act as if this is the first stainless steal car to have ever been made?
@@TheUnknown-mg8fv Nope, the cybertruck would be the most resistant in the concrete jungle.
imagine spending 100K on a car and having to wrap it for it not to rust.
Marques.... White trucks are some of the easiest to keep clean. Silver and champagne are better - but of generic colors, white is up there. It's one of the reason why fleet vehicles are often white, to hide dirt.
Black is the colour you want to avoid. A white truck driving for thousands of kilometers on dirt will look cleaner than a black truck driven a dozen kilometers on dirt
So true, my white truck always looks clean from 20 feet away
Best option is grey. It's a nice middle ground dirt-wise, almost nothing shows on it until it's really, really dirty.
I always thought they were white because it’s easier to colour match paint if the car ever gets damaged, but I was told this so have no idea if there was any truth to it.
In college I lived in Rochester, I drove 76 Monte Carlo with mismatch doors and looked like something out of Mad Max the movie that had less rust than the cybertruck, i miss that car!
So let me get this straight… a 1980s car that was a in famous movie can resist rusting. But a more advanced electric truck can’t..? ok.
DeLorean didn't skimp on quality when it came to the alloy used, Musk did though.
@fortissears5388 didn't they claim its the issue of bending it?
@@fortissears5388 exactly
I have no idea what type of stainless steel they used on that metal bucket, but we've used structural stainless steel in constructing outdoor fabrications (garage gates, fences, animal pens, play installations). in a tropical environment, and we've not experienced any rusting for 10 years. Only the concrete the owners used to bury the foundations, but even after we pulled them out, there were no significant signs of degradation.
The cheap kind.
someone said if magnet sticks CT, it's low quality, and yes ny CT takes magnet very well.. sadly
Very disappointing, bro's gigarich and decided, " Imma cheap out on the quality of my $90,000 vehicle " kinda typical coming from tesla , quality Control is absolute dog over there.💀
@@nerfgodbigguy1405 I'm Pretty sure Musky boy said "I want the kitch en sink too!" But everyone at Telsa was like "Who would buy a million USD truck?!?!"
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough i don't understand?
Waiting for Barkeepers Friend to come out a Cybertruck version.
😂😂
Yes, stainless steel can rust. In stainless steel there is an oxidation layer with chrome that protects iron from rusting but if you drive around and you get carbon steel or copper particles stuck to the stainless steel plates then you might see galvanic corrosion in those spots
The amount of Chromium determines how much stainless it is, the more the better. To better stainless it, it needs to be passivated. Let that chromium layer form chromium oxide. Don't use things to coat it or the chromium oxide layer will not form. Don't use things that can eat up the chromium oxide or it can and will rust. Also don't use anything to abrade away the chromium oxide layer. Chlorides will eat away the chromium oxide layer, ie salt, chlorine. Use citric acid to passivate SS, do this once a year unless you in a salty environment then more often.
The old unmarked Sheffield made stainless cutlery in my drawer, which goes in the dishwasher like anything else, has in its time seen a lot of this modern "stainless" steel come and go.
@@michaeld5888 Does it say what type of stainless it is? 440? Is it magnetic?
Are you saying Cybertruck drivers better buy tons of lemons and oranges?
Or, and this might seem insane, just dont buy the p.o.s.
Bro you have an elementary understanding of metallurgy. Most of what you said is wrong. First off, the chrome oxide is quite tenacious and reforms completely after 30min. And coating would theoretically would just be applying on top of the oxide. When it scratches and gets exposed to air, the oxide forms again.
"Yeah, I crashed a Rivian right around the time you arrived!"
Fun fact: in French and Romanian (probably other languages too), stainless steel is translated literally as inoxydable steel, literally cannot oxidise/rust
Same in Spanish
Acero inoxidable
*Omg, i can't believe metal debris can rust. i am bamboozled. I'd even say that im flaggerbasted*
🤓☝️
It's worse, tho. No one should buy it in Sweden. We yearly salt the roads for.....ice... so that is flat-out a deal breaker, the same way we don't buy Italian cars.
@@wall57805indeed the truck is dogsh*t but i was making fun of the facts thats its kinda logic
🚨sarcasm alert🚨
Stain”less” steel, like normal steel but it corrodes “less”…. My goodness some woke tiktokers are dumb, anyone surprised steel rusts should be sent back to first grade.
There are all types of stainless. The steel being used on the truck isn’t the most rust resistant. It was used for stiffness, not rust resistance. Another problem that’s well known is that having steel in contact with stainless will cause the stainless to rust. Stainless doesn’t rust because of a microscopic layer of chrome on the surface of the stainless. When it’s in contact with steel, that layer pulled off and the stainless rusts. But it takes some time with 300 series alloys. Whatever they’re using here is less resistant. I bet the winter road salt will cause oroblems.
What makes this funny is the fact that the extra stiffness clearly makes the vehicle more dangerous too. Watching the crash test you can see how fast the dummies head comes to a stop compared to other trucks. So they traded off the benefits of normal stainless steel for something that just makes the car even worse. I feel sorry for the rubes who bought this garbage.
WRONG!
Pretty much all stainless has the same modulus. The reason they picked it is due to formability and uniform elongation.
It’s a custom spacex alloy.
@@rocketkinger2506 no, that’s not true. Different stainless alloys have different strengths and hardnesses, different workability, etc.
@@melgross what’s not true lol
That all 300 series stainless has the same modulus? Because they do. Now if you’re talking cold rolled that’s a different question.i am speaking about the annealed condition.
@@rocketkinger2506 it's not a custom spacex alloy, that's just Musk's bull on display. It's a traditional alloy, simply because SS is a known, mature field.
And funnily, after a year, my Bolt euv still looks like new, even driving through a Canadian winter.
The much hated much loved practical Boltz
The one and only most electric car that starts electric fires 💀
@@Ye-tf9im -- 20 out of 140,000 Bolts -- 0.00041% of them -- burned due to faulty LG Chem batteries, and the newer N2.2 and N2.2a batteries have no problems or recalls.
Honestly I think the first thing I would do if I bought one would be to have it painted. Either matte black or matte white. It would look amazing in those colours and would be protected from the rust
Too subtle, fluorescent yellow
@@rp9674Only the nose and some writing, make it look like a highlighter
What about the inside plane of the panels? How would you paint that?
@sharjinalaviantik9688 powder coat, the electrostatic charge would attract the coating, might have to drill access holes. Or disassemble & crome plate the body.
We had this problem fabricating stainless sheet parts when brushed with bronze or steel wire disks as the particles left by the brushes react with the SS and make it rust.
A final polished or acid bath was needed to avoid this.
To be more accurate, it's not the SS rusting. It's the particles from the brushes that become embedded in the SS that rusts. A wipe with Bar Keepers soap will make it easily come off
@@thesadboxman Stainless steel will rust. It's an alloy that contains iron. It also contains chrome which when it converts to chromium oxide coats the metal in a corrosion proof coating. If you work on the metal and damage this surface coating, then the exposed iron will rust. It won't rust any more than skin deep because it will just consume what little iron was exposed while rusting. Therefore any time you do work on the metal you have to wash it with acid to replace the surface. It burns off all of the exposed iron leaving behind the non-reactant chromium oxide making the metal look brand new.
You can take a piece of stainless that's been burned or left in the mud for decades and just wash it with acid and it will look brand new.
All steel can rust. Some of it requires less care, but all can rust
@@ltlbuddha Which is why stainless steel forms a chromium oxide coating. It's sort of like chrome plating your parts, but from the inside out because the chrome is literally melted into the steel.
@@tripplefives1402 Excellent comment.
All Elon had to do was ask ppl in the construction field. We would've told him to paint it
"All Elon had to do was ask"
The problem starts here.
At this point, he knows more about manufacturing than anyone alive on earth. Replace manufacturing with lying.
Can be removed using barkeepers friend. Somehow delorean has done fine.
i dont think he went into it thinking that it wasnt going to rust for literally ever
@@shou635 Delorean used a different type of stainless steel
Black wrapped Cybertrucks will just look like Bat Tumblers.
That'll be awesome.
the cyclist bone cruncher
No, they will look like the bat tumbler if it was drawn by a 5yr old.
I work at a five star hotel in the USA. The early 90’s manual RHD Defender truck that came through the valet last year was more memorable than any supercar that came in. The driver even stalled it several times in the garage.
I'm still amazed the pedestrian deathtrap that is the Cybertruck is legal
The law is written by billionaires.
It's an occupant death trap, too. Still no NHTSA or IIHS crash rating.
As an European I often are annoyed by how overregulated everything is over here. In case of the Cybertruck though, I'm actually happy that this will probably never hit our streets.
If the Cybertruck is bad, which car or truck would you say is good for pedestrian safety? You may find that USA and European automobile safety regulations like the smoothly rounded "grill" to hood transition. The sloping hood and windshield allow the pedestrian to slide over the top instead of being pushed forward. Would you rather be hit by a Ram?
@@armandovalmont9762as an european, i like regulation. Without regulation we are just dressed animals
My DeLorean owning friends would like to have a word ….
That's what happens when you try to use stainless steel with no cocaine
The DeLorean was made with 304 stainless steel and the Cybertruck is made with 301 stainless steel which has less chromium in it which makes it more susceptible to corrosion.
We also don't know how Teslas hardening process has affected the steel.
DeLorean went bankrupt though
I was thinking the same thing. @@eddyk3
DeLorean was entrapped, they took advantage of his desperation. Musk, not yet.
Stainless steel, also known as inox, corrosion-resistant steel (CRES) and rustless steel, is an alloy of iron that is resistant to rusting and corrosion. It contains at least 10.5% chromium and usually nickel, and may also contain other elements, such as carbon, to obtain the desired properties. Stainless steel's resistance to corrosion results from the chromium, which forms a passive film that can protect the material and self-heal in the presence of oxygen.: 3
If that chromium oxide layer gets pierced or scratched, it quickly reforms, thus making the best grades in the 300 series "stainless". However, if the protective oxide coating gets pierced by ordinary iron, the layer won't heal and the rusting process will start. I'm hearing that rail dust from being transported to destination cities is the main culprit. T30x stainless is great for commercial kitchens, horrible for car bodies.
0:05 The Lighting, GMC Hummer and that old Thoe hybrid: "Are we jokes to you?"
There are different grades of stainless steel. That being said, usually the best practice is to always make sure it stays clean to prevent stains. It only remains stainless as long as you don’t prevent air from having direct access to the surface.
From my own experience, I've noticed the non-magnetic stainless steels seem to have a better resistance to corrosion.
Same here like 316 or better
I did some research and found this:
"Corrosion resistance depends on how much chromium and (sometimes) molybdenum is in the stainless steel. The higher the chromium and molybdenum, the better corrosion resistance.
The magnetism myth is because the common magnetic grades of stainless steel, 409 and 430, don't resist corrosion as well as the common non-magnetic grades, 304 and 316. You can't expect them to. Grade 409 has 11% of chromium, which is plenty for automotive muffler systems.
Grade 430 has 16% of chromium, and is mostly used indoors. Grade 304 has 18% of chromium, which makes it suitable for general purposes, including outdoor exposures. And in marine environments you need Grade 316, which has 16% chromium and also 2% of molybdenum to help it resist the attack of salt. 316 is known as marine grade.
So the common non-magnetic stainless steels have better corrosion resistance than the common magnetic grades because they have more chromium and molybdenum.
there are the duplex grades of stainless steel, well known for their excellent corrosion resistance. They are all fully magnetic all the time. The best known duplex grade, 2205, resists corrosion even better than 316 because it contains 22% of chromium and 3% of molybdenum."
@@charmio MKBHD, based on this, finding the specific grade of SS on the Cybertruck would be VERY interesting. Maybe it won't look like the thumbnail. Also, was that thumbnail done with AI tools🤣
With CT this has nothing to do with resistance, its just contamination from the environment, you get that rust stains on every car, it comes from the brakes, other cars, trains etc. Look closely at a white Car and you will find does brown spots too
@@Hans-Yolo No, you've gotta be realistic. It's bare metal. I personally like the idea and know it will be far more durable for what I use my car for than paint, however I wouldn't expect it to be impervious to corrosion. When Tesla said not to leave debris like bird poo on the car for extended periods, I do believe that's to prevent corrosion to the car itself. Bird poo in particular is quite corrosive, it even damages paint.
Bragging about a car that rusts is crazy !
Will a ceramic coating take care of this? I have it on a 4.5 year old model 3 and the car looks new
Stainless loses some of its properties when you bend it. It will corrode around the corners first. The 300 series they use is the most corrosion resistant. It also becomes slightly magnetic at the corners due to the work hardening.
depends on grade of stainless steel.
Cheap
Quality of Tesla is sht
musk special alloy
@@rp9674 Yes. It contains a high level of bull5h!t
All stainless steel can rust in the right (or wrong) conditions.
I mean.... all forms of steels eventually rust... even stainless steel.
If a magnet sticks its bad, if magnet doesn’t stick its good.
I think you should redo your punctuations for more clarity.
@@silvoslafif magnet sticks, its bad stainless, if it doesn't, its good stainless
@@sorastaz Go back to school little bro 😂
That's one of those rules of thumb which sound good but are mostly wrong. You can stick a magnet to AISI316l which is known as marine grade steel,
@@kabob21 ?? I only reformulated the orignal comment.
always depends what steel and how hot does it get?
Stainless exhausts can rust if get very hot depoending of what alloy was used
Is there actually any videos or pictures of this happening?
Some of us have been saying since the debut that 300 series stainless will rust. When these trucks hit the salt belt, they will perform terribly. They are showing rust after rain.
"Introducing the cyberust. A new truck designed to become old fast so you can enjoy the nostalgia of buying it in a metter of weeks."
It's a plus. The patina will make each cybertruck unique.
Most important though is it will do the job you want it to do regardless of the odd mark.
Depends on what is the job you wanted it to do.
Gold-plated stainless steel offers great durability and is resistant to scratching. This is a great option for daily wear jewellery pieces [like a fancy electric truck] as it also offers tarnish and corrosion resistance.
Don't tell Trump 😂
Idk we have stainless steel cups/ plates and those literally go in drawers and the dishwasher, and some of them have rust or that oil-slick type patina, so idk who told them that a fully stainless steel truck was just going to be fine
That's probably what's sold as "Edelstahl Rostfrei 18/10" - "Stainless steel rustproof AISI304" which is great for kitchen use although some with a nickel allergy might not like it at all :D. It can be hardened by cold working it, i.E, when you stamp it, it gets brittle. Not hard enough for.a durable knife blade, but too hard for a car that should survive a bump or two in a parking lot.
Those Rustspots might be comming from the dishwasher or other stuff that can rust and went with it into the washer, it doenst need much to get stainless infected with rustspots
Honestly I don't believe a room full of engineers approved this. Like it's such a common problem that companies PAINT THE CARS.
@@VolkerHettHonestly when you get into the different grades of stainless steel and the doping elements you'll find that the only alloy that makes sense in terms of physical properties to corrosion will have downsides in manufacturability and the biggest issue, costs. And even then I'm sure a high chromium stainless steel will still rust if it's outside all the time.
@@Kai...999 Do you think that a single engineer was consulted before Musk announced the development of the Cyber Truck? I highly doubt it.
The poor engineers on this project (I feel sorry for them) were simply following a brief and making the best of a bad situation. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at a few of their meetings, that's for sure.
Saw my first CT in person this week
It’s smaller than I thought it would be. My first EV will be a Rivian but I guess the CT is cool in theory but this is ridiculous.
Does anyone know specifically which stainless alloy the cybertruck uses? I've heard 300 series but wouldn't 316 and 304 stainless fall under that category as well?
I believe Tesla are saying it is a new, secret blend but we do know it is a 300 series, specifically 30X.
Personally, I find it hard to believe it is actually a new alloy (I would imagine basically every combination of common elements has been already tried, tested and cataloged over the last however many decades) so imagine it is just an off the shelf 300 series (especially seeing as they need it at scale and doubt they have foundries specially making it to order just for them).
Edit: find a magnetic 300 series and I’d bet that is probably the stuff they are using 😊
I've heard 301
Just by looking at the fridge's surface panels in your kitchen, you will notice smadges on it. It's actually very easy to to have that kind of smadges but not so easy to clean it.
There are all types of Stainless steel. 400 series is low level with a loft of chrome. If they had used a 300 series this would not have happened. I have never seen a rusty Delorean.
Yes, but the steel cladding on a DeLorean is not structural very much unlike the Cybertruck.
@@VolkerHett Correct. If memory serves me the DeLorean is structurally a fiberglass body with thin, non structural sheets of stainless steel bonded (glued) to the surface in place of paint. The Cybertruck body is structural metal panels that support themselves. The DeLorean's stainless alloy can chosen to maximize rust resistance without worrying about it's strength.
@@VolkerHett ... and that's exactly why it's a bad idea, and why nobody else is doing it like that despite stainless being a known, explored field of engineering for decades.
"Now that they've been out for a while"
**Less than a dozen delivered 3 months ago**
I’ve already seen at least 4 here in LA. They’re out there.
@@aygwm The kind of insanity it takes to live in LA is the kind of insanity it takes to buy from a billionaire con artist. Are there any cyber trucks NOT in LA? That would be truly shocking.
@@randomgrinnI’m in the LA area aswell and it’s pretty funny to watch effspot’s GTA server vids.
Every Cybertruck should include a box of Bar Keepers Friend.
I threw some regular steel sheet on a pile behind my house nad it got covered 100% with rust within a single week, a grill you mention, gets some rust after a year or two so there is a magnitude of difference haha
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The whole point of the cyber track is to have that metal body and they had to have known that it will rust when they were testing it but they still sold it. It should show Tesla's character and maybe one of the reasons why it took them so long to sell
literally zero evidence of this...the CT isn't rusting, its picking up metal dust from brake pads and other shit on the road and its rusting from there. The metal itself is NOT rusting in any way.
@@TheTReed78 bro go look at all the pictures online they all started rusting after the rain in California a little less than a week ago
Also Tesla warns you about it and fine print
@@justinbreedlove8835 also there’s nothing in the “fine print” that I can find
@@TheTReed78 you mean the part about IMMIDIATELY removing any debris/salt/splattered bugs from the surface? The "IMMIDIATELY" part not clear enough? PLEASE take the rose glasses off and evaluate CT based on what ACTUAL engineers (not bachelors of physics) say.
@@fortissears5388 it literally doesn't matter you can remove that stuff too. Physics literally have nothing to do with this, are you ok?
Lol, what did you spect dudes? I'm still surprised the trucks do not disarm by the use
Never thought I'd hear David say "why would you ever want context"
And no one was surprised
0 % surprise battery left for the rusted cybertruck🔋😮
The fanboys are
It's Tesla "stainless steel", of course it rusts! 🤣
“It just can’t stain” is underrated
If you get normal steel stuck to stainless steel, it will animate the stainless to rust when the other does.
What about the DeLorean that's made of stainless steel and it doesn't rust?
Their's recent UA-cam videos "DeLorean barn find 977 miles"
3rd video in the series, First wash in 20 years! They point out the mold and mildew, mouse crap washing off onto the floor... I'd imagine lots of urine too. The pointed out some stains that easily wiped off with a rag and a product called Bar Keepers. Zero Rust. Car looked new afterwards
Higher grade stainless
@@bfree6197 They used Bar keepers Friend on the Cybertruck as well and the rust spots came right off. There's already a video of it on UA-cam.
@ethan999oz Bar Keepers was used for stains. They zoomed in on the stains caused by 20 years of mold, mildew, mouse droppings.
The point is, even after 20 years of neglect... ZERO Rust anywhere!!!
@@bfree6197 Based on what they've said, it was a balance between corrosion resistance and thoughness. The SS used in DeLoreans is more resistant to corrosion whereas with the CT it's tough.
Clearly, the body of the CT is designed to handle abuse, not look pretty.
To offer a solution would be to validate the problem, to validate the problem would be to admit flaw, and to admit flaw would harm the brand of the world's greatest "genius."
So the solution to the problem is to pay an exorbitant amount for the processes involved in having a stainless steel truck. Then pay an exorbitant amount for a wrap every few years so you don't see the stainless steel. That is no flaw... It is called profit. The world's greatest "genius" strikes again and people just eat it up.
@@darpompie4354 that would be a "solution," and to offer a solutuon would be to validate the problem. For any of what you suggest to happen, Tesla will need to explain that their car was ill concieved by an idiot who didn't know what he was doing.
It's been two days, and no word from Tesla. I guess we will see what they do.
No such thing as Stainless Steel, that's just a trademark name.
It's actually CRS, Corrosion Resistant Steel and WD-40 was invented to prevent rust formation and surface degradation. So yes, the Cybertruck will need a periodic WD40 treatment.
Tesla's body panels must be of a different grade of stainless steel. Kitchen equipment are usually 304. The place where I worked used 316 (beverage plant that was sanitized daily with chemicals and water). Higher concentration of chromium and molybdenum. No rust. Take a magnet and place it on the Tesla body panels and it will stick. The question I have, is if you decide to do a wrap and the body panels are susceptible to rust (untreated panels), will the wrap trap moisture and in the long run make it worse?
Oh dear, it’s not the truck rusting, it’s metal dust from car brakes etc that adheres to the truck and rust. It will wipe off with some barkeepers friend cleaner. There are several video online where people show that it simply wipes away.
My dad and uncle both got one and they are pissed because it’s already rusting all over on both of them, they are thinking of just getting rid of them and go back to gas
A story that never happened.
@@Nessal83 Elon is that you ? lol
My stainless steel Solo stove has been outside for years and still shines new. There are grades of stainless. A good grade of stainless would last for ever. Do you find rust spots on stainless spoons and forks. Only the very cheapest maybe.
Different types of stainless steels have different levels of rust resistance. It varies quite a bit.
Where is a picture of this so called rust??? This is a fake story. What they are seeing is iron debris from the brakes on the cars around it and it own brakes. These tiny rust particles are being deposited on the Cybertruck and looks like little tiny rust spots. The same thing happens mainly with white colored cars....especially in winter.
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But the paint protects the surface. The rust dust pits the stainless steel.
@@softwarephil1709this all speculation right now. Educated guesses. Only time will reveal these hypotheses.
I totally agree. I’ve see iron dust on dealership cars from transport. They started putting plastic protection on the paint to protect it. My Lexus has the same paint care instructions as the cyber truck has.
It’s not the truck rusting, it’s from rust dusts that comes from the environment big difference.
Cool how long have you had one?
@@themidgetsman Same as you, I bet.
But the dust seems to pit the surface. What will repeated salt exposure do?
100% correct. It is rail rust and sometimes you get iron from brake rotors. This is nothing new people
.. I find it funny that Marques reviews cars but doesn't seem to know about this. Spray IronX or Citrisurf77 and you are done. Iron deposits gone. People are so silly 😂.
It doesn’t matter where it comes from, a brand new vehicle shouldn’t appear like this period.
One of the things that pits and corrodes stainless steel is Chlorine. Road salt has, of course, Chlorine. This is also why you are never supposed to use bleach products (contains Chlorine) to clean stainless kitchen appliances too.
This whole thing played out with the DeLorean back in the 80s. If properly cleaned and cared for, the steel will last forever, but it will get rusty if you use it as a daily driver in the Northeast.
Welcome to anaerobic crevice corrosion with stainless. It's the stuff of nightmares. Pitting corrosion will happen whenever grit hits the surface and temporarily damages the oxide layer -but at least it's visible. The crevice corrosion happens out of sight by definition, and is rightly feared
Congrats you’re the only one with a correct answer I’ve seen so far.
-SpaceX metallurgist
@@rocketkinger2506 Why, thank you! I.m no rocket engineer but I sail, a lot, and understanding simple corrosion (as this is) and galvanic corrosion leads to a longer life)
300 series stainless steels are corroded by chlorine, especially pitting. In industry, we actually control that with something called the Pitting resistance equivalent number (PREN). Quick and dirty, the concentration of chlorine in potable water is just enough to pit stainless steels. Cheers!
The degree of rusting of a steel is a matter of its composition. Some stainless-steel rust just a bit, others little more, yet others never do. It all depends on what components and in which proportion you have mixed to cook this particular steel. People who collect knives know this very well.
if they have some sacrificial anode type thing connected to the main body housed under frames
Elon should have tested Cromargan. WMF, a famous German cutlery and homeware manufacturer, developed this supertough coating for their cutlery. Even after decades (I inherited a set from my parents - still as new), not even a spot of rust.
But yes, it is a coating and looks different than stainless steel. Also not like silver. Very high gloss. And it might be too expensive to use it on a car, as AFAIK, WMF still holds the patent for this nice stuff. Also, no idea whether it adds a lot of weight. That might also be an issue.
There are many different stainless steels, alloyed from various metals. Marine grade tends not to rust in the presence of salt and water, but others, well...
The alloy needed for the properties required to use stainless as a car body, are not the same as needed for a decent quality dinnerware set. You can drop an Onieda fork, spoon, or knife into a pan full of salt water and leave it there for a year, and it will come out shiny, because that is what that alloy is intended to do, to survive salty food contact and stay polished and "shiny". If I had a cybertruck, the first thing I would do to it is wax it with some Mother's carnauba car wax, so that water would bead off of it instead of sitting in direct contact with the metal. I do the same thing with any chrome on my cars, and it stays shiny for the life of the car.
I wanna do the first Corten Cybertruck ... would look amazing
Somebody put out a video on what surface protection product to use on the bare stainless.
Its fallout from other vehicles breaks and rotors. The particles imbed and rust. They show up on white cars on the hood and rocker panels.
It seems like a massive oversight. What about brake dust? Driving behind someone who’s got some worn out brakes, could lead to the car getting hit with brake dust, which will stick and rust the car for sure, when it’s not clear costed. Also its own brakes will most certaintly throw some brake dust onto the car.
Stainless steels industrial name is CRES (Corrosion Resistant Steel).
It is not immune to rust or corrosion, merely more resistant to it than standard steels. Most can't stand up to the type of conditions a car would be in.
The fact Tesla used a proprietary steel, thathas since been analyzed to have worse resistance than the wildly available CRES304 or top of the line CRES316, is shameful, but also exactly what I'd expect from them at this point... and I say this as a model 3 owner.
The label clearly states “dry clean only”
Steel particulate from roadways, trains & tracks, trailer trucks, etc., gets attached to the bare stainless steel surface, leading to galvanic corrosion. Since there is no clear coat to stop the contact, corrosion will be unstoppable unless you remove it from the SS surface. If you let it sit for too long, the chromium oxide layer that protects the SS can fail, and the corrosion will be even faster. The wrapping will help with the visible/accessible surface, but it will not stop the process inside the gaps, etc. Austenitic stainless steel is not rust-proof.
This should be an easy fix though. Just add zink anodes to it just like they do on steel ships. The anodes will rust first instead of the steel and you just have to replace the anodes once in a while. If it works on ships in saltwater it should work on cars on land even better.
i will leave mine rusted for the patina look. i hope they don't change the metal on mine
I hav had a stainless steel grill for about 6yrs now and it sits outside all yr long no rust it also has a cover
There are many grades and formulations of stainless steel. The Cybertruck's stainless steel was a custom formulation that had to account for the ability to bend the body structure. PS..My 7 year old stainless steel BBQ grill has zero rust...never used a cover.
Yeah when I see my high-end fishing gear getting rush spot beside cleaning them 4 times after every trip in the sea... i was thing that the still panel of a cyber truck will not last more them 2 months before getting rust spots.
A lot of people need to research to understand "stainless steel" comes in a myriad of alloys. Some stainless steel can corrode quite easily. It also changed color over time as it ages. It all depends on the type and quality of the steel sourced.
Right off the cybertuck website big bold advertising "no paint no chips" they forgot to add tust garentee
It'll be a risk in northern states that use lots of salt on roads in wintertime or live within 5-7 miles of the ocean.
Rust is a color, Corrosion is the proper term.
I found out how stainless stainless steel is on my first ocean dive. My stainless steel Dive knife, specifically made for DIVING had rust on it after less than an hour in the water. But I guess stain resistant isn't as good a marketing tagline
I'm just gonna keep watching as the story unfolds with the Cybertruck over the years of its existence. I wanna see how this goes and how it eventually goes down in history after the dust settles and these are either common place on the roads or a relic of the goofy past. They will make a name for themselves like most other cars, just wonder what the headline will be for the Cybertruck after it's established its place in the world.
Anything containing iron will eventually rust when exposed to the elements.
You should just be able to brush off light oxidation with steel wool. The same applies to chromed steel.
What nobody seems to be talking about is that you can't panel beat it either. If you scratch or dent a normal car, the panel beater can fill and paint over the damage. CyberTruck you realistically can't unless you want to paint all the panels. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The like they said it's meant to be used like a truck unlike the majority of trucks so you can use a Scotch-Brite pad and not worry about scratches