Reselling Your Cybertruck Could Be a Problem

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  • In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the fine print that makes it difficult to resell your Tesla Cybertruck.
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  • @dustyroads834
    @dustyroads834 29 днів тому +244

    There’s an easy answer to this. Don’t buy one.

    • @jimsteinway695
      @jimsteinway695 15 днів тому +2

      Who’d want one? The EV market is collapsing. Porsche won’t take used Taycans in trade Audi is discounting their EVs hugely

    • @Stanley-px3bt
      @Stanley-px3bt 10 днів тому

      THIS is the correct answer.

    • @xgford94
      @xgford94 10 днів тому

      AND it would seem that most people are taking your advice…nice.

    • @drones7838
      @drones7838 9 днів тому +4

      How many kids from the Congo did it take to make the battery?

    • @firewizardrunepro
      @firewizardrunepro 5 днів тому +1

      ​@jimsteinway695 The EV market won't collapse, in a rough spot? Debatable, but collapse? Fk no

  • @Matty002
    @Matty002 Місяць тому +423

    'if buying isnt owning, piracy isnt stealing'

  • @edwardnoble9897
    @edwardnoble9897 Місяць тому +537

    So the billionaire doesn't like unfettered capitalism and is saying regulation is the answer? Interesting.

    • @wendellgreenidge3362
      @wendellgreenidge3362 Місяць тому +9

      What kind of stupidness are you saying? If that’s the case then why doesn’t Tesla just sell them for $250k if that’s what people are willing to pay and then when they stop buying it for that price then bring the price down for everyone

    • @danielAgorander
      @danielAgorander Місяць тому +23

      This is not an example of "regulation". This is an example of the opposite. Regulation would be something like the government making it so that these clauses are rendered null and void - that is, _regulating_ what a contract can say and still be valid.
      The billionaire likes the system where the government does not interfere in what kind of stupid gets put into contracts.

    • @chefmastermikecmm8465
      @chefmastermikecmm8465 Місяць тому +39

      What happened to freedom Elon? 😅

    • @chefmastermikecmm8465
      @chefmastermikecmm8465 Місяць тому +2

      @@Wi2Low yes financial jail. Let us free! He can't just benefit and not us!

    • @samaBR_85
      @samaBR_85 Місяць тому

      wow! what a gift to the crowdfunders@@Wi2Low

  • @Psykldoc
    @Psykldoc Місяць тому +245

    Ownership should mean outright ownership! If I spend my hard earned money to purchase something, I don’t want anyone telling me what I can or can’t do with it. Hard stop.

    • @Feraeond
      @Feraeond Місяць тому +6

      Unless it is the government saying you can't drive it anywhere without paying annual registration fees that it arbitrarily raises at its discretion whenever it wants and without you ever having signed a contract? Or restricting you on some given year from altering or using something you own because it arbitrarily declares the environment will be negatively impacted? If only all these greedy companies would get out of the way and let the real freedom force of government run everything!

    • @sonysoyboysaremadeoftears.7404
      @sonysoyboysaremadeoftears.7404 Місяць тому

      LMAO! I feel you man but the truth is no one owns anything in the US anymore. See what happens if you drive with no registration and you get pulled over you will find out real quick that the state owns your vehicle and not you even if you have the title in hand. See what happens if you stop paying property taxes on your house that you own the state will immediately take your home. There is no ownership whatsoever anymore.

    • @joparkcat
      @joparkcat Місяць тому +34

      @@Feraeondyour boy musk loves the government, they give him billions for his Space-X con. 😂

    • @anonymousguy6928
      @anonymousguy6928 Місяць тому +6

      You sign the contract BEFORE you buy the car. It’s their product and they can decide when and how to sell it. It’s not like you have some God-given right to own their product so if you want it you have to agree to their rules. I don’t really understand why this is so difficult for people😂 know what you’re getting in to before you buy the dang thing.

    • @wendellgreenidge3362
      @wendellgreenidge3362 Місяць тому +2

      I’m glad, I hate resellers. If you don’t want it to own then don’t buy it.

  • @GasTachs
    @GasTachs Місяць тому +289

    Buy it under and LLC. Transfers LLC ownership… it never sold… still “ original” owner

    • @Junglelove20mm
      @Junglelove20mm Місяць тому +40

      This is the way.

    • @Lilpenith
      @Lilpenith Місяць тому +13

      That’s smart

    • @ohioplayer-bl9em
      @ohioplayer-bl9em Місяць тому +5

      Shady 😂

    • @00000000000101010
      @00000000000101010 Місяць тому +9

      Any lawyers in the chat who can confirm this?

    • @jaymevosburgh3660
      @jaymevosburgh3660 Місяць тому +25

      ​@@ohioplayer-bl9emAnd yet even Elon loves & uses legal loopholes like this.
      All the wealthy people do.

  • @davidborges2193
    @davidborges2193 Місяць тому +844

    So, if you sell your private property, you are forced to pay 50k to the corporation. Lets gooo Tesla, lets gooo USAAA

    • @mike4402
      @mike4402 Місяць тому +68

      This is explicitly done to stop scalpers, I can tell you didn't even watch the video.

    • @ahassan7
      @ahassan7 Місяць тому +55

      dont like the conditions dont buy the product

    • @Problemsolver434
      @Problemsolver434 Місяць тому +120

      ​@@mike4402We understand the reason. But bad things shouldn't be allowed simply because they mah have another good reason for it

    • @cedriccpt6590
      @cedriccpt6590 Місяць тому

      @@Problemsolver434all you need is teslas approval

    • @renofumi28
      @renofumi28 Місяць тому

      ​@@Problemsolver434and that's a good reason.

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise Місяць тому +90

    All these brands created reselling by creating artificial limitations on inventory and by creating special editions and limited colorways so they have no right to complain.

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      I don’t think you can prove Tesla intentionally limits their production of their truck

  • @user-nd7rd8jo6h
    @user-nd7rd8jo6h 28 днів тому +48

    Had a chuckle at
    "Tesla is trying to be about the common man" as they sell a 100k truck 🤣

  • @knightsljx
    @knightsljx Місяць тому +33

    if you "buy" something and you can't do anything you want with it, you didn't "buy" it. you rented it

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому +1

      Exactly. Apparently, people in the comments don’t understand what a contract is. I’m guessing most of them have never had a job before.

    • @davidfaustino4476
      @davidfaustino4476 5 днів тому

      * for full price.

  • @urbanspaceman7183
    @urbanspaceman7183 Місяць тому +54

    Can't understand why anyone would be daft enough to buy one of these monstrosities.

    • @roadcalm3303
      @roadcalm3303 8 днів тому +1

      On top of that, some people are willing to buy a used one.

    • @firewizardrunepro
      @firewizardrunepro 5 днів тому +2

      Its a cult mindset

  • @RichardSoares
    @RichardSoares Місяць тому +187

    This type of agreement exists in many markets. You can easily get around this agreement using an "option to buy" agreement. You and your buyer enter into an agreement where the buyer pays you a bunch of money for the "option" to purchase your property at a later date, like a year +1 day for your Cybertruck. During that time, you retain the Title (ownership). The buyer uses your Cybertuck and Insures it themself. Typically, nothing in these agreements restricts other people from "using" your property.

    • @theshogunblaze3656
      @theshogunblaze3656 Місяць тому +18

      the buyer could easily disrupt the agreement and cause chaos

    • @eugenes9751
      @eugenes9751 Місяць тому

      SMART

    • @pabloapostar7275
      @pabloapostar7275 Місяць тому +2

      The "option to buy" may be enough to take the relationship out of the statute that abolishes "uses and trusts" (a Henry VIII era statute that continues to be reenacted). But you are describing a use and trust. And the statute settles "ownership" in the user, cutting off the title owner (trusted figurehead).

    • @Gambit771
      @Gambit771 Місяць тому +3

      I've never heard of anything like this before in any market.

    • @stevesvanderpool8653
      @stevesvanderpool8653 Місяць тому +9

      Too much. I'm a simple man. Me stay away

  • @evldead123
    @evldead123 Місяць тому +34

    The bodega near me literally sells stuff that says things like "only for sale at Aldi".

  • @MarkMcCann64
    @MarkMcCann64 Місяць тому +58

    Appreciate you watching my videos and big thank you for crediting the Porsche series on the screen. Its refreshing to see that. Glad i have now found your channel.

  • @nlpnt
    @nlpnt Місяць тому +22

    The Cybertruck reminds me of the PT Cruiser, red-hot in its' first year but its' image will flip within a couple years.

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      Bro, the image flipped 5 years before its release.

  • @michaelwright2986
    @michaelwright2986 Місяць тому +89

    Bodegas/convenience stores are different from flipping. You can easily avoid their prices by being organised enough not to run out of milk at 2am; the little stores don't distort the market, they widen the scope of the market by being just round the corner at anti-social hours. Whether the mark-up of any particular store is reasonable or not is a real question: but I don't see many bodega owners in the rich lists. Plus, cats aren't cheap.

    • @kiwi2035
      @kiwi2035 Місяць тому +9

      Flipping just means the market hasn’t adjusted properly, being anti flipping but pro capitalism is ridiculous

    •  Місяць тому

      @@kiwi2035 LOL no.

    • @BladeoftheImmortal2005
      @BladeoftheImmortal2005 Місяць тому +5

      @@kiwi2035 There are many that buy something just with the intent on flipping it. This distorts the market for the product. Because they wouldn't be a consumer for that product in normal conditions. All this does is lead to higher prices than they should be.

    • @zagreus5773
      @zagreus5773 Місяць тому +2

      @@BladeoftheImmortal2005 Isn't that what every trader does? Seems to be an inherent feature of a free market. If you sell something undervalue, because of lack of knowledge or time, it makes sense for someone else that has more patience to try to turn a profit from that.
      As long as they don't keep it for an extended period of time and just resell it at a higher price, it should not distort the market. However, if they "invest" in it by removing it from the market for an extended period of time, it will inflate the price artificially, that is true. This is what happens to many collectors items, where people that have no interest in actually collecting them buy them in large quantity and keep them as long as the price goes up. If enough do that it creates a bubble that will burst as soon as they see the price drop, while actual collectors are not motivated by profit an would not sell because of that. Happened to coins, stamps, and many other items.

    • @Feverm00n
      @Feverm00n 20 днів тому +1

      So true, they’re always eating string and stuff, and vet bills are crazy.

  • @limbeboy7
    @limbeboy7 Місяць тому +276

    Imagine trying to sell a laptop and Microsoft/Dell ask you to pay $75 for a $200 used laptop

    • @diwanthegreat
      @diwanthegreat Місяць тому +24

      More like, your laptop is so rare that its reselling for triple its value so Dell/Microsoft wants $100 for a $600 resale price.

    • @mixalis6168
      @mixalis6168 Місяць тому +8

      Imagine being dumb enough to pay them cause you sold your truck !

    • @limbeboy7
      @limbeboy7 Місяць тому +20

      @@diwanthegreat doesn't matter consumers are not responsible for how much inventory a company keeps. if you sell something to a costumer, the rights and responsibility belongs to the costumer.

    • @limbeboy7
      @limbeboy7 Місяць тому +5

      @@diwanthegreat Cybertruck sells for 100k MSRP, and they charge 50k fee for resale, your 600 to 100 math is wrong. try again

    • @diwanthegreat
      @diwanthegreat Місяць тому +2

      @@limbeboy7 how much you think Cybertruck will resell for right now? There is no way to buy it, even if you are a super rich. The only way, is through resellers so you can imagine it could easily go for 300k of which 50k you pay as fine for breaching the one year contract.

  • @freethinker.
    @freethinker. Місяць тому +16

    Don't get this thing in the first place.

  • @rickjohnston5106
    @rickjohnston5106 Місяць тому +171

    "they really want to be able to get the Roadster" LMAO - when did you get into comedy Marques?

    • @ashishpatel350
      @ashishpatel350 Місяць тому +24

      its only 10 years away lol

    • @deadly_dave
      @deadly_dave Місяць тому +6

      @@ashishpatel350 They are still working on the flying part 🤣

    • @ashishpatel350
      @ashishpatel350 Місяць тому +10

      @@Wi2Low lol 4 years later and double the price with half the range . So yeah it was vapor ware

    • @Sal3600
      @Sal3600 Місяць тому +1

      @@Wi2Low just musk haters regurgitating the same shite over and over again.

    • @robertp457
      @robertp457 6 днів тому +1

      @@Sal3600that’s Elon’s fault for publicly disclosing production benchmarks they never hit. The second gen roadster was introduced to the public in 2017 with availability in 2020 and then 6 more production dates Tesla missed with 14 other announced dates also wrong. That’s all on Elon and the mocking has been earned.
      Why are you defending a company that doesn’t care about you, just like nearly every company?

  • @dee4071
    @dee4071 Місяць тому +277

    You mean to tell me Mr. Freedom of speech won’t let me have the freedom to purchase😂😂😂

    • @makatron
      @makatron Місяць тому +6

      Not freedom to speculate

    • @Syzygy_Bliss
      @Syzygy_Bliss Місяць тому +1

      That’s right, mr. brand is selling you a brand, not an ideology.

    • @nick.100
      @nick.100 Місяць тому

      What percentage of Tesla do you think Elon owns ?

    • @sohailmd123
      @sohailmd123 Місяць тому +31

      freedom for me not for thee
      - freespeech absolutist

    • @geebster.
      @geebster. Місяць тому

      He's a free speech absolutist....in his head. In real life he has done more censorship of ideas and people he doesn't like than Twitter did before him. The fact he bans people that disagree with him in replies should tell you more than enough.

  • @archwombat9250
    @archwombat9250 Місяць тому +8

    At the start of the COVID lockdown there was a rush on toilet roll because people thought they wouldn’t be allowed or perhaps wouldn’t want to go shopping. There wasn’t actually a shortage, people just had several weeks ‘stock’ in their houses.
    People then started flipping toilet rolls for many times their value.

  • @wyattlewis9250
    @wyattlewis9250 Місяць тому +49

    If companies don’t want low volume products to be flipped then they shouldn’t release a product that’s low volume. It’s simple supply and demand, there has to be enough supply for everyone that’s willing to pay over MSRP to make flipping not profitable. As long as there are people that are willing to pay over MSRP there will be flippers willing to sell to them. The buyer values the item more than the person selling. Companies should wait until they have enough inventory and/or production to meet demand to stop flippers. Apple does a pretty good job at this as I’ve pre-ordered multiple Apple devices with minimal wait and haven’t heard of anyone not able to get an Apple product near release.

    • @simplevoicereviewssvr6418
      @simplevoicereviewssvr6418 Місяць тому +4

      If someone takes Tesla to court over it, Tesla will loose

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts Місяць тому

      well Tesla shouldn't have done 100 dollar refundable deposits@@simplevoicereviewssvr6418

    • @00000000000101010
      @00000000000101010 Місяць тому

      @@simplevoicereviewssvr6418 based on what? What about the contract is illegal....this seems like a pretty normal contract to me, although I'm not a lawyer. Two parties freely entered an agreement, and if one party is in violation of that contract...then the pre agreed upon financial penalty is imposed.

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      @@00000000000101010don’t bother. You’re clearly talking to someone who has never had a job before, otherwise they would know how a contract works.

  • @computermdms
    @computermdms Місяць тому +70

    Dealership markup is worse then flipping. With flipping at least the money doesn't go to the dealership

    • @brunoheggli2888
      @brunoheggli2888 Місяць тому +6

      If you are flipping,then you are a dealer!

    • @daso1n282
      @daso1n282 Місяць тому +4

      @@brunoheggli2888Only rich people complain about flipping. They dont need money so.

    • @itsdaddymagic
      @itsdaddymagic Місяць тому +3

      I've never seen 3 comments get it so wrong

    • @stephenpawking
      @stephenpawking Місяць тому

      ​@@daso1n282 no fing duh. Who tf spends +100k on a car that doesn't have money

  • @Dr.Curly2099
    @Dr.Curly2099 Місяць тому +25

    I think GM addressed this problem more effectively. For instance, in the case of the 2023 Z06, they knew dealers would have insane markups for it, so GM told their dealers that if they sold Z06 cars above the original MSRP, they would not be allowed to sell any future GM performance cars. Of course, buyers are allowed to sell their Z06 at any time they want, so long as their dealers don't sell them above the original MSRP.

    • @ChrisH421
      @ChrisH421 Місяць тому +1

      You left out the part about GM not honoring the warranty if you are not the original owner

    • @flamingscar5263
      @flamingscar5263 Місяць тому +2

      @@ChrisH421 this is fairly standard in most industries, that doesn't make it right, but this is far, far from a GM only thing

    • @ChrisH421
      @ChrisH421 Місяць тому +1

      @@flamingscar5263 it's far from standard in the auto industry.

  • @dhuwdhuwdhuw
    @dhuwdhuwdhuw Місяць тому +6

    as much as I hate flippers, I hate dealer markups even more. We know from sneakers and hype products to keep the supply low to increase the demand. Can you imagine, if Adidas or Nike, in their own store, mark up shoes stupidly high because those particular shoes are very desirable.

    • @brunoheggli2888
      @brunoheggli2888 Місяць тому

      There is nothing wrong with dealer markups and with dealer discounts too!

  • @seanobrien9849
    @seanobrien9849 Місяць тому +6

    Flipping is free market correction. I hate it too, because I’m human and I don’t want to pay more but the root source is supply and demand. What is truly infuriating is like Nintendo and Apple intentionally restricting production to inflate market value. We are frustrated because we can’t get availability at a competitive market price because Tesla has failed to launch at volume for the demand considering the size of the company. Y’all may not be down with minivans, but my Venn diagram is pretty diverse. The Sienna is unrivaled in looks, fuel economy, value abs while other cabs are sitting on lots, the Sienna has had a 6-12mo wait for something like 4 years straight, and a 4yo used one (‘21+ are all hybrid) with 100k-mi is still $36k from like 38k msrp

  • @nfsilva
    @nfsilva Місяць тому +24

    Tesla doesn't have to control the product after the sale
    Especially since at the time of booking and purchase this clause was not mentioned. Markets work like this, if there is demand there is always the option for those who have the product to choose to sell.

    • @Syzygy_Bliss
      @Syzygy_Bliss Місяць тому

      Then why doesn’t Tesla just sell all their cybertrucks with a bidding system so that they can make scalper prices for each one without rewarding actual scalpers?
      We have regulations for a reason.

  • @brothazoot
    @brothazoot 18 днів тому +2

    The fact you would have a corporation tell you what you can and cannot do with the item that you spent your hard earned money on is a bigger problem than flipping.

  • @ElijsDima
    @ElijsDima Місяць тому +64

    Isn't this... illegal? Placing a fine for reselling something you bought?

    • @keshmo12
      @keshmo12 Місяць тому +33

      You sign a contract that says you can't sell it for a year. Other car companies do it. You can put anything in a contract and people will sign it if they want the product.

    • @DJB01
      @DJB01 Місяць тому +3

      Nope.

    • @arshbot
      @arshbot Місяць тому +6

      Just because you own something doesn’t mean you’re free to do anything you’d like with it

    • @theoneandonlybosable
      @theoneandonlybosable Місяць тому +4

      @@keshmo12They have already sold out. These clauses are unenforceable more often than not.

    • @Yuuki_Asuna
      @Yuuki_Asuna Місяць тому

      people are not going to risk it@@theoneandonlybosable

  • @Jry088
    @Jry088 Місяць тому +41

    Why is this even a surprise, luxury brands have been doing this for years. AP does it, Ferrari does it, Porsche does it, and so many others. The thing about dealership markup is they overdo it they may get their future deliveries reduced or cancelled.

    • @cxar71
      @cxar71 Місяць тому +9

      Ferraris don’t accumulate rust in their first week on the road.

    • @wole997
      @wole997 Місяць тому +13

      @@cxar71Ferraris are barely on the road though so we’ll never know.

    • @cxar71
      @cxar71 Місяць тому +4

      @@wole997 Yes, that must be the reason why they don’t get rusty… surely not because rust resistance techniques are so cheap and commonplace nowadays that even 10k$ Chinese cars won’t see rust before being 8/10 years constantly out in the street. 😂

    • @vitalipotchekin8241
      @vitalipotchekin8241 Місяць тому +5

      Yeah, the keyword here is “luxury” not “rusty bucket”.

    • @marceldiezasch6192
      @marceldiezasch6192 Місяць тому +5

      You can do whatever you want with your AP, Ferrari and Porsche, there is no fine.
      They just won't sell you future rare models, that's it. No fine and other BS.

  • @cbbbbbbbbbbbb
    @cbbbbbbbbbbbb Місяць тому +4

    I don't know what to do. I got the reservation email 2 days ago but I don't want it anymore. I don't care to buy another tesla anyway, so their lockout doesn't bother me. The cybertruck was the only tesla I was interested in. Now with the Rivian 3x revealed, my eyes are completely set on that. Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy and sell? I don't buy from flippers, and I hate that flipping is even a thing, but exclusive access to something early is always worth something... I'm of two minds and don't know what to do.

  • @gordowg1wg145
    @gordowg1wg145 Місяць тому +4

    Historically, it has been common for people to put deposits down on high demand products, such as luxury cars, and close to actual delivery date selling that spot, at a high premium, to people who have the money and want it without waiting.
    A similar ploy is where there may be a limit in the numbers of a product being available in a country.

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts Місяць тому

      tesla deposit was 100 dollars refundable. guess how many scalpers put down multiple deposits

  • @johnnyonthespot4375
    @johnnyonthespot4375 Місяць тому +21

    THIS is why diamonds became so expensive - an item that is incredibly common - De Beers controlled the resale market -
    "A Diamond is forever"

    • @princequestly2218
      @princequestly2218 23 дні тому +4

      They became expensive because of the propaganda, not because they were rare, they’ve never been rare, people just bought into the idiotic propaganda of buying a diamonds for engagements to begin with.

  • @VeloQuest
    @VeloQuest Місяць тому +4

    i am so glad the velomobile company is not like car dealers. because on some models the waiting list is 1 year. but somtimes they have a bicycle that not get picked up and they sell it just for the normal price. but you dont get to choose the options but also dont have to wait a year. and the company buys back the bicycles if you dont want to sell it online. and sometimes you see people that buy a velomobile and say its not for me and you just can sell the bicycle and no hard feellings.

  • @jonathanlopez3315
    @jonathanlopez3315 Місяць тому +64

    There’s a dealer that has five cyber trucks already selling for 200,000

    • @MrVictor444
      @MrVictor444 Місяць тому +1

      Crazy

    • @gordowg1wg145
      @gordowg1wg145 Місяць тому +7

      Selling, or asking for?
      The first is STUPID people buying into a marketing ploy, the second is a STUPID dealer trying to get idiots to buy into a marketing ploy!

  • @MarcSherwood
    @MarcSherwood 15 днів тому +1

    A few years back, here in Vancouver we had a very cold winter (not normal for us). Due to the ice on driveways and sidewalks, which home owners are responsible for clearing, there was a higher demand for Road Salt (melt). The stores were sold out, but sure enough, craigslist and FB marketplace were full of people trying to flip bags of it for a king's ransom.
    I used a few spare email accounts and had some fun making all sorts of deals to buy from the flippers, then just not showing up.

  • @androyd87tv
    @androyd87tv Місяць тому +16

    Flipping actually messed up the buying experience for a lot of products. There is a reason greed is a sin.

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      You’re complaining about a garbage truck being sold at retail for 500% what it’s actually worth. It’s not diabetes medication. It’s a huge metal paperweight. Who cares if people are scalping it?

  • @fishma2
    @fishma2 Місяць тому +7

    I should be able to sell it but not for profit. The clause should state that the private sale should be locked to the buying price

    • @derekdrummond7544
      @derekdrummond7544 Місяць тому +3

      Then you could say I've got some floor mats , you can buy them for 20k.

    • @lanceareadbhar
      @lanceareadbhar Місяць тому

      ​@@derekdrummond7544That's what some dealers do to get around laws that don't allow markups.

    • @shari9721
      @shari9721 8 днів тому

      If I buy something then I own it , I can do whatever I want with it , I can blow it up , I can give it away , I can paint little circles on it , I can cover it with stickers etc . If someone else or a company attaches strings to it , dictates or decides what I can and cant do with it or to it then I dont own it , they do . People sell things for more than they paid for them all the time and people sell things for less than they paid for them all the time . The market decides what something is worth . The whole point of an auction is to hopefully get the highest price you can , bidding wars happen for all kinds of things all the time , things often go for more then they are actually worth simply because more than 1 person wants it badly enough to pay a higher price . If you buy a flag or a bible or anything else nothing stops you from burning them , cutting them into little pieces , pouring paint all over them or burying them in your garden because you bought them, you own them .

  • @Abevlife
    @Abevlife Місяць тому +15

    So its okay for manufacturer to increase prices depending on supply and demand. But consumer can't?

    • @mosando
      @mosando Місяць тому +2

      Yup, corporate greed at its finance

    • @enadegheeghaghe6369
      @enadegheeghaghe6369 Місяць тому +3

      Well you agree to their terms and conditions when you buy the truck

    • @Gambit771
      @Gambit771 Місяць тому

      ​@@enadegheeghaghe6369That's true.
      Unless the company did is best to hide it from you then it is your fault.
      This wouldn't work if people didn't accept it.

  • @adesoladada
    @adesoladada Місяць тому +8

    David is a whole mood in this video

    • @ahassan7
      @ahassan7 Місяць тому

      who’s david

  • @Coxtoasten12
    @Coxtoasten12 Місяць тому +3

    Living in Minnesota the temp can vary a lot during winter. How does it perform in snow and ice that is on the road at times? How smooth of a ride is it over crappy roads with lots of potholes. Is there some protection over the battery so if you hit something and damage the battery. How likely will it start a fire. I have seen a video where they hit something and the car burned to the ground. If the truck is in Neutral can you move it off the road to the shoulder if you stall?

  • @makatron
    @makatron Місяць тому +42

    Porsche already has anti flip clauses with the rare models.

    • @Nick-jf1il
      @Nick-jf1il Місяць тому +4

      which always seemed funny to me, seeing how you have to right of second sale.........

    • @dean._.0.0
      @dean._.0.0 Місяць тому +13

      this isn’t a rare model it’s just a tesla

    • @makatron
      @makatron Місяць тому +8

      @@dean._.0.0 it's just new, and I wouldn't drive one even if it was free

    • @makatron
      @makatron Місяць тому +2

      @@Nick-jf1il completely agree with you mate

    • @nick.100
      @nick.100 Місяць тому +2

      @@dean._.0.0it’s currently very rare but it will become less rare

  • @fjanson2468
    @fjanson2468 Місяць тому +4

    As a reservation holder and a long time stock holder, I'm 2 Cybertrucks underwater on stock price that was supposed to pay for a Cybertruck. I expect I'm not alone.

    • @ohioplayer-bl9em
      @ohioplayer-bl9em Місяць тому

      Buy high and sell low my friend.
      The market wins all the time.

  • @mammutMK2
    @mammutMK2 Місяць тому +2

    The problem is not the selling, its the flipping...its that ine percent that ruins it for everyone.
    When someone suddenly realizes he does not like the car and sells it (even though its used) for x2 or x3 of the price, something is wrong.
    Some people literally just buy stuff to flip.
    And porsche just increases the price to the flipping price...yes, it sucks,but if the sell it ror the normal price they would see it for double the price on ebay the next day

  • @lorenipsum93
    @lorenipsum93 Місяць тому +12

    12:58 I'm sorry but if i'm buying a 100k plus vehicle with panel gaps that look like steps. 💀

  • @vikdmon
    @vikdmon Місяць тому +3

    Hummer EV has the same restrictions, GM has forbidden its resale for 6 months. If you try, the warranty won’t transfer over to the new seller

  • @kurtcult1908
    @kurtcult1908 Місяць тому +6

    Dealers mark up way worse than flipping…. Telluride was like 10k over sticker at one point. Crazy

  • @ohioplayer-bl9em
    @ohioplayer-bl9em Місяць тому +1

    The state reports all vehicle sales to the manufacturers. They are legally required to so the manufacture can send out recall information.
    We have bought cars that have been 10 years old and received recall information for them.
    If you sell your 2008 impala and the recall for the key has not been completed the new owner will receive the recall card in the mail within a month or so.

  • @electrified0
    @electrified0 Місяць тому +4

    Definitely an interesting situation, as someone who both hates anti-consumer practices that limit ownership rights and also hates middleman parasites who add absolutely no value while driving up prices. Not personally interested in a cybertruck either way, but definitely interesting.

  • @qu3nt
    @qu3nt Місяць тому +5

    You can trust me on this or don’t i don’t care : I worked behind the curtains in a Ferrari Dealer and ofc they make all those little shenanigans on contracts but in the end money are king and everything would happening, change name on the contract keep the car in dealership name for best costumers and shit it was ridiculous.

  • @TheRustedPixel
    @TheRustedPixel Місяць тому +6

    I'd like to see them try that shit in Europe. Tesla produce such ugly ass cars. They are like the cheap knock offs you see in open world games where the car kinda looks like a real world version but just more janky.

    • @annyjones7228
      @annyjones7228 Місяць тому +3

      Well they did try the union busting thing in Germany and it did not go well 😂
      I would assume consumer rights organisations would also have something to say about this case here .

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      @@annyjones7228How is this a consumer rights issue??? You can choose not to buy the car.

    • @annyjones7228
      @annyjones7228 13 днів тому

      @@Razzanonymous It's a car that rusts when used like a car. In my country that is very much a consumer rights issue. Especially if they promote it as stainless steel.

  • @CliftonHamilton
    @CliftonHamilton 26 днів тому

    The distributor charges different prices to different customers. I used to fix car washes at gas stations, and the PEPSI distributor would charge about $4 (this was 20 years ago) for a 12 pack of cans, so the $4.79 the store charges left a very small profit margin for them. When the local grocery store would have sales where PEPSI cases were 4 for $8, the managers and owners would go over and buy as much as they were allowed from the grocery store since the price was lower than they could get from their distributor.
    So they do in fact use standard distributors, and they do in fact buy items from grocery stores. They do both, because they actually have pretty slim margins and need to nickel and dime to turn a profit.

  • @locobob
    @locobob Місяць тому +1

    My hot take is that dealerships have a place in the market. DTC is not easy and manufacturers want to focus on what they do well, which is build cars. Many DTC brands do not do customer service well, Tesla included. The point of a dealership is to handle the customer interactions required in the buying process, manage the financial aspects, provide servicing and customer service. Most of all, the dealerships manage the risk of unsold inventory. Manufacturers sell to order but the dealerships have to make the math work of how many of each model they need to stock, then deal with the stagnant inventory on their lots. All this is very capital intensive and the potential for loss is high.

    • @brunoheggli2888
      @brunoheggli2888 Місяць тому

      And dealers provide a lot of promotion for the brand and people can testdrive cars there and can compare all modells from the lineup!A good salesman also will trie to sell you more then just the basemodell if he knows how to deal with diffrent customers,that is worth a lot for the carproducer!

  • @Andrey-rc6wp
    @Andrey-rc6wp Місяць тому +8

    The way I see it is, if the company is the one making the money, then it’s all good. If people make money, boooo bad.

    • @TheRealMafoo
      @TheRealMafoo Місяць тому +1

      The goal is the other way around. If a company sells something for $100, and in the first few seconds, people buy them all up for the purpose of reselling it for $600 each, then anyone who actually wants to own that thing, will need to pay $600. This allowes the end user, who wants the product, to be able to buy the product for $100. Tesla is not marking the product up. They are making sure no one does.

  • @zantar04
    @zantar04 Місяць тому +4

    This sounds like a clause that wouldn't really be able to hold up in a court.

    • @Razzanonymous
      @Razzanonymous 13 днів тому

      You have literally 0 clue about the law if you think a contract that you voluntarily sign wouldn’t be able to be held up in court.

  • @1969bobsmith
    @1969bobsmith 27 днів тому +2

    I'm sorry, but with the lack of quality control, breakdowns, rust, delivery delays of years, and now "authoritarian control" by the company... Why would anyone buy one of these "migranes"??

  • @pbase36
    @pbase36 25 днів тому +1

    The bodega argument doesn't play out in any place where there's a bodega on every corner, sometimes 2 to 5 on a block like in some places in NY.

  • @IamKenRoss
    @IamKenRoss Місяць тому +6

    So is flipping options in the stock market okay?
    How is this different?

    • @jovalleau
      @jovalleau 13 днів тому

      There are sometimes rules and regulations that stipulate how and when you are able to sell stocks based on when you bought or received them. Granted, that governmental regulation, and not basic contract law.

    • @IamKenRoss
      @IamKenRoss 13 днів тому

      There are obviously SEC regulations on securities and taxes on gains. Same applies here. Tesla is adding to regulations on vehicle sales. That is my point. If you don’t like it, call your local or state govt and advocate for stiffer regulations on resale of cars.
      I think you’d be hard pressed to get anywhere on that cause the used car market is being decimated by the lack of new car sales.

  • @Don-is2rl
    @Don-is2rl Місяць тому +11

    It's all freedom of speech, free markets, fair competition till the Tesla share price dips. Since when did it become okay to sell someone a product at 70,000 USD and dictate to them what to do with it. I guess America became soft. No one becomes the richest person on earth without loving money - A LOT.

    • @nick.100
      @nick.100 Місяць тому

      Tesla doesn’t make any money if u sell it or not. Tesla wants to prevent the people who actually want to own the truck not over pay . They would sell the same amount of vehicles if someone buys it to flip the car to someone for more or if Tesla just sells to that person directly

    • @enadegheeghaghe6369
      @enadegheeghaghe6369 Місяць тому

      If you agree to the terms and conditions of buying the truck then yes they can penalise you if you sell the truck

    • @Gambit771
      @Gambit771 Місяць тому

      ​@@nick.100Then produce enough to sell to people that want to buy it.

    • @nick.100
      @nick.100 Місяць тому

      @@Gambit771 they are trying to lol u can’t just magically produce millions of cars in the first year of production

    • @walterkaiyuenpang3556
      @walterkaiyuenpang3556 Місяць тому +1

      He isn't the Wealthiest anymore ....
      👍✊

  • @lordfreeza
    @lordfreeza 9 днів тому

    In the examples they gave about stores its not the same because there is typically not a shortage of boxes of cereal so up chargering for your extra costs and profit are not the same because you can get it in lots of other places.

  • @rellett1
    @rellett1 Місяць тому +4

    The manufacturer has to buy it back in the first year if they want these clauses.

  • @ashishpatel350
    @ashishpatel350 Місяць тому +6

    lol cyberjunk prices are dropping like a rock

  • @Fiidshe
    @Fiidshe Місяць тому +12

    In a fully free market, prices tend to soar when resellers buy up all the available stock. That's why there are often restrictions on the quantity of a single product that an individual can purchase.

    • @Don-is2rl
      @Don-is2rl Місяць тому +3

      This is true for naturally scarce items but in most cases, the scarcity is artificially created by companies to drive up the price. Examples sneakers, drugs, high end luxury cars. How come the Apple Watch or iPhone never run out of stock or have people flipping them for more, neither does a Toyota Camry.

    • @Vysair
      @Vysair Місяць тому +3

      @@Don-is2rldont have to look far, see diamonds and gold.

  • @onerider808
    @onerider808 26 днів тому +2

    It was an intelligence test; you failed it if you bought one. This is the opposite of green, and opposite of truck.

  • @veuxrei
    @veuxrei Місяць тому +1

    That video series about buying a GT3 that was referenced was by Mark Mcann

  • @flammick
    @flammick Місяць тому +3

    What’s the difference between owners flipping and Tesla using dynamic pricing? Both are a response to supply-demand disequilibrium.

    • @Syzygy_Bliss
      @Syzygy_Bliss Місяць тому +2

      More people are disenfranchised from the product if Tesla uses dynamic pricing. But i mean sure, if you’d really love the cyber truck to be sold at double its msrp, i’m sure tesla stock would stop falling.

  • @mike4402
    @mike4402 Місяць тому +22

    This is like buying a house with an HOA and then complaining about the HOA

    • @sneauxday7002
      @sneauxday7002 Місяць тому

      HOA's are the devil and often a mandatory evil, its not like you have a choice (especially in this market)

    • @Syzygy_Bliss
      @Syzygy_Bliss Місяць тому +3

      I’d be surprised if the tesla fanatics who bought the truck read the fine print. Most of what Tesla sells is the image of being hip to trendy tech. That image doesn’t appeal to the type of people who read contracts before signing them. They have too much money and not enough time to care.

  • @stampedetrail2003
    @stampedetrail2003 24 дні тому +1

    Here's the thing though. Tesla has to fulfill their end of the contract too. If they don't, the contract is in question and a buyer might have a shot in court. Tesla has defrauded so many customers, it's only a matter of time before some ticked off owner sues them for breach of contract. And if the contract is breached, guess what - ownership is in question.
    So if you buy a Cybertruck with lots of bells and whistles promised, and you end up without those bells and whistles, ahem, contracto no bueno.

  • @iissac22
    @iissac22 Місяць тому +1

    Everyone trying to buy first and flip for extremely high prices. Dodge charged almost $400,000 for a vehicle that cant even go over 160 (dodge170). Tired of the stupid flipping with no cap or control.

  • @acarp4766
    @acarp4766 Місяць тому +9

    right to repair is dead and now right to resell?

    • @saddestoftimes411
      @saddestoftimes411 12 днів тому +1

      This has been happening with porsche gt cars where people flip for a profit. Porsche is also doing this now to keep the market under control. This is simply done to combat flipping.

  • @legogaara
    @legogaara Місяць тому +12

    @3:33 MKB makes $300,000 sound like someone spending a twenty

    • @seanconklin5707
      @seanconklin5707 Місяць тому +5

      Some people in this stupid world actually live that life where 300k is just 30$ to them

  • @MaxGuides
    @MaxGuides Місяць тому +2

    The contract should be unenforceable because of the First Sale Doctrine, right?

  • @naomiliebson6610
    @naomiliebson6610 13 днів тому

    Used to work for Porsche so i would like to make a few points.
    1. We treat all Porsche owners as VIPs.
    2. There is a whole industry of wealthy asian uni students that come buy a car than at the beginning of semester. When classes are done, they ship them to China and sell then used for a profit.

  • @MrRubme
    @MrRubme Місяць тому +4

    I could listen to this podcast if it’s just Marques.

  • @noway8233
    @noway8233 Місяць тому +3

    Wow , What happened to the Land of Freedom? Funny , really funny😊

    • @rdspam
      @rdspam Місяць тому

      Owners are completely free to agree or not to agree to the terms of the sale. “Freedom” does not mean signing a contract and then just ignoring it.

  • @robertp457
    @robertp457 6 днів тому +1

    I can’t image this being a problem anymore.

  • @pb_and_nutella
    @pb_and_nutella Місяць тому +1

    I get wanting to prevent price gouging, but, that’s not something a company can control unless they want to hold off on selling until they can mass produce their product; here’s the thing, flipping is only a problem if customers don’t like it - if people are *willing* to pay that price then that’s on them, if people won’t pay that marked up price, then flippers can’t flip, it’s not the company’s role to basically sell you partial ownership for full price; idk, I think there has to be a better way to prevent flipping that doesn’t seem so dystopian and egregious, people are losing control/ access to so much that being told that you don’t actually own something that you bought is just offensive

  • @johnekopy
    @johnekopy Місяць тому +4

    Coming from the real estate industry. It's almost like a deed restriction. Your house must be a minimum of 2500 sqft and have 30% brick or stone on this property.

  • @credmoon
    @credmoon Місяць тому +4

    Yea I hate Dealership Markup….

  • @rudySTi
    @rudySTi Місяць тому

    You can get any car for sticker price here in Europe. Even the GT2 RS which was super limited. There are listings at sticker price constantly. M5 CS , M3 CS, GT3 RS all of these are available. The US is messed up

  • @NaudVanDalen
    @NaudVanDalen 4 дні тому

    Dealerships mark up the cars a lot while for example phones are often cheaper at random stores than the original manufacturer because they buy it for a lot less than MSRP and sell it for a little less than MSRP to get more customers.

  • @bigwinmedia5100
    @bigwinmedia5100 Місяць тому +8

    I’m so done with scalping, so I’m fine with this. It’s only for a year. It curbs people buying something just to inflate its price.

    • @TheAtqthe30th
      @TheAtqthe30th Місяць тому

      Yeah also at least you can sell it back to Tesla first and it shouldn't depreciate too much based on the buyback amount. The other thing is that you can put a clause in a contract but doesn't mean it's enforceable(can be nulled in court). I'm curious how this would work in US/Canada.

  • @serialtoon
    @serialtoon Місяць тому +10

    This sets such a bad precedent for corps controlling the user beyond the sale.

  • @HERCULES0070
    @HERCULES0070 Місяць тому +1

    What if I just don't like it and it's not what I thought it was going to be. I'm forced to keep trash. Or what if I'm in a rough situation and I need the money. I understand this prevents people from controlling the market. But it also hurts The person who bought one didn't like it and just wants to get rid of it.

  • @davidfaustino4476
    @davidfaustino4476 5 днів тому +1

    Soooo dealers can flip them for however much profit they want (BS fees) but actual owners have to pay Tesla a VIG???? Make it make sense to me.

  • @Knight_Lyf3
    @Knight_Lyf3 Місяць тому +3

    What if you get cash and say you gave it away that’s not selling 😂😂

    • @TyDaSpace
      @TyDaSpace Місяць тому +2

      either ways, it minimizes the scalpers. One or two people that's okay. It's those that mass buy the stock before everyone else gets a chance and then turns around to start selling just like when the PS5 came out.

    • @mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38
      @mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38 Місяць тому +3

      Then your name would still be on the title. Nobody would pay 100k for a car without the title.

    • @Knight_Lyf3
      @Knight_Lyf3 Місяць тому

      @@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38 they said you can’t sell it they didn’t say anything about giving it to some one

  • @MD_ENTERTAINMENT
    @MD_ENTERTAINMENT Місяць тому +3

    Why would anyone have a problem with flipping, it's business, you get paid, I get paid, thank you very much

  • @vbarreiro
    @vbarreiro Місяць тому +1

    Everyone is asking whether you can buy, sell, or resell a cybertruck and nobody’s asking whether you should.
    Remember: It’s a *car* that *stains* with *water* . Imagine you’re on a date, and it starts raining outside. Your date thinks “oh glad we’re not outside”. You think “Oh no! My cybertruck! If I don’t get it out of the rain now it will stain!” before you are forced to excuse yourself and go either find indoor parking or take it home, where you obsessively wipe window cleaner on it, alone. Do you *really* want that to be you?

  • @GT_KREW
    @GT_KREW Місяць тому +2

    Imagine buying something but not owning it to do what you want with it 🤯🤯

  • @OrganicStuff1
    @OrganicStuff1 Місяць тому +9

    This is some CCP move by Tesla , I like it

    • @MyFriendlyPup
      @MyFriendlyPup Місяць тому

      100% CCP from Elon. Musk has a lot of weight on those granny shoulders.

  • @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
    @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Місяць тому +10

    I have no problem with flippers. You always have the option of simply not buying it over MSRP. If you're willing to spend $300K on a Cybertruck, that's on you.

    • @xerotolerant
      @xerotolerant Місяць тому +1

      I’m with you on that. These are luxury toys. Nobody NEEDS a cyber truck. That being said I’m ok with cooperations selling things with agreements. These things are toys if you don’t like Tesla’s policy don’t buy their product

    • @jackb4
      @jackb4 Місяць тому +7

      The issue is that scalpers will buy all the available stock, and no one will be able to purchase the product at MSRP.

  • @coryernewein
    @coryernewein 9 днів тому +1

    The truck comes without features I paid for and is full of false advertisement, than I think selling it on my terms should be fine🤷

  • @user-vr6pj1lt1s
    @user-vr6pj1lt1s Місяць тому +2

    If I paid for it- IT IS MINE!
    To everyone thinking otherwise- well, you know what to do to yourself.

  • @Jam_Cannon8088
    @Jam_Cannon8088 Місяць тому +5

    Marques is the only person in this video that halfway understands how the world works. It's amazing these others fools get their pants on everyday.

  • @_Super_Hans_
    @_Super_Hans_ Місяць тому +60

    So a company is taking steps to prevent scalping, but because it's Tesla people are crying about it.

    • @theoneandonlybosable
      @theoneandonlybosable Місяць тому +20

      That is an interesting way to look at it, but generally don’t like the idea of a private owner not being able to do what they want with their car. People were mad when dealers were scalping, less so when a person wins. I read this as everyone can win except the “little guy”

    • @RandomPerson-tz7wk
      @RandomPerson-tz7wk Місяць тому

      No, it's not because "it's tesla". It's because PRIVATE company practice of dictating of your property. you buy it, it's yours, no longer theirs. You can do whatever you want to your property. If they don't agree, they can refuse to service you, blacklist you or void warranty.
      The best way to fight scalping is to make more of it. Don't make "limited edition" or other bs marketing. Just flood the market

    • @Scorpiove
      @Scorpiove Місяць тому +1

      Exactly, good job Tesla at preventing this parasitic behavior.

    • @pantta567
      @pantta567 Місяць тому

      It's not really scalping if you can just wait for a little while to get it for cheaper

    • @Problemsolver434
      @Problemsolver434 Місяць тому +7

      If you buy something, you should be allowed to do whatever you want with it because you own it. This has nothing to do with it being Tesla. If you buy something, you should own it without any control or interface from the manufacturer. You shouldn't need permission to sell a product you own

  • @Respectable_Username
    @Respectable_Username Місяць тому +1

    Not allowing people to sell means they're not allowing people to change their minds, which is especially dodgy in a purchase made sight-unseen. We already know Tesla has bad QA; what if your car arrives with a scratch down the side, or you ordered expecting a normal steering wheel but are delivered a stupid yoke? This just means people have to deal with whatever crappy decisions Tesla made for them, putting _way_ too much power in the hands of the seller

  • @Withnail1969
    @Withnail1969 26 днів тому +1

    I dont quite understand, why cant Tesla mass produce a vehicle that was a more or less done design 4 years ago? That isn't how the car industry works as far as I know.

  • @Fanzindel
    @Fanzindel Місяць тому +5

    Isn’t flipping the purest form of capitalism? Let people pay what they want to pay. It only makes the cars and the brand more valuable, no? You can still just get in line and buy the regularly priced item when it’s your turn. Who is hurting here? These are nonessential items. Such a rich people problem…

  • @Nazraq04
    @Nazraq04 Місяць тому

    I'm completely in for blocking flipping.
    I'm completely out on dealerships marking cars up way past MSRP.

  • @SuperNeospace
    @SuperNeospace 12 днів тому

    You can say you hate flipping all you want but until you want something so bad you would pay 2-3x sticker you wont understand the value presented. I paid 875 for a PS5 when it originally came out and I do not regret it. Literally my other option is waiting a year and half for it to become commonplace enough I could reasonably get one. With telsa by the time they "get production up" theyll likely be onto the next thing making everyone who wanted one during that time have lost out.

  • @theEditoers
    @theEditoers Місяць тому

    that outro is so damn smooth. ahhhh