The Eternal Hanamura Hold - Pro Overwatch Analysis
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- When it came time to hold down Hanamura Point B, the Paris Eternal were able to pull off an impressive defense that held strong again and again despite the best efforts of the Valiant to push onto the objective.
At the end of the day, careful planning and coordination from the Paris Eternal were able to help them secure the win and continue to advance further in the Overwatch League rankings before ultimately become the Summer Showdown champions.
In this episode of Behind The Akshon, we take a look at the strategy employed by the Eternal to counter the Valiant's attempts to push onto the site.
were able to pull off an impressive hold on Hanamura Point B against the LA Valiant
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With the Paris Eternal now one of the fan favorites to reach the OWL 2020 finals, which Asian Pacific team would you want to see them face off against?
my dream is to see the Shock, Dragons, Charge, and Eternal just to go at it for a few matches and really see who the best in the league is
Ryan Copenlad NYXL sat the charge down last week ?
@@edenflora19 it a payback by nyxl cuz charge win 3-0 nyxl(summer showdown)
GZ Charge cr0ng Sigma vs Hanbin Sigma would be hella cool
kyieori we do not speak of that match
And people say that ow is not strategic, and I'm really surprised by eternal, I think that they could win owl.
OWL at first can appear chaotic, but like you said there's actually a great deal of strategy, scouting, and planning that the coaches do behind the scenes that often go unappreciated.
@@Akshonesports I agree, the coach can do amazing stuff but they are not as visible as the star player, such a shame.
I've never heard anyone say that ow is not strategic, it's an extremely stupid thing to say for anybody whos played the game.
@@koalasquare2145 I agree
@@sitter2207 I think it's cuz of the bans that are put on to the random characters that they are unable to pick them for a certain amount of days. When that match was played I think lucio and zen where banned from the game.
this feels like a national geographic documentary
Hanbin deserve to be in the discussion for MVP
Or at the very least deserve to be the ROTY
Baron Sengir and fielder’s playing from a different region. Ping King
@@sorin_markov You do know hanbin has the best stats out of any Tank in the league. He's been having stand out performance after stand out performance all season long. So yes he is in the discussion for MVP/ROTY.
@@sorin_markov No it's not debatable, and of those "giants" as you called them, there are tanks too, and clearly hanbin hasn't been doing any worse than them.
He's been the most consistent player for Eternal all season long, has incredible stats and you think him being in the discussion for MVP/ROTY is debatable ? That just blows my mind. I'm not saying he should be MVP, just that his name should be up there as one of the best performers this season.
@@sorin_markov that's still the best stats out of any tank you know. And just check for over 400 hours playtime which is a must have to be in the discussion imo (it's 1/3 of the max playtime you can have basically) and he ends up first in final blows, 3rd in damage, 4th in elims and 5th in solo kills, choi being the only one close to him in the stats, but you'd do well to consider shock only lost 3 times the entire season while paris lost 7 matches, meaning he's been putting this kind of stat with a winrate way lower than shock's.
Yes he's dying a bit more than the tanks that stay alive the most, but he's still 10th out of 45 with over 400 hours played, that's not so bad. He also dies barely less than Choi, and that's also the only stat where he's behind cr0ng who you put as a candidate iirc while he dwarfs him on every other stat.
@@sorin_markov right now, Hanbin's sigma stats are 1st in final blows, 1st in eliminations, 1st in hero damage, 3rd in solo kills and around middle for deaths for any amount of time played above 35 minutes. His dva stats are also consistently amongst the highest, across the board, compared to the off tanks. If you don't consider this guy one of the best off tanks or even THE potential best off tank right now, you're out of your mind. (all stats from stats lab on owl website)
I just discovered this channel and I have to say that besides the fact the commentary is great, the editing of these videos is just fantastic. Well done!!!
Thank you!
This is like watching an action movie
I love everyone of these videos, each one is so well made
I feel sorry for Sparkle and Hanbin, their back literally broke :(
FDGod is a lit dude tho
Didn't understand ksp's dragon in the match they looked so silly,now I understand
OK, might be a dumb question, but couldn't KSP have just ulted the high ground to force Valiant off of it?
Can you make an analysis on the shock and titans game I couple days ago?
Also I love your work 👌
That was such a brutal and one sided game it might be illegal to even show on UA-cam
Look at Ksp’s face after that he looks so defeated
Is that rain world’s soundtrack in the background?
“This is executed perfectly” and “able to survive thanks to immortality field” shouldn’t be in the same sentence
If only Valiant knew about Mei walls or Sym ult
See this is exactly what we will lose when overwatch goes to 5v5
Anyone noticed that they could’ve ran dive
lovw the vids keep it up :)
I think splitting apart their team to deal with the other groups would have worked better. 1 Hanzo dealing with the sigma and bap was never going to work
By the time I'm watching this video has 0 dislikes
Can we keep it like that please ?
Unique hold? Every team has done this since the existence of orisa sigma
Why sigma's neck like that
The quality of these videos is amazing
My guy you haven't watched the video yet...the video was uploaded under 2 mins ago and its 8 mins long...
@@Ferro_Thorns hes talking about the vids in general
@@Ferro_Thorns every video is great so what's your point?
@@OurLance where did i say ANYTHING about the videos being "bad"?
@@Ferro_Thorns you said he hasn't watched the video yet I'm which he didn't need to because all his videos are great, you saying that he hasn't watched the video yet is saying that you think this one might be bad
Guys let's be honest but Hanbin is 100% one of the candidats for MVP
ofc hes had way too many vids on him to not be noticed
Minimum rookie of the year or mvp
XZI, sparkle, hanbin, fielder and fdgod are all mvp candidates
I think chipsa is more of a candidate. He's one of the only players to still have a 100% win rate.
@@tomcrawford8326 fielder and sp9 maybe not cause they started the season very late and xzi was out for a lot of weeks, but i agree for hanbin and fd
Just wanna say that I love these videos. The quality is constantly rising despite the world being in chaos. Really brings light to alot of our days
It's a dark time for OWL content creation if the biggest channels are still Stylosa and YourOverwatch who pivoted to more games like Hyperscape and VALORANT now.
Edit: RIP Overwatch Central who are now all in on VALORANT but just again another rip off of the Your Overwatch format of stuff
ADC Rengar YourOverwatch was really bad anyway, 10 minutes of explaining something that could be explained in 2 minutes
i'm french and i tell you thank you because this video is so clean and when you are a fan of paris it's very appreciable !!!
you're really good in analyse
Also known as how getting 4 dragon blades in 5 fights helps hold 2CP.
This literally the best ow series on UA-cam.
I think KSP should have switched to a more brawly character to be able to better take on the close range group
Yeah, a brawler close range comp would have obliterated that defensive comp.
A hardstuck plat is telling pro teams what to switch to LMFAO
one shot doom
Static Outlaw, bet you aren’t higher than diamond
Static Outlaw mate, you don’t need to be a high rank to know about the game lmfao
Ever since 2-2-2 role lock, big six v six clumped up teamfights have been less and less popular
That's a good thing
why do you think that that is?
wich is great
@@sorin_markov that is to maximize the angles to exploit the choke. Hanamura has weirdly strong chokes.
It's mostly because of the meta shift. Before role lock the meta was goats, where you have a lot of close range brawl characters. In brawl you essentially run into the enemy team so your Rein can swing into them. Now meta is double shield, where you poke out the enemy team. The poke style has more long range heroes who can play split and still support each other (mainly Bap, who can provide a lot of healing from far away).
You should do that Philadelphia vs Los Angeles match reverse sweep.
CX Moyer lmao he just has to say that gladiators main problem is kevster and some other problems
Yes, how the Glads completely dominated the Fusions. I would take Eichenwalde to show the Genji domination, where the Fusions couldnt find any weakness in LA.
Yea, but the fusion reverse swept the glads.
Ex how in the hell is gladiators main problem kevster??? he’s been playing incredible AND he’s still on 200 ping
CX Moyer Yeah, but the first two maps where the Glads dominated, were very one sided. Not close at all. And when Philly reversed, all the three maps were really close.
I’m always shocked at the quality of these vids. Keep it up
Appreciate the nice comment. Thanks!
Can you do a video on the Philadelphia reverse sweep against the gladiators?
Bro thats just classic philly making it 5 rounds 😂
ksp was kind of the lynch pin in valient's strat. if ksp got more picks they probably could've gotten at least a tick, but he did his best so it still comes down to positioning and cooldowns and stuff
They never gave him adequate sightlines. He couldn't commit.
"This title displays very nice wordplay, if it was intentional." -English teacher
Hanbin's positioning and skill as Sigma really held this hold together
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Hello there!
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I love this series. One thought, what if you brought on someone like sideshow for a segment at the end of the video about how to counter the strategy outlined in the video. Sideshow (or any other strategically minded overwatch community member) could have shown what valiant SHOULD have done to counter paris. just a thought. keep it up!
Love these vids I'd love if you could keep making more
Me talking to valient: all you had to do was swap to symetra and just use her tp
@@fredhenzell-thomas6448 the way it works is that, they will tp to the point, I want them to at least two shields so they can block the damage, rein and orisa or sigma. Moira for extreme healing and Lucio to just heal while doing damage. Paris must come to the point or it will be a c9. And rein can just swing and kill. The Lucio would get a lot of ult charge from how much damage the tanks may get. But the Moira should just keep them alive unless they are a dps Moira. With how much damage rein can do and the heals. Paris would PROBALLY crumble under all the damage. You may think what about genji? as I told the Lucio. And you may say brig. Well rein will just overpower her. So technically this should work. But I don't know. It is just in my head.
That is what I think is the best approach.
Yeah, idk why they didn't do that but i'm happy that paris eternal won :D
Only if it was that easy. Sym only works on first point and for snowballing second.
Hanbin and Fielder could easily stop Sym set up tp.
Ryan Yao just wanna know how will the tp will be stop?
5:37 “Hanbin’s respawn timer is up.” But Hanbin was alive during the whole duration of this fight.
I think he meant "As this happen" ( means the fight ) Hanbin just respawn when they started fighting
@@teeeee but when did he die lol
@@velocities8242 What?
@@teeeee When did Hanbin respawn? Did he mean to refer to Fielder, who was killed by Shax?
@@velocities8242Oh I think what he means is as both teams starts to colied and fight each others. Hanbin also just got respawn which allow him to joins the fight. as for fielder. He joins only when the fight is about to end or ended
I love that the title doubles for the long hold they did as well as their team name.
Valiants had no chance. Fielder's healing was godlike and needless to say his fields. And the coordination they had and the preparation for every single scenario just made the Valiants have no choice but to overwhelm one side, but it was not possible.
Yay akshon! I think the valiant could have used mei wall or sym teleporter to flank wide to the left across the gap and collapse on hanbin and feilder to take them out early and secure the team fight.
Legend says the valiant are still trying to make the push
I feel like the hanzo pick was too weak, his kit doesn't allow him to really target tanks as well as other dps. I believe that a mei would. Have been really strong against Paris. Mei could freeze the bap and allow tracer to finish him, then target sigma, and ultilizing meis wall, they could have also cut off the sigma half from the orisa half.
And this is why the LA Valiant won't make it to the OWL 2020 finals, at best the semi finals and lose to the Fusion, Shock or Eternal
Wasn't mei nerfed to the ground? I feel I can no longer compete with her current state RN.
I always click on these videos first on my feed, it is such incredible quality, more in depth than multi billion dollar tv broadcasts like espn when ever going through plays and strategies, love the content keep up the amazing work!!
this is an example of... playing 2CP on attack, poor valiant
Love it when I’m early
Notification squad!
I love ur videos they are so in depth and helps me understand plays that I don't while watching it live
Very nice video
You should take a look at Paris Attack vs Toronto, on Anubis point A. Paris lost their 2 dps and still manage to win the team fight thanks to a very smart rotation. Probably one of the most strategic victory. BenBest confirmed that all was voluntary. Looking at it using top view is just mind blowing. Would be very nice if you could do a video of it.
"The shamata Leader has returned"
My biggest takeaway from this is Immortality Field is still busted
First
The only real way to counter this play on high ground is all going heroes that can go across the left side void. Something like dva monkey genji hanzo mercy lucio, that way they don’t get caught in the pincer, and only half of paris is there to fight, effectively making it a 6v3. Now it’s possible the rest of the team rotate around to help them, but by the time they do they’re most likely already dead and the valiant have a successful push off. Of course opening picks could be used as well, but since the team plays in groups of 3, it would be really hard to get a successful flank off without dying to one of them.
Did somoene saw the diference with the real map? 0:43 Is that me or they are too many lamps in the point?
Those are the lamps on the floor below the point. The angpe of the camera makes it look like there are 2 more lamps on the point
I love these vids they help me make mine
KSP absolutely tossing this game
Here’s how I, a person that’s pretty bad at OW, would try to get past Eternals hold.
Like you showed, when the Valient pushed the Orisa-Genji group, they just backed off, and then killed them with dragon blade. What I would do is, knowing that they would back off when they get pushed, is to save Hanzos dragon strike for the Orissa group.
So they would push the Orisa group, which would make them back down the stairs again, but while they are pushing Hanzo would aim his ult at the bottom of the stairs. Now the Eternal would be trapped just like the Valient was the first push. If they killed that group, then they could easily walk onto the point, and now the Sigma-Baptiste group would be stuck where they were.
Basically what I said is, Valient should have used Hanzos ult on the Orisa group, not the Sigma group.
They should have gone Symm and teleported behind Hanbin and his crew. A hard 6v3 push would have netted 1-2 kills, maybe 3. Mei for a wall to deny escape/brigg health packs/orissa pull.
Could have gone with a 3v3 as well with reaper/Winston/Lucio vs the sigma group and Doomfist/sigma/brig vs the orisa group ...with reaper dealing so much dmg to sigma or even lucio booping him off the HG so that reaper can basically deal with him on lower ground .with bap forced to either fight winston and lucio or backing off to help the sig ..it would create so much chaos
5:38 There's a mistake here, Hanbin didn't die, Fielder did, and so it should say that Fielder's respawn timer is up, not Hanbin's.
You didn’t mention that in the first push sp9rk1e dodged a pulse bomb, other than that amazing video dude.
(I don’t actually think you forgot maybe you just didn’t feel like it was too important anyway i love you guys)
I honestly believe junkrat is a sleeper pick on hanamura attack. In this scenario specifically instead of the hanzo in the downstairs doorway, a junk rat would've been better as he could apply pressure to not only the top right stairs but also the bottom right of it two, dealing the neccessary damage but i'm hard stuck silver tank so....
Wouldn't it have been possible to counter it with a simple brawl lucio and speed onto their sigma? Since they miss a lucio they will be slower and since the orisa group is sort ranged, the only thing that will happen is a bit of poke from genji and orisa, but a bap should negate that damage. I dont mind the strat but I think it should have been better to have the sigma group consist of people with good vertical mobility so they could bait the other team in getting them off of highground, then getting back onto highground and poking them down from 2 sides. (highground and bridge)
Personally, I would've put KSP on sym to flank Fielder and Hanbin, catching them even more off guard, and giving them a real chance
They could’ve done a switch to symmetra. She isn’t particularly good but she’s effective against shields and her teleporter could’ve been used to get behind the Sigma stack and eliminate them
Great video. I think it would be even greater if you made suggestions on how they could've worked around it, (if it's even possible without a lucio).
The only thing I took from that video is that immortality field is broken. Hurts my soul to see a dragon halt combo perfectly executed just to be nullified by a single ability that isn't even an ult.
When I read the title I thought it was going to be some super strong attack and defense paradox where neither team can win if they do said specific comp making the eternal game.
i think you guys were missing the point of the dragonstrikes. They were not to kill sigma and baptiste, but to allow valiant to push into high ground by cutting off sig and bap, and then forcing orisa and her friends to move off of highground because the dragon is headed towards them too.
I kind of think pushing the long range is better because the close range comp only got Genji to close that gap fast. But still, without a Lucio, they can’t push at a faster pace.
Not to discredit the Eternal but the Valiant were so bad here. They could have tried to just Symmetra Teleport straight into the window or on the left hand side instead of going Hanzo Tracer over and over.
Who would come out on top? Shanghai Dragon's Hanamura Attack VS Paris Eternal's Hanamura Defense?
I wonder what would have happened if KSP had switched of hanzo for reaper and ported on the sigma/baptise/Widow from over the gap behind
Who Would win
Perfectly executed ultimate+pull combo
or
Baptiste pressing E on the ground
What they should have done is have ksp with them at the choke and dragon strike across the high ground towards Hanbin and basically cut them off for a while, then push 6 on 3 to the high ground and then push onto point
2 CP is the worst game in overwatch period, so punishing for the attackers if they can't push, or the defences needs to keep stalling one by one if the attackers manage to push to the point.
The coaches for paris are so extremely big brained. The synergy of this team is too insane. If there is a team that could keep up with the shock its this team. Shanghai is just coordinated - this is so much more than that.
Hanbin > cr0ng
I’m 129:th
I never get bored of those analysis video, even after 5 views.
Maybe because i need 10 to understand what s happening
love this channel keep it up
Thanks, will do!
A symmetry flank in side could have worked because they were spread out so It would be 3v6
BRIGETA-- What does the scanner say about their power levels?!?
I cant believe Fielder play with 250 ping ms with this ki d if big lag and be able to do great baptiste drone and anna sleep.
Its also about ultimate. If sparkle didnt have ult everyfight they wouldnt have won a fight
Ok I love these Vids but pls learn how to pronounce the OWL Players Names properly
Damn ow1 feels so good
Thanks for this amazing video
Hanbin for me is the Rookie of the Year
Are you kidding me ? He's for sure the MVP !!! 😊
Another awesome vid
ok in order fo the valiant to push trough they should have just won the fights lol
I love the videos but you guys manage to say almost every name wrong it’s han-bin not Han-bean
Just wondering wouldn’t rein lucio and Zarya just run thru this?
So pretty much this was the same tactic that let Hannibal run rampant through Italy for a while.
Not gonna lie sparkle is op
Sym tp to the left and force sigma off the highground and have Hanzo kill stuff
symmetra and a 6 stack left push is what I would have tried