ThatDudeInBlue Upgrades from Procharger to VMP TVS
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2019
- Are you trying to decide which supercharger to put on your Mustang?
In this video, we invited David, AKA ThatDudeInBlue and his 2013 Mustang GT, AKA Smurrf to the VMP ranch.
Already equipped with a Procharger, we did a baseline pull with Smurrf to get a horsepower number with the centrifugal supercharger.
Next, we installed our VMP Gen2R 2.3 L TVS.
Finally, we equipped Smurrf with a VMP Gen3 2.65 L TVS to see just how much horsepower the 2013 GT had in it.
VMP parts in this video include:
✪ VMP Gen2R TVS Stage 2 Kit - bit.ly/Gen2RStage2kit
✪ VMP Gen3 TVS Stage 3 Kit - bit.ly/VMPStage3Kit
✪ VMP Custom Tune - bit.ly/VMP11Tune
✪ VMP 88 mm Pulley - bit.ly/VMP88mmPulley
✪ VMP 85 mm Pulley - bit.ly/85MMPulley
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I like how Justin was respectful of the competition. Plenty of salesman will simply run the other guy down.
Classy. 👍
Exactly! NOTHING turns me off a product more than their slagging the opposition - they can point out weaknesses, fair enough, but many just go overboard!
I said the same thing.
He did asswipe! Not with words only by exalting his product over the comp (down playing the comp) and giving the blue a freebie 😉😆
@@DrewPWebos wow. Upset much?
@@burkeyatm u know im right 😉😁
Just wanted to get out a BIG THANKS to Justin Starkey of VMP. I wanted to pick up a TVS kit at the show and he grabbed a cart in the warehouse and put one together for me on the spot. Great customer service and a CLASS act. Thanks again.
Hey Kurt! Thanks for the kind words. We appreciate your business! - Max
Your welcome! -Justin
@@VMPPerformanceTV whats a good starter for a 2013 gt auto. Don't have a lot of money for something like this for now. But looking to get there. I hope 20 years it took me to get another mustang since my first. Always wanted another 1. But life happened. Thanks for videos tho.
How does this channel only have 11,000 subscribers?
YTs algorithm sucks. Is the primary reason why. Forces channels to grow slowly over time
@@Josh-hr5mc care to explain? i never herd that before
@@chriswhynder8311 This subject I would say Google it. UA-cam algorithm. It's funky for lack of better words. But definitely something worth reading.
Justin is the type of guy I would buy from... And tell everyone else about him. Confident in his product without bashing others. I can dig it.
Clean install. Great factory appearance look. Definitely would like to have one of those on my 2013 Deep impact blue GT.
Always a VMP
Supercharger fan!!
Great cinematography in this video!
Thank you!
This VMP guy is always on point!
Best upgrade yet!
Great editing on this video 🙌🏻
At 9:47 that POWER and WHINED From the motor💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🤦🏾♂️🤯 love that noise.
VMP makes a excellent product. So does Procharger. My F1A makes 1100hp+ at only 12psi while spinning the Procharger to only 2/3 of it's capability. To be fair comparing a gen 2 or gen 3 VMP to a P1SC isn't a fair comparison.
U said it better than I...
The MVP here is the MT82 and clutch... Taking 700hp like a champ
I love my Gen 2R
Going E85 this spring can’t wait!
Great video guys!
Going to order the Sai Li kit.
Have id100’s.
Check out my dyno pull on my channel. No lack of sound here haha
Seeing David running the VMP was awesome, Im waiting for the 2018 GT Gen3 kit. Im in California, may need to ship the car out to you guys tho...coming in the next few months right? Im ready when you guys are.
You were talking apple to apple comparison?!
8psi procharger vs 12 psi for gen3..
Now do it with a 12 psi procharger: quite curious to see the outcome!
They're running the biggest pulley they have dude the gen 3 is just a bigger more efficient blower which is why it sees 12 psi. It wasn't like a vmp vs procharger video they were just comparing the setups to see the difference the gen2r was running around the same boost they had similar peak and way more torque which was the point in that comparison. The gen 3 is just the blower he went with they wasn't comparing it to the procharger the gen2r was a more equal comparison to the procharger. It was just showcasing the differences between the powerbands and stuff.
3.5" pulley on my P1X Procharger Coyote. 760whp.
Is that all you have done to the car?
Good power what is your torque 500? Nobody ever mentions torque when they're procharged lol.
Awesomeness!
Nice man. How has your MT82 held up over the years? Are you still on stock oil pump gears?
I just ordered a VMP GEN2R for my 17 GT yesterday.
Nice 👍🏼 that’s crazy !!!
You never said how much max timing was for the VMP. Would like to compare the two
what head unit were you using ......if it's a p1sc procharger this test never stood a chance...lol....I would love to see a race with a better suited centrifugal....like a d1sc or maybe an f1a
My VMP Gen3 is quiet on my 2012. No whine at all.
I have a vmp gen 3r on my 17 mustang with a 88mm pully on 93. Its scary fast.
Those are big numbers on a 85mm pulley. I was running low 500's on mine with a CAI, Headers, Hi Flow H Pipe. I didn't start pulling those numbers till we went down to 79mm.
I have a 17 GT with a GEN2R on the 85MM. On VMP’s dyno it made 611 RWHP and 479 torque.
How did your numbers compare before you went to the 79mm?
I meant how did your torque numbers compare?
@@AB-coyote 450 ish on the 85 to 540 ish on the 79. Keep in mind you have a newer 5.0.
Stomp at 40 in second gear should get you sideways with those instant TQ numbers,especially w/o dragradials.Maybe clutch slipping.I,d think you would need a McLeod upgrade with that weight and that much additional power.
was that on a stock block? cuz i am going to buy a stage 2 after my deployment. and am not sure of all i need
I'm a turbo guy forsure and my car will stay turbo 4th gen bodys and turbos are the best lol but after i drove my buddy's 830whp 13' caddy cts v coupe it changed my life and and my ol lady loved it to so her 09 G8 gxp got the LSA blower swap with jokerz chaos port job and BTR cam & valve train treatment,E85 and enough fuel pump and injectors to support 1000+whp but it's still a stock bottom end ls3 and my wife has been daily driving now for 4 months so we stopped at 640whp its pretty damn mean 4000 pound hot rod even with the baby soft tune. Built motor coming this winter
So, It sounds like the gen 3 is a bad ass supercharger. Making me glad I ordered it. I’ll be happy if my 03 cobra get 620.
An 03 cobra with a gen 3 can easily do 650 rwhp on 93 octane. What did your numbers end up being?
@@midnight347 732 hp & 702 tq
R u still running the stock clutch, David?
Man these cars break in well
You mentioned that not all pump gas (93) is created equal. Is there one you would recommend as better?
Any problems with the Boss intake rubbing against the hood? Any figment issues?
How about you tell us what type of procharger you have? P1SC or D1SC?
i love the supercharger by the way i love the extra hp and torque
Is that a RODE directional mic? It sounds pretty decent for being 5 yrs old
Whats the pros and cons of a procharger vs pros and cons of a tvs?
...let's bend some rods!!!
So, then let’s break the oil pump gears?
@@Metal_Stacking coyotes still explode!
@@Metal_Stacking Lmfao
@@Metal_Stacking true
Would like to have seen a MPH comparison too. :)
Was the procharger inter-cooled?
You seem very satisfied with the Gen3 -R what did the Gen-2 R cost different and also did you go with dual spal fan. Bring it to the track to see what numbers different between the to supercharger. I’am following you on UA-cam for wild .Congrats man!
That was a gen 3 not a gen3R. There a little different!
an overlay off the 3 graf would have been nice, other then that ,the video is nicely setup,
regards
Sören
Thanks for watching, Sören! Glad you enjoyed.
Is the "VMP Gen2R TVS Stage 2 Kit" considered the "Loki" now?
I wonder how much you sold that procharger?
What other mods are done to the car?
I'm mad that I giggled at that squirrel
why?
@@VMPPerformanceTV my inner child came out
Would of like to see a cooled down Procharger compared to hot or 3 / 4 pulls with the vmp so we could see how quick it gets hot and how much power it loses from heat because he drove a long time boosted around then showed up dynoed and still put crazy numbers down let’s see the vmp do that and this is a base Procharger they also make bigger units
Hey Picazo, that's a good idea, we can do it next time. We stated in the video the Procharger was down some because David had seen 630rwhp at one point on another dyno. We also stated it wasn't taking much timing.
It made less because of heat soak they would make similar peak numbers at the same boost in the same conditions. The vmp isnt gonna lose nearly as much power as youre making it seem like it would not if you have the proper dual fan heat exchanger. Yes it will heat soak a little more than a procharger maybe but the difference is negligible. Serious racers go w procharger and stuff because every .001 of a second matters to serious racers...doesnt mean its gonna blow vmp out the water in the real world. Theyre gonna be similar peak power wise at the same boost but the vmp has way more torque. Different strokes for different folks. Nobody is dissing procharger they certainly have their place its all in what you want. 700 wheel is plenty enough to go very fast in this car
really wish VMP made some products for the 4.6
Dave's 2005 modified Mustang Gt
Kenne bell Whipple vortech
Why go to the 88mm pulley on the gen 3 that’s not a fair comparison ?92mm would be closer in boost!
DIB had to get his car done so he could do some reviews, so we didn't want to delay him from doing his thing.
I heard comments that your superchargers run cooler than Roush. By how much is the average difference?
Take it to the track. My buddies slow charged yellow jacket was still pulling vacuum at 4000 rpm, unlike my 2010 challenger with the kenne bell which had max boost at 2000 rpm.
Did u have stock fuel system?
Coolest car there is rebecca's drag only 11 5.0 at 1200wheel gen3r.
so was this a Procharger P1 SC ? ok so now campare these roots style superchargers against the F1 series Prochargers just for fun
Lopez Bunch right lol. Can’t compare a small centi blower to a pretty decent sized roots.
That is the blower David was running they were comparing what he was running to what he installed now. Just to show difference in power band and stuff nobody is dissing procharger everyone knows you will make plenty of power and be fast with a procharger its the powerband that is drastically different some just like the instant torque and power of tbe vmp blowers thats why he switched it up they just did a little comparison showing what they done and what this blower he had does against the blowers theyre showing of theirs. Its not a perfect test i dont think it was meant to be just documenting what happened.
Looking at the chart @ 12:18 , wouldn't swapping a smaller pulley on the gen2(72mm or 79mm) create more boost and create the HP numbers of the gen3 with (88mm/12psi) combo?
Sort of but it would be a vicious cycle... 79mm isn't worth much, only 1psi, go too small and you need more octane. A 72mm would make 14-15psi and require higher octane to make the same power as a gen3. The more efficient blower still wins.
Man its been 20 years since I've got another mustang gt. Got 2013 2 months ago. Now looking for parts to start my fun. Just hope I can find some cheap ways to make my car faster. Its a gt but has glass top. So not to sure about how to go about it. Or whats out there as a good starting point have Roush c-air intake and exhaust. But stock auto car.
you guys should make one for a Polaris Slingshot! :)
Procharger has one.
Hey VMP I am planning on ordering a Gen 2 r kit through LMR. When ordering through a re-seller is the tune still included? I added on the SCT x4 as I know the kit does not come with the tuner device itself but I am wanting to be sure that you guys still include the tune. Also does the 1 step colder plugs come in that kit? I know on your website you can choose but LMR doesnt offer the choices of plug and add ons you guys have listed. Also just for information purposes I am running through LMR as I found a 6% coupon code and am adding on a fluidyne radiator and billet oil pump gears. Will those need to be accounted for in the tune? Or is there a better format for me to send these questions? Any information would be awesome!
UPDATE: I Bought a supercharger from VMP! Cant wait to start the build this weekend.
What's the difference between Loki, Odin, and Gen3R? Is the TVS3100 still happening, or was that rotor pack abandoned?
Good morning! Loki and Odin are two kit configurations of the same Odin supercharger for different horsepower goals. Loki being the simpler of the two kits for lower goals and Odin being the kit configured for folks who plan on turning the car up once it's supercharged.
Gen3R is a rear feed blow-down supercharger similar to the factory superchargers utilized on GT500s and Cobras that we offer as a upgrade for those vehicles, as well as a Roush upgrade, and standalone kit for '11-'17 Coyote platforms.
3100X is definitely coming, as the rotor set was announced this past week at SEMA. Stay tuned for more information on that.
What axle ratio is in the car?
Hey VMP, are you guys having another Dyno day anytime soon?
Heat... with the procharger one can still do a road course and keep it much cooler. and its everyday driver
The tvs doesn't make that much heat when you have a proper cooling system. The vmp blowers are very efficient they aren't these heat soaking things people try to act like they are. Tvs are awesome for street cars daily or otherwise. It just depends on how you want your power curve and which look and sound you like best.
Sorry if I missed it, but what fuel was being used? I'm guessing with 12 psi, and 700+ it was E85.
12psi on 93
Is VMP Ford only?
4” pulley on my D1X 408 stroker and 887rwhp, 792 torque. It all depends on what Procharger you use.
408 stroker vs a 302(modular ) I mean of course you made good power
The p1sc is the smallest procharger. Mine makes 753whp at 9 psi... I've seen loys of whipple guys run into the knock sensor issue with how loud they are. Granted tvs is quieter, I have one in my raptor. As long as you are happier that's all that matters in the end.
I looked into a VMP for my 02 Ford Harley F-150. After plenty of research I found out it's cheaper to just go with a KB or Whipple because of all the stuff I need to get aside from the TVS.
Do u wanna sell your boss 302 intake?
Looking to install the Gen II-R Stage 1 on my 2013 next month. Curious how it will respond to the altitude in Denver and 91 octane fuel?
Go 2-3 pulley sizes smaller to make up for the thin air
@@VMPPerformanceTV Thanks...that's what I was thinking. Will be placing an order in a few weeks...will talk to the tech when I place the order.
With the pro charger set up, did you ever replace oil pump gears? Thinking about going with a Paxton on my BOSS. What have you learned on wether to replace them or not? Will you go to upgraded oil pump gears with the root blower?
At this power level they are not needed.
Have you done much turbo>supercharger compounding test work? Might be an option for some of the smaller engined cars that need the bottom, and top, end torque?
I like what you guys do at vmp but when shopping for a supercharger i dont understand your site why ask if i want this and that why not just give a complete kit thats already build directly from you guys?
check out kits here: www.vmpperformance.com/superchargers/supercharger-kits/vmp-kits
How much to do that ???
Any idea on when you will release one for a 18/19?
Keep an eye on our social channels for updates!
I’m salivating to see your 18-2020 kits, please get some more info out so I can sleep at night
That's cute now install the f1a procharger on it and compare
even a P1x out performs that gen 3. i know switched mine out, lower intake heat and more useable power through out the band. threw my gen 3 in the scrap bin. will never buy an other over priced pos from them again.
Theodore can you tell me more I'm about to buy a super charger
@@sbkickz504 with a Pro-charger you move heat away from the engine. a super charger like style of the vmp runs a heat exchanger built into the intake manifold where heat rises from the engine. you never see guys running these blowers in a race application just do to the fact that they aren't as efficient. they run hotter due to heat soak from the engine and they arent built like a procharger. look at the R&D for both companies and the time they have been around. Procharger has teams in all categories. you dont have a heat exchanger sitting on top of the engine. you have an intake that flows better and also disapates heat better. you can run a air to water intercooler or an air to air. i run an air to water on my daily driven/ strip 2016 mustang. and when i switched to a Procharger P1DX i gained power through out and lowered my air inlet temps by 24 degrees after the car got heat into it. there is a long list of pros and cons to both options. but major racing guys in mustangs either run a procharger or turbos for a reason and not a screw type offer like vmp for many reasons.
@@YouvBeenThumped 🤣🤣🤣 his wife will be in the 7s in her "non track non race application" get a clue bro
@@Rob... Right buddy There is nothing street about going 7s lol wont even pass tech. Maybe you should get a clue "bro" dont come on here and try to talk smack keyboard warrior. i have over 20 years in racing and building race cars. 7s in the eight mile maybe. but never in the quarter on a bs lie street car. grow up kiddo
How much?
I have an ls1 camaro and wanted to go procharger, would a blower really be that much more powerful?
Procharger is a blower just a centrifugal blower. Imo yes the tvs is better but the vmp stuff is very good some other cars don't have tvs superchargers this awesome for theor platform. Procbarger can make good power but by nature the torque will be much less as boost builds with rpm...just the nature of the beast. I think tvs is better for a street car but everyone likes different things.
I want that for my 21 Mach 1!
Hey Allen, we actually offer a couple of kits for the 18+ and up cars such as your '21 Mach 1. It's our Odin and Loki kits. You can see more about them at the following link. www.vmpperformance.com/superchargers/supercharger-kits/mustang
@@VMPPerformanceTV I just need to afford one.
If i got a gen 3 on my 2018 gt would i need to upgrade anything else on my car or would the gen 3 be fine on its own
Thanks for the question! Then Gen3 and subsequent Gen3R actually do not fit on the '18+ Mustang GT due to clearance with the direct injection components that were added on the '18 and up Coyote engines. It was the reason behind the creation of the Odin supercharger and the Odin and Loki kits. Both of these kits could be installed on the car with no additional modifications and do quite well on their own.
I want the Gen 3 on my 2013 GT! 😭
Oh man..seriously thinking of a GEN3 2.65 kit as a replacement for my stock GT500.....very impressive for a stock high mileage coyote...700+ hp..just wow!
step up to a big procharger and see 800/900 wheel.
8:37 Hahahaha!
So you guys are trusting the gen 1 motor for 700, 12 psi is about the max right?
yes!!
Mine is pushing 750 rwhp still going strong
People were rocking 700 RWHP on 03-04 Cobras for years and years before they miles started catching up with them.
@@Josh-hr5mc 03 cobra had a stronger bottom end than a gen 1 coyote though. 03 cobras can do 800-1000 rwhp depending on the setup and if it's a blower or a turbo.
@thatdudeinblue
You look like an amish guy that traded in the horse carriage for a stang
How come you guys don’t sell used kits
We actually do! Give us a call 321-206-9369 to see what we have available! - Max
Not a fair comparison first the Procharger on his car is the entry level p1sc and you put it against a gen 3 vmp? Try doing it with my car it has a D1X Procharger making 14psi and made 809whp and 590tq SAE smoothing on 100 octane.
Prochargedbeast48 and he drove the Procharger forever then dyno it got right as he showed up the vmp was cool a vmp with the same trip would be super hot and lose power that’s the problem with the vmp heat
Those are great numbers on your coyote! I bet its a blast on the street. I wonder what David's car would make with race gas??
On pump 93 my car makes 767 at the same boost level on a conservative tune but what I was saying the comparison wasn’t really good between a p1sc blower that is old compared to the gen 3 vmp.
This is with a stock gen 2 coyote eventually I will build the block to really see what this D1X can do the vmp gen 3 is no joke I’m not knocking it makes great tq down low.
I concur, should've compared VMP Gen 3 to a D-1X Procharger to be fair. And because the power band of centrifugal superchargers are linear, it allows you to put the power down more effectively compared to a positive displacement blower that make instant torque, causing traction issues off the line. D-1X Procharger also doesn't generate as much heat as positive displacement blower (heat soak), and doesn't have as much as parasitic HP/TQ loss as a positive displacement blower.
Hey i have an 11 5.0 with Built Boss motor and Gen3r 79mm pulley, vmp tune, e85. Car drives great, but just started occasionally stalling and when i go to start it up it will stall again unless i give it throttle, then its fine and drives great. It happens intermittently and just stalls and when i try and start it up it stalls again unless i give it throttle. Then all of a sudden it's fine and no problems, but after a while or maybe a few days it does same thing again. Put brand new plugs in and it still does it intermittently..I cant figure it out. What you think it is. Is it in the current vmp tune or what. Thanks
Hey Maximus. Tunes don't change over time, so if it was fine before but is having issues now, that wouldn't be tune related. Our recommendation would be to shoot over an email in your tuning ticket to see about taking a log to assist with identifying what's going on.
Please tell me you put OPG's in that high mileage coyote before you did this...
Mustang Man what’s an opg? Sorry for the newb question
@@norwoodaerialimaging9795 Oil Pump Gear. Boosted coyote's really should get an upgrade to the billet forged one's because they are much stronger than the OEM cast one's.
It’s not really the power that breaks them it’s more of how you drive the car, he probably doesn’t beat the car up or stay on the rev limiter all the time
@@buckeyeman7631 bumping the rev limiter is what actually breaks the oil pump gears not horsepower. Shaun Perry @ AED proved this with his stock engine and made in excess of 1,000 rwhp
Any chance you guys can produce a tech video explaining WHY the TVS blowers produce better torque off the bottom end than the average twin screw? I’ve searched and searched the webs and there’s really not much RELIABLE info out there
I think we can make that happen!
VMPPerformance AWESOME! Than you!
You forgot to add heat soak is way worse in the vmp I would like to see a long drive then put it on the dyno the way you put the Procharger and watch the temperature just sore unlike the Procharger unit
Our VMP kits come with a dual fan, triple pass, heat exchanger standard to make sure they don't heat soak excessively, on the street or on the track.
200whp is 200whp man... Don't hate
The vmp blower is far superior to procharger too. Much more usable power band.
@@danadamczyk3295 that dude up there is always discrediting someone or talkin shit or something every time i turn around. He spouts off these big statements trying to sound like an expert or something but sometimes just shows how much he doesnt know lol
@@michaelharris748 yup I like how vmp shut him down too lol. I'm pretty sure the guys who engineer these beautiful PD blowers invest in cooling upgrades too Haha.
Great video I have a question. What would be the average price of one of these kits installed on my 2014 Mustang GT. I know different mechanics will charge different prices But what am I looking at 9 grand 10 grand? Thanks
For a VMP Gen3 installed at our shop it costs $9,800 for the supercharger kit and installation.
@@VMPPerformanceTV where are you located? I'd like to go with this set up on a 2020 s550. Are you near los angeles or palmdale?
What trim Procharger was on the car?
Entry level ProCharger
@@moeslide897 How can you compare a P1SC to a Gen 3 VMP????
@@poopinator22 you cant thats why gen 3 is making more power. The gen 2r made roughly the same power if you dynoed them on the same day im betting with the same boost. They compared these because thats what david had when he got there and he got a gen 3 from them. Nobody is talking shit or downing procharger in anyway. Imo the vmp is gonna feel alot better out in the road and be more fun. Theyre just doing a simple compare between em so people can see the difference between THESE blowers. No reason for every procharger fan to get buthurt
You wanna do my slow 4.6l 😢 2007 gt
We can tune it for you!
@@VMPPerformanceTV for free? Lol im disabled and my ssi disability income is a joke. It's all ready got a 93 octane race tune from blow by racing....I doubt it'll make any difference.
Decrease pulley size on the procharger would have achieved the highest outcome 750ish hp around 502 ft tq
Um no lol. It wouldn't. It wasn't just about gaining horsepower it was the overall power curve it's a totally different car with the tvs. The torque is and where the torque is in the power curve is totally different.
I want to see a real world condition heat soak pull numbers
Have you found anything on this?
@@mahmoudbisharat3239 Elevation,humidity,barometric static vs dynamics determines a lot in hp & torque numbers.
Debating between a procharger or a vmp supercharger for my 2015 mustang gt. I really like how the power comes instantly with a supercharger rather than high rpms like the procharger.
There is no comparison to the vmp product,from fitment, to service, to custom tuning, you will not be disappointed.
Look at Richard Holdner's videos about this topic. If. You can hook up, then get the vmp. Prochargers are better suited to traction limited cars like fwd.
hey justin i just bought a vmp gen3r for my 2014 mustang gt with an 88mm pully im wondering would a gen2r with an 82 mm or 79 mm be more torque on low rpm than a gen3r with an 88 mm pully
Torque is real horsepower
In that case the coyote sucks lol ....
You guys never talk about the woosh and whines .
Tuner software cost is killing mods
I have a 2017 mustang gt base why not give me the other one you guys are not using ;) lol
If you give us $$$ we'll give you a blower! Deal??
@@VMPPerformanceTV xD you guys do layaway I think my wife would notice 7k missing what's a good story maybe I got robbed and beat up??? Lol
Tell her your car needed a new air pump! We'll cover for ya!
For an additional 39.99$ vmp will print out a receipt matching what you told your wife 🤣🤣🤣