Let me start off by saying I just wanted to give a general overview.. Swapping to a 351w has been the best thing ive done for my car since i have owned it
My 79 has sported a 351 since 1987 the 351 was out of 71 LTD the engine laughed a rod threw the block so now it has a 351 out of a 1983 f250 but when I pulled the engine and steamed cleaned it turned out to a crate 351 I pulled the value costs and oil pan to verify my suspicion.so I installed that back 2009 and it sports a T 5 and it's been a fun fun car! I have had this car since 1984it was my high school car and I have kept all of these years and still drive today!😊
Don't put the cheap maxpeedingrods (or comparable) link bars in it. I just got done building a mexican block about a month ago and use them. 5 bent and broken valves and fucked up one of my brand new 11r heads.
@@bryanroupe8646 Can't you drill a couple little holes for the factory spider and use either a special cam or lifters? Can't remember, was going to use an older block but found a deal on a new roller stroker.
I don't remember any harness changes, just put a 393 in my Fox? Other than moving the air temp sensor over to the intake tube (Super Vic and most others don't have factory hole in port #5) it should be the same?
I just bought a pearl white 94 Mustang GT vert last year with a Ford 306 crate motor in it. 303 cam rpm ll manifold headers flowmaster outlaws dumps. 3.73 gears computer tune 315 in the back. Very fucking torquey and constant pull. STANG OR NO GANG💨
I’m switching a carb 302 car to efi with a trick flow top end with a bread box intake, do u think I will have better luck running a efi Foxbody throttle cable and throttle body to go the cheap route? Or would u order something aftermarket? Or can I make the carb throttle cable work
Question I'm buying a 1989 Ford f 2 53 51 Windsor I have a Mustang GT with the 5.0 in it. I wanna. Put? The 351 Windsor out? Of the 80. Nine ford f two fifty how hard would that be to do is it a better motor
I been looking at an 86 GT convert. and the car is in near mint cond.The strange thing is the air cleaner cover reads 5.8L 4V, but the hood is not cut and not cowl induction.I thought you had to do that in order to fit the engine under the hood.
I have seen 351W with short carb intakes under stock hoods. Takes some work, I know one had spacers on the k-member to get it down. I have a Super Vic and elbow and only have a 2.5"....
I honestly did it because normal longtubes for 351w with highports are stupid expensive. All I did was take speed engineering turbo manifolds and cut the head flange off and weld off trick flow highport head flanges. It obviously snowballed into what it is now lol
Yeah i see you point now the cost of headers for them heads are excessive to say the least! I dig the setup man and your neighbors probably hate it hahahah Auto seems to be the way to go if you wanna go fast! I personally like my manual but the T5 doesnt take the abuse, mine still shifts good but sounds like a bag of nails is in the damn thing 😂 input bearing is going bye bye on me lol
I've been lucky with having some decent neighbors lol. I'm honestly really surprised this tremec 3550 has held up to the abuse over the passed 3-5 years.. guess I'm just not making enough power lol
Hahaha for sure cant get enough power! I hear 3550 are pretty stout I have personally never had one. I have a tr3650 behind my 32v lincoln and it has seen alot of abuse and no complaints except for its notchy shifting until the fluid warms up
Hey Bud, I'm really struggling with an Idea. I have a .030 351 9.5 Deck height. My problem is roller Rockers. I have a set of ported Iron Heads with 1.94 Intake and 1.60 Exhaust Manley Tapered valves and 428CJ Valve springs on 302 stock FORD Heads. They have a regular Ford Rocker 1.6 Ratio. My Cam is an Edelbrock, 520 Lift I believe 292 Duration. ...I want to get 1.7 ration Roller rockers. Any Chance their going to hit the piston. can I install 1 and just turn the motor by hand. I believe It's going to give me more lift and duration...Like the Cobra 302!!!
Put a piece of clay on the piston and bolt the head and rocker down and turn the motor over and check the clearance of the mark in the clay. I think you need like 80 (might want to fact check this) thousandths on a hydraulic roller.
Ok so you do respond i would love to pick your brain with what all i need to do and what will work for my swap being how you no 351s however we can do that would be awesome
95 block, cemented/sealed, 408w stroker, insanely precisely balanced rotating assembly, heavily machined block, gonna go for mark miller’s stock block ford record. wanting to make 1200-1400 hp. possible and decently reliable hp numbers?
You are going to blow up with that block lol....I did see Richard Holdener have a boost accident on the dyno and took a STOCK junkyard bottom end to 4 digits though lol...once.
I think unless you go dart iron eagle (I think, whatever one has 4 bolt on all 5 mains) its gonna be hard to have a 1400 reliable block. Might be able to get sway with a dart shp but I know a guys who's cracked 3 shps, but he also makes over 2k lol. I think if the rotating assembly is neutral balanced, girdle everything you can, and a fully filled block may be able to. But hell that's a big maybe haha. Keep me posted! I'd love to find out how it works out for ya!
Dang I completely forgot about that.. it has the same small block Ford Windsor bolt pattern. Both 289, 302, and 351w are the same. The 351 Cleveland has the big block bolt pattern, just fyi if you had future plans lol
Hidden 10s Garage The 351C had the same bell housing bolt pattern as the 289/302/351W (early 289, and 221/260 had 5 bolt pattern). 351M/400 had the same pattern as big block 429/460.
That's a myth, you have to put reducing washers on the heads to make them fit a 351W head. I think the bigger 11R heads are the best for a 351, to be honest.
Depends how crazy you're gonna get. If you're doing a badass stroker and everything else new, get a 69-70 block. They have more nickel and therefore they're stronger. If you're just gonna make a street motor and just wanna throw a roller cam in it and few other things then I'd get a f4te block.
Thank you for the reply! I am planning on a street car with no more than 500HP to the wheels. I will get a 69-70 block! Very appreciated it!@@Hidden10sGarage
If you're only going for 500 then any block should be fine. The biggest thing is making sure the rotating assembly is balanced correctly. 0 balance if you can and pushing it a lot further than 500 would be pretty easy
1969-1974, 69-70 for the high nickel content blocks. ‘71-74’s are the “heavy” blocks, as they are around 10lbs heavier than the 351’s that came after ‘75 where they removed cast iron from around the main bearings to reduce weight. Just got a 1974 351 out of a cougar, going in my 94 GT along with a borg s475 and a T56.
I have 0 faith in a carb style throttle body...my motorhome tends to catch fire often..it likes fuel and fire...I have a kill switch now for my fuel pump.
I want to see the process for the 351 swap from all parts to the mods to the engine bay so when I get my fox I'll be ready to just drop it in quickly and start dragging these shitbox owners
I'm gonna try lol. I'm still learning as much as I can. Actually since you comment a lot I figured I'd let you know I'm getting ready to redo the tube front end. My friend has a tube bender that can bend chromoly so I'll finally have a decent and strong front end.
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My 79 has sported a 351 since 1987 the 351 was out of 71 LTD the engine laughed a rod threw the block so now it has a 351 out of a 1983 f250 but when I pulled the engine and steamed cleaned it turned out to a crate 351 I pulled the value costs and oil pan to verify my suspicion.so I installed that back 2009 and it sports a T 5 and it's been a fun fun car! I have had this car since 1984it was my high school car and I have kept all of these years and still drive today!😊
i just bought a 86 351W to put in my sn95 thanks to you i was gonna get a 302 then i foung the 351 and wasted no time to go get it lol
Don't put the cheap maxpeedingrods (or comparable) link bars in it. I just got done building a mexican block about a month ago and use them. 5 bent and broken valves and fucked up one of my brand new 11r heads.
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@@bryanroupe8646 Can't you drill a couple little holes for the factory spider and use either a special cam or lifters? Can't remember, was going to use an older block but found a deal on a new roller stroker.
"That's fine, neither do I" This guy has awesome quotes! Reason why i sub'd!!! Keep'em coming boss!
good stuff... nice setup.
Your next video should be about the wiring harness swapping over to the 351W
Ok! Will do that soon!
I don't remember any harness changes, just put a 393 in my Fox?
Other than moving the air temp sensor over to the intake tube (Super Vic and most others don't have factory hole in port #5) it should be the same?
Good video thanks I’m 351 swapping now
Great info. I Think that idea might be cheaper than stroking a 302
I’m in the process of doing this right now🙌🏽
Same currently gathering parts to do the swap, gotta keep em ford powered baby!!!!
I just bought a pearl white 94 Mustang GT vert last year with a Ford 306 crate motor in it. 303 cam rpm ll manifold headers flowmaster outlaws dumps. 3.73 gears computer tune 315 in the back. Very fucking torquey and constant pull. STANG OR NO GANG💨
How is it ? I think I want to keep my 302 block
If you use stock convertible motor mounts you will be able to fit stock hood.
What alternator are you running?
Hell yeah
what front tube front end kit did you use?
I’m switching a carb 302 car to efi with a trick flow top end with a bread box intake, do u think I will have better luck running a efi Foxbody throttle cable and throttle body to go the cheap route? Or would u order something aftermarket? Or can I make the carb throttle cable work
what transmisson are you running, if it manual which did run and what was required.
Question I'm buying a 1989 Ford f 2 53 51 Windsor I have a Mustang GT with the 5.0 in it. I wanna. Put? The 351 Windsor out? Of the 80. Nine ford f two fifty how hard would that be to do is it a better motor
Did you use the lmr swap oil pan? Or is a 7 quart ?
How did you wire up that electric water pump?
what gauge cluster are you using?
I been looking at an 86 GT convert. and the car is in near mint cond.The strange thing is the air cleaner cover reads 5.8L 4V, but the hood is not cut and not cowl induction.I thought you had to do that in order to fit the engine under the hood.
RichR65Ct really easy to change air cleaners
I have seen 351W with short carb intakes under stock hoods. Takes some work, I know one had spacers on the k-member to get it down. I have a Super Vic and elbow and only have a 2.5"....
you planning on a turbo in the future on that 351? Or just like the badass look of the foward facing headers w/ fender exits lol
I honestly did it because normal longtubes for 351w with highports are stupid expensive. All I did was take speed engineering turbo manifolds and cut the head flange off and weld off trick flow highport head flanges. It obviously snowballed into what it is now lol
But yes turbo would be badass. I got an auto for it now so that would be a sweet combo
Yeah i see you point now the cost of headers for them heads are excessive to say the least! I dig the setup man and your neighbors probably hate it hahahah Auto seems to be the way to go if you wanna go fast! I personally like my manual but the T5 doesnt take the abuse, mine still shifts good but sounds like a bag of nails is in the damn thing 😂 input bearing is going bye bye on me lol
I've been lucky with having some decent neighbors lol. I'm honestly really surprised this tremec 3550 has held up to the abuse over the passed 3-5 years.. guess I'm just not making enough power lol
Hahaha for sure cant get enough power! I hear 3550 are pretty stout I have personally never had one. I have a tr3650 behind my 32v lincoln and it has seen alot of abuse and no complaints except for its notchy shifting until the fluid warms up
You machine the fte block will hold 1000 hp all bout the build and machining
Hey Bud, I'm really struggling with an Idea. I have a .030 351 9.5 Deck height. My problem is roller Rockers. I have a set of ported Iron Heads with 1.94 Intake and 1.60 Exhaust Manley Tapered valves and 428CJ Valve springs on 302 stock FORD Heads. They have a regular Ford Rocker 1.6 Ratio. My Cam is an Edelbrock, 520 Lift I believe 292 Duration. ...I want to get 1.7 ration Roller rockers. Any Chance their going to hit the piston. can I install 1 and just turn the motor by hand. I believe It's going to give me more lift and duration...Like the Cobra 302!!!
Put a piece of clay on the piston and bolt the head and rocker down and turn the motor over and check the clearance of the mark in the clay. I think you need like 80 (might want to fact check this) thousandths on a hydraulic roller.
Ok so you do respond i would love to pick your brain with what all i need to do and what will work for my swap being how you no 351s however we can do that would be awesome
Yea msg my fb page. Same name
hey hidden 10 will ls forward facing turbo headers work on my 351w if I cut the flange off and put a 351w header flange on it??????
Yes. These are speed engineering turbo manifolds that I put the highport header flange on. I have another video about doing that somewhere
What size 2 4 in cowl hood
Just came across your channel and subscribed, I have a, 83 Mustang, hoping to do the same.
Fuck yeah man great
Cheers mate *clinks bottles*
These things need to be saved from junkyards
95 block, cemented/sealed, 408w stroker, insanely precisely balanced rotating assembly, heavily machined block, gonna go for mark miller’s stock block ford record. wanting to make 1200-1400 hp. possible and decently reliable hp numbers?
You are going to blow up with that block lol....I did see Richard Holdener have a boost accident on the dyno and took a STOCK junkyard bottom end to 4 digits though lol...once.
I think unless you go dart iron eagle (I think, whatever one has 4 bolt on all 5 mains) its gonna be hard to have a 1400 reliable block. Might be able to get sway with a dart shp but I know a guys who's cracked 3 shps, but he also makes over 2k lol. I think if the rotating assembly is neutral balanced, girdle everything you can, and a fully filled block may be able to. But hell that's a big maybe haha. Keep me posted! I'd love to find out how it works out for ya!
How easy is it to do
has anyone ordered a 351 longblock from creb engineering? do you think its worth it?
I was thinking about it... talk to dave dalke from t.i dyno
What about transmission mating? Same pattern or? I want to swap but have a auto (4r70w) not a stick.
Dang I completely forgot about that.. it has the same small block Ford Windsor bolt pattern. Both 289, 302, and 351w are the same. The 351 Cleveland has the big block bolt pattern, just fyi if you had future plans lol
Hidden 10s Garage The 351C had the same bell housing bolt pattern as the 289/302/351W (early 289, and 221/260 had 5 bolt pattern). 351M/400 had the same pattern as big block 429/460.
I have a 351 bored over 4.0 I think that's it it's in my 93 fox
I’ve read that you can’t put TrickFlow heads on a 351. Guessing that’s a myth?
That's a myth, you have to put reducing washers on the heads to make them fit a 351W head.
I think the bigger 11R heads are the best for a 351, to be honest.
This an F4TE Block. I built it about 7 or 8 years ago. Still working 13:1, Solid Roller. ua-cam.com/video/KaCaMkzMIYY/v-deo.html
Recommended year for the 351W motor?
Depends how crazy you're gonna get. If you're doing a badass stroker and everything else new, get a 69-70 block. They have more nickel and therefore they're stronger. If you're just gonna make a street motor and just wanna throw a roller cam in it and few other things then I'd get a f4te block.
Thank you for the reply! I am planning on a street car with no more than 500HP to the wheels. I will get a 69-70 block! Very appreciated it!@@Hidden10sGarage
If you're only going for 500 then any block should be fine. The biggest thing is making sure the rotating assembly is balanced correctly. 0 balance if you can and pushing it a lot further than 500 would be pretty easy
@@Hidden10sGarage Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Please keep the great content coming!
1969-1974, 69-70 for the high nickel content blocks. ‘71-74’s are the “heavy” blocks, as they are around 10lbs heavier than the 351’s that came after ‘75 where they removed cast iron from around the main bearings to reduce weight. Just got a 1974 351 out of a cougar, going in my 94 GT along with a borg s475 and a T56.
Where do you shop for parts ?
Yes.
Summit Racing
Who’s headers
speed engineering for turbo LS that i converter to sbf header flange
I have 0 faith in a carb style throttle body...my motorhome tends to catch fire often..it likes fuel and fire...I have a kill switch now for my fuel pump.
You can buy the Super Vic with injector holes, and put the elbow and standard throttle body on it.
I see your point lol...
I want to see the process for the 351 swap from all parts to the mods to the engine bay so when I get my fox I'll be ready to just drop it in quickly and start dragging these shitbox owners
I just saw you at a gas station
I think I remember seeing you guys!
You asked what we want to see next cut down that water neck you made !!!!!!
Welcome back, thanks for watching. Need to make a new one all together but I'm terrible at fabrication, remember? Lol
@@Hidden10sGarageI know that's why your going to prove me wrong and make a much better one right ?????
I'm gonna try lol. I'm still learning as much as I can. Actually since you comment a lot I figured I'd let you know I'm getting ready to redo the tube front end. My friend has a tube bender that can bend chromoly so I'll finally have a decent and strong front end.
@@Hidden10sGarage time for a nice 8 point cage better front end ill be here waiting to see what you end up with
Thinking wtf is this guy talking about a dizzy. Sorry if I’m not hip but it’s called a distributor
Yep! Not hip, they have been called dizzys for 40+ years.
You don’t know anything about blocks
Legos?