Road Glide Special Stage 2 Woods 22Xe cam fuel Moto Rinehart exhaust inserts with power vision tune
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Talking about how to make your stage 2 NOT suck! Sound clips at beginning and end
2020 Harley Davidson Road Glide Special 114
Woods 22xe
Fuel Moto tune
Thank you for your service. Thank you for your video. I had the same problem and I didn't understand why my bike ran so bad after I had spent so much money getting it upgraded to stage 2. I have the same exhausts and cam. After I saw your video I got the Fuel Moto inserts and it runs much better. Thank you for your time putting this video together.
Best of life to you and your family! For being your first video was much better than I could do you said everything that needed to be said I don't know a lot about fuelling but they seem to want to help the people that buy their products again best of luck and enjoy your bike!! Thanks.
Sounds great for what we can hear on Camera ( im sure a world better in person). Respect for your service!
Thank you!
Thank you for your service. I ride a 2012 Electra Glide twin cam 103 stage 2.
Came across your video this morning. Not bad for it being your first time. Better content than a lot of other ones out there! Keep it up! 👍
I appreciate that!
SWEET bike and Video brother! USMC and USAF here.....thank you for your Service and welcome home :)
Thank you for yout service sir.
Sounds like you married a keeper!!
Badazz bike! Great gift from your wife, I appreciate your service bro, God Bless!✝️
Thank u sir
Great 1st Video. Keep On Keepin'' On!
My bike is identical to yours, I mean they are twins, except mine is a 107. I love that thing. I have the Woods WM8-222 cam in it and it gives me all the pull at the lower ranges and it is stupid fast at get up and get it. The get a ticket speeds don’t appeal to me much. It still runs well over a hundred and I can get locked up in every state in the union up there so I punched my ticket for getting there really fast. That Woods cam is a monster. I love it. Nice scoot, Brother. And Thank You For Answering The Call. We can take an element of honor with us through this life.
Nice bike, thanks for the info. Thank you for your service!
Great vid. Thanks for the info as this is exactly what cam I'm looking at.
You did real good enjoyed the 411
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Thank you for your service welcome home
Thank u!
Thank you for your service and my freedom sir! Awesome Video
Thanks for watching!
Rineharts are #1 for a reason.
First off, Thank you for your service !!! For second you have an awesome wife. Beautiful bike sounds good. I have a 20 SGS thinking about the S&S 475 cam as well.
Awesome!, and thank you
22XE is gonna make a lot more low end torque than that 475.
Great video Jeff! Well done and full of good information. Love your bike and glad you joined the Harley family. I have a 2021 CVO Road Glide with the 117 engine. I added a set of Tab Performance 4” Slip-ons with no need to tune. Mine came as a Stage One with the Heavy Breather intake, and the Screaming Eagle performance pipes on the 117 engine. After I added the Tab Performance pipes, which have the Zombie Baffles, It sounded much better and I felt that it had more top end torque. I might try their Zombie Rings with Torque Cones to get more low end torque. Like you said, it requires back pressure. Anyway, keep posting content - Subscribed! Ride Safe, and Ride Often.
First off, than you for your service Sir. The bike looks great. I have a 21 RGS and looking at this same cam. I also have dominator bars on my bike with heated handgrips.
That sounds awesome. I just ordered Jackpot header w 6” inserts for Rinehart 4.5 slip ons. Can’t wait to hear the sound. I’m hoping it will be better compared to stock header! Tuning w Powervision and FuelMoto tune! 2019 Street Glide Special
Great video, thank you for yr service…. And thanks for the info heads up,.
Nice video… bike sound awsome!!!
I got the stage 2 s&s 475 insane !
I did the 475 cam w Rineharts DBX 4.5 and FuelMoto jackpot. The bike rode ok amd was fast. But, after installing the 6” FuelMoto inserts it did make a bid difference. It made it much smoother on acceleration and low speed rpm riding. It made it much faster as well. The sound was a little less from exhaust, but is still very loud.
Thanks for your service Jeff. Killer bike. What a hell of a present. It's crazy how much an exhaust will kill that torque curve below 3k. I have a Star 30-30 cam on the way with a thundermax tuner and base tune from fuel moto. It has the auto tune feature so im hoping that the base tune will be close enough that the auto tune feature will make it perfect.
Pipe is the D&D billetcat on a 114ci. So hopefully I'm somewhere around 120hp & 130tq.
@@travisdunn5675 I think you’ve got a great setup! It’s gonna be a beast… swapping to a 2:1 changed the whole feel below 3k.. it’s the way to go… even on the highway in 6th
You did exactly what we are planning on doing with same problem running the S&S 475 cam. Bike will scream high up but weak down low. And fuel mileage is only 30mpg the way it is right now.
Sounds like we researched same stuff and Fuel Moto is AWESOME!👍
Bet you would do much so much better with the Powervision tune from Fuel Moto. Or did I miss that part.
Anyway Powervision is HIGH but worth it. Have a friend with the tuner just pay $200 to license your bike on his tuner and save $250
It was a very quick mention, but yes, I did get the powervision and tune from FM.. definitely happy with it.
Thanks for the awesome video Brother (US Army 11b 70-72). I will have a very similar set up. Parts in garage but need to recover a bit first. My set up. FM Air Breather with S&S Stealth Cover, FM SP Header, RCX 4.5" slip ons, Power Vision and Power Vision Target tune, S&S lifter guides, FM Adj PRds, Woods 22xe Cam and super expensive lifters. I have the slip ons installed and the air breather with a FM designed map and few auto tune runs. Totally different pull than stock but still sounds like a metric car, lol. I was most intrigued by your experience with the baffles. FM says I will "likely" need them but RCX wasn't convinced of that when I called them. I haven't called Bob Woods (great gut and he will get on the phone with you). I am currently going to try it out without the baffles knowing they can be put in later. There's a few differences in our set ups so who knows what I'll discover. Great video and very helpful. Does your wife have a sister? JK Thanks again. All the best and be safe.
Sounds like a mean set up man!
@@jeffrobbins179 "mean setup"? He said it sounds like a sewing machine. I'm trying to select a cam but for sound purposes only. Not sure about this one...
Nice bike love the setup you deserve it do good you get good back
Blessings to you and yours sir
great ride👍👍👍👍👍
I'm sorry I forgot thank you for your service!!
Thanks very informative
Great video
Badass choice
Excellent video, and evil looking bike
Thank u!!!
Nice bike!!!
Beautiful RGS my man... Awesome wife you got there!
You want to close the left side at different angles and leave the right side open. More exhaust flows out the right side muffler than the left side muffler because of the stock cross over pipe that connects to the left side muffler.
Waoo Beautiful bike
Good video. I just put on my 21 SGS, the Rinehart Slimline duals and have the DBX 40's on the bike as well. Just now hearing that many have advised I don't even do a cam with my setup because I will lose what torque I have now. It runs okay now and sounds great, but not sure I want to give up my sound for a little extra power. I'd be okay if I just got a decent amount of extra power but I don't want to lose torque in the low RPM's.
You don’t lose much sound with the inserts, depending on how you have them positioned,I pulled mine down to more of a 20-25 degree angle on both pipes, and currently sounds great
@@jeffrobbins179 thanks for the info Jeff.
Looks good ...
I’m not an expert, but I did call Fuelmoto and this is what they told me so I’ll try and answer a couple questions asked.
1. The M8 likes back pressure, but not from the head pipe. It wants the back pressure from the muffler. Now if you’ve had the chance to watch one of Kevin Baxter’s videos on exhaust, you’d know from him that any open exhaust, like the megaphone type exhausts are hard to tune. Their similar to an open exhaust that drag bikes use. They’re basically an open tube with little to no baffle. That what makes them very loud. Tuners hate these mufflers. The one he showed us, without naming it, looked the a CFR pipe. And if you watched the Moonshine Harleys video on Cams, you would have noticed the 2-1-2 exhaust outperformed the 2-1 exhaust, look it up. So put all that together and you might understand why those inserts COULD increase your output.
2. The second question has to do with Fuelmoto’s tunes they send you on a PV tuner. With all the Dyno tuning they do, they have all these tunes saved on file. They’re doing all this work for us by people bringing their bike into them for their exceptional work. So if you call them and tell them what you have, there is a good chance they’ve done a bike like yours. Ya, maybe your head pipe might be different or the A/C is different, but I’m sure they’ve done something close and they’ll send you a file that will be close to your setup. The last thing they’d do is send you a generic tune and say “Good Enough.”
And remember, any bike with the new RDRS will have a completely different tune than any standard bike.
When I order my tuner next year, I’m going to trust what they send me so my mechanic will have very little to adjust.
Great info!
What is different with the RDRS that makes tuning different?
nice bike great information
Appreciate you my dude!
@@jeffrobbins179 Not a problem at all
Thank you for your service! Awesome sounding bike. I’m getting ready to get the Woods 22xe , pushrods and lifters installed on my 2020 RG 107. Now I wonder if I should go ahead and get the inserts ahead of time. Wish you had a video of the install and adjustment on the inserts. Thanks for the info!
Do you already own a pair of slip ons? If ur still in the market, s&s, khrome werkz or fuel Moto and some others’ slip ons have baffles in them already
@@jeffrobbins179 I bought Khrome Werks headers and slip ons. I have the Woods 22xe cam with lifters and push rods. Like you I noticed a huge difference 3000 and up. But around 2000 it’s almost like the bike is missing. It sputters sometimes in 2nd gear in the lower rpm’s. I have it tuned and Dyno’d. I wonder though if the inserts would help with that lower end problem.
@@shanegraves298 they will definitely help! Not a drastic as a 2:1 exhaust.. but noticeably improved
Congratz Brother. I guess I should have been married when I came back lol.. Great first video. Happy riding!
Appreciate you watching! Thanks for ur service
I’m about to install inserts w 4.5 DBX, jackpot header and 475 cam. I’ll try your set up to see how it does.
Nice exhaust lope. its sounds like you are running the wm8-22xd cam
nice bike
Jeff, did you lose much volume on the pipes after inserting the extra baffles from Fuel Moto? I just don't want a quieter bike. Right now mine sounds good, could even have it a little louder. Let me know. Thanks.
You sir have the best wife ever! I'm jealous.. thank you for you service.
Thank u!
Jeff my father name is Jeff and mine Jeffrey and I ride the same bike thoses inserts and I have same mufflers with Slimeline headed pipe. Thoses inserts really work
Great names and great minds!….
Sounds great! What part of Louisiana are you from? Was also wondering if during your research you found a cam that would produce better numbers than the Woods?
At the time I was looking?, no… but moonshiners has a cam shoot out video that’s a good place to start looking, it’s a little older but all the brands they cover are worth looking into
Great video. Thank you for your service! 95B here uh rah!
Welcome to the Harley family 👊🏾
Nice bike. Glad it's coming along well for you!
What size bars are you running I may get some similar to yours.
Ride Safe Brother 👊🏾
Thank u sir. Bars are 14.. I’m 6 ft tall, no probs
One last question, I think, did they tune your bike with the Harley tuner? Or Power Vision?
I have a RG 2019, with original exhaust. For me that is loud enough and I like the sound of the original exhaust. But the speakers on the other hand is not, so I plan to upgrade to stage 2 for the speakers. Different taste I guess. But your bike looks great.
Two into one exhaust is better for performance. You mimicked that by restricting the exhaust how you did. A full two into one may be worth it for you. Mad props on a beautiful bike!
I’ve been window shopping 2-1’s for weeks now… but I like the classic look of dual exhaust, and dropping another 1500 to replace my functioning exhaust is a hard pill to swallow lol… thanks for watching and commenting!
@@jeffrobbins179 just get true 2 into 2 pipes. Then youll have equal pressure. The scrawny crossover pipe and the 2 into 1 part lets to much air out the right side.
@@scottlint7016 there is a lot of data out there that disputes that suggestion, but I do love the sound of a true dual set up
As you did left them the way they came but I notice around 110 and 115 it sounds like it’s done and it’s not the computer because I have the thundermax so no limit
And look into the thundermax ecm
I do want that xe
Great video. I've got the same cam and I'm in the same boat. I have tab performance with zombie baffles I think I'm going to order the zombie rings for back pressure
thanks!, its a noticeable diference.
And when you get the full range of torque out that cam!, let’s just say ur gonna waste some gas… lol
I'm going to try with the stock headpipe and hit the dyno. I never noticed excessive heat from it so I'll give it a go.
@@texasmotorcyclerideradventures sounds good man!, I’ll be watching to see how it turns out for u
Back pressure is a myth
Once warranty is up get the rineharts headpipe, easy 2 install 2...
That’s one sexy ass bike fr
Team rineharts here 2
I’ve wondered if the tune that fuelmoto loads for your particular set up is good or close to getting it at peak numbers ?
not sure of the exact numbers because ive not had it re-dyno'd... but using comparable set ups charts from fuel moto's website, i can comfortably estimate that a set up like this will get you anywhere between 110-120 hp and 120-130 tq. im confident in that
I’ve got nearly an identical setup. Fuel’s base map is very good. If you run the Auto Tune Feature on your Powervision, and import the new values into the base tune, it will be as close to perfect as you’ll get, without dropping a pile of money on the dyno.
@@jasonperry5222 - True. However nothing is better than a good Dyno Tune for optimum performance of your chosen components.
$650 well spent if you want performance and fuel mileage.
Great wife
Thank you for your service and this video, I have a 2020 road king with the stage 2 harley torque cam. For 26000 miles I rode it with the stock head pipe cat in it with the screaming eagle exhaust. Wanted louder and decat. So I decatted in my garage and put s&s grand Nationals on and noticed the difference in the low end loss. Debating on getting another stock head pipe with cat and reinstalling or trying these out to regain the back pressure and the low end performance. I have the pro street tuner so there really isn’t much adjusting with it. Thoughts?
I bought a 2-1 pipe and re-tuned… problem solved lol
@@jeffrobbins179 did you go with another tuner?
@@cjg431 I got a map from fuel Moto, ran a few auto tune sessions and it runs like a dream. Torque on demand.. passing power in 6th gear without hesitation
@@jeffrobbins179 i was on the phone with Jamie for a while. Might order one Monday
Hey I thought I would update. The SE 122 kit wasn't enough for me. Pulled it off and did SE 131 kit with Max-cell 837b cam and Fullsac header and asst. pieces.
Dyno 150hp 162ft lbs torque. Looking for a used ( 1000 miles) stage 3 kit, 55mm manifold let know, cheap.
That’s why I went aftermarket from the jump
Jeff, Doing this now left muffler finished but the baffle on my right muffler doesn't want to budge. Did you have same issue and if so how did you worked it out?--Thanks!
What size bars are those?? 16””???
I been seen this video a year ago when trying to determine the cam I wanted. I didn’t pay much attention then about loss of low end torque! But it’s true above 3500 that woods 22xe schittts n gettts. Down low it’s just a loud hunk of metal and plastic. I followed your lead got these inserts and it did bring alot low end back. But now I am considering closing Off the right baffle like u did. But I called F M they said the way it came is the best performance! @Jeff Robbins you say it’s not! I’m indecisive at this point😮 what u think pimpinn?
Bro.. take the L, buy a 2 into 1. Any full length 2:1 (Bassani, s&s, krome works) is better than that setup, the inserts help, but a 2:1 is a whole nother ball game. I had to take that L too.
@@jeffrobbins179 good info if I went that route two into one I’d have to get a dummy pipe ! I like the two pipe look! 🙏🏿
What is your hwy fuel mileage now?
Woods 22xe improves hp and torque +3500 rpm. The Woods 22x, works from zero up to about 3500. I don't think you got a bad stage two but you may have chosen the wrong cam for your riding style. Great first video.
What’s the difference between the 22x and the 22xe on a 114 m8?
@@bigmanchris8693 just as I explained it. 22Xe is good if you lay on it and ride above 3500rpms often(not me). The performance improvement is higher in the power band. Also if you want high numbers at all costs go with 22xe. I just installed the 22x on my '20 Road King Special (114 M8) along with Vance and Hines power dual headers. It's hot off the line, love the instant torque. Went from 88hp to 107hp(at 5k rpms) and from 112 ftlbs to 125ftlbs (at 3500 rpms). Hope that helps.
@@RickIguana I haven’t installed my 22xe yet, but your comments have me rethinking if I should have gone with 22x.
@@RoadtoNowhere73 I don't have experience wit the 22xe,but have about 400 miles on the 22x. Hot damn. Super responsive acceleration (improved tune), torque right off the line and excellent highway passing. Good luck with your decision.
I'm thinking 22x for my 114, thinking its better for my style riding. I'm 270 and do a lot of 2 up.
Hi Jeff, my name is Jeffrey I have the same bike same mufflers with Slimeline header with 447 cam and the fuel moto inserts. Now please tell me which side did you adjust upward and how much adjustment
Adjusting the right side makes the biggest difference because that’s where the most flow is going
Hi curious, you voided your warranty, don't care? I have a 2021 Ultra Limited just did stage 3 HD 122 pieced together. No kit head pipe or cam.
Did the 462 power cam kit simultaneously. Went all black like you did pushrods & tappet covers etc. SE Hi flow air cleaner and 4.5 dbx Rineharts. Back ordered Fuel Moto exhaust inserts (next week I hope). Noticeable need for more throttle at launch (especially riding two up), much louder. Though not newly broken in with 500 miles yet, I have rolled up 4000 rpm and can feel something different. As in it wants to keep climbing in rpm.
When covering the bike yesterday I noticed the right slip on is much cooler than the left. Any reason you chose to close the right exhaust? I have the SE Pro street tuner and I know the dealer who did the installation tried to fudge the tune with something close (no tune available). I have a dyno scheduled in 2 weeks.
Had I not been maintaining the warranty your setup is my exact first choice, Woods-xe cam and Power vision tune.
Defiantly following your exhaust insert set up and hoping for good results.
So as I said in my 1st sentence no warranty concern? Valve springs? Honestly I am so sick of worrying about it, Especially if using 90% HD parts.
Not worried about warranty, and on my bike the right side exhaust had the most flow, so I figured it needed the most restriction, and it work out for me, at least from what I can feel
@@jeffrobbins179 Nice I'll give that a try. Thanks
@@funhumanusa if u experiment with different set ups on your baffle inserts while on the dyno, I’d love to know what type of data you get from the dyno with the different adjustments
@@jeffrobbins179 Will do, sadly dyno appointment 3 weeks away.
Where you using Harley tuner originaly or no tuner till the Power commander
Dealer used their own dyno and tune when they did stage 2 install
What was the hp/torque on the dyno? With the xe22 cam?
105/117 🤬
Why didn't you do a full exhaust system?
I did
Looks like you got a tune by PV, so ignore my last question.
Yes!, sorry I didn’t see your question earlier! HD used a power vision at the dealership for their tune, I re-tuned again with my own power vision from fuel Moto after I installed their exhaust inserts
that wife is a keeper
As promised. I uploaded the new video for the Wood 22XE cam. Check it out
Liked and sub’d ✊🏽
The m8 is designed 2 run with back pressure oddly enough 🤔
so by closing the tunable insert you basically made your exhaust 2 into 1?
I wouldn’t say all that, but in the since that the baffles restrict the airflow so you’re not over exhausting, which is what kills ur torque… the peak torque is similar to a 2:1, but 2:1 exhaust peaks faster than a 2:1:2
Install the Krome Werks head pipes and you will notice a lot better low-end pull from 2,500 to 3,000 Rpms.
I have the KW 2-1-2 with slipons. Along with the Woods 22xe cam, lifters and adjustable pushrods. I’m running sit around 2000 and lower. My bike sputters. Hope these inserts help. ( Dyno’d with power vision.)
@@shanegraves298
Something ain’t right with the tune if it’s sputtering ! Did these inserts help
Welcome home and you better kiss your wife. Enjoy it and stay safe out there.
What's the size of the ? bars
14
Why didn't you just leave the catalytic converter in? Wouldn't that provide the back pressure?
Theoretically yes, but this was an issue I was unaware of before I went stage 2, and it most definitely wouldn’t sound as good, additionally removing the cat significantly drops the temp under your right leg
Under no circumstances, leave the Catalytic Converter in.
I tried the Vance and Hines Dresser Duals headpipe, and the Vance and Hines power port headpipe. Both looked good but, I didn't like the sound and performance.
I took my original headpipe and opened it up, l couldn't believe how the Catalytic Converter blocked completely the exhaust, before it reached the mufflers. I removed the Cat, and re-welded the opening I made in the collector. I am happy with the sound and performance.
I love when ppl cover there lic plate like do you think ppl are going to somehow run your plate and steal your bike i could understand if you had like six figure rare sports car but for a stock harley relax
Like, hate to break the news to you bud, but did you know that when you ride your motorcycle on the street, EVERYONE can see ur plates?!… scary I know… 😂
@@jeffrobbins179 yah well why did you cover yours
@@ndn2589 at one point I did, at another point I didn’t… not a huge deal, I didn’t put as much thought into it as you have…relax
If all these new folks would just look towards the oldest performance makers on the market, they would save time and money and have the best there is….
S&S performance parts!
Make yourself a Rocket!
S&S 465 cam and their sidewinder pipe is a killer combo!
@@jeffrobbins179 Try a 510 Gear cam, high flow oil pump, new lifters, pushrods, heavy duty cam plate, Thunderheader puffer, stage 2 sucker and FP3 tuner, just to start.
Been running this setup for almost 2years, badass!
Can’t go wrong with S&S performance parts.
It was your tune that fixed it. You got rid of HD epa tune
No, never had a Harley tuner, it was tuned at Harley using a power vision
Good job bruh. Did years in Afghanistan myself and love my RGS just as much. Hit my page and we can trade stories and tips on this platform
Sounds like your local Harley that did the tune kinda fucked ya. Ive got the same bike with 22xe cam and my low torque is stupid nuts and top end is even more nuts . So souunds like you should go somewhere else for the dyno tune
You discovered what I just discovered. I'm SO disappointed to learn that a great sounding cam will make my buke run worse. Now, if I change my pipes (which I'm not doing because I love them) and install a cam with less of a "Harley" sound, then I will be ok. So then, why should I spend thousands for that?
Its unlikely u will ever own another brand.