Stage 2 S&S 475c M8 Road Glide - Ultimate sound comparison
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
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00:00 - Start
3:00 - Troubleshooting leak
4:36 - Fixing the problem
7:32 - Take two start-up
9:11 - Confirmed probem fixed
11:05 - Sound comparison starts here
#Stage2 #475C #SSperformance
This is what you’ve been waiting for, but we ran into some problems that required diagnosing, solving, backtracking and completing. All in all it turned out great and am ready to do it again on another bike.
**Since I’ve had this bike a couple years already the sound comparison is going to be stock with only Bassani DNT slip-ons to the now 475c cam, intake, and 2 into 1 head pipe modification**
Shout out to a few brethren from the Roadglide.org community that were there to answer some questions I had at a moments notice
Giving credit where credit is due....The J&P Cycles video that really helped me install this and made the instructions make more sense.
That cam makes your M8 sound killer. I wish my wife got as excited as yours does about bikes.
Man!!! It really does. I know people would always look at that bike but now every time I turn it on people really look now!! She gets excited when I get excited especially when I do the work and get it right! Thanks for watching. Deuces ✌️
Congratulations Paul, I certainly hope, and look forward to seeing your next endeavor, hope the puppy dogs are included in the journey, best regards 🙏
I like that you aren’t afraid to do this yourself. I can relate to the self taught UA-cam degree.
👍🏽👊🏽
loved how excited your wife got about your project! she's a keeper. Cam sounds rowdy and fantastic!
Awesome, best side by side comparison I’ve ever seen! You took audio from every possible angle. Great job 👍
Thank you.
This is absolutely the BEST SOUNDING Road Glide I have heard...very impressed great job.
Thank you very much. Deuces ✌🏼
Sounds super! Love how you showed your mistake & remedy!
Thanks for watching!!! Best to point out the mistakes in hopes that it helps someone else avoid it. As frustrating as it may be solving the problem is always more satisfying. Deuces ✌️
Modify, Break, Fix = Experience. Carry on bro you’re doing great 👍
Thank you. Appreciate that.
Totally appreciate you going for it. I’m too scared to do something that detailed
That’s a beautiful sound that I can listen to all day. Nice sound on your bike, Right now, I’m rocking the CFR’s with a stage III motor upgrade on my RG Ultra.
Awesome. I bet that thing boogies!!! Deuces ✌️
Dam good job Paul 👍 you & Ruth , remind me of me & my wife
I’m also considering the s&s475c for my 20SG, thanks for the 411🙏
Dern o-rings anyhow, I had a hunch at the beginning of the video that it was o-rings. Glad you got it fixed!! Your mod on the pipes reminds me of what the D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1 sounded like on the Twin Cams. Sounds amazing!!!
Thank man. It sure does turn some heads now. Deuces ✌
Sounds killer. My 475c cam kit going on next week. Can't wait to open that m8 up and get that VT potato sound
Hey Paul,
Thanks bud for getting back to me, I really appreciate it as iam seriously considering doing the project myself, iam pretty mechanically inclined, and I have done some other work on my bike
In the meantime, I look forward to seeing your next project and the related videos 👊🏻
Thank you very much and your welcome. I know you can do it. Not sure what my next big project is but I've been toying around the idea of doing a fat front tire mod. We will see. I just paid off my bike and am enjoying that ride for a little bit. Deuces ✌
Sounds amazing! Good job!
Sounds excellent, that’s awesome how fired up your wife was 🤙🏻🤙🏻
She definitely gets excited when I get things done right cause that means I don't have to spend more money on that one project. haha!! deuces ✌
Yeah dude... The real hero here is the little lady that gets excited when it all came together...
Love your attitude during this video! And the wife’s Woohoo near the end!!!
Appreciate you brother. 👊🏻 💪🏼
Loved the comparisons, thanks
Sounding really good brother 🤘
Good on you for not being afraid to admit your mistake, bro. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching. I’ll never leave a mistake out in my videos as long as I’m filming it because in the end it doesn’t help anyone if I omit it. In this community we help each other out. Deuces ✌🏼
Love your vid man! I just got my 117 FXLRS cam’d with a wood 22xe and can’t wait for the snow to melt to go try it out. Wish I had the balls to do the work myself like you did , maybe next bike !
Appreciate you brother. Nothing wrong with getting someone else to do it. This is just something I’ve been wanting to tackle for some time and finally got the courage too. Deuces ✌🏼
Stock: “Hey, dads here.” Cam w/2/into 1 “Everyone, Uncle Bob is coming!!!!”
Awesome job my brother!
I also had an O-ring leak from the top of two of the pushrod covers. I got lucky on two and they didn't leak. I wasn't as lucky on the other two. I didn't make sure they seated all the way in before I installed the retainers and they leaked like crazy. After I cleaned up all of the oil, I slowed down and made sure the tubes were seated before I installed the retaining clips. Runs and sounds great. Also, no more oil leak!
Good video!
That’s great news. Yeah mine was just a seating issue also.
Thats so awesome kinfolk! Great job and man the bike sounds amazing!
Appreciate it brotha. It was a fun project and even more rewarding once complete. Deuces ✌🏼
Good stuff , it’s always good to see and hear any tips before tackling a project , about to do the cam swap myself , now I noted if I get this issue
Glad I could help. I've put over 14K miles since the cam swap and have had zero issues. No leaking at all from that little correction in the video. If you have any questions or want to bounce something off me from my experience feel free to reach out to me. You can find me on Instagram @ paulontherun_81 and send me a DM. Deuces ✌️
Awesome video bro!! I have a 2020 All Blacked out Electraglide with the 114ci motor, I plan on installing the same S&S 475C cams. Sounds killer!!
You are going to love it!
Great job. Had the same issue. No big deal. Took it apart, checked o-rings and no more leak. I’m no mechanic and I installed a RS468 cam, S&S goodies and a Thundermax EFI. Bike runs great.
Yep. Just gotta take it step by step.
Did you have to re,over the push rods or did you just pull the black cap off and pull the cover down ? I’m having the same issues
@@pioneer139 All i did was removed and reinstalled the pushrods and the leak stopped. Not sure if i actually fixed it or if it fixed itself.
I did it myself too it’s not a hard job but it is a beyotch to be fair… especially where the tapper covers are these bolts are… I ran into the same problem with my pushrods bought the tool to help with the retaining clip and a bunch of O ring seals for the top part where I have the leaks. Hopefully by tomorrow I’d be putting miles on her again. Thanks for the motivation my friend. A side note is that in my humble opinion the M8 is prolly the best motor Harley ever made. I couldn’t believe even without a proper tune how good the lope/chop is now👌👌👌
Nice video with a great edit.
Great job!
Awesome job!!
Love it - Bring it home, Baby!
Great video man, that cam really makes the bike sound mean.
It sure does. Especially with that Bassani DNT exhaust. Thanks for watching. Deuces ✌🏼
Just Awesome!!!! Sound perfect!
Great job man sounds awesome!
Thank you!! Deuces ✌️
Great JOB BRO, congratulations
Thank you and thanks for watching. Deuces ✌
That's awesome man. Throwing this cam in my bike once this cold weather passes. The pushrod setup is what I'm most nervous about
That's the part I was nervous about too but after watching a few videos especially on the cam install from J&P cycles it helped a lot. To be honest I spun that rear tire so many times looking at the movement of the pushrods going up and down and putting my fingers down the area where they came up from that now I could probably do it with my eyes closed only going by feel. Just go step by step, understand the timing before cutting the pushrods and mind all torque values. If it takes a you month to do then so be it. It will be less painful than skipping a step and messing up. I know you can do it!!! Deuces ✌
@@PaulOnTheRun unfortunately I crashed as soon as riding season started back up last spring so im just now doing this... everything together gunna start the bike in the morning, wish me luck.
@@LonerBoi88883 I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you didn't sustain any injuries and if you did I'm really sorry about that. Glad to hear that everything is back together and the start up is tomorrow. Deuces ✌
I did the ss 475 on my 107, i was floored!
Great video. Great comparison 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Thanks for watching Michael. Appreciate you! Deuces ✌️
Nice work!
Sounds awesome! Great video. Thanks!
Thanks for watching Barry!! Deuces ✌️
8:28 ... good to see you keep your leg clear of that hot exhaustt Paul :)
Oh yeah!!! But I’ve been down that road before. Thanks for watching. Deuces ✌️
Amazing video
With the cams an everything. Sounds like a beast..
Thank you. I’m still enjoying the sound and power. I do run a different exhaust now but still sounds great.
Really,,, what are they now?
@@victorvisionrestore9978 well I still have my Bassani DNT but I run some Supertrapp Fatshots right now. I like these when I’m hitting the long road trips to quiet it down some.
That's a sweet ass bike. New sub.
Thank you brother!! Deuces ✌🏼
Hell yeah! Sounds great!
Best sound comparison video ever. Also appreciate the learning factor in this video. Outstanding!
Thank you. I appreciate that. Deuces ✌🏼
Well done!
Thanks for watching!!
Great job! You put most backyard mechanics to shame.
Great video love the do it yourself projects a lot more enjoyable that way sounds nasty
Sound 🔥🔥🔥🔥
That baby is hitting hard
I appreciate the sound comparisons and not sure you have another video on the 465C S&S cam, but I am wondering about gas mileage? Touring with weight? High RPMs in 6th gear at 80 MPH?
God job man.
I had the same problem when I changed out my pushrods. Did not seat the seals correctly. Once I did that it was all good!
I got about 800 miles since seating o-rings properly and no leaks thus far thankfully. Thanks for watching. Deuces ✌️
Badass.
Can you explain what you did in the two-in-one conversion mod?. Is the cat still in the header?
How did you block off the left pipe ? And did you notice any restriction in flow ? I like the sound of the mod better, but want to leave the left pipe on for looks. Can you please give me some insight on this ? I have a 19 SGS.
I also have the FP3 tuner. So did you just go into the tuner and add the cam to your setup, and redo the auto tune with the blocks all over again, or did the tuner just correct the settings automatically?? Bike sounds great! Thanks for doing this! Think I'm sold on 475c
Dope!
Guy looks like Jon Bernthals brother lol
Nice video man!!
Too funny. I get that often.
sound nice, and nice bike all black 👍
Thank you. Appreciate that.
That thing sound mean!😎
It sure does. I really wish these external mics would do justice to how it really sounds but this at least gives us an idea.
Amazing sound...
It is a pretty significant change from stock and from a lot of other cams too. I’m loving it. Deuces ✌🏼
@@PaulOnTheRun no doubt about it...! Kind regards!
Great job. If you like they way it runs and really want it to run well, get rid of the fuel pack and get that thing on a dyno
Yeah the fuel pack is gone and now I have a time from fuel Moto using the power vision.
Great, there goes my DIY confidence ...
You can do it!!!
Great video, glad it had it a happy ending. Sounds killer! My brother runs a FP3 And I run a power vision with wideband O2 sensors and autotune module, I would imagine you are going to take your build further have you considered switching tuners since you like to do work yourself? I read down a few comments and this is the only video of yours I have seen so maybe you have talked about it already but I was just curious if you're going to tinker around in tuning software I believe you have the drive to do it. I liked the video and subscribed bro 👍
I am considering it actually but I got to spend a little coin on a few other things first for the bike but it’s high on my list. So far it’s running pretty good but now I need some suspension upgrades. Thanks for watching and subscribing. Deuces ✌️
Sounds good...for a Harley! ;-) (MR VTX here!)
Admit it. It got you jonesing!! I’m loving the exhaust sound. Especially at a cold start up!!
@@PaulOnTheRun Oh yeah, nothing like a proper cam setup...sounds mean.
What type of exhaust you running .
Your chingon!
Working my way through. starting here 'cause it was the first one you posted. I've been loving the M8 engine! I heard a cam really wakes it up. That so?
Oh yes. Especially when you pair it with the right tuner. In my case I started with a FP3 but then moved to a Dynojet Powervision preloaded with a map from Fuel Moto.
@@PaulOnTheRun I have the PV on my Springer currently. I'll buy the new license from FM for my SG when I get to that point.
LoL I heard that lope as soon as you stated it up brother 💯, now she sounds like a real Harley, hey I noticed that you was wearing a Bring it Home Parade T-shirt, I didn't know that you was there, my wife and I was there to, it was a great time, ok are you ready to do mine now lol, good work Paul 🤜🏼🤛🏼 💯
Yeah. I was at Bring It Home. I did a video on that too. I was sitting right next to gas truck and had a small tent to get out from the sun. Folks were using the truck to climb on and get a better view. I feel more confident installing these cams that’s for sure.
Its a great video!
@@PaulOnTheRun we was at the back row by the Lawtigers set up and we seen people climbing all over that truck to, so do you guys live in Texas ?
@@texasmotorcyclerideradventures I'll go check it out 💯👍🏼
@@OZARKSHDRIDERS Yes sir. Just outside of Houston.
Great job sounds perfect 👌
What was the cost of your build?
Your video and editing is great all around great job
The cam kit was $1396 which came with the cam, cam plate, new cam bearing, tappets, tappet cuffs, quickee pushrods. I purchased the air cleaner for around $400, I already had the FP3 but purchased it for $3xx but then bought a Power Vision $400. I experimented with my bassani but ended up with some Supertrapp Fatshots for just shy of $600. Definitely not cheap but definitely not the most expensive. oh, I also had to purchase the cam bearing removal tool for about $130. Deuces ✌
What's that exhaust set up. It's nice
Great job man. Very motivational. Is that a chopped or razor tour pack, and how do you like the size?
Thank you. I believe it’s the chopped. It’s my daily but I also have a king when traveling two up. I’ve always liked having a tour pak. I’ve also had a razor but the last one I had cracked so I ended up going chopped on the second because it would hold a little more of my camera gear.
Totally different sound and lope. Nice. After installing the stock tune, have you done an auto-tune or had V&H send you a custom tune? What about seat-of-the-pants torque? Are you noticing a big difference? I know I was nervous the first time I started my bike after doing cams. I could see you were, too. All and all, great job and great videos, Paul.
At first I loaded a tune from the FP3 app but then needed some help from V&H on a custom map because I was getting some surging on first gear. I did do some auto tuning but I have a follow up video talking about some things I changed. As far as power goes. I do feel a noticeable difference. Especially in the mid range. Best way I can explain is when before you would twist the throttle to speed up and while it did it fast you moved with the bike. Now it feels like the bike is pulling you into those higher speeds and obviously getting you there faster thanks ✌️.
Orale get down Homie sounds good, what made you go with chain vs Gear drive? Thanks for video, wat up from the 818SFV..
At the time...insufficient knowledge. I had only seen a lot more videos on the 475C option and very little on the gear driven. I already ordered the C by the time I learned of the G, so I just decided to keep with the C and if I felt the need to upgrade to the G, it is an easy upgrade. Also the tolerances are a little more forgiving. Thanks for watching Johnny CEE. Deuces ✌🏼
Great video Paul. Question: did the S&S 475 cam give you a very noticeable difference in HP & torque as well?
PS That Amazon link above goes nowhere. Thx
Hey Tom since the M8 is already a great platform for power from the dealer the horsepower to me was a smaller increase compared to the torque gain in the mid to upper power band. I feel this cam really shines in the 3900-4300 rpm range and just keeps pulling. If you’re looking for more torque in the lower band then the 465 will do that. Horsepower on these bikes is already there so IMO working on the torque is where it’s at. Hope this helps and thanks I’ll look into fixing that link. Deuces ✌🏼
hey Paul,
What Flash tune did you use?
ive done the S&S 475G Torque but cant get a really good tune out of the SE pro street tuner on my 114 heritage.its about 90% right.
I ended up using a tune from Fuel Moto on a dynojet powervision. Solved my bottom end lag and runs really good. Hope that helps. Deuces ✌🏼
Great job i do the exact same thing with my bikes an everything else just try an if i faiI sum1else,will fix it!!
You better believe. Luckily I haven't needed anyone to fix my mess ups, but that's probably in part to me not wanting to give up and well....it's probably still cheaper for me to figure it out. Slowly but surely. Deuces ✌
That is Bad ass, sounds like a serious pulling bike. I have a 2016 RGS getting ready for cams. Where did you get those lights on your fairing?? I like those.
Those lights are from Custom Dynamics and they are some great lights but even better is their warranty. Check them out! Yeah man this bike pulls like a freight train and hits harder than Mike Tyson!! 😂. Deuces ✌️
@@PaulOnTheRun thank yo for the reply. Did you have you bike Dynoed or just use the FP3? Did you install all those lights yourself? Was is easy? Thanks again man great thing about this I get a lot a good ideas from some great looking bikes..
@@AmericanSCPO just the FP3 for now. I put all the lights in and it’s pretty easy. A lot easier than the older road glides.
Hey Paul, you mind telling me how you got the inner cam bearing out & re installed the new one?
Dennis, thanks for the comment. I purchased the cam bearing puller tool from amazon and it worked great to get it out and place the new one.
What kind exhaust do you have on that bike sounded good with those cams
Those are the Bassani DNT with the catalytic removed from the stock head pipe. It sounds crazy mean! People really notice when that thing turns on!!! Deuces ✌🏼
What bars are you running in your road glide! Killer sound from that bike too!
Hey Jason, those are the 13” Standard Apes from Road 6 Customs. They have the on sale right now!! Deuces ✌🏼
Sounds great 475 really woke the bike What brand 2-1 mod did you run
It actually a stock modification I experimented with. Sounded amazing.
Great video I can’t wait to get this cam my tab Zombie are going to really sound off
He'll yeah
How do you like the 475c cam, did u dyno it?
I do like it. It’s definitely on the louder side but I’ll soon have a fix for that. At the present moment I have not dyno tuned it yet. I did work closely with a guy from Vance & Hines on a proper map and ever since I dropped that in it’s been running very smooth. I’m sure with a proper tune I can squeeze out a bit more juice but quite frankly it’s pretty good. Deuces ✌️
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Good video I’m thinking of doing this my self in your opinion was it worth the money for the power at the end
So...short answer Yes. Long Answer, I didn't go with an aftermarket headpipe so I don't think I'm getting the full potential of the cam. I will in the near future swap it out but I've really enjoyed the power gain I got from just doing the cam, hi-flow air intake, decatted head pipe and slip-ons. I did start with a V&H FP3 but converted to a Dynojet Powervision and that I feel in my opinion real woke up the cam. One thing I absolutely love and call me vain, but I love the way my bike sounds now. Everyone knows you did something to the bike when you turn it on and now it sounds a like an H-D should. Deuces ✌
Awesome I got full exhaust so I should be good thanks for the input my dealer wanted 1000 just labor I’m a car mechanic so I’m pretty confident I can do it still in my factory warranty but I’m less the bike really breaks down they don’t do anything any way rude safe 😄
Can you list the parts you purchased for this cam Intall? I’m like you, I’m no Harley tech but I’ve saved thousands doing it myself. I have ordered the s&s 475 cam , gasket kit. I know I’ll need variable pushrods, what else will I need? I’m going to skip the cam chest , new oil pump etc.
Thanks in advance!
Other than that I believe you’ll be good. I ordered the whole kit that included everything: cam plate, oil pump, upgraded tappet cuffs, quickee pushrods, cam cover gasket, upgraded tappets and that kit came with new bolts where it needed it. Don’t forget to add oil back when you open the cam chest. I also did a video where I swapped from the V&H FP3 to a Dynojet Power Vision. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@PaulOnTheRun ok thanks. I also have both tuners! The FP3 and the power vision unit itself. Which works best in your opinion? I had the FP3 first on my old bike 2014 SGS then switched to PV. I actually thought the bike performed better with the FP3.
@@WTDOOR63 before the cam the bike ran great with just a stage 1. Once again put the cams and dropped the new map for it, it took some tuning and I got it running good. After reading that it was lacking power I gave the power vision a shot and wow!!! It really woke up that cam. I honestly could not believe it but glad it was real.
Nice sound brother bikers for Trump.
Just bought the 2021 road glide special.
what exhaust / head pipe you running ?
On that video I was running stock headers decatted with Bassani DNT’s. While it sounded great I had to make
Some adjustments and ended up going back to a intact cat for better performance and now I run Supertrapp Fatahots.
Bro I know this is an old clip, just had to get back and grab some feedback on the 475’s… different exhaust to run with it, and which head pipe… I always ran V&H…. Buddies are going with Rinehardt….. but curious about your Texas neighbor, D&D Exhaust who did Sandavol RG.
I hear he does a great job but it’s gonna be hella loud with a mean growl.
Sounds great... Thinking about doing this myself on my 14SG, did u need any special tools?
Yes. If you’re going the bolt cutter route, you’ll need a bolt cutter to get the existing pushrods out. If you are going to disassemble the rocker tops then no need. You’ll need a inner cam bearing puller/installer and you’ll need an engine cam chain wedge. Be sure to get the one that specifically fits the M8. Torque wrenches are super important and mind whether it needs ft lbs or inch lbs.
@@PaulOnTheRun I have the 103cu inch but I’m sure the process is similar if not the same but thanks for the tips. Looking forward to the Iron Butt Adventure... Ride safe! ✌🏾
@@Teddy_B_Ridn Your 103 is a twin cam so you’ll have two cams to adjust for the proper timing but just take it step by step. If you don’t have a tuner already I recommend the Power Vision tuned by Fuel Moto. I have a video talking about the difference between an FP3 and the Power Vision. Let me know if you have any questions. Deuces ✌🏼
@@PaulOnTheRun I’m running the fp3 with full Vance and Hines headers and exhaust
@@Teddy_B_Ridn definitely check this vid out. I started with FP3 and had to change. However we do have different bikes so give the FP3 a shot first then if that doesn’t work. PV. ua-cam.com/video/d9zuodAtsOE/v-deo.html
The S&S push rod adjustment threads are 32 tpi. You will want 0.100" preload on the lifters meaning you will turn the adjuster another 3.2 turns past zero-lash. 32 x .100 = 3.2 turns.
MAN, IM THINKING OF DROPPING THE SAME CAM IN MY 107 RGS! HOW MANY HOURS YOU RECKON IT TOKK YOU TO DO THE CAM?
I like it! If you plan on doing it yourself it's a fairly easy install. The most important part is just following each step carefully and use the loctite and proper torque values. So far I got about 2000 miles since installed and the bike is feeling is pretty good. It's definitely happy in that mid 3K rpm range.
as far as hours goes, it probably took me about 5-6 hours give or take but I wasn't really counting but there is a lot of time spent just removing the pipes, floorboard, air intake, lower fairing. The cam itself I feel went in pretty fast once I figured out the timing. Deuces ✌
I know this is a few years old. But I hope you’ve ditched that fuelpack and went to a Dynojet using a non canned map? Big difference when you have the actual tune for all the specific work you’ve done with the bike.
Oh yeah. Was probably like a month or so after that I went with DynoJet. Was a big difference on my bottom end and I just couldn’t dial in the V&H FP3. I’ve put about 20k miles on those cams and DynoJet now.
Good job man! Sorry if someone else already pointed it out, but your tri-bar looks loose.
Thanks Chris. It is!!! Haha. I was watching a video and I thought to myself ¨That damn tri-bar sure is bouncing around a lot”. Well I have a trailer hitch mounted and it’s pretty hard to get to but I think I have a bolt that is gone that keeps it from vibrating so much. I need to remove my rear tire to get my hand in there though. Deuces ✌️
@@PaulOnTheRun gotcha. Just know that I have huge hands and was still able to take my rear light assembly off by getting my hand between the tire and fender. I had a little blister from the rubbing (it was a tight fit), but it's totally doable. Give it a shot, you may be surprised!
Was the cam on the list in the fuel pk3?
Yes it is.
But if you are going to stick with the FP3 have them send you a tune instead of picking thru the choices.