Deftones - My Own Summer (Live On Recovery)

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  • @jacobtylerjoyce8169
    @jacobtylerjoyce8169 4 роки тому +1493

    Nobody:
    People who just now found Deftones: Deftones are so underrated!

    • @trashtorey
      @trashtorey 4 роки тому +24

      lmao true

    • @mojo6112
      @mojo6112 4 роки тому +136

      We know Deftones were the shit, but they deserved and still deserve more recognition.

    • @hyp_mez
      @hyp_mez 3 роки тому +5

      Based

    • @M-Xelas-Wekster
      @M-Xelas-Wekster 3 роки тому +7

      Ok boomer

    • @jacobtylerjoyce8169
      @jacobtylerjoyce8169 3 роки тому +26

      @@M-Xelas-Wekster ok boomer

  • @11SEXMACHINE
    @11SEXMACHINE 7 років тому +563

    Abe still plays with that amount of emotion to this day. Always been one of my favorite drummers.

    • @killabee5810
      @killabee5810 4 роки тому +12

      Hard af too

    • @rebelguy9487
      @rebelguy9487 4 роки тому +7

      Agreed.......Abe's one of my favorite drummers as well, along with Stewart Copeland and Chad Sexton

    • @ericmsandoval
      @ericmsandoval 2 роки тому +6

      Abe is the drummer who made me realize I can hit my drums hard lol

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      His physical therapist is very happy

    • @RedZepp71
      @RedZepp71 9 місяців тому

      🐐

  • @XtremeKillah101
    @XtremeKillah101 4 роки тому +226

    Steph's guitar tone is killer

    • @FlyingV555
      @FlyingV555 3 роки тому +25

      I’m not even a huge Deftones fan but man that is one of the fattest guitar tones I’ve ever heard.

    • @keanuismyfather7477
      @keanuismyfather7477 Рік тому +3

      Tis indeed it’s delish 🤤

  • @22Pachanga
    @22Pachanga 3 роки тому +70

    RIP Chi Cheng. What an awesome bassist.

  • @Gonko100
    @Gonko100 13 років тому +236

    i'm 25 now, i started listen to this band when i was 16. they survived my temper, i came back to them. i started loving them again for different reasons. still, i'm convinced the deftones will be remembered.

  • @TheQxx
    @TheQxx 12 років тому +319

    Is Chino's voice so powerful here that it actually makes the mic/vocals cut out a few times? That's absolutely badass.

    • @EviLLivEClan
      @EviLLivEClan 2 роки тому +11

      no

    • @codybeavers4971
      @codybeavers4971 2 роки тому +7

      I think his voice is just not very powerful

    • @soyjuanfz
      @soyjuanfz Рік тому +17

      i think that the mic was a little broken, cuz it seems that chino tries to keep the cable connected

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      Chi's mic can't take it

  • @cameronw87
    @cameronw87 2 роки тому +57

    Imagine turning on your TV on a Saturday morning and finding this or even better still being in the audience. Recovery did humanity a great service.

  • @ivjdivfjalekvvjp
    @ivjdivfjalekvvjp 10 років тому +375

    Probably their best performance of this I've seen.

    • @Methed-Up-Samurai
      @Methed-Up-Samurai 7 років тому +16

      hell yeah, but I don't know if it rivals the bizarre festival performance here on UA-cam somewhere where they performed in the fuckin RAIN tho. if you haven't seen it then you got to!! Chino will be wearing a red windbreaker jacket in it.

    • @TrippyKenpachi
      @TrippyKenpachi 7 років тому +22

      Fuck yeah. It started raining as he said "there's no sun." Lol. Further confirmation that Deftones is God.

    • @EverTheSinger
      @EverTheSinger 6 років тому +9

      nope! live in french TV! in NPA (Nulle Part Ailleurs=Nowhere else) with the blue lights and all and the voice he has it's the best there go check!

    • @EverTheSinger
      @EverTheSinger 6 років тому +2

      sorry in black and white ^^ because they did another fucking great performance there of Change :)

    • @ChewyMorales13
      @ChewyMorales13 6 років тому

      @@EverTheSinger Yes , I've going back to that like crazy and wishing I was around back then for their prime .

  • @Krasher98
    @Krasher98 10 років тому +236

    i love this chino's hair style

  • @Torrasquexxx
    @Torrasquexxx 11 років тому +116

    3:28 sent shivers down my spine
    rest in paece big boy

  • @henriquefernandes1519
    @henriquefernandes1519 8 років тому +106

    I miss chi, this backing vocal in my own summer is fucking amazing! Rip chi :(

  • @JanisGaulke
    @JanisGaulke 10 років тому +284

    3:14 the crowd AND the sound crew thought it was over!:D

  • @locustloco
    @locustloco 9 років тому +352

    R.I.P Chi.

    • @ashrasmun1
      @ashrasmun1 6 років тому +3

      get fucking over with it already...

    • @digitalbath.
      @digitalbath. 6 років тому +28

      eat shit! RIP CHI!

    • @DeadlyRZmoon
      @DeadlyRZmoon 5 років тому +13

      burbon ­ Laugh at your tombstone

    • @kyrokush7672
      @kyrokush7672 4 роки тому +6

      @@ashrasmun1 years later and we still ain't over it bitch..!! RIP Chi

  • @Mrs.r.24
    @Mrs.r.24 8 років тому +393

    This video proves that the 90's shit on every other decade

    • @shadownesiaSGP
      @shadownesiaSGP 7 років тому +18

      pencapchew
      People in the 80s said the same thing about the 90s so I don't see what your point is. Especially when your opinion is incredibly preference based.

    • @rockboy360
      @rockboy360 7 років тому +11

      music,tv,culture were amazing, but fashion was kinda ugly.

    • @grant5603
      @grant5603 6 років тому +10

      Shits on every decade that followed

    • @oui2611
      @oui2611 3 роки тому +6

      @Shadownesia no need to be so pissy about his opinion.
      ofcourse its all based on preference.
      let him enjoy the thought that the 90s are incredibly superior to anything else

    • @anthonyblack3579
      @anthonyblack3579 7 місяців тому

      This was a Saturday morning TV show in Australia, 90s style. 🤘

  • @dragonborn4045
    @dragonborn4045 10 років тому +72

    that sound. that motherfucking sacramento sound.

  • @braid834
    @braid834 5 років тому +59

    If I had a dollar for every time someone said "The Deftones" I wouldn't be typing this right now.

    • @deadroses19
      @deadroses19 3 роки тому

      Perhaps u had like 20 dollars

  • @ellipse3174
    @ellipse3174 12 років тому +73

    This performance is amazing. Most vocalists can't scream as well live but it's just as good if not even better than the cd.

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      Chi was the link

  • @shallowcoder1
    @shallowcoder1 9 років тому +1041

    Deftones are so underrated.

    • @dalediji
      @dalediji 9 років тому +16

      shallowcoder1 who?

    • @palopo-t3v
      @palopo-t3v 9 років тому +86

      +shallowcoder1 What?? They were huge...

    • @dalediji
      @dalediji 9 років тому +47

      +palonazo for me ARE huge

    • @palopo-t3v
      @palopo-t3v 9 років тому +21

      Digi TAL
      No they are not. You like them. But they're not huge. "To be huge" means something diferent.

    • @sunrajah
      @sunrajah 8 років тому +10

      +palonazo -- they may not be HUGE to you, but they are BAD AS CAN BE with or without your approval .............BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

  • @awebuelo
    @awebuelo 3 роки тому +39

    This song and album were definitely ahead of it's time

  • @sunscrave
    @sunscrave 5 років тому +2

    90s chino was UNSTOPPABLE

  • @EternoUno
    @EternoUno 3 роки тому +11

    RIP Chi man his vocals were insane here

  • @harvijimenez6487
    @harvijimenez6487 2 роки тому +35

    Almost 2023 and deftones still breaking my headphones‼️🔥

  • @silviaadriana4299
    @silviaadriana4299 8 років тому +40

    my fav band ever, love Deftones

    • @jasonjewell6399
      @jasonjewell6399 8 років тому +6

      +Silvia Adriana ITS A TOSS UP FOR ME WITH TOOL

    • @taylorbradford7853
      @taylorbradford7853 8 років тому +2

      Silvia Adriana deftones to get in the zone and get me through work when I'm tired, Tool when I want to sit and have a mixed drink and go on a journey. Apples to oranges, you can't compare them

    • @beright7018
      @beright7018 7 років тому +1

      +Taylor Bradford
      that puts it perfectly 👍👌

    • @taylorbradford7853
      @taylorbradford7853 7 років тому

      Be Right haha yeah, their all awesome I just can't pick a favorite. Depends on my mood honestly

  • @varinuk
    @varinuk 10 років тому +43

    deftones forever young!

  • @Roggan238
    @Roggan238 14 років тому +7

    I love this because the crowd is clearly not there for Deftones, but you can never tell the difference in how they perform.

  • @Deadleg
    @Deadleg 8 років тому +76

    Cunningham has great timing.

  • @Khaleeel
    @Khaleeel 9 років тому +18

    that's why i love to watch live videos of deftones, chino's improv
    never know what he's gonna say or do
    to add flavour to the song

  • @mrg027
    @mrg027 9 років тому +38

    Ohh Chi!!! That end was amazing

  • @DIEHARD5234
    @DIEHARD5234 10 років тому +26

    Chino´s voices and chi´s behind so strong.

  • @Weadfreek
    @Weadfreek 11 років тому +46

    TWICE Chino shorted out the board for the microphone...Best Voice EVAR

  • @gurgulica1
    @gurgulica1 14 років тому +6

    there is no other band like DEFTONES and there is no other frontman like CHINO .Everytime I listen to his voice I fall over and over again in love......
    Chino rocks my world ..

  • @WeWantYouToStay
    @WeWantYouToStay 8 років тому +98

    Damn Australia got cool talk shows if they host deftones

    • @liamwade8537
      @liamwade8537 8 років тому +13

      Jimmy Kimmel just had Deftones on. Deftones debut on television was on Conan; both American shows...

    • @WeWantYouToStay
      @WeWantYouToStay 8 років тому +1

      +the Patrick Morrithey Show! Yeah I remembered about jimmy kimmel just after I posted, but they played newer stuff which is a lot softer than the old hardcore stuff like this

    • @liamwade8537
      @liamwade8537 8 років тому +2

      +WeWantYouToStay true, not to many mainstream shows have bands who scream like this.

    • @WeWantYouToStay
      @WeWantYouToStay 8 років тому +1

      +the Patrick Morrithey Show! Very true, I remember in the 90s it was quite different and heavy rock bands were commonplace on late night shows, faith no more for example, but I remember they always played their lighter stuff and singles. This is a very heavy song to be on TV

    • @magicD53
      @magicD53 8 років тому +1

      Jimmy Kemmel has had Deftones

  • @alejandrocontrerasvillarro3626
    @alejandrocontrerasvillarro3626 9 років тому +320

    super saiyan chino !

  • @MsMollyKuehl
    @MsMollyKuehl 6 місяців тому +1

    Flawless performance.

  • @Gutrammer
    @Gutrammer 16 років тому +28

    Best performance i´ve heard of this song, EVER! Man that is SO tight!! Love the Deftones! Can´t wait till Eros!

  • @PARISONFIRE
    @PARISONFIRE 2 місяці тому +1

    What a performance man, uuufffff

  • @BadmanMassi
    @BadmanMassi 2 роки тому +4

    I love it when the crowd thinks it’s all over and starts cheering.. but it ain’t!!

  • @Chranya
    @Chranya 17 років тому +12

    Thank you soOoO much for posting this! This is one of the hardest versions of this song I think they've ever done. Saw it on telly back in '97 and thought I'd never see it again.

  • @ophiknight
    @ophiknight 16 років тому +6

    man i miss the 90's. Everything was just "fresher" i dont know how to describe it.

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      So much happening with music then, mid 90's could have some crazy tour billings with a mix of bands

  • @dannyd1224
    @dannyd1224 9 років тому +30

    chi always had alot of intensity

  • @live_breathe_musix4485
    @live_breathe_musix4485 9 років тому +23

    Damn... that was fucking awesome! RIP Chi!

  • @martygarcia4219
    @martygarcia4219 3 дні тому

    Peak Deftones right here
    I'm glad I got to see them on this tour

  • @myway458
    @myway458 4 роки тому +3

    Almost brings a tear to your eye

  • @ernestoeljaponesalvaradope4514
    @ernestoeljaponesalvaradope4514 4 роки тому +17

    Deftones por siempre

  • @karenlezh2668
    @karenlezh2668 4 роки тому +12

    Amo a Deftones!

  • @horhaychinquezz
    @horhaychinquezz 14 років тому +2

    Saw this on T.V. the morning after seeing them at the corner in richmond for $16, and my ears were still ringing. Easily in my top ten of best gigs ever. What a bloody excellent band!

  • @craighauser9482
    @craighauser9482 7 років тому +5

    Man Chinrocked so hard at every show I've seen!!! RIP brother

  • @jonab2734
    @jonab2734 3 роки тому +1

    This was 9:30am Saturday morning on Australian public run tv. I miss the 90s

  • @reaperofthenorth7097
    @reaperofthenorth7097 4 роки тому +7

    No one knows just how awesome they were. this explains how amazing they are
    0:26

  • @chinozinho
    @chinozinho 16 років тому +1

    I miss the 90's too...best freakin concerts I've seen where in those golden years!I miss that...I really do!

  • @Vossie81
    @Vossie81 10 років тому +5

    FUCKIN AWESOME PERFORMANCE! Deftones never get old I hear them everyday never gets boring everytime I hear them I find something new! Rip CHI!

  • @kindbds007
    @kindbds007 13 років тому +1

    This song was like the go-to when I was in high school tearing up the mud trails in our trucks climbing hills. Extra inspiration via one of the best rock riffs you'll find on guitar from this era of lost bands.

  • @paulloandre5929
    @paulloandre5929 4 роки тому +21

    Drums were way more incredible without the microphones, just listen at 3:15

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      Then they turn the drum mix back on for five seconds oops lol

  • @charliecharlie1445
    @charliecharlie1445 4 роки тому +5

    Abe is my favourite drummer of all time

  • @liquidsin74
    @liquidsin74 3 роки тому +3

    I can play these guys and Tool all day every day.

  • @VIVALDITYAWAN
    @VIVALDITYAWAN 12 років тому +5

    everytime i watch this, i suddenly live in early 2000s. epic as fuqk

  • @islawan1100
    @islawan1100 4 роки тому +3

    We played this shit way back 1999...philippines rep..wazzup

  • @silverbeetle
    @silverbeetle 5 років тому +2

    I was there and was in the last shot of this (missing from this video)... They played the night before, that morning, then a midday underages show then flew interstate to play that night... INSANE!! :D

  • @gumbasmut
    @gumbasmut 15 років тому +3

    Hah... what a VICIOUS performance....the tempo is all over the place, Frank's noises are really prominent in the breakdown, and Chi's vocals are really ripping with Chino's....

  • @alexandrelive100
    @alexandrelive100 2 роки тому +12

    caralho meu brother, que performance mais nervosa do caralho bicho! to aqui altamente alcoolizado vendo esse vídeo! Deftones é foda cara, vê o Aby! que lapada bicho! Chino meteu o vocal agressivo do jeito que a galera gosta! Palco ficou vibrando, e nós que acompanhamos o trabalho dessa banda de muito tempo atrás, vemos que a qualidade dessa banda é iniguálavel!

  • @adamcaulfield7643
    @adamcaulfield7643 8 років тому +11

    Love it.... played a little faster than on the album.

  • @wa7saka
    @wa7saka 2 роки тому +2

    The way he slowly grabs the mic and then quickly wraps the wire around and dives down. The improv is sick

  • @gotkful
    @gotkful 10 років тому +6

    feel the deepest notes! !DEFTONES!!

  • @zolfodor2013
    @zolfodor2013 11 років тому +1

    R.I.P Chi, thanks for the music, amazing band, hope your at peace now,a legend whose spirit will live on.

  • @LuizHenriq
    @LuizHenriq 9 років тому +12

    1998, Really did not know what this band was so old .. I thought that had arisen in 2005 or 2006.

    • @evanurena8868
      @evanurena8868 7 років тому +2

      Goes to show you how they really were ahead of their time back in the day.

  • @Stampwousje
    @Stampwousje 3 місяці тому

    I was 6yr and didnt understand the language, im from the Netherlands. Still had it on replay and headbanging the Computer Screen. 😂❤

  • @fersaiyajin17
    @fersaiyajin17 11 років тому +5

    chi we are all with you :) take a good look at us, we are all looking at you... EVER.. you know you are the fcking best bassist. no one can do it in deftones like you brother... RIP CHI

  • @linkinShaolin
    @linkinShaolin 15 років тому

    Chi was released out of intensive care, and now he's back at home resting.
    I'm happy about that, very happy...well, I like this video and I am thinkin about embedding it on my myspace.

  • @darrenred
    @darrenred 8 років тому +7

    flip I love chinos scream!!!!!

  • @el_chingon_brian
    @el_chingon_brian 6 днів тому

    Deftones FINALLY getting the love they deserve! 🤙🏽

  • @CECRedGhost
    @CECRedGhost 12 років тому +9

    "I wonder how Chino's voice is after that"
    She jinxed him.

  • @BasterXHiphop
    @BasterXHiphop Рік тому +1

    deftones young is gold

  • @EDENTROPIC
    @EDENTROPIC 4 роки тому +3

    Chi 💜 Deftones forever 🤘🏼

  • @vrednie
    @vrednie 16 років тому +1

    Ha ha. I remember watching this on a saturday morning back when I was 16..... Instantly became a Deftones fan. Have been since. There certainly was an awesomeness about the 90's. Especially the music that was coming out at that time. Fuck yeah!!!!!

  • @MyGutFeelsOdd
    @MyGutFeelsOdd 10 років тому +51

    they seem really at home with a smaller crowed

  • @bamb1123
    @bamb1123 7 років тому

    This is the best live performance of my own summer for me.

  • @kyuelol
    @kyuelol 13 років тому +20

    well ppl who say this sucks seem to not realize how stressful it is for a voice to sing this way live. chino's way to sing/scream is quite unique. The slow parts where he stresses the tones are pretty hard to hit peferctly bc of all those screaming parts, which also are pretty awsome if you compare em to what you hear from other bands.

    • @adderon
      @adderon 11 місяців тому

      He paid the price. Chi could carry him but he sadly passed

  • @ball20ball20
    @ball20ball20 16 років тому +1

    best performance of my own summer

  • @sab5043
    @sab5043 3 роки тому +9

    Abe beating the shit out of those drums

  • @tinojones5418
    @tinojones5418 2 роки тому

    Always loved that guitar

  • @coryleblanc
    @coryleblanc 9 років тому +96

    lol when people clap cuz they think the song's over

    • @tsfbaf303
      @tsfbaf303 9 років тому +15

      You also clap for great solos or other stuff you like during the song, or to make the band keep going.

    • @3rd_iimpact
      @3rd_iimpact 9 років тому +28

      +Meine Namen They actually clapped thinking it was over though.

    • @egotech4736
      @egotech4736 3 роки тому

      @@3rd_iimpact so what?

    • @slayer.4118
      @slayer.4118 3 роки тому

      it made it souund better

  • @sepulslayer
    @sepulslayer 16 років тому

    this show went off the air about the time this show was filmed... around 98/99... i was to young to appreciate it then but looking at it now, recovery had some rad artists...

  • @layladylay265
    @layladylay265 9 років тому +8

    gah damn is that Abe - he's giving it hell . Fuck yeah

    • @BenBensen
      @BenBensen 8 років тому

      little boy back then :D

    • @ronyro3270
      @ronyro3270 7 років тому

      tones kentkorn one of the greatest drummer ever 👊

  • @fedelegrand9918
    @fedelegrand9918 2 роки тому +2

    Hey you, big star
    Tell me when it's over
    (Cloud)
    Hey you, big mood
    Guide me to shelter
    'Cause I'm through when the two
    Hits the six and it's summer
    (Cloud)
    Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Shove) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (The sun) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Aside) Shove it aside!
    I think God is moving its tongue
    There's no crowd in the streets and no sun
    In my own summer
    The shade is a tool, a device, a savior
    See, I try and look up to the sky
    But my eyes burn
    (Cloud)
    Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Shove) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (The sun) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Aside) Shove it aside!
    Shove! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Shove) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (The sun) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Aside) Shove it aside!
    I think God is moving its tongue
    There's no crowd in the streets and no sun
    In my own summer
    Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Shove) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (The sun) Shove it! Shove it! Shove it!
    (Aside) Shove it aside!

  • @java8
    @java8 11 років тому +4

    One word for Chi - AWESOME

  • @edenlost6826
    @edenlost6826 6 років тому +2

    I luv chino's jacket and killer vocals

  • @yoe91
    @yoe91 13 років тому +4

    LMAO at the bassist yelling his ass off with all the music stopping looooooool ! And that crowd sucks so much lol they thought the song was over...
    Great song, really great stuff.

  • @jeremyrulzzzz
    @jeremyrulzzzz 15 років тому +1

    Classic, stoked for the new album.

  • @tronker7248
    @tronker7248 8 років тому +5

    BRUTAL

  • @halcyon0830
    @halcyon0830 15 років тому

    1997 - the best year for music since the beginning of mankind.

    • @cybetruck13
      @cybetruck13 3 роки тому

      Well said. 11 years later and still true!!!!!

  • @ShastaBean
    @ShastaBean 2 роки тому +3

    3:37 - British Ariana Grande seemed to enjoy it

  • @andresnvrrx
    @andresnvrrx 11 років тому +1

    chi siempre estaras en los mejores recuerdos.

  • @mcorp4268
    @mcorp4268 8 років тому +27

    Stephen sounds like me when I try to play this...

    • @haschengrubex7131
      @haschengrubex7131 6 років тому +10

      then you are great cause this is the best version of this song

  • @w.holtgordonjr.6092
    @w.holtgordonjr.6092 4 роки тому +1

    So damn good live, pure and raw!¡!

  • @atfdef908
    @atfdef908 9 років тому +27

    3:37 HEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!
    An appropriate reaction to the Deftones lol.

    • @hast3372
      @hast3372 8 років тому +1

      +xMetalPocalypse666x definitely lol.

    • @liamwade8537
      @liamwade8537 8 років тому

      It's not THE Deftones. it's just Deftones.

    • @atfdef908
      @atfdef908 8 років тому +1

      Linch Pin Thanks, try telling me something I don't know next time bud.
      Also, I'm pretty sure Chino, Stef, and the rest of the crew could give less of a shit about what people call the band, whether it be the Deftones or just Deftones. I think 'the Deftones' sounds cooler and is a badass name, so there you go.

    • @atfdef908
      @atfdef908 8 років тому +2

      Linch Pin Well first off, I know it doesn't mean shit if I personally like it, but there are other people that use it as well. It's just another common name for them, and it's not a big deal that people use it. There is no right or wrong in it, just preference. Also, im so edgy i could cut you breh (sarcasm). I know my description sounds stupid and like a typical teen but I'm just making a joke out of it (I had some fun making it, as you can tell). I know high school is nothing compared to the shit we're all gonna go through in life as we grow up and mature. I'm not some oblivious and condescending prick that you think I am, just judging from my profile. Also, I'm pretty sure I didn't offend you in any way in my comment, so if I did, then I didn't mean it.

    • @liamwade8537
      @liamwade8537 8 років тому

      +xMetalPocalypse666x I'm sorry I sounded like a dick there. you sound like a cool kid

  • @Chrisdoesntlikenoisecore
    @Chrisdoesntlikenoisecore 3 роки тому

    i loved them since I was 10

  • @Loud0glbc
    @Loud0glbc 4 роки тому +5

    ...but my eyes burn.

  • @whereispie
    @whereispie 4 роки тому

    Listen them in school, so great to hear them after 17 years 🙂

  • @FoIlowTheLeader
    @FoIlowTheLeader 14 років тому +3

    I'm not a huge fan of the Deftones but I must admit this is fucking badass.

  • @bluesteel8586
    @bluesteel8586 2 роки тому

    One of the best bands in my opinion. So raw