Why I'm Selling My DOF Reality M2 Motion Platform!
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2021
- Time to move on my DOF Reality M2 Motion Platform, watch on to find out why!
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For anyone contemplating this seat mover. I’ve used it for almost a year and I can’t race without it. Once you get the settings right it works very well and consistently. Racing without it feels dull to me. I’m more about immersion than competitiveness, however I do feel the seat mover made me more aware of what the car is doing so a win-win in my book.
I've been deliberating getting a seat mover for so long now and have funds for a cheap one., seen so many Utubers and still cant decide.I'm Running a T300 wheel that I'm happy with so far. so it's either 2dof or dd wheel?. I'm not out to be the best, just to have the best time. Also I'm in VR. so question is, does the movement work well (dialed down some) and is it immersive. I would appreciate your opinion, . Cheers dude
I'm not super techy have a pc only had for about 6 months now is it easy to set up the motion?
One of the things I love about your videos is they are so much like having a conversation with a friend about new gear. We can't all afford all the gear and sometimes you need to sacrifice one thing for another. It just makes me smile how human you are and normal. I bet most of your subs would agree you seem like the kind of guy we could go have a beer with and sit and chat about this stuff all day.
Thanks very much mate, means a lot! :)
Second hand t500rs on full power
Makes good sense. I’ve recently purchased the next level racer seat mover and have it turned down as to not interfere with my driving and have set it up with belt on bungee cord for belt tensioning. The feedback is really useful but can imagine on full power is too distracting. One thing I did that has worked well is 4 Dayton audio pucks in the racing seat cushions, 2 under my backside and 2 under my thighs, set up for each corner and use it for traction loss etc. Under £100 and much more effective.
I've got my beady little eyes on a VRS direct force pro... enjoy the DD1!
From my 3 years experience with motion platforms I have to agree with you, it is hard work, trying to be pin point is much more difficult when having to compensate against the motion... Great move to go for the DD1 in it's place Karl mate, I like your approach. Also, motion rigs require plenty of tweaks and adjustments, weeks if not months of constant honing, it's not as easy as you'd think it'd be.
God bless you Karl. You are a wonderful resource for new and interesting info. I am new to sim racing but feel comfortable purchasing many of the products you have demonstrated because of your presentations and examples of how to use and program these integral systems. I now spend MANY hours a day enjoying my rig and I check for your vids every day because I know your going to share useful information and new cool stuff to check out. Cheers sir!
Thats very kind of you mate thanks! :)
@Donkey Dem : Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Karl is definitely my go-to reference on sim gear. Apart from all that, it is just so enjoyable to watch his videos due to Karl’s sincerity and down-to-earth approach.
Karl! I can’t believe you’re getting rid of the seat mover. I’m just thinking, you could probably build the SFX-100 full motion system for around the same price as the seat mover and strap it onto your aluminum rig. It may not help you be faster than your mates, but it’s a little closer to the real thing. Cheers!
I appreciate the honesty and realization that one must sell something to achieve a practical goal.
I bought a DD2 in August 2020 and it’s been the best purchase I’ve made for sim racing! Treat yourself to a Buttkicker as well and you get amazing info coming through your hands, arms and backside too!
So far I'm really enjoying it! :)
I already have a four transducer setup, tactile feedback is a must have IMO, really adds to everything! :)
@@KarlGosling awesome, you are set for amazing times once your DD1 arrives! Enjoy buddy, you definitely deserve it!
I play underground occasionally. I used to like the drag race mode on it.
I love your reviews. I was on the fence about motion. I was considering the dof that moves everything. AHHHHH can't decide.
It's definitely fun!
I had a next level v3, was a fun motion device but I got through 3 of them due to quality issues. Just too unreliable in my opinion and dealing with next level in Australia was a bit of a pain. Under warranty they made me send a 2 grand piece of kit that had failed (not through my own fault) back to Wales (for them then to send onto poland) AT MY OWN COST. To properly insure it I had to pay £100 or take a gamble.
For the third replacement, rather than send it back to Wales/Poland they made me remove the control pcb and video proof that i destroyed it, then i had to bin the rest of the motion device before they would send a new one, that was a bit weird. In the end when the new one arrived i decided enough was enough and with 3 months left on the warranty i cut my losses and immediately sold it.
Would never buy Next Level again. I would only consider maybe a Simrig SR1 now as price is "affordable" but tbh i dont miss motion, you soon relearn to live without it, a bit like buttkickers.
Dont waste your money, spend it on a decent Direct Drive (Simucube or a fanatec DD1) and a decent comfy seat (Sparco)
I’m saving up money to replace my CSL elite with a fanatec DD for PS, yeah if you had full motion it wouldn’t be a problem
I use 2 Buttkickers to give me info on wheel slip/lock, bigger road bumps, kerbs and some bigger road bumps. I have been thinking about an active belt tensioner. That said, I'm in VR and I do use a harness only for immersion. It really puts me in the zone LOL
I have active belt tensioners coming so we'll see how they are! :)
@@KarlGosling Defnitely looking forward to a review!
Definitely look at a SFX100 full motion rig.
This is a set of 4 actuators that you attach to your existing rig, and is DIY (some are selling them complete) and cost around £1600.
Shame you weren't local to me (Middlesbrough) as i would let you have to a go of mine so you can give it a try.
Thanks Matt that would have been cool to come and try! :)
Yeah, I also feel I'm faster when i don't have motion on but I don't enjoy it as much so I just accept being slower, not like I'm going to win any trophies anyway :)
My advise: Go for a tactile feedback system with Buttkickers. They give you good cues without sacrificing performance. I've tried about a dozen motion-system at the Expo and sorry to tell you: The full motion-rigs are worse. I've tried your motion-system, the NLR v3 twice, SimXperience Stage 3, Vesaro and another D-Box-system and some others. The more impressive the motion looks and the price, the more I was disappointed after and every system feels like it's not good for performance. When the SimXperience GS-5 was announced, I went for that and got a G-Belt last year. I'm happy with it since and I'm still fast because it does everything (6 DOF), but not in a harsh way and rather similar with a lower powered road-car. It is actually more haptic feedback like getting a massage from telemetry. But I don't like it for DR2. Tactile Feedback is better there as well and for FFB: The Accuforce is the best for DR2. Point. I got a SimuCube 2 Pro and it's mostly better in other titles, but DR2 doesn't feel as great as before, not even close. I've my Accuforce still here and probably need to go under 600 Euros to sell it.
PS: Just tuned the GS-5 a bit for DR2 and feels better now. Less is more even with DR2.
If the DOF moves the seat but the wheel does not with it, it would still be more fun wohout DOF, but Id feel DOF can improve immersion by having the wheelbase attached to the rig's motions. Would be a legendary upgrade with probably not much effort to do so in the next gen or as a upgradeable mod
As Im one of the few owners of the realteus feelforce seat pad it's a great cheap alternative to a motion and such a missed opportunity by realteus for mucking people about.
Good rationale - at least, it largely matches my perceptions and prejudices. Consider harness tensioners, which can help immersion while providing useful feedback.
I have some coming from SRS for review once development is finished.
Being REALLY in competition with others always means measuring my abilities, physical and mental, decisions and their execution, with other players.
This means we have to use the same rules on the same pitch.
And that is never the case in e-racing, not even in iracing competition.
Each player extends his abilities through hard and software, the PC, the Lan connection, the controllers, the configurations.
Cybernetic enhancements...
Tennis players use with different rackets, but the ball/court, the environment is identical.
In racing the road, the environment is not the same for someone who's got a 60hz monitor or 120hz.
A 34" or 55" monitor, frequency in haptic and movements effects are also influencing the performance.
E-racing in competition is ultimately frustrating when you lose with a Fanatec wheel against someone using a keyboard.
Immersion is the real competition.
Who has succeeded building op the best immersion that still allows for best racing times, which means consistent lap times, not a single lap time.
It's not about how much or how little effects, it's about the coherence and coordination of effects to improve performance, just as in a real car.
And the M2 is technically a poor piece of hardware, when considering coherence and coordination.
Great vid Karl, I’m stuck in the challenge seat so no chance of getting this. I need more space 👍
PS is perfect if space is an issue.
Get the direct drive simexperience wheel from the US. It would be interesting as a review as its price is actually the most reasonable. I got the Fanatec Clubsport wheel,pedal and stick package and feel its a little overpriced for what it is, although it has made me faster than on the G29. Fanatec CS pedals ask for upgrades that should be included already.
Love my accuforce V2 . Its severely underpriced. And insainly adjustable through the software. And the button box is pretty nice . Not as nice as the fanatec universal. But at the price I bought 2 button boxes and quick releases . Best value to quality hands down.
Great videos and honest advice. I'd also suggest the SFX-100 actuators bolted to your current profiles if you do want motion again, if you need information on the build let me know.
Thanks mate! :)
Is SFX-100 to noisy for neighbors if you live in an apartment?
@@kezman82a The actuators are very quiet but a motion rig will be noisy for neighbors in an apartment because they are high powered actuators hitting the ground when you run over rumble strips or kerbs etc.
@@kezman82a I have one as wel and put rubber footing pads for a washer under each actuator. It allows you to feel everything without vibrating the floor. It works great and isn’t noisy. I’ve only had it for 2 weeks so far and won’t look back. Greatest addition to the rig so far 👍
@@gregdoucet3721 thanx a lot. Think I’m going for it :)
Glad you confirmed what i always thought about those seat moving motion platforms and to some extent the whole FFB settings thing.......
and there you go it took 4:04 minutes for you to get over the mans maths.... with the 'it gives me an excuse to buy a DD wheel'... brilliant... we all do the same mate
It will be interesting to see your thoughts going from lower end wheels to a DD wheel...really looking forward to that vid
Good thinking on the DD, I think it will add to your reviews. Too bad no one will kick one your way. I bought the GT Prime and SRS Shakekit Plus thanks to you (& SRG) which makes you an influencer and why I support you on Patreon. I am curious why you seem against the VRS DD? Seen some good reviews saying it has more detail and less grittiness than the DD1 and SRG gave it a recommend, too.
Thanks mate! :)
The VRS is just too messy for me, external control box, massive cables, no wireless wheel connectivity and then there's compatibly... Fanatec has none of those drawbacks and saves me two USB ports as well :)
@@KarlGosling makes sense. I'll probably end up with a DD1 eventually, too. Have a CSW 2.5, 3.0 pedals, and 3 Fanatec wheels. It's like Apple, once you're in the ecosystem, it's tough to get out...
Im curious on your thoughts on the Yaw2
Hi dude i just ordered the H3, three weeks and counting. You gotta a nice wheel heading your way
Hope you enjoy it mate! :)
@@KarlGosling thanks what seat did you use? I’m looking out for one but pricey sparcos are nice but £230
Love my h3. No problems after I initial setup.
@@michaelriehl7206 nice one any tips when building
Before even a word was spoken i put a thumbs up! why? The shirt!! Commodore 64 Baby!
Yeah, I want, no _need_ one for myself.
As well as a considerable number of hours under the bar to complete the look, more than I'm currently putting in.
quick question did you ever encounter your M2 producing a burning smell, almost like the wires or something inside box was burning. mine is doing that on the wires that plug into the black box to give the motors power get hot, and the left motor is hotter then the right one.
No mate I didn't, something isn't right there!
I have the DD2. If you lift weights, (obviously you lift weights) you want the DD2. Less clipping with higher forces. Unless you only plan on using a formula rim, (which it doesn't sound like you are) the larger diameter rim size you put on, the more torque you'll need. For the price difference and longer warranty its a no-brainer. Thank me later with a sub. :)
DD1 is fine for me mate, I'm not seeing more than about 15nm in use... just because I can run it higher doesn't mean I want to! lol I don't want the steering so heavy it makes it harder to drive :)
great vid sir
iv got p3 got to use it cant wait brought it ages ago just have not got round to it yet ha
I recently contacted DOF regarding the H2 seat mover and they suggested I watched one of your you tube videos! So fair play to you. I do However find it a bit piss poor that DOF's tech team were unable to answer my question in house!! That is slightly worrying prior to buying?
Yeah not the most helpful!
7:11 -- LOVE that you dropped the F-bomb on here😂 More content creators need to keep it real. For all the "I have kids watching" softies: Your kids will be OK -- if hearing a curse word will scar them & damage them, then wow, they are going to have a rough life ahead of them😂
The world is delicate these days mate! lol
I spot butt kickers in the background. I'm interested as I have the same rig 😎
4 Reckhorn BS200i's to be exact! :)
Nice shirt. I still have a Commodore 64 in my closet.
I still have my Atari 800, floppy drive & printer 👍
I'm a big retro fan, have most of my old computers an consoles form my childhood too! :)
Hi Karl. Love the channel mate been watching you for awhile. I have a DD1 And love it. Im guessing your motion platform is already gone. If it hasn't I would like to register my interest in buying it from you mate. Let me know. Have a great day and keep up the great channel.
Yeah went the first day I put it up mate but thank you.
@@KarlGosling Thanks For letting me know Karl. I guessed it would be gone. But hey if you don't ask you don't know right. Look forward to your future content mate.
Don't discount the seat movers, the reaction speed of the movement is way better than full motion rigs.
Good decision, in my opinion, Karl. The direct drive will be a big upgrade. Since I bought, and fine-tuned, my ButtKicker Gamer, I have moved on from wanting a motion platform.
I agree mate, my 4x tactile setup gives much more than the seat mover did... but it was fun! :)
I've been considering the M2 seat mover, but price +$200 shipping to US makes me wonder.
How much additional or percentage-wise "in the car" feel & fun would it provide? 🤔
I was figuring transducers would get me part of the way there for sure, but in your opinions, how close to the feel are transducers only vs transducers + seat mover?
I'm not rich, so I'm anxious to get the straight poop.. lol
I'd love to have some friends who are into this too - that lap-time comradery sounds like fun.
But, I don't see the point in a motion platform that only moves your seat. I mean vibrations sure, but in a real car your seat and pedals and wheel are part of the car, and move together accordingly.
Dilemma here. You want either fast times, or you want emersion which leads to fun
Yup exactly!
I adore my 64. ♥️ 🕹
Have you tried the next level seat mover? Would it be worth it to go with this, or just keep saving for next level?
It's exactly the same just a little smoother.
First off, I would like to say thank you for helping sort out the settings on my MP2 to get it tuned in with the tutorial video. I have seen the combination with a seat mover and actuator which the actuators give the up/down/left/right motion while the seat mover gives the opposing force while in the corner to represent G-forces. That is my plan at least:
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VRS direct force pro is the way to go!!!!
Not for me mate.
for road racing a DIY SFX100 simulator is the best, and way cheaper than D-Box.
Definitely way cheaper and a good option but not the "best" for everybody mate.
@@KarlGosling What's best in your opinion?
Someone has seen the latest PT-Actuator 6DOF review from Barry on "Sim Racing Garage" maybe..??? 🤔 I wouldn't be made at yah for selling your existing kit for an upgrade of that sort..!!! 👍💯😎
lol Thats way out of my budget both now and in the future!! Looks amazing though! :)
Your videos description says use code KG5 for a discount on ALL products and the website returns an error when attempting to buy dofreality h3 with coupon code KG5 saying code is only valid for CERTAIN products.... i was about to pull the trigger and purchase until i saw this error and got annoyed by two things one it doesnt work as claimed and two the pricing between sim racing studios and dofreality's own site is different which is suspect considering that SRS Site is lower than the manufacturers?
Sorry mate my guess is it only works for SRS products? This discount code is over 2 years old! Long before they started being a dealer for DOFR and others.
@@KarlGosling hows that when you mention usin it for exactly that in the video?
small sacrifice in the name of better content for the page. and for the average sim racer
How are you guy's still in lockd0wn i live in queensland Au, and we never bothered with any mask rules or lockdowns at all. We had almost zero people get sick!. I feel for you guy's over their it must be so hard being told you can't go out. Thank god for Sim Racing. LOL
Probably because your entire population is the equivalent to just one of our cities (London) and is spread across a country 10x the size of ours! lol
@@KarlGosling Australia is actually more than 30x bigger than U.K, I am sure that had something to do with it.
Does this work for PS4
I'm selling my DD2, three Podium Hubs, three button clusters, APM with 3mm gold paddles, McLaren GT3 wheel, DSD Podium Button Boxes, SimLab P1x Podium mount.
Haha....Sell it to the mate who beat your times! Also I'm surprised you don't have a white cat. Ori clashes with the white decor...lol.
lol Thats a good idea! :)
We had her before we decorated, should have painted the house a different colour! lol
@@KarlGosling just paint cat, a lot cheaper 😂😂😂
My friend is faster than me, i should buy him a M2. ;D
You should! ;) lol
get a simucbe 2 pro alot better than dd1/dd2 . had both!
Butt kicker Gamer 2 Tuned, is good enough 😉
I have 4 tactile transducers already mate.. wouldn't be without them, but it's nothing like motion.
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Im thinking of making a video with a similar title... Why Im selling myself to purchase a H3 motion platform.
Dont judge me, *%# girls need love too.
Rs6 vs rs9 comparison and what the real differences are
Video already produced and in the queue mate! :)
The fastest Sim racers usually use the cheapest equipment with single screen. So what you say is true the equipment that makes it more immersive usually doesn't make you any faster. Your brain gets used to using the visual queues from the game rather than the extra cues from force feed back which is usually a slower thing to react to. the brain will react faster to visual input from the monitor and tyre sounds from speakers than it will from lag delayed motion sim pits and force feedback steering wheels. That said they do make it much more immersive and fun by a lot more than most would think in the same way people that haven't tried VR don't realise just how good it is until they try it.
Spot on mate, I don't miss my motion platform at all now it's gone!
Have you sold it yet?
Yeah long gone mate.
could you please help me with dirt rally all my controls work but i have lost in car wheel animation
Sorry mate I have no idea why that it.
3DOF is a minimum for sim racing
You really need both the seat and wheel moving in conjunction. Deal breaker for me.
You definitely don't need it, but I think it would bet much better for sure :)
@@KarlGosling Yes , First world Problem
@@rtimmins7212 no-one cares protest elsewhere mate 👍
@@Skippy-id9yt huh? I dont think you understand my harmless comment. I like Karl and his Videos a lot. Have a fantastic day!!!
@@rtimmins7212 no no you understood wrong , the whole first world rubbish you spout (joke or not), it's kinda pathetic....YOU have a super day youself matey......will not reply further.....
Sell the wind simulator instead
Worthless in actual money! lol