DOF Reality SFU Gearbox Upgrade - Part 1: The Basics
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- DOF Reality has released a new gearbox design that promises to make the movement for their motion platforms better. We test this new SFU Gearbox Upgrade on my H6 to see how it does. This is a new series discussing the SFU Gearboxes on my DOF Reality H6. This first video is an introduction to the new gearbox and how it compares to the original H6 gearboxes. This is the first episode in a series that will also include how we put the upgrade together (Part 2) and also the modifications we made to the H6 to maximize performance (Part 3).
Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
1:09 - Big Surprise from DOF Reality
2:40 - Thank You DOFRealityBuilders
3:27 - What Does SFU Stand For?
4:22 - Testing the SFU Gearbox
5:21 - Side By Side Gearbox Comparison of SFU vs. Original H6
12:05 - Discussing Results
13:21 - Concerns About SFU Gearbox Upgrade
17:21 - Conclusion
If you have questions please comment below or email me. I will do my best to include answers in upcoming segments under the appropriate topics.
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You do an amazing job with your videos. Thank you and I can’t wait to see more. I am hoping they will come out with a whole new P6 and H6 with these upgrades plus the MUCH NEEDED steering wheel mount flimsiness issue addressed.
Thanks for the comment and compliment Donkey! We finally got the new arms installed just last night and will be re-calibrating the unit tonight. I'll use the platform for a few weeks to make sure everything is working well and then I'll film Part 3 of the series showing all our mods. We did so much custom work to get the SFU Upgrade to work to it's maximum potential, and I'm excited to share what we did. Stay tuned, there will be lots more videos coming up!
I have the H3 and I am really considering this upgrade. I received a Email from Igor on May 9th 2022 to upgrade but I was waiting to see more reviews on the SFU and you were on my list to watch. Thx for this better in depth review more then the others I have seen. I Think in a few more months some of these small problems will get resolved then I will make my purchase. I use my platform mostly for rallying, racing, NL2, and a little flying in MSFS2020 and I am sure with maybe a little more smoothness it will be a little more immersive. Looking forward to Part 2.
Thanks for the in depth comment GT, means a lot that you trust my opinion. It is my understanding that another benefit of the SFU upgrade for H2/H3 users is that it takes all the "play" out of the rig. I've never used one of those so not sure how big a problem that is, but considering the H3 pivots on a U-joint, I can imagine it is noticeable. That being said, I think you are right to wait as I think there are going to be some tweaks to these units down the road. Time will tell I guess.
You have a gift of gab and its obvious your easily self educated. Love the content...instant subscribe.
Keep pushing and improving...your channel WILL blow up 👍
Thank you so much for the comment Michael! What's so funny is when I started the channel, I didn't think anyone would ever be interested in my opinion... yet here we are getting close to 2000 Subscribers. If the channel "blows up" that would be great, but honestly as long as someone out there finds my content interesting, informative and maybe entertaining... then I am happy to continue. I really appreciate the Subscribe and I hope you enjoy some of the other videos as well!
I got a P6 SFU few weeks ago it's lovely and I have a CKAS V4 6DOF from 2009 ...so I understand sometning about Stewart Platforms ...great product ! Sergio
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you are loving it. I just climbed out of mine after a few hours of flight... and I still enjoy it as much as the day I bought it. Thanks for watching and hope to hear from you again.
Well done Mark and a BIG thanks
You are welcome Les, thanks all the support and encouragement!
Thanks Mark for another informative video.
Thanks for watching P Chow, we still have a lot to do with the H6 but I'm excited to see what kind of performance we can eventually get out of the new gearboxes.
Thank you again for your nice videos!
Appreciate the View and the Comment SG. This took a little longer than I wanted it to, but I really wanted to include the side by side comparison so we had to wait to get it all working well before we could film that part. Hope it was worth the wait in the end.
Great video, new sub from it :-)
I have the P6 and am going to wait a bit longer for all the little items to be updated as you mention prior to me upgrading. I am interested in 2 items though on your setup. Your keyboards and mounts, can you provide more details on those as well as I just got the SRS Wind Package and love where you put yours, which mounts did you use to hold your Fans? Thanks again for a great video
Well Thank You Brian for watching, commenting and subscribing! So you can get all the info about the peripherals here ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html with links to the products in the description. If you have more questions after watching that one, just let me know and I'll do my best to answer them for you!
Maaaate.
I love it.
I use an old wooden chair.
Seriously, it's considering splashing out the dollars that I think would be a great investment.
Thanks for watching Andrew, there are A LOT more videos on this thing on the channel for you to also watch then. I'm also working on a new video this week around the changes to DOF Reality now, and I'm also working on a discount code for anyone who decides to buy one from my channel. Stay tuned so you don't miss any of that. I guarantee this thing is better than the old wooden chair :) Thanks so much for the comment.
When you talk about the movement does the flexing on your carpet kinda help cause this issue? I would try a base of wood or something heavy.
Thanks for the recommendation David. I don't think that is the issue because other people are seeing this problem too, and they are on solid surfaces. If we can't figure anything else out, I will try what you recommend. Appreciate the view!
I wonder if over the years the wires that are being pushed into the carpet would cause a problem later. I just ordered the gears for my H3. Looking forward to installing them
Hi Jay, I wouldn't say the wires are being pushed into the carpet. Since they come out of the back of the motors, it is more like the wires are being picked up and set down on the carpet, there really isn't any pressure being applied to the connection. I guess time will tell, but thanks for the comment, I will keep an eye on it.
Hi, very helpful video.. what software do you use to connect the platform to the roll coaster simulator?
Hi Macbrowndog... just use Sim Racing Studio, it works great with the DOF Reality stuff! Easy to adjust everything to your liking too.
About the spike or stutter after fast movement to max and back: I read somewhere that adding a diode (Schottky type) per electric board in the controller box takes care of that issue. If interested, I can provide more info - just need to look it up in my notes.
Thanks hanskrohn... LOL I found that too and they are actually already on order from Amazon, might even get here today :) For anyone else interested in this fix, here is the link to the details www.tvdr.de/sim/2/power.htm?fbclid=IwAR1Txh-IH6CsYRAdR0pPjFuMzS5KQuHzglHk7Oh8FTgESXG870t0xs8BDl4 and here is the link to the diodes I'm going to try amzn.to/48EDoN2
I see that there are more degrees of movement, but it's more smoothed out, and i'm not sure if this is an advantage, since it seems less responsive? Is there a setting to make it do sharper/faster motions as well?
I'm interested in buying a motion simulation system for the first time
Hi Khen, yes the SRS Software has a TON of settings to play with to get the motion dialed in how you like. I would say you could consider it "less responsive" because there is more available movement (so it does take longer to go to the extremes), but realistically you are not talking much difference and if you can't A/B compare the 2 you wouldn't likely notice. I personally think DOF systems are good for 1st timers, I've got this video talking about why I chose it if you are interested ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html Hope that helps.
Thanks for the review. I was just about to buy these but the movement with no power is a non negotiable problem for me.
Glad the video helped Raptor G. Yep, I think that will be an issue for several people and I'm not sure there is a fix that could easily be implemented.
For the P3/H3 can you just upgrade the two front motors, (ie not the Yaw motor)
Absolutely you can. The Yaw motor doesn't need to be SFU. I do recommend to people buying a new one... If they are planning to upgrade to an H6 at some point, they might as well buy all 3 SFU's so they don't have to swap the Yaw one out when they go H6. But that doesn't really matter if you are upgrading instead of purchasing new. Thanks for the question.
How do you attach the keyboard to the arms? Velcro?
Hi Khan, I have a whole video about the peripherals ( ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html ) which will take you to the keyboard section. Basically we install these little shelves and then bolted the keyboard to them. You probably could use velcro too for the keyboard if you don't want to do all that work, but I'd recommend you at least bolt the shelves to the rig for stability. I have affiliate links on that video too that will take you to each product. Good luck and thanks for watching our content.
I was curious, when you bought the h3, did you have to pay 20% import taxes/fees off the total? Sounds like its something that needs factored when purchasing from them.
I bought the H6 straight away. Yes I think there was some import fee but I don't remember what it was. Pretty normal for purchases overseas, but yes you still need to take them into account. I think I got a total with fees and stuff before I placed the order so it wasn't a surprise.
If i got an h3 with the SFU upgrade, would I have to order any more SFU gearboxes with the h3 to h6 upgrade?
Hi Brady, You would have to have 3 more gearboxes but all that, and everything else you would need is included in DOF Reality's Upgrade Package. I can't tell if it comes with SFU automatically so you would want to verify it has the SFU Gearboxes. If not, I'm sure you could upgrade those with your order. Hope that helps.
You say that you now have the P6 motion range. I have the P6, will it give me more motion then? Already bought the new gearboxes, but have not started mounting
From what I understand from DOF, the P6 does not get more motion... but I'm not sure how that can be the case since you are changing the arms and in my mind it should. I would say the P motors should be able to move things faster than the H motors. If you don't mind, please report back after your install and let us know if you get more motion or not... that might definitively answer this question that I've wondered about as well.
Any updates on the glitch you mentioned in the last month about overshot? Thinking about purchasing an H6 and understand the SFU gearboxes come included, is it worth holding off for? I'm ok with working through it if it's not a game breaker.
We reinstalled the gas struts and that seemed to help. I think the overshoot issue isn't as bad now and will probably be fixable just not 100 percent said sure how yet. Might hold off just a little bit longer before you order one. I'm planning to do a part 3 video once we figure a few extra things out.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for your response and update, I'll stay tuned. I was gonna go with the H6 but found out from the dof chatbot that SFU comes stock on that now.
Can a complete gearbox/firmware uninstall and rollback be completed with SFU gearboxes? If so, maybe I'll just dive in with an H3, do the SFU upgrade, and uninstall if experiencing the same and intolerable. Then in the future I can go up to the H6...
@@Andy-fs4bb I would imagine you could roll back if needed but that would be a better question for DOF. The biggest thing from my understanding are a new movement arm design that is better. If the new models have that then you might be good with either the 6 or 3. I'm trying to find out more but no info yet
@@Andy-fs4bb DOF said their policy is never to roll back their firmware updates. I do not like my firmware update and the way it initialize the H6. They refuse to roll back.
did you determine if the gas shocks were needed?
Officially they are not needed, but putting mine back on alleviated the overheating issues we were having with the motors. They do also interfere with movement so we had to buy some cone spacers to put between them and the chassis. We just had to upgrade the arms so if that all works out I will be doing a full recap of the modifications that we did on my H6. Stay tuned!!!
does anyone know if the gear box will fit a P3 rig
Yes you can order the upgrade from DOF Reality. You can decide if you want to replace all 3 gearboxes or just the 2 main ones (not the sway). There is debate on if 2 or 3 should be replaced but I personally don't think the sway needs swapped out unless you really want to go to that extra effort and expense.
I have seen that both the H6 and the P6 are now advertised with SFU Drive. As does the H2, and the H3. Does this now mean that there is little difference between the H series and the P series?
My understanding is yes, you only need the P Series if you are running something like an Arcade or using the platform all day, everyday. Otherwise the H series is fine for most using it in the home. No need to spend the extra money for the P-Series if you don't need it... the motion is the same on both. Thanks for the question.
Thanks for the helpful info. I do have a P2 but before the SFUs were included. but i am going to purchase a new H6 DOF Reality@@GYGOtv
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Hi
I have located a P3 which means it has the Yaw. I can now just upgrade this with the SFU gearbox and a cyber cover. Can i still use the discount code for this@@GYGOtv
I purchased the upgrade and just now got it.. Im going over all the procedures etc.. but there is one thing that is missing. I got all this extra hardware but I don't have any diagram on how the new rails mount etc. Kind of confusing.
Congratulations on your upgrade!!! Did you happen to watch my Part 2 (ua-cam.com/video/dRWg9C67sLE/v-deo.html)? It might help. If not, let me know specifically what you mean by "rails" and I'll see if I can help more. Good luck!
@@GYGOtv I figured out what the rails were after seeing a glimpse of how the motors are arranged on your rig. They are the new motor mounts.The problem is, I don't have a diagram of how the hardware is supposed to be arranged. I can guess, but I'd like better detail. They didn't include any pictures of what the final assembly should look like. Also, I know that I have the mode A gearbox configuration. 4 Worm gear boxes with the armature on the right side and two with the armature on the left side. Problem is, why aren't the armatures all on the same side or does that matter? I upgraded from the H3 to the H6, so I have two controllers with the corresponding motors labeled 1,2,3. So, which motors would take the two gear boxes with the armature on the left side?
@@GYGOtv Ok. The link they gave me pointed to the wrong document. I did manage to find a diagram of how the motors and corresponding hardware is laid out,. after a bit of searching.
@@erospawn Glad you are working it out, this is probably what you already found but the upgrade docs are here dofreality.com/6DOFSFUupgrade.pdf and you can reference the videos they have of the basic build here ua-cam.com/play/PLHL18KMbfR5hnnPlxWvVV4IV0YpnGisvl.html Those docs are more detailed then when we all started but still have a long way to go. One suggestion I have for you is to join the dofrealitybuilders facebook group if you haven't already facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822. That group is a HUGE help when you run into problems and typically much faster to respond than I am... hope this all helps. As for why the gearboxes are different... I don't really know, but by looking at the arrangement it looks like they wanted to "mirror" the left and right motor configurations for some reason and my guess is they had already ordered half the gearboxes one way and half the other... so in order to work through their inventory they have 2 different modes. That is all just a guess but the best answer I can come up with. As for the motors on which gearbox, it doesn't matter they should all be the same. Keep me posted how it goes, and head over to dofreality builders, I'll see you there.
You know, I really want these gearbox upgrades. But I’m very nervous. I’m not exactly very handy and I’m worried I won’t be able to build things and get it to work properly (I bought my H3 second hand already built and calibrated).
Hi Ryan, yes I totally understand you concern... I don't think I personally could have done the gearbox swap myself, I was so thankful to have the Master Fabricator, Darrell available to do it for me. If you haven't seen the video about that part, I encourage you to watch it here ua-cam.com/video/dRWg9C67sLE/v-deo.html after that, if you think it is something you can tackle, go for it. Otherwise, you might be able to contact DOF and see about buying 2 motors with the SFU gearboxes already attached (you don't need one for the traction loss). The gearbox swap was the hardest part, the rest I bet you could handle as far as putting them on the unit. Also from what I understand, you won't have to do the firmware upgrade on the 3 series because the motors are still positioned correctly if that helps. Good luck whatever you decide, and thanks for the comment and watching our content.
While the new gearboxes can handle more weight, balance will be more of a challenge if front loading the rig with monitors.
You could be right Itistheway, and I don't agree with DOF that the gas struts are not needed, We put ours back on and seem to have found a mounting method for them that doesn't limit the motion. If you are going to run monitors I personally think you will want the gas struts installed if running an H6. Just my 2 cents.
interesting, so this upgrade increases the leverage for the motors, making it capable of holding more weight; but counterintuitively, has the adverse effect on the motors magnets, causing it to move easily when no power is applied.
Hi Micheal, I think the old gearboxes kind of "locked" when powered off somehow, maybe they just had enough friction between the gears that normal gravity didn't move them. I'm not 100% sure but I do know the SFU Gears move very easily by comparison. Thanks for the observation.
So can you get the SFU upgrade when you first buy the H6 without needing to change anything out? I'm now considering this instead of the Yaw2 since they have another delay until sometime next year. Are the kinks worked out at this point? My only deciding factor is the backward range of motion. I would use this only for flight sims and really want to have the feel of climbing in a jet but it doesn't look like it leans back very far. Although I do really like the surge motion this has...does it feel like it leans back far while climbing in a plane? Another great video btw!
I know dof were working towards all the new units having the SFU and that was the case with the P6 last time I checked, but I'm not sure where they stand with the H6. You might just email them and ask where everything stands currently (support@dofreality.com) or use the contact page on the website. As for it vs the Yaw2... So obviously the Yaw2 goes back farther BUT I wouldn't even consider a Yaw2 WITHOUT the Heave module (don't know if that is a thing yet but they did announce they were working on it). Heave is a HUGE deal to me because that is what gives you the feeling of touching down when you land. I can tell you on the Helicopter it is an amazing sensation and you feel like you just hit the ground. Also the surge is pretty cool too, especially when hitting the afterburner or doing a carrier launch. Overall I still wish the H6 went back a little more, but I don't know if I'd trade those extra dof axis just for that. It's a tough call to be sure. The best thing about the H6 is with the SFU, you can get the unit to move as much as possible with the geometry of the motion platform, in other words the rig will hit itself before it actually runs out of movement in most cases. I'm close to doing my Part 3 because I think we finally have all the bugs worked out now so watch for that video and I think it will answer more of your questions. I don't know how much this helped, but hopefully a little. Stay tuned for the new video coming soon.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the detailed reply. Ya, the heave and surge look pretty great. Yaw2 did have a heave module in the works, but they're having a tough time getting the base models out at this point so the heave module is anyone's guess if it will even materialize. I love the yaw2 company and really hope they can get their issues sorted, but if not I think this would be a great alternative.
@@justaguydoinstuff I think it really depends on if you prioritize the back motion or having a full 6dof rig. The only other thing I was concerned with on the Yaw2 was it might be a little cumbersome to get all the controls mounted AND still have easy access to the rig. Kind of looks like you need to climb in and then you will swing the controls into place and to me that means they will be a little loose when using. I don't know for sure but that is what I'd be concerned with. I can tell you we also dialed about a negative 2 degrees into the seat itself to help with the back motion. The way my rig is set up now it has about a -10 degrees of pitch going back (-12 if you count the chair angle). Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv Yaw actually has a new center desk mount option that makes it really easy to get in and out now. It's actually their main desk mount solution at the moment and the old version is an option. I do really like the range of motion of the yaw2 but even though I'm a kickstarter backer it looks like they won't be able to send for quite a while. I'm really rooting for them but am starting to look at backup options. Does the P version have a larger pitch range? On their website it looks like it's listed as 25 degrees vs 17 for the H version. That being said, I don't know if an extra 3 grand is worth that extra range of motion, lol.
@@justaguydoinstuff Well I can tell you with the new SFU gears, you can move this thing far enough to hit itself. DOF said the P motors don't really change anything as far as motion goes but they can react quicker and are stronger. Not sure you would notice because this thing moves pretty quick as is. I can tell you I think those degrees listed are estimates because my original H6 only did about 12 degrees total, not 17. I will tell you, you will need to add some form of Motion Compensation with either the Yaw2 or the DOF, it moves enough to be distracting without it. We are working on that very issue now and will also have a video of it once we figure it all out.
Hi, thanks for the video! I am looking at the H2 to use in MSFS. Have a couple questions. I am in the USA.
1 - Is this hard to put together?
2 - More so is it hard to SET UP and get working?
3 - Seeing that I'm just looking at the H2, do you think the SFU is still worthwhile?
4 - Will this fit through a doorway after assembly?
5 - How much room do I need for the unit as it is going to be hooked up to my computer that I use for more than just MSFS.
6 - Is an Intel I7 - 32gb ram - 1tb nvme ssd - RTX 3070 GPU going to be able to run this ok?
Thank you!!
Hi Steve, thanks for the questions... I'll do my best to answer but keep in mind I've never owned an H2 or H3 and my H6 is different from those units. I'd highly recommend you join the DOF Reality Builders facebook group as well facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822 they are a great community that can also answer your questions.
1 - Is this hard to put together? The biggest challenge is the assembly instructions are not always clear on the DOF Reality units so that is where the facebook group I mentioned can help. If you have the ability to do basic maintenance on your car or home you should be fine building this unit. Its a little more complicated than building something from IKEA but not much more.
2 - More so is it hard to SET UP and get working? Not too bad but certainly not plug and play. You will likely need to do some troubleshooting so you will want a little tech skill in that. I think they are using new encoders so the whole calibration system is automated now from my understanding but you might want to double check that if you order one.
3 - Seeing that I'm just looking at the H2, do you think the SFU is still worthwhile? This is an easy one to answer YES YES YES! The SFU gears take away the issue of the old gearboxes with the gear lash where there was a "loose" feeling sometimes when moving. I personally think the SFU gears are even more important on the H2/H3 than even the H6.
4 - Will this fit through a doorway after assembly? The footprint is listed as 3ft. by 5ft, so dimensionally no way, it is also over 300lbs when assembled. You could probably do a partial disassembly and make it work if you had to.
5 - How much room do I need for the unit as it is going to be hooked up to my computer that I use for more than just MSFS. I'd say about 4ft by 6ft space to account for the movement. A little more to be safe if possible.
6 - Is an Intel I7 - 32gb ram - 1tb nvme ssd - RTX 3070 GPU going to be able to run this ok? Yes that should be fine, The motion software itself is not very demanding... leave that for the games and VR if you do that.
Hope that helps, good luck!
@@GYGOtv thank you so much for taking the time to answer. I appreciate it. I was looking at the motion compensation page it looks almost impossible to complete. Did you ever hook yours up?
@@nashfan1000 Actually most people are getting Motion Comp to work just fine with the new version of SRS and the OpenXR integration. I'm still having trouble with mine, I think because it is 6 axis. Check this video out for more ua-cam.com/video/ukjgLyJl_CA/v-deo.html
@Get Your Game On thank you I did see that video before. It's just when I look on that SRS open xr compensation guide it looks like a foreign languages how to install it. 😔
@@nashfan1000 Yes I know what you mean... I've been working through it to try and get mine to work. I know a lot of people aren't doing all the steps and still getting it to function so maybe you will get away with that too. Good luck!
please do a detailed video of motion compensation tuning, I can’t make it to work the way they say it work.. I think the location of the sensor is the key.. but I still can’t find the sweet spot.. and the main issue is the but kicker and sensor don’t like each other at all.. the image is shaking and make the experience very bad
Hi F P, I've been trying to sort out the Motion Compensation on my rig and once I do I will do a video. My Varjo headset doesn't seem to want to play nice with what I'm doing. Specifically what method and what headset are you implementing? Is it the Wit Motion system or are you using a Valve tracker/controller?
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the quick reply!, I am currently use Reverb G2, OVRMC with WitMotion WT901C 9 axis IMU on a DOF P3, I have the SFU gearboxes but I haven't had a chance to install them yet.
@@fpelaez1973Are you using it with the SRS Motion Compensation? www.simracingstudio.com/post/motion-compensation
Wich one is good? With worm gear, or ballscrew like this??
The SFU (like this) hands down, no gear lash and can support movement of more weight. This is the way to go on any DOF unit for sure. Thanks for the question.
@@GYGOtv realy?? And it posible for 6dof?? Because in my county i have second of ballscrew like 1205 or 1405, it posible to usedit?? How about the leght???.
Because i planing to build 6 dof
@@botak333Yes you can use SFU on the DOF Reality H6 or P6, I'm not sure how you would use them if you are building your own I think the original screws were 1605? and they tried 2004 which I am using now. I can tell you there are a lot of moving parts on it so it you plan to do your own thing instead of buying a DOF Reality, I'd recommend using somebody else's plans and not wing it because I can see a lot of issues if you don't have a tried and tested design. Hope that helps, and good luck.
@@GYGOtv thabk u, for now i have done 2 dof with worm gear iam plan to make like sfx 100 or mode, already have second of ballscrew 1605 leght 50cm😁
@@botak333 Well good luck, have you joined the Motion Sim Builder's Facebook group yet? facebook.com/groups/329597371658416 They do lots of stuff like that.
I probably don't upgrade until a year or two later so that they can finish fine-tune glitches and better instructions. Beside, I only use it for driving and the experience has been great.
Not a bad idea, love the icon by the way! What platform are you rocking now?
@@GYGOtv DOF P3.
@@reptilexcq2 I think the P3 will be ready for action before the 6 series. Most of the issues we are having are because of the extra movement axis and all the interference between the movement arms and the chassis. From what I understand the upgrade totally takes out the slack that the 3 series users were having, so that is something to look forward to.
Interesting, I have the P3 and I recently updated the gears, there was no instruction to update any firmware. I suppose that's just a P3 thing. The new gears are a night/day difference in smoothness and accuracy.
Yep, the P3/H3 series doesn't need the firmware upgrade. The P6/H6 Upgrade requires that we flip 3 of the motors around on the new design so you have to change the polarity in the plug and then do the firmware upgrade to make it move correctly. Thank you for giving us some feedback on the upgrade results for the P3... I had a feeling it would help a lot because I know those systems had problems with "slack" in the motion and the SFU's seem to remove that completely from what I understand.
@@GYGOtv Makes sense! I'm in the process of rebuilding the entire upper frame using 8040 aluminum to create a platform that I can mount a monitor on. Lighter and tougher than the steel bars they're using. I find them a bit too flimsy/too much play. The only thing I will be retaining will be the main Z bar spline that pivots and the bottom part that the motors attach to and sits on the floor.
@@theshazman That sounds awesome. With the P motors and the new gearboxes I think you will have the perfect combo because the weight shouldn't be an issue. Just FYI for anyone else reading this, DOF has announced they will be adding Monitor Mounts for purchase in the near future... but they will likely still be the steel tubing that you talk about so yours should be much better. Good Luck!
@@GYGOtv Very cool. I have tried so hard to enjoy VR on it but our GPU/CPU combo (3090/5950 here) just aren't there yet performance wise. Oftentimes I have to lower the graphical fidelity just to have playable frames and then add the Motion Compensation problem that I was never able to solve. I tried to go the WITMotion route but never could get the platform to work when that sensor was enabled in SRS and passed all the tests. If you ever find a good solution, do let me know! For now I am going to go back to monitor/2D gaming and just incorporate it as part of the rig vs a big screen in front of it. Hopefully by the time the 4090 comes out I can revisit VR and see if I can find a better solution. I do need something that's a bit more permanent than taping a controller to the rig. But I understand we are at the fringes of what this tech is able to do :)
@@theshazman Wow with a 3090 you should be able to get acceptable performance. You didn't mention what game you play but I get decent framerates with good graphics with my 3080ti/5900 in DCS and it is not optimized at all so I would think you could do it with any title. The biggest mistake I see most people make with VR is they do too much oversampling which just RUINS performance. You might try lowering your sample rate and see if that doesn't get you where you want to be. I always say get all the graphics set to where you want with the oversampling turned way down... then start turning it up slowly as the last step to get the performance that is acceptable. Hope this might help. Also what headset are you using? I'll be trying the WITMotion option too so we will see if I can get it to work. Stay tuned.
I doubt that rigs frame would handle anything but the lowest torqued direct drive wheels. 5 nm tops.
Hi Ralph, the frame is actually surprisingly sturdy so I bet you could get away with like 10nm... might need a little reinforcement but I really won't know until I try it. Should be interesting if I ever upgrade to Direct Drive. Appreciate the comment.
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Thanks for the info Christian, maybe they are using the U as "unified"? Appreciate you stopping by and commenting.
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No Limits 2 Roller Coaster Simulation, it's pretty good.
@@GYGOtv thanks a lot! By the way, great video. Helped me really a lot!
@@schollmanuel Glad it helped, appreciate the comment and the view!
I’m not a fan that the motors themselves move now and press their cabling against the ground during motion. That just seems like an opportunity to cause damage or loosen the cable over time.
I'm not overly worried about that, it doesn't seem to be putting them in much of a bind. I'd be more concerned with the fact that the control arms hit both the motor housing and the gearbox housing at extreme movements. I've got so many battle scars on those pieces now it's unbelievable and they were pristine previously. But just to be clear, I knew what I was signing up for and expected something like that to happen so no frustration with DOF on this.
@@GYGOtv Is there a solution to the gearbox and motor hits?
@@itistheway6893 We have come up with a mounting system that so far looks like it clears all the framework and arms on the upper side of the platform. I don't think we're going to be able to stop them from hitting the motors without them putting a little more space between the mounts. Unfortunately we are also seeing a new problem we're the actual levers on the gearboxes are bending. DOF says that currently we are the only ones with this problem, so not sure how widespread it is.
@@GYGOtv One of my lever arms is bent, so you're not the only one.
@@jaco523 Thanks for the feedback Jaco523, I think DOF is aware of this and working on a fix... Fingers crossed!
You dont need SFU for direct drive, loads of folks are using the very heavy DD1
Thanks Sims, Are they using a P6 or an H6? The P motors are capable but the H motors can overheat with the old gearboxes with too much weight from what I understand.
@@GYGOtv yubb buoth H and P, granted I don't have personal experience with it but plenty of folks on the builder FB can provide feedback
@@SimsRUsWell that is good to know, thanks for the info Sims. Of course there are still the other benefits of the SFU's besides the weight capabilities.
@@GYGOtv absolutely, Im looking much forward to getting them on my P3
I used a DD Simexperience wheel with my old motors and never had a problem.
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It's right here in this video ua-cam.com/video/dRWg9C67sLE/v-deo.html
what a nonsense ...this are actual very short linear actuators which drives a lever ..... so you can directly build long linear actuators ..... makes more sense .....
Thanks for the info Hans. So what would the cost be for something like what you are talking about? The DOF Reality's advantage has always been it's value in price to performance. Also, you are probably talking about a custom build which some people don't have the skills for and just want an "out of the box" build. Please let me know your thoughts and thanks for the comment.