Destiny 2 Lore - Parasite "Of Worms and Queens" quest! Another of the Witch Queen's Mysteries!
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2022
- Destiny 2's Lore tells us of the Parasite that dwelled within the Witch Queen Savathun! In today's video we unpack the lore of this exotic weapon and the curious worm at its heart, as we further explore the throne world with Mara Sov!
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“Then the worm turned into a gun. Funniest shit I’ve ever seen!”
Last time we did it, it was a Hive God so it's not even close. But it's still funny as fuck.
I love how Mara wasn’t lying about the worm opening it’s mouth eventually. Whenever you do a wellspring run, the worm will speak to you. I was dying of laughter when it told me to drop my guns and take a nap because I wasn’t needed.
When I was doing the obstacle course solo, it said ‘if you’re gonna go any slower you might as well take a nap’ and I’m like “you damn parasite! I’ve had to do this thing like eight times already!”
i love this stupid fucking worm so much man
This worm absolutely kills me. Especially because when I did the run of wells to rejuvenate it, I was basically speed-running it, and the worm was yelling at me about how I wasn’t being careful enough, but if you go slower, it tells you you’re wasting time.
The worm: “will reveal no more, ever”.
I can’t help but think we’ll force the information out of it, by tearing out its memories using deep sight. It could be possible. Who’d need interrogation when you can read the person’s mind; their thoughts, secrets, even the lies they thought they’d tell to diverge us. Though the worm saying Savathun is responsible, and she did it to save the Traveler, tells us the Traveler and Pyramids are not rooted by morality as we once thought. They both may only be based on logic, and principles. They both may not care for us and see us all as pawns. As Mara said before, “The Traveler/Light is not necessarily good”. Before Beyond Light, we were blinded by the Light to so many truths. Zavala saying the Hive having the Lights makes less and less since is proof of this. We most likely can no longer put blind faith in the Traveler anymore, and we should no longer completely fear the Darkness, but be wary of those among it that seek our destruction- the Witness. We may only be able to not only win this eternal conflict, but end it forever by transcending Light and Darkness, by walking between, and finding a new grey clarity.
@@garrettviewegh677 So we are Grey Jedi's? Which I'm cool with by the way.
"The parasite delivers us a victory without much contest."
Byf firing gjallarhorn in background.
It strangely bothered me when he was doing that fight with Gjallarhorn instead of the new exotic you were meant to do it with.
@@Is_It_Chris It mostly reminded me that I reaaaaaly need to get around to doing GoA.
@@alexisl5189 I need the catalyst!
I don’t blame savathun for wanting to get rid of her worm, that worm can REALLY complain 😂.
“You’ve not killed enough I’m getting hungryyyyy waa waa” - Savathûn’s worm…probably
@@talion4033 savathun: ugh 😑 why do I have to be stuck with you........
Worm: feeeeed meeeee
Savathun: I..... just but o.O
Worm: huuunnngggrrryyyyy
Savathun: I gotta find a way to remove you your more trouble than your worth
thats what im saying for being an anchient evil it dose seem a bit whiny loll
@@zaksandoe8807 he’s not evil, Judy hungry
Imagine being with that thing for millions of years!
This whole quest chain had a bizarre sense of humor to it. An impish creature squeaking secrets and doubt, wailing in agony at seemingly nothing... A wacky yet deadly obstacle course while sprinting with it in our hands... And our reward is a gun that shoots the most dangerous gummi worm ever.
The entire time I played this quest all I could hear is the MXC theme
@@MichaelMiller-bs3tz Don’t! Get! Eliminated!
which is why i got a kick out of the fact that Mara calls it our little misadventure
I’m pretty sure the worm is the actual gun. Lol, you can see it breathing still in the but of the gun. What a bad ass piece of kit. We need more space magic guns like this. Very creative and actually a decent tool. Masterwork version needs to stack higher/reload faster/2 in the clip and both get the new stack bonus or 30x….too much? OP HYPE!
It's no wonder that Savathun wanted her worm gone. Can you imagine being stuck with that whiny little shit for millions of years? Euch.
"Fun" Fact: We're now in possession of and feeding more worms than the Hive. Meanwhile the Hive are becoming empowered with light. What a time to be "alive".
Wot every hive has a worm buried inside and the hive ARE MILLIONS...
We have idk 3 at best
@@thelonelyduck7267 I realized that after I posted. But I meant the original worms given to Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu. My main point is it's funny that we're taking on these worms, one of which is a worm god, while the Hive are taking on the light.
@@KicknNmesTaknAss what we are doing is more akin to the Hive throwing Ghosts at us.
Alternate exotic mission title: “Mara and the Guardians play with their worm”
Other name let’s make another living creature into a gun
Alternate alternate title: Guardians get Mara’s worm off
"Guardians give Mara their big, needy worm"
Alt ×4 Alternate Title: "Two Paracausals, One Worm".
@@jfz9119 sounds like another day in the office.
Mara probably saw us stuff tons of our enemies into guns and thought “Huh, that actually seems kinda fun.”
"The traveller said its my time on the corpse stuffing
that is like the third god we have stuffed into guns if i was the whitness id be scared that i would become a gun lol
Nothing like having the being that caused the death of thousands of species as ammunition for your new rocket launcher
@@zaksandoe8807 Aren't we just representing the Sword Logic every time we do it though? If the Witness is an avatar or directly serves the Darkness, would it not appreciate the beauty in that?
@@LifeWulf yes and no. While we are exacting our might and taking out weaker beings as the sword logic commands, we do so in more complex and deceptive ways aka bomb logic. Compare how simple and personal a blade is compared to the intricacies of a bomb and the ability to be away from the danger if you desire to do so, making it much less personal and “I am simply stronger than you.” Rather than taking a simple tool such as a blade and using overwhelming force to kill our enemies, we as the guardian use much more complex mechanics to do so. For example, King’s Fall. Even in his throne world, we couldn’t just shoot Oryx to death, we had to go through various mechanics and steps to force him into a position that made him vulnerable, much like a bomb having many mechanisms and steps to actually do its intended job, even at the simplest scale. Xol was killed by us knowing to use Rasputin’a gift of the Valkyrie to help kill Xol, and the Deep insists on taking things by force, not being given something. We didn’t force Rasputin to help us, we accepted his aid. Savathun’s worm wasn’t extracted by us or Mara just bashing open the crystal, having people hold Savathun down, and gutting her; rather it was a months-long process of gathering Techeuns and waiting for them to have the ritual/spell/whatever prepared with Mara. While we do beat the hell out of our foes like the sword logic would dictate, we actually do so following the bomb logic. We still exact our might, but not in a way as simple and straightforward as the sword logic would be. The Hive gods themselves used bomb logic to cheat the sword logic with both the tithing system and the creation of throne worlds, and savathun took that to another level with the “murder battery” she created in the Dreaming City. Sorry for the rant but I guess my point is that the sword logic is very simple and personal while bomb logic, which can be used in part with sword logic, involves much more intricacy and has more players/pieces involved.
My absolute favorite part is that the books of sorrow describe the worm familiars as "plain speaking" and the worm indeed, does speak with simplified mannerisms and skipping unnecessary words
The fact this entity, ancient and responsible for the destruction of countless civilizations, retorted with "You first" is hilarious to me.
It also is, in fact, very blunt.
I believe there are other precedents for this manner of speaking. The worm has identical mannerisms to Variks. I believe there's lore noting how in the Destiny universe this way of speaking has a way of swaying people to trust them. Very similar to the "O, X mine" language that Ahamkara, Savathun, and the Worm gods use.
@@birdjeebus It is the same voice actor as Variks, apparently.
And yet it sounds like Hans Moleman.
Genuinely loved this quest, I’ve never seen Mara Sov have her composure shaken and to see her take a page out of our book and then the worm into a grenade launcher was hilarious. Other than that, imo, Parasite is gonna be an incredible weapon for the new raid, it has massive damage at max stack!
best is that the Worm says it will never speak again, but if you have Parasite equipped you can pop some random dialogues in Wellspring and even patrolling
Wormbud will never speak to Mara but since we feed it death (directly now), its more open to talk to us instead. We need more dialogue that goes beyond the Throne World.
Depending om the length of the dps phase, if its atraks level of short, it will be the best thing under the sun, if too long though whisper and gjally will bea it out
I I have a
Ah yes the thermonuclear worm
Mara actually having a moment of uncertainty during all this is very cool. She's always been Savathun but good in a way, always knowing more then she's letting on but her being weird and eventually revealing (albeit in the lore tab of parasite) that what sent her on this lil quest was a vision of her as a Disciple of the Witness, serving someone else... thats real intriguing.
As for trusting her, yeah. Mara has literally nothing to gain from betrayal and has aided us countless times at this point. She plays stuff close to the chest, is all.
Too close to the chest for her own good, but otherwise I would agree.
She is not the type to betray, as she does not align with other factions strong enough to betray. She is honest but deceptive, more like an ahramkara rather than a liar (you ask for a host so that you won't die? just stick you into a life support machine. ez)
Her going out and finding what savathun did can easily give us an edge because whatever savathun did, it hurt the witness bad enough to cause a mutual retreat.
Things that will age like milk
@@yaaseenm i hope not lmao
After doing this quest I was flipping through old lorebooks, and found that the worm's claim(and thus a huge reveal in WQ) is corroborated by the CONSTELLATIONS lorebook of all things. This book is about the speaker(s) during and after the collapse. For context the speakers during the golden age are "spoken to" by the Traveler in dreams, including visions of the whirlwind, on the 2nd page "I'd watched in my dreams the cities that fell, alien cities, torn down by a wind so fierce it flattened an entire world [[and it is not my fault]]" The Traveler has a voice in this book represented by bracketed text. The next thing on that page is "But this is different. The Traveler has not left us. Something new [[half remembered and wished forgotten, this false-sister]] has arrived." Assuming that "false sister" refers to Savathun, this corroborates BOTH reveals in WQ, that the Travels was going to choose the Krill(as it remembers her) and that Savathun intervened in the collapse. That this lorebook from 2 YEARS AGO in a sentence that seems in retrospect to be obviously talking about Savathun clearly aligns with what now are massive revelations blows my mind.
This quest also retroactively explains why that one Mercury adventure in the Infinite Forest’s simulation of past Mercury had Hive in it.
The 4th page of that lorebook, the one that tells us about a Speaker that got caught by a group of young eliksni almost made me cry...
Good catch
At the end of the main campaign, I made a comment 2 videos ago about how for some reason, Savathun’s end dialogue made me feel somewhat sad. Even though her genocidal atrocities can never ever be forgiven, the traveller may have chosen to revive her with the light because she and her siblings as Krill, were always intended for it. Even now, whilst every scheme is done for her own benefit, to some extent, it has inadvertently helped the traveller. For the pool of reflection speaks of the Witness’s power to move worlds (hence planet abductions). However, Savathun’s throne world may be the one place the Witness might not be able to reach due to some possible dimensional mechanics.
@@ElToland Fallen*
When I saw the worm I was; “We’re turning this thing into a gun.”
We got two worm god weapons, are we going for a full set?
We also have Oryx but... Yeah, you know happened at the beginning of the Red War.
@@arthureaterofworlds5176 50 rings say we get touch of malice back during season 18 when king fall returns(it make since it comes back because if i remember correctly in a tweet or something someone at bungie said crota would be turned into a dungeon)
@@cheetahofthewind13 touch of malice would have to have its main identity removed due to well of radiance and warlock rifts in general
@@crunchy_cat Tommy’s Matchbook also exists. If anything it could sap life per shot and give it to you, but missing does the opposite. That would make it unique enough yet not overlap the wacky FIRE EVERYTHING feeling Tommy’s has in exchange for calculated shots.
@@arthureaterofworlds5176 not oryx but his title
Behold, our newest little buddy in the backpack. An ancient little wormy of doom
And a sarcastic little Worm too
“One does not engage the All-Powerful without first obtaining the most important tool in war: Knowledge”
Try telling that to our guardian who has fought gods and understood literally nothing about why we were doing it
To be fair, the Witness > Oryx and Savathun, by the sounds of it. Closest thing we know of to an embodiment of the Darkness. Would be like if the Traveler had a singular avatar instead of all of us (and it still might, judging by its recent actions it may need to communicate a bit more clearly with us).
"There was a button and I pressed it."
Mainly for guns and armor
Mara site admin for Bungie's lore website. She knew before even the devs
Our ghost getting fed up with the lies and deceptions in this dlc makes the tension of everything going on feel a lot more real starting to feel a little betrayed by multiple parties
Its pretty wild how much character development our Ghost has had in Witch Queen like the poor little guy went from having his doubts to his entire world shattered and now he's fully in his "Press X to Doubt" savage phase.
Not that I blame him but its such an incredible extra layer of story telling I noticed on top of everything else!
Blame him? Hell, if I was a ghost, I'd be bloody furious. For all their posturing about saving humanity this and not falling to darkness that... Nobody tells anyone anything for YEARS and you're basically flying blind, trusting everybody who seems more knowledgeable. Turns out, that was a load of croc, and everybody's flying blind too. So yeah, I think I'd be a liiiiittle miffed too when they try to pull the same spiel again to feel safe. You ain't feeling safe, they ain't feeling safe, so stop messing around and bloody work together for once ya numbnuts!
I hope he doesn’t have a breakdown like recent lore suggests 😞
"Xol. Thougth you died. By sword."
"Sileance. You out of all of the worms saw this coming"
"Friend Xol. Why angry. No harm ment."
"No harm? Your existence harms me with your light. A fragile being you became."
"Sadly *sniff*. Still sad of lost bond"
"Shut up"
I love how Byf draws his bow every time the Worm starts getting uppity.
After about the seventh time dying during that stupid section where it goes, "any slower..." and "they call you a Guardian", I was about ready to punt the thing across the room and let it explode. I don't blame Byf!
Can I just say I love Raymond’s “You first.” It’s so good a rebuttal. Mara demands so much trust, so much faith, without granting so much as an iota in return. And she wonders why she keeps getting played by greater players in this system.
I almost spat out my water when the worm said you first.
Wait, the worm’s name is RAYMOND?
@@Nadikino, he has no name I can think of.
That of course means everyone can give him their own name, and Byf said he’s named him Raymond for the vid.
I love how the worm gods have these deep intimidating voices and the smaller worms have little wimpy voices. I trust Mara, she has done some morally questionable things and isn't good at sharing info, but as we all know Mara Sov bows to no one and I doubt she would ever be a disciple for the Witness.
This is not a worm god just a worm
@@civilpigeon1581 I know, I didn't say it was a worm god.
@@hellboy1000000000000 ah shit sorry
She probably wouldn't... by choice
I trust Mara the same way the Justice League trusts Batman. Batman’s usually right, and places his trust in no one. Batman wouldn’t hesitate to have “contingencies” for every single person or thing he’s ever met. Batman also has a contingency for himself, I wonder if Mara does as well?
After what she saw, if she didn't before, she does now.
Yeah I got real Tower of Babel vibes from her 'contingency plans.'
Of course she does. It's called "The Guardian can make me into a gun". Because you know we could, if she was a raid boss.
Mara is constantly in over her head, plainly ambitious, and way too irresponsible to be compared to Batman. I look forward to the day she finally messes up too bad and we get to kill her for it.
I'd happily let Mara kill me, just saying
I've disliked Mara since the D1 but I totally understand her having contingency plans for us and the others its the logical decision. As a leader it just make sense I imagine Ikora has them as well.
If I remember correctly, the collector's edition books talk about such contingency plans for Ikora
Mara having contingency plans for everyone is like, one of the LEAST sketchy things about her
i just wonder what her contigency plan for us is, its gotta be something insane if she wants to stop the most powerful lightbearer to ever live
We have been kicking the enemies of humanities asses for years. If we come out bad, then you can kiss my ass.
"Just because you can't see the shears doesn't mean I'm not cutting dead branches."
A fellow clan mate of mine said: "Mara Sov is like Doctor Strange using the Time Stone to look into millions of futures. There's an outcome where we win, but a low point must be reached first, which Sov/Strange is at least partly responsible for."
I can see that.
I can see in Lightfall our guardian saying to Mara Sov "What have you done?!" and Mara saying "It was the only way."
I’d actually put that role to Elsie to be honest, it fits her story arc very well as she actually has been in multiple timelines where she tried to influence the course of events so that humanity and the universe survives The Witness.
Also its really cool how Mara is both shaken to her core and still manages to outsmart the worm in the same quest
Have you done a video on how the entire story of Crow is linked into this dlc? Personally I think it’s cool how they built all this up so long ago, Crow was literally her test subject. An enemy of the traveller who was killed, brought back, got their memory restored, all before she attempted it herself.
What's interesting is that she missed that this experiment failed, in a way--yes, he got his memory restored, but if she'd stuck around, she'd see that Crow is still a different, better person than he was, despite all the cruelties he's experienced. I think she expected him to go back to being Uldren, just like Mara did.
Oh wow, just realized that. Man Savathun’s plans are deep
Holy fuck
@@nyanbinary1717 And I'm pretty damn sure that when She Who Was Savathun comes back, it'll be as Sathona, not Savathun. (Because you know they won't waste such a marvelous VA talent on just a single campaign. . . )
I like how our ghost is a lot assertive in this expansion, showing more emotions and thoughts.
"You must always be true to your nature."
Mara with the Worm reminds me a verse, from none other than the legend himself, J.R.R. Tolkien. "You would have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!”
Great reference.
Now that you mention it, Mara and Galadriel share quite a few similarities.
Oh, that parallel feels spot on
I trust that Mara's goal is the survival of all 3 species of humanity (human, Awoken, and exo). Ever since the Distributary, she has plotted to return and fight. She has repeatedly, at great personal risk, aided us. All that said, we need to be prepared to not like her methods. I don't doubt that she would be willing to destroy the Traveler and sever our light if that is what is needed to destroy the Witness and save all of humanity. (I'm not saying this is her plan...just giving an example)
She trapped a creature that was at her mercy in a tiny box, designed to eject it, make it explode, and then respawn it back in the box ad infinitum. If said creature were anything other than one of the OG worm larvae, that action would be morally dubious at best and reprehensible at worst.
Mara has a vindictive streak, and we would do well to remember that.
I'd probably side with her destroying the Traveler. It showed it has no loyalty to humans and allowed Savathun to get the light. It's not a friend, it's an animal backed into a corner forcing us to fight for it.
Wouldn't be surprised if that is what happens in the final expansion
@@OWChronicles u literally forget that the light was gonna choose the krill before the dark tricked savathun (savathona at the time) they are worthy of the light they are just lost bc of the darkness
@@OWChronicles yeah that would end bad for us real quick and boom exo stranger gotta reboot again
I'm sorry but Byf drawing his bow on the worm mid sentence caught me off guard and made me laugh
This was like carrying around a violent Variks after losing his hand.
Was it voiced by the same person? Sounded a lot like him.
@@LifeWulf Yes it is the same person
The anxiety I felt with this quest and Mara becoming host was overwhelming. The relief I felt when it became a weapon was immense. But we forget that Mara has always been plotting and what bigger ambitious is there for a Queen than to rule all. She doesn't want to be a disciple. She wants the usurpe, The Witness. She will be the 3rd side in this coming war. The Witness, The Traveler, and The Queen.
I for one am willing to accept our new Mara overlord
This quest made me feel concerned about Mara. The sudden spacing off mid sentence to listen to indistinct whisper. The revelation in the dream she served the Witness she actually felt a sense of gratitude, and the fact she breaks character at some.points because shes reminded of the Witness makes me wonder Whats wrong with her
she is scared is why she knows how powerful the witness is
i belive the vision she had was the whitness comunicating with her and offering her peace for knowlage about something powerfull like the distributary
@@zaksandoe8807
Why would she want info on the Distributary? She’s was the first to enter it, she shaped it and so on. She’s spent a couple billion years in the Distributary and knows practically everything about it, how it formed, etc.
That Nightmare sound effect as she broke off during the first cutscene of the mission was not encouraging either.
I have faith in Mara, her mission has always been humanities survival and in every timeline we've been told about so far she has always stood against the witness. However it's whispers are tempting and I wouldn tput it past Bungie to throw us that final curve ball of her fall and becoming a disciple, but I can't see it happening until at least light fall.
I wouldn't say her fall would be willing. I'm sure she could withstand the whispering temptations the Darkness speaks, she knows it's nonsense, but I believe her fall would be lead by the fear she felt at her envisioned future, much like the Stranger.
She wouldn't fear it unless she entertains the possibility of it happening, which I think she does as it clearly bothers her enough to shake her stoic and firm demeanor, and I feel like when pushed, she might eventually break.
When faced with the dying worm, she was unable to think of a reasonable solution that your Ghost of all things came up with. Go see Fynch, the Hive Ghost. She even considers dying to prevent her visions.
This quest shows that she's not infallible and might even be more vulnerable than she wants anyone to know, at least regarding how much all this is affecting her, being shown herself as subservient and grateful to the Witness of all things. It could cause her to lash out and inadvertently aid the Witness in their machinations.
If she were to become a deciple id its to do the same thing as Savathun and act as a double agent to sway it into its defeat or retreat.
I like that it's your guardian from Dynasty in the mara cut scenes. Also loved Dynasty! Everyone go watch if you haven't yet.
Savathun will be back. And this time, she will be on our side. Not as a friend, but as a necessary ally. She interfered with the Witness once, and she wants to keep the traveler safe. She deserves as much a chance as we gave Crow.
She also spent literally millions of years committing genocide on a universal scale.
Reluctant ally? Sure. But she is nothing like Crow.
@@allmyself666 I disagree. Uldren Sov killed many awoken. My point is this: if we are willing to extend an olive branch to Crow the Guardian, absent his past, then Savathun deserves the same. If Crow is held responsible for killing Cayde, then why should Savathun be held responsible for past sins? That is hypocritical.
@@crazytalk8120 well crow wasn't really responsible for caydes death, yeah he pulled the trigger but only because of lies and trickery from riven and savathun also uldren was doing it for mara and the awoken
@@crazytalk8120
Uldren Sov was corrupted and influenced by Savathun and Riven when he did those things.
When he was brought back as Crow, he was meek and kind, going out of his way to help others regardless of the personal cost. When he regained his memories, he felt nothing but horror and shame.
Savathun was in full control and fully aware and willing with the millennials long genocides she committed.
When she died and came back, she empowered her Hive with The Light and immediately had them hunt down guardians. Her personality stayed the same.
When she regained her memories nothing about her changed. No remorse, no guilt, no shame.
Savathun was and always will be The Witch Queen. Nothing will change that. If she allies with us it will be for her own benefit. She had her second chance and used it to try and kill us and doom humanity.
She is NOTHING like Crow.
Yea youre buggin can i have what youre smoking
Queen Mara Sov has always had the most difficult burdens placed upon her. From becoming one of the first "Awoken" and trying to save her people, to sacrificing herself to give us a shot at taking down Oryx. While her methods and techniques may leave us mostly in the dark, she has always been on the side of both the Awoken people and Humanity itself.
My alligences lay with Mara Sov, Queen of the Awoken. My Guardians (All 3 Awoken) shall lend her my sword and Outbreak whenever she requests it.
One of my favorite things about this is that the work will pitch in for voice lines in certain activities like wellspring after this quest is done and say all sorts of things to you.
The thought that my guardian is now carrying a super weapon powered by a salty worm constantly muttering curses at us is hilarious and makes me want to always have it on that much more. (If dropping a worm nuke on strike bosses wasn’t fun enough)
This is my favorite exotic quest I have done and it expands the world so much in the process
"The parasites power guided us to victory in the quest" - *Footage of Gjallarhorn*
Savathûn’s actions during the Collapse likely are what she means when she states she pursued the Traveler as a ‘collector’. Much like Mara saved Riven, Savathûn saved the Traveler.
I believe the "collector" part was her collecting ghosts for her Lucent Hive.
Lemme jus say, I find the little bug so freakin' adorable with it's little squirming legs 🥰🥰 and it symbolizes the Caterpillar, just as Savathun's castle is most certainly taken from Alice and the Looking Glass. There's a bunch of similarities, even in the sitting position of the parasite when compared to the depictions of the novel. I love it 💖
And Mara is The Mad Hatter?
Since we're Alice
I actually trust mara, but I think it would be reasonable for us to have similar contingency plans as mara has.
Especially since eris morn activly wants us to have these for her. So maybe we should have them for Mara too.
I'm a bit wary of the martian missives lore book, the last page outright states that it's been tampered with, and the eris page has an odd mark on it.
Given Mara has Collaborated with Elsie who has seen Traveler knows ways we all fall to the dark, I trust the two of them are making the right call, . Kinda like Batman keeping backup plans against the JLA if they ever turn on humanity or eachother
@A Dead Phish yep.
Obviously the last month's have made Mara even significantly more trustworthy.
I think Mara is going through a change where she knows she must prove herself as much as crow/uldren always feels he must. I imagine we'll see more of crow as we work with Mara and eventually they'll find peace with each other.
I really loved this mission and Mara’s interaction there-in. Seeing her be so vulnerable was, refreshing. Mara has always been on the edge of “sus” but, even so, she’s always been the one character I’ve had unshakable faith in… Even in her more, convoluted behavior. I really am excited to see where her story goes also, what that little moment was in the relic. What it was she picked up in her mind’s eye?
The Witness showing her the impending collapse
we didnt hate on cayde when we learned he had contingency plans for everyone too, it's kinda sus but is the logical thinking of a good strategist (tho cayde didnt had the "strategist" vibe or maybe that's what he wanted us to believe)
He had messages for certain people he believed would kill him, not contingency plans.
He didn’t make plans to kill anyone only when they kill him
When it comes to the future war, I trust Mara. She's been aware of the Black Fleet's eventual return, and with the audience she was given by the Witness itself, she'll probably try to help us in subtle ways and make it look like our Guardian is the unstoppable force of the Traveler, while sparring her and her people from the Darkness's wrath. As for her contingencies, I don't blame her for having a plan to kill us should we become servants of the Dark. It's possible she saw the future, or futures, where the Darkness won, and she has to be prepared for that outcome. But that's my thoughts/theory on this. Also, me and some of my friends named the worm Phil.
Mara and savathun are tied as my favourite characters in the destiny universe since taken king, both characters are subtle and calculating, insightful and intelligent, I wholly trust Mara’s intentions, and if she was to turn on us I wouldn’t care, her character arc and lore are by far the most interesting human POV, and just like savathun I am here for all the content and stories they are apart of ! I left destiny at the end of the Mara storyline in forsaken after I finished all the Audiences, I returned in season 14 to prepare/level up specifically for season of the lost and witch queen. Just like taken king made destiny, the witchqueen already is best thing about destiny 2 in my opinion and it’s only been out for a week and a bit ! All hail queen Mara.
I've been thinking about Imaru, and what happened after Savathun's death. I can't help but wonder how and why she was returned to her throne world. When resurrected, she would have been dependent on Imaru for direction, having lost her memory.
We know that the Traveler chose Savathun back on fundament. Perhaps Imaru was created then. Perhaps in all these years, he became corrupt somehow, so that instead of giving the hive queen what was hers by right, a fresh start as a warrior of light, he returned to her her eons of darkness, her throne world, her memories.
look at the lore tabs for the exotic glaives
@@bspoon2529 thanks!
@@marenjones6665 no problem
I thought Mara's "gratitude" comes more as someone who has spent for so long in the world leading and taking charge especially in the Distributary, on the Reef. She's carried the mantle of leadership for an unfathomable amount of time that the prospect of "letting go" of the burden of responsibility might have been tempting and nice.
Can I just say how great the dialogue was during this entire quest. It was very funny and the worm was just great
Byf! I thoroughly enjoyed your video per usual. I keep coming back to your videos seeking guidance. With your enhanced understanding of the Destiny lore, you make the perfect dungeon master. So thank you for your ongoing guidance and entertainment!
While grinding in the throne world today, Raymond spoke to me about filling the power gap left behind by savathun's death. Saying it could only be filled by a god and that we would be fitting for the role, offering to help. Keep the weapon on you. You never know when it will speak.
I believe Toland spoke of the same thing when oryx was killed
Mara led her people away from eternal life because she felt they owed a debt to the universe to keep it from falling to shadow. She died in multiple timelines fighting alongside us in the second collapse. While she has strange and frustrating methods. We have no reason not to trust her with our survival. She has built her entire rule upon it
What do you think Mara is going to do once the light overshadows the dark?
She’s already warned us.
Simple, pick neither sides, both sides sounds bad, too much light overshadowing darkness can overrun with life and such, but too much darkness then light means everything is dead and no life, there should be a third option, and Bungie should lean into that tbh, a balance between both, that's what I think tbh, or we could get a third paracausal that represents both light and darkness, may be the creator of both, may intervene to stop his children from ruining the universe, always sit back and watch his children play but step in if they overdone things, and so on, also this being be represented as another shape, and that is a freaking cube, lol
You meant "the Darkness overshadows the Light" right? Or do you mean, the Light "overshadows" the Dark by virtue of becoming a greater threat?
@@bradwhite5884 this is a point where Mara either is lying or there is a plot hole. She has told us something like (paraphrasing) “when there is too much light, darkness will creep in to snuff it out, and when there is too much darkness, light will rise to resist it.” So it’s a set of scales that need to balance in that respect. However, she also says to us that she heard the exo stranger in a dream say “a side must always be chosen, even if it’s the wrong one.” The next thing she says is “I think I’d like her (the stranger).” That implies she agrees we should pick a side, making the scales not balanced unless we always have some enemy balancing out the other side. Mara somehow both says to pick and not to pick a side in different lore readings.
@@bradwhite5884 the 3rd paracausal side will command both, as 'the final shape'.
That "uh huh" from Ghost was STONE-COLD, I laughed for a solid minute the first time I heard that dialogue 🤣🤣
No chill what so ever
Just sending love to all the great content creators in the community not only juggling the grind that comes with a new expansion, but also pumping out quality videos for us to indulge in🤟🏻
If there's one thing I've learned about Mara Sov, it is this: she bows to no one, at least not forever. If she ends up working under the Witness, you can bet that she would eventually have it under her boot, even if that takes another 12.1 billion years.
Might gonna bring the parasite to the raid tbh. I just love it so much. The quest was mission was fun. It also seems like we are slowly getting more and more allies. First we got crow, then cabal, then the eliksni, and next savathun. Looks like were making an alliance with our enemies to fight the pyramid
Mara vs Megamind in the Ultimate Crucible match let’s goooo
In all seriousness, I trust her. I keep thinking back to Sjur’s dream, of Mara breaking a pyramid open. She’s done too much to ruin the Darkness and the Witness’ plans. She wants power and control, but only to protect her people from those who threaten them. I think she’ll get it, and break the Black Fleet wide open. We’ll see though!
I will never get over the gaurdian’s voice. It’s amazing.
Truly a custom amongst the Guardian ranks, turning one's enemy into a weapon.
having Ghost be our mouthpiece for this mission kinda... hurt it, in a way. While Ghost as a character has long moved away from "Light always good, Darkness always bad", i really wish there was an option for it to not be so confrontational. Same thing with meeting Fynch, lil light is ready to throw hands immediately. you'd think it would know not to judge books by their cover and all that
You have to remember that Ghost is the one that finds out that other Ghosts are serving the Hive, and the whole campaign goes full send from there. I don't think the little guy ever got enough space to process the whole thing, even by the time the campaign ends.
@@RMediaObelisk i get that, his big tearing down of Savathun in the final mission fckin rocks. It's just, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for me.
I'm still sad at the unavoidable switch away from "Light good". They needed content, I get that, but it was a very disappointing switch
Our Ghost has become a worm. Hes desiring murder this DLC
@@repthe21st66 light good in a sense, but It is also a tool. You can use a knife to perform surgery and save a Life, or to take It.
I trust Mara there is always the risk of telling someone the future and risking condemning that future to pass
I actually laughed out loud when Mara ended up turning the worm into a gun.
I’m having a blast with this exotic. I’ll be maining this for a while.
Gjallarhorn got me through the Legendary campaign solo on my Hunter (that and invisibility), but I think I might throw my poor confused Warlock or Titan this seemingly more powerful weapon out of nowhere, before they've even seen Savathun in person 😂
I do trust Mara, she is a leader that must think of her people, that means planning for things that you hope never comes to pass. We have already seen in one timeline Eris turned. I would be willing she has a contingency if even she turns. Think of it like batman having files on how to stop every member of the justice league if they went rogue, even himself.
I have to also wonder if our waking the traveler after the red war, was the first the witness knew that Savathun had lied, and thats when he sent her sister to hunt her down and kill her for lieing to it.
I'm glad Mara admitted she has contingency plans, someone who's as careful of a planner as her would definitely do that, and her lying about it to keep us in the dark would be more suspicious.
as for the dark timeline, I still consider it almost a joke by the writers. Eris being secretly evil is a popular fan theory and so they elevated her above Savathun when now that we know just how deep Savathun's schemes run, it makes no sense for Eris to somehow outrank her. The stuff that happens in the dark timeline is imo almost not canon, Elsie came here because our timeline is wildly different from that one.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Yeah, with that timeline seeming to be one of the first i think that was a "worst possible outcome, everything is wrong" situation.
Thanks for what you do. I have no way to play destiny currently but am super invested in the story. Grateful for someone allowing me to experience it, even if it’s not first hand.
I love how the Ghost doesn’t even hesitate to doubt the idea of Mara feeling guilty for her contingency plans, she’s made it clear with her plan for crow that whether she’s doing good or not, she could care less about the sake of individuals
Well, we dindt make Sava a weapon but this is close enough.
I trust Mara. We've been through a lot together.
I also understand why she has contingencies for certain people of interests, should they go down the wrong path. It's always good to have a plan.
Worm: “And why spill my juice gossip first?”
Byf: *Draws Bow with lore intent*
12:41 I understood this reference.
What is he the witness of?
Did he see when the gardener sent shit out of balance hence him being the conduit and representative of the darkness.
In certain areas, so long as Mara helps even if it’s solely for her own benefit. All we should do for now is just nod and keep moving.
Though one thing I’m curious, if the worm has seen Savathun’s actions, I wonder if we can actually look further into its memories. Perhaps with the reflection all in the throne world, or even Caiatl’s psions could help. Perhaps we can see what Savathun did with the witness as well as get answers about Immaru.
Id believe mara since even in the dark timeline where elsie (exo stranger) came from mara even helped against the darkness till the end which she also very breafly makes a reffrence of it also gives her some reliability to be trusted
I did this mission solo, and this freaking Ninja Warrior course is insane.
I had a sinking feeling that we did the wrong thing when we downed Savathun, and this quest only confirmed it. Not because she has our best interests in mind, but because as a guardian, she finally has an objective that aligns with ours- the protection of the Traveler. And though she painted the path behind her in blood, she's also an unfathomably ancient being of great knowledge and power, which would make her an undeniably powerful ally in the battle against the Witness. Sure, she might turn on us, but I'd rather deal with facing the Hive than with that megamind-looking mfer
See, there wouldn't be anything protecting the City anymore is the key thing. Granted we don't know if sealing the traveler in the throne world would cut off the light from elsewhere, but that's really not a risk to be taken. In a lightless scenario, the pyramids wouldn't even need to attack. It could be something as similar as some fallen or cabal that could steamroll the city no problem.
In my opinion, I'd say I'd believe until proven otherwise. We have the means to fight her if ever the time arrives, and have the means to free her from corruption if it occurs with the help of her vast techeuns. It is easier to harbor an alliance if backed with the first reaches of friendship. I'd honestly raise a hand forward to allow Mara to divulge more secrets with us, because as a person it is one of her biggest weaknesses. She has no one to listen to her about these sorts of issues.
She definitely seems to be opening up more after her shortsightedness in Season of the Lost, especially after the psychological warfare she was dealing with in this quest
I love how dialogue from season of the lost and now, shows just how much mutual respect Mara and Ikora have for each other. Both respect intellect and cunning as much as strength, resolve and an iron will in the face of uncertain and overwhelming odds. Two of the most mysterious and powerful woman in Sol, and for good reason.
Savathun's worm familiar is my favourite destiny character so far, I couldn't stop laughing at his voice and his lines. I was doing the mission and even though he's this ancient power hes still complaining about doing work and kept telling me I was too slow. He was a mood lol
Mf ghost really thought of Fynch first when we got a literal expert of the hive on our side…
Bungie ran out of budget to pay Eris' voice actor to do more voice lines lmao
I was wondering when you were going to address this. It was a pretty weird quest to say the least
Thank you byf, everything I know about destiny lore basically comes from you. I try to impress my friends and act like I know alot lol!!!
I kinda hope now after you reminding me of the other sentient weapons we have of an actual conversation they’d have. Starting with parasite speaking with whisper of who he was and darci just butting in with something funny. Plus I’d like a crack at voicing our little worm boi. :3
So does this mean that we are 2 for 2 for turning hive Gods into weapons?
3 for 3 if you count Xol going into Whisper.
@@atomic_wait that's a worm god and has its own differences from the hive Gods and deserve their own list and requisite weapons crafted from the remnants left behind after we inevitably slay them.
@@atomic_wait Do we want to count Crota being infused into Necrochasm?
@@Raptor052 for the meme of "4 gods, 4 guns" absolutely
This is my favorite quest so far just for the banter .😆
That moment of Byf drawing his bow at the worm as soon as it asked why it should spill first was just really funny to me
I love how through out this quest byf is constantly drawing his bow. Dude loves his lore and knowledge, but he’s got his priorities straight!
Mara: Keep it secret.
My titan, Prime-4, headed to Crucible: Yep. Secret. Sure.
“Smash the Parasite’s skull.” My Titan instinct about kicked in and oblige that command. 😂
I'm still curious why Mara stuttered when she said the witness the first time maybe she was thinking about the dark future but it seems strange almost similar to what Elsie did in the base destiny 1 campaign curious
No the witness is showing her whispering the dark future bcs Mara can hear it
Yes! I wanted this video since I completed the quest.
I've been waiting for it too.
This quest was great. The worm was wonderfully creepy and Mara losing her cool made her feel more human despite her unquestionable power. I still trust her though, her contingencies are logical. We’ve seen what Eris (in the dark timeline) and other guardians can do when corrupted by darkness. She has more knowledge than most other allies we have and the responsibilities of a people.
Gotta love that while narrating about the worm launchers immense power, man be busting out the gjallarhorn :D
Honestly this whole quest was such a rollercoaster and that first bit of dialogue with Mara made it so tense
That bow draw at 16:15 was also my reaction. And te animation is genius too as it seems the Guardian starts trembling (it's just the draw hold animation but still) of anger.
Thanks so much for explaining to me really appreciate it
As always another stellar vid good sir
I said, "uh-huh", in unison with Ghost, and then belted out laughing.
This is the best writing and lore goddamn well done bungie