As someone who does not like to use the warlock, there definitely needs to be exotics for Titans and hunters so that they can also utilize it similarly with this weapon
This video seems better than the last few which your voice was very quiet. Before I had my phone on full volume and had to hold it close to me ear sometimes, now it's better
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 it's literally called corruption, if you die to necrotic grip poison in the crucible it says you died to corruption. Research before you claim stuff so boldly. Also you mis spelled crota
Also I learned a few interesting things about the name Osteo Striga while preparing to record the Lore for this weapon too! Osteo is a word that means "relating to the bones"... We all know that Hive bones were graphed to the original Rose handcannon by Rezel Azir so this could be a tie in to the Thorn. But a super cool fact is that...Striga, is commonly known as witchweed, a genus of parasitic plants. Witchweeds are characterized by bright-green stems and leaves and small, brightly colored and attractive flowers. They are obligate hemiparasites of roots and require a living host for germination and initial development, though they can then survive on their own. FN cool huh?! These Striga/Witchweeds are all over Savathun's Throne World. And they survive off of a parasitic relationship just like Hive and their worms 👍🏾
Sooo 'parasitic plant relating to the bones' That does seem to fit the gun, if you look at the magazine when firing, it's 'eating' the bone there and expelling those poisonous swarm darts.
at the very start of the EDZ psycohack on the left (where everyone usually gets on their sparrows) there is what looks like a dead guardian with a large flower growing out of it.
I'm curious if Jana-14 will continue to show up as a reoccuring character in further Lore Tabs relating to the Weapons of Sorrow/Darkness Armor lore tabs. Having connecting points like this is so cool to me.
In this you mention that Weapons of Sorrow generally have an unnatural hunger for combat, but that Bad Juju seemingly is without it. But according to its D1 Grimoire Card, it actually does- "There must be a structured, mechanical explanation for this weapon's hunger for combat. There must be. But none has been found."
Theres also the concept that Weapons of Sorrow are a specific combination of Humanity's mastery of war and Hive magic. So far the weapons that can be confirmed as canon Weapons of Sorrow are Thorn, Necrochasm, Touch of Malice, and Striga. All of which being weapons of humanity that were transformed to a new more powerful form at the cost of their corrupting nature for more deaths. Corrupting the user to follow the Sword Logic in a sense. Bad Juju is a bastardization of a Weapon of Sorrow. A prototype in a sense. Since Toland the Shattered attempted to make his own weapon of sorrow when he created Bad Juju. But it is not a true Weapon of Sorrow, just a failed if not powerful experiment. Then again with the addition of breaking free of the sword logic with the lore involved with Whisper of the Worm. Then technically Touch of Malice, Whisper, and Parasite would fall under the concept of Anthem Anatheme. Metamorphosis Weapons... even if Parasite was less willing then Oryx or Xol to become weapons. By becoming the Sword Logic itself in death compared to being slaved to it in life.
In Lucent Tales, Immaru asks Savathun about such "Ghost-killer" weapons after seeing Guardians crush Hive Ghosts. After this video, I'm wondering if we'll get some sort of Foundary of Sorrow
I thought when Striga was introduced it was going to be a sorrow-fied version of the recluse. A weapon so good at shooting guardians the hive sought to make those it shot stay dead.
With the release of the Witch Queen expansion, I was hoping that some of the weapons would be Hive themed, instead of the current Throne world designs we have, not that they're bad or anything, but just a few if not all of em should've been Hive themed. I can't help but feel this was a bit of a missed opportunity.
Doesn't ruinous effigy literally eat our light? Not just converting it but consuming it, does that count as a weapon of sorrow since it was forged with darkness as well as light?
@@RMediaObelisk It's not actually a small amount. We don't notice because we are extremely strong in the light ourselves. lesser guardians would have a lot of trouble trying to wield it.
Seeing enemies exploding into poison that makes others poisoned and also explode is just so satisfying. The fact that the exotics are lore linked as well is kind of neat
Honestly I'm hoping we get a season out of this story. Season of the shadow Shin in the helm as a vendor, room decorated with members of the shadows of yor Crafting ledgendary and exotic weapons of sorrow New activity is centred around "harvesting" the corruption. Drifter, Eris, Elsie and Shin on coms. A man can dream... EDIT. Thought of some fun exotics. I'm a warlock but I tried to do a little for hunter and titan too. Warlock - Old World Mask "these masks are rumored to have fought plagues before... And they shall again." Appearance - Heavily resembles the mask of a plauge Doctor with a matching hood that covers the back of the head. Perk - Containing Pestilence This exotic allows for the wielder to see enemies hit with weapons of sorrow or corruption to be seen through walls in close range and in PvE enemies take 10% more damage by the warlock when poisoned. If the target dies the warlock receives devour, which will only reproc on poisoned enemy deaths. Titans - Corrupted Bulwark Description - "An old legend fell to this... But we won't." These gauntlets have pieces of corrupting flesh strewn on the metal plating with stasis crystals growing through them Perk - Darkest day Titan stasis crystals that are created when this exotic is equipped will also deal a poison aoe in the crystals blast radius. The poisons power scales based on what caused it. So headstone is weakest with super being strongest. The crystals made are also glowing green. Weapons of sorrow will create stasis crystals matching the power of headstone if these gauntlets are equipped. Hunters - Withered roses Description - "It was more once... But perhaps it still has a purpose. Its hunger remains..." These hunter leg pieces have a withered hand cannon in the holster, which is a unstable Thorn. Not the original though. Though the barrel drips with poison. Perk - Corrupted rounds. Hunters will leave a poison trail behind them where they walk. Also the hunter will create weak poison bursts when any ability (even double jump) is used. It is weak but can stack on a enemy till 5 times. In PvE this also will allow all weapons of sorrow to stack poison damage. Weapons The old ways stasis sword Heavy Looks like a shattered version of oryxs sword which is stuck back together with poison Description - The husk of oathbraker empowered by our corruption HA! ... You uhh... Think this still counts? - Drifter Perk Corrupted Shape - The heavy attack button causes the player to slam the blade into the ground at their feet. Creating a "rift" that poisons any enemy that enters. Enemies that die here build up wrath. Which empowers basic attacks. Corrupted breath special kenetic trace rifle. Description - Hey nothing in the Geneva Convention covers aliens. - Shadow of Yor This trace rifle looks omolon made with the tanks that usually hold the liquid fuel being filled up with poison. Fumes are given off by the barrel. Perk - Corrupting breath. This fusion rifle shoots out a continuous jet of poison that rapidly uses ammo. (think flame thrower) short range really high damage and leaves pools of poison. The mockery Tex mechanica special handcannon Description - You ever hear of the First Curse? It has a new shape now. Out of the shadow of its sister. - Dredgen Vale. As hinted this is the First Curse though now black citin is grafted to the gun along with hive runes. The magazine also displays the mark of the devourer on the back. Perk - The line Headshots with this gun poison targets. Shots on poisoned targets do not use ammo in the traditional sense. Instead stacks of hunger build on the gun. These empower the last shot multiplicitively. At 7 stacks the final shot deals 5x damage. However stacks above 5 will create a moderately sized aoe that poisons all allies and enemies nearby, and also hurts the wielder. This effect also triggers on a miss above 4 stacks. Though this effect isn't massively dangerous until 6 stacks. For reference 4 doesn't really do any damage just halts regen.
@@EdibleClown Hm...as cool as it would be, I doubt it. From the initial questlined lorebooks from Shin, he's entrusted the Last Word, the reborn Thorn, and the burden of 'walking the line between' to us. Only way he would possibly return is if we (or him) somehow 'faltered', and as far as I can see, neither would/will.
People are throwing around the idea of Shayura being the one who puts down Jana-14, both warlocks, both using SMGs. Could work, we’ll just have to see where Bungie takes their storylines.
@@callmelunaVEVO Not likely going to happen, Shayura surrendered to the Vanguard after battling against the Lucent Brood, turns out that after she destroyed a Hive Ghost, her entire perception on things crumbled. Aisha wants to help Shayura get the help she needs now more than ever.
I remember reading a post on Reddit that pointed out that the way the Books of Sorrow are written are nearly identical to how Xivu Arath communicates to the Wrathborn in order to corrupt them, with some sentences being essentially word for word repeats. I think the youngest of the Osmium dynasty has been more active than we initially believed.
There are similar lore interactions with Lumina and Boots of the assembler: “pseudophotons and impossible math”. I wonder if those interactions will be explore more as well?
we the guardian already have experience in crafting incredibly powerful, and sometimes evil weapons. I could totally see us tracking down the creator of these new weapons of sorrow to find a way to counter the lucent hive. Maybe we create a gun with the same capabilities as thorn using it to snuff out hive guardians light without crushing their ghost. seems plausible with the direction bungie is taking the story.
When we remade thorn in the original quest I believe it was stated that it could be made to sever the light just like the other thorns, but we didn't because obviously we wouldn't be able to take it to the crucible
@@eliaspanayi3465 we gotta think of crucible, it could act like the new staff in psiops. or have a lore tidbit that says it ONLY works on hive guardians.
@@eliaspanayi3465 when we originally got the quest, the very first piece of text was how our guardian felt sick from just holding og Thorn, pretty much why we couldn’t use it until it became rose again
I new this weapon was super similar to Thorn, and to think it was made from remnants of Thorn makes it even better. I love the Lore around these weapons
The Story around the the two Exo Handcannons and the VoG Raid Lore were the first two things that fascinated me in Destiny’s Story, so yes always and forever more of it. I‘m still hoping that one day we will meet Shin and will get a cutscene of an epic duel while we sit next to him and listen to his story.
i think there's a strong possibility the weapons of sorrow might play a big part in a future upcomming season and perhaps have something tied to them during the lightfall but as of right now its to early to tell
Id love to see an exotic quest line for Necrocasm. it was one of my favorite guns in D1 and to have it come back with deep lore would be awesome. That and i love the exploding thrall perk
To this day I simply cannot believe they havent managed to do anything in game with shin and the others. He is so iconic and beloved and the story of hand cannons is such an integral part of destiny. My hopes are for beyond The final shape when the new destiny saga will come.
If we ever get more Sorrow exotics in Lightfall(thats if necrotic grips count as one already). New Arms exotic idea for strand. Ritual of sorrow perk: Consume your grenade energy to call forth a pack of thrall to aid you
I think it would be cool to get a full season where we actually finally meet shin and maybe other shadows of yor to somehow reach a deeper understanding and maybe help shin and them “hunt down” or otherwise contain guardians who have strayed too far from the light. Could be interesting as a semi lead up to light fall.
I wonder if we will get a "Lumina" version of Striga. I think it would be cool to get an entire set of weapons of sorrow, like auto rifles, pulses, fusions even, all with the corrosive effect of thorn, but then think of the idea of purifying each one into some kind of light based weapon of hope!
I remember when we first saw this gun on the shaping screen during the vidoc and seeing "revisions of sorrow" hyped me and my buddy a bit too much lmao
I noticed a nice little detail while watching this gameplay; unlike when firing with the base mag, the magazine on the model doesn’t deteriorate and decay as you fire while overfilled with the catalyst’s effect, as if you’re feeding the hunger and keeping it healthy. or this is just explained with technicalities and coding, not counting extra rounds as part of the base mag, which makes sense.
For me Osteo is a reliable workhorse weapon. Really good, but has some stiff competition at least in easy content. Chain reaction wave frame, volatile rounds, trinity ghoul, void detonators, swords. Osteo gets the job done for overload, killing packs of adds, and has incredible range and stickiness(duh).
If we look past all the corruption and hive-magics, the development of the weapons of sorrow seems quite natural, I think. Because when new armor is invented, people invent weapons that can pierce that armor. Like arrowheads designed to spread the rings of a chainmail. When there are those who can be revived after death, weapons capable of delivering final death will be developed.
I think it's very possible the next weapon of sorrow could be an exotic glaive you would have to craft at the mars relic. I do wonder about this trek down into further depths of corruption, but it's definitely something I think players would be interested in.
I wonder if weapons is sorrow will get their own foundry… also if poison becomes a subclass I wonder if thorn, osteo, & necrochasm will all get reworked with toxin as it’s elemental damage type similar to stasis.
With the treatment they've been giving to seasonal storytelling, especially cutscenes and dialogue, I would love to have a more intensive in-game arc surrounding weapons of sorrow/Shin. We are learning about their events after or around when they happen, and I'd love for us to be at the center of them in-game.
Love this, very interesting and dark lore. Getting goosebumps from heraing it, would love more videos! Maybe this is the start to the "necrotic" subclass?
Bravo, Byf! I read this lore and went 😳"Well, I can't wait to see what Byf brings to this." And, man, talk about satisfying! Hadn't put the Jana-14 thing together from the video on the grips, didn't know about the connection with Weapons of Sorrow lore, and over all that, I was blown away by your reading of the Striga lore. It's so hard to be creative in the face of adversity, and I'm inspired by your tenacity in hitting the ground running after last week. ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽See you starside, brother!
I'd like a re-visit of those stories, because the whole Shin keeping an eye on people creating Thorns in order to use the darkness for good cult thing was new to me
Came back to this video and this caught my eye. Found in the first sentence of the description: "the infamous weapon of Dredgen Lore." Cracked me up a bit.
It would be interesting to see this storyline revisited in the current environment as it regards darkness and light. The last major story extension was on the very front end of the blurring of lines around dark and light. But now with Guardian's using Stasis actively and the Hive having guardians, this could be very interesting.
I think it would be amazing to see the shadows of yor returning, especially if maybe they are using the possible poison/corruption subclass rumored for destiny.
Always a twist into another possibility of a season revolving around shin and the drifter again. Something is brewing, maybe drifter still has a chance at that craziest gun fight yet…..
Thank you Byf. I've been waiting for this. I'm a huge fan of all the poison elements and hope for a subclass in the future. I started a warlock this season just to get necrotic grip for these weapons.
I see this showing up in several seasons over the next few years. With Shin and/or Eris getting corrupted by a mix of stasis (or other darkness powers) and weapons of sorrow. They create a group of dark guardians that we have to deal with over time. Fits in with some of the Stranger’s other futures she has already experienced.
Was my main weapon for first Season of witch queen, and just returned to this in season 2. Such an underated weapon, even more so for Warlocks... And that Siva Ornament for necrotic grips 👀 ohhhh how could I not buy it
I gotta say, I love the idea that a future season could be set around tracking Jana-14 down to find whoever is creating them. I'm sure there are more pending seasonal stories like Calus and Rasputin so it may just be developed in lore tabs or an exotic quest, but it'd be so cool if the guardian was sent to track them down.
There's a growing theme of corruption over the guardians, the people Aunor is hunting, Jana-14... This only makes me wonder where did Savathun put the crown of sorrows and if she planned to use it and the fact that she spread her song all over the city before the vex invasion. Someone has to do something with those loose ends and I'm waiting for it
I love this everything about this weapon and it’s Ilk. The lore and aesthetic are just amazing. I’ll be maining necrotic grips with Osteo And Thorn all season, complete with corrupted echo armor. Great video!
I interpreted that the Thorn she had gotten either starved or died and she just reforged it just as we did. Osteo also litterally means in relation to bones. Striga is also used as a name in the lore tab rather than the litteral definition of striga. So it'd be Bones of Striga, maybe?
I would be very interested in more information on who these other people mentioned in the video are! I was a bit lost for a while and I think a new series would really help to clear things up, especially if it could be one of the themes of a new season! Love what you do man, keep it up, you are the lore god.
I keep hearing about all these different groups of guardians in destiny. Ones that have taken on darker purposes. This raises a question that I've had for a long time. Now tha bungie has hive guardians as enemies; will we be getting actual guardians as enemies? The Shadows of Yor, Jana-14, Shayura; all these guardians and the only ones we fight are in the crucible. There will come a time when I think we'll be going toe-to-toe with lightbearers of earth but will we have the strength to kill their ghosts like the hive's?
Regardless of if we do end up fighting other human guardians one day, I would just like to note that Shayura is actually currently in prison/therapy after having a mental breakdown from seeing Hive with the light.
@@erikm8373 And we also know that Aisha is a kind soul :) (I knew it was her, THAT Stasis wielding hunter who stood up against a crowd to save the brother of the murdered Eliksni !!)
Ever since they released Necrotic Grips I've been maining all of the weapons of Sorrow with my Voidlock (Striga, Thorn, ToM) it's very niche but I enjoy rending my enemies who are hollow of spirit and meaning.
Ive always loved the story of thorn and last word. I was wondering if they would ever continue telling us about the weapons of sorrow. I stopped playing destiny after the taken king and I still watch these lore videos because I find them interesting.
It would be pretty cool if Shin and Drifter teamed up as a buddy cop duo. Since both are well versed in making paracausal weapons like the Thorn, Lumina and Malfeasance. Also Jana-14 is my new favorite lore character.
Possibly that in the next season (which I will dub the Season of Sorrow) is going to be us the Guardian hunting down Jana-14 while tramping up with Shin Malphur, after Caital informs Zavala and us about the now rogue Exo's trail of feeding the Osteo Striga, killing both Guardian and Cabal. Finding evidence of finding patterns in her killings or even the use of Psions loyal to Caital to track possible areas until we encounter guardians corrupted by the darkness.
Hive lore in this game is what I live for. It’s always been the best content. The weapon lore is disturbing and mysterious. And the content that comes out every hive based dlc is just too much fun
I've seen ppl thinking about the idea for a new darkness subclass and calling it "corruption" but i think Sorrow could be a creepier cooler name for this kind of energy in a darkness subclass
I'm hoping that someday we get a Season of the Renegade or Season of Sorrow or something like that themed around working with Shin to hunt down the creator(s) and corrupted wielders of new Weapons of Sorrow.
I wonder if the weapons of sorrow are like the glaive Rhulk used that was then transformed by the Witness. Maybe this is,my some extension, the Witness' way of seeding the sword logic into humanity and the guardians before his return to the sol system...
Shin hearing/seeing Guardians wielding light and dark in balance in service of humanity and the greater good: I sleep. Shin hearing there’s another “Dredgen Yor” using another weapon of sorrow to kill people: readies Golden Gun with murderous intent.👿
If we are to get a poison based subclass in the future, i think jana and the shadows of yor will be playing a major part in the subclasses development, hell it could mean we could be getting our first destiny enemies who are dark guardian AI's
I imagine Shin would be alright with Drifter, Eris and Elizabeth teaching Guardians how to wield the Darkness (stasis) properly, while resisting corruption. Though I feel the Shadows of Yor would be unhappy that the Guardian was able to tap into the Darkness’ true power while they’d be fiddling around with Thorns for so long. A season, like “season of the shadows” would be interesting”. Delving into Aunor, Shin, Drifter, and Shayura’s lore, while being taught how to harness a new poisonous subclass, while hunting down corrupted Guardians. Idk if Bungie would/will do this though. It’d probably be difficult to program other Guardians in a way that would be unique. I do hope we meet Shin at some point.
Part of me now wonders if this’ll lead to the next darkness subclass. Instead of us discovering it, maybe it’s forged by the shadows of yor, and we’re taught the art of hive magic infused with light/dark
So two things I was thinking, possibly three. First, on Bad Juju if I remember correctly the weapon was made in an attempt to mimic the weapons of sorrow by Toland. Ironically he succeeded because that weapon feeds itself just like thorn and the striga. I strongly believe Bad Juju falls under a weapon of sorrow for that. Second, thinking on the crimson and its ability to heal the user while being labeled "officially this weapon doesn't exist" suggest the vanguard had a stronger dislike for whatever breed of weapon crimson is vs the weapons of sorrow. And lastly what of the Deathbringer, a rocket launcher born of hive magic that literally harnesses their death song.
The way they've been taking this and how they haven't just forgotten about it and it's connected to a few other tabs. Makes me hope and pray that we might get a Shin malfur (killed the spelling) season. It' still connects to Hive and the darkness or think about it it's not out of the realm of possibilities.
I reckon we will get a small trickle of a couple more weapons that'll tease us with more lore then another little quest with shin to make another new weapon.
What if this is leading up to a season after final shape where we meet shin and track down jana maybe even res yor to help as his ghost is still out there
Hey gang. Audio's been a little out of whack for the last few videos. lemme know if there are further adjustments we need to make or not!
Just slightly echoed
For me it seems like you voice is really sunken back into the mix and really quiet. Not sure if it's something on your end or UA-cam compression tho
As someone who does not like to use the warlock, there definitely needs to be exotics for Titans and hunters so that they can also utilize it similarly with this weapon
Seems fine
This video seems better than the last few which your voice was very quiet. Before I had my phone on full volume and had to hold it close to me ear sometimes, now it's better
Forget all of the other damage types, this poison/corruption is my new favorite element
Telesto with poison???
@@shreks_bath_mud6360 oh dear God.. no
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 it's literally called corruption, if you die to necrotic grip poison in the crucible it says you died to corruption. Research before you claim stuff so boldly.
Also you mis spelled crota
Read the lore u muppet
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 so then you're both right and this debate is pointless
Also I learned a few interesting things about the name Osteo Striga while preparing to record the Lore for this weapon too! Osteo is a word that means "relating to the bones"... We all know that Hive bones were graphed to the original Rose handcannon by Rezel Azir so this could be a tie in to the Thorn. But a super cool fact is that...Striga, is commonly known as witchweed, a genus of parasitic plants. Witchweeds are characterized by bright-green stems and leaves and small, brightly colored and attractive flowers. They are obligate hemiparasites of roots and require a living host for germination and initial development, though they can then survive on their own.
FN cool huh?! These Striga/Witchweeds are all over Savathun's Throne World. And they survive off of a parasitic relationship just like Hive and their worms 👍🏾
Sooo 'parasitic plant relating to the bones' That does seem to fit the gun, if you look at the magazine when firing, it's 'eating' the bone there and expelling those poisonous swarm darts.
That’s sicc af dude thanks for sharing
at the very start of the EDZ psycohack on the left (where everyone usually gets on their sparrows) there is what looks like a dead guardian with a large flower growing out of it.
@@VallornDeathblade aaaand now I gotta add that to my notes 😅 did not notice that at all...damn that is a sweet detail to have all things considered.
@@ericconrad8854 👍🏾👍🏾 heck yeah there is...and I swear you can hear the plants too if you turn the music down.
I'm curious if Jana-14 will continue to show up as a reoccuring character in further Lore Tabs relating to the Weapons of Sorrow/Darkness Armor lore tabs. Having connecting points like this is so cool to me.
There’s darkness armor???
In this you mention that Weapons of Sorrow generally have an unnatural hunger for combat, but that Bad Juju seemingly is without it. But according to its D1 Grimoire Card, it actually does- "There must be a structured, mechanical explanation for this weapon's hunger for combat. There must be. But none has been found."
The flavor text in d2 also mentions it iirc
Theres also the concept that Weapons of Sorrow are a specific combination of Humanity's mastery of war and Hive magic.
So far the weapons that can be confirmed as canon Weapons of Sorrow are Thorn, Necrochasm, Touch of Malice, and Striga. All of which being weapons of humanity that were transformed to a new more powerful form at the cost of their corrupting nature for more deaths. Corrupting the user to follow the Sword Logic in a sense.
Bad Juju is a bastardization of a Weapon of Sorrow. A prototype in a sense. Since Toland the Shattered attempted to make his own weapon of sorrow when he created Bad Juju. But it is not a true Weapon of Sorrow, just a failed if not powerful experiment.
Then again with the addition of breaking free of the sword logic with the lore involved with Whisper of the Worm.
Then technically Touch of Malice, Whisper, and Parasite would fall under the concept of Anthem Anatheme. Metamorphosis Weapons... even if Parasite was less willing then Oryx or Xol to become weapons. By becoming the Sword Logic itself in death compared to being slaved to it in life.
@@francisharkins aren't Crimson and Red Death also weapons of sorrow?
@@keksisthebetrayed8494Red Death was modified by a Fallen, and crimson was recreated from red death.
In Lucent Tales, Immaru asks Savathun about such "Ghost-killer" weapons after seeing Guardians crush Hive Ghosts. After this video, I'm wondering if we'll get some sort of Foundary of Sorrow
I thought when Striga was introduced it was going to be a sorrow-fied version of the recluse. A weapon so good at shooting guardians the hive sought to make those it shot stay dead.
With how it uses veist reload, maybe you could be getting somewhere
With the release of the Witch Queen expansion, I was hoping that some of the weapons would be Hive themed, instead of the current Throne world designs we have, not that they're bad or anything, but just a few if not all of em should've been Hive themed. I can't help but feel this was a bit of a missed opportunity.
“Weapons of sorrow have an insatiable hunger” Touch of Malice literally eats us to death.
Though it doesn’t seem to fit other metrics and it also feels different in a more intangible way
Hehe yeah
Doesn't ruinous effigy literally eat our light? Not just converting it but consuming it, does that count as a weapon of sorrow since it was forged with darkness as well as light?
@@eliaspanayi3465 It does eat Light, but it's such a small amount that the Guardian/user doesn't notice.
Not a Weapon of Sorrow, though.
@@RMediaObelisk It's not actually a small amount. We don't notice because we are extremely strong in the light ourselves. lesser guardians would have a lot of trouble trying to wield it.
Seeing enemies exploding into poison that makes others poisoned and also explode is just so satisfying. The fact that the exotics are lore linked as well is kind of neat
Honestly I'm hoping we get a season out of this story.
Season of the shadow
Shin in the helm as a vendor, room decorated with members of the shadows of yor
Crafting ledgendary and exotic weapons of sorrow
New activity is centred around "harvesting" the corruption.
Drifter, Eris, Elsie and Shin on coms.
A man can dream...
EDIT.
Thought of some fun exotics. I'm a warlock but I tried to do a little for hunter and titan too.
Warlock - Old World Mask
"these masks are rumored to have fought plagues before... And they shall again."
Appearance - Heavily resembles the mask of a plauge Doctor with a matching hood that covers the back of the head.
Perk - Containing Pestilence
This exotic allows for the wielder to see enemies hit with weapons of sorrow or corruption to be seen through walls in close range and in PvE enemies take 10% more damage by the warlock when poisoned. If the target dies the warlock receives devour, which will only reproc on poisoned enemy deaths.
Titans - Corrupted Bulwark
Description - "An old legend fell to this... But we won't."
These gauntlets have pieces of corrupting flesh strewn on the metal plating with stasis crystals growing through them
Perk - Darkest day
Titan stasis crystals that are created when this exotic is equipped will also deal a poison aoe in the crystals blast radius. The poisons power scales based on what caused it. So headstone is weakest with super being strongest. The crystals made are also glowing green.
Weapons of sorrow will create stasis crystals matching the power of headstone if these gauntlets are equipped.
Hunters - Withered roses
Description - "It was more once... But perhaps it still has a purpose. Its hunger remains..."
These hunter leg pieces have a withered hand cannon in the holster, which is a unstable Thorn. Not the original though. Though the barrel drips with poison.
Perk - Corrupted rounds.
Hunters will leave a poison trail behind them where they walk. Also the hunter will create weak poison bursts when any ability (even double jump) is used. It is weak but can stack on a enemy till 5 times.
In PvE this also will allow all weapons of sorrow to stack poison damage.
Weapons
The old ways stasis sword
Heavy
Looks like a shattered version of oryxs sword which is stuck back together with poison
Description - The husk of oathbraker empowered by our corruption HA! ... You uhh... Think this still counts? - Drifter
Perk
Corrupted Shape - The heavy attack button causes the player to slam the blade into the ground at their feet. Creating a "rift" that poisons any enemy that enters. Enemies that die here build up wrath. Which empowers basic attacks.
Corrupted breath
special kenetic trace rifle.
Description - Hey nothing in the Geneva Convention covers aliens. - Shadow of Yor
This trace rifle looks omolon made with the tanks that usually hold the liquid fuel being filled up with poison. Fumes are given off by the barrel.
Perk - Corrupting breath.
This fusion rifle shoots out a continuous jet of poison that rapidly uses ammo. (think flame thrower) short range really high damage and leaves pools of poison.
The mockery
Tex mechanica special handcannon
Description - You ever hear of the First Curse? It has a new shape now. Out of the shadow of its sister. - Dredgen Vale.
As hinted this is the First Curse though now black citin is grafted to the gun along with hive runes. The magazine also displays the mark of the devourer on the back.
Perk - The line
Headshots with this gun poison targets. Shots on poisoned targets do not use ammo in the traditional sense. Instead stacks of hunger build on the gun. These empower the last shot multiplicitively. At 7 stacks the final shot deals 5x damage. However stacks above 5 will create a moderately sized aoe that poisons all allies and enemies nearby, and also hurts the wielder. This effect also triggers on a miss above 4 stacks. Though this effect isn't massively dangerous until 6 stacks.
For reference 4 doesn't really do any damage just halts regen.
But but, Jana-14 is waifu material...
I wonder what she looks like
Omg I'd love a whole season revolving around this and the return of Shin. Do you think actually meeting Shin is feasible?
Either Shin or Aunor, both would be super cool
@@veralium hell why not both?
@@EdibleClown Either way I am definitely looking forward to seeing what happens with this story
Y? If they do bring shin into the game it's gonna be an npc stuck in a corner.
@@EdibleClown Hm...as cool as it would be, I doubt it.
From the initial questlined lorebooks from Shin, he's entrusted the Last Word, the reborn Thorn, and the burden of 'walking the line between' to us.
Only way he would possibly return is if we (or him) somehow 'faltered', and as far as I can see, neither would/will.
I don’t think this is Shin’s enemy. Shin fought a “hunter”. I think this is a warlock against warlock. I think Aunor is going to be the new Shin.
Shin fought what was previously a Titan.
@@okruma625 yeah a "hunter" as in that the legend says they were a hunter
Nah anour hates the dark to much to be a shin .
People are throwing around the idea of Shayura being the one who puts down Jana-14, both warlocks, both using SMGs. Could work, we’ll just have to see where Bungie takes their storylines.
@@callmelunaVEVO Not likely going to happen, Shayura surrendered to the Vanguard after battling against the Lucent Brood, turns out that after she destroyed a Hive Ghost, her entire perception on things crumbled. Aisha wants to help Shayura get the help she needs now more than ever.
I remember reading a post on Reddit that pointed out that the way the Books of Sorrow are written are nearly identical to how Xivu Arath communicates to the Wrathborn in order to corrupt them, with some sentences being essentially word for word repeats. I think the youngest of the Osmium dynasty has been more active than we initially believed.
I know this is a mistake, but the fact that in Byf's mind the thorns wielder is DREDGEN LORE is the best thing I've ever discovered
Yes we need more! Your content is what drives Destiny’s story for me. You alone make Destiny a better game. Keep it up!
"The weapon did not care what it ate, only that it was hungry."
-a friend of mine describing Thorn, and apparently other Weapons of Sorrow
Well said
The hive in a nutshell
Your friend is clearly Warhammer savvy
There are similar lore interactions with Lumina and Boots of the assembler: “pseudophotons and impossible math”. I wonder if those interactions will be explore more as well?
Maybe Shin will be the one who’ll give us the second darkness subclass or pointed us in the right direction the same way the stranger did
Absolutely love Thorn, and the history behind it. This is absolutely phenomenal news for those of us who still follow the path of Yor
we the guardian already have experience in crafting incredibly powerful, and sometimes evil weapons. I could totally see us tracking down the creator of these new weapons of sorrow to find a way to counter the lucent hive. Maybe we create a gun with the same capabilities as thorn using it to snuff out hive guardians light without crushing their ghost. seems plausible with the direction bungie is taking the story.
When we remade thorn in the original quest I believe it was stated that it could be made to sever the light just like the other thorns, but we didn't because obviously we wouldn't be able to take it to the crucible
@@eliaspanayi3465 we gotta think of crucible, it could act like the new staff in psiops. or have a lore tidbit that says it ONLY works on hive guardians.
I don't want to think about the crusible
@@hehitmeinthekneegur1551 god me too
@@eliaspanayi3465 when we originally got the quest, the very first piece of text was how our guardian felt sick from just holding og Thorn, pretty much why we couldn’t use it until it became rose again
"this time I ensured the scanners were running beforehand" that's not an accident.
I new this weapon was super similar to Thorn, and to think it was made from remnants of Thorn makes it even better. I love the Lore around these weapons
My favorite weapons in general are all exotics, and there's only 4
Thorn, Witherhoard, Le Monarque, and now Osteo Striga...
Ah yes, the quadruple DOT terrors.
Nah cerberous
I've been enjoying izinagis burden recently
The Story around the the two Exo Handcannons and the VoG Raid Lore were the first two things that fascinated me in Destiny’s Story, so yes always and forever more of it.
I‘m still hoping that one day we will meet Shin and will get a cutscene of an epic duel while we sit next to him and listen to his story.
i think there's a strong possibility the weapons of sorrow might play a big part in a future upcomming season and perhaps have something tied to them during the lightfall but as of right now its to early to tell
Id love to see an exotic quest line for Necrocasm. it was one of my favorite guns in D1 and to have it come back with deep lore would be awesome. That and i love the exploding thrall perk
the story element that controlled evil can be used to produce good is such an ancient and common story device and every time i see it i still love it.
To this day I simply cannot believe they havent managed to do anything in game with shin and the others. He is so iconic and beloved and the story of hand cannons is such an integral part of destiny. My hopes are for beyond The final shape when the new destiny saga will come.
The whole story line of Shin, weapons of sorrow, shadows of Yor, all of it... I'd love to see more of this story expanded upon.
If we ever get more Sorrow exotics in Lightfall(thats if necrotic grips count as one already). New Arms exotic idea for strand. Ritual of sorrow perk: Consume your grenade energy to call forth a pack of thrall to aid you
I think it would be cool to get a full season where we actually finally meet shin and maybe other shadows of yor to somehow reach a deeper understanding and maybe help shin and them “hunt down” or otherwise contain guardians who have strayed too far from the light. Could be interesting as a semi lead up to light fall.
I wonder if we will get a "Lumina" version of Striga. I think it would be cool to get an entire set of weapons of sorrow, like auto rifles, pulses, fusions even, all with the corrosive effect of thorn, but then think of the idea of purifying each one into some kind of light based weapon of hope!
I remember when we first saw this gun on the shaping screen during the vidoc and seeing "revisions of sorrow" hyped me and my buddy a bit too much lmao
The Striga is notably crafted, using our deepsight ability. This weapon was *remembered* by us, from a past, future, or alternate of either one.
I noticed a nice little detail while watching this gameplay; unlike when firing with the base mag, the magazine on the model doesn’t deteriorate and decay as you fire while overfilled with the catalyst’s effect, as if you’re feeding the hunger and keeping it healthy.
or this is just explained with technicalities and coding, not counting extra rounds as part of the base mag, which makes sense.
You're the best byf, thank you for improving my day!
Maybe he should improve your grammar while he’s at it
Bungie confirmed touch of malice as weapon of sorrow during their vidoc where they talk about osteo
My osteo striga was becoming unfun to use, so I got it to level 69 and vaulted it
No one asked
@@grey-1206 bruh
@@grey-1206 unnecessary
Don't worry, he has an anime pfp, all opinions automatically invalid
For me Osteo is a reliable workhorse weapon. Really good, but has some stiff competition at least in easy content. Chain reaction wave frame, volatile rounds, trinity ghoul, void detonators, swords. Osteo gets the job done for overload, killing packs of adds, and has incredible range and stickiness(duh).
Fun fact! Thorn and osteo both have Similar reload sound effects
If we look past all the corruption and hive-magics, the development of the weapons of sorrow seems quite natural, I think. Because when new armor is invented, people invent weapons that can pierce that armor. Like arrowheads designed to spread the rings of a chainmail. When there are those who can be revived after death, weapons capable of delivering final death will be developed.
Your inspiring with the amount of content you make, hoping to get to your level someday 💪
I think it's very possible the next weapon of sorrow could be an exotic glaive you would have to craft at the mars relic. I do wonder about this trek down into further depths of corruption, but it's definitely something I think players would be interested in.
This video was absolute gold, in entertainment and education. Thank you Lore Daddy
I wonder if weapons is sorrow will get their own foundry… also if poison becomes a subclass I wonder if thorn, osteo, & necrochasm will all get reworked with toxin as it’s elemental damage type similar to stasis.
I think/hope there will be an entire season about the Shadows of Yor.
Did you notice Taeko-3 name? She died in a strike allowing herself to be turned into a crystal.
I love this weapon. It helped greatly solo the vox obscura mission and move further in legendary campaign.
Wow. I should have read it before. The Necrotic Grip lore entry reads like an SCP log.
Would love a cinematic of guardians vs guardians, crucible, dark age, the dark guardians and Aunor, Shayura and the Trials
With the treatment they've been giving to seasonal storytelling, especially cutscenes and dialogue, I would love to have a more intensive in-game arc surrounding weapons of sorrow/Shin. We are learning about their events after or around when they happen, and I'd love for us to be at the center of them in-game.
Love this, very interesting and dark lore. Getting goosebumps from heraing it, would love more videos! Maybe this is the start to the "necrotic" subclass?
Bravo, Byf! I read this lore and went 😳"Well, I can't wait to see what Byf brings to this." And, man, talk about satisfying! Hadn't put the Jana-14 thing together from the video on the grips, didn't know about the connection with Weapons of Sorrow lore, and over all that, I was blown away by your reading of the Striga lore. It's so hard to be creative in the face of adversity, and I'm inspired by your tenacity in hitting the ground running after last week. ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽See you starside, brother!
I'd like a re-visit of those stories, because the whole Shin keeping an eye on people creating Thorns in order to use the darkness for good cult thing was new to me
Came back to this video and this caught my eye. Found in the first sentence of the description: "the infamous weapon of Dredgen Lore." Cracked me up a bit.
New byf vid. My day has just climaxed.
Love how the TWAB from yesterday confirmed what Byf was saying in this: Thorn and Osteo Striga are the only Weapons of Sorrow
It would be interesting to see this storyline revisited in the current environment as it regards darkness and light.
The last major story extension was on the very front end of the blurring of lines around dark and light. But now with Guardian's using Stasis actively and the Hive having guardians, this could be very interesting.
I think it would be amazing to see the shadows of yor returning, especially if maybe they are using the possible poison/corruption subclass rumored for destiny.
Just as I was about to take a nap too perfect timing
Osteo Striga in a nutshell:
Savathûn decided to buy VEIST
“Another ‘accidental’ discharged happened”
Always a twist into another possibility of a season revolving around shin and the drifter again. Something is brewing, maybe drifter still has a chance at that craziest gun fight yet…..
Thank you Byf. I've been waiting for this. I'm a huge fan of all the poison elements and hope for a subclass in the future. I started a warlock this season just to get necrotic grip for these weapons.
I see this showing up in several seasons over the next few years. With Shin and/or Eris getting corrupted by a mix of stasis (or other darkness powers) and weapons of sorrow. They create a group of dark guardians that we have to deal with over time.
Fits in with some of the Stranger’s other futures she has already experienced.
Glad to see weapon lore! I hope there’s more to come in the future!
Was my main weapon for first Season of witch queen, and just returned to this in season 2.
Such an underated weapon, even more so for Warlocks... And that Siva Ornament for necrotic grips 👀 ohhhh how could I not buy it
The Osteo Striga also makes a screeching kind of sound when you swap from the Witherhoard to the striga.
I gotta say, I love the idea that a future season could be set around tracking Jana-14 down to find whoever is creating them. I'm sure there are more pending seasonal stories like Calus and Rasputin so it may just be developed in lore tabs or an exotic quest, but it'd be so cool if the guardian was sent to track them down.
There's a growing theme of corruption over the guardians, the people Aunor is hunting, Jana-14... This only makes me wonder where did Savathun put the crown of sorrows and if she planned to use it and the fact that she spread her song all over the city before the vex invasion. Someone has to do something with those loose ends and I'm waiting for it
That (close enough!) was such a mood
I think it would be a cool to have a mission where we get a new ally who turns out to be a corrupted guardian and we have to end up fighting them
I love this everything about this weapon and it’s Ilk. The lore and aesthetic are just amazing. I’ll be maining necrotic grips with Osteo And Thorn all season, complete with corrupted echo armor.
Great video!
Literally same lol
Love listening to your videos while I fill paperwork out at work
I interpreted that the Thorn she had gotten either starved or died and she just reforged it just as we did. Osteo also litterally means in relation to bones. Striga is also used as a name in the lore tab rather than the litteral definition of striga. So it'd be Bones of Striga, maybe?
I would be very interested in more information on who these other people mentioned in the video are! I was a bit lost for a while and I think a new series would really help to clear things up, especially if it could be one of the themes of a new season! Love what you do man, keep it up, you are the lore god.
I keep hearing about all these different groups of guardians in destiny. Ones that have taken on darker purposes. This raises a question that I've had for a long time. Now tha bungie has hive guardians as enemies; will we be getting actual guardians as enemies? The Shadows of Yor, Jana-14, Shayura; all these guardians and the only ones we fight are in the crucible. There will come a time when I think we'll be going toe-to-toe with lightbearers of earth but will we have the strength to kill their ghosts like the hive's?
Good lord that makes sense 👀👀
shay appears to have surrendered, according to the new scout lore tab
Regardless of if we do end up fighting other human guardians one day, I would just like to note that Shayura is actually currently in prison/therapy after having a mental breakdown from seeing Hive with the light.
*YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT*
@@erikm8373 And we also know that Aisha is a kind soul :)
(I knew it was her, THAT Stasis wielding hunter who stood up against a crowd to save the brother of the murdered Eliksni !!)
Oh man, I would *LOVE* it if this story is a foreshadowing for what Lightfall is about.
Ever since they released Necrotic Grips I've been maining all of the weapons of Sorrow with my Voidlock (Striga, Thorn, ToM) it's very niche but I enjoy rending my enemies who are hollow of spirit and meaning.
Ive always loved the story of thorn and last word. I was wondering if they would ever continue telling us about the weapons of sorrow. I stopped playing destiny after the taken king and I still watch these lore videos because I find them interesting.
For some reason, the idea of a Stasis version of Golden Gun popped into my head.
Well I mean I remember somewhere in the witch queen Vidoc one of the devs said that touch of malice was a weapon of sorrow.
It would be pretty cool if Shin and Drifter teamed up as a buddy cop duo. Since both are well versed in making paracausal weapons like the Thorn, Lumina and Malfeasance. Also Jana-14 is my new favorite lore character.
Yesssssss i love all of the lore around this. Cant wait to see this content in game
Possibly that in the next season (which I will dub the Season of Sorrow) is going to be us the Guardian hunting down Jana-14 while tramping up with Shin Malphur, after Caital informs Zavala and us about the now rogue Exo's trail of feeding the Osteo Striga, killing both Guardian and Cabal. Finding evidence of finding patterns in her killings or even the use of Psions loyal to Caital to track possible areas until we encounter guardians corrupted by the darkness.
YES make more on these weapons if you can . They are some of theost intersting things in the game
Was waiting for this video!
I absolutely love the lore around Thorn.
Hive lore in this game is what I live for. It’s always been the best content. The weapon lore is disturbing and mysterious. And the content that comes out every hive based dlc is just too much fun
I've seen ppl thinking about the idea for a new darkness subclass and calling it "corruption" but i think Sorrow could be a creepier cooler name for this kind of energy in a darkness subclass
I'm hoping that someday we get a Season of the Renegade or Season of Sorrow or something like that themed around working with Shin to hunt down the creator(s) and corrupted wielders of new Weapons of Sorrow.
I wonder if the weapons of sorrow are like the glaive Rhulk used that was then transformed by the Witness. Maybe this is,my some extension, the Witness' way of seeding the sword logic into humanity and the guardians before his return to the sol system...
Shin hearing/seeing Guardians wielding light and dark in balance in service of humanity and the greater good: I sleep.
Shin hearing there’s another “Dredgen Yor” using another weapon of sorrow to kill people: readies Golden Gun with murderous intent.👿
The stories could be a lesson on how to use hive magic for ourselves as a new darkness subclass.
If we are to get a poison based subclass in the future, i think jana and the shadows of yor will be playing a major part in the subclasses development, hell it could mean we could be getting our first destiny enemies who are dark guardian AI's
I imagine Shin would be alright with Drifter, Eris and Elizabeth teaching Guardians how to wield the Darkness (stasis) properly, while resisting corruption. Though I feel the Shadows of Yor would be unhappy that the Guardian was able to tap into the Darkness’ true power while they’d be fiddling around with Thorns for so long. A season, like “season of the shadows” would be interesting”. Delving into Aunor, Shin, Drifter, and Shayura’s lore, while being taught how to harness a new poisonous subclass, while hunting down corrupted Guardians. Idk if Bungie would/will do this though. It’d probably be difficult to program other Guardians in a way that would be unique. I do hope we meet Shin at some point.
Part of me now wonders if this’ll lead to the next darkness subclass. Instead of us discovering it, maybe it’s forged by the shadows of yor, and we’re taught the art of hive magic infused with light/dark
So two things I was thinking, possibly three.
First, on Bad Juju if I remember correctly the weapon was made in an attempt to mimic the weapons of sorrow by Toland. Ironically he succeeded because that weapon feeds itself just like thorn and the striga. I strongly believe Bad Juju falls under a weapon of sorrow for that.
Second, thinking on the crimson and its ability to heal the user while being labeled "officially this weapon doesn't exist" suggest the vanguard had a stronger dislike for whatever breed of weapon crimson is vs the weapons of sorrow.
And lastly what of the Deathbringer, a rocket launcher born of hive magic that literally harnesses their death song.
The way they've been taking this and how they haven't just forgotten about it and it's connected to a few other tabs. Makes me hope and pray that we might get a Shin malfur (killed the spelling) season. It' still connects to Hive and the darkness or think about it it's not out of the realm of possibilities.
I reckon we will get a small trickle of a couple more weapons that'll tease us with more lore then another little quest with shin to make another new weapon.
This smg is my favorite thing out there. Might even make a warlock for it.
What if this is leading up to a season after final shape where we meet shin and track down jana maybe even res yor to help as his ghost is still out there