Best & Worst of Owning an 86 - Long Term #7 FRS (BRZ/86) - Everyday Driver
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2017
- We've had this 2013 Scion FRS in our long term fleet for about two years. Todd takes it on a favorite back road to discuss the best and worst of the ownership experience.
This car has been sold! - It went to a new home a week after this video was released. Thank you for all the interest!
NOTE - This is a re-upload due to a sound issue with the original file. Sorry about that.
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This is one if the best Craigslist ads ever.
Lmfao
I thank you for supporting the 86 platform as it meant to be. A lot of reviews always complain about the lack of power. This isn't a car about power, its about handling and becoming a better driver. I hope you give it to someone who will cherish as much as you did.
Matt Botelho Couldn't agree more. My girlfriend and I, who both drive this car, agrees that the first upgrade we'd want would be automatic wind screen wipers. Because driving turny roads in constantly varying rain with manual control kills all that potential driving joy..
hmmm thats actually a pretty good idea :D
Matt Botelho people who complain that this car is slow can't drive. But, such is the nature of keyboard race drivers.
Chris Rader even those that have owned one or even driven one did not like the power. but again they were looking for a different car all together
You really need to understand the gear ratios so you know how to get the most power out of it stock.
I don't have any trouble getting up most on-ramps, which people always use as an example to make our car look slow.
If your drag racing a Miata, fiesta ST or a frs you've missed the point of these cars entirely!
Loganbb91 exactly,
If you drag race these cars you're probably 16
He said that it is a mountain road car, and he said it is perfectly fine in corners..
leave drag racing to the drag racers, and enjoy these cars as they were meant to be- fun cruisers!
It's like bringing a 1000hp+ muscle car to a touge racing
As an entry-level affordable sports car I’ve always thought the 200-205hp was impressive for a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. You’ll find very few that match or top that.
A minivan T-boned me in my FRS, totaling it. I got a Mustang GT to replace it, just so I could tick "American V8" off the bucket list. But every time the road curves and snakes, I miss my FRS. It was a revelatory car. It should get more love.
Luigi de Guzman My first and current car is a v6 07 mustang. And for some reasons even though I have never driven a lighter car in classes similar to the Miata, FRS, etc, I can feel your pain.
I want to know what its like to dip in corners like its nothing at 40-50mph. It must be bliss......
Desmond Harrington the lightness and balance of the 86 platform makes it incredibly satisfying to drive hard. You don't accelerate fast, but you find yourself hanging on and getting into a rhythm. I will never not recommend it as a "fun" car. Bonus: it was a lot cheaper to run than my Mustang.
Luigi de Guzman | That's awesome. Just listening to you is getting me excited. Has my heart pumping lol.
I know I'll get in a FRS one day. Hey, maybe you should get a coilover kit for your V8? As well as have someone corner balance it. I read from guys that they love it; it stops the dips during launch, hugs the road, and they haven't even added adjustable anti bars.
It won't be as balanced as the 86 of course but I'm sure you would love the feel of the new set up.
Unless you have other priorities right now, like me.
Desmond Harrington mine's a 2017 GT with the performance pack. I don't want to drop the ride height any further than stock because I'm going to start scraping a lot (steep driveway, dodgy pavement etc). Plus, I don't mind the stock suspension for "GT" type driving.
Planned mods: square tire setup, probably 285/35/19 all around. Maybe lighter wheels. Might also do some intake and exhaust mods to make a rough approximation in sound and feel to a Boss 302.
The long long term goal will be to save up for a house with 2 garage spaces. Then I could get a light car to go with the heavy one!
Luigi de Guzman Wow nice! I assumed you had the old S197 l. Cool. Sounds like a good plan. I wonder what your "light" car will be haha
Thank you for fixing the audio, small detail, but I think any uploader deserves props for quickly responding to their audience.
Agreed. earned my sub.
pudniskool by fixing an audio issue?
6 inch?
Sev nice profile pic
Miguel García, thank you good sir, may I say that you also look dashing on this fine summer day!
Just can't stop thinking he really looks like Trevor in GTA.
Thomas 😂😂😂
I agree 100%. Also, I'm the odd duck, as I sold my '14 Cayman S (981) & bought a '17 BRZ Limited. Everyone thinks I'm crazy, but I can have 99.9% of the fun in the BRZ that I had in the Porsche for a fraction of the cost. HP is not for everyone & I appreciate not reaching terminal ticket speeds every time I come out of second gear now. Just ordering my coilovers, wheels/tires & the BRZ will be complete!
TheVaughnShow noooo !!! Your channel motivated me to get a 2016 Cayman GTS (you also helped me decide that I wanted a 981 over a 718), a shame that you sold the Cayman :(
I could never do what you did hahaha Porsche are proper exotic sports cars....
Which coilovers are you getting and do you have the performance package on your BRZ?
Yeah you are crazy.
You can thrash, drift, mod, and drive the 86 to the 10s without breaking the speed limit (also did I mention drift?!). Not so much with the Porsche. Plus you can haul 4 passengers or a generous amount of cargo (for a sports car) in a pinch. Can't beat $/driving fun.
I actually love the interior of this car lol
Honestly, I do aswell. While i can see some points people bring up are justified, I am just very pleased with the things you actually touch alot while driving. Steering wheel feels awesome, the alcantara seats feel awesome, shifter and handbrake feel awesome, pedal position is amazing etc. I don't care if the plastic silver wheels of the auto climate control don't feel amazing, i literally touch those once at the beginning of my trip. :D
I;m 6'4" and found it very roomy, the miata on the other hand, was impossibly small.
Me too, everything I actually use regularly feels right. The Steering wheel with no fruity controls, the cruise control out of the way, it feels like a car meant to drive. The upgraded climate control stuff feels fine. The Subaru sound system needs thrown out and shot. As far as room and comfort, I'm a 6'3" fat gun toting American, and I fit great and comfortably inside. It's wierd how well it fits. I'm sure I've gotten many disbelieving stares from onlookers in the Wal-mart parking lot as I pry my fat out of that tiny car. I love the leather padding on the inside of the foot well, and the way the seat hugs my fatness. Other than that, everything this guy said hit the mark. I would buy this car again in a heartbeat, because as a fat family guy, I can't justify spending 60k+ on a sports car just for me to enjoy, as I know I'd be keeping that extra 30k+ from something to better my wife and kids. My only regret, is that I still haven't rolled my blubber butt to the track yet.
The materials are absolute garbage.
Go to the track man! I went to an instructor course and it was one of the most enjoyable things I've ever done.
Everyone complaining about the FRS/BRZ/86 being slow must never have taken a corner in this car. I autocross mine and constantly beat Corvettes, Mustangs and GTIs. All I have is sticky tires. Try and push it in the corners like he said in the video and you'll find out that everyone else is braking and you are passing them. There is more than one type of speed.
I agree. I'm ripping it on back roads with a lot of curves and cars that are much faster can't keep up on the bends.
Yes, late braking and high carry speeds is where this car shines. It gives you a lot of confidence near the limit and the car never feels like it is out of control. The harder you push it the better it get. If you bought this car to race at street lights you bought the wrong car lol. But take it on a winding canyon road and it will reward you.
Autocrossed mine too. Hella fun! Was quite interesting going from a 08 M3 to the BRZ, but I never looked back... until I was forced to sell due to an overseas move. :(
How does it do against experienced 370z drivers? I've seen a number of 370z's on full tracks keep up with porsches in the turns, not sure on short courses like auto-x.... about to do the front swaybar+bushings on mine, otherwise it's an okay car that doesn't leave me pissed off/embarrased in a straight line, the stock brakes were completely garbage, so I went 2 piece rotors/motul 600/lines/flush, and after about 3 months they're bed in and beg for punishment. Used 370's are cheap, so I'm surprised they don't have more of a following.
370s can keep up with the 86s in the corners, and leave them in the dust in the straights to be honest, but they are pretty heavy and not as eager to change direction because of that. That's the number one complaint against them. They can keep up in corners but you have to have a lot of balls and nerves of steel because they just don't give you the confidence at the limit that the 86 does. I guess it just depends on what kind of driver you are like you said.
Cars in which you can use all the horsepower every time you drive, are the best!
Current beater/commuter is an AE111 Sprinter Trueno. 2300 pounds with 163hp. So much more fun revving through the gears in lightweight cars! I do miss my old BRZ.
I think all family sedans can meet your standard. You can definitely use all the HP from a Prius :D
+Jay Lyons From bz-r to brz aye
Just like James May and his Turbo powered Fiat Panda.
Facts 👍🏼💯
This was a very concise and honest review of this car. Having owned a 2013 frs for nearly 3 years, I find it uncanny that I have experienced every quirk and issue mentioned in this segment down to the gas cap loosing pressure. I will be anxiously looking forward to your next choice of vehicle. Thank you again for your passion and dedication to auto journalism. I sincerely believe that Everyday Driver is by far the best representation of the craft currently available in this medium.
I've got a 2013 and never experienced any issues. Never had a check engine in 50k miles
@@StevenStGelais Hey man has the car given you any problems since ever since from this comment that has been 6 month ago? lol
Speaking as an owner of a 2013 BRZ I'd say your review and comments hit the nail on the head regarding what this platform is all about. As always, great content and thanks for the honest, straightforward, high quality reviews.
Great review! Always love the long-term non-biased reviews of a car, saves a lot of us consumers time and money on making the decision on their next vehicle.
This is my dream car . Its so beautiful
You guys do great reviews. You give us real information and don't treat us like 10 sec attention spans.
I love my BRZ. Had it since new in 2014. Driven daily in Colorado. Haven't had one issue or a rattle which I expect to no longer be the case when I get it back from the body ship from having all its hail damage fixed. The damage was so bad they had to replace 1 fender, the hood, trunk and roof. I miss it and can't wait to get it back. I plan on keeping the car for a very long time.
I owned an original ae86 and that thing was slow as hell, I'm talking any decent human being on foot could beat it light to light. But when you got into the corners, even on shitty tires. It shines. Oh, did it shine...
Damn. Lucky man you are.
Yeah everyone calls this thing slow. I ask them do you want to go for a drive in my '97 Impreza? 140 hp and 140 tq with power sapping awd! The turbo ones were fast of course.
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You’re full of shit.
@@yaboyg2049 *Me has entered the chat*
Have had my 15 brz for about 4 months now and my wife and i love it. I am slowly doing the things you have recommended in the past for them. Already put 18" rims with sticky tires, drop in k&n filter and changed the stock tube to a carbon fiber smooth tube. Tomorrow I am getting the nvidia n1 cat back exhaust put on and eventually will change the header and then a mild tune. It is my wife's daily driver so not looking to do anymore than that but we love the car. Have taken it on tail of the dragon, when it still had the stock tires, and it was a blast to drive there and in the smokies.
Love your honest updates and comments on the car.
Thanks for posting these long term reviews. Helps to know just how good a car is all around. Looks like sooo much fun.
Finally a long term on the 86. Great video, hyped for your next car Todd.
Parted ways with my 17 BRZ this past March. In the time I owned it I enjoyed it very much. Looked great, sounded good with my exhaust set up, and was so fun to drive. Child number two came along and I felt it was time to get a 4 door. Enjoying my WRx, but I have fond memories of my BRZ.
I just want to say I've been watching your reviews on this car for years and I really enjoy your explanations and common sense observations.
Still getting one....it's one of my dream cars....I fell in love when a friend of mine took me drifting in the back roads of Maryland in hers and boy did I have a blast.
As a fellow 2013 FRS owner, I loved this video! You're dead right - sticky tires are key!
Ridiculous Tip Time: There might not be a button on the trunk, but there is a keyhole (it's under the lip of the trunk at the upper-right of the license plate). Awkward as all get-out and almost no one knows it's there (because it's virtually worthless).
I will have owned my Ultramarine FRS for 5 years at the end of the month and I love it as much now (maybe more) as I did when I bought it.
By the way, I bought UEL headers from FT86SpeedFactory because of your videos! Mad props, guys! :)
This entire review is how I feel about my FRS, with the same issues. And with suspension, tires, and tune and it gets close to my Cayman
Maybe the best review...of anything...I’ve ever seen. Everything I needed to know, concisely presented.
There is no downside. Drive my BRZ year round (in Cleveland) So fun! - Thanks for the great commentary.
Best car in the world at it's price point. One of the best cars period.
yep the market need more good cheap cars.... sadly they prefer to push overpriced crap...they sell less and less car but they dont care, govt give them our money and theyll pass more and more laws to force to buy a new car.
''free market'' is a wonderfull thing, all hail democracy as they say
What you just explained isn't a free market though. The auto industry is heavily regulated and I can't blame them with the kind of morons that are on the road.
It sounds like this car has such a good personality
Excellent, clear-headed commentary. Also, i really like that copper paint. GLWS
I actually really appreciate this video very much. I recently just purchased a 2013 ZN6 GT86 and was worried about the heavy engine sound but glad you covered up noisy High pressure fuel pump and I was worried it was something bad.
yess! great episode thanks guys!
Just a quick note - keyless entry "limited" BRZs have a trunk button above the rear license plate and on the fob. Also, as Todd has pointed in other videos, power and torque dip are solved with header/tune. ---- '17 BRZ PP owner.
I think I ended up with about a 18 ft-lb gain around the 4k range with a tune. Definitely changes the way the car feels.
this long term series on the frs was amazing. convinced me to get an frs as my first car, same color and all. had it for a few months and i still love driving it.
Great review. I had to wait 6 months after ordering my GTS and four and a half years later have 90,000 kms on the clock. My only rattle was the well known rear parcel shelf issue. Within 2 months of ownership I took the car from Central Queensland to Bathurst for the 12 hour race, Phillip Island for world Superbikes, Avalon for the International Air show and to Tasmania where I did all the fantastic Targa Tasmania roads. All up 10,000 kms in one month. My only change to the car has been to fit 225/45/17 Continental Sport Contact 5 tyres. The car has performed faultlessly with no issues. I have a quiet chuckle to myself when I see comments about the 86 being gutless. The people making these comments have obviously never driven the car on a tight, challenging road. I still love this car.
The torque dip to me is giving the car two modes: relax mode and give-it-a-go mode. Normally in the city or even high way I shift at 3500 (I even set the shifting beep at 4000). It encourage me to shift early and save fuel. If you are complaining about the torque dip at even fifth gear in the city the chance is you are already speeding. On the other hand when I'm in the mood to push, I'll use the 5000 - 7000 range and, in my opinion if you are on the track and somehow you are below 5000, then you are shifting too lazily
I agree man, I often shift below 3000rpm around town because if I kept going it would mainly just generate noise
meanwhile i change gear in my bmw around 2000-2500rpm for city driving... its NA and got 300nm of torque from 2200rpm
Yiyang BAO I
The torque on the 86 down low is plenty for comfortable city/suburb driving. I don't need more cuz there's always cars that go so slow in front of me no matter how good those cars are. I haven't pushed my 86 to 5000rpm yet cuz I'm still breaking her in...
I have this car, and one my favorite things is the dirt simple three dial cluster, and no touch screen.
Tysm for this video 3 years later
thank you so much for the review, loved it!
I recently traded in my '13 FRS base for a '17 BRZ Series Yellow. I must admit the quality does seem to have gone up. The brembo brakes are amazing, the torque dip is slightly improved; albeit still there. And the new 4.3 rear diff really adds to improved acceleration. It would say, even though it's not a new generation, it was totally worth the upgrade. Plus leather and alcantara seats are amazing.
Love the exhaust sound.
Thank you for making this vdo. I truly enjoy driving my 2017 toyota 86.
Very informative video. The man was really fluid in his presentation
86 Family! Proud FR-S owner
Thanks for the very informative review! I’m looking to replace my aging Honda Accord but Honda today suffers from a lot of QC and reliability problems, so, I thought to go with Toyota but the Camry is not my style-I stumbled upon the GT86 and it looks great and it’s a Toyota!
nailed it on the dot. Driving up and down vasco everyday is a dream in my car. I've shut down so many faster cars in the corners. Puts a smile on my face every time. You can't get a DRIVER'S CAR with this handling for this price. I don't regret the purchase at all. I just got my oft and ofh and the car feels and sounds great
Those gauges on the base trim are quite possibly the best part! My son and I just bought a 2019 BRZ premium for project car and we just sit in that thing and turn dials. Asmr dreams come true. F all that other noise in the limited.
I personally like the 90s styled interior I really love going back in time in cars but I can still have modern commodities.
Hey, I just want to point out - The reason the 2013 BRZ is more expensive than the FRS is due to a list of features it has that FRS doesn't offer, one of those being the trunk release at the trunk. You complained it doesn't have that, but it does, your model just doesn't have it. Great video!
one of the greatest youtube videos my eyes have ever seen
hey finally, u guys posted about the FRS
I LOVE my 2013 BRZ! Open Flash Tablet tune, a Borla Touring axle back exhaust and I'm as happy as can be! A little rattle and yes the crickets but it gets 30mpg and I have fun driving every single time I get in it:) Would absolutely buy another.
j_mosk 30 mpg how ?? lol i get at the most 20 in mine
I was halfway through and you killed it!
As I already told Todd, I drove an FRS for the first time last week. Great car, amazing handling. I need to review one for my UA-cam channel
‘16 Daily driven for more than a year now and I’ve had no problems what so ever. Been reliable, fun to drive and surprisingly rather practical. Love the car and will most likely keep it forever.
this is a great review, everything you described is spot on.
Thank you for this video. Will be purchasing my first official car and it will be the FR-S. Been watching videos left and right. Pros and Cons and I absolutely fell in love. I'm so excited
Thoughts on FR-S being first purchased vehicle?
We've recommended this as a first car as well as a first RWD sports car. The 86 and the MX5 miata are incredible cars to really learn driving and use in any situation. If you get one with a manual transmission it will teach you a lot and be a blast to drive. We hope you get one! Thanks for watching.
Tj Buenavides same! First car intended to be a used frs manual
BUY ONE. I bought a 2015 FR-S last year and there hasn't been a day where I've second guessed my decision. In my opinion it's a wonderful car to own for the price point and it's also relatively cheap to maintain. As a first car you will not be disappointed. BUY MANUAL NOT AUTOMATIC YOU WILL BE MISSING THE POINT IF YOU BUY AN AUTOMATIC
Congrats man, it's a great great car.
Did you end up getting this car?
I had mine for 3 years and old sold it because I had to move overseas and I ended up buying a R32 GT-R. Really didn't want to sell it. It had absolutely no rattles and the bluetooth always worked; granted I replaced the antenna with a Perrin stubby. I constantly heard others having issues though, so maybe I was just lucky. Figured the stubby would have made it worse. I raced mine for the full period of ownership and the tires definitely make all the difference! Definitely can still have fun, as said. Crickets suck. No getting around it. Averaged 31 mpg as well, which included track days. Replace the stock header, get a new tune, and enjoy the mid-range again! :) . My biggest pet peeve would probably be the sun visor. Never seemed to do what I wanted. Oh, and the passenger window 1-touch function hardly ever worked on the first push.
I just started watching this channel about a week ago. I was enjoying the FRS episodes and was hoping they were going to keep building on it. I didn't realize that it wasn't a permanent feature of the show.
Live in Alberta Canada.....daily drive our frs year round....it's the most fun in the snow with a good set of winter Nokian's on it😜
5:46 sweeeeet 🖤
absolutely agree with you. And yes I lost every single mini drag race at the lights to SUVs, TSI golfs, you name it but can beat them everytime at the corners!
Thank you for articulating (preaching?) what most of us owners TRY to convey to people about the 86's. Extremely well said!
I love my FR-S, sadly she may have to go as a need for a more practical car is upon me (and the price jump of the new 86 is hard to take) but even if I step away from the 86 life for a while, I'll be back some day!
I fixed the torque dip with a UEL header, E85 and a tune. Night and day difference. This is how it should have come from the factory. The surge all the way to redline with no torque dip feels amazing. It builds, builds, builds and then you get a nice punch near redline exactly how an NA car should feel like. What this car needs is about 30lbs more of torque in the low to mid-range, which is where most people drive the car. It gets old having to redline every gear to keep up in traffic lol. There's a lot of theories in the forums going around as to why the engineers left the torque dip in there. It has something to do with the high pressure fuel pump's design. Supposedly it cannot keep up or transition smoothly when the ECU switches from the port injectors to the direct injectors around the midrange rpms where the toque dip is at. In an effort to solve this problem you can advance the cam timing to get rid of the dip, but then you get this really loud intake resonance that sounds like marbles in a can so the NVH guys probably did not have a choice but to keep the dip in there
If you want to fix Torque get a custom Diff. I put a 4.88 in mine and it makes a world of difference. (along with headers and a tune of course.)
Yeah short gearing goes a long way as well the gears are a little too tall from factory it doesn't match the powerband at all. You wind up in the torque dip at every shift during normal driving unless you redline each gear lol
Don't even need the E85. Just the header and a tune. UEL is great for that boxer rumble (as long as you don't get a Borla version 1) and you're really only losing a few horses over the EL variant.
Yeah E85 is not necessary to get rid of the dip. I only use it because it adds power along with the header and because all we get here in Cali is crappy 91. It feels like and probably is 87 lol Data logs always showed a bit of knock on 91 too which caused the ECU to pull timing. On E85 I don't show any knock even after hard runs and extensive heat soaking in traffic with intake temperatures sometimes reaching 130+.
They shouldn't have installed two type of Injector. They needed to put a Direct Injection with a VVTL-i, make it 20 valve instead of 16valve and a Higher Precision Fuel Pump. Direct Intake from a designed hood scope and a 4-2-1 headers from the factory. How's all that sound ? I should have made 250hp with this setup and we haven't add in force induction. Let me be blunt, just think about the Honda S2000 (224Hp) from factory and that was a decade ago. No Force Induction
Subaru Bluetooth is terrible in general, while I've never had problem using Toyota's. That's coming from me as a BRZ owner, and former Corolla owner, and from using the radios of friends and family Lexus/Toyotas and Subarus over the years.
had my BRZ for 2 years before i traded it for a wrx. the review nailed it. I just needed the turbo 4wd life :/ but i miss my BRZ on every corner.
New Sub 1st show! I taught my son how to drive in my 89 MR2 and he played with it like a video game. Thanks! fun channel.
I have a 2016 FRS. No rattles or any unwanted noises. It's quiet when I just want to cruise, and its loud when I'm ripping it on back roads. As for crickets, it depends on the gas you're putting. If it has no ethanol, no crickets. The 91 from Shell solves this.
The 91 at the gas station near me I bet has ethanol cause i always get worst mileage there
I had my fuel pump replaced under warranty due to the crickets over a year ago. It never returned.
There isn't any gas in my area that does not have ethanol in it including Shell!
I’ve dailyed 240s and of the such my whole life I just got an st and yea it’s “quick” but I really need my real wheel drive thinking about trading in and picking up an older frs/gt86
I like the platform very much. I'm a Cayman S owner, and Todd is right. For the money and the performance of having a "fun" car, the BRZ/FRS is tough to beat. In the escalating price of the sports car market segment, this is a breath of fresh air. I'm not sure who coined the phrase " The best performance improvement you can do to your car is "The Driver". I've seen this many times at track days. This car puts many people in the sport and market that would be otherwise out-priced in these days of expensive cars. Drive what you love, and love what you drive ! If you really love cars, you'll have a great experience.
Although not a fan of this platform I do have to admit that the follow shot from 7:20 till the end of the video does display probably the best exhaust note from any 4-cylinder. Gotta love the Boxer for that.
I wish I had a car like this myself. I haven't hand anything fun to drive in overa decade, and life kept knocking me down, even before the virus, and I just miss being behind the wheel of a light sports car. Feel like it'd be the most selfish go fund me I could do.
u can get these in the pre owned market for a very good price. And it being a toyota these babies last long as well. I am planning on getting one as soon as i get my stupid life in order
Did anyone forget that the 86 is made for drifting? 🚗
Don't forget tofu delivery. ;)
@@RedheadButNotReally eyy
Not very good for low speed drifting on stock tires but it slides out easy just doesn't have enough power at
No, it's made for cornering. They put thin wheels and hard compound tyres to allow it to powerslide and "drift" a bit to get it to appeal to the younger market better, i've seen proper track day setups of these cars standing toe-to-toe with much faster, more expensive cars easily. You know, until a straight, but that's not where the car lives.
@@andrewg4412 exactly why they put the boxer in it. To get the center of gravity low for cornering. Not for drifting.
I think I'm falling in love with the looks of this car.
Informative. Thank you for making such videos. I also enjoy the Car Debate podcast. For some reason the older episodes on the podcast disappeared. Please bring them back so I can continue to catch up. Thanks
i just sold my 13 frs and bought an 08 s2k. i'm very happy with my decision.
nice!
humble rc Good choice! They are both great cars!
Much better car, overall.
Better car IF you want a 2 seater with limited cargo space. IF you want a convertible. IF you want a 5-10 year older car. FRS is much more practical if you need trunk space/emergency seats and a hard top.
Don't forget IF you want to worry about blowing your diff every time you try and launch it. :)
Thanks for the video. All i hear is slow this car is slow. Never does anyone talk about the handling.
Thank you for recognizing that the point of the car is not to win drag races. I loved my BRZ. I always told people it wasn't fast, but it sure was quick.
I've had my 86 for about 2 years now. Not the fastest sure, but man driving this baby around curving roads is so much fun. Is super stable as well
The slogan for this thing should be "love at first curve". I had the fortune of driving one in anger on some local back roads and it was magical. It was a 2017 so I think they managed to tune out that dip. It was quick enough for me with a passenger and the A/C going. And my daily drivers are a 650cc motorcycle and a G37!
I still think they should punch the motor out to 2.5L as that is free power (no weight, no cost).... but aside from that it's pretty much perfect. I'm definitely going to look at one when the G's time is done.
future62 thats a cool idea but subaru would never do that. This car will die out at the end of its production life in 2022 with the NA 2.0. Sad thing really
It still has the dip (even check out the dash display on the limited BRZs to see a "live" graph of torque and RPM), but the gearing ratio was changed. Feels great.
future62 I own a '17 86. The dip is still there, but as others have said the revised gear ratios and final drive have made the effect less prone. That being said, I'd still love a bit more torque, but a header and tune can fix that. I think the power is fine, but that little bit of extra "punch" is something that I think will transform the car, at least.
for what I use it for.
Yea I was surprised; the power really wasn't bad. With bolt ons it would be enough for me. And it was actually livable on the highway. Definitely better than my Civic or 350Z were.
I've been hearing a lot of 86 owners (quite a few come into my work) say that 300 - 350HP is the sweet spot for daily driving with the occasional trip through twisty back roads. Any more than that and you may as well go all out and only use it for the track.
Car noises and rattles can easily fix with a exhaust upgrade or the stereo upgrade.
at the time when i bought mine, i had only about a year of driving experience and a month into owning my FRS, took it to the canyons and fort my first time, I felt so comfortable and confident in my driving because of how great the car steers. After getting BC coils, good rims and tires, its even better
There was a recall on the fuel pump for that issue, you can have it replaced for free. I had it done, and it solved the issue. Highly recommend it.
hahahah those ac knobs are from toyota yaris 2009
....so what?
That's a good thing, if they break you can pull one off a yaris
it's cheap Reliable. Comes with manual option , Fun to drive.
also has 4 seats! what's not to like about this car TBH?
got a turbo kit on my brz, and now it checks all of the boxes of what people want in this car. great handling, and now has about 320 wheel hp reliably for 10s of thousands of miles so nobody can call it slow. I think this is a great car.
I have 162k miles on my 2013 six speed manual. I drive from south central KY to Louisville to work every day. Over half of it is on well maintained twisties. There are really no cops out here but you have to watch out for deer. The result is that I did my first brake job at 142k miles and there was still pad left. And I've been through 8 sets of tires.
It's like racing to work every day. With the factory tires I did a lot of drifting, but most of my tires were Michelin PSS's so it was pretty much on rails. The G forces actually make me nauseous sometimes. It is the best bang for the buck sports car on the market, IMO. Other than tires, I've kept everything stock.
I don't think of it as slow at all. I needed performance and decent gas mileage, and I won't touch a turbo. I consider it the perfect mix of power and economy. YMMV.
BTW, regarding the interior, I LIKED it because it is retro. It kinda reminds me of back in the early 70's, driving my Opel GT. Except this car is a LOT better. BTW, I have no rattles or noise, but the interior is not quiet. The back right rattle is the spare tire tools under the floor mat.
The one thing my car did that ticked me off is that I used to get at least 75 miles of driving after the "low fuel" light came on. Then one week I ran out of gas TWICE at 35-40 miles. Turns out it has two tanks and it seems a lower hose between them is clogged.
worst is all these boy racers wanting to race these cars. who cares. it wasn't designed for straight line speed. I am reffering about other cars wanting to race me in my na frs at every light. never had challenges with the turbo thank God cause it's annoying af
I feel like i am still going to accelerate my 86 (2 weeks togo) off lights like a bat out of hell, most people around me go real slow off stoplights, even in a lousy sentra I am faster off the line and to what ever the speed limit is as quick as feasible. Fuel economy who gives a damn when i just put a smile on my face.
Yup. I beat a FRS once with my Impala lol, morons. Same applies with idiots with sc300/400s, those things are a boat.
Jimmy Peña I'm referring to other cars wanting to race stock 86s. i never had douches trying ti race me when i spooled the turbo. sorry you had that incident. not all 86 owners are like that, just young ones
F C that's my experience. I still had dealer plates on my 86 and everyone and their mother would pull up trying to race. Tesla Model S--all sorts.
The thing is... If ppl think the car is so slow, why are they always trying to get us to race them?
Not only that I've had a few ppl see me having fun on my own in the twisties and try to do the ricer fly by and they can't always keep up even in these Z cars everyone praises so highly. The car keeps momentum very well.
Inkawgneegrow it's because a lot of people who own these cars (at least where I live) like to show off in them and rice them out, they also will do the typical Honda "rev my engine really loud and skirt off type stuff." I drive an old 1986 z31 and the same thing happens to me where people try to race me, most of the time it's either a Honda Civic with the front bumper ziptied on, or an 86 variant, the 86 is a nice car but the people who drive them (at least where I live) have such huge egos and the amount of cosmetics on their car is not even funny.
Wich Tyres are you using?
Damn, you're a great reviewer. Thanks. I am considering buying a '17 model with 8,000 miles.
I love this review.
15k for a 13 frs with 65k miles is stupid.
Thatdudeinorange you're stupid
It's actually a pretty fair market price. Not the best deal but definitely not the worst.
Do you mind if I ask why you're selling? I know you love the car but are you looking for something else with more comfort/power? Or do you not plan on replacing it any time soon? I'm going to miss your updates on this car!
He wants to get a lotus elise, he brought it up in the podcast. From the sounds of it he just wants a faster version of this which appears the elise would be.
Any reason he didn't want to turbo bringing it to 270bhp? Then it would certainly be a faster version of what it is.
isn't the interior of the elise even worse?
If so, then that's kind of a nonsense argument since he complains about the interior of the 86 here.
Made In Machines not that reliable. I miss my turbo 😢
spike021 A bone stock Elise would destroy an a heavily modded 86 on track, an Elise does 1 thing and that is being a really fun weekend car. The 86 is designed to be a daily car, most people who own an 86 will definitely daily it. It just happens to have an interior that is trailing it's rivals so his opinion is still valid. On top of that, he and paul has mentioned the Elise is awful to drive on the highway but it decimates almost every other car in terms of driving fun.
Good video... I'm still loving my 2013 FR-S (only 31k miles) and though I will never beat anyone in a race, it is just fun as hell to drive. Except in snow or ice. But give me dry pavement and a winding road, and I'm a happy guy. The only problem I had was the original tail lights took on water and were replaced under warranty. The crickets don't bother me. Also, the power steering has failed a few times, which is scary, but it's pretty rare, usually just restarting the car will reset the problem, and for some reason only happens after a dramatic change in ambient temps. And yes, squeaks from the interior that come and go.
super review. nailed it. thanks so much.i was looking at that colour and holy crap does she look good on the road.
Huh the fiesta ST is like 6.9sec and the 86 is like 7.7 or 7.8.....
Expensive car to insure.
another great and honest review!
I had mine for 5 years now and I still in love it
Last year I did a road trip in it. Canmore - Calgary - Great Falls - Helena - Idaho Falls - Salt Lake City - Page - Las Vegas - Death Valley - San Simeon - Monte Rey - San Francisco - Oregon Coast - Seattle - Vancouver and back to Canmore.
A Dream trip in a dream car.
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Idc your comment too. KID