2017 Toyota GT86 (86, BRZ) Review - Autobahn and Hatch Comparisons - Everyday Driver Europe
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2017
- Our European correspondent, Thomas Hellmanzik, finally gets the chance to sample the 86 platform. He's wanted to drive it for so long he was concerned it would disappoint him. After two weeks of back roads and Autobahn he discussed the car in detail and talks with the guys at the end of our own Long-term series.
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It's a 90s car made in 2017. That's what it is. And it's fantastic
Great...then give it a 90s price tag.
It has, your wage just probably isn't adjusted to it.
90s Cars back then werent cheap either considering their new price when they came And take note of inflation.
lol my wages are just fine. My point is it's a ripoff for what you're actually getting. But hey, a fool and his money, etc..etc..
Mook aton its not, simplicity is reliability.
I came to see haw fast the window roll up.. I am not disappointed.
Just what I thought before scrolling down to see the comments. LOL
I bet your car doesnt beat this
they roll faster than the car drives
Those fast windows are for impressing whatever cop pulls you over
*Edit* Nevermind, the cop already got the minivan instead
@@MMArtinez8191 GAHHAHAHAH i was gonna comment the same thing bra ahhaahh
He kinda sounds like a german bill burr right?? yeah i know
I thought the same thing
hahahahah I was legit thinking the same thing
This car is gonna attract some LAY-DEES
I was gonna ask why hes Bostonian lmao
This guy sounds like he's simultaneously from Germany and New York City lol. Love this guy's energy.
My 86 is the best car I've driven in over 20 years.
It's buzzy, agile and just fantastic fun.
I'm saving up for one as my second car. Are there any issues you had I should be aware of
@@willmcc05 are you on Facebook?
If you join the UK owners group there is a buyer's guide on there.
@@mrb6094 yeah ok I'll look for it
Very fast windows...
Non sarcastically this is the level of detail i want someone to review the car i looking to buy.
Good shit Tom.
People don't get this car.
It's made to be fun within the speed limit.
Also as a blank canvas for tuners. Seems like a great platform to start with. Some of us car people love a project car where we can hunt down gains!
Conscious Robot still weak
@@dustinchen that might be true, but where it falls short I easy enough to remedy. That's what turbo and superchargers are for. It's a good looking car, and it can handle big power if one needs it. It's a tuner car.
There is very abundant aftermarket support for this car
Its ment to be fun and responsible! Great little car for someone that is not seeking approval of others.
Toyota: "Give the windows more Horsepower"
:o
😂 the window is faster than the car
Would this car be better with more power: Yes.
Would this get your driving license taken away: Also yes.
pSyk Would this Car really be the AE86’s successor with more power: No
Would I still loose mine with these 200hp: Yes.
@@pauldarreau5961 😂😂😂, hey but its harder to lose your life!
Is this car or any other new car better than my 216K miles 2005 Nissan Altima.....YES
Will it drift like it’s ae86 daddy? *YES*
I just bought one and this is by far the best review. You are one of the few that understood the philosophy behind this car. And to all the people writing a comment, but have never driven one; try one and then write a comment. The feeling the car can transmit to the driver is quite unique IMHO.
Agreed. The power didn’t bother me at all. I was staying at 3-4k and having a blast.
I was just rear ended by a semi truck in my 2016 FR-S, all I have is a sore neck and back. My heart is broken that my 86 triplet is hurt. It is my most favorite car I have ever had. I have had a few 400+ hp cars and none of them have been as great as this platform. The only other car that I have had that I like as much are my old RX-8's. I love the 86.
This guys accent makes me happy. I don't know what it is, but it's fantastic 😂
It’s like German meets New Yorker
“Yo...what you lookin at Hans?!”
Bill Burr's brother.
@@sidzsotight oh my God exactly
Long story short (for the comments) - those who want more power in the 86, don't actually understand the 86. You think you want an 86 with more power, but what you really want is a Mustang.
It's not about Power brother it's about chassis..
Mustang chassis is shit
86 chassis is well balanced thanks to drift culture
Takumi will be proud
Those who want more power are just looking for trouble.
D. Feliciano also small dicks
@Top IOS S197 Mustang chassis is fine, it's just shod with a buckwagon suspension. If you spend the money (and it could be a lot of money) you can make it handle really well. Stuff like coil overs, watts link rear setup, delrin bushings, better wheels and tires....
I just bought a 2017 BRZ today. IMO.....they have enough power. Think about THIS.....you're driving a car that is quick (not fast), handles amazing, BUILT SOLID, and gets GOOD gas mileage. Can you reasonably ask for more?
What mileage do you get?
Midas Sandahl
Low 30's. Mid 30's if all highway
Thanks
Great car and fun at all times. When you discover new roads, the car comes alive. Enjoy!
and the best part its rear wheel drive !!!!
I love my Toyota 86 ... and I love this guy's commentary ... Hello from Atlanta GA USA!
I like that his camera angles inside the car actually show the interior of the car when his driving and talking and not just showing his face.
Owing this platform is such a blessing I can’t get enough of it every single day
Just traded my mk7r for a brz ts and its one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I’ve never had so much fun driving a car, my mk7r was a rocket but boring with no personality. The brz is like a go kart with plenty of pick up to leave you in awe by the handling once you get moving. I’ve never driven anything else like it.
I’m debating selling my Mk7 R for a 86 as it lacks involvement and i thought I would fall in love with it by I haven’t. No regrets then?
@@adamjones6084 If you don't mind sacrificing luxury/refinement and hp/torque for a drivers car experience you will have no regrets. These days though a used bmw m235 or m240 can be had for fairly cheap with supposedly just as much engagement and much more power/luxury.
@@FreshlyBaked13 yeah I like proper drivers cars that’s why I haven’t fallen for the golf as much, was looking at a 240i but I plan on track days etc so may be to nice of a car for that and brakes etc may be expensive
@@adamjones6084 get the frs particularly for track day use. The BMW will be much more expensive to run and maintain.
SUPERB REVIEW... someone give this man raise. He translated the feeling of this car to the viewer so well, this is legit auto journalism.
Gt86 derived from its predecessor, the legendary ae86.. the 'underpowered', naturally aspirated engines with FR layout.. only small no. of enthusiasts from jdm car culture esp. who grew in the 90's understand this car..
Azlan Amin I just wish this new 86 had pop up headlights.
Azlan Amin thank you
I wished they called it Sprinter Trueno instead of 86. :)
@@deeznutz4505 i wish they unbanned pop up headlights
ColdTiger77 they’re not banned. Look it up.
Great review, I’ve been driving my GT86 in Germany for over 5 years now - almost 90,000 km of pure delight.
Years ago I put over 300,000 km on my Supra criss-crossing America (including 4,000 km East to West in under 36 hours, alone, with rest breaks, in the 55 era). My GT86 can blast 500 km on the Autobahn in 2.5 hours using only 50 litres of fuel (at night) - my Supra could never have gone 300 miles averaging 120 mph using only 13 gallons of gas.
I enjoyed driving a GT86 on the F1 circuit in Zandvoort - not the same experience as the GT3’s that were also using the track - but a lot of fun to push the car on a classic race track (it was a challenge to get above 160 km/hour). It was even more fun with the lap timer and traction control turned off - the GT3 drivers were much faster but they couldn’t easily drift their cars around the track! (check out the Max Verstappen Zandvoort ua-cam.com/video/2M0inetghnk/v-deo.html )
It’s a daily driver that puts a smile on my face and also acquits itself well on the Autobahn and on the track - stable, fuel efficient, and fast enough for fun!
I don't mind the low power though, it's actually enough for city use and highway use. also you can still hoon it around the mountains as well. And you guys complained you want a turbo in this car? The car was meant to be a blank canvas for modification and a relatively cheap sportscar. putting a turbo in it, just made it more expensive.
HNRichard then they'd be bitching that it's $40,000 and costs too much
I always thought they should at least have a turbo version as an option. Like the wrx and sti..
exactly. Well yeah they should have an option for a turbo version. But people will complain that the turbo didn't produce more "power" like they wanted too.
overall, it's really hard to please everybody
$27k for a blank canvas is the biggest ripoff in the car industry. Buying it new, then spending enough on it to just make it worth driving, you're already at BMW money. No thanks
well, yeah it's a bit too much. But its still cheaper than in my country, I have to pay $60k for an automatic GT86 ($65k for the TRD kit). If you want the manual ones, you have a waiting list for 2-3 months in order to get the car that you wanted. Even then, most of the cars in stock are a fully optioned ones in white or red.
a 2nd hand GT86 or BRZ still costs about $48-55k lol ($80k for a modified, low mileage turbo car), it's still a long way to own that dream car of mine.
Tom is great, he always seems like he's having so much fun no matter what he's driving.. and he knows his stuff! Refreshing.
Fantastic review, one of the best out of all the hundreds (thousands, really) posted since 2012/13. Thank you.
These cars are definitely not slow, they just don't have that easy low-end torque people have grown accustomed to for daily driving situations. When you rev it out, it's there, and it's plenty to go down a great road at a good enough clip to make you giggle and raise your heart rate. I've caned a BRZ on some awesome backroads and it is a delight.
Mathew Clark I think its because many are likely coming from getting used to how smooth and predicable the power delivery is with Honda B/K series engine, heck even with the 1/2ZZ of the Celica's. I mean look at the Integra GSR and Civic Si's, S2000 all of them have no torque but yet have predictable, smoother powerband. Instead of the quirky, dip of the FA20.
Rain Santiago yea that dip really sucks, really makes you rev it out.
It's true, the dip sucks. The real fix for power on these cars seems to be headers + tune. Gives about 40 HP on the top-end and smooths out that torque dip. Sadly, such things have not been made CARB-legal yet so not legally available where I live...but I know a guy in WA who did it to his BRZ and he loves it.
Bryan R I think its the lack of linearity of the overall powerband of the boxer is the weakness.
the GT86 needed the beams blacktop.
Lots of people complain about this car having 200bhp.
Why?
I drive a car that, when it was new, produced 137bhp.
And its got so many miles and years on it now, I'm lucky it produces 115.
I have plenty of fun in my car, slow as it is.
An 86 would be amazing for me.
I like 2nd and 3rd gear pulls.
You're clearly not a car guy.
@@woe794 He likes cars, he's a car guy
It's called being responsible you can certainly have fun going in a straight line but it's quite impossible to not break speed limits or getting in trouble while having fun. while you can have fun in a better handling car without putting yourself at risk and without needing huge amounts of power.
These people dont care for having fun, they just want to be the fastest, its kind of sad they are just missing out.
@@woe794 you may find in the UK its so expensive to own anything over the 200bhp mark
First time watching EURO Everyday Driver. He did a great job. Raw, smooth, and to the point of everything. One of the more honest and real reviews I have seen.
Excellent video. You told us everything that we needed to know. The highs, the lows, everything! Danke!!
I own a 2014 BRZ, and a 2008 Porsche Cayman and I've spent quite a bit of time in both. I can easily say that for around town and cutting loose I enjoy the BRZ more. But that's LARGELY because drifting makes me giggle like a little kid. You gotta REALLY push the Cayman to break it loose. Speeds like that are gonna cost a lot if you screw up.
The Cayman just STICKS to the ground and whips around corners so fast that it's hard to let myself have faith it really will be ok. When you want to be FAST around the corner, it's the Cayman all the way.
When you want to slide around like a kid and giggle... it's the BRZ.
Edwin the Magic Engineer Have you put better tires on your BRZ yet? I only ask because the two are mentioned together often. Plus a Cayman is the next step up for every 86 owner.lol
Nope, stock tires still on my BRZ. I honestly like the amount of traction I get with the stock tires. It sticks when I'm driving normal, but when I want to break loose it's pretty easy.
Less traction is definitely easier on the drive train at the times I'm driving like a 16 year old idiot and sliding around. If I got better tires I would just have to put that much more power down to break loose. Since I never slide or spin out when I don't want to... I really don't see the point of a tire upgrade.
Now... having said that...
If I was on a track trying to lay down lap times... TOTALLY different story. Better tires would be a must. But that's not what I love about my BRZ. I like the traction just where it's at.
Really brilliant review, everything you said is spot on. Love my '13 BRZ.
This might be the best car review, EVER
So in depth and just really smells me on what works and what doesn't
I want an 86
This is one of the best reviews ive ever seen. I m really thinking about it.
Grüße aus Österreich
The only review I've heard that actually likes all the cheap interior features
Strait Pipes liked it for the aesthetic. Others have said it looks retro, or 80s inspired. It's not leather clad everywhere, but it's not bad. Think about the price point these sit at before knocking it too much.
i love this car.
people who say X car is faster.
isn't a true car enthusiast
Or they have money to buy a faster better handling car
@@UnderWarranty it still doesn't matter, there is plenty of people that have faster cars and enjoy the 86 a lot!
Corn Pop that’s an old Horsepower argument cause all I have to say next is oh I’ll just make more power now I beat you too now that argument goes on and on and on
I know but it drives me crazy
@@UnderWarranty Lmao to get a better handling car stock you need to spend over 50k (new). And even then with the 86 just slap on new tires and it competes with some supercars in terms of handling... You're obviously a little kid that doesn't own a car nor has ever driven one. It isn't all about speed...
I like your choice in shots, and I really like your review style a lot. You seem to cover the entire car a little more than Todd and Paul as those guys are focused purely on the driving experience.
Oh I like the feature at the end too where you guys talk about it. Good stuff.
Another great video Tom, loving your reviews! Camera work is spot on too.
Lol the dude is from Bronx, germany 😂😂
My BRZ 2017, has the Brembo brakes, Sachs shock system, and 0.5 inch more wheel width. I think that solves your issues of the nose dipping (it does with mine), and it clearly stops the brakes heating up. I never had them hot no matter what I do. Grip like a beast for 4 hours of hard driving on mountains etc.
The music makes it so much more epic. Awesome man. Love it.
Another great video, Tom. Love your work.
Thank you for your review. I've had my 86 (FRS) since Aug. 2012 and have enjoyed every moment in my still stock car. Picked her up on a Friday and the 1000 mile break-in oil change (my choice) happened on the following Tuesday. The addition of TRD break pads and Michelin PSS have made her almost perfect. Driving the Tail of the Dragon (US 129 in TN) was phenomenal and back on the bucket list. As far as blind spots go, have you looked over you left shoulder? The driver's shoulder harness runs right threw what some might call a window in the back seat (my only complaint). Angle your mirrors so that you do not see the car and set the passenger seat so the headrest looks like the B pillar, blind spots aren't too bad. All in all, this car is more fun than my three motorcycles. Also, she has run on the road course at BIR almost every year.
Love this car!
This guy knows his s**t and made a great looking, well edited piece. Well done, glad I subbed 😎👍🏻
Love the channel. Todd & Paul, you guys ROCK!!!
LOL everyone talking about how the 86 is SLOW never drove a light weight car on a canyon road or a track. Considering the base model is 26k its hard to expect any more power, these cars are not made for straight line speed its made to be fast on twisty mountain roads. If its like over 30k i would understand the need for more power but at its price point it has a good amount of power. If you cant understand physics and why a lighter car is a better handling car than i dont even know what to say anymore.
These people don't really know the joy of the curves man! I didn't as well but im out of the dark now!
I'm stuck in metro detroit these days, and living it. I have a long commute with only 3 decent turns, a roundabout and an entrance and exit to a freeway.
The US is full of people who don't understand sports cars, have nowhere to drive them, and will never understand the raw joy of canyon carving because they think chest thumping egotistical nonsense about raw power in a straight line is all there is.
This is about as bad of a place as exists to like sports cars, in spite of being the motor city.
Funny he said "fast windows". Was driving a ST yesterday & one thing I noticed "damn these windows are slow". Lol.
This is a very honest and solid review. There's no news, but it is thoroughly informative.
Jason Grady why does mine say that this comment was 2 hours ago but the video was uploaded 10 minutes ago?
Rodolfo Aguila private mode maybe
This is one of the most accurate reviews of this car I've seen. Nice job. I own a 2013 BRZ and I agree with every point you make about the car. The one thing I'd mention for enthusiasts is that you can transform the car with a set of HSD MONO block coil overs ($1100 CDN) plus a set of 18 X 9 (42 mm offset) rims with 255/35/ZR18 summer performance tires(mine are Nankang NS 2R). I paid around $1700 for a set of 4 wheels and tires. They fit perfect, no rubbing, turn in is now crisp, no more understeer. Car is now perfectly balanced and the stance it's much improved. Looks super now. Wheel wells nicely filled without it looking at all "boy racer".
I have Michelin pilot super sports on my brz. they are 235's all the way around and i have to same it makes such a huge difference and it is for the better. whether you are on a track or on a canyon road the tires allow for so much more speed through the corners and your friends with porsches will wonder how much work you've done and will be shocked when you say you have only put new tires on it.
I like this dude.
Awesome review, this guy had some great insight. The burger analogy was pretty funny, and true! He seems like he really understands the car even though he just drove it for the first time. It's refreshing to hear his perspective on the car's power too. If most actually knew the R&D that went into this car they would know it was meant for the low center of gravity and everyday people, and was built to be modified if one chooses. But stock it's still a great sports car, and it's great seeing the reviewer have fun.
the only relevant review I saw about this particular car. thank you!
I think about 200HP is optimal for the road. It's enough so that you can't call the car "slow", but not so much that you're constantly in danger of losing your licence.
We've become obsessed with 300HP+ cars, but if you don't take them on a track, and you don't have a convenient deregulated autobahn near you, to what end?
The Miata has even less power... What 150ish HP? I don't really hear people complain about that...
SirLoinOfsteak85 The thing is once to get it up to speed you can drive it full out because it handles so well. Some cars are faster but they handle like crap. This car handles amazingly.
I drive mine on track and it's superb. No problem with overheating but I did have to upgrade my brake pads and fluid.
That guy is the real mvp. Keep up the good work! :)
I enjoyed this partnership with other you tubers. great video
The clutch pedal is completely adjustable. Free-play and over-center spring, all adjustable with linkage.
Been saying for years... 500ccs would solve all this thing's problems. But honestly, it's not that slow. I drove one with a friend and the A/C going, and it had pep. With bolt ons and a tune it's close to an S2000 /with more torque/ which is pretty effing quick.
That said I would say some cars require the right roads.... if the bulk of your driving is on boring straight roads this is the wrong car. If you regularly get onto twisties then this would be a lot more enjoyable. My commute regularly takes me down country back roads so it could possibly work for me.
Thanks for this excellent review! I ll get one this spring! 🙂
Interesting perspective... i have always liked these 'new' 86's. thanks for the video :D
If I had those beautiful , nearly empty roads, and so smooth and well graded, and if the urban and suburban roads weren't so crowded, and the speed limits weren't so low (with good reason) and the State Patrol so watchful, I might think my FRS needs more power, too.
But for the Seattle area roads I drive, it's perfect. Any more car would really be wasted, my wife absolutely loves it, and I can look forward to low per-mile cost and good mileage.
Mooser42001 The same situation where I live, but with my driving habits, going in a faster car might be a bit dangerous, lol.
State troopers going for that quota this month big time.
I go to work via highway and some pulls can be big fun.
Even with an estimated 110whp.
Take it to a track on your free time and you'll love it even more
Mooser42001 206 represent!!
Agreed. It's perfect for me DDing as a single person. Just enough space to be usable, small and parkable for city driving, fun for driving out in the mountains.
You should do a Cee'd GT review. Same price point as this... Its obviously not a GTi but the tech + performance for the money is the best available on the market.
Wow!!! I love your european correspondent!! He is the man!!
You’re awesome ! Great intel ... to the point . Honest
Great detailed and honest review! I own a 2017 BRZ Series.Yellow and love it. I just ignore all the haters and naysayers and all the screams for more power. My BRZ is a daily driver and every time I get behind the wheel, I can't stop but breaking a big smile. That's all that matters to me. The hell with the critics.
most complaint for this car are from america
And even then from egotistical clowns who both never drove one and have no canyons to casually drive.
You do such a great job.
Thank you
A very good review. Honest about its power and how to use what it has. I have a 2017 BRZ and love it. What I like is the feeling that you are going fast but when you check the speedo, you are not exceeding the limit. Great in Australia where the authorities use 'speed kills' as justification for heavy fines 3 days over the limit.
Owned a 2013. It was fun when the weather permitted the tune to be aggressive enough. Should have shipped with S2000 power.
I don't believe it NEEDS more power. It just needs better tuning getting rid of the torque dip. Adding more power would be nice but I find it quick enough for driving around town and on the freeway.
When I talk to BRZ/FRS/86 owners, the torque dip seems to be the biggest complaint.
I have to wonder: By what logic was the torque dip acceptable? Car buyers mostly have no idea about the difference between RWD and FWD handling or feel. People shopping at this price range (at least in the USA) are probably cross shopping cars like the Civic Si (2.4L) and Mazda 3 (2.5L).
Subaru makes a 2.5L engine. Even if the design was limited to a naturally aspirated engine, I'm baffled as to why they didn't put the 2.5L in the car.
@@danielcamacho1913 2.5 is rather ancient. Very inefficient too (fuel thirsty). The last hurrah of that EJ2.5 is in the current STI, where it only achieves low 20's mpg tops when you actually use the power. The WRX 2.0 turbo is much better.
The torque dip is most likely emissions regulation related. Think EPA tailpipe stuff, and sound "pollutions." Similar things are found on modern motorcycles where in order to meet regulations, there is deliberately heavy restrictions programmed into the bike at given RPMs. Thankfully motorcycle ECU are regularly reflashed in the aftermarket restoring full power.
The 86/BRZ can be tuned to totally remove the dip, with an exhaust header and an electronic flash through the OBDII. Pick up some general power overall, and eliminate the dip.
@@exothermal.sprocket From looking at a BRZ/FRS forum, it looks like the torque dip is partly a result of the boxer configuration. For example, the dyno graph of a Porsche Cayman shows a bit of a torque dip, but between the displacement, the variable geometry intake, and being a Porsche, it doesn't seem to bother the owners. Someone also posted dyno graphs showing that lots of direct injection engines have a torque dip.
But, if it can be programmed out it probably *does* have something to do with conservative or sketchy software from the factory.
@@danielcamacho1913 All automotive manufacturers are required to comply with strict emissions regulations. It's a lot easier to feel a dip on torque production on a light car, or a motorcycle. When you have a bigger engine, heavy flywheel, heavy car, it dampens out the "feel" of particular engine anomalies in the power curve.
first time to watch vid from this channel ... i'm liking this guy
My first and only experience was with a automatic FRS, belongs to the driving school I attended. It was so fun, the instructor let me hoon it with him. I love the way it handled being as light as it is.
This car always makes me wish toyota went back to yamaha to design them a vvtl-i head for a high rpm, fast revving 2.0 or 2.2 liter inline 4. A bigger displacement 2zz-ge in this car would have been amazing, having the last few thousand rpm's have a cam lift changeover would have gave this car more soul/character and stay true to the original ae86's legacy.
n0ti5 I think if the 86/BRZ had a Si/GTS type of power delivery people would've been forgiving even with low torque but that stupid torque dip is like really lame, while with the 2zz or K20's its smoother and pulls all the way to redline. Toyota needs to fix the way the power is delivered to this car.
The torque dip is an inherent flaw in all naturally aspirated flat engine configurations. The NA Porsche Boxter and Cayman have the same problem. The reason you don't hear the same level of complaints on the Porsches is the engine displacement is much bigger and therefore so is the output which masks the problem.
Don Derondon who told you that it's an inherent characteristic of a horizontally opposed engine? You should probably stop listening to them because they're handing you things out of their ass.
@ CalamityJ Rides, I don't know if its a "inherent characteristic" for n/a boxer engines but i did a quick search on a boxter dyno graphs and the 2.5rs graphs and they both had a dip around the mid range of the curves. They aren't as severe the brz/frs but they are there. I will look into more n/a boxer's later
n0ti5 a bigger displacement masks that torque dip and turbocharge as well, hence why you don't see the WRX/STI guys mention torque dip. A bigger displacement at 2.2 or even 2.5 even at lower redline will make it more bearable for DD.
Takumi is proud
Regardless of how many people hate on this car, or how another specific car is better for the money, there’s so much positivity left. This review and a few others point out how good of a drivers car it still is. I still want one and I own an ND.
Man I love those old-school red alarm clock LCD readouts. It's about time we got an 80's car revival.
I've kept up with a GTR on Thunderhill around the corners in my 2013 BRZ.
These cars are made for twisties/corners and the track. You honestly don't need much more. Would I WANT more? Sure, but I honestly don't need it. In fact, it feels AMAZING to keep up with faster cars with a slow car. Or maybe the guy was just a slow driver..
Kevin Liang the BRZ/FRS/86 are made for tracks not for drag racing. So that's where they can beat GTR
The car is made for Auto X .. in complete stock form with better tires It might barely beat a V6 mustang..
Good car no doubt, but putting a professional driver in both it won’t hang with really anything . It’s a different animal once the suspension and tire mods come though
GTR was warming up tires if you could keep up with it lol
The car was made like an AE86 slow but quick in the corners
Actually the BRZ handles just as well as the GTR tbh, it's a far lighter car which helps. You have to remember the GTR's design is quite old now too, it didn't even get an update until 2017. Suspension tech etc does move on.
The E46 M3 was quick when it came out as well, now BRZs do quicker lap times with much less power.
2016 FRS owner here
Yeah the car ain't got the gains some others have but I fucking love it
Alejandro Vega auto or manual?
I lap mine all the time and did so while it was in stock form... it’s an absolute pleasure, and with a bit of skill can even be impressive. Albeit an upgrade to wheels and tires is a must.
Great review mate!
2017 brz with performance package :)
+5HP for each fast windows!
Forces de Libération du Québec Vive le Quebec libre!! :)
I was interested in these when I first saw one a few years ago, liked the concept, small car with rear drive, then the MX5 ND came out. Game over. I've got 21k miles on my '16 Sport, love it, top down all the time Summer and Winter, even down to 15F in the snow.
A really nice and high quality video.
I freaking love my brz. Having a supercharger on it, doesn't hurt either ;)
Tell that to the folks in this shitty comment section that this car "needs" to have a Turbo or a Supercharged at stock or the people who SC or put a turbo in this car said it fucked up there engines...
It doesn't need it, but it really does make the car come alive. I have had nothing but good things to say about the Edelbrock Supercharger. I love it to death and really shows you what the car can do.
How many miles boosted
@@itsflippinnick Clutch upgrades? Engine cooling capacity increase? Oil cooler? Bigger brakes? I know the Edelbrock is reliable as there's racing series using them under racing conditions (beat the snot out of it) and no problems. Yet those cars are set up to deal with the increased heat and stress unlike a street version.
Would like Subaru to offer an STI version of the BRZ with a transplant powerplant from the WRX. Done.
What was the issue with the passenger side mirror causing a blind spot ?
That one caught me off guard too. I'll study that more closely when I drive to work tomorrow. Right now, I suspect its size and placement makes it blend in with the A-pillar too much such that you can miss seeing cars as you approach an intersection.
The 'blind spot' comment is @12:38 and is followed by an exterior shot of the mirror, not a driver's perspective view.
I've been driving the car for a while now and I don't see a blind spot myself but a shorter person certainly would. Note - I'm 5'10".
Newman had two hit singles: _Cars_ and _Short People_ . Coincidence ?
You could be on to something. LOL
I bought a GTS 86 in 2012 and really loved it. For the money it is excellent, great handling, driver position, and fixtures. After 5 years though they didn't listen to customers. They didn't address the low torque curve. Changing the extractors alone just about fixes it. I do miss my car but now have my eyes set on my MODEL 3, I have had on order for over 9 months. That said the GTS 86 is fantastic value for money and if you spend a little more money on mods it is a brilliant car. :}
Terrific review.
Brakes were not really the issue on track, but the oil temperature was. At least from my experience.
Time to invest in oil cooler? Or not that serious.
Not serious enough for my use, and not as bad as a 350/70Z. But for someone who tracks a lot, it's the second thing I would change (1st would be tires).
I'm SO glad this car doesn't come turbo'd from factory, otherwise everyone and their moms would own one. I like to keep my boosted BRZ a bit more exclusive & unique :)
JP get a Prius, it's as fast and is NA with your logic.... Unique
You're confused. Your statement doesn't make ANY sense. Read my comment again.
JP while that is nice, it does need to make Toyota and Subaru a profit. Hopefully it is selling enough.
JP hmm... probably gonna contact you in about 4 years when I get my own :)
JP yea it's kinda a sleeper for people that know how fast stock brz/frs are. For other people the car looks fast already lol.
Still one of my favorite reviews of this car! The 90s interior on the lower trim is even more wonderful and simple
Great rewiew.thanks
It's still too much car for most people to handle 😂
its slow as shit. I test drove this and decided to buy M235 instead!
Honestly right?😂😂
The people who say it's too slow is because they only go in straight lines xD
It appears to be too much car for my PASSENGERS to handle!
:D
@@MrTeslaX great car man, but do you really need that much power? It can get dangerous real fast, plus reliability!!!!
V E R Y F A S T W I N D O W S
Great review. Thx
I've gone full circle. Just bought a 2015 86.
My first car was a $500 1983 AE86 Sprinter. Australian Delivered. Always missed that car.
HELLO BILL BURR! XD
What led me to end up getting an S2000 over a GT86: it just didn't feel like the 86 had enough character. The S2000 is bursting with character out of the box. That said, if I absolutely needed a hard top or a (small) rear seat, I would have felt fine getting in an 86. Although today, I would go after one of the 6th-gen V6 Camaros...
yitznewton power delivery and gearbox honestly on Honda's they just nail the little details.
As a former BRZ owner and current AP1 owner, the F20C sounds far better than the FA20. But, the BRZ is a car I can have my family in. S2000, not so much. The S2k is a far better sports car, but the BRZ can be enjoyed in more situations.
All true.
Too bad the AP1/2 are getting too costly to buy. After I sold my FRS I ended up with the FG2 Si Coupe doesn't handle as good and fwd but the K20 and gearbox is simply magical.
Admittedly, it was a bit more costly, but I'm completely satisfied with the ND MX-5. It follows the same philosophy of the GT86 and brings heaps of character to the table. A comfy ride and pleasant interior's icing on the cake.
I put some race headers on mine. Stealth mod and almost factory. Hardly any extra noise but heaps of top end and torque dip gone. Bridgestone potenza tyres also transformed the car.
I own one of the Toyota 860's and I am happy that I started with a car that is already where I want it to be. Its a Great Off the shelf Track Car that you can daily.