Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2012
- We know it works on track, but is 200hp enough on the road? You can get a 370Z for similar money. Or a used Cayman S. If the GT 86 can do the business here, it has to be one of the great cars of 2012.
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I've lost count of how many times I've watched this. Harris is the best of his generation with work like this.
Stumbled upon this gem after seeing nearly every other modern GR86, 370Z, and family owns a 2006 Boxster S already. These comparisons never get old and little gems like this from 10 years ago really impact my thoughts especially on the 370Z today.
Can't emphasize enough
And I've watched it again today 😁
Agreed. I watch it a couple of times a year, then go drive the 86 😅
I think Clarkson said it the best, you can't measure the GT86 in numbers but you measure it in smiles.
Absolutely. To suggest big power is required in order for a car to "count" as a sports car is to suggest that the Mx5 isn't a sports car, which doesn't make sense at all if you consider that SCCA Spec Miata is the single largest class in motorsport today. It simply doesn't make sense. Like the car or not, it looks to me like the new 240x.
Hunter Thornquist Well, for Chris Harris the Miata is not a sports car, check out his review. i'm pissed because he loves the GT86 while shits on the Miata for being to slow etc...
Smiles fade when the emotion of new fades. This was a newer car in 2012 and now its just a slow old POS. The Z kills it in every way...
Mask Man The Z kills it in speed. Chassis, suspension, steering, balance, comfort, weight, pedal feel, fun. The 86 is still better in those areas.
No the Z doesn't kill it in every way. Did you not watch the video?
Best comparative review I've seen on this car. He truly understands the reasoning behind the existence of the 86/BRZ.
"370z vs 86 is like comparing a chainsaw to hedge clippers they both get the job done, but one will do it much faster, the other will do it slower but with more finesse." - some dude (or girl) on a 370z vs 86. I think they got it about right.
@Joseph C. yeah but how long is a piece of string when you start modifying things?
@Joseph C. as a 370Z owner, I would say no it won’t, frs has a more superior chassis. A set of coilovers can improve the shortcomings of the z but the chassis is still a bit heavy and it just doesn’t do it that well on the track. Also, 370Z lack of a proper differential from factory.
@Joseph C. I agree, frs is too slow on street but fun on track. 370Z is fast on street but need some proper mods to address the shortcomings of the car. I would say 370Z at least needs suspension mods, a proper differential and an oil cooler to be excel on the track
Misses the point of the review, you can then upgrade the GT86 suspension and.....
I’ve probably watched this video 4 times in the last 8 years. A classic, and it goes beyond the subject of these 3 cars.
"The World needs cheap rear-wheel drive cars!!! "Thumbs up!
My previous cars mostly had over 400hp. Over 500hp in some cars. I've owned MKIV Supra Turbo with T-78 turbo, Evo 8 with 2.3 stroker, GT35R, and meth injection, STi with GT30R, 350Z with built block and APS TT, IS300 with GTE swap, FD RX-7 with LS6 swap, etc... Damn, I can't even remember all of the cars. All cars were highly modified thoroughly(engine, suspension, hardened mounts and bushings galore, etc.).
Then I drove a GT86... and I'm hooked so much that I am buying one!! Yes, the power is low. In fact, it's been a while since I drove a car with an usable first gear. Hahaha. But the driving position, the feedback you get, and the way the car responds to your inputs... all together create an amazing driving experience.
I was one of those who kept criticizing 86 for the lack of power continuously since its debut. I hated Toyota/Subaru for not producing a TRD/STi version of this car as I thought I needed 300HP at the very least. But after one drive, I get it. This car is all about the driving experience. It is never about posting the fastest lap times or winning drag races. If you want to compete with other cars, look elsewhere.
If I really feel the need to increase the power, there are plenty of aftermarket options available. I think adding a supercharger is a great way to add power to these cars as it keeps the throttle response unlike turbos. Even if I wanted to add more power, I do not think I would want anything more than 300HP, as I do think that too much power will actually ruin the experience.
If you haven't driven one, go try it. Although you might not feel that this is not the right car for you, I guarantee that you will enjoy the experience if you are a true car enthusiast.
SolitudeMG Thanks mate, this is exactly what I needed to hear. Its back on my 'serious contenders' list.
rollintroll You're welcome. I actually bought a BRZ two weeks ago and I'm am enjoying it very much. It really is great fun to drive. Yes, it is not fast by any means but it feels like the car really talks to me and that it is I who is doing all the work, not the car. Plus, the stock tires have little grip so it's really easy to slide it around, which is also good fun. I'm eventually planning to add a SC but at the moment, I am really enjoying the car as it came from the factory.
SolitudeMG I see the point of a gt86/brz but I think people are just pretending the ae86 is back. Personally I would go for the 370z and then if I feel like it go for a suspension, spring, brakes, tyres ecc rather than putting my hands on the engine. It s good to have a good driving experience but in my opinion for 30.000€ it's too expensive.
Carlo Gigante I've never driven a 370Z but owned a 350Z with Nismo suspension, Stoptech BBK, APS TT, and built engine. Yes, it's faster in a straight line and has a nicer interior, but it also does not have the steering feel and balance of 86/BRZ. Make no mistake. 86/BRZ is slow in a straight line. There is no denying that.
However, well balanced chassis and great feedback is not something that can be had by adding modifications. Yes, it can be done. But it is difficult and you might still never be able to get good feedback from the car about what it is doing. Lastly, 370Z is far heavier than 86/BRZ. By the time you make 370Z as light as 86/BRZ, it will no longer have the nicer interior than 86/BRZ, if it is even possible to lose that much weight and still be driven on the streets.
I know it is really hard to ignore the "200HP" as family sedans these days have far more than that. Hell, my daily driver is more than 1 full second faster than my BRZ to 100kph. However, adding power is the easiest part of modifying a car. Setting up a balanced chassis? It is hard. Making the car give good driver feedback? Nearly impossible with a car that did not come like that from the factory.
It took me 3 years to overlook the power figures and give this car a chance. Once I did, I fell in love in an instance. I drove cars that had more than 400 to the wheels in the past, and I still got hooked on 86/BRZ. Try it. Like I have mentioned, it might not be the right car for you, but I guarantee you that you will enjoy the test drive if you truly are a motoring enthusiast.
Carlo Gigante but that engine is gruff and not very pleasing in its characteristics. No money can change its design
A classic Chris Harris video, no over produced cinematography or shenanigans. Just straight up driving the cars and telling us what we need to know! 👍
I have own three of them the pass. The 370z is fast but heavy when cornering. The 86/frs/brz slow but fast when cornering. The Cayman S fast straight and cornering but it double the price.
Btw I sold them so I could buy a GTR Nismo in Forza Motorsport 7.
HAHAHHAHAHHA priceless! 🤣
I have a 370Z sport coupe with Hotchkis sways and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires and the car handles its weight very well around corners. I can generate more than 1 g in lateral and longitudinal acceleration and still maintain good control.
Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half
I like the Nissan
I guess as an Initial D fan, I completely get the idea of the 86.
Same
The fact that this is takumi's future car
Chris did a great job summarizing the chassis balance and the way the rear end moves around.
You'll always end up chasing a bit of wiggle in corners because it's so damn fun.
I love both the 86 and the 370z. Both are great cars created for different segments. If a person chooses an 86, it is because he/she falls into the segment the 86 was designed for. Likewise, if you prefer the 370z, then you are in the segment the 370z was designed for. It is really that simple. Enjoy the car for what it was designed for. If every car can be lined up and a single best car chosen, we will end up with 1 model, much like the Model T. God forbid that.
Toyota must have done something right to have all these people hating on the car they designed. Why do you guys come on here to hate for?
It's a shame you have haters like the ones in the comment section. True car enthusiasts appreciate every car and understand every car serves a purpose. Every car's essence precedes its existence for that very reason. It's a shame some people are narrow-minded and can't understand what Toyota was trying to accomplish with this car. And it's a shame you can't appreciate it either.
I don't go around hating on cars I don't like. I understand, however, that they serve a purpose. Speed is not everything. Why can't some people understand that?
Cheers, everyone.
I don't know anyone who hates the GT86 / BRZ / FR-S. It is awesome that a company produced a front mid-engine rear wheel drive car in that price range. I would take a 370z over it personally, but I'm not on a budget and I don't like drifting.
I think it's a good car with an identity crisis. It just felt too hard to be a DD for me and it seems too slow to be a good dedicated track car. It just doesn't fit anywhere for me in the spectrum of cars.
Hairless Cars It's a car you have, next to your supra mk3.
Juan Cuara Well said sir, I dont understand why fellow driving enthusiasts, like to say bad things about peoples personal cars, just because its not there particular taste. Ive always put myself in there shoes, every car guy loves their car and believe its special, so who am I to say its not!!
+Juan Cuara You, my friend, are some bizarre, existential, brilliance. Well said. "every car's essensce precedes its existence." The makers of those early autos are rolling in there graves in a macabre dance of the day of the dead at that jest. Well said, well said. Cheers to you, sir.
There is not nearly enough posts from people like yourself who have something to say. So often I feel like I'm alone in this world filled with petty bickering.
-future cannonballrun record holder.
I’ve had a Cayman for 8 years and an GT86 for 9 months. The Caymans’ never gone wrong and has always been brilliant but pretty its much perfect as is. The GT86 is a total blast and is cheap to modify which kinda makes it more rewarding to own.
Who is here after Chris dropped his review of the GR86 on February 4, 2024?
I’ve watched this video hundreds of times through the years and seeing Harris in 2024 still gives me chills. Keep driving, keep shifting friends.
A 2006 used cayman S in Australia costs 2X as much as a GT86.
metcard That it does. plus hugemongous servicing costs.
metcard Yep, this is why I bought an 86! (well, I've moved onto my second now [in GTS spec])
***** thats the best choice. congrats ( from a porsche-fanboy) ! The costs to maintain a porsche are way too much. If you wanna keep it nice and clean and get alle the Porsche Services you are gonna bleed. Question: Is the GT86 really THAT underpowered as everybody is whining ? i can't believe that
Popo popopopo , nah mate. They're not underpowered. Sure, an extra 50kw would be great, but they're fine the way they are. If you keep it above 5000 RPM they're quick, and due to their excellent handling, you can maintain a lot of speed in the corners. Great cars!
+Mitchell Denham i agree not underpowered at all, i find my BRZ very torquey at lower rpms too, i have lost many sportscars in my rear view mirror up hills.
Chris Harris is breaking into a new way to compare cars. He delivers wanted and needed information to consumers and discusses the cars qualities on an sublime level.
The BRZ/FRS/gt86 is amazing. I freaking love it. Mine modified a bit and it's sooooooo much better than stock. You can't buy this car without adding headers and a tune. I've always thought it's fast enough, but besides that it just feels so fkn good when you're driving.
If you hate on it over speed, seriously, you're stupid. It gets stupid quick with some mods, and if you add a turbo (or fi), well, you can't complain about speed anymore.
I've had mine for over 2 years. I work from home so no work miles. I have about 48k miles in 2 years and 19 days give or take a day......I spend my lunch breaks to go get a coffee then take the back roads home. That's how fun this car is.
Oh and if you like or love attention...buy this car, out some 18s and coil overs on and get rdy to be sued for broken necks lol
man you impress me every time. i love your reviews & tests, honest point of views excellent driving skills, think outside the box. whenever i'm looking for a review first thing i type is "Chris Harris", thumbs Up keep them coming !
This is my favorite Chris Harris video of all time. Still watching it after like 10 years
awww you described it so nicely! i miss that feeling in my old '85 toyota corolla gts. I've been looking at the new toyota, and thank you for focusing on how enjoyable it is to drive!
I really, really wanted a 370Z, I wanted to love it but after driving one I can't do it. They're a great car for people after that thing but it was more a GT than I expected. I sold my MX-5 NB and got an 86 and so far it's great. My Dad bought a Cayman GT4 and it's a phenomenal car, wonderful to drive on road and track - but it's in another league when it comes to running costs. I don't need P-Zeros or worry about scraping carbon fibre with the 86. Sure it's not perfect but it's a great little thing.
The GT86 is one of the most epic cars ever made, is new... but with the fun of the 80´s
Five year Toyota warranty!!! Toyota must love you Brits. Its three years in Canada. Not that the GT86 is even available here.
Robert Drake I have the subaru brz and it comes with a 6 year warranty
3 years in Australia also :(
Bought a BRZ yesterday, for $1000.00 extra, I got a 100K bumper to bumper (7 year) warranty. U.S.A.! lol ;)
Ben R worth it
Only downside is you have to deal with Toyota UK to take advantage of it..
This is why the 86 is brilliant. Larger tires don't always mean they're better for the car. I think recently the fascination of a wider wheel and tire has been more for aesthetic interest than actual tactical performance. The R&D at toyota and subaru have that car set up to put down a remarkable near- 1 lateral G on 215/45-17's while keeping that amount of drivability.
I’m in love with my cayman s. Head over heels. It’s the perfect 2 seater for the money. By a large margin imo.
I came back in 2021 and this is still great!
I like how this guy drives and review. he's intense and having a blast. reviews should always be fun. this is the best review of the little FRS.
thanks Chris. Thoughtful and well presented analysis. I am always trying to tell the Holden V8 aficianados (here in Australia) that everything doesn't depend on 0-100 time and huge power oversteer. Cars like the Toyota 86 and Mazda MX5 are wonderfully rewarding cars even with their modest power
I bought a red 86 this weekend, time to have some fun haha
moldyrefrigerator lucky you man! ;D
+moldyrefrigerator You posted this 2 months ago, how would you rate it now after driving it for a while ?
It's a blast. And really small, like small to the point where you can lose it in a parking lot because average cars just completely cover it. I don't think its underpowered, I mean yeah if you've coming from an STi you won't think its quick..but for me 200hp is the most hp car I've owned and this car is light as fuck so that works in it's favor more than a normal car with 200hp. The 0-60 is the same time as the Focus ST, which is also a really small car, and that weighs like 500lbs more and has a turbo so this car isn't that bad. It could use 30-50hp more and it'd be perfect. I've already got a ticket in it, 82 mph in a 55mph, getting the red version didnt help..But the driving is great, I can't get enough I've already put 4,000 miles on it, and planning to take it to Virginia International Raceway next month to get this speeding out of my system lol. Also, it gets really good gas mileage even when you beat on it. I'm getting 28mpg and I haven't been babying it. I don't have a winter car either so its just the FRS 365. Should be fun in the snow! Hoping to change the tires and get an exhaust in the next couple months.
nice, thanks
+moldyrefrigerator That's the thing! I love mine but i just need A LITTLE more. I already have a catback and i plan on going with some headers and a tune and i should be good to go. Plan on doing a little sound deadening and an upgraded stereo and i should be set to go till i have kids!
Just love watching Chris Harris driving cars right on the edge, what a great driver and petrol head 👍
I have owned mine for 2 years. The experience that I have gone thru with this disoskw i always hear good compliments on this car always. :)
Chris Harris is an amazing host, great work, love hearing your reviews. I wonder why he didn't compare the FRS to the Honda S2000 as well. Amazing handling, RWD, light, affordable, great driver input...
I have an 86, and it is brilliant fun.
It'll do skids without trying. Yes it's not quick and the interior is a tad rattly but I don't care, I love it. I make any excuse to go drive it.
Hey mate, mind if I ask, do you think it can hold a second gear powerslide?! Say on a typical roundabout for eg.
@@UTubeSL yeah. Not that I'd know like..
@@mrb6094 haha nice 😄 I should have asked - is that even in the dry? Thanks for the reply!
@@UTubeSL I've seen people sliding them around fairly easily in the dry. I'm not one for doing that though, that's what rain is for.
@@mrb6094yeah guess tyre wear is more of an issue in the dry. Thank you gor the info - appreciate it!
I drive one of those as a Subaru BRZ ... and loved it since the first day.. nice looking .. cheap on gasoline.. fast enough and my god being with it on a highway is a delightful experience
Chris Harris' best video, ever! I tested a used Cayman and a new 86, and bought the 86 :D
Nuno Bandeira still have your 86? Looking at one...
love this video. ive owned an 86 for almost 2 years now and i love it. my next car? used cayman.
The 86 is an incredible car, I also enjoy owning one.
I had a 06 Boxster S before switching to a BRZ and I wouldn't go back. Don't bother with the Cayman, you already have the better car ;) You cant beat the practicality + fun factor of an 86.
aaah this is interesting treminaor! Eventually i will see the 86 so If i was to move on to another sports car which has more power than the 86 what would you recommend?
If you love the 86 enough you could always throw a supercharger in it, there's plenty of research and choices for that available online. But for choosing a better car it really depends on if you want 4 seats and cargo space like you have with the 86 if you're okay with a 2 seat golf club mobile like a boxster/cayman.
Also the reliablity of an 86 vs other sports cars is nearly unbeatable. You have to buy old to get an affordable luxury sports car and by that time they are high miles and out of pocket service. My 06 Boxster S only had 30k miles on it when I bought it and after 15k miles in a year I'd already spent around $3,000usd on repairs and maintenance. I sold it just recently for $25k and bought a 2016 BRZ off the lot for $27k.
Im not sure whos gonna see this on an 8 year old video, but if anybodys looking to get one of these cars as a daily driver whether new or used you also have to think of this. Youre not just paying for the car, you still have to pay for insurance, fuel and other maintenance items. For insurance in toronto i was quoted $3400 a year for a 2014 frs, for a 2014 370z i was quoted $4375 a year because nissan Z cars are considered high risk vehicles, and on a 2014 cayman i was surprisingly quoted $3100 a year. But parts are more expensive on the porsche than the toyota or nissan and fuel economy is important on a daily driver, and the frs has the best fuel economy out of all 3, and it has the most storage space. so in my opinion the frs would be the best daily driver. plus youll get in less trouble with it too
I'm in Alberta and I have a FRS for 6 year now. I have a insurante and I paid 1100 dollars for the FRS and a Honda CRV (The FRS is a full cover)
I don't know if depends of the province, drive history or age of the driver.
This is such an insightful review. Thanks Chris and the team.
Great video, from what I understand the GT86 is really keeping the 86 name alive
Id like to see the next z to be more like the 300zx and id like to see a cheaper rwd coupe come back (silvia revive?)
Those comments that say Nissan Z is better than 987/981Cayman... It makes my brain bleed
i think you can make the Z handle like the cayman for less than giving the cayman 350+ hp
cars don't need to be mid engine to handle well at least thats my opinion
oh hell nah, U compare Z to Cayman? I own 06 Cayman S and it eats Zs like it was nothin. Like literally, 3 car lengths LOL
a z and a miata are like the same price lol
Better in that it is not a POS that breaks down weekly. All german euro trash cars are marketing wonders of the earth, they are crap and break down all the time...
I just bought an 86 after 3 years of hesitation. This car is a blast!!
You mention about the scored bores on the cayman, is this exclusive to the S, or is it endemic throughout all Porsche engines. I am considering a 2.7 mk1 cayman but sod a 10k rebuild.
Excellent, the two cars I've been considering and a great tester, it's got to be the 86.
Well balanced review. Just had a test drive in an 86 today, considered buying a used Cayman S a while back, never thought about the Nissan because it looks like a shoe. The thing about the 86 is that it is more fun, more of the time. In the Cayman you have to go 60-90 to make you smile. In the Toyota you need to approach a roundabout at 30. Throw in that new car smell with low running costs and it's got me. Can't wait to drive everywhere at 1000 smiles per hour
Had my GT86 for almost 2 months now, Evo Triangle was a lot of fun! Great video, thanks.
"get back to a place where we are enjoying performance because of its nature, and not because of its quantity" -Chris "swag daddy" Harris
Thanks Chris! Not sure how many times I watched this video but after scouring western Canada for a 2006ish Cayman vs an FRS (GT86 in Canada) I did one better and happened upon a used 2013 FRS with the TRD kit and a carbon hood parked on a dealer lot with only 13,000km. In Canada the TRD versions in 2015/2016 run up to $31K Canadian but if you do your homework you can find one like mine that is not even broken in with the balance of the warranty for @$20,000. Compared to 10 year old Caymans with 100,000km for $30-40,000 (even lovely mint ones have 50-60,000km) there was no better bargain than jumping into my FRS in early November, throwing on some Michelin Xice 3's and some weight in the trunk and driving it all winter!! Why? Because if I had a lovely blue Cayman I would be like most Porsche owners and park it, too worried about my paint chips and windscreens that cost $1000's ... my buddy with a 911 4s (cabrio - no he's not a hair dresser) wishes he drove his car like I drive mine!!
I just love my gt86
This video made me respect Chris Harris. The guy knows a real driving car.
just watching the GT86/FRS makes me smile. It looks like so much fun.
I can't wait til I drive it.
I had a 370 z with intake and exhaust upgrades, volks with grippy tires, and stiffer sway bars and coilovers. For some reason my new stock BRZ tS is putting more smiles on my face 😁😁😁 than the Z. I just feel more alive driving it. Yes the BRZ doesn’t have the punch the Z has on the straights but I still think the BRZ is more fun to drive!
This is a better comparison. I don't think anyone buys a base Z unless they want to mod it. The NISMO is more fun stock, but it's a different price level too.
Price wise, the GT86 is more comparable to a Miata.
i test drove an frs a while back and nothing handled quite like it, truly an amazing car
Excellent enthusiasm as always - great review!
Love my 86 ❤️
Huss Ali same it's a great car
The Scion Fr-s is simply the best all around sports car there is...period! the amount of engineering that went in to making this car and what you get, is simply amazing -- this car will be a future classic and now especially after Scion brand is no longer -- the Scion Fr-s will now be even more sought after.
Don't feel insulted or anything about this, but if you want to talk about the best all round sports car, I'm assuming you are talking about specifications as you say it is well engineered. I feel that the Alfa Romeo 4C is an exemplary sports car that is clever, fast enough (in the same way The gt86 is) stylish and handles well. If you also factor in price, the GT86 is better, but other than price, the 4C is far better
You do know the 4c is way more right? So it can be all around because of the price. If the 86 was 20k more it would be faster and more refined.
great point -- :)
If the 4C had a manual gearbox, the ability to turn off the traction control, and a physical gauge cluster, it would have been at the top of my list for my 2nd car.
Quality review, kept me interested to the end, and a greaat balance between information and opinion.
I did a lot of reading before I bought my FR-s two months ago. I do a 122 mile round trip commute on kentucky back roads every day that are very much like the roads in this test, except smoother and more corn and Tobacco. The way he breaks loose on corners and little hills is exactly what I experience every single day. I've done' some amazing completely neutral drifts. I look, forward to driving to work every morning. No deer strikes yet...
A 16k Cayman will quickly become a 35-40k car if you want to keep it on the road....
@Elliot Rodger Don't get me wrong I love porsches but when i looked into buying one Boxer S (with the flat 6 engine) I quickly changed my mind. Endless problems down the road especially because they hardly are driven easy (lower end models even more). These are the type of cars one should buy new or almost new and look after them. No daydreaming ecc cuz your gonna end up with a time bomb.
@Elliot Rodger Good for you! I'd rather go for a gt86 test car or a new one at the right price since in italy the 370z has to pay a whopping €2000 a year in taxes (not including insurance ecc). Plus I'll be comforted by Toyota's 5 year warranty and mild depreciation. Good luck and have fun!
That’s so not true I hav a 987 Boxster a owner it for 6 months and yes there is a coolant leak with 3 pipes to be changed
That costed me 760£
Nth close to what u said
At $16,000 all it takes is one catastrophic engine failure and you're already at 30 grand. All it would take is an average of $3,000 a year for a few years to get to that 30 Grant. But shouldn't be hard to do in any high mileage German vehicle. Clutch replacement transmission issue.
370z is a awesome car hands down i own a 2013 sport it will hug the road and feels planted as well as i have no prob drifting with control
is that because your 100% is equal to Chris Harris' 80%... ?
i took a 370 z Nismo for a drive today (2019 version) and it was an incredible drive It reminded me of a track car like a 911 GT2 and sounded like a Viper. Great car
@Anton Zuykov i find the GT very underwhelming!
@@patrickmurphy5842 take one out to the canyons or drive a boosted one and you will change your mind. A supercharged 86 supposedly has a better power to weight ratio than a 911 turbo... or so i hear, I love my 86. It could definitely use alot more hp in a straight line though. I only really notice when I have passengers or I race someone in a straight line.
@@Dusijejdjjd the mx5 is more fun and enjoyable than the gt86
They are just what it says on the tin! You get it, when you drive one. A great platform to mod and tune to your hearts content!
I do love living in Wales, this place is just over the horizon from me!
You can always tell a US poster from their obsession with skidpan and 1/4 mile figures.
That's why no US cars will ever win in F1 or WRC ......
You mean like the Ford Fiesta? :P
@@nikoyochum6974 The Fiesta and Focus are "technically" German engineered if I'm not mistaken.
@@nikoyochum6974 + now only sell in europe/ for Europe. May sell to other places but not the us
I upgraded from a 1.2 clio to an 86. Fast enough for me 😂
Literally doing the exact same upgrade this month, hope you're still enjoying your 86!
This is the first time I have seen this video on February 10th 2024, I absolutely love the 86, and I have loved it for the past 10 years when I saw one in real life and instantly fell in love, it literally is the reason why I love cars, but Chris just put it together SO well. He completely understands motoring, cars, driving, the 86, the Z, the Cayman, wow man.
I don't know how I missed this masterpiece of a video for so long, but this perfectly reflects my view of the car world: The 86 and the Cayman are the best things out there.
what an absolutely brilliant review - great job.
I like the food comparison of the 370z as a big plate of ok tasting food whereas the FR-S is a small plate of very tasty food. I prefer a small plate of very tasty food.
+mrpmj00
Like a a Big Mac with fries and a plate of 5 pieces of great sushi
i like both
Kinda like the small plate of tasty food keeps you coming back for more and the big plate just fills you up and makes you content.
I'm a 🐖 I like lots of food, tasty or otherwise.
Yeah but fixing that Porsche vs fixing the Gt86...
Chris is just the best reviewer ever and all the others may as well go home now.
As for the video I swear I thought he was trying to review airplanes the way he spent so much time off the ground.Just fantastic
Ever since I watched this video a decade ago I really wanted an 86, finally after keep buying sedans like the manual is250 and the manual is300 finally pulled the trigger on a 2019 86 TRD and man it’s in a different class. The driving position to the steering feel to the suspension it’s just an amazing experience. Don’t really give a damn about the 0-60 cause I only enjoy to Cary speed through the corners on tight back roads!
put a supercharger, turbo exhaust, and an upgraded cooling system on a 2014 frs for 6 grand at most to make it the best budget sports car (you can get a barely used 2014 for 20 grand)
Supercharger with turbo exhaust???? My guy I can tell you know nothing about cars lmao.
@@miguelfragoso7023 I think he means sc/turbo, exhaust
Getting a 86 in 2 days !!
Yo give us an update!
I still watch old videos with nostalgia. My GT86 is 10 years old, and has no bore scoring ...
Chris is the tihs! He gives a great review EVERY time...
What does "wheezy above 5k RPM" mean? That's almost smack in the middle of the 370z's powerband, so I'm kind of confused here.
because he doesn't know what the hell is he's talking about
this is an extremely biased video towards the gt86
It's the peak of the Torque power actually. You could always ask these folks. www.reddit.com/r/370z/comments/9lch3m/powerbandtorquerange_questions_etc/
The torque curve of the VQ37VHR is nearly flat across the rev range from about 2K rpm to almost its redline at 7500 rpm. There is a slight peak at about 5200 - 5400 rpm but the engine's power is essentially linear over the whole rev range. The VVEL intake valve timing was designed to produce as flat a torque curve as possible and maximize the area under the torque curve. At high rpms the intake valves open fully and the throttle body opens fully and so you do hear a lot more intake noise, which is kind of cool because it sounds like the roar of an awakening beast. The fact that there are separate throttle bodies and fairly straight-run intake tracts for each of the two banks of cylinders may be a contributing factor for this intake noise. Nissan might have use a more twisted arrangement for the intake tracts to help diminish sound but that would have restricted airflow and reduced performance.
The 370z chris tests in this video does not have sport package! Get it with a sport pack and it adds a more taught suspension, bigger brakes, tires, and an LSD!
@PastIconoclast I only paid about $3K more for the 370Z sport coupe that I got and I thought it was well worth the price for what I got. It also has a nice aero package, upgraded Bose sound system and synchro rev match on the 6-speed manual transmission. The 370Z sport version is more narrowly focused as a pure driver's car, something that I specifically wanted.
The base and sport have the same suspension..... and the vlsd on the z is a joke....
Top marks mate, you really do bring the 21st century to car journalism.
I have watched a ton of BRZ, FRS, GT86 videos. This is one is at in the top 5 for sure. Great insight and a good comparison.
Great video.
I feel the GT86 is like a new-born version of the good old japanese fun cars from the 85-90s like a CRX or, more spot on an AE86 of course.
Cheap, Reliable, insurable and maintainable fun :D
You might buy the used Cayman but then the cost to insure, maintain etc... is definitely not the same.
It is except all the new sports cars come with
at least 300hp....
@@friskmall6327 straight line speed is for fast cars. Corners are for fast drivers.
The Porsche looks like the bargain there until you consider running costs of a 10 year old, 70k miles performance car... No thanks.
Personally, I also think that big HP figures on the public road is not really the way to go. Legally in most countries the most you'll ever be able to do is 70mph, and if your car can do that in 4ish seconds, where's the fun? These are not designed to be track cars...
I recently had to have my car repaired, and wringing the neck of the little 1.2 they gave me while I waited was a lot more fun than I remembered. It went nowhere fast, but put a massive grin on my face. A car that makes you work a bit for your performance is surely where the fun is on the road?
Out of these 3, the one I'm most excited about is hands down the GT86. I'd love to have one.
Ken R You wanna go!!!!!!!
michael CRACKA yep ill slap you so hard your lips will make it to the hospital before you.
lol, the nurse is like wtf?
Very fair, balanced and in depth review.
i have a quick question, i also own an frs as well. Are you getting a chirping noise from the engine? And is it normal? Also have you had any other issues so far. Thanks dude.
I am thinking that the Z being tested doesn't have the sport package with larger brakes and sport suspension and LSD.
Forget about the vlsd on the z, you need a proper one
"of more expertly crafted flavors" i am a Z owner and that hit me in my chest hard. (still a z lover)
A Z with 5k in suspension, brakes and tires will flip this test on its head. I have a G35, bought it for 6 grand, modded it and I love driving it like it’s free
@@nathanchildress5596 and a proper lsd for the z. Than you can put a turbo on the brz
I couldn't give a rats ass about other peoples opinion on the Z. I drive mine daily since new and have never regretted getting one.
Thank you love the Toyota 86 as well
Drove this car in Project Cars 2, best and most fun I have ever had online. The first minute of the video explains my feelings
I still would choose the zed. it's the car I choose with my heart
GT86 ftw
Really looking forward to Chris' review of the new BRZ/86
Maaan.. I love these old videos with Chris Harris. They where all a bit special :)
The GT86 is lots of fun with somewhat low power,
The 350Z is a lot less fun with a lot more power
The Cayman is 80% the fun of the GT86 and 80% the power of the 350Z, the best of both worlds.
but the cayman costs even 2nd hand little bit more than a fabric new gt86 and as well you get an 86 for 15k with not that much kilometers on the tachometer
I disagree with you on your 370Z review, but I do agree with your driving.
I would love to own an 86 but my country charges 150% for duties....so that means i am paying 2.5 times more to have a fun car...is it that worth it or should i just buy something cheap and throw on a turbo
I have been driving my 2016 FR-S a little over a year and I still love it. In fact, I love it more than when I bought it. It is still stock though.
I still don't care about his statements, i would still buy the fairlady 370Z my dream car
thats because you dont care about the feeling of driving. you care about the feeling of when your friends look at you in that car.
It's the feeling you actually get from the particular power from the ride man since Toyota 86 delivers 200 horsepower not my type still love the car though but my type and choice is the 370z !
I used to own a modded 370. It just feels heavy when turning. The way it steers is kinda sloppy compared to BRZ. My new BRZ is more fun stock. Not as punchy on the straights but I guess more power will ruin the perfect balance of the car. Toyota engineer explained it something like a triangle with equal lengths and angles
Brz or 370z? I want speed/power , but the brz looks more fun to drive
There's no doubt that the 370z will absolutely destroy the BRZ..both drag racing and in turning. But the Brz is so much cheaper than the 370z and imo it looks nicer. Interiors are both kind of blah..i kind of like the Z interior better. Mileage is extremely better on the BRZ. And for the final con for both cars: Both RWD.
If you're looking for power stay FAR away from the BRZ/FRS. 370Z will absolutely demolish the BRZ in a straight line and probably the track. Don't listen to bias reviews, you need to testy drive both. I did and i am very happy with the 370z.
Just turbo the BRZ if power is a problem. The Z has a number of flaws, the only one the BRZ has is power
Deal Withit what are the flaws of a Z. i know there are but i just want to know what the dealbreaker is between a Scion and a 370Z
age, weight, small interior, no rear seats (may or may not matter) cost (buying and maintenence), power/stability at high RPM, gearbox.
if you're looking for a cheap fun drivers car that's going to be reliable and a DD I would personally go BRZ/86 NA.
headers, exhaust, intake, flex fuel and custom tune to run around 190whp all day everyday.
coil overs, lightweight wider wheels & sticky tyres and race pads.
Thank for helping me decided my first çar
Another awesome review by Chris :)
I recently bought 2011 Z and disagree with a lot of the comments Chris makes here. To be honest the steering isn't the worlds best, but it's not bad either, particularly seeing though 9 out of 10 people will not push beyond this mythical "8/10ths" thing he keeps chirping on about, unless you track it which is a different story altogether. My last car was a Megane RS250 and that knows a fair few things about going round corners being the fastest FWD car round the ring, F1 tech in the suspension etc, and honestly, now I would rather have a car that looks amazing, makes a good noise that you can occasionally smoke someone at the lights in. The whole interior thing as well, that is down to choice and what you ask for/look for... Mine for example has leather and alcantara seats, stitched leather, Sat Nav/DVD player, the GT86 by comparison looks like came out of a cereal box.
Think my point is, yes the GT86 looks fun but why is it neccessary, on public roads to push so hard that the Z becomes not as good as the other 2!? I would happily have a used Cayman,great car, but being 5 years older than mine with 50K more miles for the same money... It's an easy choice. Bit of a biased, nonsense review if you ask me.