Naturehike MONGAR 2 - FIRST LOOK - Lightweight Budget Tent Review
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Well, you know that Trev loves a Naturehike tent - in fact as far as budget and lightweight tents go, Trev would even go so far as to say that Naturehike make the best backpacking and bike-packing tents there are. And Colin from Outdoor Gear Essentials knew this, and so contacted Trev to test out the Naturehike Mongar 2 20D batckpacking tent!
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I love my Mongar 2! Top tip for packing it when hiking though: pack the fly sheet and inner in the main bag and it'll compress right down to the size of a melon, then pack the poles and pegs separately in your bag - fills the holes in your pack better 😁
Great tip there Henry. Thanks very much.
I was thinking of it. Thanks for your insight Henry!
Hi
can you write to me what are the dimensions of the bag after inserting the tent without the aluminum frame and pegs - after maximum compression? Thanks:)
Hey Henry, I like the fact it has 2 doors but the fly sheet looks a bit short.. Have you found it to be draughty? 🤔
what height are you? is it still spacious when you lie down straight
Used this tent in Iceland on the laugavegur and fimmvörðuháls trails. Performed great!
And yes, middle pole goes over. Two reasons:it rests on the pole instead of pulling on the rubber. And it's a bit tighter.
The inner tie offs make this tent very sturdy in the wind. Tent is symmetrical, so inner and fly go either way.
The loops of the inner can be put under the loops of the mat so you can set it up more quickly
Good to know!! 👌I like the fact it has 2 doors but the fly sheet looks a bit short.. Have you found it to be draughty? 🤔
If you run the top cross pole under the frame instead of over then it lowers the sides and gives you less airflow but a bit more protection.
The twist-locking clips are absolutely genius: I have friends who use this tent for winter camping, and the twist-lock clips are one of the main reasons they opted for this model. The most common clips rely on the elasticity of the plastic to clip onto the pole (sort of hooks that can bend open so that the pole can snap in). The problem with that is that polymer elasticity drops dramatically with temperature. At -15 °C, those hooks are VERY brittle, forcing the pole into them can easily snap them. This design, however, does not require the plastic clip to retain its elasticity to function, there's no bending required.
Absolutely love my Star River 2. Very similar but with the asymmetric height ends "inspired by" the Big Agnes Copper Spur as opposed to the symmetric design of the Mongar "inspired by" the MSR hubba hubba. Mine has the clips for the fly corners on both the inner and the ground mat corner tapes. Which means that you can absolutely do fly first or inner first depending on the weather. The Mongar looks like the vestibules are slightly larger which wouldn't be a bad thing. There is also a Mongar in 210T darker green for those looking for a stealthier option. Keep the tent reviews coming !
Must say I did enjoy the old star River, except mine had snow skirt which really annoyed me during the night. I did find it colder for one person, so I imagine I may have the same issue here having more headroom and far more mesh.
Do you still own the Star River? And how good has it held up? I've got one and it's very nice but my groundsheet is way too big and doesn't clip in easily unfortunately. They also say it condensates a lot?
@@preciouscode98I do - gets the occasional use and remains a favourite. I now have a Southern Cross 1 for sole use which is obviously a big step up but tiny. I recently bought a WC Panacea 2 - which is very similar to the SR2 but with the poles outside the fly. Although vestibules are bigger its actually narrower in the sleeping area. (noticed by my Daughter in comparison on a recent camp). So for 2 the SR2 feels slightly bigger with a slightly smaller footprint. Footprint matt for mine has always felt a perfect fit and clips easily. - strange. The included footprint always feels such a bargain compared to the overpriced terra-nova/wild country add-ons.
I like to use the Faberware wide bag clips to hold open the flaps of both the fly and tent for much easier access, instead of the bullet / fabric loops. My dog and I have been sleeping in this going on 3 weeks.
Tenting would not have been possible for me without the Wilsney 4" air mattress, from Amazon! A hard 65 years have taken their toll. I had to give it up over 15 years ago due to back & shoulder pain. This is great!
I tried a few including the Klymit V2. That cost more than twice as much (didn't even make 4 hrs use) and a few expensive Thermo rest, plus a couple others.
Everything fits nicely together on this tent!
there's also a 15D version of this tent, after weighting - total, including ground mat - 1.88 kg. Love the tent
Great stuff! Lighter still.... can't go wrong.
i bought the 15D version as well … i haven’t tried it out yet so i’m happy to hear someone likes it … atb Dave Mc
I want it 😍
Where did you get it? Im struggling to find a listing of a mongar 2 15D
@@schlingelgen …. hi … yeh i found it on Aliexpress…. comes in a blue color and actually it’s 1.57kg … even better!! 👍👍
This has been a great tent camped in all weathers and summit camps and never let me down would highly recommend if your after a 3 season tent. Never used in winter so can't say how it would perform
Yea, looks sturdy as... and roomy too. Can't wait to get out and test it.
Same one I just got! I missed what you said half way through cos all I could focus on was the clip you missed on the inner tent.
🤣🤣🤣 I know... off putting during the editing too
Should be getting mine today. I'll be using it in the Pyrenees this summer with my girlfriend. With two people in an actual 2 man tent I went with the all mesh inner to increase ventilation and reduce condensation. Hopefully this works!
Another good video Trev. Cracking view made me chuckle.
Love the Mongar. He's sent me a roll mat to review. Comes out Thursday. 👍
Good old Colin. Looking forward to testing this one out on the hill.
@@SummitOrNothing I'm well jell. One day I'll get sent a tent. Although I got sent a chair and sleep mat to review this week..... getting there 😂👍
btw, worth mentioning, as it was shown only shortly here. its roomy enough inside so 2 adults can sit upright. very handy if its long rainy day :)
Yea, a lot of headroom in here.
Just got mine today- came with absolutely no instructions so I appreciate you doing this video on how to set up!
I got the polyester bcs I hate the colors of the 20D. It’s bigger & heavier than I expected but it’ll do for now and I got it on sale for $99USD.
I’m only just getting started in backpacking from day hiking so this is fine for me for now. It seems like a tough little tent that can handle decently strong wind & rain. I look forward to using it this autumn!
That's strange about the instructions, naturehike usually have them sown into the top of end of the stuff sack.
Anyway, yea, for £100 tent you can't go too far wrong. Enjoy!
Good tent, I’ve got one! Not the warmest but a very OTT sleeping bag and you’re fine. I prefer the grey colour, I’m not about the team extreme colours… I used 4 small carabiners to fix the ground mat and bottom of the tent together so I never have to faff with getting them together. Think I’ll get the porch extension at some point too. Space and head height is great along with the gear loft, super useful.
Edit - I should say, I came across the naturehike brand via Summit or Nothing quite some time ago so your channel is definitely doing something right! 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the review. It's a great tent and I just got mine yesterday. The color is pretty cool and it's very suitable for hot and humid country because any light color such as this light gray (almost white) color won't trap much heat in hot tropical camping sites here in South East Asia as opposed to darker colors. I'm enjoying every bit of your camping videos. Keep it up.
Your review was the reason I bought mine! Thank you!
Glad I could help!
Cracking view, Grommet!
🤣🤣
There's also two metal rings on the outer fly that hook onto the cross beam. If you open the fly door and look directly up you'll see them, just helps to center the tent relative to the frame. One thing I'll say is that the fly is under a LOT of tension when clipped onto the cross beam. Also, the end of the cross beam has a sharp ish edge to it that is pressed up against the outer fly which looks a bit sketchy. It would be much better to see a fabric pocket that the cross beam can slide into instead.
I went ahead and use some repair tape on the inside right at that point to give it better protection and strength.
Great review as always, I have had this ⛺️ now since March & love it👍🏼.Had several wildcamps in it & even took it on a 5 day Hadrian’s Wall hike 4 wks ago with no problems. As you say it’s very much a 3 Season Spring-Autumn tent due to the vents,mesh & I did use it in July with just the inner when it was a barmy 20 degree night in the Brecon Beacons. I am 6ft 2” and love it as a great 1 man ,spacious!cosy 2 man⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. Certainly value for money & pretty much a clone of the MSR Hubba Hubba yet a snip of the £££. I’m looking for a solid winter 🏕 preferably Nature Hike so any suggestions welcome.
3F UL ZhengTu 2 Tent comes in a 4 season version and looks identical to the cloud up! Did you find the Mongar draughty ? 🤔
Just ordered one from outdoor gear essentials off the back of watching this video. Great price and its already coming tomorrow!
Great service. Hope you enjoy it, Ric. Cheers!
Colin is a good man
Great review Trev. I wonder if they will be releasing other tents calling those Minger and Munter to go with the Mongar?
Yea, must admit the name doesn't really do anything for me 🤣🤣🤣
Ooooo first nature hike I’ve really fancied now…..as old and trusted Vango fan! Nice one Trev
No worries John. Thanks for watching.
Hi trev I've got a couple of tents that use the top cross pole you said was tricky to hold and walk around tent to get to other side . I've found if ur stood one side just connect the opposite side first easily then press it down ur side and clip in real easy from one side . Hope that helps mate
That does make a lot of sense, Pete. Thanks for the tip, will give it a try ouy o the hill. Cheers!
Good review- my favourite tent at the mo, been using it for 3 years now. Plenty of room, got the (bright) green one which has plenty of reflective tags so isn't one for stealth. No downsides so far...
Cheers Nathan. Must see if they do a darker green like my cloud up 2.
I appreciate you showing how to pack it up. I really struggled with that part haha
Cheers Trev. I will check out yet website to have a browse. I did Cox tor. Middle staple tor , great staple tor and roos tor in the mist . It was my first time I have bagged all these tors with you and Nathan's influence . It was a typical summit or nothing hike but I loved it . Take care buddy.
Nice packing her up,like this tent looks good.
My last go-to tent was the Cloud Up, compact and lightweight, good in all weathers, it just lacked on a porch cover for cooking and it could've done with a bit more headroom. The Mongar looks like a good solution for that. I'll forgive it the slightly iffy name!
Oh yeah the name seemed a bit weird to me from the beginning, I just couldn’t pinpoint the reason why… help me
@@krystur9060 😂 firstly it doesn't roll off the tongue, and secondly it sounds like monger, which is probably an offensive term now 😂
@@oscartravis5740 okay it must’ve been this 😂 too bad I already bought it lol
@@krystur9060 me too 😂😂
I’ve seen another video review of this tent where it shows that if you first set up the top central cross rod UNDERNEATH the main central arch you can the get the fly sheet/ outer tarp much closer to the ground and reduce air flow in the tent during cold weather.
Just bought a lanshan 2 pro from outdoor gear essentials great service and very quick postage
Great video as always trev. I'd like to see a comparison with the star river 2 15D or 20D.
Cracking view indeed...
Love the Naturehike gear! 👏
Me too
Was binging your reviews last night and bosh another one! Nice one mate
Haha... great stuff. Still more to come too.
Great review trev, love my mongar, can't wait for the dartmoor trial see how you find overnight stay in it, cheers neil
Me, too, Neil.... soon I hope. Cheers!
Looks like a good tent. Thanks Trev good film mate.
Doesn't that white surface all around you keep you awake when you're trying to sleep at night/morning? I like darker interiors like I like to blackout my room at night when trying to sleep, I think the white amplifies the little light outside that there is. Great for readers I guess, but ppl generally have torches/lamps!
Feel like I paid over the price on Amazon at £149... having said that it has more than proved it's worth. I've been out bike packing and wildcamping more or less every weekend since I bought it back in June and its been absolutely fab in every respect. For one person it is absolutely perfect and a big step up from the "coffin tent" I was using previously from OEX. Lots of adventures on my channel.
Love your videos Trev, hopefully see some new hiking trip ones soon 👍🏼
Yea have some time ck.ing up so hoping to get out, cheers Kevin!
Great review! Now we need the strong wind test :D
I have the 15D version, it's my favourite tent, I have the porch extension too and what a difference that makes!
As for the colour - I love it and it hasn't done MSR any harm has it lol.
Another stonker of a vid Trev, keep them coming!
Yea, you never gear people moan about the colour in the comments of an msr review, but naturehike reviews are full of them. I'd like to point people to my naturehike vs msr video to see how they each performed in the wind... ua-cam.com/video/PNbl1M-3xkw/v-deo.html
@@SummitOrNothing mate I frequently point people to that video!
If you ask me that's the most expensive label you could buy seeing as the Naturehike tents knock them all over the park and you have all that money left to actually take it somewhere :)
MSR - Mustbe Stupidly Rich :)
What’s the total weight of the 15D version?
Thank you for your review! Do you have a follow up video caping in it? I'm curious about whether the wind blows straight through the inside... @toni and dave101, I bought the extra vestibule (porch) as well. Have you used it in windy weather? I've thought about making a curtain of sorts and velcroing it inside.
Thanks! That set up was very helpful.
Great video! Thanks very much. First time tent owner and would have been nice to see how to install the last 4 stay ropes. I'll figure it out! Cheers from NZ. 😊👍🏼
I've just bought a Naturehike Cloud Wing 2 which I'm looking forward to trying whenever the weather is warm (probably have to wait till next year now as Summer seems to be over for this one).
Not seen a cloud wing, another tent to add to my list lol
Good review. I still love my Cloud Up 2 thanks to your recommendation , just did the South Downs Way in it and its mint.
Glad to hear it. I still love mine too.
My wild camping tent, finally reviewed by Summit or Nothing :) Looking forward to this.
Cracking little tent Matt. Looking forward to taking it out.
@@SummitOrNothing Cheers Trev. I've only been wild camping once and its been in that tent. I wouldn't have been wild camping at all if it wasn't for your great videos (and Paul Messners ones are good). I'm in Bristol so getting to Dartmoor is pretty straightforward. Thank you for keeping us entertained and informed!
Another great review thanks. Looking at the ties inside the flysheet, it looks like some of them are connected to the tie off points for the guy ropes and that would mean the guy lines are tied to the poles which will make it all stronger in a storm wind.
Is there any chance you can do a review of the 3FUL Taichi 2?
That makes a lot of sense, will have a look at that when I'm up on the hill. As for the tent recommendation, bare with me and I will look into it. Cheers!
I really don't know why backpacking tent manufacturers have not started to utilise black out material, in the same way that tents for car camping/festivals have. I couldn't use this Mongar, I'd get zero sleep with that colour
1) how is this compared to cloud 3? both at around same weight, but cloud 3 is spacier than mongar 2? (or which would u choose for 2 people camping?)
2) Or do u recommend cloud up2 over mongar 2?
This is the exact question I want to ask.
yeah i need this comparison too!
great review as usual!
Think they have 3 different versions of this tent like 20D, 15D and 510T. Basicly it's the same as MSR Hubba Hubba 2P. Just a lot cheaper. So copy a construction is pretty nice sometimes. If you're not to bothered with bugs flying around, you can use only Fly- & groundsheet combo
Hi. What is the size of the poles when folded?
Mine is an older model i think. No clips on the corners, but same eyelets as on inner and groundsheet. Also believe its a bit lower/smaller. Still love it though. Great for single person use with gear. For 2p with gear I use the Cloud up3.
Hey, Trev! First of all, thanks for the videos, they're great!
I'm looking for a 2 persons trekking tent and I'm between the Mongar 2 and the Star River 2... I've seen your vs. video about them.... wich one do you recomend me?
I'm from Brazil, I'll use it in the high mountains, cold in the winter and hot in the summer.
Thanks a lot!
Great tent. I've done a few rain storm videos in mine
Hey, thanks for the reviews!
I’m hesitant right now on which one I’m gonna buy. I want a lightweight tent for camping with my little boy. What would you recommend ? Mongar 15D or cloud up 2 20D? Mongar is a bit larger but heavier and pricier. What would you chose?
Thanks
I've got one mate very good tent to be fair.
Hi mate. I looking for 2p tent. Which one do you prefer for 2P tent, this Mongar 2 or cloud up 2?
Thanks, Trev. Another good review. Naturehike seem to mimic everything MSR produce - this looks like a cheap, sorry, ‘budget’ version of the Hubba Hubba or are MSR the villains? lol
yes i noticed that in my new cloud peak 2 last night it kept getting snagged and when i was dying for a piss lol do you know what thats like so what i have to do is stick your arm through the tent and make sure the flap was out the way but yes a bit dissapointing trevor 😊but i still love it
Hahahah so the mid section top pole ended up underneath😂😂 you let go of it out of frame and probably rolled underneath again, had to check twice. Did notice because it’s the reason I clicked this video 😂
Would have helped if you had a look at the seam sealing and perhaps gave it a few days in the rain to see how it holds up.
Hello, Great video as always! Was wondering if you could help me. Im stuck in choosing this Mongar or cloud up 2. Was wondering which is the better one to go for.
If you want similar but cheaper, look at brand "Boundless voyage". Same weight and included free groundsheet.
I've been thinking about getting a new tent and the Mongar does look a good tent. The Cloud Peak is nice too, but a little on the heavy side, if being used by one person only. The Mongar has a few strange 'non stealth' colours, but there's a green and even a decent coloured purple one.
I've actually already written to Santa asking for a new tent and / or a sit on kayak ... so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Regards from Whitley Bay
Let's hope santa plays ball then, Brian. It's a great little tent.
It was a toss up between this and my Robens boulder 2. Decided on Robens just because the Mongar was difficult to get last year.
Though I do prefer having separate poles as I find the fully connected ones harder work. Oh and less mesh in Robens so holds the heat better.
Yea there is a lot of mesh in this one. Don't know if they do different versions of the inners. Must say the poles are straight forward enough, ypu only need to shake them a bit and they pretty much set themselves up.
@@SummitOrNothing There is s very similar tent by 3F UL gear called Piaoyun. A winter inner tent is available for that tent which also fits the Mongar 2, as the frame is basically the same.
4:59 the short one is go over the longer one, the force pull this downward
Interesting thing is that as I watch older reviews, (2 years later) when I go to see how much, the tent is no longer available, yet the review is still taking up space.
The tents are still available - amzn.to/44UR7vZ - I think Colin from outdoor Gear Essentials only gets batches in from time to time.
Great review! I feel like I have seen a “winter” inner for the Mongar 2 but can’t seem to find it at the moment, would definitely address the potential breeziness of it.
I will keep an eye out for it, could get a little drafty in here, I reckon
That would be the 3F UL 4 Season inner you are thinking of. This fits the Mongar 2: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000434058812.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.bf734e12DGfnMg&algo_pvid=e936e07c-699e-4304-be52-9b2195b879e2&algo_exp_id=e936e07c-699e-4304-be52-9b2195b879e2-33
There's a 4 season one with winter snow flaps on it if I'm correct
Hi Trev, at the start of the vid you mention having a Vik 1 on the way, but I know you already have one of those, did you mean the Vik 2? If so I'm excited to see that as it's just the Vik 1 but larger and has two entrances which is very nice.
I think I went for the one again, as its an upgraded version i aim to do a side by side comparison to see what has changed. Sorry!
@@SummitOrNothing No worries mate look forward to seeing whats changed, hopefully added another door!
Would be much appreciated if you could measure the tent to see if it really is the 210 cm that Naturehike claims. Earlier models have not been more than about 200 cm in reality.
NIce reviews
Cracking view😆
🤣🤣🤣
Is the Monga a hubahuba nx 2 copy? I'm looking for a bike touring tent & was youtubing the hubahuva nx2 when I found about naturehike, ot seems to good to be true, is the monga 2 a cheaper alternative, and just as good,, or am I totally wrong?
Can I ask which one is better between cloud up and mongar?
TREV, I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU GOT IT UP FIRST TIME WITHOUT LOSING YOUR TEMPER.😊👍👍👍
Trev, Loving your no BS channel content.
I note you're reasonably tall (I'm 193cm) - how do you find the Mongar for length & touching tent ends getting foot box damp, given sleeping bags add extra length when laying down.
Cheers
Hi Brendan. Thanks mate. I will see when I am out on the hill how that goes, but it feels long enough, more space than my cloud up which I use all the time. If you are on your own, you could possibly angle your bedding corner to corner, as I have done in the past in smaller tents.
@@SummitOrNothing can't wait to see it in action
193cm is quite tall. I'm about 178cms... just walked past a hieght comparison post at a zoo! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm 198 CMS and fit nicely in my purple mongar 2 with no problems
@@grahamrussell1651 Without touching the ends with feet or head? In a straight line? I'm 1.91cm. Had problems before in a 210cm tent. (Tapered sides...).
Maybe look for a video :How to fold a tent cover...
Looks a good tent that one.
Looking forward to getting out in it
Do the black duraflex clips really clip into the ground sheet or either in the inner tent? It looked like they clipped in the inner tent
The Outer clips into the groundsheet, but I think I just put the poles through the corner of the inner
@@SummitOrNothing yes I thought so! That's unfortunate that you can't really put it up fly first
Hey Trev, do you think we will get a comparison between mongar 2 and the star river 2? Really struggling to decide between them…
I have the two. The main differences are less mesh on the bottom, similar to the current hubba hubba . It is slightly higher at the head end but lower at the foot end. The only con for me is the doors . When the doors are fully open, the material is laid on the floor., instead of on the side. The star river is awesome in green color.
What other colors does it come in
Can someone with the 15D version please weigh just the fly possibly so I can compare to the 20D weight? Thanks
Is mat the trendy new term for ground sheet?
Are they freestanding ?.
Plesae could you test the Taichi 2?
Nice review ..not a fan of inner up first
Looks remarkably like the MSR Hubba Hubba 👀
Thank you for the review!
Sir im from india🇮🇳 Can i buy this tent
this tent look huge and nice. is it 15d or 20d, do you know what is the difference in weight and quality versions?
Looks a great tent, however, just like other Naturehike tents it’s not fly first . Which for me here in the UK a who is a regular all year round spur of the moment wild camper, is not good news because of the unpredictable weather.
You say that, but I have often put my naturwhike up outer first, it's fly fits to its ground sheet independently so easy does it... heres a video I made about precisely that ua-cam.com/video/MyLVlE6_cb0/v-deo.html
@@SummitOrNothing Thanks for reply , yes I seen the video before. Me personally it’s too fiddly,time consuming especially in the pouring driving rain. As I found out the hard way with the Naturehike cloud 2 . Those tent were not made for fly first per se. My current tent goes up all in one,and down all in one,quick,simple easy. Yes cost a bit more, but it’s worth it to stay dry,and keep the tent dry. Just my opinion. Though I am always open to new tents,new systems,hence I follow your channel..
Is it possible to set this tent up in rain without exposing the inner tent?
Id imagine so. I've done it with the cloud up 2, very similar set up. ua-cam.com/video/MyLVlE6_cb0/v-deo.html
@@SummitOrNothing Thanks for the incredibly fast response! :D
@@schlingelgen You caught me at the right time
20d always
Ok
Forgot to clip the inner up
This is a knock off of the MSR hubba hubba 2NX. Well made but has some flaws to me. Mesh comes too low to the ground so wind and dust can get in too easy. I don't like the plastic clips that fix the fly to the ground sheet.
So...I went for the much more expensive MSR. Great tent. If Narurehike had less mesh I would have chosen it.
Yea there is a lot of mesh in this one. But I've never had a lot of trouble with any naturehike tents I own so far. In fact my old cloud up 2 took a beating on many camps, then me and friend hot his by 60mph winds, me in the naturehike, he in a more expensive brand new msr tent.. first time out and his didn't make it back. The coud up did. ua-cam.com/video/i4uVpXViYFc/v-deo.html
@@SummitOrNothing don't get me wrong. Value for money's Narurehike is unbeatable. Just 2 things which puts me off buying one. Friend of me got the cloud up 2 and is very happy with it. For what it's worth, 60 mph winds....you won't see me in a tent 😁
I am still undecided between this and the cloud up 2….. I really can’t decide which 🤷♂️ help 🤣
Do like I did, buy both :)
They both are absolutely terrific tents. If you threatened to shoot me if I didn't pick one it'd be the Mongar just for the extra room and the two porches.
But as Trev says the wind can blow a little under the fly. In summer that's a blessed relief, I used mine in -5C this year and I definitely needed my big boy pants on to keep out the cold!
But that isn't what it was designed for.
@@tonyanddeb1012 my wife would kill me if I bought both 🤣 I have to sneak in a tent or two a year a slip it straight into shed before she sees 🤣 luckily I’m the only one with the key so she can’t go in a see the 7 tents already in there 🤦♂️
@@deanwood1338 😂😂😂😂
I'm undecided between this and the Cloud Up 3... mainly because I really like the Mongar 2, but there will often be me + girlfriend + toddler, and I think it'll be a tight squeeze in the Mongar :( (considering the Mongar 2 with the additional large vestibule for me to sleep in!)
@@saccerzd maybe look at the cloud peak 2. I’ve had myself and my two kids in that 11 and 9. Plus all the gear. It’s a hard choice for sure… but I think I’m leaning towards the UP. But also I believe they do a mongar 3. So even more options to confuse you 🤣 my bad
2nd 🤘😎
Aren’t these just msr elixir/hubba hubba knock offs?
If they do the same thing for a fraction of the price.... count me in. Besides, my old cloud up 2 withstood 60mph winds on dartmoor when the brand new msr elixir that I went out with got wrecked.... heres the video ua-cam.com/video/PNbl1M-3xkw/v-deo.html