2023 Honda Type R vs 2023 Toyota Supra 6MT, almost...Drag and Roll Race.
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- 2023 Honda Type R vs 2023 Toyota Supra 6MT, almost...Drag and Roll Race.
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That went as predicted.
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Yep
Exactly 😅
Well I wasn't expecting this at all. Civic type R I thought would smoke supra any day
😅😂😅😂 EXACTLY 🎯👌🏾‼️
The results are as expected. It's wild to me that these are damn near the same price, when the Supra is many many leagues ahead of the Type R.
CTR's are nearly $70K around here with the wild dealer markup.
yeah toyota tuned that b58 pretty nice. but i mean.. you get half a car more, a honda engine (that could push out more but oh well), and i still cant believe people forget type R's arent a straightline car.. all the work they put into the car was to make a FWD vehicle outperform AWD/RWD cars on a track. Me personally, i respect them for sticking to their roots. really best of both worlds with these cars.
@@stevenfernandez969I'm pretty sure that supra can keep up very well with that ctr in corners
@@stevenfernandez969 Don't think Toyota tuned the B58 at all rofl. Or if they did, then BMW is benefitting as well, but the BMW M#40i cars have seemingly the exact same tune for the B58, and those predate the Supra. That BMW engine has much more potential than the CTR's 4 banger, so ultimately like you said it comes down to wanting more space and still having pretty dope performance
@@jponz85 lol
Your optimism for the dig race was adorable
Had to keep the viewers engaged in the matchup at that point!😀
Yeah he needs to explained that one. Out of all the types of races that is the worst one for the CTR.
The Supra is unbelievable!! The 382hp is more of the hp to the ground. Its legit!!!!
Props to the Supra owner for actually knowing how to line up.
Damn I honestly didn’t expect the gap to be that big. But it’s a B58, I shouldn’t of been surprised.
sorry but its shouldn't have not shouldn't of. I cant help myself
Thank you for the insight lol
It's a 300HP car vs a 400HP car that is lighter, why would you not expect that gap?
I waited and waited for the Type R to be released, and when it finally was my dealer said “yeah, it might be a year before we get an allocation if not more”… I decided to buy a Supra instead without even ever seeing one in the flesh. No regrets. It’s awesome
Why would you buy a Honda civic anyway when you don't need the 4 doors? You would have traded 6 cylinders and RWD for 4 and FWD.
@@cosmic_gate476 At the time I had a Accord 2.0T and wanted something quicker… The CTR was the logical step. The Supra is less practical, but I figured I could live with it and I have
@@johnmorrison8351 I own a Accord 2.0t and it fits my lifestyle currently. The CTR back seat head room with the hatch is cramped for some folks. I get the progression, but the Supra 3.0t seems to be a nice bump if you don't need a back seat. If you do need a back seat, then the Type-R is a good in between for the time.
@@cosmic_gate476 To me the Type-R is a very nice looking track sedan. Yes there are faster track options. But Honda's reliability keeps me coming back over and over again. The cost to maintain a Honda will always be better than the other options.
@sn4rl277 reliability on honda is already out of the question🤣🤣. These aint 2013 anymore buddy, honda having issues with oil dilution problems, burning shit tons of oil and not to mention they use cvt and honda still has a weak 6speed transmission (you a type R owner and you must know this)
Great comparison to see the difference. I like both cars but for the closeness in price, you really, really see that it's night and day.
These cars are in different leagues.
That's actually a waste of time that civic isn't in the same league as the supra .A insult to both cars
Why can't we just have two cars race each other regardless of their differences, just to see how different the two cars actually are?
If it's a waste of your time, stop wasting other people's time by them having to read pointless comments like yours
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That Supra is at a different level 😂
BMW is different level
@@El_diario_vivir Will we see BMW in Le Mans 2024. Race with the big boys.
toyota can’t make its own engine 😂
@@Brianuwu622who makes them?
@@herbydeslorge BMW
Another good video Sam 👏👏🙏🙏
Great content as always sir
Love the unorthodox comparisons. Makes the channel standout. Any chance you can get a base or 911T to compare to the Supra. Both are 3L turbo cars with non-V6 engine layouts. See if the Supra keeps up with the 100k gold standard
That would be REALLY unorthodox. Would like to see the Supra vs a 400Z or Miata. That would be interesting!
I know the Supra 2.0t doesnt come in a 6spd...but that would've made a lot more sense for a line up😂
GR86 is slow also , probably a good race
@@Nick-hz2kl I don't know😂 I know on paper it's down on power, but they put that power down strong and smooth. I think type r would win overall, but barely
And it still would’ve lost 😅😂😂😂,that Honda is slow and i recently raced one with my 2003 Lexus gs300 and my car is hevy compared to the R type,oh and i have a non turbo inline 6 2jz ge,i was really surprised that i beat him
Roll race would be interesting, but from a dig the supra would take it easily. Sam did a decent job here with that 0-60 of 5.3, not an easy car to launch for sure. Supra 2.0 is well under 5 seconds though and low 13s in the 1/4. I'd like to see what my bmw 230i would do against a type-r, I'm at around 13.5 so I think I would win, but type-r should be quicker with a great driver.
@@shredmonster76 Oh agreed for sure. And I'd definitely watch a 230i take on the type r, would be a good race
I own both of these cars (FK8 an a AT A90) and they're the perfect compliment. Where one falls short the other excels. Both can be track weapons as well.
Great choice sir.
@@charlesdr1981 Thank you sir!
Not sure the Supra comes up short on anything but a back seat, and 4 doors when comparing the two imo! Supra sounds much better, and is faster everywhere including a track! I like the Type R a lot, but unlike kids on the internet I realize the Supra is the more enjoyable driver's car, and faster on a track!
@@germanengineering204 The suspension in the Type R stock for stock is much better than the Supra. Driving them both on the tail of the dragon and the Type R is much better around all of the turns. Both cars are amazing but also having the 6 speed in the Type R makes it a equally if not better driving experience.
Lmao tell us where Supra falls short other than its only a two seaters.
Supra with a manual is pure perfection, so lesson learned today is don't waste your money on a CivicType R if you can afford a Supra!!😄
Specially when they are the exact same price with dealer mark ups…
Exactly, and you will get rear wheel drive which is more fun for sport car
same price but unrlible shitbox
@@user-gi2tv4xy1uthe B58 is a reliable, it's not a n54 or n55....
@@mohamedjanahi4974 Also Supra is a much better looking car, and more aggressive appearance!
Both cars are really cool, but that Supra has a reputation to keep up with.👍🏾
And what reputation is that? 3 liter 6cyl stomping on a 2 4cyl?
@@slicplaya You don't know about the Toyota Celica Supra⁉️ But I hear on on the displacement disparity - although there are a lot of less is more in the horsepower world.
He said the honda just needs a tune😂😂😂 I have a 22 supra and when I tuned mine you can forget it, it gains really good power!!!
U r right, the supra and most of bmw cars just by tuning it will gain so much hp
Honestly I don’t even think the type R tune against stock Supra will win
my tuned 2.0t accord 10 speed keep up better than this type-r,I still lose to them but its a much closer race than this.
Yeah with just a downpipe and tune I'm over 500tq at 2,100rpm it's crazy! And I sold a 700rwhp roush mustang for the supra, so I came from a fast car.
@@alpe6228 don’t compare your walmart getter with a Type R. Just stop please. 😂
Fun part is with the markups both can be had for similar money.
"Straight road are for faster cars, turns are for fast drivers" - Collin McRae
Not to mention straight lone acceleration is a killer for cars. Always rolling start from 2nd gear then you can see the gap is closer. I myself never try to get roped into traffic light drag races just to protect wear and tear on my car
Exactly type R slower in a straight line but so much faster around the twisty sections and tracks
I owned a Type R before my 6MT Supra. One thing the Type R will always have over the Supra is how smooth and crisp the engagement is between gears - meaning it’s satisfying to drive no matter the commute. I also miss the low insurance rates, lol. The one thing I don’t miss is the FWD wheel hop. Both great cars.
Upgraded mounts would've solved the wheel hop.
Lol I guess losers will take any win they can get
And also supra is really a bmw so it will die fairly quickly…. Honda will press on when the supra is dead in a landfill
@@--RSL-- you are retarded
If the Civic didn’t defeat the Z its no hope in beating a car with higher horse power. Nice car regardless.
Z and Supra would be a good match.
@@advicemaster1365 I mean the video of them have already been released so. If you haven’t seen it I won’t spoil it.
When you disappear from that rear camera it’s not even in the same realm 🤣
Hi Sam, could you make the race between suzuki jimny and MB G wagon happen? They look kind of identical and have their own pros and cons! Cheers!
I love this comparison. It’s unbelievable that these cars cost the same amount. 😂😂😂
It doesnt. And before adm comments I am getting the r at msrp withour any mandatory bs addons either. 44k for r 55k for the cheapest manual supra. Yes I prefer the supra if the type r starts at 55k
My dealer has the Type R listed for 61k right now.
@@chrissolis2940it’s a free market so once you get rid of anyone willing to pay adm, the price will come back to normal. With type s hitting the floors and type r ramping up production, if you can wait you can get one at msrp or close. I only deal with msrp dealers, this was the case for my gr86 golf and type r which i am waiting for. Not in a hurry since i got 2 cars rotating back to back as daily. I am hoping honda fixes some race hard suspension issues after the facelift before I get mine
Coworker owns a type R and lied to me saying his civic cost $70K, another guy at Autozone said the Rivian T1 cost $200K, had another guy pull up beside me in an older BMW claiming it had 800hp but clearly sounded stock when he pulled off. Don’t know why some people feel the need to lie😂
@@chrissolis2940 that’s more than you will pay for a Supra. Makes no sense at all.
Nice vid!
Nice improvements!
as expected. The supra is just fast and underrated. Civic stood no chance at all. Civic is fast for the category of car its in, the price is a different issue.
Quote of the day: “…there’s no hope”. 😬😬😬😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
The secret is more hp but not only that if you look at a dyno the tq numbers are impressive they peak very early in the rpm and then basically flatline for the rest of the band while hp increase. Easily 400 plus hp car stock.
Haven't watched it yet, but Supra will blow it's doors off.
Maybe try a 2.0 supra
I even thought the 2.0 numbers are way better
The shift horn lol…
Cute car.
Honda boy’s crying right now
I own both cars although it is FK8 instead of FL5 and my Supra is auto. The Supra feel just so much more quicker. TypeR handles very well but Supra is just as good. I normally drive FK8 more cuz it is more practical but both are real fun cars to drive all day long.
The Civic couldnt even stay in the frame, literally being beat out da frame 😂😂😂😂
I would love the race between the new type r and 2.0 Supra
Yes the Supra can also be fixed lol with a little tune 😂
This must be how those sti’s felt when they tried to race me 🤣
shows how overpriced the Type R is for a FWD hot hatch. Yes i know its not meant for Straight line speed, but the Supra is just a different level of a car for being around the same price (especially with the Type R markups).
It's crazy how these cars are almost the same price
45 vs 56😅
almost? it is like 15k difference lol
Bro, I thought the new one with more power would actually challenge the Supra. But the Supra is still taking the Civic to GappleBees.
You didn't think that.
I wouldn't cross shop either cars, they are different beasts. At the top end the Supra will always win, more HP, torque, and RWD. For daily driving the TypeR wins everyday.
That b58 though. Love it in my x3.
The type R has been the most hyped letdown I’ve driven next to the gr Corolla lol
How so? I testsdrove them too and i thought they been great fun daily cars. Loved the whole formula of the type r being super practical but also great inputs and canyon behavior. Tested also the integra type s and i liked it even more . A s2k would be probably also an disappointment to you since it would completely fail in this drag race bs
Here walks in the "Integra type-s" 😂
You haven't driven it clearly😂
@@van_der_lindeDAyou salty your 4 banger get walked by every performance car on the road. 😅
@@kobedabest with that username I can't take you seriously, jog on
Are you serious Sam with this comparison 😅😅
Of course results will be known 😂😂
Anyhow thanks for your efforts ❤❤
My pleasure 😊
Might be hard to find... but maybe the 2.0T Supra would be in the same zip code for performance
Hard to justify over $40k for a FWD car. I don’t care how well it performs on a track, it’s still FWD.
That being said, this race should’ve been between the 2.0 Supra and the CTR. Of course the 3.0 is going to rinse the CTR, it was never a question.
Stay tuned, next video we we'll see if a McLaren can take down the Smart Fortwo.
It would be interesting with the 2.0 supra.
absolutely, it would be close but that 2.0 supra with its auto, isnt gonna lose the time between shifts... it would probably take the win
Okay same long time viewer im not sure If you take drag race requests anymore in the comments or if You even read them anymore since the channel's gotten so much bigger But I think it'd be really cool to get some tuned crossover/ SUVs the Tiguan APR tune is 230 horsepower and 300 lb for the torque. I'm pretty sure one day is Tucson has a tune It would be hard to find people with tuned SUVs other then VW guys, but I think it'd be really fun video
You should do the 4 cyl supra vs the type R.
Lol yea when Sam said 3.0 I automatically assumed Goodbye Honda lol the 2.0 would be a better match 4 sure
Even the 2.0 will still be faster it's more lighter than that Honda and bmw transmissions are a chief kiss
@@Investor_philipsthe civic type r weight about 1400 kg and supra 2.0t 1600kg and the manual transmission in type r is rhe best in the market right now. The supra 2.0t has no chance only 255 hp 😂
@@steph0598 that supra 2.0 is more faster to 60 than the civic type r car and driver tested the 2.0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds and a 1/4mile of 13.3 seconds that's still faster than a civic
@@steph0598 you have internet do a simple research
At 7:48 you can hear the Supra powering up right before it enters hyperspace!
When i had an old 94 supra tt with down pipe, smoke mit 3000gt vr4 like it stepped on the break during a rolling race similar to this test
Wild that with ADM the CTR is going for about the same (or more) than the Supra. The same goes for the new Integra Type S. $52K+ for FWD and 320hp. Wild world these days. The B58 is the way.
I think people get lost in the current tech with higher hp numbers . The Honda Civic is putting down stock V8 numbers from 2004-2010 . 5 second 0-60 and 13 second quarter mile times are good
Good for 45k? Lol that's bloody slow. Oh it's a track car you say? Ok fine. Let's talk about the type s then. That too is bloody slow and it's even more expensive.
@jp23x good luck finding one for that price
Last time I looked, today is 2023.
@@lui8760 I don't ever consider adm.
13.9 for the honda...Best time with my g37 was 13.6. And it cost 3 time less. Seems slow to me.
13.2 in my Tuned G37X
Wait till your car takes the first corner😂
@@van_der_lindeDA of course the Honda is a better cornering machine. But i rather like to beat it in the 1/4 mile and save 40k LOL.
@phylipst-amant6256 another one of those num nuts on this car page....you comparing a .3 difference on a quarter mile and bashing the type R.....the truth is you can't afford one and u bashing the car....the type R was made for people who appreciate driving. If you don't know you don't know...now kick it
@@van_der_lindeDA I think you are the one taking that conversation too seriously. I never said the type R is a bad car ( of cours not its very impressive on a track). What a say is, with the car price going up, the type R is just too expensive for what it is.
Supra looks like it has 2x the power
Ive owned both and will take the Type R 9x out of 10.
The Supra was definitely faster but it was a copy and paste BMW (interior especially) that didnt feel that great to drive. The suspension was way too iffy to drive confidently.
Why you lying to make yourself feel better for overpaying for a front wheel drive 4 banger.😅
@@kobedabest it's alright if you don't believe me to be fair.
I can only relay my experiences as someone privileged to own both (although Supra will be going on sale).
Love the matchup but we all know the Z4pra will win. Plus these Hondas are costing $45k in the US…madness! Sam, you mention a tune is all it would take for the Honda but the Z4pra is even more tunable. My m240i with the same engine is at 530 crank with a few bolt ons and jb4.
They are not 45k🤣 I got quoted at $70,000 with 15k markup for that trash Honda
Living under a rock? It is $51k USD now 😂😂
@@garthlund2236ikr? Crazy!!
Shoot, at $45k, I'd take 5. They are nowhere near $45k lol. Try $70-$80k.
@@garthlund2236are you in the USA? I see them advertised for ~$45k then again I’ve never directly contacted the dealer and they’ve been known to say that’s not including markup.
These two cars are literally my dream garage. I own a Type R and it’s not just about the speed. It’s fast for what it is but it’s also about the driving experience. Everything is perfect. Shifter, steering, clutch, seats, seating position. The whole car is telepathic. It’s the best drivers car I’ve ever owned and I’ve had many 500+ HP cars. The Supra is great, can’t wait to get one
Stop it the type R is weak and fwd Lol
@@mikebetancourt6403 a redneck douche like you wouldn’t understand. Go change the oil in your Elantra
Civic is trash….I raced one in my gla 45 amg…and it wasn’t even close.
@@djzulumask2138 GLA 45 AMG is trash. I raced one in my Z06 and used half throttle and kicked the s*** out of it. Overpriced German garbage
@@mikebetancourt6403straight line speed is the last thing it was built for. Its a beast on the track
You can buy the type R as a family car too without having to sacrifice a sport car for a minivan
I hope u do a drag race between a bmw e92 335i x drive automatic tuned & an e92 m3 automatic
Also tuned f13 650i xdrive auto & f12 m6 auto
So much to say and most of it has been said. I always love the argument that with a tune the results would be different, as if it's not possible to tune the other car as well. Tune vs tune the Supra still womps the Civic. I still don't get the Civic, I would not put my family in that bouncy, high strung thing. So if it were only going to be a car for me then why not get a truer sports car, like a Supra, Z, etc. If I did have to put my family in something it would be more in line with a m340i. Still more speed than the Civic, and 3 levels higher in refinement and class. Yes I'm in my mid 40's but it's us in this bracket that are making the 50K decision every day. Add to the fact that I can't buy the Type R, and if I could it's over MSRP I would never so much as step foot on a Honda lot for them to try and woo me. Like I said I just don't get the Civic, especially at that price point.
Cool story😂
@@van_der_lindeDA I forgot the next generation can't read more than 140 characters, I'll summarize. Supra good, Civic bad, M340i for the win.
@@justinp2993 tell me you know nothing about cars without telling me. You sound like a bmw fanboy.
@@van_der_lindeDAnah he right.,type r is complete trash.m340i is better than it …in every single category u can think of
@@djzulumask2138 go do something with your life you troll
Absolutely no comparison. I had a manual M140i with 470bhp and I knew exactly how this was gonna go! 😂
Also, a tune on that Civic wouldn't make enough of a difference. The Supra would still walk it.
The last gen ctr would be better matched. It has better top end. The 2.0 would be comparable to an si or non-si
Would love to see cars that are mis classed actually race on race tracks instead of stupid drag in completely outclassed matches.
Honda fans would be like, “put it in a track, type r is faster” 😂
😂😂😂 it would get washed on a track too. They never fail to say fastest front wheel drive track car.
Right, until they look up track times, and find out the complete opposite lol
I have never seen the type r do well in these races. carwow has showcased it several times. I am so unimpressed by it
Accord 2.0t is 5.3 with 50 less hp and heavier
Lol
Not gonna lie. I have the same exact Supra 6MT from this video in CU Later Gray and I wouldn't mind a Type R in the canyons. Both excellent choices.
Is the Supra manual not fun in the corners? I haven't driven it yet - I currently have the Type R and new BRZ which are both great to drive.
@@MKu64 The Supra is a true GT (grand touring) car and in 6MT it adds that extra engagement. The Automatic is slightly faster 0-60 and also a good option. The Supra handles too well that it makes me feel too confident. Take off traction control and you add an extra layer of fun. My biggest complaint with it is the cramped space. You get used to it and when you do the driving position feels like a cockpit, but I'm not sugarcoating it that at first the inside feels a bit tight. Anyone over 6 foot tall would have a hard time in it.
@@chrisginoc Yea even though I didn't drive it I sat in it and I felt claustrophobic.. I don't feel that way in the BRZ. Interestingly I mentioned it in other comments and people didn't seem to agree, so good to hear it wasn't just me. Thanks for your honest take on the drive.
@@MKu64 The MKV auto or 6MT is not perfect. No car is. It's always pros and cons and what people are ok looking past. Someone tall can't look past the cramped space in the MKV. It's an extremely fun car to drive and it's my weekend fun car not my daily. I can't wait to add a bigger turbo, unlock the ECU, downpipe, e85 and this car is going to fly. I think the Type R has more space in regards to comfort or seating position.
Well I did not expect that at all.
I own both. The type R when you get over your goofy fan boi love, is subpar build quality from the materials, the gap, the paint, the seals all look like they were cut with dull scissors….etc.
The Supra you get a more mature , raw, commanding driving experience.
The Supra IMO is leagues above. The Type R handles superb though.
To explain it is : the Type R feels like a tuned boy racer civic. Where as the Supra feels like a competent Grand tourer.
The civic got slaughtered lol.
That Supra is way too quick for a Honda. No Hope.
This video alone is proof why Honda just need to lower the price of the CTR by about $15k.
Yota be sandbagging those numbers.
My tuned accord 2.0t gave a 3.0 supra a better race the other day than this type-r ,I was surprised lol.I still lost but it was much closer than this.
Pretty much an 75-85whp dif is expected if the type r had intake tune or even a dp added the race woudk be about even
I’m a total Honda/Acura fan boy and have always thought the type R was a joke lol
doesn´t matter the result, the Civic Type R is the best in his class.
What class. It's way overpriced and sitting right next to the Supra and Z in cost.😅
@@kobedabest in the performance compact FWD class.
@@saltmaker5353 yes Ok for the money is the Elantra N a better offer and you have more fun to drive it with all the pops and bangs and crackles from the exhaust but if you want a nearly perfect performance FWD car for the track ? I would say that the Type R is a little bit better as the N.
@@saltmaker5353 yes Ok I can understand you, the price is to much for a FWD car with less luxury options inside. Here in Germany is the starting price USD 60k 😅
Can you do a Durango R/T 5.7 vs other suv in it’s price range or close enough.
Mdx type s , Audi etc
Supra is better in every category. Track or dig
I would love to see how the Manual Supra runs against the Lotus Evora GT. They are pretty even.
Did you use are spots+ mode
Manual Elantra N vs dct Elantra N.
Or manual vs automatic Supra.
I know you are trying to warm up the tires, but you should edit your videos to where drag is first, then roll.
This is what happens when you take a grocery getter and race a sport car.
The dealership mark up on the new civic Type r is insane 😳, i saw a blue one with 10 miles on it , the dealership was asking 53k for it
Honda needs to lower their pricing on these cars they look nice but that’s about it, the last true type R were the 99-2000 ITR.
Would make more sense to use the 2.0T supra
Then a JB4 Downpipe or ecu unlock and downpipe and youre keeping up hellcats🤣
RD I6 TT is a pure class. Same price for both. Supra is always my choice.
Man That Type R needs some mods badly! lol
Should’ve put the laptop on that rice machine. 😂
Should have tested the comparably priced 4 cyl Supra.
and nsx?
It’s not that far behind… also it’s a grocery getter, taller, worse aero… what are you guys wanting 😂😂😂
No friend, it wasn't 6 cars, it was vans that took that supra out of that poor Civic, that Civic is too expensive for how little it walks and much less value the new supra, which is a fast and cheap car for its segment
Can’t believe these cars are basically the same price with the “BuT iTs a CiVIc TypE r” tax
What a great matchup 😂😂