I watched so many videos with examples but this is the best and clear explanation that answered all my questions. Since I am Canadian so I was not sure about how it works and once I messed up and go stuck just after I entered Canada from USA. Thanks for this great explanation
As a safety director this has been a big problem. We have some who try to use but wind up in violation. This is the best description I have seen yet. Thanks. Maybe it will help me help our drivers.
It's because it's complicated, if you take 5 hrs off in sleeper, and then drive until your time runs down, you still have to have a 7-8 hour split afterwards.
I think I'm just about ready to try this. I want to make dang sure I understand it COMPLETELY before trying to use it. I've always been a slow learner, but once I learn how to do something, stand back, because I'm ready to go...😂
Watch and read as much as you need to, and then pay attention to the way your times on your ELD change as you meet the qualifications and it will all make sense.
Also, don’t ever tell DOT a shipper or receiver held you up, you are admitting you were on duty and will be screwed. Just say you got loaded and took a break (off duty)
The 2/8 or 3/7 splits berth only works if you don't need your full 11 hours driving time clock for your next upcoming load because you won't get your full 11 driving hours after taking either split berth the 2/8 or 3/7 keep that in mind. This is good in situations when you need to be on time for your delivery or pick up appointments because you may be late if you reset your 10 hours clock. Be safe
After a full rest of 8 hours or 7 hours, you start a new 11-hour driving period. You just need to add another 2 or 3 hours of rest along the way. So, why wouldn’t you have the full 11 hours of driving time?
@@mohamedtounkara140 After a full rest of 8 hours or 7 hours, you start a new 11-hour driving period. You just need to add another 2 or 3 hours of rest along the way. So, why wouldn’t you have the full 11 hours of driving time?
I think this is what the presenter was explaining when he mentioned "stringing together" several days of split sleeper periods. I wish he would have shown that as well.
Attention drivers. Split sleeper does not exclusively limit you to shipper receiver time. Any split beyond 2 hours will work for a split. Keep in mind, once you start moving, you're using partial jump miles. Split sleeper is a tremble lifestyle. Remember. Rest is important. You need rest? A trucking company cannot deny you some rest.
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
@@100pyatt Motive is screwing me up with the split. It still says I have a 14hr violation even though I was on duty for 3hrs then took a 2hr break and then worked for another 7hrs
Thanks for laying it out simple I use motive and it does all the calculations Didn’t understand why it calculated the way it does and usually shows me still needing a 10 hr reset Now I know to push the sleeper birth button in the morning and wala my reset will show the split reset
So based on this rule the time on sleeper berth must be a minimum of 7hrs and a maximum of 7hrs:59mins to allow for a minimum of 2hrs to 3hrs while off duty. Also based on his example during those 3 hours at shipper there must be time spent “on duty” either loading or trailer pick up otherwise it could lead to a violation of HOS.
I agree, I asked that same question myself at the top of the video. You've got to show x amount of on duty time to take care of checking in and signing paperwork before you leave.
I know what you mean! Especially for over the road drivers that just pick up one load and deliver one load. The drivers that actually do have difficulty with this are LTL drivers. But everyone else, shouldn't really complain. Welp, cheers!
I don't see any benefits to split sleeper for what I do. Using the example in this vid, the driver can start again at 2am, have 9 hrs in which he can drive 6. I would sleep my full 10, start my day at 5am and I can roll a full 11 hrs. I will get further down the road than the driver who can only drive 6 more hours after 2am. Just because it works for one and someone else doesn't understand it, doesn't make them stupid. When you are a company slave, every minute counts I guess.
Yep, the money is literally in that clock. I think this is the number one thing rookies need to learn, but don't. Financially speaking anyway. Safety issues are of their own conversation.
Even trucking companies dont kno!! The company i use to drive for tells me im in violation because i took a split and “didnt” take the “8hr” split first. DUH FUK!! Doesn’t matter which you take first in the 2/8 8/2 or 3/7 7/3 as long as it equals up to 10hrs in those two forms.
In short: 'Your government, solving a problem tomorrow, that you needed fixed today'. I will *still* lose my next load tonight, because of a delay today! But: 'Run like a dog the whole week to catch up.' That'll help. 🙄🤷♂️ 🚛💥💨
@@Trucksafe Some ELD systems don't see the short break as SSB if it's taken first. At least I was told the one I recently worked with had that limitation.
Confusing because people do not know how to explain a situation without back stepping, hence they repeat what they say in a different format then go back to the first format then combine the two together and then restart their explanation. Now you have 3-4 situations mixed up in one. So, scenario 1 then during scenario 1 a second scenario is given then go back to scenario 1 in the middle of scenario 2 then give a 3rd scenario and mixing up 2 then 1 and go back to try and explain 3 while listener is still stuck on scenario 1. Now I can explain everything I just said 4 different ways, I just do not have enough time or crayons to explain.
Now question how would you know if you’re going to need it while getting loaded ? Because you may think it’ll take a while 1 hour goes by then two the3n you decide to do split sleeper and then. They end up being done or does this apply to when you’ve already arrived and haven’t got a door yet and its taking awhile ? Or you don’t touch anything and later manually edit/adjust the 3 hours detained off duty to split sleeper…sorry for confusion
Exactly for the points you brought up, I don't buy a new truck, and I feel sorry for all that are suffering because of this nonsense. It's a corrupt regulation that was lobbied by mega carriers to put OOs out of business, and if this wasn't enough, now they're lobbying to increase the liability insurance from 1 Mill minum to 5 Mill, but wait, they are pushing for speed limiters, not to mention the push for EPA rules to be implemented in all 50 States. Sell your truck, and go drive like a slave for them, and our corrupt government is in the sack with the %1.
If you adjust it , the dot or cops will put u out of service for 10 hours ,I got put out of service because I switched from driving to on duty, the AZ cop told me to sleep
Bro. I pull into a shipper or receiver, and I'm in sleeper berth. If it takes them an hour and a half to get me loaded, I pull somewhere safe in their lot, and sit for a half hour.
Will I need an ELD working with Amazon Relay within a 90 mile radius of my pick up facility? And what would be a good basic plug and play eld that works with a FreightLiner or Hino, and has NO monthly fee, please?
So I took a 8hr in sleeper but once I started to leave the parking lot my eld said sleeper birth warning? Why is that even if I took a 8hr sleeper which gave me back 4hrs on my 11hr clock and 6hr on my 14hr
Guess the short version would be any on duty and drive time that's in-between the two split 10 hour blocks are subtracted from your 14 hour window and your 11 hour drive time once you have completed the two split 10 hours, right?
It is my Tuesday but on my Monday I did not do a split sleeper berth starting Wednesday can I just sleep 8hrs then start driving and do the other 2hrs later? I would think that if possible I would be driving in violation untill I do the other 2 hr break. Or just follow hours available as E.L.D will say how many hours available
So confusing. Even The company I worked for did not understand the way the split sleeper worked. They insisted that just taking 7/8 hours in the sleeper would give you 11/14 back once you paused your book with 2/3. You can’t cheat the consecutive 10 hour break. All you can do is buy yourself more time to it.
Agree. That’s why I said if the PC is legitimate, it’s permissible. It will draw attention by some officers because it looks like a potential log falsification to conceal a missed 10 hr break. So some officers will be questioning whether the PC use was legitimate.
What if the split sleeper break is actually forced by the elog? My employer uses Peoplenet. If the truck doesn't move fast enough for it to switch to driving for 2 or more hours, it automatically puts in a split sleeper. Driver doesn't get a choice. I was recently detained for over 6 hours at a shipper. But during that time I had to be ready to move the truck, which I had to do 4 times.
I got one question to clarify what's going on here. When you arrive at the shipper and you're there for 3 hours, Do you not have to show at least 15 minutes on duty on each end of that three hour break in order to be on duty to check in when you arrive, and then to Take care of paperwork before you leave?? I mean , I feel pretty sure you're not supposed to check in and then take care of paperwork , which are official duties, and say that you're off duty at that time.
yes ofcourse hes talking about the sleeper and drive time. rest 7/8 drive 6/5 rest 3/2 and driver 5/6 you see how you complete the 10 rest and the 11 driving????
If i understand well : the split doesn't make your shift longer. If you start at 5 am, you still have to finish at 7 pm. And if you did 2 hours off duty (for example from 11am to 1 pm), you only have to stay in sleeper for 8 hours. BUT your shift ends at 7pm any ways. The only thing - now you can be in sleeper for 8 hours, not 10. Is this correct?
If I do a 10 hour sleeper and then drive 4, then take a 3 hour off duty, does this still apply? I’m thinking I will have that 3 hours of my 14 back right? Basically would I have 7 driving and 10 on duty at that point?
Best practice is to arrive at the shipper/receiver, log 15 minutes to load or whatever, then immediately hit the sleeper. You may not get the minimum 2 hours in the sleeper before you roll, but, if you do, you've laid the groundwork for the split. Also, if you're close to completing one of the rest periods when the dock worker tells you that you can go, just kick back for a few more minutes until you've completed the required rest period. Don't waste 1¾ hours when you could just sit tight for another 15 minutes and collect that 2 hour break.
So if I stop at 8pm and stay in sleeper berth until 4am. then drive 1 hour. And then go off duty/sleeper berth for 2 hours (5am to 7am). I will have a fresh 11 hour drive time clock at 7am?
What if the driver is detained at the shipper for less than 2 hours since the shorter break can only be 2 or 3 hours? Is there any way to recover those 1.5 hours at the shipper?
Finish the 2hrs break and you're golden. Anything less than 2hrs and you lose it all. HOS is stupid and designed by Desk Jockeys that know very little and have never used it
Awesome explanation, only one question. Can I split my hours everyday? Or is there a rule saying I’d have to at sometime do a full 10 consecutive hour break.
Just be careful when you're ready to transition from split pairings to 10-hours consecutive off duty. YOU MUST COMPLETE A PAIRING or risk an hos violation. For example: You sat at a shipper for 6 hrs making an on-time delivery impossible. Your 14-hr clock is down to 7 and decreasing, taking your drive time with it. The delivery time gets pushed back giving you more time to complete the run. Your delivery is 9 hrs away and you have enough time to get there, IF you split berth. So, you depart. You arrive. And you realize you can actually get 10-hrs consecutive off duty before the appointment, BUT you don't change your status to SLEEPER BERTH. You take 10 consecutive hours off, your clock shows a full 8/11/14. But, when you drive, you'll be in violation of the 14-hour rule, because you didn't complete 7 hrs in the sleeper. Well, you did, but you didn't change your status to sleeper. So, your 14-hr clock actually expired the day before. Good news, though, if you're in Utah and this happens. A Utah trooper told me their chief instructed his troopers NOT to write an hos citation, as long as the log showed 10-consecutive hours off, of which it's presumed the sleeper requirement was likely met, despite the status not being changed to sleeper berth. I'd wager Cali State Popo would gleefully cite you. So, just remember, the SB pairing ISN'T complete with 10 consecutive off duty hours, if the required SB time isn't actually logged...
No if your long break is 10 hrs you reset both daily clocks. It's a minimum of 7 so if you take a 2 hr break and a 10 hr break that's a pair and a full clock as well
Ok so for instance if I used a split already and was in the Sleeper for 2 or 3 hours, I can't drive for those 7 or 8 hours? I had to do this because I had 10 hours left to drive and went into Sleeper after I drove for 7 hours. But still have 3 hours left to drive to be at shipper by 9
Ok so here's how my eld handled it. I was able to use the drive time my 2 hour break ate up but was required to take a 10 hour reset. If I had stuck to the 2 hours being off duty and not using it later I could have done a 8 hour reset
If your focus is just on the MINIMUM required rest period you don't really comprehend the rationale for split-sleeper time. The focus is ALWAYS on 14hr clock and available drive time; the former is just what options a driver may choose to exercise in order to get some needed rest and fall within HOS regulations. ELD are set-up per company standards based on many factors unique to their operation. Some companies run 60hr/7day cycles where others are 70hrs/8-day and 30 minute 8hr break exempt. Passenger carrying vessels have a whole different set of criteria as well. Too many to list here, but the point is: although split-sleeper berth option is perfectly legal with respect to FMCSA HOS; your company may not allow such and ELD may not recognize it as being valid.
@@adventuresofperseus945 Your response is less than clear since its difficult to decipher what you drove and was on-duty before the 2/3hr break, since all you stated was you drove 7hrs. How much time on-duty too? AGAIN! Its all about stopping the 14hr clock so it isn't clear where you are relative to that other than you drove 7hrs and have another 3 to go... Read your shit before you come blasting out the gate Cowboy!
Draw it out on a paper log, kiddo. It's easier that way. Go through the log example just the way it's presented in this video at the bottom of the screen. It's a mess right now, but practice is key. You'll get it. Hang in there!
So in order to get back to a normal 14-10 one would just need spend 10 hours consecutive in the sleeper … probably just staying 2 hours longer on an 8 hours sleeper berth break…
Yes. I do it all the time . Learning how and when to shift from "split" mode back to "regular" mode to keep your circadian rhythm consistent (if it's important to you) is an invaluable skill.
Some companies require you do the long break first due to the fact their ELD doesn't see the short break as SSB time. At least this is what I have been told by one company I worked for.
@@Trucksafe thanks im a night dispatcher and was in need that night I posted it but we made it through. He did the 7hr SB and it worked I had him shut down for the 2hr once he got to delivery. Thanks foe this awesome info
I still don't understand how my QC calculates the 14 after a split. I've tried to calculate the hours based on these videos but it never makes sense. The 11 hr makes sense but when I subtract all the on duty +drive hrs from the 14 it still doesn't amount to what I get at the end of my 2nd break
If you have three hours off duty then go in sleeper birth….which freezes your clock with let’s say 5 hours duty time and 3 hours drive time remaining. if you go on duty, does that clock change
So to clarify, Can the driver take more than 8hrs. or more than 2hr. On the first half of the split then take the rest on the next split to make it 10hrs.?
As long as the long break is at least 7 hrs, the short one is at least 2, and the two breaks total at least 10 combined, then yes. So a 7/3, 7.5/2.5, and 8/2 all work, for example. Whereas a 6/4 and a 9/1 would not.
@trucksafe If all 11hrs of driving time is used, Can additional driving time be gained after taking 2 to 3 hours off duty or 7 to 8 hours of SB? If so, how is additional driving time calculated
If you slept for 9.5 hours in sleeper birth it would only count for 8 hours that means you would need to do a 2 hour break to complete ur 10 split same goes for if you sleeper birth 7 hours and 55 mins it would only count for 7 hours and you would need to log 3 hour break to complete ur 10 same goes vise versa you sit off duty 2.5 hours it l and start to drive you would need 8 hours in sleeper birth to make 10 hours or of you sat 5 hours offal duty and start to drive it would only count as 3 hours and you would need 7 hours sleeper birth just Remer the bigger split 7-8 must be sleeper birth the smaller break can be off duty or sleeper
@@Trucksafe i use an ELD. What are the steps involved in using split sleeper berth. 1. Go to sleeper berth first then to "Will pair SB" or 2. Will pair SB then to sleeper birth?
INCORRECT. As of the most recent HOS rules (12/10/22), a split sleeper birth pauses your 14hr clock so you have a chance to take a combination rest period of (8/2 or 7/3). The focus should be given to on-duty driving & on-duty time during each period in question. If you were on-duty driving for 6hrs and on-duty (not driving) for 1hr prior to 7hr sleeper berth time; you have up to 4 hrs drive time or 7hrs on-duty before you exhaust either the driving or 14hr clock. the next break must be a minimum of 3hrs to satisfy the (7/3) split or a full 10hr break. If you choose to exercise the split sleeper option then you will only get back what hours were exhausted prior to 7hr rest period (6 driving and 7 on-duty/driving added back to 14hr clock) and those that were not depleted prior to the 3hr rest period. The 14hr clock will ALWAYS apply so even if you only drove (2hrs and worked 4hrs) prior to 3hr rest period, you still only have 8hrs on-duty/drive remaining on 14hr clock, even though you show available drive time of 9hrs. The ONLY way to reset your 14/11 is to come off a full rest period of 10hrs or longer. You have to look at each period separately and understand that ALL the break does is allow the driver to rest while effectively pausing the 14hr clock. any consecutive periods may not violate the driving or 14hr rule and are to be separated by either (7/3, 8/2 or 10) hr breaks.
I was not born with this huge switch on my chest ~ Up for On and Down for Off. Now our f-----g government wants me to wake up and fall asleep by their rules. It doesn't work. How many times has a trucker driven their 11 hours, parked and then watched video's for 3 hours before trying to fall asleep? Then they wake up 5 or 6 hours later, and they are expected to sit behind the wheel ~ waiting to do the Pre Check and then start driving again. God gave us all common sense. I know when I wake up that I am ready to make the day worthwhile, and go to work. I was not created to waste my time on this beautiful earth, so I will go to the bathroom when I need to ( and not when the government tells me I have to) and I will eat when I get hungry, and I will stop and park to sleep when I realize it's time to do so. Our government does not know how to efficiently manage time or money ~ but they sure know how to waste it like a PRO. I can't live like that. Who else has this problem? I am 69 years young, and not ready to call it quits yet.
Well, your problem is you like freedom and limited government [regulation]. 👍 I'd rather not lose my load today, and run like a dog the rest of the week. 🚛💥💨
@@Trucksafe So what is happening with his 14shift timer after 5 hour break. Is he calculating 5hours against 14, or he calculate (required 3 hours for smaller chunk of split) against 14h?
So if I drive 11 hrs n go of duty for 10hrs my clock will reset to drive another 11hrs the next day?..instead of waiting for the 14hr day to b completed?
I prefer to do it the way I have been doing it for 25 years. Most days on cross country long haul, I will start my day at midnight, do my pretrip, my 30 minute break and do 11 hrs driving. I will essentially shut down at 1145am. I will sleep my full 10 hrs and my 14 hrs has reset at 945pm. Do my pretrip and start rolling at 10pm, so in that 24 hr period I log 13 hrs driving, with my 30 minute break I will be shut down at 930am the next morning. Sleep 10 hrs and I will be ready to go at 730pm, effectively logging another 13 hrs driving in 24 hrs. I can absolutely see the benefits of split sleeper for dry van and reefer but flatbed and rgn doesn't put nearly the same loss of time on me that sitting at a dock does.
What if I've driven 11 hours and I want to reset my driving time by taking 8 hours in sleeper berth and then doing the other 2 hours later? Does that work?
@@WilliamGemstone Okay thank you. Canada's regulations are much more workable. Only 8 off required in a row to reset but still need 10 in total during a 24 hour period
So ... I can't yaffle this much, but now I get it: The reason I came here was to figure out if I can extend my 14 because of a delay. No I can't! Will lose next pickup *today* - this only helps tomorrow!
When you arrive show "On Duty/Loading" then when docked you can switch to "Off Duty". Unless you use this split, the time you sat in Off Duty will still be counted towards your time. Some logs allow you to show Off Duty/loading or Unloading and Sleeper Berth/Loading or Unloading
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
So I’ve listened to almost 5 minutes of this and got nothing of substance about the sleep sleeper procedure plus I have to listen to this guy say he or her and she or him instead of THEY over and over and over
I wouldn't use this as a company driver. Working for yourself is anither story but running splits is unhealthy and noone deserves your health as part of a job
If you dont get the miles, but break your back getting there, taking split breaks just to keep the load moving.whats the point? I hate positive vibe people, something they get I dont get just bugs me!
I watched so many videos with examples but this is the best and clear explanation that answered all my questions. Since I am Canadian so I was not sure about how it works and once I messed up and go stuck just after I entered Canada from USA. Thanks for this great explanation
Only channel that explains this correctly, that I have seen anyway 👍🏼👍🏼
As a safety director this has been a big problem. We have some who try to use but wind up in violation. This is the best description I have seen yet. Thanks. Maybe it will help me help our drivers.
Maybe it's because truckers have problems that regulators don't understand, so they provide the *wrong* solution. 🤔
@impropersuggestion They’re wrong
It's because it's complicated, if you take 5 hrs off in sleeper, and then drive until your time runs down, you still have to have a 7-8 hour split afterwards.
I think I'm just about ready to try this. I want to make dang sure I understand it COMPLETELY before trying to use it. I've always been a slow learner, but once I learn how to do something, stand back, because I'm ready to go...😂
Watch and read as much as you need to, and then pay attention to the way your times on your ELD change as you meet the qualifications and it will all make sense.
You got this
Also, don’t ever tell DOT a shipper or receiver held you up, you are admitting you were on duty and will be screwed. Just say you got loaded and took a break (off duty)
What is needed is less regulation and less Tax Stations, and more deportations.
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Less regulations? Why? so you can kill people 😡 @@gregorysagegreene
Excellent point. You're not exactly lying, just rewording your situation to make it look more favorable for you.
You don’t talk. Point to log
Not couse sleeper time is sleeper time
The 2/8 or 3/7 splits berth only works if you don't need your full 11 hours driving time clock for your next upcoming load because you won't get your full 11 driving hours after taking either split berth the 2/8 or 3/7 keep that in mind. This is good in situations when you need to be on time for your delivery or pick up appointments because you may be late if you reset your 10 hours clock. Be safe
This the best comment !
After a full rest of 8 hours or 7 hours, you start a new 11-hour driving period. You just need to add another 2 or 3 hours of rest along the way. So, why wouldn’t you have the full 11 hours of driving time?
@@mohamedtounkara140 After a full rest of 8 hours or 7 hours, you start a new 11-hour driving period. You just need to add another 2 or 3 hours of rest along the way. So, why wouldn’t you have the full 11 hours of driving time?
I think this is what the presenter was explaining when he mentioned "stringing together" several days of split sleeper periods. I wish he would have shown that as well.
Common sense, easy to understand explanation. Thank you!
Attention drivers. Split sleeper does not exclusively limit you to shipper receiver time. Any split beyond 2 hours will work for a split. Keep in mind, once you start moving, you're using partial jump miles.
Split sleeper is a tremble lifestyle.
Remember. Rest is important. You need rest? A trucking company cannot deny you some rest.
I used to use the old split, like 5/5 back when you could every once in a while. Someines you just need a nap after driving for 4-5 hours.
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
@@100pyatt Motive is screwing me up with the split. It still says I have a 14hr violation even though I was on duty for 3hrs then took a 2hr break and then worked for another 7hrs
They can deny you and they will deny you whether you allow it is up to you.
This video I believe provides basic core innerstanding, Thank You.
Best video I have seen on it. Thank you.
Wow thanks a lot !!!! Perfect rules when u load produce in California or Arizona !!!
6:45 is the core of the rule. That’s after every split period you go back to the previous break where is the new shift start of 14 hours
You explain this so easy thank you
Thanks for laying it out simple
I use motive and it does all the calculations
Didn’t understand why it calculated the way it does and usually shows me still needing a 10 hr reset
Now I know to push the sleeper birth button in the morning and wala my reset will show the split reset
Well explained.
Thank you
Great video
Only a bureaucrat who works from 9 to 5 with a one hour lunch break Mon to Fri and goes home every weekend could make up such stupid HOS rules.
Don't forget he also gets to go home every day to rest and relax with his family
So based on this rule the time on sleeper berth must be a minimum of 7hrs and a maximum of 7hrs:59mins to allow for a minimum of 2hrs to 3hrs while off duty.
Also based on his example during those 3 hours at shipper there must be time spent “on duty” either loading or trailer pick up otherwise it could lead to a violation of HOS.
I agree, I asked that same question myself at the top of the video. You've got to show x amount of on duty time to take care of checking in and signing paperwork before you leave.
Great job explaining
Thanks
Thank you
Thank you for the video. Can I go off duty for one hour between the 3 and 7 hour breaks?
Yes
@@ScubaLorrein the 3 yes the 7 must be sleeping I has to be 8 hours sleeping total
Thank you for sharing.
thank u❤ cuz i was so confused
You are a genius
I am shocked how many drivers I run into that don’t know squat about the HOS, and then complain they never have any time.
I know what you mean! Especially for over the road drivers that just pick up one load and deliver one load. The drivers that actually do have difficulty with this are LTL drivers. But everyone else, shouldn't really complain. Welp, cheers!
I don't see any benefits to split sleeper for what I do. Using the example in this vid, the driver can start again at 2am, have 9 hrs in which he can drive 6. I would sleep my full 10, start my day at 5am and I can roll a full 11 hrs. I will get further down the road than the driver who can only drive 6 more hours after 2am. Just because it works for one and someone else doesn't understand it, doesn't make them stupid. When you are a company slave, every minute counts I guess.
Yep, the money is literally in that clock. I think this is the number one thing rookies need to learn, but don't. Financially speaking anyway. Safety issues are of their own conversation.
Even trucking companies dont kno!!
The company i use to drive for tells me im in violation because i took a split and “didnt” take the “8hr” split first. DUH FUK!!
Doesn’t matter which you take first in the 2/8 8/2 or 3/7 7/3 as long as it equals up to 10hrs in those two forms.
In short: 'Your government, solving a problem tomorrow, that you needed fixed today'. I will *still* lose my next load tonight, because of a delay today!
But: 'Run like a dog the whole week to catch up.' That'll help. 🙄🤷♂️ 🚛💥💨
This guy's video is a little better than the previous one I've seen, but is still confusing 😕
Very convoluted rule, unfortunately! Let us know what part is tripping you up and we’ll try to clarify.
@@Trucksafe Some ELD systems don't see the short break as SSB if it's taken first. At least I was told the one I recently worked with had that limitation.
@@Trucksafe yes... my eld does not see the split sleeper...
Confusing because people do not know how to explain a situation without back stepping, hence they repeat what they say in a different format then go back to the first format then combine the two together and then restart their explanation. Now you have 3-4 situations mixed up in one. So, scenario 1 then during scenario 1 a second scenario is given then go back to scenario 1 in the middle of scenario 2 then give a 3rd scenario and mixing up 2 then 1 and go back to try and explain 3 while listener is still stuck on scenario 1.
Now I can explain everything I just said 4 different ways, I just do not have enough time or crayons to explain.
Great video. So if you use a full 7 or full 8 the remaining 2 or 3 can be off Duty? But a short 3 hr SB would have to be followed by 7 SB?
Thank u! Very informative!
Now question how would you know if you’re going to need it while getting loaded ? Because you may think it’ll take a while 1 hour goes by then two the3n you decide to do split sleeper and then. They end up being done or does this apply to when you’ve already arrived and haven’t got a door yet and its taking awhile ? Or you don’t touch anything and later manually edit/adjust the 3 hours detained off duty to split sleeper…sorry for confusion
Exactly for the points you brought up, I don't buy a new truck, and I feel sorry for all that are suffering because of this nonsense. It's a corrupt regulation that was lobbied by mega carriers to put OOs out of business, and if this wasn't enough, now they're lobbying to increase the liability insurance from 1 Mill minum to 5 Mill, but wait, they are pushing for speed limiters, not to mention the push for EPA rules to be implemented in all 50 States. Sell your truck, and go drive like a slave for them, and our corrupt government is in the sack with the %1.
You go to your logs and edit it
If you adjust it , the dot or cops will put u out of service for 10 hours ,I got put out of service because I switched from driving to on duty, the AZ cop told me to sleep
Bro. I pull into a shipper or receiver, and I'm in sleeper berth. If it takes them an hour and a half to get me loaded, I pull somewhere safe in their lot, and sit for a half hour.
Thank you for this.
Will I need an ELD working with Amazon Relay within a 90 mile radius of my pick up facility? And what would be a good basic plug and play eld that works with a FreightLiner or Hino, and has NO monthly fee, please?
AWESOME VIDEO 👍
Well explain.
So I took a 8hr in sleeper but once I started to leave the parking lot my eld said sleeper birth warning? Why is that even if I took a 8hr sleeper which gave me back 4hrs on my 11hr clock and 6hr on my 14hr
Guess the short version would be any on duty and drive time that's in-between the two split 10 hour blocks are subtracted from your 14 hour window and your 11 hour drive time once you have completed the two split 10 hours, right?
Got it! Thanks! 🎉
Can you link your HOS video mentioned in this video in the description? I can't find it when I search for just it.
It is my Tuesday but on my Monday I did not do a split sleeper berth starting Wednesday can I just sleep 8hrs then start driving and do the other 2hrs later? I would think that if possible I would be driving in violation untill I do the other 2 hr break. Or just follow hours available as E.L.D will say how many hours available
So confusing. Even The company I worked for did not understand the way the split sleeper worked. They insisted that just taking 7/8 hours in the sleeper would give you 11/14 back once you paused your book with 2/3. You can’t cheat the consecutive 10 hour break. All you can do is buy yourself more time to it.
Can the shorter break be back-to-back one hour personal conveyance and one hour off duty?
Yes. The PC/off duty combo might draw some attention with enforcement but as long as the PC is legitimate, it’s permissible
@@Trucksafewhy would it draw attention? If you're off duty and pc to lunch it's all off duty time and would count for a short break
Agree. That’s why I said if the PC is legitimate, it’s permissible. It will draw attention by some officers because it looks like a potential log falsification to conceal a missed 10 hr break. So some officers will be questioning whether the PC use was legitimate.
On my log it has "Will Pair SB", when do I click on that to use it? When I do the short time or when I do long time?
What if the split sleeper break is actually forced by the elog? My employer uses Peoplenet. If the truck doesn't move fast enough for it to switch to driving for 2 or more hours, it automatically puts in a split sleeper. Driver doesn't get a choice. I was recently detained for over 6 hours at a shipper. But during that time I had to be ready to move the truck, which I had to do 4 times.
I got one question to clarify what's going on here. When you arrive at the shipper and you're there for 3 hours, Do you not have to show at least 15 minutes on duty on each end of that three hour break in order to be on duty to check in when you arrive, and then to Take care of paperwork before you leave?? I mean , I feel pretty sure you're not supposed to check in and then take care of paperwork , which are official duties, and say that you're off duty at that time.
yes ofcourse hes talking about the sleeper and drive time.
rest 7/8 drive 6/5 rest 3/2 and driver 5/6 you see how you complete the 10 rest and the 11 driving????
Get your load sleep 3 4 hour traffic time and start rolling
Again i love it
Can this be done with the long break first? I drive 5 hours then take a 7 hour break?
If i understand well : the split doesn't make your shift longer. If you start at 5 am, you still have to finish at 7 pm. And if you did 2 hours off duty (for example from 11am to 1 pm), you only have to stay in sleeper for 8 hours. BUT your shift ends at 7pm any ways. The only thing - now you can be in sleeper for 8 hours, not 10.
Is this correct?
I may have missed something but what about the 3 hour on duty but not driving? I did not see that included.
Спасибо мужик🥇
Я не понимаю сколько времени даст ЕЛД после того, как ты будешь 7 часов в слипере?
Вы разобрались?
Does this count if you drive teams?
Yeah but you don't really need it if you're team do you?
Nah. My eld does try to add time to my clock when I have to sit and wait but I just do normal shift. Co driver takes over
If I do a 10 hour sleeper and then drive 4, then take a 3 hour off duty, does this still apply? I’m thinking I will have that 3 hours of my 14 back right? Basically would I have 7 driving and 10 on duty at that point?
Good info but how would I log that? And do you have to wait to see how long it will take at the shipper then go back and edit your log?
Best practice is to arrive at the shipper/receiver, log 15 minutes to load or whatever, then immediately hit the sleeper. You may not get the minimum 2 hours in the sleeper before you roll, but, if you do, you've laid the groundwork for the split.
Also, if you're close to completing one of the rest periods when the dock worker tells you that you can go, just kick back for a few more minutes until you've completed the required rest period. Don't waste 1¾ hours when you could just sit tight for another 15 minutes and collect that 2 hour break.
So if I stop at 8pm and stay in sleeper berth until 4am. then drive 1 hour. And then go off duty/sleeper berth for 2 hours (5am to 7am). I will have a fresh 11 hour drive time clock at 7am?
What if the driver is detained at the shipper for less than 2 hours since the shorter break can only be 2 or 3 hours? Is there any way to recover those 1.5 hours at the shipper?
Unfortunately no
Easy park that 30 min
You better learn fast how to cheat, or if you're an OO, you'll be out of business very soon.
NO
Finish the 2hrs break and you're golden. Anything less than 2hrs and you lose it all.
HOS is stupid and designed by Desk Jockeys that know very little and have never used it
So doing a split 7/3 or 8/2 will also reset the 11 hour clock as well?
Did you figure it out?
Best explanation I’ve heard yet, but I’m still screwed because my first rest period in sleepr was only 6 hrs long 💀💀
Thank you for making it more confusing
Awesome explanation, only one question. Can I split my hours everyday? Or is there a rule saying I’d have to at sometime do a full 10 consecutive hour break.
Yes you can split every day.
Just be careful when you're ready to transition from split pairings to 10-hours consecutive off duty. YOU MUST COMPLETE A PAIRING or risk an hos violation. For example: You sat at a shipper for 6 hrs making an on-time delivery impossible. Your 14-hr clock is down to 7 and decreasing, taking your drive time with it. The delivery time gets pushed back giving you more time to complete the run. Your delivery is 9 hrs away and you have enough time to get there, IF you split berth. So, you depart. You arrive. And you realize you can actually get 10-hrs consecutive off duty before the appointment, BUT you don't change your status to SLEEPER BERTH.
You take 10 consecutive hours off, your clock shows a full 8/11/14. But, when you drive, you'll be in violation of the 14-hour rule, because you didn't complete 7 hrs in the sleeper. Well, you did, but you didn't change your status to sleeper. So, your 14-hr clock actually expired the day before.
Good news, though, if you're in Utah and this happens. A Utah trooper told me their chief instructed his troopers NOT to write an hos citation, as long as the log showed 10-consecutive hours off, of which it's presumed the sleeper requirement was likely met, despite the status not being changed to sleeper berth. I'd wager Cali State Popo would gleefully cite you.
So, just remember, the SB pairing ISN'T complete with 10 consecutive off duty hours, if the required SB time isn't actually logged...
No if your long break is 10 hrs you reset both daily clocks. It's a minimum of 7 so if you take a 2 hr break and a 10 hr break that's a pair and a full clock as well
You can do it every day
Ok so for instance if I used a split already and was in the Sleeper for 2 or 3 hours, I can't drive for those 7 or 8 hours? I had to do this because I had 10 hours left to drive and went into Sleeper after I drove for 7 hours. But still have 3 hours left to drive to be at shipper by 9
I'm about to find out. I'll let you know if my eld violates
Ok so here's how my eld handled it. I was able to use the drive time my 2 hour break ate up but was required to take a 10 hour reset. If I had stuck to the 2 hours being off duty and not using it later I could have done a 8 hour reset
If your focus is just on the MINIMUM required rest period you don't really comprehend the rationale for split-sleeper time. The focus is ALWAYS on 14hr clock and available drive time; the former is just what options a driver may choose to exercise in order to get some needed rest and fall within HOS regulations.
ELD are set-up per company standards based on many factors unique to their operation. Some companies run 60hr/7day cycles where others are 70hrs/8-day and 30 minute 8hr break exempt. Passenger carrying vessels have a whole different set of criteria as well. Too many to list here, but the point is: although split-sleeper berth option is perfectly legal with respect to FMCSA HOS; your company may not allow such and ELD may not recognize it as being valid.
No shit thats why I'm asking
@@adventuresofperseus945 Your response is less than clear since its difficult to decipher what you drove and was on-duty before the 2/3hr break, since all you stated was you drove 7hrs. How much time on-duty too?
AGAIN! Its all about stopping the 14hr clock so it isn't clear where you are relative to that other than you drove 7hrs and have another 3 to go...
Read your shit before you come blasting out the gate Cowboy!
Im new to this 2weeks in, with my trainer. Getting loaded right now. This is soooo confusing.
Draw it out on a paper log, kiddo. It's easier that way. Go through the log example just the way it's presented in this video at the bottom of the screen. It's a mess right now, but practice is key. You'll get it. Hang in there!
All I can tell you is:
*"Don't park next to the scale, outside the end caps, by the firelanes, or in the driveways!!!"* 🚛💥💨
So in order to get back to a normal 14-10 one would just need spend 10 hours consecutive in the sleeper … probably just staying 2 hours longer on an 8 hours sleeper berth break…
Correct
Yes. I do it all the time . Learning how and when to shift from "split" mode back to "regular" mode to keep your circadian rhythm consistent (if it's important to you) is an invaluable skill.
@@vendingdudes good
@@vendingdudes I'd like a course on that!
14/11 HOS you meant , yes, take 10hrs of off duty status and/or sleeper and/or PC combination totalling 10hrs
what has to be done 1st the long break or the short break?
Doesn’t matter.
Some companies require you do the long break first due to the fact their ELD doesn't see the short break as SSB time. At least this is what I have been told by one company I worked for.
@@Trucksafe thanks im a night dispatcher and was in need that night I posted it but we made it through. He did the 7hr SB and it worked I had him shut down for the 2hr once he got to delivery. Thanks foe this awesome info
@@okiepokertraveler1718 time to throw the ELD out the window then
I still don't understand how my QC calculates the 14 after a split. I've tried to calculate the hours based on these videos but it never makes sense. The 11 hr makes sense but when I subtract all the on duty +drive hrs from the 14 it still doesn't amount to what I get at the end of my 2nd break
So could I run a full 14 then take a 8 hour break in the sleeper berth and then start running again and take a 2 hour break later in the day
If the short break is 4 hours, do i still need to take the long break 7 hours or it can be 6 hours?
The long break has to be at least 7, even if your shorter break is longer than 3.
@@Trucksafe thanks 👍
Can I drive for 3 to finish my load delivery
If you have three hours off duty then go in sleeper birth….which freezes your clock with let’s say 5 hours duty time and 3 hours drive time remaining. if you go on duty, does that clock change
So to clarify, Can the driver take more than 8hrs. or more than 2hr. On the first half of the split then take the rest on the next split to make it 10hrs.?
As long as the long break is at least 7 hrs, the short one is at least 2, and the two breaks total at least 10 combined, then yes. So a 7/3, 7.5/2.5, and 8/2 all work, for example. Whereas a 6/4 and a 9/1 would not.
@trucksafe If all 11hrs of driving time is used, Can additional driving time be gained after taking 2 to 3 hours off duty or 7 to 8 hours of SB? If so, how is additional driving time calculated
No if you used all of your 11 hrs drive time you must do a full 10 hr break
Thanks for the reply
As I understand it, you have a full clock after that first break?
As my understanding. If you do a 2 or even 4 or longer. You drive your clock then break for a 10 to get your hours back
What if I’m off duty for 8:50 can I take a break later for 1:10 to complete the 10? Or would it still have to be another 2 hour break
Still 8/2 to my understanding, just wait for the 10ths at that point
Correct. Shorter break has to be at least 2 hours.
Can I drive 7 hrs. Go in sleeper berth for 8 hrs then drive 7hrs then take 2 hrs in sleeper berth or off duty afterwards?
You would only have 4 hours left of drive time after the sleeper break, so, no.
About if i slept for 09:30 min an than drive for 00:45 min i stop and to sleep for more 00:30 min to complete my 10:00 hour sleep break?
Nope
If you slept for 9.5 hours in sleeper birth it would only count for 8 hours that means you would need to do a 2 hour break to complete ur 10 split same goes for if you sleeper birth 7 hours and 55 mins it would only count for 7 hours and you would need to log 3 hour break to complete ur 10 same goes vise versa you sit off duty 2.5 hours it l and start to drive you would need 8 hours in sleeper birth to make 10 hours or of you sat 5 hours offal duty and start to drive it would only count as 3 hours and you would need 7 hours sleeper birth just Remer the bigger split 7-8 must be sleeper birth the smaller break can be off duty or sleeper
Can you use the 7 hour sleeper birth first, than the 3 to reset 14/10?
Yep
@@Trucksafe thank you
@@Trucksafe i use an ELD. What are the steps involved in using split sleeper berth.
1. Go to sleeper berth first then to "Will pair SB" or
2. Will pair SB then to sleeper birth?
Every ELD handles it a little differently. Best to check the manual for your particular device to see how to do it.
INCORRECT. As of the most recent HOS rules (12/10/22), a split sleeper birth pauses your 14hr clock so you have a chance to take a combination rest period of (8/2 or 7/3). The focus should be given to on-duty driving & on-duty time during each period in question. If you were on-duty driving for 6hrs and on-duty (not driving) for 1hr prior to 7hr sleeper berth time; you have up to 4 hrs drive time or 7hrs on-duty before you exhaust either the driving or 14hr clock. the next break must be a minimum of 3hrs to satisfy the (7/3) split or a full 10hr break.
If you choose to exercise the split sleeper option then you will only get back what hours were exhausted prior to 7hr rest period (6 driving and 7 on-duty/driving added back to 14hr clock) and those that were not depleted prior to the 3hr rest period. The 14hr clock will ALWAYS apply so even if you only drove (2hrs and worked 4hrs) prior to 3hr rest period, you still only have 8hrs on-duty/drive remaining on 14hr clock, even though you show available drive time of 9hrs.
The ONLY way to reset your 14/11 is to come off a full rest period of 10hrs or longer.
You have to look at each period separately and understand that ALL the break does is allow the driver to rest while effectively pausing the 14hr clock. any consecutive periods may not violate the driving or 14hr rule and are to be separated by either (7/3, 8/2 or 10) hr breaks.
I was not born with this huge switch on my chest ~ Up for On and Down for Off. Now our f-----g government wants me to wake up and fall asleep by their rules. It doesn't work.
How many times has a trucker driven their 11 hours, parked and then watched video's for 3 hours before trying to fall asleep? Then they wake up 5 or 6 hours later, and they are expected to sit behind the wheel ~ waiting to do the Pre Check and then start driving again.
God gave us all common sense. I know when I wake up that I am ready to make the day worthwhile, and go to work. I was not created to waste my time on this beautiful earth, so I will go to the bathroom when I need to ( and not when the government tells me I have to) and I will eat when I get hungry, and I will stop and park to sleep when I realize it's time to do so.
Our government does not know how to efficiently manage time or money ~ but they sure know how to waste it like a PRO. I can't live like that.
Who else has this problem? I am 69 years young, and not ready to call it quits yet.
Well, your problem is you like freedom and limited government [regulation]. 👍
I'd rather not lose my load today, and run like a dog the rest of the week. 🚛💥💨
Liking my paper
So what if im going home and trying to avoid traffic, can i go into sleeper for say 5 hours and then leave and log off for the weekend?
Yes, the 5 hour break in your example could serve as the short break, so long as you then get a longer break of at least 7 hours on the back end.
@@Trucksafe So what is happening with his 14shift timer after 5 hour break.
Is he calculating 5hours against 14, or he calculate (required 3 hours for smaller chunk of split) against 14h?
And the hours of service have never kept anyone safe matter-of-fact I drive more fatigue and speed more than I ever have since the ELD
can 2;30 and 7:30 work
So if I drive 11 hrs n go of duty for 10hrs my clock will reset to drive another 11hrs the next day?..instead of waiting for the 14hr day to b completed?
Correct. A 10 hr off duty break resets both the 11 and 14-hour clocks.
@@Trucksafe appreciated man thanks ...love ur Videos..definitely subscribing
Thanks! Appreciate you!
I prefer to do it the way I have been doing it for 25 years. Most days on cross country long haul, I will start my day at midnight, do my pretrip, my 30 minute break and do 11 hrs driving. I will essentially shut down at 1145am. I will sleep my full 10 hrs and my 14 hrs has reset at 945pm. Do my pretrip and start rolling at 10pm, so in that 24 hr period I log 13 hrs driving, with my 30 minute break I will be shut down at 930am the next morning. Sleep 10 hrs and I will be ready to go at 730pm, effectively logging another 13 hrs driving in 24 hrs. I can absolutely see the benefits of split sleeper for dry van and reefer but flatbed and rgn doesn't put nearly the same loss of time on me that sitting at a dock does.
What if I've driven 11 hours and I want to reset my driving time by taking 8 hours in sleeper berth and then doing the other 2 hours later? Does that work?
No, it only works if you have driving time/working time left. You have to do full straight ten if you have no more time available.
@@WilliamGemstone Okay thank you. Canada's regulations are much more workable. Only 8 off required in a row to reset but still need 10 in total during a 24 hour period
So ... I can't yaffle this much, but now I get it:
The reason I came here was to figure out if I can extend my 14 because of a delay. No I can't! Will lose next pickup *today* - this only helps tomorrow!
The load can always be rescheduled period.
Wait a minute, i thought you have to be "on duty" when at a shipper, not off duty?
When you arrive show "On Duty/Loading" then when docked you can switch to "Off Duty". Unless you use this split, the time you sat in Off Duty will still be counted towards your time.
Some logs allow you to show Off Duty/loading or Unloading and Sleeper Berth/Loading or Unloading
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
Not true I use motive
It's the future
Mine does
Any off duty time in your 70 can be split.
Anyone can take advantage of it
So I’ve listened to almost 5 minutes of this and got nothing of substance about the sleep sleeper procedure plus I have to listen to this guy say he or her and she or him instead of THEY over and over and over
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Wouldn't you start at 5am. Take 3 hour sleeper. Then beable to work till 10pm before having to take tge 7 hour sleeper
I follow everything up until 8:43 then it all does not make sense to me again
I wouldn't use this as a company driver. Working for yourself is anither story but running splits is unhealthy and noone deserves your health as part of a job
If you dont get the miles, but break your back getting there, taking split breaks just to keep the load moving.whats the point? I hate positive vibe people, something they get I dont get just bugs me!
You can split your 30 minute break too. Split sleeper sucks.
I plan to slp for 7 hours
I got lost in middle.of video it just gets confusing the more examples.you.give
all these rules and regulations is why trying to make good money in this industry isn’t worth a damn..
It gets confusing at 8:50😭😭
It's Simple sleep when your at the shipper or Receiver you'll be on duty after your 14 hrs are up 2hrs driving
Wat if there done before the two hours or do you mean if you’re waiting on a door for a long time and can see that loading will take longer?
Your eld will reset on its own
Log that 3 hours off duty