I don't how they let me do it, but one day in MD, I was able to sit for my ten hour on the side of the road. It was my first year, and trip planning was still new for me. Its a breath of fresh air when the shipper/receiver allows parking overnight. Edit: Just dont sit on the side of the road in Connecticut. I almost got a ticket, but the cop was on a call
So if i did a drop and hook, dropped loaded trailer and picked up empty trailer at a reciever could i legally drive to my home/ terminal. If i needed 5 hours to get there but only had 3 hours left on my 14 hour clock?
What if I unloaded at a receiver & used my drive time to go to a truck stop; was off duty for a few hours, then PC for Entertainment (like a gym.. which is legal) BUT when dispatched my next load info, the gym was in the direction of the Shipper.. ???? Is that a violation of PC ?
I work with Amazon relay as a owner/ operator, can I use PC to from home to Amazon warehouse or not? Also can I use PC from last Amazon warehouse or post office to directly home? I am kinda new on this feature and was using the 150 air miles feature on last ELD but my garmin elog doesn't have that feature. Thanks!
@trucksafe consulting LLC Does Amazon power only qualify as a drop yard to pc from home to Amazon. They cancel loads sometimes, then my clock starts for no load. 9:00
I have been a driver for 30 years and a safety manager for 10 and while I understand the limitations many carriers put on drivers use of personal conveyance in order to keep drivers from misuse or even abuse, I see these limitations as training, wheels or cushions for new drivers and unfortunately, it never teaches them how to be personally responsible for your own logbook and protection of your CDL… Basically it makes drivers less and less professional & dumbs down the industry as we’ve clearly seen in recent years.
Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest after loading or unloading. The time driving under personal conveyance must allow the driver adequate time to obtain the required rest in accordance with minimum off-duty periods under 49 CFR 395.3(a)(1) (property-carrying vehicles) or 395.5(a) (passenger-carrying vehicles) before returning to on-duty driving, and the resting location must be the first such location reasonably available. You can pc 5 miles to a rest area or truck stop as long as its the first one. Laden or unladen
@@xenogames5610, probably best to take pictures to prove these places are full. And sometimes there are spots, but they are either too tight or unsafe to get into.
The fact that this rule is so misunderstood leads to the question: is it worth it? Since there are few legal uses for this rule, why not eliminate PC altogether and create a new rule specifically for those instances. The vague definition for the rule given by the FMCSA seems like a “gotcha” rather than clear guidance.
One of the biggest mistakes that FMCSA made that leads to overuse of PC. Is when they moved the “yard move” to “on duty” vs when it used to be “off duty”. I see this all the time. And sometimes do it myself. If the truck is parked on the street while “off duty” or even in “sleeper berth” and hasn’t completed the required break. However the customer calls them to the dock, there’s only two ways to accomplish this without going into a violation. One is driving 4mph until they reach the dock. And second is to PC to the dock. And yes arguments can be made, plan better, make sure the break is done before the appt, blah, blah. But unfortunately the real world doesn’t work that way. We need a small window in which the vehicle can be safely moved for a short distance without triggering drive time. I’m surprised no one has argued for this yet. Maybe because drivers use one of the two options already mentioned instead, or they just unplug the eld and move.
I'm honestly not sure and I would like to know the answer. He says you can't in the video, but I've looked all over the FMCSA website and it actually doesn't mention anything about transit between a home and customer facilities - only that you can't go between a terminal and a customer facility in PC. I've heard a couple of videos mention that, but when asked to cite where they found that, I'm not getting any replies.
I should also mention that I've heard from other drivers that transit between a receiver directly back to home is permissible, but that is 100% hearsay.
A simple lawsuit would resolve the matter in which you can't travel to a safe haven. The minute the federal government or state patrol denies me traveling to a safe haven with bathroom facilities, they will be sued. Period ! And anyone whom has been written a violation for doing so should hire an attorney. To many rest areas are closed, or facilities out of order, no toilet paper, or full. Apparently people continue to not fight for their rights to a bathroom. Every jobsite in America is and has to provide bathroom facilities within 300 feet of the worksite areas. Period. It isn't any different for a truck driver. Hire an attorney
PC is hard to grasp but easy to understand. If you are pulling a loaded trailer you cant use PC. If your trailer is empty, you can use PC as long as you are not heading towards your next load or any yard your company owns. If you are bobtail, you can use PC as long as you are not heading to any trailer or any yard your company owns. Say you drop your loaded trailer at a truck stop so you can go shopping. You can use PC to leave that area. BUT! Once you start heading back TOWARDS YOUR TRAILER, You cannot use PC any more. So in short, If it has Anything to do with work, PC isnt allowed.
You can use pc loaded and traveling towards any company terminal, when returning from home. You can drive pc from your terminal to your home, no matter how far, loaded or empty, and than back to terminal the same way, loaded or mt, no matter how far, as long as you are not ill or fatigued. From a drop lot to your home, on pc and back. This is, obviously, hard to both grasp and understand. Best source to confirm my understanding: mothatrucker video with retired DOT officer explaining PC. Just trying to help you out. Pc can be a good thing for us.
My company forces me to abuse this system all the time and my company is an Amazon freight partner and the ones who make our schedules are Amazon. Amazon is unknown violator of this system.
If PC benefits the company objective or moves the truck towards a pickup, drop, maintenance and other needed transport of the truck by the company, PC is not permissible .
I don't how they let me do it, but one day in MD, I was able to sit for my ten hour on the side of the road. It was my first year, and trip planning was still new for me.
Its a breath of fresh air when the shipper/receiver allows parking overnight.
Edit: Just dont sit on the side of the road in Connecticut. I almost got a ticket, but the cop was on a call
So if i did a drop and hook, dropped loaded trailer and picked up empty trailer at a reciever could i legally drive to my home/ terminal. If i needed 5 hours to get there but only had 3 hours left on my 14 hour clock?
You can plan all u want but let's face it most of the time these truck stops are full before sundown because of these solar power guys.
What if I unloaded at a receiver & used my drive time to go to a truck stop; was off duty for a few hours, then PC for Entertainment (like a gym.. which is legal) BUT when dispatched my next load info, the gym was in the direction of the Shipper..
???? Is that a violation of PC ?
I work with Amazon relay as a owner/ operator, can I use PC to from home to Amazon warehouse or not? Also can I use PC from last Amazon warehouse or post office to directly home? I am kinda new on this feature and was using the 150 air miles feature on last ELD but my garmin elog doesn't have that feature. Thanks!
I was told. If you stay under the 150 air miles you don’t have to use ELD, but I still use my ELD. Yeah Garmin only has PC and off duty
Thank you bro ❤
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ to much, feels like law school, thanks for the information
@trucksafe consulting LLC Does Amazon power only qualify as a drop yard to pc from home to Amazon. They cancel loads sometimes, then my clock starts for no load. 9:00
I have been a driver for 30 years and a safety manager for 10 and while I understand the limitations many carriers put on drivers use of personal conveyance in order to keep drivers from misuse or even abuse, I see these limitations as training, wheels or cushions for new drivers and unfortunately, it never teaches them how to be personally responsible for your own logbook and protection of your CDL… Basically it makes drivers less and less professional & dumbs down the industry as we’ve clearly seen in recent years.
Why the heck have pc if you cant under a few specific requirements?
Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest after loading or unloading. The time driving under personal conveyance must allow the driver adequate time to obtain the required rest in accordance with minimum off-duty periods under 49 CFR 395.3(a)(1) (property-carrying vehicles) or 395.5(a) (passenger-carrying vehicles) before returning to on-duty driving, and the resting location must be the first such location reasonably available.
You can pc 5 miles to a rest area or truck stop as long as its the first one. Laden or unladen
If it's full you can pc to the next closest one
@@xenogames5610, probably best to take pictures to prove these places are full. And sometimes there are spots, but they are either too tight or unsafe to get into.
Can you pc from a matience shop to a drop yard BT and I would come out with a trl. I don't want to do the wrong thing. I'm new to PC
Anything maintenance related, including travel to and from a mechanic needs to be on duty
The fact that this rule is so misunderstood leads to the question: is it worth it? Since there are few legal uses for this rule, why not eliminate PC altogether and create a new rule specifically for those instances. The vague definition for the rule given by the FMCSA seems like a “gotcha” rather than clear guidance.
Good question
One of the biggest mistakes that FMCSA made that leads to overuse of PC. Is when they moved the “yard move” to “on duty” vs when it used to be “off duty”. I see this all the time. And sometimes do it myself. If the truck is parked on the street while “off duty” or even in “sleeper berth” and hasn’t completed the required break. However the customer calls them to the dock, there’s only two ways to accomplish this without going into a violation. One is driving 4mph until they reach the dock. And second is to PC to the dock. And yes arguments can be made, plan better, make sure the break is done before the appt, blah, blah. But unfortunately the real world doesn’t work that way. We need a small window in which the vehicle can be safely moved for a short distance without triggering drive time. I’m surprised no one has argued for this yet. Maybe because drivers use one of the two options already mentioned instead, or they just unplug the eld and move.
If you are an owner operator can you PC Home after your last load on your Friday?
I'm honestly not sure and I would like to know the answer. He says you can't in the video, but I've looked all over the FMCSA website and it actually doesn't mention anything about transit between a home and customer facilities - only that you can't go between a terminal and a customer facility in PC.
I've heard a couple of videos mention that, but when asked to cite where they found that, I'm not getting any replies.
I should also mention that I've heard from other drivers that transit between a receiver directly back to home is permissible, but that is 100% hearsay.
@turnpike9680 www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0
The logs are the most unsafe and cruel act in any career. They steal from already robbed and underpaid truckers. And ignorantly make our choices
A simple lawsuit would resolve the matter in which you can't travel to a safe haven.
The minute the federal government or state patrol denies me traveling to a safe haven with bathroom facilities, they will be sued. Period ! And anyone whom has been written a violation for doing so should hire an attorney. To many rest areas are closed, or facilities out of order, no toilet paper, or full. Apparently people continue to not fight for their rights to a bathroom. Every jobsite in America is and has to provide bathroom facilities within 300 feet of the worksite areas. Period. It isn't any different for a truck driver. Hire an attorney
PC is hard to grasp but easy to understand. If you are pulling a loaded trailer you cant use PC. If your trailer is empty, you can use PC as long as you are not heading towards your next load or any yard your company owns. If you are bobtail, you can use PC as long as you are not heading to any trailer or any yard your company owns. Say you drop your loaded trailer at a truck stop so you can go shopping. You can use PC to leave that area. BUT! Once you start heading back TOWARDS YOUR TRAILER, You cannot use PC any more. So in short, If it has Anything to do with work, PC isnt allowed.
You can use pc loaded.
Fmcsa specifically says you use pc whether you are laden or unladen. Meaning loaded or empty. So you're wrong, you can use pc while loaded
You can use pc loaded and traveling towards any company terminal, when returning from home. You can drive pc from your terminal to your home, no matter how far, loaded or empty, and than back to terminal the same way, loaded or mt, no matter how far, as long as you are not ill or fatigued. From a drop lot to your home, on pc and back. This is, obviously, hard to both grasp and understand. Best source to confirm my understanding: mothatrucker video with retired DOT officer explaining PC. Just trying to help you out. Pc can be a good thing for us.
Wrong 😂
Read the words Einstein
Not necessarily true
If you do not advance your load but a safe policy
F... the FMCA!
I hate the government
What can I say if I I’m going to get a peice of ass serious question if I’m driving 2 hours out of the way??
This is all to control the industry. It really such how they build all these regulations against truckers.
My company forces me to abuse this system all the time and my company is an Amazon freight partner and the ones who make our schedules are Amazon. Amazon is unknown violator of this system.
If PC benefits the company objective or moves the truck towards a pickup, drop, maintenance and other needed transport of the truck by the company, PC is not permissible .
Not always true. You can operate under ag exemption and do all of that while still being off duty. That's the only exception I know of though
It's all vs period let's face it.
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