A visual will probably help better. If you have less time on your 14 hour clock than you 11 hour drive clock, check the Will Pair SB/Split Berth box, then go back and see how much 14 hour clock you get back. Just remember that you have to have AT LEAST 2 hours of Off Duty, or you cannot use the Off Duty time. For instance, 1 hour 59 seconds is not enough time, because it’s less that 2 hours. Then, once you get 2 hours of Off Duty time, you ONLY have to be in Sleeper Berth for 8 hours to reset your 14 hour clock.
@@adilusa A visual will probably help better. If you have less time on your 14 hour clock than you 11 hour drive clock, check the Will Pair SB/Split Berth box, then go back and see how much 14 hour clock you get back. Just remember that you have to have AT LEAST 2 hours of Off Duty, or you cannot use the Off Duty time. For instance, 1 hour 59 seconds is not enough time, because it’s less that 2 hours. Then, once you get 2 hours of Off Duty time, you ONLY have to be in Sleeper Berth for 8 hours to reset your 14 hour clock.
1:50 Total duty time is 2 + 5 + 2 + 6 = 15. She incorrectly stated that was 14, as it needs to be. Doesn't that make this example a HOS violation? What am I missing, did I misunderstand her?
I wish I could give this video multiple likes. This video finally helped me to understand how many driving and on duty hours I'll have after the short and long breaks are complete. And that the only way to get your full 14 & 11 hour clocks back is to do an uninterrupted 10 hour break. I couldn't understand why I was not getting my full clock back every time I was trying to do a split break.
😎I have tried this dplit sleeper berth many times and for some reason this split sleeper berth does not work! and after 8 hours I have nothing, I have to wait 10 hours anyway, it didn't work for me many times and it did work for me more than once, but it doesn't work every time, so I stay with what I have tried for years, 10 hours off duty or 10 sleeper berth, and there is no problem! 🤠 theory is not always the same with practice. Practice is practice and theory is theory, so life is life and you have to do it so that it works for you and don't worry about it too much! Don't worry, the goods will arrive later, etc.! 😄😁
10 is the number to remember everything you should know equals to 10, and drive 5 hours after every break (short)(long)(3+7)(2+8) and reason for driving 5hrs, so you have a 1hr window of driving time and easier to calculate!
Question, I noticed that some of the second parts of the examples (part B - on duty for 2 hours then drive for 6). There is no 30-minute break. Isn't that a violation? Okay, thanks for helping us out. Really appreciate it your time and effort. Sincerely, Jon
Or you know they could just let us take as many breaks as required to get ten total hours of off/sleeper in a 24 hour period. But no that makes too much sense
Hi, I know how to use the split sleeper berth 2-8, but can it be done the other way around after running out of HOS? Say that I already drove 11 hrs and usually for me to get another 11 hrs of dive time, I need to be off 10 hrs, but if I only get into sleeper berth for 8 hrs, will I get any driving hours back? And after driving, let's say 4 hrs, I get into the sleeper berth for 2 hrs. Does that work? Thank you
You should do a clip with real logbook where you have loading delivery and fuel and scale inspection and union loaders scratching there balls with in one week 80hrs period. Not just driving and sleeping because that’s not what drivers do. Also don’t forget traffic and bad weather
I understand the splits part but where are driver suppose to fit in the post trip at the end of the day. Because on the 2nd 7-3 split example driver went right into sleeper birth for 7 hrs without doing a post trip and went back to driving without a pre trip which is confusing.
She is talking too fast but you can adjust the playback to .75. The company I work for recommends that when taking a 30 min break to make it 35 because that clocks are not matching up for some reason. And that gets a lot of drivers into trouble. And another thing, those of you that have to work with tablets (company iPad/ or phone to log your driving status). See if you can find a tile on the home screen that is titled "Library". Once you click that the "everything ELD" tab contains a booklet that explains the whole tablet. It's also called "Roadside Inspection Book", that's the book the officers wanna see....
I'm doing a (3...7) split . When I finish the 7 in the sb will I get a full 11 hours drive time and total 14 on duty time for the next day, just like if I took a 10hr break?
Such a combination of Split only confuses the driver! it's best to simply sleep for 10 hours, make yourself a coffee, have a breakfast, during these hours you have a shower, you drive for 8 hours, take a 30-minute break for dinner and then drive for 3 hours, so in total you have almost 11 hours and sleep for 10 hours and you're done with it all! simplicity!
Now what if I'm on duty for 2 hours, off duty for 1 hour then drive for 3 then break for 30 then sleep for 8 then off duty for 10 minutes, then hometime for 34? But forget to log off duty 🤔
thanks Can I start my day with 8 hrs sleeper birth, then 8 hours driving, then 30 minutes on duty, then 3 hours driving, then 2 hours sleeper birth? If not, why?
Can you change the order of 8/2 and 7/3? Like can I go sleeper berth at a shipper waiting 2-3 hours. Drive my time out and then take my long 7-8 break?
-Split -Sleeper -calculation 14 minus (time used between 8sleeper 2offduty) = time given [appears like it paused the 14 if you started with 14] 11 minus ( time driven between 8sleeper 2offduty) = driving time given [drive time stops when wheels stop] Edit or add event the yard move and or the personal conveyance entries from customer to Truck stop to complete sleeper time in reality. -split -sleeper -calculation
The shorter break if used first , and is a minimum of two hours, stops the 14 clock. Or in other words extends your day two hours. After that you must log the remaing required time in the sleeper.
The easiest way to understand this is watch your 11 hr clock if u driver 5 hrs and do a split u have 6 hrs left to drive whether u do 8/2 or 7/3 split. All you do with a split is use the remaining time from your 11 hr clock then shut down with the second part of your split break. When you finish your split break you will have completed your entire 10hr break and the clock resets. Its not really that complicated.
So the split is really just to rest set your 14hr clock and not your drive time? Say I drove 5hrs, break 2hrs, drive 6 and sleep 8. Do I get my full 11hrs back after the 8 sleeper? Sry Idk why it's so confusing to me
Hi Jay, the split is to allow yourself to take less than 10 hours consecutive sleep time, which may work better with your schedule! In your example, the moment you finish your 8 hours of sleep, you will have **4 hours of drive time left**, because your time will restart to the end of your initial 2 hour break. We have more information on Split Sleeper HOS here: onswitchboard.com/blog/split-sleeper-berth-guide-and-examples/
And if I keep driving with split sleeper how do I get my full 14 back if I only keep doing 3/7 or 2/8 but it only Stopps the 14 but doesn't reset it. So basically I drive then do my 2 or 3 then drive and then my 10 and at least I didn't waist any drive time for that day if I'm doing recap?!
You extended the end of your 14 by another half hour, which may or may not matter. You would still need a 7 hour minimum sleeper period to complete the split
Some ELDs , mostly some of the apps, will not assume you are taking a split if you take the short break (2 or 3 hour) first. In fact it may say you are in violation until after you take the second break (7-8 hours SB). In which case the violation will disappear. I have experienced this first hand with an ELD app. So if you use an app , check their FAQ. If you take the shorter break first you may have to calculate what you have left in your head so you don't really go into violation.
Some companies don’t allow split sb … mine had a option to turn it on or off usuall just used it loading or unloading and was able to take a full ten on the back side
I'm not an expert at this, but I now feel comfortable enough with the subject to lend commentary and say with some certainty that the 30-minute break cannot be broken up. It has to be 30 consecutive minutes. But what seems apparent here in the video is that you can insert your 30-minute break into one of your "on-duty, not driving" or "off-duty" segments and still be legal.
I am an application support tech for a company, I am still new to this field, so I tell my callers to please take 35 minutes instead. When they take 30 min it always gets them in trouble because the clock of the tablet/phone/ what ever they have in the truck didn't register correctly (our does not know why). So more often then not they get a violation because even though the driver sits there with a stop watch going by the tablets time and what it says, and hitting it at 30 min. The system counts in milli seconds so if you are ( .45) milli seconds short of 30 minutes your toast.....
Yes. You could take multiple tiny breaks and it doesn't screw up your 2 or 3 hour break. Remember the phrase "qualifying period" that the official rule uses. In other words, if you've taken a "qualifying break" of at least 2 hours (sleeper or off duty) then any "mini" stoppages don't override that or make it go away.
@@vendingdudes Thanks for the reply. I became pretty much an expert myself when it comes to the split SB rules since the time I asked the question but I'm sure this will be helpful for those who are still learning.
Here’s a question. I understand the whole split rule, but I’m confused about consecutive days using it. I know that it doesn’t matter if you take the long, or short break first. But what about the next day? Example, I did the 7 hours first today, later today I’ll do my 3. After I do the 3 hour break, and get back my hours, does it still not matter which break I take first? Like can I do 7/3 then 3/7? Or do I need to do 7/3 7/3. Someone please answer this
Hi R H, when considering the Split Sleeper rule, it can be confusing because there's no hard reset, but your "window" of 10 hours keeps shifting forward for each break that you take. If you did 7 hours as a break, then 3 later, then you would start with the amount of hours that you had remaining **at the end of your first 7 hour break**. Later, the moment you take another 3 hour break, you would have the hours that you had **at the end of your 3 hour break**. We have more examples here if you need more info: onswitchboard.com/blog/split-sleeper-berth-guide-and-examples/
After I take my 3 hours of duty , instead of 7 hours sleeper berth can I do 10 hours to regain full 14 hours? Let's say after 10 hours of duty I have an appointment at 6 am where I am very close to receiver with only 15 minutes of driving and 45 minutes in on duty. but it takes 4 hous to unload which I spent in sleeper berth which gives me my hours back with this rule. After driving 10 hours if I stop for 7 hours it only gonna give me 15 minutes for driving so instead of 7 can I do 10 hours to get back my 14
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🕰️ Understanding the split sleeper provision* - Split sleeper berth periods divide on-duty and driving time - The provision helps to establish safer driving habits and offers flexibility in scheduling - Examples breakdown the split sleeper schedule into manageable portions 01:14 *🛌 Split sleeper schedule explanation* - Short breaks can be in sleeper berth or off-duty status, but long breaks are only in sleeper berth - Example scenarios of using 7-3 split sleeper schedule effectively - Transitioning between different split times like 8-2 to 7-3 or vice versa requires specific time intervals 04:00 *📅 Compliance and tracking* - Awareness of on-duty hours within a 7-8 consecutive day period is crucial - Restarting a new consecutive day period requires taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty - Miscalculations can lead to violations of hours of service rules, so tracking remaining hours is essential. Made with HARPA AI
you can take either the short or long first. Some ELDs may not automatically assume you are taking a split if you take the short one first though. They might even say you are in violation, until you take the longer 7 or hour sleeper berth. In which case the violation goes away.
@@future8783 I use KeepTrucking also. Mine never initiates it if I take the shorter break first. I figure out how much driving and on duty I have left and drive that anyway even though it may say I'm in violation. After the long 7-8 hour SB is finished, the violation goes away. I wish they would fix it, but at least it works as long as you figure out in your head what you have left you will be ok. Oh , there also is a little slider thing to turn on the split clock.
@@GrizzlyOldFart cool yea I push the split sleeper option and it changes. The violation is still there tho. Hope they can fix that bug. Troopers today are after money.
Yes, your 14 hour window is extended automatically after the break counts to two hours and keeps extending as your break keeps extending, BUT the software has no idea if in the future you're going to "finish" the split by doing the longer sleeper only portion. Soooo, DEFAULT clock will show you in violation after 14 hours, but when you toggle SHOW SPLIT it will change the clocks to show you you've successfully stretched your day for the moment BUT the word VIOLATION still shows on the screen (until the second qualifying period is achieved, thus finishing the split sleeper time)
Over all split 7+3 or 3+7 this just means if you take 3hours of off duty/sleeper rest time the hours you used 5hrs driving and 1hr = 6 hrs of work time on duty will be NEGATED, DELETED, by having a rest period of 3hrs or (seven sleeper)in this video that ends in point A then start a new 8 hours of work time 6hrs plus 2 Do not watch this if you are looking at it first time.
Split sleeper must be done during the 24 hour period. You can have only one 8/7 hour long break during 24hr time. If you did 8 hours sleeper last night and did 2 hours more after midnight your 10 hour is complete. To make it simple You are allowed only one long rest break and unlimited short breaks. Take 7/8 long break at 1:00am and after that you can take unlimited 2/3 hour breaks until the next 1:00am.
Are you 100% sure about that first sentence sir? It is logical to me also that 24h period suppose to contain all the drive, on duty, off duty and both required chunks for sleeper berth inside that 24h. But i got a situation where my ELD is telling me that it was be done in like 26h period. Example is if you actually do 6:30min sleeper, it is gonna consider it as first required period of 3/8 split, but it will actually prolong shift time (in that moment when you finish 6h30min sleeper) for whole amount of 6h30.
You can continue the 8-2 3-7 over and over as long as you are within DOT/fmcsa HOS. Just gotta figure it out when to apply this; depending on your to-from-next location of pickup/delivery.
The only way to reset and get your FULL 14 hour clock back, is to take a full consecutive 10 hour sleeper birth/off-duty, to fully restart your 14 hour clock.
Not really. Just go into sleeper birth, click on apply SB split or will pair SB and then take a nap or beat off for 2 to 3 hours. After 2 hours has surpassed, start driving then your clock will go back to what you had before you went to sleeper birth. It basically stops your clock.
Of course it's confusing, it comes from govt. Their only goal is to make you submissive to them so they can fuck with ya harder and harder lol. People will never wake up and never ever start getting angry, the American spirit is dead.
All well and good unless these lovely elogs screw up which they do and opps put you in violation. Remember there is no fixing drive time. So good luck.
Would have helped if you spoke slower and showed us the log...my brain was trying to remember which line was which while you were on part C I was still trying to figure out the math on A and how you got to C. Fukc algebra!
If you drive like this you really have no life anymore. You're gonna be burned out in no time especially if you do recap😂 I used it one time so far and this will only happen again if the shipper got me waiting 4 to 6 hours again and still after my 70h recap is up for that day I do my 10h. I like my consecutive 10h break
The way I get loads sent I pretty much have to do this, drive the full 10 atleast 2 days in a row or be late and cap out time as soon I get to the shippers waiting. So confusing
Your examples are horrible, like you're explaining this to a fellow systems analyst. Use practical examples for a driver like, "Use this 8 hr break if you need to leave earlier than a 10 hour break would allow"....
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I honestly understood none, zero, zilch, nada tostada…. Now, I’m way more confused! 😂 😆
the same.... why does it have to be so complicated?
A visual will probably help better. If you have less time on your 14 hour clock than you 11 hour drive clock, check the Will Pair SB/Split Berth box, then go back and see how much 14 hour clock you get back. Just remember that you have to have AT LEAST 2 hours of Off Duty, or you cannot use the Off Duty time. For instance, 1 hour 59 seconds is not enough time, because it’s less that 2 hours. Then, once you get 2 hours of Off Duty time, you ONLY have to be in Sleeper Berth for 8 hours to reset your 14 hour clock.
@@adilusa
A visual will probably help better. If you have less time on your 14 hour clock than you 11 hour drive clock, check the Will Pair SB/Split Berth box, then go back and see how much 14 hour clock you get back. Just remember that you have to have AT LEAST 2 hours of Off Duty, or you cannot use the Off Duty time. For instance, 1 hour 59 seconds is not enough time, because it’s less that 2 hours. Then, once you get 2 hours of Off Duty time, you ONLY have to be in Sleeper Berth for 8 hours to reset your 14 hour clock.
Hi William, we have more examples here if you need more info!
onswitchboard.com/blog/split-sleeper-berth-guide-and-examples/
Same driver 😅😴
If you watch this 10 times, you might get it.
This is so damn complicated!
Its got to be an easy way to understand this without all the BS involved in it!
Finally a video that gets to the point and explains the split clearly. Thank You Ma'am 👍 👏.
Clear as mud lol
Unreal CONFUSING
Lol I still don't understand it
Best explanation on UA-cam. Thank you!
1:50 Total duty time is 2 + 5 + 2 + 6 = 15. She incorrectly stated that was 14, as it needs to be. Doesn't that make this example a HOS violation? What am I missing, did I misunderstand her?
I wish I could give this video multiple likes. This video finally helped me to understand how many driving and on duty hours I'll have after the short and long breaks are complete. And that the only way to get your full 14 & 11 hour clocks back is to do an uninterrupted 10 hour break. I couldn't understand why I was not getting my full clock back every time I was trying to do a split break.
Thank you!
I think im ready to live in the forrest and fight off the gnomes with my off duty sleeper birth knowledge 👍🏽
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This is an interesting perspective of explaining the rule. I understood it.
Ok. Explain it again.. but this time, as if you're explaining it for special needs, 5th graders 🤔
I thought you looked familiar, we got 2 ND period together..👩🏾🏫👩🏽🏫👩🏾🏫
Real talk 😄
Say that - they might as well have said this in Japanese. And I don't speak Japanese. Lol
Lmbo 😂 I feel you 😜
Yup fourth video and I’m confused
😎I have tried this dplit sleeper berth many times and for some reason this split sleeper berth does not work! and after 8 hours I have nothing, I have to wait 10 hours anyway, it didn't work for me many times and it did work for me more than once, but it doesn't work every time, so I stay with what I have tried for years, 10 hours off duty or 10 sleeper berth, and there is no problem! 🤠
theory is not always the same with practice. Practice is practice and theory is theory, so life is life and you have to do it so that it works for you and don't worry about it too much! Don't worry, the goods will arrive later, etc.! 😄😁
Just PC everywhere, it'll be fine....
Clear as mud. Thanks
10 is the number to remember everything you should know equals to 10, and drive 5 hours after every break (short)(long)(3+7)(2+8) and reason for driving 5hrs, so you have a 1hr window of driving time and easier to calculate!
Question, I noticed that some of the second parts of the examples (part B - on duty for 2 hours then drive for 6). There is no 30-minute break. Isn't that a violation?
Okay, thanks for helping us out. Really appreciate it your time and effort.
Sincerely, Jon
This will be my first time doing the 8/2 split. I will stay in sleeper 8 hrs,drive 4 hrs go on duty for 2 hrs. How do I proceed from there?
The devil's in the details.
When something is complicated , it's usually stupid.
Or you know they could just let us take as many breaks as required to get ten total hours of off/sleeper in a 24 hour period. But no that makes too much sense
Hi,
I know how to use the split sleeper berth 2-8, but can it be done the other way around after running out of HOS?
Say that I already drove 11 hrs and usually for me to get another 11 hrs of dive time, I need to be off 10 hrs, but if I only get into sleeper berth for 8 hrs, will I get any driving hours back? And after driving, let's say 4 hrs, I get into the sleeper berth for 2 hrs. Does that work?
Thank you
Unlike the Samsara video, this actually explained it.
I've never seen a log that looks like that. Still can't figure it out
You should do a clip with real logbook where you have loading delivery and fuel and scale inspection and union loaders scratching there balls with in one week 80hrs period. Not just driving and sleeping because that’s not what drivers do. Also don’t forget traffic and bad weather
Nice video. Simple question. If you take at least 7 hrs of SB the remainder can be off duty without a violation correct?
Soo if i dont run my clock out i can go in off duty mode for 3 hrs and drive again? Or i can go in sleeper birth for 7 and drive again???
I understand the splits part but where are driver suppose to fit in the post trip at the end of the day. Because on the 2nd 7-3 split example driver went right into sleeper birth for 7 hrs without doing a post trip and went back to driving without a pre trip which is confusing.
Don’t do one lol
She is talking too fast but you can adjust the playback to .75. The company I work for recommends that when taking a 30 min break to make it 35 because that clocks are not matching up for some reason. And that gets a lot of drivers into trouble. And another thing, those of you that have to work with tablets (company iPad/ or phone to log your driving status). See if you can find a tile on the home screen that is titled "Library". Once you click that the "everything ELD" tab contains a booklet that explains the whole tablet. It's also called "Roadside Inspection Book", that's the book the officers wanna see....
I'm doing a (3...7) split .
When I finish the 7 in the sb will I get a full 11 hours drive time and total 14 on duty time for the next day, just like if I took a 10hr break?
Such a combination of Split only confuses the driver! it's best to simply sleep for 10 hours, make yourself a coffee, have a breakfast, during these hours you have a shower, you drive for 8 hours, take a 30-minute break for dinner and then drive for 3 hours, so in total you have almost 11 hours and sleep for 10 hours and you're done with it all! simplicity!
Sorry you can't do simple.
Is it ok to: 5hrs ON/D, 5 hrs sleeper. 5hrs ON/D, 5hrs sleeper, 5hrs ON?
so @ 1:50 the max "On-Duty" time is 2+5+2+6= 15 hrs. Drive time is 5 + 6 = 11 hrs. I though the max was 14 hours?
If you look closely, the 2 is a typo. It's actually midnight until 1 a.m., 1 hour. so it would be 1+5+2+6 = 14 hours
Good catch
Does the 24hrs have to be from midnight to midnight or can it be like 5:00 TO 17:00(5AM to 5PM) ?
Now what if I'm on duty for 2 hours, off duty for 1 hour then drive for 3 then break for 30 then sleep for 8 then off duty for 10 minutes, then hometime for 34? But forget to log off duty 🤔
thanks
Can I start my day with 8 hrs sleeper birth, then 8 hours driving, then 30 minutes on duty, then 3 hours driving, then 2 hours sleeper birth? If not, why?
Can you change the order of 8/2 and 7/3? Like can I go sleeper berth at a shipper waiting 2-3 hours. Drive my time out and then take my long 7-8 break?
Yes. And the 2-3 hours doesn't have to be Sleeper Berth, it can be Off duty, but the longer one has to be all Sleeper Berth
Why would you want to?
-Split -Sleeper
-calculation
14 minus (time used between 8sleeper 2offduty) = time given [appears like it paused the 14 if you started with 14]
11 minus ( time driven between 8sleeper 2offduty) = driving time given [drive time stops when wheels stop]
Edit or add event the yard move and or the personal conveyance entries from customer to Truck stop to complete sleeper time in reality.
-split -sleeper
-calculation
The shorter break if used first , and is a minimum of two hours, stops the 14 clock. Or in other words extends your day two hours. After that you must log the remaing required time in the sleeper.
Confusing, how about do it from driving 8hrs. Not explained very well
Do these rules also apply for paper logs or just elogs ?
Best video I've seen so far explaining the splits and cutting to the chase.
The easiest way to understand this is watch your 11 hr clock if u driver 5 hrs and do a split u have 6 hrs left to drive whether u do 8/2 or 7/3 split. All you do with a split is use the remaining time from your 11 hr clock then shut down with the second part of your split break. When you finish your split break you will have completed your entire 10hr break and the clock resets. Its not really that complicated.
Wow someone made it real simple stupid easy to understand thank you!
So the split is really just to rest set your 14hr clock and not your drive time?
Say I drove 5hrs, break 2hrs, drive 6 and sleep 8.
Do I get my full 11hrs back after the 8 sleeper?
Sry Idk why it's so confusing to me
Hi Jay, the split is to allow yourself to take less than 10 hours consecutive sleep time, which may work better with your schedule!
In your example, the moment you finish your 8 hours of sleep, you will have **4 hours of drive time left**, because your time will restart to the end of your initial 2 hour break.
We have more information on Split Sleeper HOS here:
onswitchboard.com/blog/split-sleeper-berth-guide-and-examples/
I can't figure out after 10 years
Lol you old trucka fart, retire nobody wants you super truckers around anymore all about the sandals!
@@User37717 sandal gang bish !
And if I keep driving with split sleeper how do I get my full 14 back if I only keep doing 3/7 or 2/8 but it only Stopps the 14 but doesn't reset it. So basically I drive then do my 2 or 3 then drive and then my 10 and at least I didn't waist any drive time for that day if I'm doing recap?!
The only way to get a full 14 is to clean the slate by doing a full 10
Does it have to be exactly 3 hours? What happens if its 3.5 hours? How does that change things later if its 3.5?
You extended the end of your 14 by another half hour, which may or may not matter. You would still need a 7 hour minimum sleeper period to complete the split
Some ELDs , mostly some of the apps, will not assume you are taking a split if you take the short break (2 or 3 hour) first. In fact it may say you are in violation until after you take the second break (7-8 hours SB). In which case the violation will disappear. I have experienced this first hand with an ELD app. So if you use an app , check their FAQ. If you take the shorter break first you may have to calculate what you have left in your head so you don't really go into violation.
Your correct my eld is like that
Exactly!!!
Some companies don’t allow split sb … mine had a option to turn it on or off usuall just used it loading or unloading and was able to take a full ten on the back side
This is mine, with keep-trucking..aka motive.
Am I allowed to take shorter breaks like 15-30 minutes in between the split breaks.For example if I wanted to stop and grab something to eat?
I'm not an expert at this, but I now feel comfortable enough with the subject to lend commentary and say with some certainty that the 30-minute break cannot be broken up. It has to be 30 consecutive minutes. But what seems apparent here in the video is that you can insert your 30-minute break into one of your "on-duty, not driving" or "off-duty" segments and still be legal.
I am an application support tech for a company, I am still new to this field, so I tell my callers to please take 35 minutes instead. When they take 30 min it always gets them in trouble because the clock of the tablet/phone/ what ever they have in the truck didn't register correctly (our does not know why). So more often then not they get a violation because even though the driver sits there with a stop watch going by the tablets time and what it says, and hitting it at 30 min. The system counts in milli seconds so if you are ( .45) milli seconds short of 30 minutes your toast.....
Yes. You could take multiple tiny breaks and it doesn't screw up your 2 or 3 hour break. Remember the phrase "qualifying period" that the official rule uses. In other words, if you've taken a "qualifying break" of at least 2 hours (sleeper or off duty) then any "mini" stoppages don't override that or make it go away.
@@vendingdudes Thanks for the reply. I became pretty much an expert myself when it comes to the split SB rules since the time I asked the question but I'm sure this will be helpful for those who are still learning.
so you can do the the smaller break first?
Yes
Ok a nap and watching 3 times I get it except the 2 hour break part
Here’s a question. I understand the whole split rule, but I’m confused about consecutive days using it. I know that it doesn’t matter if you take the long, or short break first. But what about the next day? Example, I did the 7 hours first today, later today I’ll do my 3. After I do the 3 hour break, and get back my hours, does it still not matter which break I take first? Like can I do 7/3 then 3/7? Or do I need to do 7/3 7/3. Someone please answer this
Hi R H, when considering the Split Sleeper rule, it can be confusing because there's no hard reset, but your "window" of 10 hours keeps shifting forward for each break that you take.
If you did 7 hours as a break, then 3 later, then you would start with the amount of hours that you had remaining **at the end of your first 7 hour break**.
Later, the moment you take another 3 hour break, you would have the hours that you had **at the end of your 3 hour break**.
We have more examples here if you need more info:
onswitchboard.com/blog/split-sleeper-berth-guide-and-examples/
Can you split the 2/3 h. Off dutty time? As for example you make a stop 1 h./off duty then drive 4 h. Then make another stop for 1 h. ??
No even through broken down. The 2/3 must be consecutive
I get it thank you!
After I take my 3 hours of duty , instead of 7 hours sleeper berth can I do 10 hours to regain full 14 hours? Let's say after 10 hours of duty I have an appointment at 6 am where I am very close to receiver with only 15 minutes of driving and 45 minutes in on duty. but it takes 4 hous to unload which I spent in sleeper berth which gives me my hours back with this rule. After driving 10 hours if I stop for 7 hours it only gonna give me 15 minutes for driving so instead of 7 can I do 10 hours to get back my 14
You can take 10 anytime to get a full 14/11 back.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *🕰️ Understanding the split sleeper provision*
- Split sleeper berth periods divide on-duty and driving time
- The provision helps to establish safer driving habits and offers flexibility in scheduling
- Examples breakdown the split sleeper schedule into manageable portions
01:14 *🛌 Split sleeper schedule explanation*
- Short breaks can be in sleeper berth or off-duty status, but long breaks are only in sleeper berth
- Example scenarios of using 7-3 split sleeper schedule effectively
- Transitioning between different split times like 8-2 to 7-3 or vice versa requires specific time intervals
04:00 *📅 Compliance and tracking*
- Awareness of on-duty hours within a 7-8 consecutive day period is crucial
- Restarting a new consecutive day period requires taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty
- Miscalculations can lead to violations of hours of service rules, so tracking remaining hours is essential.
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To my understanding. Only a long sleeper birth can stop your clock. Taking a 3hr break doesn’t save you from violation of the 14hr rule.
Yes, that is correct! That 3 hour sleeper birth or off-duty break, keeps on ticking. The 7 hour sleeper birth will stop your 14 hour clock.
I probably won't get a response but can you do the short break first? Or does it have to be the long break first to initiate the split?
you can take either the short or long first. Some ELDs may not automatically assume you are taking a split if you take the short one first though. They might even say you are in violation, until you take the longer 7 or hour sleeper berth. In which case the violation goes away.
@@GrizzlyOldFart I appreciate it. Yea i took the short split first. 4 hours in sleeper, My Keep Trucking didn't initiate it. Probably a company thing.
@@future8783 I use KeepTrucking also. Mine never initiates it if I take the shorter break first. I figure out how much driving and on duty I have left and drive that anyway even though it may say I'm in violation. After the long 7-8 hour SB is finished, the violation goes away. I wish they would fix it, but at least it works as long as you figure out in your head what you have left you will be ok. Oh , there also is a little slider thing to turn on the split clock.
@@GrizzlyOldFart cool yea I push the split sleeper option and it changes. The violation is still there tho. Hope they can fix that bug. Troopers today are after money.
Yes, your 14 hour window is extended automatically after the break counts to two hours and keeps extending as your break keeps extending, BUT the software has no idea if in the future you're going to "finish" the split by doing the longer sleeper only portion. Soooo, DEFAULT clock will show you in violation after 14 hours, but when you toggle SHOW SPLIT it will change the clocks to show you you've successfully stretched your day for the moment BUT the word VIOLATION still shows on the screen (until the second qualifying period is achieved, thus finishing the split sleeper time)
Confusing as hell
Over all split 7+3 or 3+7 this just means if you take 3hours of off duty/sleeper rest time the hours you used 5hrs driving and 1hr = 6 hrs of work time on duty will be NEGATED, DELETED, by having a rest period of 3hrs or (seven sleeper)in this video that ends in point A then start a new 8 hours of work time 6hrs plus 2 Do not watch this if you are looking at it first time.
I got nothing
Split sleeper must be done during the 24 hour period. You can have only one 8/7 hour long break during 24hr time.
If you did 8 hours sleeper last night and did 2 hours more after midnight your 10 hour is complete.
To make it simple
You are allowed only one long rest break and unlimited short breaks.
Take 7/8 long break at 1:00am and after that you can take unlimited 2/3 hour breaks until the next 1:00am.
Are you 100% sure about that first sentence sir? It is logical to me also that 24h period suppose to contain all the drive, on duty, off duty and both required chunks for sleeper berth inside that 24h.
But i got a situation where my ELD is telling me that it was be done in like 26h period. Example is if you actually do 6:30min sleeper, it is gonna consider it as first required period of 3/8 split, but it will actually prolong shift time (in that moment when you finish 6h30min sleeper) for whole amount of 6h30.
You can continue the 8-2 3-7 over and over as long as you are within DOT/fmcsa HOS. Just gotta figure it out when to apply this; depending on your to-from-next location of pickup/delivery.
The only way to reset and get your FULL 14 hour clock back, is to take a full consecutive 10 hour sleeper birth/off-duty, to fully restart your 14 hour clock.
I don’t get it…
First time I watched it I didn't get it. second time I watched it, it clicked! makes sense now
This is so confusing
Not really. Just go into sleeper birth, click on apply SB split or will pair SB and then take a nap or beat off for 2 to 3 hours. After 2 hours has surpassed, start driving then your clock will go back to what you had before you went to sleeper birth. It basically stops your clock.
@@genericwhitemale1114 so it doesn't reset it, it just stops it then?
@@BreezyLoveMachine only thing that resets it is a 10 hour break
Of course it's confusing, it comes from govt. Their only goal is to make you submissive to them so they can fuck with ya harder and harder lol. People will never wake up and never ever start getting angry, the American spirit is dead.
Damn I’m slow as hell cause I’m still confused on the splits when it’s time to drive again after completing a split
I must be tired because I don't get it
Just get rid of the 14hr rule completely and everything else would make a lot more sense.
Day cabs don't have sleepers.
So, I'm in violation because I went home, I logged Off Duty instead of SB.
You can't log Sleeper if you went home anyway, unless you parked your truck in the living room
All well and good unless these lovely elogs screw up which they do and opps put you in violation. Remember there is no fixing drive time. So good luck.
_So that’s what all those algebra and trigonometry classes was about because I still can’t understand a damn thing_
Great example of how government makes our lives better.......
No one else explains how to switch between the two
I feel like you made a simple concept... complicated.
Breaker 1-9 for a radio check, c'mon?
What!!?
Would have helped if you spoke slower and showed us the log...my brain was trying to remember which line was which while you were on part C I was still trying to figure out the math on A and how you got to C. Fukc algebra!
We’re dadgum truckers…not mathematicians!!
If you drive like this you really have no life anymore. You're gonna be burned out in no time especially if you do recap😂 I used it one time so far and this will only happen again if the shipper got me waiting 4 to 6 hours again and still after my 70h recap is up for that day I do my 10h. I like my consecutive 10h break
The way I get loads sent I pretty much have to do this, drive the full 10 atleast 2 days in a row or be late and cap out time as soon I get to the shippers waiting. So confusing
Your examples are horrible, like you're explaining this to a fellow systems analyst. Use practical examples for a driver like, "Use this 8 hr break if you need to leave earlier than a 10 hour break would allow"....
It sounds as if you're reading it out and you don't even know it yourself
I got it so basically she said...
And then. She said...
So now we know ... ...
Thiis made everything worse
Now my head hurts.
Now explain it like if i was 5 years old
Too fast! Slow down and also point out with hand not just ho light examples.
it sucks and any company that requires drivers like me to do it will see me go home the next day
I like turtles.
who spilts your sleep? I'll be a driving zombie. F the spilt get ur 10 in at one time.
Most confusing video ever. Using words like "this" and other vague words that can easily cause somebody to lose track of what she's talking about.
Thanks for nothing
None of this makes any damn sense
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Wtf? More confusing.
Terrible teachings
Makes no sense .terrible teacher
Confusing as hell