@@doreenkucek3508 ...I think that you have to consider that he's probably both Catholic and Latino and what that means. If she broke up with him then she didn't just "break his heart". She took his manhood, in the eyes of his family and friends.
This is so true! I moved far away to deter an abusive, hyper controlling ex. He still tried. Even 10 years after I moved away, he was still trying occasionally. It was a smart move to at least put geographic distance from him in place.
It’s different in Nicaragua, it’s a very rough and dangerous place over there. He was probably an angel compared to everyone else they’ve seen on the streets
Agree but same with singers who are famous, look at R Kelly..... and many more....Just because the music might be great doesn't mean the one who made the music is a good person
I'm Nicaraguan, and I really hope the family sees this. I know you guys wanted him to be extradited to the US but trust me, the prisons here are inhumane and he's definitely enduring more suffering than he would in a US prison.
Yep, but that does not mean that he was not broken up by her rejecting him. I am not saying that makes what he did right, but that explains why he did it. Rejection is one of the most hurtful emotions that a person can experience.
His friends literally made me feel sick to my stomach. I don’t care HOW good of a friend you are to me, or even if you’re my family member…if you take someone’s life like this, I’m not going to sit there and say you’re “innocent” and a “good person”
@@carolinehoward180 half of me said 👍🏻the other half of me just felt bad about how betrayed they will feel when it sinks in. Unfortunately it takes a while before maturity to sink in and realize the bullet they all dodged themselves.
He was grinning and acting cool during the court case. He really thought he was going free. It's great to see that smirk wiped off his face when he heard the outcome. RIP Hailey
I’m glad the judge didn’t buy it. I really believe she felt that she needed to protect her country from this killer and gave him the maximum. Knowing damn well that if she see him free he would have killed again. Bravo to this judge. Glad they appointed a female judge
Exactly. He was a young & troubled kid. I thought it shocking, that he looked arrogant in court, which was very very stupid of him, since the judge could easily see that he displayed ZERO remorse. (At least in the film clips.). The judge was wise to protect other women from him. Thirty years is a long long time in prison. I hope he learns a lot about compassion & humility while he’s there.
Nicaraguan judge seems understand mind of murderer better than judges in here US. It could be more heard from dependent side if it was in US court. I’m guessing. Sentencing by Nicaraguan court 30yrs seems fair to me. Top of that condition of Nicaraguan prison being very notorious that it was his dump move to flee to country of his birth when you’re committing crime like that.
It’s so crazy to me that his friends are still defending him after he admitted. The way they say “it’s so sad to see my friend in jail”. I’m sure it’s a ton more devastating for the victims family is a lot more torn having to only see her grave.
I am so impressed by Nicaragua! The citizen who recognized him and reported it, them letting the American defense team be part of his trial, the judge letting her mother speak. I am so full of respect for all of those that helped Hailey, her friends and family get justice. Also 30 yrs in a Nicaraguan prison is way worse than 25- life here in America
@@magnumxlpi well unfortunately it is correct in a lot of these countries...but I doubt they would do that for some young kid who has nothing to offer the rich or government
The Nicaraguan judge has my respect and admiration. To Hailey's friends who risked their life to track down their friend, God knows we desperately need more people like you.
Orlando's friends are such airheads. I'm glad that the judge did her job and saw through his bs. Also, seeing Haley's dad receive her diploma absolutely broke my heart. I hope that he is surrounded by love :(
They’re absolutely delusional. How is he innocent? He confessed, her body was found in his apartment and he immediately fled after she died. Not that hard to surmise
@@be4202 likely location sevices? circles of friends do those kinds of things now-a-days. apps like find my phone allow you to add friends. when my truck broke down out of state, my wife was able to come directly to me.
@@be4202 if the gf was having issues with bf, it would make sense shed take precaution. hence the friends being on the same page and actually breaking in...as if they already knew.
It's hard for his friends to accept that he got 30 years?!? He took an entire life from Haley and her friends and family. He got a sweet deal if you ask me.
@@satinwhip he killed someone so he doesn't really deserve better than what he got. He is still breathing and his family can visit him still so he still gets it better than her and her family.
@@user-vz8ro6df9k Obviously he got what he deserved, still it's not a sweet deal, probably it's more than what he would get in the USA, plus the prisons are way worse there. It's good to see that running away to Nicaragua backfired on him in that way
My respect and recognition to the Nicaraguan judge that was able to see the whole picture without being intimidated and gave him the punishment he deserved.
True shout out to Nicaragua 🇳🇮 and the fine judges keep up the awesome job and blessing. Please keep that trash in prison if yall can for ever. So he won't cause any more grief to any family members in your country. Stay strong Nicaragua 🇳🇮.
@@BTKKILLER1 even more so, since Nicaragua is anything but a vasall to the States. the legal sysem works excellently. bad decision to return to his home country.
Boy, he will surely regret spending those 30 years in a Nicaraguan jail instead of spending that time in an American jail, where they would’ve given him cable, TV and air conditioning. He’s not gonna get anything other than heat and mosquitoes in that Nicaraguan jail.
I can't imagine the hole in her mother's heart, something no parent should ever have to dream of happening to their child. As a father of 2 young teenage boys..I don't think I'd be able to go on if I lost one, or both, I'd be done. Your strength is commendable.
It amazes me how all of the evidence is right in front of them and yet a friend of someone can still believe in their innocence because of the person “they knew”.
I don't care how deeply I love my friends who are amazing to me... wrong is wrong and there will always be consequences for your actions! They're all disgusting smh
It comes from the image we project on others throughtout our time with them. If you always looked at as a nice friendly person to everyone. That's how they see you and it's hard for them to see you as anything else. Image you find out that one of your parents are a serial killer. you would have a hard time believing it even with overwhelming evidence because that's not how you see them. And it works the same way with people you've come to trust.
Depends on your definition of 'insane'. Everyone is capable of killing, including you. The way you put 'left her body there to rot' is also telling. Its never good, is it? Some killers try to hide the body and do all sorts of things to it, that desecrate the body. This guy didnt and then you state 'left her to rot'. So what else should he have done? You do realize that a corpse WILL start to rot very soon, right?
@@StofStuiver he could've gone to the police and say "i dont know what happened i woke up this morning and my friend was dead" instead of trying to khmself or FLEEING THE COUNTRY. He is guilty, and not insane, he KNOWS what he did and KNEW what he was doing.
@@Marsffect I wasnt saying he wasnt guilty. I was pointing out that people generally have little to no clue what they are saying. You cannot argue that someone is a psychopath AND say that he is sane.
i'm glad someone made a video of this. I am Orlando Tercero's niece and when this happened I was very unaware of this and my father always told me this about him. I always looked up to him growing up and curious of what really happened so again thank you for clearing this up.
His friends are DELUSIONAL!!! They weren’t there. When people are away from home, in a new place with freedoms, they can live double lives… I’ve seen it with my ex husband… it was scary. Before that I would swear up and down he would NEVER do that, or act “that” way… In this case I’m so glad justice prevailed. His friends need to put themselves in Hayley’s place. Btw, did you see his smirk as he was lead out of the court.
He probably told them what he wanted them to know but if they knew him as well as they said they did they might have noticed something not well in Orlando S M H
They are not delusional they are in denial. Life is not as important in poor 3rd world countries like this. It's parent syndrome, a Mother or Father usually will always say oh my son is innocent. Same with his friends and its one of their own against an American. To them he's innocent even if they know he's not.
You have to understand the culture when someone says excellent student. It means that person is much brilliant and smart and they trust that person's judgement and mostly think that person can do more right than wrong.
I find it disgusting that his female friends are saying he’s innocent even when he admitted he did it! Especially the one that basically blamed Haley for Orlando “loosing his mind” and murdering her. Just disgusting. They all acted like he was some gentleman and just snapped, what about the stalking and the slashed tires? He obviously had no remorse because he’s trying to get out.
My son just left for college at Bloomsburg University & i miss him so much even though he comes home every 2 weeks. Hayley seemed so positive. I wish i was like that. 🙏
Hailey has a some really good friends. They tracked her phone down and even infiltrated the untrustworthy culprit's house. They risked their lives for her, and because of their efforts, she got justice. Rest in peace to her. She may have been naive but she had a kind and innocent heart. I feel awful for her family and friends that miss her everyday, including Kevin.
@@alicia_nuchitta She did not have to die by any means. (It's very sad that she did) But she also did make some BAD decisions by sleeping with the both on them. And having a back and forth relationship with this creep.
@@tititte30 Thing is, we can all agree he may not have been a creep in the first place. He just became one because, well, that's what desperation can do. The more desperate you want of one thing, the more you learn that you are capable of doing unthinkable things. This is a common theme for people who enjoy the priveledge of being in a friends with benefits type of relationship. Many people think they can play the game only for them to discover that they are too weak for the consequences of it.
His smugness at trial is so gross. I can understand why his friends at home are having such a hard time accepting their friend did this but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. It seems to me that following a failed suicide attempt he decided to flee with the belief he wouldn’t be caught. Haileys mom is such a strong woman, I can’t fathom her heartbreak. Nicaraguan authorities did a great job working with the US to bring justice to Haley’s family.
To be honest, his friends comments disgusted me. Their comments made it seem like they haven't looked into the case and all the evidence at all. Basically, everyone of them said "I could not imagine him doing something like that, so no, I strongly believe in his innocence no matter what". His former friends from Binghamton on the other hand - who actually experienced him and his behavior in the months before he became a killer - gave good insight into what kind of a person he apparently was. .... didn't want to write that much but their comments triggered me so hard. 🙄
@@rbznde You should give benefit of doubt in this kind of situation. It's possible they didn't have all the information about the case, and very probable that they were manipulated by someone (like Trecero's parents, lawyers) to make this appearance, maybe in hope of sowing some doubt about the case to help future appeals.
@@rbznde If you were a Nicaraguan teen, you might very well believe your best friend (whom you know as a great guy) that he got scapegoated by the racist American system, and that's why all of a sudden he's on trial for murdering some American girl you've never heard of. He might tell you not to believe anything you read online, or hear on the news. He might beg you to trust in him, no matter what THEY tell you; after all - who do you trust? Your childhood best friend or the terrible system that suddenly imprisoned your innocent childhood best friend?
Am I the only one that got sick to my stomach watching his friends defend him? He confessed in the note, then tried to avoid the consequences of his actions, first with that half-assed suicide attempt then by fleeing the country. And they're still like "he was nice to us and he was a good student (wtf?) so he should be let go". Abusers are evil, but enablers are just as bad. "Denial" isn't a defense when the facts are so damning and overwhelming.
I am so glad I am not the only one who believes enablers are just as bad. The sperm donor of my children beat me every day while pregnant. When I finally got the chance to leave him, I fled from Mississippi to Pennsylvania, where he still found me and jumped from behind a car and attacked me. The neighbors saw what was happening and called the police. He was still beating me when they arrived. His parents, my childrens grandparents defended him in court, saying he was a good person and made a "mistake" he only got four years. To this day, I can't even fathom how his parents saw all my abuse and the photos from the attack and decided he made a "mistake". They are just as bad as him.
@@deannalowman2299 I'm sorry that happened to you. Domestic abuse sentences in this country are a joke in most cases honestly. We have to be grateful we survived as many aren't so fortunate. My ex always told me his friends *knew* he hit me and were ok with it. I thought that was just gaslighting, but it turns out some *did* know. They also knew that he'd beat his first wife as well (which I didn't find out till I'd left), and gave him a pass for that too. However, most of his friends didn't know, and they cut him off completely when I finally told them. It's astounding how some people can overlook things that are obvious red lines to everyone else. Some consider enablers naive bystanders, but they most definitely are not. Enablers are participants in abuse. And abusers always seem to know who they can recruit and who they can't.
@@Libbathegreat The old boy network is strong in the USA. It is still a very patriarchal system, based on glorifying war and the warrior class. I am so sorry to hear that you had to suffer. I would have cut him off completely in that situation and would have tried to get you some help. I have a cousin who is a real assh*le. I spent a lot of time and money, helping his past 2 wives that he abused. It took a while to get him, but finally he is in prison where he belongs.
@@dysonanspoznawczy7705 what's to talk about? She had made it clear she didn't want anything serious with him. Yes she was playing with hearts, but that isn't a crime. She was open about the fact she was a free spirit, it was no secret. Her body, her choice.
Never ever, ever let an abuser back into your life! I have lived through this and I was lucky to escape with my life, so if you manage to kick an abuser out of your life, don't let them back in because you trust them! How can you trust someone who is spying on you and is crazy enough to slash your tires? Poor woman, she was destined for a great life which was taken by a jealous monster.
Me too, and each time I let him back in or tried to give him the benefit of the doubt…either me or our children paid dearly…we still are, even 12yrs after he OD’d on his favorite drugs, overseas. He’d kidnapped the children & fled overseas when he realized his families money and connections couldn’t save him from serious abuse and CM charges a neighboring State filed after the kids talked to authorities. My daughter can’t have children of her own bc of the damage he caused. My son is gone, partly because of what his “father” did. These monsters destroy MANY lives and relationships. When an abuser, MALE OR FEMALE, PROMISES that “you’re going to pay for this for the rest of your life”-BELIEVE THEM! I’m so sorry for Haley’s family; unfortunately, I know the pain of losing a child…especially during this time of year. I applaud the work her mother is doing. I ended up going into DV/SA counseling myself for over 20yrs; unfortunately, I can’t do it anymore. It’s both rewarding and depressing work because we STILL seem to keep taking steps forward; then leaps backward. Abusers are often very cunning, very talented conmen and women who fool most people around them. When they have money and family connections..it’s even worse. PLEASE connect with a domestic violence organization or shelter…even if it only happens once. In my years of both personal experience and with other survivors; ITS *NEVER* ONLY ONCE!
Haley had some really great friends. They were determined to find her even if it meant breaking in by climbing in a window. God bless you girls. Sorry for the loss of your friend. 😢
The god that had all this in his divine plan from the start, created the killer and the victim, knowing full well what would happen and did NOTHING to stop it from happening? That god? That god that'll send the killer to heaven if he comes to jesus before he dies? That god?
Her mother has a great spirit, I couldn’t recover from that happening to my own daughter like she has. Great mom and lady, much respect and peace for you and your family!
@@rutrakainmeiez5107 Agreed, people make stupid choices then want you to feel sorry for them. She got with a dirty immigrant who is from a 3rd world country with no extradition laws. She was pretty enough to get with any nice America guy but nope I want a 5 foot tall latin lover lol
She wasn't brave. She paid a horrible price for being too trusting and too forgiving, thinking we can all be buddy-buddy. It's funny, because the mom wants more laws and to have the warning signs be taken more seriously as a preventative measure, yet her closing statement was it's a good thing to trust people. Sometimes people let their emotions get the better of them, and we should hold people accountable for those actions. Clearly he was very charming. But to turn a blind eye to having your tires slashed...well, what exactly do you advocate for?
@brandoncain5864 "Hayley's FAMILY. So brave. So strong." You've gone off on a tangent & who hurt you ?! Trust nobody. Everybody is evil. Whatever dude 😆
It's ironic justice that he ran away to Nicaragua thinking he was better off to only end up in Nicaraguan prison, which is a lot worse than prison in the US. Haley deserved a good and long life. Rest in peace, friend.
Dual citizenship back fire! Why does the US grant dual citizenship? Isn't the about defending the US from foreign or domestic 🤔 If Nicaragua fight US, Orlando would be required to take US but US granted him dual citizenship. Dual means 2, USA!
Love seeing Maria Elena Salinas reporting on 48 hours! She’s such an inspiration! Watched her on Univision growing up and now on my fav. Investigation channel.
It’s insane how his friends are defending him. Like you didn’t even know the dark side to him!! Narcissistic people are literally easy going at so nice at first. It isn’t until they can’t control you and are behind closed doors that they show their dark side.
Yeah, basically: "this person - [who I never personally rejected] - has never been mean to me personally!" 🤷🙃 > "Sooooo there's no way he would be mean to someone who he felt personally rejected by, behind closed doors..." 🙃 > _("And if he wasn't dumb enough to physically attack me in public then he's CLEARLY incapable of attacking his ex in private.")_
I don't feel the same way about his friends. From personal experience, I know it is very difficult when it comes to somebody you care about for a long time to accept something like this. In my case I couldn't accept the possibility for decades; when there were signs of problematic behavior in one of my sons. I just loved him too much and to me he was always the most amazing boy with all positive qualities. But people would mention things to me from time to time and I just rejected the idea. I wasn't until he actually turned on and criminalized me that I was shaken into acknowledging that part of his personality; which he never exposed to me before. And I know there are people who are quite malicious and evil minded but who work very hard to put on a completely different appearance. People do not really wear their true nature on their sleeves. People can be very deceptive. And we all have a tendencey to judge others on the basis of appearances. So they may say they don't believe it, but what they really mean is that it does not seem possible. This happened a long way from where they knew him. When people you trust really betray that trust and damage your life, it's very traumatic - and that happens. But right up to that moment, if somebody told you they were capable of that kindd of behavior, you absolutely would not believe it.
It doesn't matter if he was in his right mind. He murdered someone. You cannot force love. Love let’s go. My heart goes out to the parents and the young life that was taken to soon.
You would never hurt the one you love. Ever. He didn’t love her. He was mad that he didn’t get his way with her. He was a spoiled entitled narcissist. People like that need to be locked away for life, they’re a danger to society.
@@kadebebesis4204 they "dated" on and off for 1.5 yrs. when it was convenient for her, while also dating his frat buddy. she didnt deserve her outcome, but choices played a role. ladies, never play this game
She certainly didn't deserve to die, but people like this, who string along multiple partners, are playing with fire. Jealousy and rejection are real and dangerous emotions to be messing with. There are lots of crazy people out there. I don't know why people do it.
I understand your point - I really do. However, I’ll leave you with some food for thought: the show suggested she had clearly indicated she didn’t want to be in a serious relationship. So it’s unfair to characterize her as “stringing multiple people along.” A mature/healthy person, when told someone doesn’t want to be in a (serious) relationship, will weigh whether their expectations or desires align with the other persons and choose their actions accordingly. You are not “playing with fire” if you are being an authentic, self-aware and honest person while others choose to be obsessive, possessive, or codependent - crazy is on their side of the line in that case, not yours. That is an important distinction. That said, you ARE playing with fire when you allow people displaying those behaviors to stay in your life. Just my 2c. Be blessed and may none of us ever get entangled with crazy obsessive people.
The best thing stay a way from thus relationships, all religions forbid adultery before marriage , and it has always consequences, it's not in yr hind to choice serious or no serious because definitely the other part put his conditions Focus in yr education, stay with female friends , avoid bars in mixing withs guys, go to yr church , synagog or mosq , when u graduate u can look for men to marry ,maybe u meet worship place or at yr work@@turunturun
When Haley’s dad received her graduation diploma for her… something she worked so lovingly hard for…. That got me!!!!! That meant EVERYTHING to him! 🥺😭😭
Means everything, means nothing! Just a piece of paper! Her legacy of being nice to others matter more!! Orlando, dual citizenship (y? USA) punished him. Staying in US probably got him less punishment!! Hahaha 😆 Orlando!!
The fact that he never took responsibility for his actions says everything one needs to know about this pos! No remorse and no means of being apologetic to Haleys family is disgusting 😤
people like that never admit anything,,, it's a mental disorder and you have to see it in the actions. cutting tires with a knife is a very Violent message. The mental disorder is not something he will admit because he thinks only about himself. Like a very young and violent narcicist. There isn't a reason for somebody in this family for not stopping this.
@@JustMe-gs9xi I agree but cutting someone's tires is more than enough reason to be on high alert! After that, she should've never continued to see him let alone be alone with him. This again is a lesson to all who may experience the things she went through leading up to her last breath. Take one's unstable actions seriously and cut ties and definitely inform everyone in your circle and officials
The scariest thing that ever happened to me, was when my ex-bf tried to strangle me to death. He thought that he had killed me. I pretended to pass out and slowed my breakdown to almost nothing so he would believe I wasn't breathing. It saved my life. Listening to him try to decide what to do with my dead body was terrifying. I finally pretended to wake up and he hugged me and told me he was sorry. I knew he wasn't sorry, that he was sorry he thought he was about to go to prison.
I'm so sorry this happened to you and hope you are safe now... I've been choked and held down... It's a horrible scary feeling but you having to lay there while he was thinking about what to do with your body..... Omg
His friends …. I just can’t believe that they think he is innocent of this crime. He killed her because he couldn’t control her. It’s sad, and honestly, 30 yrs isn’t enough.
He killed her because he couldn't control her. That's true. And she got killed because she continued satisfying her lust with a mentally odd human. I don't think she wouldn't have realised that Orlando has odd personality
@@Arin9626 No, she got killed because he's a murderous demon spawn of a human. Nothing else. If you can think of a single thing you, personally, can do or say that warrants and justifies someone strangling the life out of you, please tell me. Cus that's what you're arguing.
As a hispanic raised in third world South America I was so shocked the Nicaraguan courts followed thru with the conviction. Latin American culture has this sorta flippant undercurrent that is based on some weird emotional loyalty, which is why I think this Orlando person was displaying this relaxed arrogance I’ve seen so many things swept under the rug where I’m from. Kudos to the Nicaraguan court system for standing objectively firm.
They will do this for the benefit of good liaisons with the U.S., I doubt they would've done it if it was a woman of their own.. but I'm willing to be proved wrong
Sadly there are many many bad and evil men in the world, and an equal number of Religions and National Attitudes towards women, totally run by "Men" that continue, without change. However, since "Men" "invented GOD" they figure that "they" are always RIGHT! It's always been a barbaric world run by prehistoric attitudes of men against women and also against peace in this world with humans, animals and our planet. Thousands of years, and NO Change for the better... "Don't hold your breath." Thanks for this post
Of course they did! The victim is American. 1) They don’t want to look bad in an international light and 2) they know the power balance here is the US has more power and will take additional steps if he wasn’t convicted
Haley’s friends are rockstars. Relentlessly tracking her and finding her body. We should all be so fortunate to have such devoted pals. So sorry for Haley’s parents and friends. Orlando belongs in prison long term; he has no remorse and has impulse control issues. BS about Orlando not remembering strangulating Haley. She is truly a free spirit now. RIP Haley.
I find it insane that the US has such awfull long sentences. And at the same time the US has MOST prisoners of ALL countries, relatively AND absolutely. Let that sink in. And yet you think you are doing good somehow. THATS insane.
No worries, 30 years in a Nicaraguan prison is like 3 lives in a US prison. He’s gonna pay one way or another if he even survives the first 5 years there. Also for the inmates he’s an outsider not a Nicaraguan he has an accent and his gonna be fresh meat. He’s gonna enjoy his stay a lot. Trust me 😊
Wow! Congratulations to the Judge who heard this horrible case. If Orlando had been contrite, crying, and apologetic he may have have gotten a lesser prison sentence. But he looked arrogant in court. The Mistreatment & abuse of women is bad enough in the US but in other countries the disrespect for woman is taken to en entirely different low. The judge recognized this fact and she made Orlando an example for her entire country. Kudos to her! ❤❤❤❤
those friends of his are in a crazy amount of denial. ive been so so effed up on drugs and alcohol that i could barely spell my own name and ive never even come close to putting my hands on a woman. Thats a ridiculous cop out and lack of accountability. glad he got 30 years. he should get 100 if it was possible.
How could his friends or anyone believe his innocence?!?! That’s absolutely insane! The evidence on him was VERY clear. He had numerous situations in front of other people showing obsessive and controlling behaviors. He seems like a spoiled child not getting his way and took someone’s life! What a psycho, I pray he gets all he deserves.
He needs to be taken out in prison. However let’s not act like Haley is innocent in this. She acted like a sl-t and couldn’t stop sleeping around. Which invited this monster into her life. Mind you, after he already acted crazy she still couldn’t keep her trap closed.
Super impressed w the women working in the Justice dept in Nicaragua who helped sentence a man in that country! My heart goes out to Haley’s parents siblings friends and all who loved her ♥️
I totally agree with you, indeed this is so sad, she definitely didn’t deserve this, no one has the right to take another persons life, this serial killers are so cold hearted. I pray God gives you lots of beautiful days, I’m David Greg originally from Spain Granada, I live in Austin Texas and you ?
I hope her mom can let go of the guilt. Even if Haley had pressed those charges, it doesn’t mean Orlando would’ve stopped. If anything it might have made him go over the edge sooner. Guilt is the worst thing we can carry, I truly hope she’s able to let that go ❤
That was my first thought, when she expressed guilt over not pushing her daughter to press charges, imo that would have only escalated his anger and vengeance in a much faster manner. Possessive, jealous people are soo dangerous and unpredictable. Rip Haley
Its very unlikely that filing charges would have actually done anything, they would have had to prove it... I had a situation once where a neighbor vandalized a storage container on the edge of my property. The cops were familiar with who we suspected had done it, and they didn't like him. But as much as they also believed he did it, it simply couldn't be proven....
If there's one thing we can learn from it, it's how fundamentally important it is to educate our children about the warning signs of coercive control and how to get away alive from people like this.
i swear they need to teach emotional intelligence classes from grade school thru high school. that will lay a good foundation for young people to understand emotions and manage them rationally, and i bet we will start seeing less domestic violence and tragedies like this one.
Sorry, they actively teach emotional fragility, victimhood, petite narcissism, and race/class/gender/etc division. All in the name of inclusion, equity, and other virtues of neomarxism.
@@5thdimension625 yet parents don’t do it. Parents don’t want schools to teach a lot of stuff, but then they won’t do it themselves. So when parents continue to be lazy the school has to step in for the sake of the kids
I am so impressed with how Nicaragua handled Haley's case. I worked with Latin America for many years and until today I had never heard of a similar court setup. I hope it is an example that other countries can follow. Rest in peace, Haley.
Femicide laws are grossly sexist and misandrist. And victims' families shouldn't even be in courtrooms. They heavily prejudice cases and ensure that they're decided on emotions instead of facts.
You can forget that. The entire world hates the US and the US is going down. Dont even get me started on the idiot remarks of the detective ('we dont have femicide', 'showcase trial', 'not like we do it', suggesting it is wrong somehow. "its not double jeopardy', it IS double jeopardy, etc and with his stupid ethnocentric expressions he damaged US position even more. If that is even possible at this time) US probably payed a good amount too.
Maria Elena Salinas did a great job at reporting this case . Love her professionalism . I see her on TV all the time , her and Jorge Ramos are my favorite ! Great job !
He remembers for sure, you can tell by his movements in and out of his apartment, his attempted suicide, and the letter he wrote oh and then him fleeing the country.
Being a young woman in this world is so very dangerous. On two occasions I nearly lost my life to men that I trusted. If it wasn’t them choosing to stop, and on the other occasion his brother intervening there’s no telling how far until they did stop. We have to keep ourselves protected against all men, always. This is such a tragic crime, senseless. She seemed like such a bright light that this world needs more of.
the fact that he's admitting to doing it but saying that he was not in his right mind. WHILE his friends and family are still delusional, believing that he didn't do it, is insane.
In Nicaragua, if a man kills a woman has no chance to be sentenced as Not guilty, the amazing thing was that even though Nicaragua has political issues with the US, the authorities cooperated with the case.
Here in Mexico the minimum is 40 to 60 years in prison for feminine, there is no light sentence on that. Hope that Haley's mom's can bring that law to the US.
That's not justice but I understand what you're saying! But 30 yrs is no justice for her family and friends because they'll never see or hear from her ever again but Orlando's family and friends will with him. You take a life, you should at least get life, PERIOD! As like most cases, the justice system let's us down and he'll be a free one day possibly committing another crime like this one! No one can comprehend usually what I'm saying unless it's your child like I've loss mind and in this case Haleys parents. My condolences 🙏
@@4evaolskool258 Haley and her family paid the price because Haley underestimated the risks of Satisfying her lust with a mentally odd human being. I don't think she wouldn't have realised that Orlando is odd human being. But that didn't stop her from having flings with him and that eventually led to her end.
"For awhile she kept distance from Orlando but despite warning's from her family and friends she eventually led him back into her life". Rules to live by, listen to the people that love you. So sad so young and all she wanted was to have fun and finished college, but you have to trust your gut, specially in this crazy world we are living. Stay safe everyone out there.
There’s no excuse for what he did, but it sounds like this girl was playing with two guys’ emotions too. If you get into a relationship with someone mentally unstable you are playing with fire, to mess around and play games with their emotions is to exponentially increase that risk. The cultural difference plays a part too, as far as I know Nicaragua is a fairly ‘machismo’ country where the men are superior, women are expected to be submissive and obedient. One has to be mindful of these things when choosing intimate partners…
María Elena and her crew are outstanding. They convinced the Nicaraguan justice system to try Orlando. Thanks, Nicaraguan justice system for trying and convicting Orlando. Rest in peace, Haley. My condolences to all of her loved ones. Orlando wasn't temporarily insane. He's a sociopath murderer.
This gives me nightmares as a parent of a young teen … There are monsters in hiding everywhere. Her friends were so brave and showed amazing dedication by going in looking for her… so sad they had to find her that way😢they all must must have been so scared.
I was a horrible husband. When my wife divorced me I lost my mind for a while. I thankfully didn't do anything physical or violent, didn't go too crazy other than, call and message her all the time but i was spiraling. She finally was able to get through to me and I am very fortunate that she did because, these things go bad and I don't ever want to have hurt anybody. If you are watching this and have any of these symptoms get help. I am divorced and that is okay.
I grew up near Binghamton and wasn’t living there at the time but I remember this happening. So tragic. Also these comments are not it. She was young and finding herself and so many people are blaming her. When you’re that age you don’t think that anything so horrible would actually happen to you. The only one to blame here is Orlando.
There is accountability on both sides love. Yes, Orlando is the guiltiest party here, and Haley was the victim. What he did defies logic or reason, and he is where he deserves to be. However, Haley made mistakes which may have costed her, her life. She serves as a beacon for the rest of us to not repeat the same mistakes she did.
Who would blame her? I didn't read the comments, but God, people need to get their heads on straight! Orlando is an over dramatic obsessive criminal. So typical 😠 I hope they give him death. He's also a typical coward. 🙄
He's a savage - plain and simple. And using the alcohol and drugs drfense is rubbish. If you know you cant handle alcohol or drugs - you shouldn't be imbibing it. He deserves life in jail. Wonderful Judge. ❤
idk how many viewers know of Maria Elena, the journalist who reported on this case in this ep of 48 Hours. but she is an actual legendary journalist in the Spanish speaking/ Latin American community. And all I got to say is... SHE STILLL got it!!
Women and all the people who are watching these shows need to recognize the signs of an obsessive person and take steps to protect the target. The slashing of the tires was a huge warning that he was capable of doing something much worse.
Stop blaming the victim. She was a young woman who was obviously smart and going somewhere in life. She mad the decision to not pursue the tire thing so that he didn’t get kicked out of school. She didn’t have a crystal ball. Yes women (& men to a lesser degree) have to be cautious but you also can’t live in a bubble. How about the men who knew this guy did that putting him in check? I’m so tired of things happening to women and they’re blamed not the worthless POS who hurt them.
@@mtz6198 Sorry. I was not trying to blame anybody. And I agree with you that men also need to look out for this kind of behavior and help protect women when these early warning signs show up. We should all work together to protect women from this kind of violence that happens all too often. I was nearly a victim of this twice myself when I was younger but I was lucky and got away.
This is way too sad. She deserved her life. Really commend the Mom - to not let it be in vain, what an incredibly strong woman. And how she says "I still think trusting others is a great quality," what an incredible example of an exceptional human being. Probably why Haley was a bouyant spirit as well. Im inspired in the midst of a great tragedy. may she rip and the family find healing in this life.
Sincere condolences to Haleys family, especially her mom. I can't imagine how much she's suffering. Rest in peace Haley, from a fellow nurse. You would have been an amazing one.
I ended a 7 years friendship because my male friend started acting weird towards me smh. I've been teaching my son that is now a teenager that nobody belongs to you. Sometimes you may have feelings for people that they don't have for you, and you must control your emotions when it comes to all situations in life. The only person that belongs to you is you.
Very well said, i always keep note of this when talking to new girls/people in general. I can't change how they feel about me, that's completely up to them, and to let it go. Everyone has a right to an opinion/preference. i don't have control over anyone and their feelings and that's fine.. it's just sad that some people resort to crazy stuff like this
Yep. That's it. As a man who has felt betrayed, jealous, etc., I had to keep my emotions in check. It wasn't easy. Heartache hurts, but all is fair in love and war and you just have to soldier on.
Men are never JUST FRIENDS with you. They will be your friend, but they ALWAYS want to be more (have sex with you). This took me until my 30s to finally come to terms with. I have more male friends than I can count and now I realize all of them wanted to have sex with me. I was too naive in my 20s to realize this, but now in my 30s I know they were just trying to get with me. You strung that guy along for 7 years, unknowingly and not your fault, but in his eyes you were probably doing it on purpose and he was getting impatient waiting on you to realize you were in love. Don't keep male "friends". That is dangerous. Unless they are friends with your boyfriend or husband first.
@@Janellabelle there ARE decent men out there and i myself have plenty of platonic relationships with female friends. i actually kinda use that as a gateway to meet more of their girlfriends who i may be sexually attracted to. and they get it. they pounce at the chance to be my wingwoman. but i’m also very picky as to which women i put on my tracklist. not ALL guys just want to have sex with any/every thing.
It's unbelievable how his friends from Nicaragua are defending that murderer. I get it, he is your friend, but saying he's innocent is crazy. They really need to wake up
He definitely remembers and knows what he did . She died of asphyxiation so if he really didn’t know what happened a normal reaction would to be to get her help when he realized she wasn’t responsive or possibly dead . He knew what he did because he even tried to hurt himself afterwards from the guilt. He just doesn’t want to take responsibility because people like him love themselves more than anyone else.
And imagine if he somehow DIDNT KNOW he would have been traumatized and not so calm about a dead gf in his bed. And the way his friends came off was gross toward the victims family.. maybe they meant they wouldn't have guessed he'd do that but it came off different. Even if you were not guilty who tf smirks AT ALL let alone the whole trial and this temporarily insane bs is exactly that, bs.! Wouldn't that just be super convenient but again u would freak out coming out of that state... And alcohol??? Gtfoh
@@ronalddeeble9938 I have blacked out before from anger seeing women getting abused and beat the snot out of the abuser. Animal abuse same thing. I literally black out. It's a form of a neurological problem, but I always remember towards the end and afterwards everything that occurred during. This dude isn't fooling anyone. He knew and planned exactly what he did. I hope he gets his in prison and his friends are just disgusting people
Plus he was going to be a nurse !!! Someone who knows how and does save lives , he could of brought her back called 911 an keep her alive till they got there , if it was in the heat of the moment or whatever , but he didn't do anything but poor me !! RIP Haley fly high angel ..sorry your life was taken in that way , ps...if some one is ever strangling v you poke there freaking eyes out they will let go ..god bless
Okay but the guys friends !!!???you can’t believe it was him!? Two people were at his home only one left alive she was found dead in HIS BED IN HIS APT!? and you’re still like “oh no couldn’t be him he was nice” tf usually the sickest ppl in the head are the most charming to people he wrote A WHOLE NOTE he fled the country and you don’t believe it!? They’re in some insane denial OMG 😅
Mom of a serial killer would also see him as a good son. They knew his one side that he was showing to them, not the other. Besides, I think that these friends from his motherland. So, after he went to the USA he possibly wasn't the guy they knew.
The saddest part to all this is they knew, the mother and Haley knew of Orlando's problem but Haley made the wrong choice of ignoring the obvious warning signs. She believed in the LIE that Orlando was a good person and would not harm her, and she decided that the problems she did witness were not as important as her so called perceptions of him being a good nurse. She didnt want him to be thrown out of Nursing school becuase of his poor choices. But this was NOT her decision to make, rather, her decision was to protect her life and her future. Orlando made the poor choices and needed to be held accountable for those choices. This is why I teach my daughter to IGNORE your feelings, ignore what you may believe about somone and LOOK at the behavior, look at what they are actually doing separate from what you feel and believe. I tell her that she is NOT responsible for the consequences of someone elses poor choices. Make your decisions based on the FACTS and do not allow your feelings to get in the way. Its the same problem with Orlando's friends in Nicaragua as they are only looking at their feelings and what they believe to be true versus the actual truth of Orlando's behavior.
The U.S. would've mistakenly gone way softer on Orlando than they should have. As a citizen, you hear about it all the time. I wish we'd take a lesson from other legal systems and be much harder on violent crimes.
Gave me chills when her mom said being quick to trust everyone was a good quality. After all what happened I'm surprised by it but I understand that she spoke to Hailey's purity. Trust violated should not be disregarded. Forgive but adjust accordingly. Trusting beyond red flags can cost you your life. RIP Hailey.
I agree! It does come from an innocence kids have but at some point you have to help them realize not all people are good. And even “good” people can do horrible things.
@carlosfrancis919, I literally got angry when she said that! What fool she is to teach your child to trust any and everybody! I told someone in another post of mines that I think not only is the killer a narcissist, but sometimes I think some of these victims are too! Just like that phrase that people often use after having a loved one murdered, oh! everybody loved her or him and one detective on a crime show said, well somebody didn't. I am sickened by people who say that because they really do think that everybody in this entire world has to like them or love them and that's an arrogant attitude that sometimes end up getting you killed! Even the bibles speak of us all having enemies! Everybody didn't love Jesus and he did no wrong, but he still had enemies! People sometimes say I don't have any enemies! Again, very arrogant and I say to them you might not have any that you know of, but you do have enemies!! I pick carefully the people I choose to associate with and who I choose to bring into my life! I examine them thoroughly by watching carefully what they say or do, and I mean this has to go on for years before I can totally accept you into my life! I'm an introvert and I don't like a lot of people around me any way. A lot of people have gotten mad when I have turned them away because God always give me this feeling when there is something wrong with that person, so I send them packing I don't care how mad they get! That's why I am this old and is still alive because I use common sense when it comes to dealing with human beings!
Unfortunately, it's harder to get out of abusive relationships so easily.. When you break up with an abusive partner it makes them lash out and more violent.
Idk how it wasnt obvious to his friends. This girl he had a romantic relationship with, where she rejects him, was found dead in his house... in his room... where he then literally jumps on a plane instantly while leaving her body in place and heads back to his home country. The contemporaneous security footage illustrates the timeline perfectly as well. His friends: "Na couldn't be him, he was cool in class back in the day."
They have a personal relationship with him and their own idea of the kind of person he is. Even with a timeline of that day, they are going to have trouble believing this boy they believe they knew to be a cold blooded murderer. They didn't know the victim. Most people are going to have a hard time wrapping their heads around that.
It was not a romantic relationship. It was a no strings attached relationship. Haley continued that relationship despite knowing that Orlando is a odd human being...to satisfy her lust...and that eventually led to her end...
@@Arin9626 stop blaming her you sick freak. The guy is a monster and he’s getting what he deserves in prison. Gorgeous woman didn’t deserve that ending.
It’s crazy to me how his friends only keep focusing on that one night as if he didn’t exude a pattern of possessive behavior. First showing up at her home numerous times unannounced, then slashing her tires all of this proves that his actions were premeditated. Not to mention he is a nursing student who studied the anatomy of the human body.
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Believe me, 30 years in a Nicaraguan or any other south- of -the -border jail, is like 60 elsewhere.
I believe he was truly jealous of her and envi d everything about her. Doreen Jones
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@@doreenkucek3508 ...I think that you have to consider that he's probably both Catholic and Latino and what that means. If she broke up with him then she didn't just "break his heart". She took his manhood, in the eyes of his family and friends.
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If your ex slashes your tires, displays violent behaviors, stalks you, etc..press charges, speak up, run. Do not let them back in.
Exactly
And when they threaten to off themselves let them. Better them then you. 🤷♀️💁♂️
This is so true! I moved far away to deter an abusive, hyper controlling ex. He still tried. Even 10 years after I moved away, he was still trying occasionally. It was a smart move to at least put geographic distance from him in place.
Facts! Been through barely survived it and I left. Never give a 2nd chance to someone your gut warns you about. It is not worth your life.
You're so right she didn't sound very upset when she saw what he had done either!
Those girls freaking tracked her phone and broke in to find her.... may we all be blessed with such excellent friends ❤️ Rip poor young woman
Excellent friends would surely do all they could to keep you alive. Anyone could find your body. 🤷♂️
Right. they're awesome
Those are true friends who have your back 💯%
I thought the same...why couldn't cops do that.
they were great friends, i haven´t even got one . i wish i had at least one of them as a friend.
It’s strange how much trust people put in believing that someone who is a “ Good Student” means that they are a good person.
It’s different in Nicaragua, it’s a very rough and dangerous place over there. He was probably an angel compared to everyone else they’ve seen on the streets
Like that guy who killed those four college students. Dude was getting his phd
yes that doesnt make sense ..
They are just summarising his character for the viewer. Good student, big drinker, enjoyed women how would you summarise?
Agree but same with singers who are famous, look at R Kelly..... and many more....Just because the music might be great doesn't mean the one who made the music is a good person
I'm Nicaraguan, and I really hope the family sees this. I know you guys wanted him to be extradited to the US but trust me, the prisons here are inhumane and he's definitely enduring more suffering than he would in a US prison.
I’m glad to know that, thank you.
You don’t flee to another country if you’re not guilty. He knows exactly what he did and how.
Right? Days from graduation from rigorous academia and soon-to-be good pay and then he goes to Nicaragua?
Well Said x
I flee to another country all the time
Yep, but that does not mean that he was not broken up by her rejecting him. I am not saying that makes what he did right, but that explains why he did it. Rejection is one of the most hurtful emotions that a person can experience.
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His friends literally made me feel sick to my stomach. I don’t care HOW good of a friend you are to me, or even if you’re my family member…if you take someone’s life like this, I’m not going to sit there and say you’re “innocent” and a “good person”
Exactly.
Right?? Unbelievable.
I agree. I can’t figure out if they are naive, stupid or equally as psychopathic. After all, birds of a feather flock together right?
@@carolinehoward180 half of me said 👍🏻the other half of me just felt bad about how betrayed they will feel when it sinks in. Unfortunately it takes a while before maturity to sink in and realize the bullet they all dodged themselves.
Lesson learned don't sleep around
He was grinning and acting cool during the court case. He really thought he was going free. It's great to see that smirk wiped off his face when he heard the outcome. RIP Hailey
I’m glad the judge didn’t buy it. I really believe she felt that she needed to protect her country from this killer and gave him the maximum. Knowing damn well that if she see him free he would have killed again. Bravo to this judge. Glad they appointed a female judge
Exactly. He was a young & troubled kid. I thought it shocking, that he looked arrogant in court, which was very very stupid of him, since the judge could easily see that he displayed ZERO remorse. (At least in the film clips.). The judge was wise to protect other women from him. Thirty years is a long long time in prison. I hope he learns a lot about compassion & humility while he’s there.
Nicaraguan judge seems understand mind of murderer better than judges in here US. It could be more heard from dependent side if it was in US court. I’m guessing. Sentencing by Nicaraguan court 30yrs seems fair to me. Top of that condition of Nicaraguan prison being very notorious that it was his dump move to flee to country of his birth when you’re committing crime like that.
@@janetpattison8474 *he wasn't a young and troubled kid. Just a horrible person who got mad because they couldn't own/control another person.
Next time don't ruin the ending for the rest of us
It’s so crazy to me that his friends are still defending him after he admitted. The way they say “it’s so sad to see my friend in jail”. I’m sure it’s a ton more devastating for the victims family is a lot more torn having to only see her grave.
Yup. His friends are subhuman
His friends are deluded
Yeah they suck.
What foolishness are you upto?
She wanted to be a loose woman. These are the consequences
I am so impressed by Nicaragua! The citizen who recognized him and reported it, them letting the American defense team be part of his trial, the judge letting her mother speak. I am so full of respect for all of those that helped Hailey, her friends and family get justice. Also 30 yrs in a Nicaraguan prison is way worse than 25- life here in America
*American prosecutors.
Yes I agree 💯 and may Haley Anderson RIP 💐
@@sdmsdm7926 Did that happen or did you say that COULD happen?
@@theitguy2731 he watches too many movies
@@magnumxlpi well unfortunately it is correct in a lot of these countries...but I doubt they would do that for some young kid who has nothing to offer the rich or government
The Nicaraguan judge has my respect and admiration. To Hailey's friends who risked their life to track down their friend, God knows we desperately need more people like you.
Something tells me that spending 30 years in a Nicaraguan prison is A LOT worse than spending 30 years in an American prison. :)
Yes. Even more if you know what the USA has done to their country.
Josie Artin & her other roommate Mishela Topalli.
I would say, it was a luck for he family, he have got a woman as a judge.
@@ChiefsFanInSCyeah forsho 😂💯
Orlando's friends are such airheads. I'm glad that the judge did her job and saw through his bs. Also, seeing Haley's dad receive her diploma absolutely broke my heart. I hope that he is surrounded by love :(
Yeah he probably lied to them. POS
Especially that one airhead. She needs a nice slap in the face to wake her up. She'd probably defend him if he tried to strangle her, too.
Airhead is the right term. My God they are in such denial. 🤦🏽♀️
They’re absolutely delusional. How is he innocent? He confessed, her body was found in his apartment and he immediately fled after she died. Not that hard to surmise
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Thank you Nicaragua and the Judge for showing such support and respect to our justice system.
Their own justice system did a fine job
@@SiGmund63 only because it was under media scrutiny
Her friends tracked her phone and broke in the window to find her! They're real friends, she was loved.
Yes they are great friends!! I can only imagine how long it would have took for someone to find her body if they didn't do that!!
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How were they able to track her phone?
@@be4202 likely location sevices? circles of friends do those kinds of things now-a-days. apps like find my phone allow you to add friends. when my truck broke down out of state, my wife was able to come directly to me.
@@be4202 if the gf was having issues with bf, it would make sense shed take precaution. hence the friends being on the same page and actually breaking in...as if they already knew.
It's hard for his friends to accept that he got 30 years?!? He took an entire life from Haley and her friends and family. He got a sweet deal if you ask me.
Exactly. He's lucky he didn't get death row or life.
30 years in a Nicaraguan prison is not a sweet deal. Prisons here in the US are bad enough. I can only imagine what lockup in Nicaragua must be like.
@@satinwhip he killed someone so he doesn't really deserve better than what he got. He is still breathing and his family can visit him still so he still gets it better than her and her family.
@@user-vz8ro6df9k Obviously he got what he deserved, still it's not a sweet deal, probably it's more than what he would get in the USA, plus the prisons are way worse there. It's good to see that running away to Nicaragua backfired on him in that way
He should have gotten life without parole!
My respect and recognition to the Nicaraguan judge that was able to see the whole picture without being intimidated and gave him the punishment he deserved.
True shout out to Nicaragua 🇳🇮 and the fine judges keep up the awesome job and blessing. Please keep that trash in prison if yall can for ever. So he won't cause any more grief to any family members in your country. Stay strong Nicaragua 🇳🇮.
@@BTKKILLER1 even more so, since Nicaragua is anything but a vasall to the States. the legal sysem works excellently. bad decision to return to his home country.
Boy, he will surely regret spending those 30 years in a Nicaraguan jail instead of spending that time in an American jail, where they would’ve given him cable, TV and air conditioning. He’s not gonna get anything other than heat and mosquitoes in that Nicaraguan jail.
Good thing he was prosecuted there. I don't think he would have gotten 30 years if he was tried in the US.
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I can't imagine the hole in her mother's heart, something no parent should ever have to dream of happening to their child. As a father of 2 young teenage boys..I don't think I'd be able to go on if I lost one, or both, I'd be done. Your strength is commendable.
It amazes me how all of the evidence is right in front of them and yet a friend of someone can still believe in their innocence because of the person “they knew”.
Exactly IQ problems
idem for me. Men still rule the world...
I don't care how deeply I love my friends who are amazing to me... wrong is wrong and there will always be consequences for your actions! They're all disgusting smh
It comes from the image we project on others throughtout our time with them. If you always looked at as a nice friendly person to everyone. That's how they see you and it's hard for them to see you as anything else. Image you find out that one of your parents are a serial killer. you would have a hard time believing it even with overwhelming evidence because that's not how you see them. And it works the same way with people you've come to trust.
It’s a hard pill to swallow. As you said, they are remembering the person they knew.
Even if he was insane at the time of the killing, he was perfectly sane when he bandaged his head and packed his bags, and left her body there to rot.
Depends on your definition of 'insane'.
Everyone is capable of killing, including you.
The way you put 'left her body there to rot' is also telling. Its never good, is it? Some killers try to hide the body and do all sorts of things to it, that desecrate the body.
This guy didnt and then you state 'left her to rot'. So what else should he have done? You do realize that a corpse WILL start to rot very soon, right?
@@StofStuiver why even comment ? You know what they meant.
Argue that in court A+ UA-cam defense council 🙄
You’re doing a good job 👍
And wrote a letter. Come on with the nonsense bruh. You are guilty. Man up
@@StofStuiver he could've gone to the police and say "i dont know what happened i woke up this morning and my friend was dead" instead of trying to khmself or FLEEING THE COUNTRY. He is guilty, and not insane, he KNOWS what he did and KNEW what he was doing.
@@Marsffect I wasnt saying he wasnt guilty.
I was pointing out that people generally have little to no clue what they are saying.
You cannot argue that someone is a psychopath AND say that he is sane.
I love that his attempt of running away from crimes got him the biggest sentence.
Im pretty sure money changed hands...
The US is a criminal empire.
Fleeing to Nicaragua to avoid US prison: 😁
Ending up in Nicaraguan prison: 😮
@@17thknightwhen you’re Nicaraguan it’s probably way more freedom and much better than American prison
You have to have respect for that court. With regards to his lawyer - if he wanted the lighter sentence from the US, then he shouldn't have fled.
As a Nicaraguan trust me you don’t want to go to jail in Nicaragua if you understand the system you will regret every minute of your life
i'm glad someone made a video of this. I am Orlando Tercero's niece and when this happened I was very unaware of this and my father always told me this about him. I always looked up to him growing up and curious of what really happened so again thank you for clearing this up.
His friends are DELUSIONAL!!! They weren’t there. When people are away from home, in a new place with freedoms, they can live double lives… I’ve seen it with my ex husband… it was scary. Before that I would swear up and down he would NEVER do that, or act “that” way… In this case I’m so glad justice prevailed. His friends need to put themselves in Hayley’s place. Btw, did you see his smirk as he was lead out of the court.
He was smiling not smirking. I don't know what for 30ys in jail. 😱
If you recognize that they may not know who he was in America how do you know that they’re delusional? all they know is the person that they knew
He probably told them what he wanted them to know but if they knew him as well as they said they did they might have noticed something not well in Orlando S M H
They are not delusional they are in denial. Life is not as important in poor 3rd world countries like this. It's parent syndrome, a Mother or Father usually will always say oh my son is innocent. Same with his friends and its one of their own against an American. To them he's innocent even if they know he's not.
no literally
“His friend said he was an excellent student” What in the heck does that have to do with anything?! 🥴
My thought exactly!!
You have to understand the culture when someone says excellent student.
It means that person is much brilliant and smart and they trust that person's judgement and mostly think that person can do more right than wrong.
Seriously the guy is a killer and yet they speaks so highly of him. Especially the girls.
I think they just mean that he seemed like a well rounded person and a good person and you just never know with people
The most delusional people ever heard of. They're honestly more delusional than his own parents. Like they're not safe to get behind the wheel with..
I find it disgusting that his female friends are saying he’s innocent even when he admitted he did it! Especially the one that basically blamed Haley for Orlando “loosing his mind” and murdering her. Just disgusting. They all acted like he was some gentleman and just snapped, what about the stalking and the slashed tires? He obviously had no remorse because he’s trying to get out.
Inferior low-lives. Genetic errors. Dangerous folks. Just like Orlando. Reduce their numbers.
Birds of a feather, His friends are 💩💩💩 too! He's just a scumbag who didn't want to take responsibility for his actions.
Male friend too
It totally is. It's totally disgusting
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My son just left for college at Bloomsburg University & i miss him so much even though he comes home every 2 weeks.
Hayley seemed so positive. I wish i was like that. 🙏
Hailey has a some really good friends. They tracked her phone down and even infiltrated the untrustworthy culprit's house. They risked their lives for her, and because of their efforts, she got justice.
Rest in peace to her. She may have been naive but she had a kind and innocent heart. I feel awful for her family and friends that miss her everyday, including Kevin.
But she make her own mistake for building intimate relationship with morw than one person. She create a disastrous recipe for herself.
@@borneandayak6725 what are you saying
@@alicia_nuchitta She did not have to die by any means. (It's very sad that she did) But she also did make some BAD decisions by sleeping with the both on them. And having a back and forth relationship with this creep.
@@tititte30 Thing is, we can all agree he may not have been a creep in the first place. He just became one because, well, that's what desperation can do. The more desperate you want of one thing, the more you learn that you are capable of doing unthinkable things.
This is a common theme for people who enjoy the priveledge of being in a friends with benefits type of relationship. Many people think they can play the game only for them to discover that they are too weak for the consequences of it.
She was lucky
His smugness at trial is so gross. I can understand why his friends at home are having such a hard time accepting their friend did this but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. It seems to me that following a failed suicide attempt he decided to flee with the belief he wouldn’t be caught. Haileys mom is such a strong woman, I can’t fathom her heartbreak. Nicaraguan authorities did a great job working with the US to bring justice to Haley’s family.
To be honest, his friends comments disgusted me. Their comments made it seem like they haven't looked into the case and all the evidence at all. Basically, everyone of them said "I could not imagine him doing something like that, so no, I strongly believe in his innocence no matter what". His former friends from Binghamton on the other hand - who actually experienced him and his behavior in the months before he became a killer - gave good insight into what kind of a person he apparently was.
.... didn't want to write that much but their comments triggered me so hard. 🙄
His friends appeared to be dummies
@@rbznde You should give benefit of doubt in this kind of situation. It's possible they didn't have all the information about the case, and very probable that they were manipulated by someone (like Trecero's parents, lawyers) to make this appearance, maybe in hope of sowing some doubt about the case to help future appeals.
@@rbznde If you were a Nicaraguan teen, you might very well believe your best friend (whom you know as a great guy) that he got scapegoated by the racist American system, and that's why all of a sudden he's on trial for murdering some American girl you've never heard of. He might tell you not to believe anything you read online, or hear on the news. He might beg you to trust in him, no matter what THEY tell you; after all - who do you trust? Your childhood best friend or the terrible system that suddenly imprisoned your innocent childhood best friend?
@@SasquachPLthe problem is they’re all basing it through their emotions!
Am I the only one that got sick to my stomach watching his friends defend him? He confessed in the note, then tried to avoid the consequences of his actions, first with that half-assed suicide attempt then by fleeing the country. And they're still like "he was nice to us and he was a good student (wtf?) so he should be let go". Abusers are evil, but enablers are just as bad. "Denial" isn't a defense when the facts are so damning and overwhelming.
I am so glad I am not the only one who believes enablers are just as bad. The sperm donor of my children beat me every day while pregnant. When I finally got the chance to leave him, I fled from Mississippi to Pennsylvania, where he still found me and jumped from behind a car and attacked me. The neighbors saw what was happening and called the police. He was still beating me when they arrived. His parents, my childrens grandparents defended him in court, saying he was a good person and made a "mistake" he only got four years. To this day, I can't even fathom how his parents saw all my abuse and the photos from the attack and decided he made a "mistake". They are just as bad as him.
@@deannalowman2299 I'm sorry that happened to you. Domestic abuse sentences in this country are a joke in most cases honestly. We have to be grateful we survived as many aren't so fortunate.
My ex always told me his friends *knew* he hit me and were ok with it. I thought that was just gaslighting, but it turns out some *did* know. They also knew that he'd beat his first wife as well (which I didn't find out till I'd left), and gave him a pass for that too. However, most of his friends didn't know, and they cut him off completely when I finally told them.
It's astounding how some people can overlook things that are obvious red lines to everyone else. Some consider enablers naive bystanders, but they most definitely are not. Enablers are participants in abuse. And abusers always seem to know who they can recruit and who they can't.
@@deannalowman2299 that mans pure evil. I hope things get better for you and that he gets what he deserves. ❤
@@deannalowman2299 Wow that is messed up. I hope things are better for you in PA. Good luck. I wish you the best, after all of that.
@@Libbathegreat The old boy network is strong in the USA. It is still a very patriarchal system, based on glorifying war and the warrior class. I am so sorry to hear that you had to suffer. I would have cut him off completely in that situation and would have tried to get you some help. I have a cousin who is a real assh*le. I spent a lot of time and money, helping his past 2 wives that he abused. It took a while to get him, but finally he is in prison where he belongs.
His friends: "He was a good student"... So WHAT?! he's still a murderer.😐
He. Was. Not any more. If is god student. Doesn’t mean. It’s. Good. Person
@@juanhilario3371You need to learn where to put periods in sentences bud.
Never give a bad person a second chance to hurt you again.
Woman’s worst attribute
Certainly he did a tremendous crime but why nobody talking about her on off relationships it’s crazy what is going on nowadays
Fool me once shame on YOU. Fool me twice shame on ME!
@@mistersquare7327 omg you should be in a mental hospital! Woman hater
@@dysonanspoznawczy7705 what's to talk about? She had made it clear she didn't want anything serious with him.
Yes she was playing with hearts, but that isn't a crime. She was open about the fact she was a free spirit, it was no secret. Her body, her choice.
Never ever, ever let an abuser back into your life! I have lived through this and I was lucky to escape with my life, so if you manage to kick an abuser out of your life, don't let them back in because you trust them! How can you trust someone who is spying on you and is crazy enough to slash your tires? Poor woman, she was destined for a great life which was taken by a jealous monster.
Me too, and each time I let him back in or tried to give him the benefit of the doubt…either me or our children paid dearly…we still are, even 12yrs after he OD’d on his favorite drugs, overseas. He’d kidnapped the children & fled overseas when he realized his families money and connections couldn’t save him from serious abuse and CM charges a neighboring State filed after the kids talked to authorities. My daughter can’t have children of her own bc of the damage he caused. My son is gone, partly because of what his “father” did.
These monsters destroy MANY lives and relationships. When an abuser, MALE OR FEMALE, PROMISES that “you’re going to pay for this for the rest of your life”-BELIEVE THEM!
I’m so sorry for Haley’s family; unfortunately, I know the pain of losing a child…especially during this time of year. I applaud the work her mother is doing. I ended up going into DV/SA counseling myself for over 20yrs; unfortunately, I can’t do it anymore. It’s both rewarding and depressing work because we STILL seem to keep taking steps forward; then leaps backward.
Abusers are often very cunning, very talented conmen and women who fool most people around them. When they have money and family connections..it’s even worse. PLEASE connect with a domestic violence organization or shelter…even if it only happens once. In my years of both personal experience and with other survivors; ITS *NEVER* ONLY ONCE!
Makes cent
Yeah... great life... trying to treat men like toys.
@@kevinknuckles25 you an incel?
"destined for a great life", I don't think so.
Haley had some really great friends. They were determined to find her even if it meant breaking in by climbing in a window.
God bless you girls.
Sorry for the loss of your friend. 😢
Godbless her friends and family!!! God works in mysterious ways....ones we don't comprehend.
Awesome friends. Very impressive young ladies.
The god that had all this in his divine plan from the start, created the killer and the victim, knowing full well what would happen and did NOTHING to stop it from happening? That god? That god that'll send the killer to heaven if he comes to jesus before he dies? That god?
@@justincredible. C'mon Justin these are obvious concerns. Christians have dealt with them in Jesus 101 class. They are obvious.
Her mother has a great spirit, I couldn’t recover from that happening to my own daughter like she has. Great mom and lady, much respect and peace for you and your family!
He kept smirking even when sentenced. My heart goes out to Haley’s parents and friends.💔
don't worry he will get his punishment out this world
Dont forget she chose the guy
@@rutrakainmeiez5107 what?? She didn't choose to be unalived. What are you a 10y/o??
@@principecaprincipeca2243 lol,always a victim 🤣🤦♂️
@@rutrakainmeiez5107 Agreed, people make stupid choices then want you to feel sorry for them. She got with a dirty immigrant who is from a 3rd world country with no extradition laws. She was pretty enough to get with any nice America guy but nope I want a 5 foot tall latin lover lol
It makes me angry when that murdering monster is defended by his friends. My heart goes out to Haley's family. So brave. So strong ❤
Oh come on fool! Ho paid the price …chill ! poor guy is the victim
She wasn't brave. She paid a horrible price for being too trusting and too forgiving, thinking we can all be buddy-buddy. It's funny, because the mom wants more laws and to have the warning signs be taken more seriously as a preventative measure, yet her closing statement was it's a good thing to trust people. Sometimes people let their emotions get the better of them, and we should hold people accountable for those actions. Clearly he was very charming. But to turn a blind eye to having your tires slashed...well, what exactly do you advocate for?
@brandoncain5864 "Hayley's FAMILY. So brave. So strong." You've gone off on a tangent
& who hurt you ?! Trust nobody. Everybody is evil.
Whatever dude 😆
@@bjh7924 Yeah, okay, my bad; I glossed over that one.
his mother covered for him as well!
It's ironic justice that he ran away to Nicaragua thinking he was better off to only end up in Nicaraguan prison, which is a lot worse than prison in the US. Haley deserved a good and long life. Rest in peace, friend.
I doubt he’ll be in prison for long, if his family has money , I’m sure they’ll pay for his release.
@@didasenga9397 that would look really bad politically for such a high profile case
Yep! Justice won the day! He can try to hide but justice caught up with him. Now he's in a worse place
@@elijahfoster2 it happens all the time, if it’s ever discovered they’ll just throw some guard under the bus and make something up
Dual citizenship back fire! Why does the US grant dual citizenship? Isn't the about defending the US from foreign or domestic 🤔
If Nicaragua fight US, Orlando would be required to take US but US granted him dual citizenship. Dual means 2, USA!
Love seeing Maria Elena Salinas reporting on 48 hours! She’s such an inspiration! Watched her on Univision growing up and now on my fav. Investigation channel.
It’s insane how his friends are defending him. Like you didn’t even know the dark side to him!! Narcissistic people are literally easy going at so nice at first. It isn’t until they can’t control you and are behind closed doors that they show their dark side.
Really though!!
Exactamente !!!
That's what those people do, and Biden is letting them in across the border for free.
Yeah, basically: "this person - [who I never personally rejected] - has never been mean to me personally!" 🤷🙃
> "Sooooo there's no way he would be mean to someone who he felt personally rejected by, behind closed doors..." 🙃
> _("And if he wasn't dumb enough to physically attack me in public then he's CLEARLY incapable of attacking his ex in private.")_
I don't feel the same way about his friends. From personal experience, I know it is very difficult when it comes to somebody you care about for a long time to accept something like this. In my case I couldn't accept the possibility for decades; when there were signs of problematic behavior in one of my sons. I just loved him too much and to me he was always the most amazing boy with all positive qualities. But people would mention things to me from time to time and I just rejected the idea. I wasn't until he actually turned on and criminalized me that I was shaken into acknowledging that part of his personality; which he never exposed to me before. And I know there are people who are quite malicious and evil minded but who work very hard to put on a completely different appearance. People do not really wear their true nature on their sleeves. People can be very deceptive. And we all have a tendencey to judge others on the basis of appearances. So they may say they don't believe it, but what they really mean is that it does not seem possible. This happened a long way from where they knew him. When people you trust really betray that trust and damage your life, it's very traumatic - and that happens. But right up to that moment, if somebody told you they were capable of that kindd of behavior, you absolutely would not believe it.
It doesn't matter if he was in his right mind. He murdered someone. You cannot force love. Love let’s go. My heart goes out to the parents and the young life that was taken to soon.
You would never hurt the one you love. Ever. He didn’t love her. He was mad that he didn’t get his way with her. He was a spoiled entitled narcissist. People like that need to be locked away for life, they’re a danger to society.
@@kadebebesis4204 they "dated" on and off for 1.5 yrs. when it was convenient for her, while also dating his frat buddy. she didnt deserve her outcome, but choices played a role. ladies, never play this game
@@iggypopisgod9its ok for men lol
30 years definitely isn’t enough for Haley. But, thankful that this country secured justice for this beautiful girl.
I don’t see a beautiful girl, I see a floosie
@@billyaubin5360 ….ok
@@billyaubin5360 Glad somebody said it.
@@billyaubin5360 she slept around would've happened eventually even if it wasn't Orlando shed play with too many guys feelings.
@@tylerjeb7888 right she wanted the d and didn't want to commit to a relationship cuz she loved sleeping around
She certainly didn't deserve to die, but people like this, who string along multiple partners, are playing with fire. Jealousy and rejection are real and dangerous emotions to be messing with. There are lots of crazy people out there. I don't know why people do it.
I understand your point - I really do. However, I’ll leave you with some food for thought: the show suggested she had clearly indicated she didn’t want to be in a serious relationship. So it’s unfair to characterize her as “stringing multiple people along.” A mature/healthy person, when told someone doesn’t want to be in a (serious) relationship, will weigh whether their expectations or desires align with the other persons and choose their actions accordingly. You are not “playing with fire” if you are being an authentic, self-aware and honest person while others choose to be obsessive, possessive, or codependent - crazy is on their side of the line in that case, not yours. That is an important distinction. That said, you ARE playing with fire when you allow people displaying those behaviors to stay in your life. Just my 2c. Be blessed and may none of us ever get entangled with crazy obsessive people.
@@turunturun What an insightful and brilliant assessment of Haley's situation! Thank you.
@@carlafa3you’re welcome and thank you for your kind words :) be blessed
The best thing stay a way from thus relationships, all religions forbid adultery before marriage , and it has always consequences, it's not in yr hind to choice serious or no serious because definitely the other part put his conditions
Focus in yr education, stay with female friends , avoid bars in mixing withs guys, go to yr church , synagog or mosq , when u graduate u can look for men to marry ,maybe u meet worship place or at yr work@@turunturun
When Haley’s dad received her graduation diploma for her… something she worked so lovingly hard for…. That got me!!!!! That meant EVERYTHING to him! 🥺😭😭
Me too
Now he “has a part of her with him” 😢
Yeah, that was rough.
Means everything, means nothing! Just a piece of paper! Her legacy of being nice to others matter more!!
Orlando, dual citizenship (y? USA) punished him. Staying in US probably got him less punishment!! Hahaha 😆 Orlando!!
Me too
The fact that he never took responsibility for his actions says everything one needs to know about this pos! No remorse and no means of being apologetic to Haleys family is disgusting 😤
people like that never admit anything,,, it's a mental disorder and you have to see it in the actions. cutting tires with a knife is a very Violent message. The mental disorder is not something he will admit because he thinks only about himself. Like a very young and violent narcicist. There isn't a reason for somebody in this family for not stopping this.
@@JustMe-gs9xi I agree but cutting someone's tires is more than enough reason to be on high alert! After that, she should've never continued to see him let alone be alone with him. This again is a lesson to all who may experience the things she went through leading up to her last breath. Take one's unstable actions seriously and cut ties and definitely inform everyone in your circle and officials
The scariest thing that ever happened to me, was when my ex-bf tried to strangle me to death. He thought that he had killed me. I pretended to pass out and slowed my breakdown to almost nothing so he would believe I wasn't breathing. It saved my life. Listening to him try to decide what to do with my dead body was terrifying. I finally pretended to wake up and he hugged me and told me he was sorry. I knew he wasn't sorry, that he was sorry he thought he was about to go to prison.
I'm so sorry this happened to you and hope you are safe now... I've been choked and held down... It's a horrible scary feeling but you having to lay there while he was thinking about what to do with your body..... Omg
Wow that's fuct up
Oh my god..! I can only wish the best for you... And of course he wasn't sorry.. He was f... relieved girl.. Hope you reported him... Stay safe
I bet he was tall dark and handsome tho huh? Maybe a bad boy skater? BBC😂
Sounds made up story to me.
I hope anyone around Haley's age watching this learns from her. If your ex slashes your car tires or stalks you, don't ever go back them.
U jealous and desperate Danny coz you're single 😂
His friends …. I just can’t believe that they think he is innocent of this crime. He killed her because he couldn’t control her. It’s sad, and honestly, 30 yrs isn’t enough.
Agreed
He killed her because he couldn't control her. That's true. And she got killed because she continued satisfying her lust with a mentally odd human. I don't think she wouldn't have realised that Orlando has odd personality
Yes, and she insulted his sense of masculinity & damaged his ego.
@@Arin9626 No, she got killed because he's a murderous demon spawn of a human. Nothing else.
If you can think of a single thing you, personally, can do or say that warrants and justifies someone strangling the life out of you, please tell me. Cus that's what you're arguing.
@Brian Keith Bessesen Okay My Lord
As a hispanic raised in third world South America I was so shocked the Nicaraguan courts followed thru with the conviction. Latin American culture has this sorta flippant undercurrent that is based on some weird emotional loyalty, which is why I think this Orlando person was displaying this relaxed arrogance I’ve seen so many things swept under the rug where I’m from. Kudos to the Nicaraguan court system for standing objectively firm.
They will do this for the benefit of good liaisons with the U.S., I doubt they would've done it if it was a woman of their own.. but I'm willing to be proved wrong
Sadly there are many many bad and evil men in the world, and an equal number of Religions and National Attitudes towards women, totally run by "Men" that continue, without change. However, since "Men" "invented GOD" they figure that "they" are always RIGHT! It's always been a barbaric world run by prehistoric attitudes of men against women and also against peace in this world with humans, animals and our planet. Thousands of years, and NO Change for the better... "Don't hold your breath." Thanks for this post
Odds are they demanded some money
I’m surprised they didn’t throw him a parade for killing a white American woman.
Of course they did! The victim is American. 1) They don’t want to look bad in an international light and 2) they know the power balance here is the US has more power and will take additional steps if he wasn’t convicted
Haley’s friends are rockstars. Relentlessly tracking her and finding her body. We should all be so fortunate to have such devoted pals. So sorry for Haley’s parents and friends.
Orlando belongs in prison long term; he has no remorse and has impulse control issues. BS about Orlando not remembering strangulating Haley. She is truly a free spirit now. RIP Haley.
Unfortunate but her hoping back and forth between the 2 says alot about her and where her mind was
The moment of graduation got me into tears. No parent should have to go through that pain. My heart goes out to them
Oh come on fool! Ho paid the price …chill ! poor guy is the victim
@@cv8692is that you, Orlando?
I find it insane that anyone who maliciously takes someone's life would get anything lighter than life in person
Right? Like how does that even make sense.
I find it insane that the US has such awfull long sentences.
And at the same time the US has MOST prisoners of ALL countries, relatively AND absolutely. Let that sink in.
And yet you think you are doing good somehow. THATS insane.
No worries, 30 years in a Nicaraguan prison is like 3 lives in a US prison. He’s gonna pay one way or another if he even survives the first 5 years there. Also for the inmates he’s an outsider not a Nicaraguan he has an accent and his gonna be fresh meat. He’s gonna enjoy his stay a lot. Trust me 😊
Should be "anything lighter than death penalty"
Wow! Congratulations to the Judge who heard this horrible case. If Orlando had been contrite, crying, and apologetic he may have have gotten a lesser prison sentence. But he looked arrogant in court. The Mistreatment & abuse of women is bad enough in the US but in other countries the disrespect for woman is taken to en entirely different low. The judge recognized this fact and she made Orlando an example for her entire country. Kudos to her! ❤❤❤❤
Domestic violence and violence against women knows no bounds. It’s not limited to any culture or race.
You people are insane.
Hailey was using men for sex. That’s a dangerous game.
those friends of his are in a crazy amount of denial. ive been so so effed up on drugs and alcohol that i could barely spell my own name and ive never even come close to putting my hands on a woman. Thats a ridiculous cop out and lack of accountability. glad he got 30 years. he should get 100 if it was possible.
How could his friends or anyone believe his innocence?!?! That’s absolutely insane! The evidence on him was VERY clear. He had numerous situations in front of other people showing obsessive and controlling behaviors. He seems like a spoiled child not getting his way and took someone’s life! What a psycho, I pray he gets all he deserves.
He needs to be taken out in prison. However let’s not act like Haley is innocent in this. She acted like a sl-t and couldn’t stop sleeping around. Which invited this monster into her life. Mind you, after he already acted crazy she still couldn’t keep her trap closed.
Exactly. His friends are delusional but I wouldn’t expect anything less with such soft spoken people in this generation.
@@Micha3lHinrichswhat do you mean soft spoken people?
Seems like she went to college to sleep around
@@FlowerItzel18 I mean weak and feeble. Just how I would assume you are for asking that ridiculous question. Nobody is out to get you.
Super impressed w the women working in the Justice dept in Nicaragua who helped sentence a man in that country! My heart goes out to Haley’s parents siblings friends and all who loved her ♥️
Holy yup, these are the kinda friends we all need. They tracked her phone and went thru dudes window in pursuit... that's my girls!
I totally agree with you, indeed this is so sad, she definitely didn’t deserve this, no one has the right to take another persons life, this serial killers are so cold hearted. I pray God gives you lots of beautiful days, I’m David Greg originally from Spain Granada, I live in Austin Texas and you ?
If Haley didn’t want to play around, and take relationship seriously, this will never happen.
I hope her mom can let go of the guilt. Even if Haley had pressed those charges, it doesn’t mean Orlando would’ve stopped. If anything it might have made him go over the edge sooner.
Guilt is the worst thing we can carry, I truly hope she’s able to let that go ❤
Yes, I really liked her mother. Her tears were so heartfelt.
That was my first thought, when she expressed guilt over not pushing her daughter to press charges, imo that would have only escalated his anger and vengeance in a much faster manner. Possessive, jealous people are soo dangerous and unpredictable. Rip Haley
Its very unlikely that filing charges would have actually done anything, they would have had to prove it... I had a situation once where a neighbor vandalized a storage container on the edge of my property. The cops were familiar with who we suspected had done it, and they didn't like him. But as much as they also believed he did it, it simply couldn't be proven....
If there's one thing we can learn from it, it's how fundamentally important it is to educate our children about the warning signs of coercive control and how to get away alive from people like this.
If only she just stayed loyal to her actual bf and didnt want to go around hooking up with random guys from her college.
i swear they need to teach emotional intelligence classes from grade school thru high school. that will lay a good foundation for young people to understand emotions and manage them rationally, and i bet we will start seeing less domestic violence and tragedies like this one.
Sorry, they actively teach emotional fragility, victimhood, petite narcissism, and race/class/gender/etc division. All in the name of inclusion, equity, and other virtues of neomarxism.
This is the job of parents. Not schools.
@@5thdimension625 yet parents don’t do it. Parents don’t want schools to teach a lot of stuff, but then they won’t do it themselves. So when parents continue to be lazy the school has to step in for the sake of the kids
@@5thdimension625 Many parents are not capable of teaching that. It’s a complex topic that many people don’t understand, even when they are adults.
I think that’s a great idea!
I am so impressed with how Nicaragua handled Haley's case. I worked with Latin America for many years and until today I had never heard of a similar court setup. I hope it is an example that other countries can follow. Rest in peace, Haley.
The judge was not gonna let is slide..
Femicide laws are grossly sexist and misandrist. And victims' families shouldn't even be in courtrooms. They heavily prejudice cases and ensure that they're decided on emotions instead of facts.
@@ingridakerblom7577 Why would they? lol
Justice was served
You can forget that. The entire world hates the US and the US is going down.
Dont even get me started on the idiot remarks of the detective ('we dont have femicide', 'showcase trial', 'not like we do it', suggesting it is wrong somehow. "its not double jeopardy', it IS double jeopardy, etc and with his stupid ethnocentric expressions he damaged US position even more. If that is even possible at this time)
US probably payed a good amount too.
Wonderful Judge.
Maria Elena Salinas did a great job at reporting this case . Love her professionalism . I see her on TV all the time , her and Jorge Ramos are my favorite ! Great job !
I'll take both of them over Maria Celeste Arraras.
I would had given him 60 years if it were to be in my hands. I'm glad her family got some justice.
A strong hug from Mexico.
How hung?
😏
❤️
Unfortunately that was the max there. I'm shocked his friends think it's to much time. He murdered someone smh
Not 60..He deserved the death penalty
Life sentence😮😮😮
He remembers for sure, you can tell by his movements in and out of his apartment, his attempted suicide, and the letter he wrote oh and then him fleeing the country.
Being a young woman in this world is so very dangerous. On two occasions I nearly lost my life to men that I trusted. If it wasn’t them choosing to stop, and on the other occasion his brother intervening there’s no telling how far until they did stop. We have to keep ourselves protected against all men, always. This is such a tragic crime, senseless. She seemed like such a bright light that this world needs more of.
the fact that he's admitting to doing it but saying that he was not in his right mind. WHILE his friends and family are still delusional, believing that he didn't do it, is insane.
I love that he thought he was running home to escape punishment and ended up getting it worse than he would have gotten here in the US.
In Nicaragua, if a man kills a woman has no chance to be sentenced as Not guilty, the amazing thing was that even though Nicaragua has political issues with the US, the authorities cooperated with the case.
I sure hope he enjoys rice and beans!
Here in Mexico the minimum is 40 to 60 years in prison for feminine, there is no light sentence on that. Hope that Haley's mom's can bring that law to the US.
I'm so happy for the mother who lost her daughter and got justice a half a world away.!!
Nicaragua is continentally attached to the US
That's not justice but I understand what you're saying! But 30 yrs is no justice for her family and friends because they'll never see or hear from her ever again but Orlando's family and friends will with him. You take a life, you should at least get life, PERIOD! As like most cases, the justice system let's us down and he'll be a free one day possibly committing another crime like this one! No one can comprehend usually what I'm saying unless it's your child like I've loss mind and in this case Haleys parents. My condolences 🙏
@@4evaolskool258 I so agree. They can still visit their son and hold him and talk to him. I’m so sorry for the loss of your daughter.
@@medranochav 😂😂😂 I’m screaming
@@4evaolskool258 Haley and her family paid the price because Haley underestimated the risks of Satisfying her lust with a mentally odd human being. I don't think she wouldn't have realised that Orlando is odd human being. But that didn't stop her from having flings with him and that eventually led to her end.
They started off painting her as this nice girl who was friendly etc and then we hear she was bascially toying with men.
"For awhile she kept distance from Orlando but despite warning's from her family and friends she eventually led him back into her life". Rules to live by, listen to the people that love you. So sad so young and all she wanted was to have fun and finished college, but you have to trust your gut, specially in this crazy world we are living. Stay safe everyone out there.
She asked for it per se..
Her lifestyle is not wat can be called morally upright of our children....period
Red flags are red for a reason
@@kelvinpragassa4871 she is the victim here. No behaviour can justify someone killing another person. She did NOT ask for it.
@@kelvinpragassa4871Red pill speach.
Not only that…she had a boyfriend and had been sleeping with another guy. Being a “free spirit” can really cause these consequences…
@@ivannatereshchuk1663 evil people, killers, cause these consequences.
Heart breaking to see Haleys mother speak ...I hope she finds some peace in her life
How would these “friends” have felt if it had been one of them?? I bet they think they think Haley was the bad one.
There’s no excuse for what he did, but it sounds like this girl was playing with two guys’ emotions too. If you get into a relationship with someone mentally unstable you are playing with fire, to mess around and play games with their emotions is to exponentially increase that risk. The cultural difference plays a part too, as far as I know Nicaragua is a fairly ‘machismo’ country where the men are superior, women are expected to be submissive and obedient. One has to be mindful of these things when choosing intimate partners…
Orlando looks like he’s about 9 years old, and apparently he’s no smarter than that.
My exact thought😂and wondered what about Haley liked grosssss
Who would be attractive to this child looking guy. Its really sad. Hailey was a beautiful lady.. just unbelievable. 🙏🕊
María Elena and her crew are outstanding.
They convinced the Nicaraguan justice system to try Orlando.
Thanks, Nicaraguan justice system for trying and convicting Orlando.
Rest in peace, Haley.
My condolences to all of her loved ones.
Orlando wasn't temporarily insane.
He's a sociopath murderer.
This gives me nightmares as a parent of a young teen … There are monsters in hiding everywhere. Her friends were so brave and showed amazing dedication by going in looking for her… so sad they had to find her that way😢they all must must have been so scared.
She went back to talk to the creep. Parents can do only so much, their children have to cooperate as well.
gps
buy her a glock, and teach her to always be aware and know how to use it.
I don't think Haley didn't realize that Orlando is a odd human. But she continued to satisfy her lust with him and that was the cause of her end.
Love and jealousy are very strong emotions
Beautiful Angel..Haley's kindness comes through the pictures and videos of her. RIP
I was a horrible husband. When my wife divorced me I lost my mind for a while. I thankfully didn't do anything physical or violent, didn't go too crazy other than, call and message her all the time but i was spiraling. She finally was able to get through to me and I am very fortunate that she did because, these things go bad and I don't ever want to have hurt anybody. If you are watching this and have any of these symptoms get help. I am divorced and that is okay.
Kudos to you for admitting your issues! Great insight
So I am a woman and I did the same to my ex husband as you did to your ex wife. From one pothead to another: we are ok. 🧚♀️
That’s awesome that you admit how you really felt! Sounds like you had a wonderful Wife! Good luck to you!
I am proud of you.
@@lg4777 I'm sorry you went through all that. I hope you are ok now.
If he woke up and found his girlfriend dead and didn't know what happened, he would call the police asap. This is how you know he's lying
not necessarily.
I grew up near Binghamton and wasn’t living there at the time but I remember this happening. So tragic. Also these comments are not it. She was young and finding herself and so many people are blaming her. When you’re that age you don’t think that anything so horrible would actually happen to you. The only one to blame here is Orlando.
Yeah he's a real P.O.S wow I'm a guy but I feel bad for how hard it has to be as a woman in this world. Peace
Yes, he’s responsible for his actions, but she’s also responsible for hers. She made every wrong decision every step of the way.
There is accountability on both sides love. Yes, Orlando is the guiltiest party here, and Haley was the victim. What he did defies logic or reason, and he is where he deserves to be. However, Haley made mistakes which may have costed her, her life. She serves as a beacon for the rest of us to not repeat the same mistakes she did.
Exactly. When you were young you'd take chances because you think you'll live forever.
Who would blame her? I didn't read the comments, but God, people need to get their heads on straight! Orlando is an over dramatic obsessive criminal. So typical 😠 I hope they give him death. He's also a typical coward. 🙄
He's a savage - plain and simple. And using the alcohol and drugs drfense is rubbish. If you know you cant handle alcohol or drugs - you shouldn't be imbibing it. He deserves life in jail. Wonderful Judge. ❤
idk how many viewers know of Maria Elena, the journalist who reported on this case in this ep of 48 Hours. but she is an actual legendary journalist in the Spanish speaking/ Latin American community. And all I got to say is... SHE STILLL got it!!
I’ve watched her several times. I think she’s a great journalist.
I loved her! I hope to see many more stories from her.
Ma. Elena is so talented & beautiful
No, there is no way a person could not remember such a violent encounter. The intensity of that situation would be unforgettable.
He playing obviously! This guy new when to pack his suitcase and get out!
Trying to get off with the insanity defense
Women and all the people who are watching these shows need to recognize the signs of an obsessive person and take steps to protect the target. The slashing of the tires was a huge warning that he was capable of doing something much worse.
Stop blaming the victim. She was a young woman who was obviously smart and going somewhere in life. She mad the decision to not pursue the tire thing so that he didn’t get kicked out of school.
She didn’t have a crystal ball. Yes women (& men to a lesser degree) have to be cautious but you also can’t live in a bubble.
How about the men who knew this guy did that putting him in check? I’m so tired of things happening to women and they’re blamed not the worthless POS who hurt them.
@@mtz6198 You clearly lack comprehension, that comment isn't victim blaming, they are saying be cautious and look for signs of a psycho 🙄
Thank You!!! For your reminders!! Time for violence against women to end!
@@mtz6198 so true!!! Check!!!
@@mtz6198 Sorry. I was not trying to blame anybody. And I agree with you that men also need to look out for this kind of behavior and help protect women when these early warning signs show up. We should all work together to protect women from this kind of violence that happens all too often. I was nearly a victim of this twice myself when I was younger but I was lucky and got away.
This is way too sad. She deserved her life. Really commend the Mom - to not let it be in vain, what an incredibly strong woman. And how she says "I still think trusting others is a great quality," what an incredible example of an exceptional human being. Probably why Haley was a bouyant spirit as well. Im inspired in the midst of a great tragedy. may she rip and the family find healing in this life.
Sincere condolences to Haleys family, especially her mom. I can't imagine how much she's suffering. Rest in peace Haley, from a fellow nurse. You would have been an amazing one.
Yes, hearing this is some other corner of the world...offer sympathies for the unhealing wound..!
I ended a 7 years friendship because my male friend started acting weird towards me smh. I've been teaching my son that is now a teenager that nobody belongs to you. Sometimes you may have feelings for people that they don't have for you, and you must control your emotions when it comes to all situations in life. The only person that belongs to you is you.
Very well said, i always keep note of this when talking to new girls/people in general. I can't change how they feel about me, that's completely up to them, and to let it go. Everyone has a right to an opinion/preference. i don't have control over anyone and their feelings and that's fine.. it's just sad that some people resort to crazy stuff like this
Surprised this comment isn't leading the likes for the video.
Yep. That's it. As a man who has felt betrayed, jealous, etc., I had to keep my emotions in check. It wasn't easy. Heartache hurts, but all is fair in love and war and you just have to soldier on.
Men are never JUST FRIENDS with you. They will be your friend, but they ALWAYS want to be more (have sex with you). This took me until my 30s to finally come to terms with. I have more male friends than I can count and now I realize all of them wanted to have sex with me. I was too naive in my 20s to realize this, but now in my 30s I know they were just trying to get with me. You strung that guy along for 7 years, unknowingly and not your fault, but in his eyes you were probably doing it on purpose and he was getting impatient waiting on you to realize you were in love. Don't keep male "friends". That is dangerous. Unless they are friends with your boyfriend or husband first.
@@Janellabelle there ARE decent men out there and i myself have plenty of platonic relationships with female friends. i actually kinda use that as a gateway to meet more of their girlfriends who i may be sexually attracted to. and they get it. they pounce at the chance to be my wingwoman. but i’m also very picky as to which women i put on my tracklist. not ALL guys just want to have sex with any/every thing.
It's unbelievable how his friends from Nicaragua are defending that murderer. I get it, he is your friend, but saying he's innocent is crazy. They really need to wake up
He definitely remembers and knows what he did . She died of asphyxiation so if he really didn’t know what happened a normal reaction would to be to get her help when he realized she wasn’t responsive or possibly dead . He knew what he did because he even tried to hurt himself afterwards from the guilt. He just doesn’t want to take responsibility because people like him love themselves more than anyone else.
And imagine if he somehow DIDNT KNOW he would have been traumatized and not so calm about a dead gf in his bed. And the way his friends came off was gross toward the victims family.. maybe they meant they wouldn't have guessed he'd do that but it came off different. Even if you were not guilty who tf smirks AT ALL let alone the whole trial and this temporarily insane bs is exactly that, bs.! Wouldn't that just be super convenient but again u would freak out coming out of that state... And alcohol??? Gtfoh
@@ronalddeeble9938 I have blacked out before from anger seeing women getting abused and beat the snot out of the abuser. Animal abuse same thing. I literally black out. It's a form of a neurological problem, but I always remember towards the end and afterwards everything that occurred during. This dude isn't fooling anyone. He knew and planned exactly what he did. I hope he gets his in prison and his friends are just disgusting people
Of course his guilt is obvious.
Plus he was going to be a nurse !!! Someone who knows how and does save lives , he could of brought her back called 911 an keep her alive till they got there , if it was in the heat of the moment or whatever , but he didn't do anything but poor me !! RIP Haley fly high angel ..sorry your life was taken in that way , ps...if some one is ever strangling v you poke there freaking eyes out they will let go ..god bless
@@larondalawvere2646 Good point.
Another tragic case. 😢 Thankfully there are detectives like this who solve the crimes.
His friends are delusional. It's completely obvious that he was the one that committed the crime I don't understand how that's even debatable
Thank 😅
It didn't take a "detective" to figure this one out. Basically any human with a working brain cell would have sussed this out.
She was too loose with her self having sex with whoever And whenever she wanted to she was like a door knob everybody gets a turn
Okay but the guys friends !!!???you can’t believe it was him!? Two people were at his home only one left alive she was found dead in HIS BED IN HIS APT!? and you’re still like “oh no couldn’t be him he was nice” tf usually the sickest ppl in the head are the most charming to people he wrote A WHOLE NOTE he fled the country and you don’t believe it!? They’re in some insane denial OMG 😅
Mom of a serial killer would also see him as a good son. They knew his one side that he was showing to them, not the other. Besides, I think that these friends from his motherland. So, after he went to the USA he possibly wasn't the guy they knew.
As scary a thought as it is...most people are imbeciles...his friends are a perfect example of this.
The saddest part to all this is they knew, the mother and Haley knew of Orlando's problem but Haley made the wrong choice of ignoring the obvious warning signs. She believed in the LIE that Orlando was a good person and would not harm her, and she decided that the problems she did witness were not as important as her so called perceptions of him being a good nurse. She didnt want him to be thrown out of Nursing school becuase of his poor choices. But this was NOT her decision to make, rather, her decision was to protect her life and her future. Orlando made the poor choices and needed to be held accountable for those choices.
This is why I teach my daughter to IGNORE your feelings, ignore what you may believe about somone and LOOK at the behavior, look at what they are actually doing separate from what you feel and believe. I tell her that she is NOT responsible for the consequences of someone elses poor choices. Make your decisions based on the FACTS and do not allow your feelings to get in the way. Its the same problem with Orlando's friends in Nicaragua as they are only looking at their feelings and what they believe to be true versus the actual truth of Orlando's behavior.
what do you expect? They grow up steeped in this sort of violence
Definitely in denial! Smh
The U.S. would've mistakenly gone way softer on Orlando than they should have. As a citizen, you hear about it all the time. I wish we'd take a lesson from other legal systems and be much harder on violent crimes.
Gave me chills when her mom said being quick to trust everyone was a good quality. After all what happened I'm surprised by it but I understand that she spoke to Hailey's purity.
Trust violated should not be disregarded. Forgive but adjust accordingly. Trusting beyond red flags can cost you your life. RIP Hailey.
I agree! It does come from an innocence kids have but at some point you have to help them realize not all people are good. And even “good” people can do horrible things.
Well said
Toll Paid
@carlosfrancis919, I literally got angry when she said that! What fool she is to teach your child to trust any and everybody! I told someone in another post of mines that I think not only is the killer a narcissist, but sometimes I think some of these victims are too! Just like that phrase that people often use after having a loved one murdered, oh! everybody loved her or him and one detective on a crime show said, well somebody didn't. I am sickened by people who say that because they really do think that everybody in this entire world has to like them or love them and that's an arrogant attitude that sometimes end up getting you killed! Even the bibles speak of us all having enemies! Everybody didn't love Jesus and he did no wrong, but he still had enemies! People sometimes say I don't have any enemies!
Again, very arrogant and I say to them you might not have any that you know of, but you do have enemies!! I pick carefully the people I choose to associate with and who I choose to bring into my life! I examine them thoroughly by watching carefully what they say or do, and I mean this has to go on for years before I can totally accept you into my life! I'm an introvert and I don't like a lot of people around me any way. A lot of people have gotten mad when I have turned them away because God always give me this feeling when there is something wrong with that person, so I send them packing I don't care how mad they get! That's why I am this old and is still alive because I use common sense when it comes to dealing with human beings!
Unfortunately, it's harder to get out of abusive relationships so easily.. When you break up with an abusive partner it makes them lash out and more violent.
I love how his friends . Knowing that she went into his house and never left it…can think he’s innocent. How does he explain that one away ? 🙄
Idk how it wasnt obvious to his friends. This girl he had a romantic relationship with, where she rejects him, was found dead in his house... in his room... where he then literally jumps on a plane instantly while leaving her body in place and heads back to his home country. The contemporaneous security footage illustrates the timeline perfectly as well.
His friends: "Na couldn't be him, he was cool in class back in the day."
They have a personal relationship with him and their own idea of the kind of person he is. Even with a timeline of that day, they are going to have trouble believing this boy they believe they knew to be a cold blooded murderer. They didn't know the victim. Most people are going to have a hard time wrapping their heads around that.
If they have never seen that side of him, it's understandable they are in disbelief. Not sure why people are attacking his friends.
It was not a romantic relationship. It was a no strings attached relationship. Haley continued that relationship despite knowing that Orlando is a odd human being...to satisfy her lust...and that eventually led to her end...
@@Arin9626 So, she deserved to die because she enjoyed hooking up with this psycho? Got it 😒
@@Arin9626 stop blaming her you sick freak. The guy is a monster and he’s getting what he deserves in prison. Gorgeous woman didn’t deserve that ending.
Yeeeeyyyyyyy! Yes you are! I’m so happy you’re working for 48 hrs.
It’s crazy to me how his friends only keep focusing on that one night as if he didn’t exude a pattern of possessive behavior. First showing up at her home numerous times unannounced, then slashing her tires all of this proves that his actions were premeditated. Not to mention he is a nursing student who studied the anatomy of the human body.
It's hard to become part of a clique if you fail to show true loyalty to the clique.
I'm so glad Ms. Maria Elena Salinas is on 48 hours, I grew up watching her giving news. I love her. Perfect voice for 48 hours
Agreed 💯
Agree
Yes, she is great
Agree!!
She had a show on the I.D. Channel that I loved. She’s great.
Haleys mom looks like a sweet lady. I hope she finds healing
This teenager was playing with FIRE!! sleeping back and forth with two guys!!