To take out the creep of the HW97 Rekord trigger unit is a 5 minute job. I think the muzzle end on the HW looks better and it is really easy to fit a moderator should you desire so. By the way the 97 has a "beartrap" mechanism as well, you cannot pull the trigger before closing the cocking lever. Here in Europe the TX prices are insane, you can get a HW98 and a HW97 for one TX, so thats what i did😁
The weihrauch hw97 does not have a bear trap. It's a trigger blocking system. Not the same as a bear trap. A bear trap locks onto the compression chamber. If the trigger sear on the weihrauch is set too fine it can still take your thumb off. I've got two 97s.ive had it happen, luckily my thumb was out of the way. Personally I think the 97s are way better.
@@cheshirebowman4465 I had the same happen to me, also while my thumb wasn't in the breech. As everyone does I tried to get my trigger as light as possible, put it down with a tiny bump and SNAP. I agree about them being the better gun, with the TX you're paying a lot for some shiny blue metal and a nice stock.
@@cheshirebowman4465 my trigger feels a little bit rough or sanderi in the second stage ! ( it is a fac ) Maybe it’s normal but my hw30s and my hw100kt are a bit smoother .
Hello gentlemen, Thank you for your review of these two iconic underlever spring air rifles. I am lucky enough to own both. I purchased my 97K in the nickel barrel, black moulded stock format. I wasnt keen on the plastic stock of my 97K, so made my own laminated walnut/ash stock. I had a VMach tuning kit installed, its fantastic. I love it. My TX200 HC, just sublime. I couldnt go anywhere near the quality of making that stock. Everytime I handle it, my knees go weak. It goes in the same place on my cheek every time. The blueing is jaw dropping and trigger is gorgeous. For me, theres just one or two subtle differences, neither here nor there of both these iconic units. I love the bare bones of both of them. Theyre both genius in there own right. I dont think theres a best. To me, theyre both fantastic and rather than to wonder which is best, I'll put that energy into shooting and enjoying them both. Price wise, its simple. The TX will cost more to manufacture, so itll be more expensive to buy. The decision is simple. Quality costs-end of. If you want quality, it'll have to be purchased. Nothing worth having is free. If anyone fancies one, go and buy one. You won't be disappointed! That was a great, honest review, thank you.
I have a 97 with a TBT, drop in kit. Its accuracy is sublime and easily on par with a PCP on a good day. I also own an LGV, both are keepers (unlike my Wolverine R and Red Wolf which I’ve sold). Thanks for posting!
I own a Walnut 200 Mk111 and a 97KT. Both are short stroked and run at 11ft/lb. There is nothing between them out to 45 yards. There is a reason that the standard of engineering on the 97 is not as high as that on the TX. Price. Compare the brackets that take the front stock screw bolts. On the TX it is a machined aluminium one piece bracket. It lines up perfectly with the stock holes every time. On the 97 it is a bent metal strip, that moves about and does not line up so readily. The anti bear trap on the TX are machined units, whereas on the HW it is two pieces of pressed steel and a spring. The blueing on the TX is much deeper and glossier than on the HW. People when reviewing these rifles often overlook the barrels. HW use their own, which is superb. The TX uses a match grade, choked Lothar Walther. Reads better from a marketing point of view. Aesthetically they are both high quality rifles. Only internally can you see where HW save money. I am sure HW is very capable of over engineering the 97, in the same way that the TX is over engineered. That would only make them as expensive as the TX. Why fix something that is not broken.
Two cracking rifles and it has to be personal choice at the end of the day but for me personally i go for the HWs as they just feel nicer to hold and as you see with the pound coin flyer or not more accurate.
I have both the HW97 Stainless and TX200 HC. Both are great guns and as accurate as each other. The TX borrowed so much from the HW77. However, I find the HW97 front heavy where the weight of the TX is more central. For ease of service though the TX wins hands down!
I’m lucky enough to have a walnut tx200 and a blue laminate 97 and I agree the blueing on the tx is beautiful and the right handed stock fits perfectly and the clicking of the anti-bear trap doesn’t bother me, but a plastic button to release It isn’t good-looking enough for the rest of the gun. The blue laminate stock is stunning but not as comfortable, and the push button on the cocking arm becomes second nature, you don’t even notice it’s there, the loading port is bigger and easier to use and they are as accurate as each other. I love my tx200 and was lucky enough to get mine before the price rises. If I had to buy one now I would choose the hw97👍🏼
youre right about buying them both. My pref would be both. The HW97KT Synthetic for practical hunting and a walnut TX200 or that new ultimate TX200 for careful use. Both looked after would be heirlooms you could pass down to next generation when you snuff it.
I just bought a used tx MK2 for 250 metalwork is immaculate but had some kitchen checker done to the stock, doesn't look the best but I actually find it more comfortable than the factory finish, as they have slightly thined out the wrist, looks a bit funny but also annoyed my mate when I out shoot him and his ultimate springer with it, but he had only had it a week and I have had a MK1 TX for over 30 years.
As a child of the PCP age, I never gave much thought to spring-powered rifles and always thought they were outdated and inaccurate. We've all gotten comfortable and always expect a product to shoot hole to hole right out of the box without putting much effort into it. A spring rifle has personality and needs practice to be accurate and I appreciate that. Great vid...thanks!
Yet another great video....Many thanks for my BSA LIGHTENING SE .177 kindly delivered by Lawrence....Great idea to deliver as it saves money and driving miles to a Gun Shop to pick one up.....Thank You once again..................
I have a Tx 200 . .22 . Deadly accurate. If you use artillery hold . You will get far tighter groups. I can achieve pellet on pellet at 25 yards. Just resting on the bag will not give the best accuracy with a springer.
Is that really true my friend because I just bought and shot today for the first time my HW97KT in 22 caliber at 25 yards resting on a bag like the guy did in this video comparison. If I shoot from a table like I did today but put my hand palm under the forearm of the barrel my groups will even be better your saying.
As a prosport and tx 200 owner I can attest to the fact they are quite hold sensitive but like anything in life the satisfaction when it all clicks is immense, tx200 with a beach stock would be a fairer comparison
The price difference of these guns is bonkers!! Very similar guns, yet AA is Soooo expensive. Don't get me wrong I've got a tuned TXHC and it's sweet as a nut. HW all the way with this comparison.
The tx200 US walnut is £1059 in the UK. The HW97KT walnut (most expensive version of the 97 models) is £690 So yes, only £270 difference, but is the TX 30% better for that price? The answer to that has to be no. The Tx is possibly 10% better out the box, but AA are ripping you off at that price. Anyway, if you’ve got the money and you want one, then great. IMO I’d get a used TX200 and buy a GRS stock if I was going to spend that kind of money.
@@greylag8630 tx 200 walnut is only £70 more than the walnut hw97 , so if you favour the nicer looking blueing ease of maintenance, slightly nicer out of box then the TX is definitely worth the extra, if you want a decent springer for a significant saving then the Synthetic 97bis your better choice.
Just a thought. I have two weihrauch hw97k one made in 1998 and one made in 2001. You would not believe how much better the older ones are. If you see one, buy it. You will see it in the racks as a weihrauch with the silencer bit sticking out further than the cocking lever. Much easier to tune with it's 25 mm piston instead of 26 mm.
Can't really do a comparison when one is nearly double the price of the other. I have the 97K with a TBT Maxi tuning kit which is only £49.95 and it has made an good gun into an awesome gun so I rally can't see how the air arms is £500 better what so ever in any way.
It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. I don't doubt the Air Arms Ultimate is an awesome bit of kit, I want one for sure, but the 97 is built like a tank, has a great barrel and trigger. Price wise it makes sense to go with the HW, it can be tuned /custom stock fitted later for perfection if you so choose.
Springers shoot much better out of the hand rather than resting them like that.... I shoot a TX every week , around 150 shots a session and have learned consistency with your touch points, hold pressure and trigger release are critical.... Really enjoyable once you find your groove
Bought the mk1 tx and then the mk2, which was my fave.price has now gone through the roof for us mere mortals and don't know how they can justify this😯
I'd have both and a pro sport. The beech thumbhole 97KT, as you said, is the best 97. However if I could only have one due to budget constraints I'd have the 97.
I bought the full-length TX200 .177" in walnut earlier this year. I'm a retired engineer and chose the Air Arms for two reasons: 1. I watched a load of strip & rebuild UA-cam videos and the Air Arms looks easier than the Weihrauch. 2. I have owned an AA S400 carbine for over 20 trouble-free years. I considered the Pro Sport and if I were hunting with it I would probably go that way. I am actually only shooting targets and the sharper edges on the Pro Sport cocking lever swung me towards the TX. Its a dozen shots while hunting verses five times that number on a session at the range. It was with a deep breath that I shelled-out for the TX. Its a major purchase for a pensioner. I have since fitted a TBT tuning kit and all doubts are blown away every time I visit the range. I do like the look of the Weihrauch, though. I'm a sucker for blue laminate. 😀
Gents, the 'love it or loathe it' part you are referring to as a 'bear trap' is an 'anti bear trap mechanism', (to prevent the rifle acting like a bear trap).
The HW 97 does not have a 'bear trap', I'm happy to say. But it DOES have a sliding "ANTI bear trap", blocking the trigger while remaining hidden in the stock. For hunters: Its underlever lock up is much more solid (for fitting a sling) than on the TX. On my scale the 97K Laminate is plus 4 Kilos unscoped. Box movers: plse know your ware !
All HW’s twang because the loose factory spring guides suck..lol, easy fix though. I have a 97K a 77K and a walnut prosport and they all shoot great. Prosport over the TX because it looks way better, it comes with bearings on the piston and compression tube, and no wrackety bear trap. My 97K is most enjoyable shooter, Prosport is just plan bad azz. 77K has the green laminate and also looks good. Air Arms prices are insane these days, the HW 97K is the best bang for your buck.
I had an HW95, and HW77K... ZERO buzz/twang. The only gun i had that was smoother was an OLD Diana, with a t01 (i believe) trigger... A side-lever, i forget which... I later bought the updated Diana model, with the t06 trigger... Pure hatred.
The TX200 looks good with the laminate stock and the ugly anti beartrap button doesn't look as out of place as it does on the wood stock versions. I would love Weihrauch to make a similar laminate stock with adjustable cheek piece. Its kinda crazy they havent already and instead added one onto the HW98.
The standard TX/TCHC looks amazing in walnut, i only sold my beech version after promising myself to replace it with a walnut one. I dont own a weihrauch, yet, but the 77!97 looks great in their respective laminate finishes, i definitely prefer the weihrauch laminates to their standard finishes.
You can remove the sliding anti bear trap on the 97 and it will de cock easy. Another thing about the 97 is you can't put a scope ring on the back screw in receiver plug because it will shift your zero .YOu have to have both rings ahead of that plug!
I thought you might have been biased over the English made rifle I think you would have preferred it to shoot better but I did notice that your last three shots we're slightly off because you forgot to push the safety so to me you broke your rhythm a little bit I think the German rifle would have been even better if you kept your rhythm all-in-all an honest review I have just bought the 97 in Australia it cost me $850 no scope
The ultimate tx has a ambidextrous stock and are available in left handed with the loading gate on the left hand side of the action. The ultimate tx is geogous but over a grand for a springer is nuts
Good review guys but a couple of points you missed which would have improved the video, you never mentioned the calibres? looked like .177 but it's of interest. Annoyingly for me personally as you took the shots the camera moved from the gun, so we weren't able to compare recoil.
Sigh, the loud cocking noise of the TX with those three clicks towards the end is something Air Arms should eliminate. HW97 is superior on that end and in that regard a better choice for hunting.
Not a fair or reasonable comparison, the AA Ultimate springer is twice the price of a standard 97. You could buy a standard 97 Sporter, have it professionally tuned, fit a custom laminate or walnut stock and still have enough left over to buy a sleeve of pellets. And then you would have a gun at least as good as the AA.
The record trigger is the best in the world NEVER have i had trigger creep in 40years of owning tuning and hunting and field target shooting to national level with the 77s or the 97 I have three i have also used the TX on the FT range and would never again there's NO comparison Neither would i hold in any way to restrict the recoil and NEVER rest a recoiling springer on ANYTHING half way solid very pore show from you both for the first time EVER
Slap a Rowan Engineer Match Trigger Unit on them and that’s it…and let’s face it, the Weihrauch rifles although they come with without question one of the best trigger units around you have to start striping out the guts, polish everything and slap in a decent spring, guide and top hat or they twang like the wife’s nicker elastic. I bought an HW98 brand new from BAR and it twanged that loud all my fellow club members would laugh and tell me to sort it…I did in the end and made it into a nice rifle using a Welch’s Willy Kit and a hell of a lot of my own polishing.
@@peterwaine923 Totally agree, Walther come fully tuned out of the box. You could get a Walther tuning trigger, my Comp Ultra has one, and the Royale has a Gold tuning trigger. My grey laminate 98 went to Paul Short for his tune and it’s superb, but I agree, all HW’s twang out the box. Your right about the Rekord trigger as well. I tried stripping it and it was a twat to put back together, where as the Walther clam shell is a piece of piss.
Im fortunate to own a 97k in .22 and the TX Ultimate in .22 ...But if you are a hunter ...Im not I just shoot targets at my local range ..The difference in Cocking is that the TX makes a ratchet sound to engage where as the 97 is almost silent .. I suspect a hunter ready to cock his TX would more than likely scare off the prey before its shot at
We were using QYS Streamlined Heavy pellets in this review - we have 2 variations: 4.49mm head size - rangeandcountry.co.uk/qys-streamlined-heavy-pellets-177-449/ 4.50mm head size - rangeandcountry.co.uk/qys-streamlined-heavy-pellets-177-450/
I emailed Claire through Air Arms. I advised her they needed to put the TX200 action in a chassis stock like the S510 tactical. This stock and action should be matte black and include the same type of moderator as the S510 tactical. The m-loc in the stock could be used for an offset adjustable hamster, that would still enable cocking with the under leaver. This would breathe new life into the TX200. You would also be able to use the m-loc to mount a laser, or flashlight. This should be easy, low hanging fruit for Air Arms. But alas..........Nobody listens to me. They build this instead.........
Great video guy's.. very informative and entertaining 👌👍🤘 my girlfriend calls it Gun Porn when I watch videos like this.. 😃😃lol.. so thanks for the Gun Porn guys.. 😂😂lol.. I got the Air Arms TX200 mk3 in Walnut.. like you both said the HW 97k is right up there with the Air Arms.. I would like a HW 97K but there's no point in having 2 underlevers is there.. thats like having 2 kettles that do the same thing but one is a bit more expensive and looks a little bit better..😂😂 🤘👍👌
how far you test ..??.. i had the WH97.. i can tell the group you shoot was very bad for those two guns.. 🤷🏽.. i had few video that my 97 shoot at 10 , 15 and 20 yards.. i tell you for real 10 shot same hole , about a dime, American dime i mean ..
Have owned 77s for as long as they have been around have shot them field target have highly tuned them have shot the tx field target and the 77k far out performed the tx the record trigger on the 77s 97s is without doubt the best Springer trigger in the world fight you for it!!!
Cocking those rifles seem to make a creaking mechanical noise, more so on the TX200, I'd be concerned that such a noice may scare off rabbits and other game.
First of all, yes the TXs are nice but massively overpriced, buy yourself a used 97 do what l did buy a Walnut CS500 my stock and a 2016 nickel 97 cost less than 600, the gun had already been tuned at Ratworks, they are the best that Weihrauch do,
Bad shot and dangerous. Rest the gun 6 inches back and the groupings improve significantly and please, only put your finger on the trigger when you are aiming at the target, this is a very dangerous habit.
One of the things NO ONE IS MENTIONING when it comes to stocks (wood vs synthetic) is the following: the screws that joint the metal body to the stock will hold much better with the synthetic stock version. It'll take many more -a whole lot more - pellets to shoot before these have to be (re)tightened, compared to the same model's wooden stock version. I have experienced this with Diana N-Tec 34 model(s) as well as with no name chinese. To whomever it may concern, feel free to reward me with some $ for this info.
NOT a fair test! Why not compare using the HW 97 kt beech stock with the variable butt, thumb hole and other features? You've chosen the, arguably, the worst model of the HW 97 NO BIAS THERE THEN.
Nope. The engineering on tx200 is superior. Both rifles have the same accuracy, but the tx is better in terms of type of construction. The tx200 and the 97k are the best Field Target springers ever.
@bckup.1 airarms fanboy😆 I've shot both and still prefer the HW. There's no need to tune anything. If you know how to shoot a springer ,ok, the HW has a bit of a twang, but you shoot the air arms in the woods and it's got a bigger crack ,almost sounds like .22lr going off ,shot both back in the late 80s and will always go for the HW ,and before you say I am a fanboy ,I owned a air arms s410 for years and loved it
@bckup.1 dude I've been shooting and around rifles for 40 years , with the right pellet and hold "artillery hold" the HWs can group as well as a fair few PCPs ,like Pete said in the video ,he dont shoot springers alot and the rifles in the test as not even been ran in yet ,now go suck an egg 👍
To take out the creep of the HW97 Rekord trigger unit is a 5 minute job. I think the muzzle end on the HW looks better and it is really easy to fit a moderator should you desire so. By the way the 97 has a "beartrap" mechanism as well, you cannot pull the trigger before closing the cocking lever. Here in Europe the TX prices are insane, you can get a HW98 and a HW97 for one TX, so thats what i did😁
The weihrauch hw97 does not have a bear trap. It's a trigger blocking system. Not the same as a bear trap. A bear trap locks onto the compression chamber. If the trigger sear on the weihrauch is set too fine it can still take your thumb off. I've got two 97s.ive had it happen, luckily my thumb was out of the way. Personally I think the 97s are way better.
@@cheshirebowman4465 I had the same happen to me, also while my thumb wasn't in the breech. As everyone does I tried to get my trigger as light as possible, put it down with a tiny bump and SNAP. I agree about them being the better gun, with the TX you're paying a lot for some shiny blue metal and a nice stock.
Can I ask you how to cure the creep of the trigger of the hw97 ?
@@jeroenmeijer19 explain your problem?
@@cheshirebowman4465 my trigger feels a little bit rough or sanderi in the second stage ! ( it is a fac ) Maybe it’s normal but my hw30s and my hw100kt are a bit smoother .
I took your advice and got them both. No regrets love them both, would do it again
Hello gentlemen, Thank you for your review of these two iconic underlever spring air rifles.
I am lucky enough to own both.
I purchased my 97K in the nickel barrel, black moulded stock format.
I wasnt keen on the plastic stock of my 97K, so made my own laminated walnut/ash stock. I had a VMach tuning kit installed, its fantastic. I love it.
My TX200 HC, just sublime. I couldnt go anywhere near the quality of making that stock. Everytime I handle it, my knees go weak. It goes in the same place on my cheek every time. The blueing is jaw dropping and trigger is gorgeous.
For me, theres just one or two subtle differences, neither here nor there of both these iconic units.
I love the bare bones of both of them. Theyre both genius in there own right. I dont think theres a best. To me, theyre both fantastic and rather than to wonder which is best, I'll put that energy into shooting and enjoying them both.
Price wise, its simple. The TX will cost more to manufacture, so itll be more expensive to buy.
The decision is simple. Quality costs-end of. If you want quality, it'll have to be purchased. Nothing worth having is free. If anyone fancies one, go and buy one.
You won't be disappointed!
That was a great, honest review, thank you.
I have a 97 with a TBT, drop in kit. Its accuracy is sublime and easily on par with a PCP on a good day. I also own an LGV, both are keepers (unlike my Wolverine R and Red Wolf which I’ve sold). Thanks for posting!
I own a Walnut 200 Mk111 and a 97KT. Both are short stroked and run at 11ft/lb. There is nothing between them out to 45 yards. There is a reason that the standard of engineering on the 97 is not as high as that on the TX. Price. Compare the brackets that take the front stock screw bolts. On the TX it is a machined aluminium one piece bracket. It lines up perfectly with the stock holes every time. On the 97 it is a bent metal strip, that moves about and does not line up so readily. The anti bear trap on the TX are machined units, whereas on the HW it is two pieces of pressed steel and a spring. The blueing on the TX is much deeper and glossier than on the HW. People when reviewing these rifles often overlook the barrels. HW use their own, which is superb. The TX uses a match grade, choked Lothar Walther. Reads better from a marketing point of view. Aesthetically they are both high quality rifles. Only internally can you see where HW save money. I am sure HW is very capable of over engineering the 97, in the same way that the TX is over engineered. That would only make them as expensive as the TX. Why fix something that is not broken.
Two cracking rifles and it has to be personal choice at the end of the day but for me personally i go for the HWs as they just feel nicer to hold and as you see with the pound coin flyer or not more accurate.
I have both the HW97 Stainless and TX200 HC. Both are great guns and as accurate as each other. The TX borrowed so much from the HW77. However, I find the HW97 front heavy where the weight of the TX is more central. For ease of service though the TX wins hands down!
I’m lucky enough to have a walnut tx200 and a blue laminate 97 and I agree the blueing on the tx is beautiful and the right handed stock fits perfectly and the clicking of the anti-bear trap doesn’t bother me, but a plastic button to release It isn’t good-looking enough for the rest of the gun. The blue laminate stock is stunning but not as comfortable, and the push button on the cocking arm becomes second nature, you don’t even notice it’s there, the loading port is bigger and easier to use and they are as accurate as each other. I love my tx200 and was lucky enough to get mine before the price rises. If I had to buy one now I would choose the hw97👍🏼
youre right about buying them both. My pref would be both. The HW97KT Synthetic for practical hunting and a walnut TX200 or that new ultimate TX200 for careful use. Both looked after would be heirlooms you could pass down to next generation when you snuff it.
"When you snuff it" 😂😂
I just bought a used tx MK2 for 250 metalwork is immaculate but had some kitchen checker done to the stock, doesn't look the best but I actually find it more comfortable than the factory finish, as they have slightly thined out the wrist, looks a bit funny but also annoyed my mate when I out shoot him and his ultimate springer with it, but he had only had it a week and I have had a MK1 TX for over 30 years.
As a child of the PCP age, I never gave much thought to spring-powered rifles and always thought they were outdated and inaccurate. We've all gotten comfortable and always expect a product to shoot hole to hole right out of the box without putting much effort into it. A spring rifle has personality and needs practice to be accurate and I appreciate that. Great vid...thanks!
Yet another great video....Many thanks for my BSA LIGHTENING SE .177 kindly delivered by Lawrence....Great idea to deliver as it saves money and driving miles to a Gun Shop to pick one up.....Thank You once again..................
I have a Tx 200 . .22 . Deadly accurate. If you use artillery hold . You will get far tighter groups. I can achieve pellet on pellet at 25 yards. Just resting on the bag will not give the best accuracy with a springer.
Is that really true my friend because I just bought and shot today for the first time my HW97KT in 22 caliber at 25 yards resting on a bag like the guy did in this video comparison. If I shoot from a table like I did today but put my hand palm under the forearm of the barrel my groups will even be better your saying.
@@JohnVentarino-ey5ln your groups will be more consistent
As a prosport and tx 200 owner I can attest to the fact they are quite hold sensitive but like anything in life the satisfaction when it all clicks is immense, tx200 with a beach stock would be a fairer comparison
I find mk1 and mk2 tx less hold sensitive than the mk3, which is why I don't have a mk3
My Tx Hc walnut has taken over 300 Greys... shes pellet on pellet at 40 yards
The price difference of these guns is bonkers!! Very similar guns, yet AA is Soooo expensive. Don't get me wrong I've got a tuned TXHC and it's sweet as a nut. HW all the way with this comparison.
Mot really bonkers standard walnut tx compared to walnut 97 is just under £200 difference
The tx200 US walnut is £1059 in the UK.
The HW97KT walnut (most expensive version of the 97 models) is £690
So yes, only £270 difference, but is the TX 30% better for that price? The answer to that has to be no. The Tx is possibly 10% better out the box, but AA are ripping you off at that price.
Anyway, if you’ve got the money and you want one, then great. IMO I’d get a used TX200 and buy a GRS stock if I was going to spend that kind of money.
@@greylag8630tx200 walnut is £769, only the ultimate with adjustable stock that is around a grand
@@cardiffpicker1 There isn't a walnut 97 and the TX's are way more than two hundred quid more. They are NOT more than two hundred pounds better.
@@greylag8630 tx 200 walnut is only £70 more than the walnut hw97 , so if you favour the nicer looking blueing ease of maintenance, slightly nicer out of box then the TX is definitely worth the extra, if you want a decent springer for a significant saving then the Synthetic 97bis your better choice.
Just a thought. I have two weihrauch hw97k one made in 1998 and one made in 2001. You would not believe how much better the older ones are. If you see one, buy it. You will see it in the racks as a weihrauch with the silencer bit sticking out further than the cocking lever. Much easier to tune with it's 25 mm piston instead of 26 mm.
Can't really do a comparison when one is nearly double the price of the other. I have the 97K with a TBT Maxi tuning kit which is only £49.95 and it has made an good gun into an awesome gun so I rally can't see how the air arms is £500 better what so ever in any way.
It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. I don't doubt the Air Arms Ultimate is an awesome bit of kit, I want one for sure, but the 97 is built like a tank, has a great barrel and trigger. Price wise it makes sense to go with the HW, it can be tuned /custom stock fitted later for perfection if you so choose.
Don't know why they chose the most expensive tx , a standard walnut or beach is a better comparison
Springers shoot much better out of the hand rather than resting them like that.... I shoot a TX every week , around 150 shots a session and have learned consistency with your touch points, hold pressure and trigger release are critical.... Really enjoyable once you find your groove
Another great review, showing the difference between two springer rivals
Bought the mk1 tx and then the mk2, which was my fave.price has now gone through the roof for us mere mortals and don't know how they can justify this😯
I prefer my mk1 to my mk2 , dont like the mk3 though
I'd have both and a pro sport. The beech thumbhole 97KT, as you said, is the best 97. However if I could only have one due to budget constraints I'd have the 97.
I bought the full-length TX200 .177" in walnut earlier this year. I'm a retired engineer and chose the Air Arms for two reasons:
1. I watched a load of strip & rebuild UA-cam videos and the Air Arms looks easier than the Weihrauch.
2. I have owned an AA S400 carbine for over 20 trouble-free years.
I considered the Pro Sport and if I were hunting with it I would probably go that way. I am actually only shooting targets and the sharper edges on the Pro Sport cocking lever swung me towards the TX. Its a dozen shots while hunting verses five times that number on a session at the range.
It was with a deep breath that I shelled-out for the TX. Its a major purchase for a pensioner. I have since fitted a TBT tuning kit and all doubts are blown away every time I visit the range. I do like the look of the Weihrauch, though. I'm a sucker for blue laminate. 😀
Gents, the 'love it or loathe it' part you are referring to as a 'bear trap' is an 'anti bear trap mechanism', (to prevent the rifle acting like a bear trap).
Love watching your reviews over here from the US and your Top Gear comment spot on.
The HW 97 does not have a 'bear trap', I'm happy to say. But it DOES have a sliding "ANTI bear trap", blocking the trigger while remaining hidden in the stock. For hunters: Its underlever lock up is much more solid (for fitting a sling) than on the TX.
On my scale the 97K Laminate is plus 4 Kilos unscoped.
Box movers: plse know your ware !
I remove those sliding trigger blocking anti bear traps on all my rifles.
All HW’s twang because the loose factory spring guides suck..lol, easy fix though. I have a 97K a 77K and a walnut prosport and they all shoot great. Prosport over the TX because it looks way better, it comes with bearings on the piston and compression tube, and no wrackety bear trap. My 97K is most enjoyable shooter, Prosport is just plan bad azz. 77K has the green laminate and also looks good. Air Arms prices are insane these days, the HW 97K is the best bang for your buck.
I had an HW95, and HW77K... ZERO buzz/twang.
The only gun i had that was smoother was an OLD Diana, with a t01 (i believe) trigger... A side-lever, i forget which... I later bought the updated Diana model, with the t06 trigger... Pure hatred.
The TX200 looks good with the laminate stock and the ugly anti beartrap button doesn't look as out of place as it does on the wood stock versions. I would love Weihrauch to make a similar laminate stock with adjustable cheek piece. Its kinda crazy they havent already and instead added one onto the HW98.
Glad I'm no longer the only person I know who isn't keen on laminate.
not for me either
I would still go for the Pro sport? why just because it's better looking and just as accurate.
The standard TX/TCHC looks amazing in walnut, i only sold my beech version after promising myself to replace it with a walnut one.
I dont own a weihrauch, yet, but the 77!97 looks great in their respective laminate finishes, i definitely prefer the weihrauch laminates to their standard finishes.
You can remove the sliding anti bear trap on the 97 and it will de cock easy. Another thing about the 97 is you can't put a scope ring on the back screw in receiver plug because it will shift your zero .YOu have to have both rings ahead of that plug!
Removed them off both of mine for decocking. I switched to pic rails in because it’s easy to switch scopes and the rail stays on the gun.
Excellent review guys, I'm seeing rave reviews on the Weirauch hw90k, is there any chance you can review one?
very nice when can we expect to see at our srores? im in usa $1500 bones wow!
I thought you might have been biased over the English made rifle I think you would have preferred it to shoot better but I did notice that your last three shots we're slightly off because you forgot to push the safety so to me you broke your rhythm a little bit I think the German rifle would have been even better if you kept your rhythm all-in-all an honest review I have just bought the 97 in Australia it cost me $850 no scope
The ultimate tx has a ambidextrous stock and are available in left handed with the loading gate on the left hand side of the action. The ultimate tx is geogous but over a grand for a springer is nuts
Good review guys but a couple of points you missed which would have improved the video, you never mentioned the calibres? looked like .177 but it's of interest. Annoyingly for me personally as you took the shots the camera moved from the gun, so we weren't able to compare recoil.
Would be great if yous guys done a walnut/beech tx200hc vs beech hw97
Whenever looking at air gun reviews, note that air guns sold in the UK are lower powered, by law. The US versions are more powerful.
Sigh, the loud cocking noise of the TX with those three clicks towards the end is something Air Arms should eliminate. HW97 is superior on that end and in that regard a better choice for hunting.
Not a fair or reasonable comparison, the AA Ultimate springer is twice the price of a standard 97. You could buy a standard 97 Sporter, have it professionally tuned, fit a custom laminate or walnut stock and still have enough left over to buy a sleeve of pellets. And then you would have a gun at least as good as the AA.
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The record trigger is the best in the world NEVER have i had trigger creep in 40years of owning tuning and hunting and field target shooting to national level with the 77s or the 97 I have three i have also used the TX on the FT range and would never again there's NO comparison Neither would i hold in any way to restrict the recoil and NEVER rest a recoiling springer on ANYTHING half way solid very pore show from you both for the first time EVER
I do think the TX is a little more premium. You couldn't go wrong with either rifle though. Great review gentleman.
Sure glad i bought the blue laminate hw97 as that tx looks cheap just my view but yeh i turned the tx down in my local gun shop just the other day
HW is a fair bit cheaper, spend the difference getting the HW professionally tuned and it will leave the AA in the dust.
Hw 97k all day 😊
97 and 77 all day
The price difference is just too much to ignore. The money you save takes you half way to a HW100.
Buy the HW97KT and use the 500 on a nice scope.
There is a left handed option I believe.
Is the TX worth the extra £500 over the HW ? No!
Gentleman's thanks for the review but please do review of hw98 compared to tx 200 or pro sport. 👌👍
I'm surprised they didn't show the recoil of the gun TX.
The noise is a "Boing". All the HW97 are like that out the box!
Tx anti bear trap clack clack clack, 97 quiet.
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97 £500 cheaper.
Walther LGV or U best. I have had both of these rifles and they are not in the same league of the Walthers.
Totally agree, I’ve got a Competition Ultra and a Royale.
Slap a Rowan Engineer Match Trigger Unit on them and that’s it…and let’s face it, the Weihrauch rifles although they come with without question one of the best trigger units around you have to start striping out the guts, polish everything and slap in a decent spring, guide and top hat or they twang like the wife’s nicker elastic. I bought an HW98 brand new from BAR and it twanged that loud all my fellow club members would laugh and tell me to sort it…I did in the end and made it into a nice rifle using a Welch’s Willy Kit and a hell of a lot of my own polishing.
@@peterwaine923 Totally agree, Walther come fully tuned out of the box. You could get a Walther tuning trigger, my Comp Ultra has one, and the Royale has a Gold tuning trigger. My grey laminate 98 went to Paul Short for his tune and it’s superb, but I agree, all HW’s twang out the box. Your right about the Rekord trigger as well. I tried stripping it and it was a twat to put back together, where as the Walther clam shell is a piece of piss.
Im fortunate to own a 97k in .22 and the TX Ultimate in .22 ...But if you are a hunter ...Im not I just shoot targets at my local range ..The difference in Cocking is that the TX makes a ratchet sound to engage where as the 97 is almost silent .. I suspect a hunter ready to cock his TX would more than likely scare off the prey before its shot at
Its a pity walther have stopped making springers.
What were the pellets you were using. I keep missing the name
We were using QYS Streamlined Heavy pellets in this review - we have 2 variations:
4.49mm head size - rangeandcountry.co.uk/qys-streamlined-heavy-pellets-177-449/
4.50mm head size - rangeandcountry.co.uk/qys-streamlined-heavy-pellets-177-450/
I emailed Claire through Air Arms. I advised her they needed to put the TX200 action in a chassis stock like the S510 tactical. This stock and action should be matte black and include the same type of moderator as the S510 tactical.
The m-loc in the stock could be used for an offset adjustable hamster, that would still enable cocking with the under leaver.
This would breathe new life into the TX200. You would also be able to use the m-loc to mount a laser, or flashlight.
This should be easy, low hanging fruit for Air Arms.
But alas..........Nobody listens to me.
They build this instead.........
That hw97 sounds rough compared with the tx
R airarms going to do a pro sport in a laminate stock....
I think the Weihrauch Barrels are a tad better on average than the Lothar Walthers.
Great video guy's.. very informative and entertaining 👌👍🤘 my girlfriend calls it Gun Porn when I watch videos like this.. 😃😃lol.. so thanks for the Gun Porn guys.. 😂😂lol.. I got the Air Arms TX200 mk3 in Walnut.. like you both said the HW 97k is right up there with the Air Arms.. I would like a HW 97K but there's no point in having 2 underlevers is there.. thats like having 2 kettles that do the same thing but one is a bit more expensive and looks a little bit better..😂😂 🤘👍👌
how far you test ..??.. i had the WH97.. i can tell the group you shoot was very bad for those two guns.. 🤷🏽.. i had few video that my 97 shoot at 10 , 15 and 20 yards.. i tell you for real 10 shot same hole , about a dime, American dime i mean ..
Have owned 77s for as long as they have been around have shot them field target have highly tuned them have shot the tx field target and the 77k far out performed the tx the record trigger on the 77s 97s is without doubt the best Springer trigger in the world fight you for it!!!
I just bought a HW97KT with thumbhole beech stock in STAINLESS STEEL BARREL in 22 caliber. You really feel that the TX 200 shoots smoother.
Fx drs classic synthetic 500mm £750
Cocking those rifles seem to make a creaking mechanical noise, more so on the TX200, I'd be concerned that such a noice may scare off rabbits and other game.
You can hold down the button whilst cocking it if you need quiet.
First of all, yes the TXs are nice but massively overpriced, buy yourself a used 97 do what l did buy a Walnut CS500 my stock and a 2016 nickel 97 cost less than 600, the gun had already been tuned at Ratworks, they are the best that Weihrauch do,
I hope the rifles are more accurate than the shooter!
Springers prefer lighter pellets! Put some 7.9 grain and you'll see what I mean!
Paying all that money for the TX200 which has the same basic action. You could get yourself a stock made and save!
No comparison the weihrauch wins it’s hundreds of pounds cheaper but shoots better and all these laminate stocks are horrible walnut wins every time
Tx 200 is a kit gun copied from hw 77 it's a good gun
Bad shot and dangerous. Rest the gun 6 inches back and the groupings improve significantly and please, only put your finger on the trigger when you are aiming at the target, this is a very dangerous habit.
TX200HC with silencer every day. 1 pence groups at 25yds. No brained imo. Sorry if it offends 97 owners
Err both those guns should do pellet on pellet at 25yrds.
what i would add is that as far as i know we lefties have not been considered in this video
One of the things NO ONE IS MENTIONING when it comes to stocks (wood vs synthetic) is the following: the screws that joint the metal body to the stock will hold much better with the synthetic stock version. It'll take many more -a whole lot more - pellets to shoot before these have to be (re)tightened, compared to the same model's wooden stock version. I have experienced this with Diana N-Tec 34 model(s) as well as with no name chinese. To whomever it may concern, feel free to reward me with some $ for this info.
At this rate I'll be getting a tx....lol
The air arms is nearly twice the price of the weihrauch it's not twice as good.
All you will ever need a hw100 and a tx200.
If it was powered by a miniature nuclear reactor i would get one but not with a spring
It’s the singer and not the song, my you sure fell apart at the end.
NOT a fair test! Why not compare using the HW 97 kt beech stock with the variable butt, thumb hole and other features? You've chosen the, arguably, the worst model of the HW 97 NO BIAS THERE THEN.
out of the box the 97 is the dogs.
Tx is just a copy of the 97 simple
Nope. The engineering on tx200 is superior. Both rifles have the same accuracy, but the tx is better in terms of type of construction.
The tx200 and the 97k are the best Field Target springers ever.
Airarms copied HW ,, HW will always be king
@bckup.1 airarms fanboy😆 I've shot both and still prefer the HW. There's no need to tune anything. If you know how to shoot a springer ,ok, the HW has a bit of a twang, but you shoot the air arms in the woods and it's got a bigger crack ,almost sounds like .22lr going off ,shot both back in the late 80s and will always go for the HW ,and before you say I am a fanboy ,I owned a air arms s410 for years and loved it
@bckup.1 not as many TXs sold as they are well over priced ,, next
@bckup.1 dude I've been shooting and around rifles for 40 years , with the right pellet and hold "artillery hold" the HWs can group as well as a fair few PCPs ,like Pete said in the video ,he dont shoot springers alot and the rifles in the test as not even been ran in yet ,now go suck an egg 👍
@bckup.1 Mercedes are driven by idiots and rappers lol
@bckup.1 Your arguments are laughable and barely make sense 😂😂 Just admit you're a biased AA fanboy.
god that was so exciting