Air Arms TX200 vs Weihrauch HW97-Big Dan's Airguns
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2023
- It has been a long time in the making (genuinely Dan's hair grew three sizes!)
But it's finally here. The TX200 vs HW97 video face off.
So which modern legend comes out on top in Dan's eyes? Well lets grab some popcorn and find out!
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I own a number of HW rifles, two are Venom tuned, one is V-Mach tuned. I have owned my HW77 since Jan 1987, I was 16. It was subsequently tuned by Venom to lazaglide spec FOR FREE! I appeared in, 'Air Gunner,' magazine in May 1990, Nigel Allen arranged for me to spend a full day at Venom Arms in order to witness their tuning work and discover more about the lazaglide conversion. Very kindly, Dave and Ivan completed a perfect day for me by confirming that they would convert my rifle for free, as well as reblueing it, fitting a silencer and brass trigger. I also own a Venom long stroke early HW80, and a V-Mach short stroke HW80, the short stroke is an absolute peach to shoot, it is every bit as accurate as the Venom 77. I have a standard HW77, a HW 35E, a Theoben Evolution, an Air Arms TX200 and an Air Arms Khamsin- the early model with what I think is the nice looking ambidextrous stock.
I have always like Air Arms rifles- and was a fan of the side lever actions in the 1980's. I had 'stock envy' back then, one of my mates owned an Air Arms Camargue with the lovely Tyrolean stock. The TX200 is a superb rifle, excellent build quality, lovely stock, very smooth to shoot- and very accurate. It gives the HW77 a very good run for it's money indeed. Where the TX200 loses out to the HW77 is that I think the rifle designers were too clever with the anti-bear trap and release mechanism. In short, it IS a faff compared to the very simple set up on the HW77. Were it not for the faff factor, I would find it extremely difficult to pick a favourite between the HW77 and the TX200. As it stands, the HW edges the TX- just. I suspect that these days, a standard TX200 probably shoots slightly better straight out of the box compared to a HW77. I've heard that Weihrauch's tend to be a bit twangy now- something the TX certainly isn't. I still think the Rekord trigger is better than the AA trigger.
Ive recently bought the laminate version of the 97 partly based on this review. Im so pleased I did. Not only is it PCP accurate, its half the price of the TX in laminate. Thanks Dan.
I got both guns and love them but the hw just gets it for me. Just feels better. Nice review Dan 👍
Hey Jeff!
Thanks mate, I agree 100%. I do like the TX and it definitely has its advantages over the HW but it's just such an unnecessary faff.. dear too.
I also have both, the full size TX and blue laminate HW. I also prefer the HW because it's easier to load and no bear trap button. Had to get a second HW in .22 and regular beech stock.
Always enjoy your indepth reviews and your everyday professionalism, Dan! From a airgunner in the States.
Big shout out to you Dan for the time put in this video for the work!
Thanks Newold! Yeah this one took some effort to be sure.
I always rate your testing as you always ‘show your work’ unlike some other reviewers on youtube!!
Thanks Harry!
Genuinely good to see you back reviewing guns Dan. 👍
Thanks Anthony! It took a fair few months this one... I go from shorts to a coat!
Really enjoy watching your reviews Dan, and this was a big one!. Your sense of humour adds a very welcome element to your channel, I am a huge weihrauch fan by the way, take care.
Enjoyed the comparison between these two guns. I'm already a black synthetic 97k fanboy so I'm already sold. Would love a comparison between HW77 and Diana Magnum 460 to help spending my money on another gun.
The green laminate hw77 is pretty 👍
I have a walnut tx200 & a blue laminate hw97 and I love them both, I have tried a side by side comparison and I see why people sit on the fence but the tx tips it for me. Great review 👍🏼👍🏼
I was on the fence and went with a new TX200 with the walnut stock and fish scale checkering. Absolutely exquisite piece of craftsmanship and an heirloom rifle. ❤
Basically the same gun, one from the UK the other from Germany. Have the TX and a HW95, see no point in owning the 97 too.
The thing I find amazing about comparing these two guns is that the Weihrauch always does really well even though the TX is now close to twice the price. You can get an hw97, have it professionally tuned and fit an aftermarket walnut stock and it would cost about what a TX costs. Or you could put a drop-in kit in it for sixty quid and be shooting as well as someone with a gun that is four hundred quid more. I like the TX a lot but I absolutely love my 97. Good to see you back Dan. love your reviews.
Well said David, I didn't mention cost as I wanted to do the review from a performance standpoint only but you're bang on correct. The HW is already in my opinion better to shoot offhand compared to the TX... unless it's a Mk2 TX. Those things are beautiful to shoot.
@@bigdansairguns83 Cheers Dan. Don't get me wrong, you can see where the extra money goes. The TX has a lovely, handed stock and I could sit and admire the blueing all evening long but if you're like me and just like shooting a solid, accurate rifle that puts a big smile on your face every time you pick it up then it has to be the 97. (And I just have to agree on that bloody bear trap. You can be as sneaky as you like in the field but if cocking your gun sounds like someone opening a can of beans with a penknife you're at a disadvantage.)
Nice review of these two popular springers put up against each other, Thanks for sharing.
Great review, thanks! Despite being right-handed, I shoot from my left shoulder (due to a weaker right eye)...so a key reason why I went for a HW97K over the TX200 is that in standard format, the ambidextrous beech stocked HW has a £££ advantage over the AA.
They are a pair of guns that personal preferences will be a issue. Graet to see you back, great review.
Thanks Iwan! I completely agree, there's no real wrong choice between them neither.
Took some time but than you get some hot stuff!! Thanks for posting.!
Great review as ever - keep up the good work Dan 😊
I own a TX200 Mk3 early 2023 model. After PCPs and rimfires I found that the slow lock time really didn't suit me at all. I fitted a TBT short stroke kit (no affiliation) and my groups tightened up like magic. Of course, your mileage may vary. Lovely rifle, nice wood, nice metalwork, handles well. Took a couple of evenings to acclimatise to the quirky anti-bear trap but this gun's a keeper.
Hey bud!
Exactly my thoughts, it needs to be slightly zippier in the shot cycle in my eyes and I've no doubt that since you've tweaked it that it'd probably outshoot both rifles here. That one will be a keeper I'm sure.
An excellent, very thorough and honest review. Thanx!
As far as I can tell, the TX's only advantage over Weihrauch's is it's bridge opening being lower (deeper) so that the gun is capable of accommodating longer scopes.
Hi. I have owned both of these guns, except my TX 200 was the full size version in .177. HW 97 is the same in .22 black synthetic. Unfortunately, I had to trade one of them in, for a Daystate Wolverine R. It was a tough choice to make. Both guns shot great. However, I kept the HW 97. It is just a really fun gun to shoot. The best pellet for my HW97 is the JSB hades in .22. 👍
They're a great rifle the HW, when you've got a great platform to build from with the HW77 Weihrauch couldn't go wrong.
Hey Dan. Best comparison video of both air rifles I've seen. Great job and owning a HW97KT black line made me smile. I would love to own the TX200 but just too expensive now.
Great review! owner of 97K 77K 50S all in 4.5mm . fantastic rifles no doubt. i have filled the synthetic hollow buttstock of the 97 with playdough mixed with nuts and bolts. rifle its quite heavy now but it has got virtually no recoil and twang has disappeared. 77 and 50 are with tinbum kits and 97 has Vortek. greetings from Bulgaria
Great video Dan. You did say, when I saw this week, that you’d be finishing this off,so well done. Good that, unlike other reviewers, you didn’t sit on the fence. I’ve had both and now only have the 97, as I just couldn’t get on with the cocking and breech of the TX200.
The one saving grace of filming it over a few months is that the viewers didn’t have to suffer the sight of your white legs walking up and down to the target😅
They'd be white if I filmed wearing shorts the other day I'll tell you that Richard hahahaha.
I didn't want to take the political easy way out, there's no point in a shoot out if there's no winner in my opinion. To be fair I definitely see the appeal to the TX and it has its advantages over the HW but like you I'd be keeping the 97. If they could sharpen up that shot cycle just a tad on the TX and throw that anti beartrap mechanism in the bin you'd have the best underlever possibly ever made.
Great review and very informative and interesting video Dan 👍🏻
Brilliant review 👍
Thanks Lee!
Have them both and they both have plusses and negatives but to me the air arms tx200 hc mk2 is absolutely perfect
Great video mate 👍 I own two HW 97's with wooden stock and most of the other HW models and i was thinking to get myself a TX too but i changed my mind seeing your video. For the money i prefer the 97 and rather get myself a HW77 i can use with iron sights. I also like a bit more front weight. By the way, the 97 has no anti bear trap system. Not even close to that. Cheers!
Good video Dan, thanx. I've owned both guns, as well as a Pro Sport, and IMHO there is very little in it, they are all great guns, so it just comes down to personal preference. Personally I sold the TX and still have the 97 and the PS. Cheers 8-)
Excellent in depth review, cheers mate! I own both the HW97 (new sporter stock model) and the TX200 HC MK3 with the walnut stock, and my conclusion based on years of shooting with them is; the TX is over-engineered where the HW97 is like an unpolished diamond. As far as hunting goes, it's the Weihrauch bar none because of that anti-bear trap on the AA! Otherwise, I just love them both equally from a shooting perspective, although from a aesthetics p.o.v. the TX is just more refined.
Couldn't agree more! I should've just saved us all some time and just posted this comment haha!
You would be happy with either but as you commented the TX is prettier and I do love the fishscale stippling on the newer guns. As far as bluing the TX wins hands down.
100%. The TX is in another league when it comes to the quality of finish.
Great review thank you
Had both and prefered the 97. I just did not get on with the AA abt. I did however do extensive work on the 97. I got Shauny from the AGF to tune and make a set of guides. I fitted an adjustable butt pad plus added a little weight to the rear of the stock. I added baffles to the fore end and finally I used a soldering iron with flat bit to add a basket weave stippling and the grip it gave was amazing. It looked amagins (it was the stainless version). I traded it with a friend however as the cocking was getting too much with my arthritis. I traded for a HW90k that I am so happy with. Better balance and silky smooth cocking and firing cycle. I am about to get rid of my pcp's and pick up some more springers/rammers
Brilliant stuff Will. Shauny is a bit of a wizard when it comes to springer tuning. Do you have any pictures of your 97? I'm on the AGF as Big Dan I'd love to see it.
The HW90 is a lovely rifle I've got to get one filmed when I can.
Thanks Will and look after yourself.
My Walnut lh tx200hc , was the nicest springer I have ever shot, was £250 in perfect condition before prices went through the roof
Bargain of the century there Scott!!
That was a bargain Scott, I’ve shot for over fifty years and I’ve shot all kinds and makes of airguns but I wanted what I’d call the pinnacle of them all, the pro sport in walnut stock in 177. Now I’m a leftie and that always causes problems for many like myself. And you mentioned prices going through the roof well my pro sport in lefty cost me £975!!! But it is a work of art and very very accurate to the point I’m more or less getting pellet on pellet at 35 yards and that’s nigh on pcp territory.
I also have the 97 in blue laminate and I bought it from a lad who had only had it six months and I know he’d paid around the £600 mark as he bought it online as a package deal, scope bag pellets etc and still had the receipt and I paid £300 for the lot. Since I found a mint beach stock and that only cost me about £60 so I can take it out on the vermin and not worry about bashing the blue laminate, that one is in 22 and again very accurate but as the big man says the air arms triggers are better than the record by a long shot and that’s saying something.
The problem with AA guns is if you’re a left handed shooter you pay a premium, the bear trap is a bit of a faff. Also all the tx200 I’ve shot the triggers moved side to side what’s that all about? The feel was nothing to write home about.
Needless to say I’m a fan of the HW97 I own 2 one in in .22, .177 both in tactical stock and I’ve got another on order in fitted a green laminate 77 stock.
As for accuracy between the two there’s no discernible difference.
I think it doesn't get better than either, just personal preference. I'm a big Weihrauch fan & I think they're better value than the TX200.
I've had both and the HW was a much more comfortable fit. Both will do the job equally, but the TX will cost you £200 more
Great review... two extras I would love to see. 1) Oversea full power models, 2) strip and spring lube maintenance. Both of these were considerations for me when I picked my rabbit hunter.
btw.. spring twang is a strange thing to worry about... stand 4-5 feet way from either of them when fired and you wont hear it... neither do the bunnies.
Hi MisterBaker!
I'd have loved to look into the FAC versions but it took long enough to get these two filmed haha. In regards to maintenance the AA is easier to strip no question. The HW isn't difficult but the AA is very similar to Cometa in the way it can be stripped.
As for twang I always mention it as although you're right you won't hear it down range the "boing" can put people off of some guns.
The clacky faff of the docking cycle of the TX would be enough to put me off but it's the breech opening that is the deal breaker for me, I'm left handed so loads pellets with my left hand but am right eye dominant and shoot right handed so the 97 has it for me.
I love my 97 (wood stock), simple, elegant and it hits what I point it at.
That's a really interesting comment for me. I own a Walther LGU, which is as close to a TX200 as you can get. I am right-handed, but left eye dominant, your mirror image, and have absolutely no problem loading pellets. I do appreciate your point though (I have an occasional hiccup loading magazines in pcp's from the left) and will try to load left-handed next session with the LGU; it has to be a lot harder for you with the "in -from-the right" set up on the TX, I think that in your position I would also go for the HW97.
Again had the chance to shoot the guns against each other over a period of 4 days, end up buying the HW97, just came down to the cocking differences & £200 two great guns.
HW97KT every day of the week.
I have both and I think the 97 just pips the 200 to the post.
I agree Shaun, it's right with the TX in accuracy but much easier to manage.
I shoot hft with a tx200 OK it's in a 600 quid stock and 300 quid internals, I've yet to see any one on the hft circuit with a 97 or a hw springer that's how good they are no one uses them club or county level
@@notmodeling8070I’m not sure because I don’t take part in HFT and I don’t own a tx 200 but the tx 200 hc has a shorter barrel by almost 3” thus limiting some of the barrels movement in the shot cycle, they also put a muzzle weight on it to make it more accurate which moves the balance point forward and de tune the power then fit the action in a very heavy stock which makes it a better choice for HFT, but this gun would be useless for hunting. Please don’t think I’m biased in my opinion because I really wanted to buy a British gun and I loved the normal tx 200 with the longer barrel but I couldn’t justify the large extra cost that this video didn’t mention.
@@notmodeling8070 Tons of HW's on the HFT circuits plus you're comparing something that essentially now isn't an off the shelf TX. To be fair you've kind of proven my point that the TX still needs tuning to reach its potential.. the same is also said of the HW.
I’ve owned both, shot many hours with both, both are enjoyable & excellent to shoot.
However I’ve settled for a Theoben Gas Ram classic 👌. The best
You lucky devil.
Nice one, Dan. You've put a lot of time into this one. Thank you for that. Oh, and I think it's always better taken from behind 😂😅.
i have had the tx200 but in the end i sold that and now i have the hw77 and the how 97 and i am sorry to say mate the trigger on the HW 97 and the HW 77 ON BOTH GUNS ARE PERFECT
Pro sport is my fav
Great video and you really seem to have been as fair and impartial as you could have been. I have a thumbhole beech version of the HW97 in .22, and a walnut stock TX200HC (MK3) IN .177. I honestly love both and wouldn't part with either. Using AA Diabolo field pellets in both (yes they are different calibres) I get a very similar result to those here. 11.45 ft lbs with the HW and 11.61 with the TX with around a 12fps spread on average with both. They are equally accurate. Completely agree with you on the quieter cocking process making the HW my pick for hunting. The finish on the TX is superior. I have had the HW a year now so it is bedded in more than the TX which is brand new. All things considered, I would just give it to the TX. But....if you take price into consideration aswell, I'd give it to the HW. The only real rivals to these are the Walther LGU and the Dianas. Really enjoyed this video cheers!
Thanks Shenners! The TX is a beautiful rifle no doubt and as mentioned on another day the TX could've spanked the HW. They're so close to each other that to be fair you can't go wrong with either one. I think the TX is definitely the prettiest underlever on the market for sure and as you've mentioned the finish is pretty much second to none.
Great video thanks.
You're welcome Gray
This is a very timely video! I’m looking at buying one of these, the HW97 was preferable because of the price and ambidextrous loading port and stock. That said, the balancing of the TX is better. Hopefully going to a store tomorrow to feel the weight and balance for myself.
Exciting times Timmy let me know which one you decide on in the end. It's neck and neck between these two.
both are better Sir.. it's just depend on which one you like, i had HW 97 .. accuracy top knot.. at 25 yard 10 shot in dime.. every time.. 👌...
Correct HW 97k is a keeper legend . Nice video, Dan Cheers
Happy New Year for 2024 .
I'm with you on this review but in my own opinion I would say the pro sport is the best overall .. Great review as always !!
Hi Colin!
It is a beautiful looking rifle it must be said. I haven't spent much time with a Prosport but I definitely have to get one filmed. It's a sin as a springer fan that I haven't had a play with one.
That HW-97KT is one sexy rifle!
Good videos again. Unfortunately, we don't see you do many reviews on air pistols like the magnum power air pistols which are breakbarrel springers or gas rams like Remington Talon, Hatsan Supercharger, Hw45, Webley Alecto etc. All the best from Lancashire.
A feature of the 97 that people are not always aware of is that the end of the " moderator " screws out using, I think a 7mm allen key. This enables you to fit a adapter to fit a true sound moderator . It does make a difference down range whatever anyone says. I have a synthetic SFS 97 in .177 flavour and love it, had it a few years and its taken a good few rabbits in its time. My only experience with a TX is a 200SR which I have had since new( taken a lot more rabbits,I am old !) but if I could keep only one of my spingers it would be the SR, which sadly is not in production anymore and with the cost of quality springers going through the roof I hate to think what it would cost😮 Thanks for your reveiws.😅
The SR is a beautiful rifle Jeremy I don't know why they took that out of production neither. The TX in general is a fabulous rifle to be fair.
I'm glad you enjoyed the review and remember you're only as old as you feel, which probably makes you younger than me!
nice review, thanks for sharing 👍
Many reviewers forget about silent cocking for hunting but you did not. Well done!
Did you adjust the sear engagement on the hw (often a torx)?
For looks and ease of disassembly the AA is a clear winner but overall the hw takes it for me personally.
So, my go to is the 97k .177 with a plastic stock, custom guides and a tuned trigger.
thanks Brother to doing this.. i had HW97 i alway want to buy TX200 to compare the accuracy .. but now i got this..👌.. i think i go for R7 backyard friendly..😀.. and practice ..✌️✌️..
I've put in excess of 45,000+ pellets through my 177 97k and I fitted a Tinbum spring and top hat kit to it around 20,000 pellets because of the annoying factory spring twang. Superb! Shoots as accurately as the day I bought it, if not even more consistently in power with the easily fitted Tinbum kit. It is a scope killer though with the recoil but a firearm scope from Discovery sorted that out and stopped the zero moving. Ref the recoil, if I zero a target on the crosshairs from a benchrest/bipod at 25 yards I need to aim 4 mildots high when shooting unsupported from the shoulder to hit the centre of the target as it seems to recoil down and not up, which is counter-intuitive. Can't fault the gun. I have expensive PCPs and this gets brought to the range with them because it needs a more involved and focussed experience to shoot that is frankly more satisfying. The biggest drawback is the weight. Its a hefty lump with a big scope fitted and can be a workout for smaller stature folks to cock and hold. Ref pellets, I have tried most types in it and the JSB Exact 4.53's are the best in mine. Easy 20p groupings at 47 yards. The barrel likes a tight pellet! I tried the Chinese QYS Streamline pellets and they are a very close second choice at 47yards. My mate's shoots best with the H&N Field Targets though so its down to individual barrels. That said, its an accurate and dependable workhorse that will do the business for years out on the field or at the range.
As an aside, no-one ever seems to discuss temperature. Depending on ambient temperature my PCPs can be pellet on pellet or shoot like dogs on the day depending on which one I am shooting. The 97k seems to be pretty consistent regardless of the temperature which makes it a goto rabbit gun, especially if its freezing out. I can't comment on the TX200 but would be interested to hear how it behaves in baking heat or mid-Winter minus temperatures. All these air seals in guns are made of flexible polymer and polymers are affected by temperature. Why do UA-cam reviewers not do an episode comparing various guns in various temperatures? I suspect the results might be a shock for the high end guns out there! Go on, Dan, be the first to cover this important test...
Had both tx200hc and 97kt . Tx tuned by lsd tbt kit in 97 . Tx best looking but as I do pest control the messing with cocking it just dropped it for me .just sold it and still got the 97 .
If they could remove that anti beatrap mechanism it'd be a much much better rifle. It's still a stunning gun but it's just too clunky.
Great vid sir!
And I'm with you with that silly AirArms click clack.
I hope AA listen and just do away with it all together.
In the mean time I'm sticking with my Hw97.
I have both hw97 and tx as they are both best spring rifles in the market but i would always prefer tx over hw97 because of its quality and engineering
Hi mate, will you be doing more reviews in 2024, because I really enjoy them and find them
very informative and keeps us updated about guns outside the uk,and you tell it as it is , keep up the good work,cheers Aubrey .
I drove 112 miles to a shop, which had both rifles second hand. I fancied the HW97 if only on price, but it had gone so the TX200 came home. A lovely rifle, not really concerned about the trap click; a slight oil made it less noisy, but the safety might not engage if the lever is not completely pulled. Only problem is the possibility of dropping small .177 pellets into the breech slide space whilst loading which probably is the same for both rifles (if not all under levers but not mentioned in reviews).
Big dan i was recommended weirauch pellets for my Hw97kt and they worked a treat
Great video. Many other YT reviewers could benefit from your insightful approach. I wished you had discussed the difference in takedown and maintenance.
Hi Mike!
Thanks ever so much for the kind comments. I did consider mentioning maintenance and how the TX is an absolute doddle to strip however the video would've been far too long (I intended to film both). There's also the fact that many springer shooters don't even strip their rifles.
In hindsight I wish I'd filmed something. Maybe in the summer I'll see if I can do another TX vs HW video where I can go to longer ranges and mention maintenance.
Great review, thanks.
I find them both very similar but prefer a TX. The full length TX is much easier to cock than the HC, also you can de-cock a TX easily but with a 97 you need to fire it. The anti bear trap on TX's is clicky but on a 97 it's just a slim metal slider which prevents a trigger pull when cocked, some people remove it to allow decocking.
HW take a little longer to dismantle/reassemble when adjusting power or servicing, the CD trigger can be disassembled, polished and reset quite simply, Rekord triggers are generally excellent but trickier to take apart.
One big advantage of the 97 is that it's cheaper to buy. Both are incredibly tough and will last for decades. I have a 1992 MK1 TX, still competitive at HFT.
Great video again Dan even if I'd go the other way 😂 next you need a pair of tuned examples........
The 97 kt is my first gun. Standing with a rest I can put 5 in a nickel at 25 yards. Using Stoeger x-hunt pellets. The gun makes it easy.
The 97 purely on price. I wish my TX200 had a synthetic stock!
As much as i love the TX200HC , the cocking sound will scare off any pest youre trying to shoot at close range. For that reason for hunting i prefer the hw97k. But if youre talking overall besr springer then for me its the pro sport no questiond asked💯
This will upset a lot of people , but I agree that virtually constant clicking when cocking on the TX would really annoy Me . Thanks Dan , Catch You next time . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.
Owned both and sold both, currently own a 95k in .22, much preferred the TX over the 97 and have had several TX’s in various guises over time, sadly neither rifle was particularly conducive to easy hunting/stalking due to the weight of both hence being replaced with the 95.
TX all the way I love mine never mist a beat in 23years . Thanks for review Dan regards😊😊
Wow! Very difficult call. Both are top end and excellent. I think they are equal quality that said looks must go to the TX🤷♂️. It’s just gorgeous!
Hi Heath!
I agree, the HW is an excellent rifle but the TX is absolutely gorgeous. Like you said it's mainly user preference depending on which you'd truly choose as they're so well matched!
Always owned a 97 in 22 ❤
I have a 1992 tx200 its still going strong, doesn't make that noise when being cocked but my got its heavy. By far tthe heaviest gun in my cabinet.
Hi Garry.
That'd be an earlier Mk TX before they longstroked the action. That'd be a beautiful rifle to shoot I'm sure.
My HW77 had a V-mach spring installed when I bought it 2nd hand and it had a LOT of twang. I did some maintenance, installed a spring sleeve, new top hat and guide etc. and it still twangs, only less. Maybe I should have used more grease, who knows
In this line up i always want to see the walther LGU (with metal or match trigger replacement, cause the plastic one should not be on it in the first place) i love that gun and for half of the price and don't understand why Walther stopped making them.
Both are very nice looking rifles.🤠🇺🇸
Rather enjoyed that Big Dan , Thanks .
You're welcome Ray.
Good Morning Mate Something to watch on my Night Shift 🤔🤔🤔👍🏻😁
You watch me on your night shift Yeti? Shouldn't you be watching a late night nude channel or something? 😂😉
Hiya mate another great video and show down, i have shot both , both with the wooden stocks, and i was torn between, i luved them both, being honest i couldnt make my mind up between them, they both shot amazingly, but like you the thing that would make me choose between them is the stupid cocking mechanism on the tx 200, so for me ill go with the Hw 97 mate Cheers 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
We haven't mentioned price. AA doesn't do a synthetic stock gun so I reckon the 97 is better value if you can live with plastic. Probably little difference where beech or walnut is concerned.
My full size TX 200 with a beautiful walnut stock cost £750. The black synthetic, HW97 cost me £500. The difference is the cost of a good scope. 👍
The TX's are expensive these days, I didn't mention cost as it was more a video of the performances of both rifles. You are 100% correct though.
I really don't see how anyone can compare Plastic with Wood ? It affects the felt recoil and shifts the Balance of the gun - I got the 97stl and a few weeks later bought a left hand stock for it !!
@@nickm3096 Hi Nick! You're bang on and in an ideal world I would've had a wood stock on the 97. That said I did have one at the time but it had an aftermarket target claw fitted to the buttstock. I chose the synthetic as it was at least standard and a popular choice for the HW.
The trigger on my TX200 is the best trigger action I've ever used and I have Weihrauchs too.
i tried both at the local shooting range on a still afternoon to see if i wanted an underlever.
discerning points
The mark 3 TX is beautifully made enough to pass down generations,
the HW was too front heavy for shooting standing or kneeling as i tend to do so for hunting,
(i also read the TX has won more target trophies than every other manufacturer combined)
the TX bear trap needs improved but is not such an issue that i would feel it necessary to go on and on about it.
Dan couldn't overcome a Weihrauch bias,
I have an an Air Arms bias; the Air Arms 410 tdr is mostly my favourite rifle.
i bought a LH stock TX200 HC.
My true defining factor you didn't address;
Air Arms excellent factory aftermarket service and support.
Great review.
Great comment although not so much the bias remark unless it's tongue and cheek, I've upset the HW fanclub with my reviews more than once and one of my catchphrases is "WSS" which is "Weihrauch safety syndrome" along with complaining about their QC.. which is fair as their bluing is rubbish. I even showed this on my HW97 review along with mentioning how the spring had snapped.
As for the TX it's a stonking rifle and I can see why it's as popular as it is. That said the MK2 TX is the better rifle in comparison to the current Mk3 as mentioned by many of competition shooters due to the long stroke fitted to the new rifles making them lazy to shoot in hand.. which sadly this rifle on test was. For me the faster lock time of the HW outperformed the lazy shot cycle of the TX off the palm. The only bias I have is towards a working rifle which from a handling perspective (for me) the HW97 pips the TX. Loading is superior on the HW along with accuracy (for me) off hand.
From a quality perspective I mentioned the TX is better.. the finish is superb and for bench rest it's no doubt an easier rifle to shoot as mentioned once again in the review.....
The TX's loading mechanism is atrocious, plenty of TX owners also admit that it could be smoother and even Air Arms reduced the notches between the Mk2 and Mk3. Even Chinese companies can make underlevers with better anti beartrap mechanisms and considering the cost of the TX these days it deserves all of the criticisms it gets.
If AA can fix these issues and go back to the MK2 shorter stroke it'll be the best spring gun ever made. Until then the HW97/77 will always be a thorn in its side.
Sorry for writing a book haha.
@@bigdansairguns83 no problem,
it was tongue in cheek as you chose the wrong rifle from mine and the markets perspective ☺
Of the 2 shown i wouldn't look at a polymer thumbhole stock and the cheaper finish,
the HW is a tool, the TX is art, the Marinello Laser stippled walnut stock is a joy to behold.
Seriously tho' i had 3 budget break barrels
the best is a Gamo Maxim,
my Seneca/Sumatra 2500 leverarm (cowboy) was needing parts i couldn't find,
Lets look for the best looking and stastisticly most accurate fixed barrel rifle
cost not a problem.
answer TX200.
both the HW and TX are not carry all day rifles,
mine i bought for looks targets and admiration, it complements other target rifles Logun Sweet 16, Hatsun Gladius with thumbhole polymer stock 🙄
General shooting; I hate killing but rat vermin during harvest etc,
using a BSA ultra .22 Air Arms (excellent company:) 410 TDR .22, Kral Puncher Bullpup 177 thumbhole polymer stock 🤔
Both you and i Dan chose our best rifle.
Looking forward to more reviews.
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@@monstersince Absolutely well said monster and with these two it genuinely is more or less down to preference. The Ultra and S410's are excellent rifles. Plain Jane to an extent according to some but plain Jane works and will stack pellets for years to come.
The TX200 looks like a Mark 2 which is short stroked and better compared to the Mark 3 TX200. I have both these guns and prefer the TX200 for the reasons you've mentioned and its much easier to work on.
I have the Walther LGU MasterPro. They are all very similar, barring the triggers. Not to mention Diana's similar underlever models and the Chinese copies of the TX200.
Top DIana's are side lever.
You would think these are the best springers, until you have tried the Walther LGV Master Pro with a tuned trigger.
Or the LGU! Sadly I don't think they sell them in the UK any more. They're supposed to be beautiful rifles to shoot.
I used to have a TX200 and loved it, but I eventually sold it. I did replace it with a Pro-Sport though.
Had them both and still have the hw . But for the looks its the tx hands down.
For the price the 97k is the beter buy for accuracy.
Have a good new year 🎉🎉dan
As much of a tie for both rifles, cost has to play a part for the consumer. Thats quite a price tag for the TX and its biggest downside for me.
I agree Keith. As much as I like the TX the price of them has gone a bit silly. The latest TX's are around £1000. Madness!
@bigdansairguns83 you can get a used tx200 for around £350 to £600.
Rubish
I'm in US own 35 air rifles. AA and Weihrauch full power and tuned. The 97 beats my 200 any day you do need the right pellets both have their favorites. Both are at about 16 ftlbs. I had too many quality issues with the 200 known by AA but sent out anyways. The 97 may not be as pretty but had no issues. Triggers equal but 97 was easier to adjust.
Great in depth comparison
Wonder how the legendary HW77 would of fared 👍
Hi Richard! I couldn't compare that as tempting as it was as our one is tuned and it'd be unfair. But... I'd say very well. 😎
I've owned all over the years, to be honest it's the same gun as the 97, the 77s have open sights and no built in silencer, the 97s all day, l don't think they can be beaten.
I have both but found after real world use in our typical weather conditions, the TX is far more durable. The 97 rusts for fun.
Hi Brechany!
I agree. The finish on the TX is in another league. Even my own HW97's bluing is literally fading away.
My 97 had rust problems but do love it
Just tryed a tx200hc and conpaired to my mk2 77 very intresting 😊
Which did you prefer in the end Carl?
@@bigdansairguns83I prefer 77 trigger the hc is shorter and lighter the hc clicking when cocking does not upset the rabbits funny enough they are both great airgun the hc blueing is better but I have had my 77 nearly 40years the 77 easier to load and the hc is British it's a draw for me 🤦♂️
It would have been good to use some AA diablo pellets in the test . I have a HW97KT and it's favourite pellet is AA diablo 4.51 .177 . Also because I shoot the HW all the time I find when I have shot friends TX 200s I am never as accurate as I am with my own rifle
AA pellets are the same as FX pellets because they’re made in the JSB factory on one of their 20 machines that regular JSB’s are made with.
I have both rifles and I end up shooting my hw97 more than the tx. AA needs to put the short piston back in the new tx200 mk3 series . Also, one big factor for myself is I'm left handed. I had to train myself to reload the tx200 properly. I will say the only perk with the tx over the hw97 is? The tx200 is incredibly easy to break down and that's it as far as a significant difference between the hw97k and the tx200. All in all it's a matter of preference for the shooter.
For me #1 hw97 #2 tx200 but again that's my opinion.
There both very matched hard choice 🤔 but I'd go TX
It was a very hard one this one David it must be said.
does the 97, still have muzzle droop, like the old 77, or has that been sorted now?
Hi Dan and to all TX200 and HW97K ers. Thank you for an honest, great review of these two heavyweight air rifles.
Without being a smart arse, I have both these air rifles. Air rifles were forbidden growing up for me, so I'm catching up on lost time!
They are two fantastic air rifles, no question but for me, they both bring something different to the party.
I see the TX as gorgeous all over, the fishscale chequering for me is a knee trembler. I dont like the cocking clonks of the TX.
I do like the cocking and loading ritual of the 97K in comparison. I like not having to to press a button to return the underlever. It's so so close.
Dan, my TX buzzed and twanged alot more than yours. I didnt want to meddle, as I like my air rifles as they come from the professionals, though I had to do something here.
I ended up sleeving the spring, inside the piston. It works so much better now and is more accurate. I can't remember if I sleeved the spring guide or not?
While I'm on, Dan, can you recommend a good cronogragh for the working man?
Take care, my friend, Ian.
Press the button as you cock the TX in order to keep it silent.
@@CdEmm50 Yes, my friend, that's what I do.
My point was, on the 97K, you don't need to do that. It's one thing less to do. If you're hunting, that's good.
I have both of these guns I'd say they are both quality guns however I believe tx has an upper hand in terms of built quality and looks and easier to change main spring unlike another Springer
Would be great to see an air arm's se 90 tested always wanted one as a kid
What is the most budget springer you have hunted with? Or would you only trust something like the 97, 77 or tx200? Also regarding the “clicky” tx200, I keep reading and watching videos on how stealthy we need to be when hunting rabbits and yet I recently seen a haul of over 100 rabbits shot in a few hours with a shotgun! 🤦🏻♂️