02:4303:07 this sounds really badass This is like my ideal drum tone. Very reminiscent of Abe Cunningham from the Deftones and works wonders for hardcore / pop punk and many other genres.
bro i almost starved to death on my own hill preaching this, people were so ignorant to this matter they didn´t even want to engage in a conversation. good to know i wasn´t alone 🤣
Neither haha, this is my studio set up a mixing on the avid s3 as my control surface into logic pro X! I really want to use room snares for live sound too though, I’m trying to figure out how to pull that off without the latency I do love the LV1 though, I’ve mixed with it doing FOH, I’m on the CL5 with waves sound grid at the church I mix for right now but we’re gonna be getting the PM10 soon
@@david_djent CL5 upgrade to the PM10 is a dream come true 😍! There are a few low latency ideas. Main one being Dante card, route to a machine running trigger 2 then route back to a channel on the board. I mix a church with an Allen & Heath SQ7. I’m playing with the idea of running waves superrack performer but don’t have any chains prepared lol. I’m hoping to find a few gems on your page that I can implement 😁🙏🏾
@@MikeDareyeah it would just be expensive to get another interface with Dante to spit out trigger 2 tracks back but yeah that’s the only thing I was thinking of too. But yeah superrack performer would be sick! Can’t go wrong with throwing R Vox on all your vocals and CLA76 with dynamic eq and multiband to start!
I recently bought some TCI samples from Robot Dog, and I didn't initially think much of the room samples. But once I started triggering the room sample on it's own track and EQing and mixing to taste, it was **chef's kiss**
Yeah especially if you got some room samples that were tracked in a huge room, the decay you can get is crazy. If you compress the living crap out of them too you can get a pretty insane tail
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@@LucidLiquidity I usually use mixwave and GGD libraries. I love the Thomas pridgeon and the original Matt halpern signature library from GGD the most and I program everything in logic!
I’m not 100% sure since I don’t fully remember but it sounds like the Mixwave Thomas pridgeon signature snare room sound, and I use that one a lot so it’s mostlikely that. Knowing me I probably blended 1 other snare rooms in trigger with it but I’m pretty sure the Thomas pridgeon is the main sound
Or you make your own, or you make samples during the sesh and then process them to emulate the sound of a room (search "how to create a fake room track " type of videos, like the one by Todd Barriage from years ago, that i can't find again sadly). ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=fake+room+mic
You can some room out the snare to if you smaack the hell out of the beginning transient and just use the ring ... however, one must not have terrible bleed into in their snare mics from cymbals
Great vid, and can't believe you have this little subs. Great content. I'm been using snare room samples / building fake rooms instead of reverb lately and it is a game changer for sure. OHs sound really good, what mics/position/height did you use? Just curious as I record in a small room and struggle to get a good sound out of OHs.
Thanks man! I used the C414s I forgot which revision though, might have been the XLS. I went for a spaced pair to get a wide image and I don’t remember the height, I really just eyeballed it, checked in the control room then made an adjustment and lowered them a tad. I definitely had them a little on the higher side though to get more of a kit image and then the ride, stack and hi hat mics gave me more of the direct sounds. Those were sm81s I believe or the akg pencil condenser that is similar
Yeah absolutely! It’s so key when programming drums too and getting them to sound realistic. That slate black beauty is sick for sure I gotta revisit it, and thanks so much! 🤙
@@RogueFire29 without triggering samples no, these are samples of prerecorded live drums but not reverb will be able to recreate a real drum exciting a real room
Maybe a stupid question but what is a room sample? You mean sending it out speakers and recording it in another space? Random tails from a sample pack? Snare room samples from like trigger plugin? How did you go about making it?
Not stupid at all! So when you use a drum sample library, they also record room samples of each part of the kit. So what I do is I will load slate trigger on a snare track, load room samples of either a kick, snare or whatever you’d like, and trigger it off the live snare drum. Then I just print it in place. Sometimes I’ll create an entire “fake room” bus if I do kick and Tom room samples that are triggered in addition to the snare stuff
Nah I don’t, I rarely ever tune any regular samples I blend in either. I’m pretty pragmatic about it, if it sounds good I just don’t question it, but if it rubs in a bad way then I will tune it
Haha but it’s true! There’s an incredible amount of drum samples out there you just have to look. Even googling just “best drum samples for ‘x’ genre” will give you pretty solid results. Personally, I like mixwave libraries and get good drums libraries but I have a bunch of them and there are so many to choose from
@@david_djent thanks for something specific to go on, because just googling isn’t enough for me. It’s like asking what’s the best compressor plug-in. There’s literally hundreds. How would I know what the best is?
Dude, that is a nice sounding track. Just by hearing 5 seconds of that, you are UP there in the engineering department. Yes. Recently made this same discovery. I will probably put more or less room samples on every drum set, because, even if there is a nice roomsound in the recording, if the track has moderate instrumentation, the room will get eaten and a good room recording will sound like a natural tight recording, so you add the rooms and make the drums sound like they do in solo, but in the track, more or less :)
Thanks so much for the kind words man! Honestly the musicians made it so easy, plus we recorded into an old SSL 4K running through a bunch of stuff so that always helps haha. But yeah room samples are almost always something that can improve a drum recording, when I’m mixing metal I make a bunch of room tracks lol
damn man, this video has really good production quality for such a small channel. your going to be hitting it big with this one.
Thanks so much I really appreciate those kind words!!
I like this guy
08:35 very interesting point about the toms and the kicks not needing room samples here !
Yeah sometimes I will do it (mostly in metal stuff), and it’s how I get Tom’s to sound like war drums haha
@@david_djent hehe i feel you
In hardcore punk and metal toms are a bit more prevalent :)
02:43 03:07 this sounds really badass
This is like my ideal drum tone. Very reminiscent of Abe Cunningham from the Deftones and works wonders for hardcore / pop punk and many other genres.
Thanks dude!!
Cool!!
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Great video !
Where do you find your samples?! They sound awesome!
I think here I was mostly using the mixwave Thomas pridgeon one!
bro i almost starved to death on my own hill preaching this, people were so ignorant to this matter they didn´t even want to engage in a conversation. good to know i wasn´t alone 🤣
Haha yeah forget all the purists, we here to make things sound good, no rules
Are you mixing on the LV1 or studio rack? I’ve never seen a setup like yours before 👍
I’ll be experimenting with room snares for live sound
Neither haha, this is my studio set up a mixing on the avid s3 as my control surface into logic pro X! I really want to use room snares for live sound too though, I’m trying to figure out how to pull that off without the latency
I do love the LV1 though, I’ve mixed with it doing FOH, I’m on the CL5 with waves sound grid at the church I mix for right now but we’re gonna be getting the PM10 soon
@@david_djent CL5 upgrade to the PM10 is a dream come true 😍! There are a few low latency ideas. Main one being Dante card, route to a machine running trigger 2 then route back to a channel on the board.
I mix a church with an Allen & Heath SQ7. I’m playing with the idea of running waves superrack performer but don’t have any chains prepared lol. I’m hoping to find a few gems on your page that I can implement 😁🙏🏾
@@MikeDareyeah it would just be expensive to get another interface with Dante to spit out trigger 2 tracks back but yeah that’s the only thing I was thinking of too.
But yeah superrack performer would be sick! Can’t go wrong with throwing R Vox on all your vocals and CLA76 with dynamic eq and multiband to start!
I recently bought some TCI samples from Robot Dog, and I didn't initially think much of the room samples. But once I started triggering the room sample on it's own track and EQing and mixing to taste, it was **chef's kiss**
Yeah especially if you got some room samples that were tracked in a huge room, the decay you can get is crazy. If you compress the living crap out of them too you can get a pretty insane tail
@@david_djent can confirm - my wife married me for my insane tail 🍑
That sample sounds grrrrrrrreat! (and everything else!)
Thank you dude!
Nice!!!!
Love the channel your the man brotha!!!🔥🔥✅
Thank you so much!!
This channel is criminally undersubscribed, instant sub. Quality video production, slick aesthetic - and the session *actually* sounds good; you can tell this was engineered well from the source. A lot of channels with 10000x the subs trying to tell you how to get the best mix... then you hear their session and it's lifeless. But kudos man, this was full and balanced, punchy, everything sat nicely in the mix. Was shocked when I saw the metrics. Only see up from here, keep at it dude. 🤘
Thanks so much dude I greatly appreciate your feedback and kind words, stoked to have you here! 🙌
@@david_djent Np man! I know these drums were recorded live, but what do you usually use for drum samples? And what do you use to program them?
@@LucidLiquidity I usually use mixwave and GGD libraries. I love the Thomas pridgeon and the original Matt halpern signature library from GGD the most and I program everything in logic!
Great video! I learned something new and appreciate the fresh content. Your console looks God-like lol. I sub'd up for sure
Thanks so much I’m glad to have you! Haha it’s technically not a console it’s the Avid S3 control surface!
Wow excellent sound, instant subscribe! Great material!
Thank you so much, welcome man glad to have you 🙏
Can u tell us what the exact room sample is called? And from which Trigger Pack or Library it's from?
I’m not 100% sure since I don’t fully remember but it sounds like the Mixwave Thomas pridgeon signature snare room sound, and I use that one a lot so it’s mostlikely that. Knowing me I probably blended 1 other snare rooms in trigger with it but I’m pretty sure the Thomas pridgeon is the main sound
@@david_djent Thanks, I'm getting pretty bored with the room choices I have in trigger, great to hear other libraries kicking ass
@@gaetanclybouwyeah man all the Mixwave stuff is incredible, the rooms are awesome on their libraries
Drums sound incredible dude! Subscribed. Also a huge fan of using room samples 😊
Thanks man, and sweet I’m glad to have you along!!
This is amazing. It just gives the room breath. How do I find room samples?
Thanks man! Any drum sampler like Get Good Drums, Mixwave, Steven Slate, Superior drummer etc wil have room mics for the whole kit!
Or you make your own, or you make samples during the sesh and then process them to emulate the sound of a room (search "how to create a fake room track " type of videos, like the one by Todd Barriage from years ago, that i can't find again sadly).
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=fake+room+mic
love your videos. How can I get in touch? :)
No email / website info on your page
Sorry just seeing this! It should be there under my website but this is my email
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Really good video
Thank you!
You can some room out the snare to if you smaack the hell out of the beginning transient and just use the ring ... however, one must not have terrible bleed into in their snare mics from cymbals
Yeah you can definitely get a big more of a tail and body out of the snare, but it won’t be able to replicate a proper room mic sound
Great vid, and can't believe you have this little subs. Great content. I'm been using snare room samples / building fake rooms instead of reverb lately and it is a game changer for sure. OHs sound really good, what mics/position/height did you use? Just curious as I record in a small room and struggle to get a good sound out of OHs.
Thanks man! I used the C414s I forgot which revision though, might have been the XLS. I went for a spaced pair to get a wide image and I don’t remember the height, I really just eyeballed it, checked in the control room then made an adjustment and lowered them a tad. I definitely had them a little on the higher side though to get more of a kit image and then the ride, stack and hi hat mics gave me more of the direct sounds. Those were sm81s I believe or the akg pencil condenser that is similar
Yep. Often its that room or OH sample that puts the drum in the mix. The Black Beauty with Steven Slate OH is money. Cheers! Kick sounds great!
Yeah absolutely! It’s so key when programming drums too and getting them to sound realistic. That slate black beauty is sick for sure I gotta revisit it, and thanks so much! 🤙
but how can we create it ? :)
The only way is to have a large room where can take multi velocity samples of someone hitting a snare and exciting the room!
@@david_djent ok! So there is no way to re create this in a daw ?
@@RogueFire29 without triggering samples no, these are samples of prerecorded live drums but not reverb will be able to recreate a real drum exciting a real room
Maybe a stupid question but what is a room sample? You mean sending it out speakers and recording it in another space? Random tails from a sample pack? Snare room samples from like trigger plugin? How did you go about making it?
Not stupid at all! So when you use a drum sample library, they also record room samples of each part of the kit. So what I do is I will load slate trigger on a snare track, load room samples of either a kick, snare or whatever you’d like, and trigger it off the live snare drum. Then I just print it in place. Sometimes I’ll create an entire “fake room” bus if I do kick and Tom room samples that are triggered in addition to the snare stuff
Room sample = sample of an instrument (ex : snare, kick, tom) captured by a room mic
Do you tune the snare sample to match the one recorded as well?
Nah I don’t, I rarely ever tune any regular samples I blend in either. I’m pretty pragmatic about it, if it sounds good I just don’t question it, but if it rubs in a bad way then I will tune it
Him: good samples are everywhere.
Me: where?! I have no clue where to get any sample let alone good ones.
Haha but it’s true! There’s an incredible amount of drum samples out there you just have to look. Even googling just “best drum samples for ‘x’ genre” will give you pretty solid results.
Personally, I like mixwave libraries and get good drums libraries but I have a bunch of them and there are so many to choose from
@@david_djent thanks for something specific to go on, because just googling isn’t enough for me. It’s like asking what’s the best compressor plug-in. There’s literally hundreds. How would I know what the best is?
Honestly, even if I record in a larger room. There's almost always gonna be a snare room sample in my session.
Oh yeah dude for sure same here I love snare room samples haha. If I don’t unless samples on a session I’m almost always using a snare room
Dude, that is a nice sounding track. Just by hearing 5 seconds of that, you are UP there in the engineering department. Yes. Recently made this same discovery. I will probably put more or less room samples on every drum set, because, even if there is a nice roomsound in the recording, if the track has moderate instrumentation, the room will get eaten and a good room recording will sound like a natural tight recording, so you add the rooms and make the drums sound like they do in solo, but in the track, more or less :)
Thanks so much for the kind words man! Honestly the musicians made it so easy, plus we recorded into an old SSL 4K running through a bunch of stuff so that always helps haha. But yeah room samples are almost always something that can improve a drum recording, when I’m mixing metal I make a bunch of room tracks lol
can i have your room samples?
They’re not mine! I’m using samples from different samplers to get my room sound. I think this one was largely mixwave Thomas pridgeon
Thanks bro