You are wrong. And also not:) Very very seldom one of "those" will survive their bad habits(=ignorance). These few are bad. The vast majority of the "Darwin Award" winners are not even historical side-notes and sad, sad puppies.
Handling truth, or the absence of it, is unfortunately a thing. Where we live in a information space, more than ever, it's pretty sad how people argue without acknowledging that truth, or evidence, is available for all of us and have opinions instead of knowing.
What the hell is a metaphysical anyways? Thoughts, dreams, ideas anything that arises from the brain are not metaphysical nor do those things morph from the physical (constructed by the brain) into the metaphysical (whatever that is). A person could have an inner monologue and the traces of it can be measured by an fmri machine or something like that so if it's uncovered by science it's not hidden therefore not of the supernatural! The next thing is why would god set up it's creation this way so as in one hand provide absolutely no evidence for it's existence (or of the metaphysical) and yet have the metaphysical permeate the physical world behind the scenes at the same time. If such god wanted to be worshipped then this would be a horrible way to go about it. All this divine hiddenness stuff (because reasons) will guarantee that "believers" are going to die unnecessary violent deaths(gee which god should we worship and the resulting wars etc).
Abel doesn't just believe he can't be wrong, he *_knows_* he can't be wrong. The most dangerous of all. With that much certainty you can do anything in the name of your god.
That's why I cannot stand when someone says, "You think you're always right!" as a defense mechanism in an argument/discussion. No... it just so happens that I'm correct more often than not, but I do not know everything. Not anything close to everything.
I once let flew a fart. It smelled like god! You have to believe me. That is so an unusual experience, because I am a woman and I come forward with this in public ... It MUST be the truth! Like "there has to be a ruler", believing that ex-catholic Germans (like me, hehehe) are humorless by default is just a cultivated stereotype. Yeah, culture ... It takes time to get over religions, or better: institutionalized (what a plague!) religions. Don't stop fighting, we should never give up like Abel, Mike! Especially because "the fight" is soooo effing EASY: It's critical thinking. Not more. Not less! Have a good one, Mike:)
Yeah it pissed me off so hard. Jimmy was absolutely right, when he said, that the caller is not joking, when he said he is special. He is clearly special pleading his own senses here.
He's missing an important phrase from Sye Ten. "God put that knowledge in my head in a way that means I can't be wrong about it." Do you remember that when he debated Matt?
Dude I was just thinking the same thing, every time I hear the call start with "I'm a huge fan! " I know its gonna end with Matt swearing at them for making some ridiculous argument or all of them frustrated
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop No Matt here. No, people like this, who have been lied to their whole lives, only have frustration to offer when they figure out they have no solid basis or argumentation for their inherently flawed beliefs.
They teach you to do it. It's something I can remember rejecting. We have the truth, ignore all questions! No, I'm not gonna do that... that's stupid. You are asking me to be stupid.
@@DissedRedEngie "God told me" in the case of Able. Strange btw, how a human can dis-Able himself out of pure ignorance. Another example that faith truly leads to the best Darwin-Awards;)
Abel is so accustomed to being directly dishonest that he can't even keep his own language straight. Masterful of Jimmy to continually hammer on that point at the end.
Not masterful of Jimmy to use phrases like “more sound” and “more valid.” I wish he hadn’t gone for that nonsense. Arguments are either valid and sound as a pass or fail type grade; it’s not a sliding scale where we can compare sound arguments and see which is more sound. I’m surprised Jimmy did that during this call
@@wabbajack2 They, along with Bible studies classes in brick and mortar churches, are the root cause. Online apologists are just a natural evolution of the two.
"I'm not crazy, i'm actually very intelligent." That's like saying "i'm not hungry. I'm actually very tall." They are not exclusive or contradictory conditions. In fact, it's not hard to find examples who are both crazy and intelligent. The movie "A Beautiful Mind" about mathematician John Nash is a perfect example.
@@porkyboy4226 Yes, one was in the early 90s, then another in about 2011. The 2011 Dr told me that after going through a very long testing / screening process, lt took 2 days ( job related) The dr in the 90s was a military dr l had to talk to.
That's not a bad idea. Logically, if a god had near omnipotent power it could change the rules whenever it wanted on an arbitrary whim, thereby compromising any sort of absolute knowledge. You could claim that a god wouldn't do that but how could you possibly know for sure that that god is even what it or its followers claim to be. Without a god, all we have presumably is the natural world. No mind, no agenda, no possibility to deceive. Without a god there is a greater chance that we may be able to stumble onto knowledge in the ways that we do. But with a god, there is no guarantee that what we a seeing/feeling/thinking is the same today as it was yesterday.
What makes it even worse, is that he was specifically asked for this information, therefore it is probably the least wasteful thing he could talk about.
@@IRGeamer that's part of a song. It was on the radio...80's? I can't wait to look in the mirror. I get better lookin each day... Some folks say that I'm egotistical. Hell I don't even know what that means. I guess it may have something to do with the way that I fill out my skintight blue jeans. To know me Is to love me. I must be one HELLLLL Of a MANNN... Something Something But I'm doin the best That I can.
Why I love Jimmy - that ending. "Do you know what's really insulting? Being hung up on mid-sentence." Then that smile as he let the guy start to talk on. Was it an a-hole move? Sure, but it's also the only justified response to someone who you gave 40 minutes of your time and an audience with the assumption that he was an honest interlocutor when he demonstrably wasn't.
The depths of dishonesty and flat-out lying that comes from the "morally superior" theist callers is always, somehow, both astounding and totally expected.
I love presups. It's literally impossible to argue with them. If they're gonna just presuppose their god is needed to truly "know" anything, then I'll just presuppose you don't need god to "know" anything.
@AnonYmous-yj9ibYeah, it's literally starting with the conclusion, assuming it's true and then walking backwards to justify it. And even when all the justifications crumble (because they're shit), the conclusion still stands because you started out by presupposing that it's true. It's literally "I win because I win".
@@FourDeuce01I tend to believe apologetics is wrong, but wonder if ppl actually think that C S Lewis, for example gives kindergarten level reasoning. Brilliant ppl can be wrong, but still wish we could see a video of Valkai or someone making Lewis reconsider his beliefs. He claimed that he converted from atheism reluctantly, but was intellectually forced to do so. Ppl like Lewis, Muggeridge (God’s Gargoyle), William Buckley, et al, think a priori arguments can prove god. Muggeridge was a recurrent quest on Firing Line. He and Buckley agreed that a monk or someone like that proved god in the Middle Ages. B asked M about doubt and M said it was an essential part of belief. I thot yeah, as long as u end up believing. M said that non believers lack the vocabulary to understand theological arguments. M seemed like a nice old man until u listen long enuf. He told the Monty python guys to their face that the humor in Life of Brian was childish. U could see Cleese getting more annoyed as the debate went on. Don’t blame him. M seemed to lack humor. At least the fat bishop who was on his side had a sense of humor.
Go one further "I presuppose that you don't really believe in god your just doing it to grift money out of innocent people and since presuppositions are correct you better start apologising to the people you've stole from"
You guys did great. This call was infuriating for me because Abel argues exactly the same way my dad argues. He argues semantics, he tries to bully up with his point, he puts words in your mouth, then he tries changing the subject just to get you to agree with him on something so he can call it a win.
"God exists because without God you couldn't know anything." That's like saying "Prometheus existed because without Prometheus we wouldn't have fire." I doubt Abel knows who Prometheus is, tho.
At least Prometheus is worthy of adoration. He sacrificed himself, literally sacrificed that is, not took a mildly uncomfortable long weekend, to give Humanity fire and the ability to stand upright before the gods.
It makes sense if your definition of God is "whatever it is without which we could not know things". But then calling that "God" would be very confusing.
Out of 7.5 billion people God chooses to talk to him.... Cos he's super intelligent.... Somebody needs a big mummy hug and be told that they are loved!
I presuppose your day's been brightened and will take no claim running counter to me thinking this worked since I'll perceive it as denial. No need to thank me, you're welcome lol.
It's so funny watching Forrest when he just checks out of the caller's idiocy. He starts acting like a bored 5 year old just bouncing in place and absentmindedly glancing around his room. 🤣
@@donnykees5848 everytime he just looks off towards the side or ceiling, i just start inserting mental dialogue for him "Did I leave the stove on? Did I remember to get that last bag of groceries out of the car before starting the stream? I think that was the one with the yogurt in it. Damn, should I text my partner to check? Do I remember unloading yogurt? Why do we call it yogurt anyway? That's a really weird sounding word when you think about it. Yogurt.....yooooogurt. Gurt....hehe, words are funny. Oh! Huh?" *glances back at the feed for a second* "Oh....eh, this chucklefuck is still babbling about noah's ark and having faith in faith to find truth in faith, and it's just a theory bullshit....so what was I thinking about? Right! Yogurt! Almost sounds like you are saying hello to a gastrointestinal disorder. Yo Gurt! How you doing?! Heh. Hmm, what other words could I come up with that are me saying hello to biological disorders. Suppression! Sup 'pression! Still feeling down and low?! Heh. I'm clever. I came up with the closet goblin that eats subway sandwiches. Huh..that's another weird word. Sandwich. Sand Witch. Are there any desert cultures that have an equivalent to a witch from European mythology? Is that how the earl's family got their name? Is that a water stain on my ceiling? Nope, just a spider. Hmm, ok maybe I should pay attention again and rap up this call" *total elapsed time, 45 seconds* 🤣
I heard Dillahunty say once something like "can you name one new piece of information you didn't know that you learned from all these conversations w God?
I've thought that too. Why don't the people who think they have a personal relationship with God ask him how he poofed the universe into existence? Scientists are trying to work out how it happend and there's people who could just ask him and get a response, aren't there?
These conversations HAVE to happen, to try and pull America away from the damaging religiousity that infects it. And since religious belief is force fed to many Americans from birth, they refuse to listen to common sense, cause it has the potential to destroy their world.
Great work Jimmy. That was an almost perfect call. You walked that caller through the whole mental process of taking your side and accepting your position. Your opening statement set the hook. Nailing him down on validity vs soundness was masterful. Keep it up.
Oh man, I laughed hard at the ending - Jimmy implied he was going to cut him off mid-sentence, then started letting him talk… then a grin and a fade-out to the outro 😂😂😂😂 Well done Jimmy. 👍🏼
one of the hardest calls to watch that i've seen so far. It still amazes me that there are millions of people like this in the US and I feel surrounded by them unfortunately.
That one script is all they have, and it's not about convincing non believers, it's the nigerian prince, this is only going to hook in gullible people.
I once somehow hallucinated an entire conversation with my grandad when I was on a long-distance drive. When I asked my grandad about the topic we discussed during the hallucination, he said "We never talked about that". It was such a weird experience, especially since my grandad had passed away years before that happened.
This caller is lying, or suffering from a delusion, when he claims that he has physical, sensory interactions with a god. In either case, his claim cannot be rationally justified and must be rejected. Yet he also claims that his supposed sensory interactions and the conclusions he reaches from them cannot be anything except true. This is the ultimate self-deception.
I go with he's delusion, rather it was a hallucination or a misunderstanding or just that weird thing your mind does to distort memories after the fact I can't say. Doesn't fully matter but Christians tend to latch onto faulty logic and big retellings of events that make the memories more and more extreme each time you remember it and Christian churches often use methods known to miniplate emotional experiences. the liars tend to make more sense and avoid the traps he fell into.
@@richardsuplee8137 Delusion seems more consistent with the symptoms than simple hallucination. A reasonable person can consider the possibility, at least in the abstract, that a given experience might be a result of hallucination. That person would look for corroborating evidence from different sources and apportion their confidence accordingly. A delusional person will resist doing any of that reasonable, objective sanity checking, and just go with "I feel a strong sense of conviction, so I must be right." What's interesting is that, in principle, a delusional person may be correct. They may, in fact, have seen the Loch Ness Monster or whatever. (This is the "true" part of justified true belief.) But if they insist, without the "justified" part, that they're right, then they are merely delusional. Guessing right isn't good enough.
@@richardsuplee8137it’s not even that complicated. They literally think the voice in their head is god. These are people who don’t believe death is real. That is a profoundly dangerous concept.
Yep. No way a person could distinguish between a hallucination and real interaction with anything. Any idiot could have a vision they don't understand and think it's god
@@johns1625 not neccessarily correct. You can distinguish both...but. There is this big but. You have to know why it has to be an illusion. Otherwise your brain will just accept it as real. Happened to me once. It was pitch black. I saw a golden goldfish in the water with one eye. I saw a yellow leave in the water with my other eye. I realized both were a halluzination, because I knew there wasn't enough light to see any other colour than grey. That's how I found out some a'shole had spiced my drink. It was a really bad night...lets leave it at that 😏
I don't know how you guys deal with people like this. These idiots come up with an argument of some kind that supports their view and refuse to listen to any opposing viewpoint.
All without answering a single question asked. All Abel did was ramble nonsense that had nothing to do with what was asked or flat out dodging by trying to change the subject or ask a question of them in return.
@@brucebaker810 I also remember that guy. I have a hard time to believe, that such people didn´t just make their seemingly supernatural experiences up or if something similar happened, but they already know pretty well, that nothing about what actually happened was special or supernatural at all. If I experience something very special and I am convinced, that I withessed something really remarkable that is the most important thing I could say about the topic, I wont just ask to ignore it in a discussion. "Hey, crime is getting so bad around here. I heard that someone did not pay for a beer in the pub last week and I heard that a friend thought, that somebody might be violent, because the guy stared at him. I also witnessed a bank robbery yesterday, but lets not talk about that. Last year I did not lock my car and I think, somebody might have stolen the coin, which I left on the passengers seat - bad, bad crime." - Not the narrative you would expect from somebody, who really witnessed a bank robbery (or at least honestly thinks so), I would say.
@@martinhuhn7813 Also weird attribution. Had condition x. Doctors examined and diagnosed. Got medicine, surgery, physio. X-rays said it came back. New meds. More surgery. Now healed/controlled. "Praise Jesus!" Uh...whut? Cuz you also prayed? Cuz the docs are people and god invented people? Cuz it exists and, we are assured, has a plan it likes?
Jimny has a knack for comedy When the caller exclaimed," There you go!" Jimmy's response was the perfect mix of incredulity & timing. I loled for real.
and never will be because.... Religious arguments are failing to stop the mass exodus of people leaving churches and Religion in the United States. More and more people are no longer buying it, and are discovering they can and are living moral and spiritual lives without Religion and the god belief(s) Churches know this fact very well and I suspect Religion take more extreme desperate steps to remain relevant before it finally dies.
This is a fascinating topic. I had visions/hallucinations as a believer that I "knew" were real and sent from God. Then, as a de-converted person and atheist, I discovered a way to induce hallucinations without drugs being involved that were MORE real than the 'Believer Visions". The way I did it was to sequester in total darkness for a week. It's called a Dark Retreat. I have dome this five times. Visions can happen. No God needed.
I've been on about 15 meditation retreats in my life. About a week in, it's more common that very real-seeming hallucinations start than not. Zen folks call it "makyo," which means something like, "experiences that fascinate the mind but are irrelevant to the task."
@@juliamacauley7062 It's during the first day or so when there is a response to the sudden lack of stimuli that brings on incessant memory recall. It's like the brain is trying to compensate. After at least three days in the dark, the pineal gland produces a hallucinogen that brings on the visions, which intensify. I am planning on "going dark" for two weeks sometime soon.
Presuppers are pretty cocksure when it comes to pointing out how their world view is immune from the very scrutiny they place on others. Of course it's easy to put so much confidence in something born in your imagination as long as you are not called to actually put your money where your mouth is. I'd like to ask Abel, as a passenger on a plane if he would prefer someone flying it had accredited training and testing or another that said they didn't need any of that because of receiving certification through special revelation.
What do you think would happen if someone set this up with a real plane and real passengers and then told them that if they were not comfortable for the prayer guy flying the plane they could get off. How many do you think would remain? My money is on zero. Even if the plane was full of the most devout Christians it would still be zero.
Considering how many unintelligent people exist, compared to them he could be highly intelligent. Unlike a lot of callers, he hasn’t used derogatory language or insults or become angry when the conversation didn’t go the way he planned. That is evidence of intelligence.
@@jpbaley2016 He thinks passing a test for a cognitive disorder means he is highly intelligent. Just like trump constantly bragging about passing a dementia test.
Imagine going off on this many tangents and attempting to redefine countless commonly used terms/words, all in an attempt skirt the fact you have utterly insufficient evidence for your claim.
*Abel* : _"I_ on the other hand, _do_ have a justification for the validity of my senses, because its based on this absolute chocolate chip cookie! This chocolate chip cookie solves the problem of hard solipsism!!" _Did you use your own senses to determine the validity of that chocolate chip cookie?_ *Abel* : ........... 👀💨💩
This is one of those calls where you're just flabergasted it went on as long as it did. Once he ginally said "We have to be logical", I was done. I hate too that I have known people like this. They do not care and are arguing just for the sake of arguing because they do not want to admit when they are wrong. And in the rarity that they admit they are wrong, they will continue to argue, because you can't be right; if they're wring, then you have to be wrong too.
Things that always need to be defined when speaking with a presuppositionalist: Truth Worldview Knowledge Foundation Logic. You can’t presume to understand what they’re referring to half of the time, because they use private definitions and bank on being able to equivocate terms.
No it's more, you know all those reasons you have for not being able to be 100% sure about anything, I'd like to ignore them for me and conclude that a magic guy actually exists but still hold you to those uncertainties that won't allow you to confirm a jacket is blue
Hahahahaha that hang-up was amazing. Chefs kiss to this whole convo, handled as close to perfection as anyone could ask of a brain in a vat. Only thing I wish I got was more in-depth detail on caller’s interactions with “god”. I need to know if god covers his junk or makes people struggle to make eye contact
Hey did anybody check on Darth lately? This was like a weird, fake-friendly, "simple country lawyer" version of Darth. Do we know if he or Sye or Slicky have a new pawn?
Why on earth does this not have a date for the show this is from in the description anywhere? I know I saw this call before but I'd really like to know when.
Please consider adding a link in the description to the whole show that this call is excerpted from. When I stumble on these I often want to find the whole thing to watch.
"I hallucinated the real God." "I really hallucinated God." "The God of my hallucination was proper hallucination of the actual God that all Religions of the World allude to Atheism Denies as really existing." "My hallucination is better than yours is."
"Could you be wrong about everything (you say) you know?" "No." "Ah, but could you be wrong about that?" "No." Every morning and every night I thank causality for the cogito.
After he heard God, he got himself ‘checked out’. $100 he went to speak to his pastor.
he's very highly intellectigent and he has the words, the best words. don't doubt him.
@@FackeYu Was I supposed to read that in a Trump voice? I did.
@@brotherben4357I didn't at first but now I have, thank you for that
@@brotherben4357 very Trumpish indeed 😂
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Those who believe they can’t be wrong…are the most dangerous of us.
…a real big burden for society.
You are wrong. And also not:)
Very very seldom one of "those" will survive their bad habits(=ignorance).
These few are bad. The vast majority of the "Darwin Award" winners are not even historical side-notes and sad, sad puppies.
Handling truth, or the absence of it, is unfortunately a thing. Where we live in a information space, more than ever, it's pretty sad how people argue without acknowledging that truth, or evidence, is available for all of us and have opinions instead of knowing.
What the hell is a metaphysical anyways? Thoughts, dreams, ideas anything that arises from the brain are not metaphysical nor do those things morph from the physical (constructed by the brain) into the metaphysical (whatever that is). A person could have an inner monologue and the traces of it can be measured by an fmri machine or something like that so if it's uncovered by science it's not hidden therefore not of the supernatural!
The next thing is why would god set up it's creation this way so as in one hand provide absolutely no evidence for it's existence (or of the metaphysical) and yet have the metaphysical permeate the physical world behind the scenes at the same time. If such god wanted to be worshipped then this would be a horrible way to go about it. All this divine hiddenness stuff (because reasons) will guarantee that "believers" are going to die unnecessary violent deaths(gee which god should we worship and the resulting wars etc).
Abel doesn't just believe he can't be wrong, he *_knows_* he can't be wrong. The most dangerous of all. With that much certainty you can do anything in the name of your god.
That's why I cannot stand when someone says, "You think you're always right!" as a defense mechanism in an argument/discussion.
No... it just so happens that I'm correct more often than not, but I do not know everything. Not anything close to everything.
Abel: "Mhmm. I understand."
Narrator: He didn't.
I read that in Morgan Freeman voice lol
@@siLveRscOpe13xI read it in Ron Howard's voice. :D
galochpsiam
*caller brings up contingency arguments*
Narrator: "It was at that moment when the audience knew...he fucked up."
narrator: and he refuse to understand
Abel “You can’t trust or prove your sensory experiences are true!”
Also Abel “my sensory experience of god is proof of him and true”
I once let flew a fart. It smelled like god!
You have to believe me. That is so an unusual experience, because I am a woman and I come forward with this in public ... It MUST be the truth!
Like "there has to be a ruler", believing that ex-catholic Germans (like me, hehehe) are humorless by default is just a cultivated stereotype. Yeah, culture ... It takes time to get over religions, or better: institutionalized (what a plague!) religions. Don't stop fighting, we should never give up like Abel, Mike! Especially because "the fight" is soooo effing EASY: It's critical thinking. Not more. Not less! Have a good one, Mike:)
Yeah it pissed me off so hard. Jimmy was absolutely right, when he said, that the caller is not joking, when he said he is special.
He is clearly special pleading his own senses here.
Yeah maybe. But you see, Able is saying that he has speeeeecial senses. And his caaaaan't be in error.
He's missing an important phrase from Sye Ten. "God put that knowledge in my head in a way that means I can't be wrong about it." Do you remember that when he debated Matt?
It is impressive how delusional most of these callers are.
The confidence of these callers when they first start talking vs. at the end of the conversation is crazy 😂
Dude I was just thinking the same thing, every time I hear the call start with "I'm a huge fan! " I know its gonna end with Matt swearing at them for making some ridiculous argument or all of them frustrated
Exactly the results Anthony Magnabosco(sp?] gets. Look up "street epistemology ". 1) it will confirm the observation you just made & 2) it's AMAZING
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop No Matt here. No, people like this, who have been lied to their whole lives, only have frustration to offer when they figure out they have no solid basis or argumentation for their inherently flawed beliefs.
They teach you to do it. It's something I can remember rejecting. We have the truth, ignore all questions! No, I'm not gonna do that... that's stupid. You are asking me to be stupid.
NA' they gave that up a while back! they simply don't have any where abouts to talk live publicly 😁🙄
"I'm very intelligent."
=Citation Needed=
...very intelligent person needn't say...
Stable genius?
the source is that I made it the fck up
@@DissedRedEngie "God told me" in the case of Able.
Strange btw, how a human can dis-Able himself out of pure ignorance.
Another example that faith truly leads to the best Darwin-Awards;)
What he said also implies that intelligent people with mental issues don't exist. That's just insulting.
He spoke face to face with God and doesn’t want to “waste” too much time going into it??
In fairness, it would have indeed been a waste of time.
So glad he didn’t lol….
Yeah, that is what is strange to me too. God was available to him to answer questions and he came away with nothing.
@@HighStakesDanny God certainly didn't give him a good argument for the existence of god.
@@sthed6832 "I refuse to prove that I exist," says god, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
Abel is so accustomed to being directly dishonest that he can't even keep his own language straight. Masterful of Jimmy to continually hammer on that point at the end.
Not masterful of Jimmy to use phrases like “more sound” and “more valid.” I wish he hadn’t gone for that nonsense. Arguments are either valid and sound as a pass or fail type grade; it’s not a sliding scale where we can compare sound arguments and see which is more sound. I’m surprised Jimmy did that during this call
He is not even listening . Just years of preachers telling him how to not think 💭.
This sounds like it's more the fault of online apologists than brick-and-mortar preachers.
@@wabbajack2Just two dudes that think to know 'god'. Where lies the difference to you?
He sounds like a Darth Dawkins scriptor.
@@wabbajack2
They, along with Bible studies classes in brick and mortar churches, are the root cause.
Online apologists are just a natural evolution of the two.
@@wabbajack2what makes you say that? If true, why does it matters.
"I'm not crazy, i'm actually very intelligent." That's like saying "i'm not hungry. I'm actually very tall." They are not exclusive or contradictory conditions. In fact, it's not hard to find examples who are both crazy and intelligent. The movie "A Beautiful Mind" about mathematician John Nash is a perfect example.
And rain man!
Genius is akin to madness
l had two doctors tell me l had the most rational mind they had ever dealt with... and l am ignorant AF!
@@Mouth-of-Spaghetti did you though?
@@porkyboy4226 Yes, one was in the early 90s, then another in about 2011.
The 2011 Dr told me that after going through a very long testing / screening process, lt took 2 days ( job related) The dr in the 90s was a military dr l had to talk to.
caller: *says a thing*
Jimmy: *Says the literal complete negation of that thing.*
Caller: “Right!”
Lmao that killed me 😂 5:30
That's not a bad idea. Logically, if a god had near omnipotent power it could change the rules whenever it wanted on an arbitrary whim, thereby compromising any sort of absolute knowledge. You could claim that a god wouldn't do that but how could you possibly know for sure that that god is even what it or its followers claim to be. Without a god, all we have presumably is the natural world. No mind, no agenda, no possibility to deceive. Without a god there is a greater chance that we may be able to stumble onto knowledge in the ways that we do. But with a god, there is no guarantee that what we a seeing/feeling/thinking is the same today as it was yesterday.
It's "Florida Man".
What did you expect, Lauren?
Hehehe:)
But he is also very intelligent 😂
"surely this comment is hyperbolic! I'll still click the timestamp and see what OP is hyperbolizing" 😂 ww
I remember "knowing" god because i experienced him directly too. These people think their inner monologue is God and its kind of hilarious.
Sad thing is I believed that too
Did you differ on much with God when you believed?
Reminds me of Westworld lol
I just keep wishing I'd randomly trip out and see something for no reason.
What a puny, pityful god they must worship... a god bound by 100% of the limits they themselves are held back by... how's that reverence material?
18:18 "Not to waste too much time" said the man who spent 20 minutes saying nothing. Man proceeds to waste 20 more.
He's a dishonest presup caller who calls under many different fake names lol his only intention was to waste their time.
"In order to waste just the right amount of time..."
What makes it even worse, is that he was specifically asked for this information, therefore it is probably the least wasteful thing he could talk about.
Same kind of guy who says, “I’ll be real quick then” and will talk for 10 minutes straight, if you don’t interrupt them to make them get to a point.
They call it apologetics because it’s the sorriest field of philosophy, and presuppositionalism is the sorriest form of apologetics.
Presup is "got there early to be at the the front of the line" level of sad apologetics.
Or maybe, rather, arrives whenever. And tells the folks already there "no, the line now starts here, with me."
I don't even consider it philosophy. Sure, they use a lot of the jargon, but they aren't doing philosophy. They're doing sophistry.
Presuppositionalism is the last gasp of broken people who have a pathological need to bully others to make themselves feel better.
Presuppers are the philosophical equivalent of flat earthers
They are just philosophical trolls. The only winning move it not to let them waste your time.
@@capthavicthen they win.
I saw a video of some guy named Destiny taking Darth Dawkins to task with his own tactics, and it was delightful.
Many of the same people
@@kennybachman35can’t win a game that no one agrees to play with you
"I'm very intelligent".
Said no intelligent person ever.
"I'm the most humble person I know," is another favorite of mine.
Yeah that's always a big giveaway, like when someone says their iq is 180 to 200 or something lol.
@@CosmicPhilosopher My father used to drink out of a mug that said "Lord, it's hatred to be humble when you're perfect in every way"....
@@IRGeamer that's part of a song. It was on the radio...80's?
I can't wait to look in the mirror.
I get better lookin each day...
Some folks say that I'm egotistical.
Hell I don't even know what that means.
I guess it may have something to do with the way
that I fill out my skintight blue jeans.
To know me
Is to love me.
I must be one HELLLLL
Of a MANNN...
Something
Something
But I'm doin the best
That I can.
"I hallucinated God then I got test where I had to draw a clock therefore God is real."
Why I love Jimmy - that ending. "Do you know what's really insulting? Being hung up on mid-sentence." Then that smile as he let the guy start to talk on.
Was it an a-hole move? Sure, but it's also the only justified response to someone who you gave 40 minutes of your time and an audience with the assumption that he was an honest interlocutor when he demonstrably wasn't.
The depths of dishonesty and flat-out lying that comes from the "morally superior" theist callers is always, somehow, both astounding and totally expected.
I have no idea why they allow presups 1 min of time
The irony of this caller being called Abel, when he wasn't........😉
Where his brother 😥
And, Jimmy murdalized him.
I love presups. It's literally impossible to argue with them. If they're gonna just presuppose their god is needed to truly "know" anything, then I'll just presuppose you don't need god to "know" anything.
Literally called him out "Special pleading", you can't have knowledge, but I can because, um. god is knowledge. so there. :P
@AnonYmous-yj9ibYeah, it's literally starting with the conclusion, assuming it's true and then walking backwards to justify it. And even when all the justifications crumble (because they're shit), the conclusion still stands because you started out by presupposing that it's true.
It's literally "I win because I win".
All religious apologetics are kindergarten level.😜
@@FourDeuce01I tend to believe apologetics is wrong, but wonder if ppl actually think that C S Lewis, for example gives kindergarten level reasoning. Brilliant ppl can be wrong, but still wish we could see a video of Valkai or someone making Lewis reconsider his beliefs. He claimed that he converted from atheism reluctantly, but was intellectually forced to do so. Ppl like Lewis, Muggeridge (God’s Gargoyle), William Buckley, et al, think a priori arguments can prove god. Muggeridge was a recurrent quest on Firing Line. He and Buckley agreed that a monk or someone like that proved god in the Middle Ages. B asked M about doubt and M said it was an essential part of belief. I thot yeah, as long as u end up believing. M said that non believers lack the vocabulary to understand theological arguments. M seemed like a nice old man until u listen long enuf. He told the Monty python guys to their face that the humor in Life of Brian was childish. U could see Cleese getting more annoyed as the debate went on. Don’t blame him. M seemed to lack humor. At least the fat bishop who was on his side had a sense of humor.
Go one further "I presuppose that you don't really believe in god your just doing it to grift money out of innocent people and since presuppositions are correct you better start apologising to the people you've stole from"
You guys did great.
This call was infuriating for me because Abel argues exactly the same way my dad argues. He argues semantics, he tries to bully up with his point, he puts words in your mouth, then he tries changing the subject just to get you to agree with him on something so he can call it a win.
"God exists because without God you couldn't know anything." That's like saying "Prometheus existed because without Prometheus we wouldn't have fire." I doubt Abel knows who Prometheus is, tho.
At least Prometheus is worthy of adoration. He sacrificed himself, literally sacrificed that is, not took a mildly uncomfortable long weekend, to give Humanity fire and the ability to stand upright before the gods.
It makes sense if your definition of God is "whatever it is without which we could not know things". But then calling that "God" would be very confusing.
Odin must've driven the frost giants away because there are no frost giants, and they sure didn't drive themselves away.
@@marcusreading3783 A mildly uncomfortable long weekend? Jesus must have been British, then! 😂😂😂
"well. it iz a metheus, but pro"
- Abel
Being certain you can't be wrong about anything is the absolutely best way of being completely wrong about everything
Out of 7.5 billion people God chooses to talk to him.... Cos he's super intelligent.... Somebody needs a big mummy hug and be told that they are loved!
And he's so super duper smart, yet constantly saying "I... I don't think I understand" and "I'm confused" while Jimmy is laying it all out.
Jesus loves everyone... 🙄
Actually just over 8 billion now, just fyi 😁
He knows the best words.
@@LexSteele-bo5qizeus loves your attractive female loved ones.🙄
If someone says they can’t be wrong about everything they know, then that person is ignorant of reality.
Even though your statement is a strawman more than basically because everyone knows that 1 + 1 = 2
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail
Not in the math system where only 1 and 0 exist. Then 1+1=0. That's binary math and makes the object you typed on work.
TLDR: Caller is dishonest interlocutor
A dishonest theist? I’m shocked…shocked I say!🙄🤦🏼♂️
He's also a repeat caller calling in with a fake name
All presups are
a dishonest christian?
I'm shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!
saved me 40 minutes
I love the idea that a presup could brighten anybody’s day 😂
I presuppose your day's been brightened and will take no claim running counter to me thinking this worked since I'll perceive it as denial.
No need to thank me, you're welcome lol.
It's so funny watching Forrest when he just checks out of the caller's idiocy. He starts acting like a bored 5 year old just bouncing in place and absentmindedly glancing around his room. 🤣
He seems to be thinking “I’m not going to bother having an intellectual conversation with this unarmed person.”😂
@@donnykees5848 everytime he just looks off towards the side or ceiling, i just start inserting mental dialogue for him "Did I leave the stove on? Did I remember to get that last bag of groceries out of the car before starting the stream? I think that was the one with the yogurt in it. Damn, should I text my partner to check? Do I remember unloading yogurt? Why do we call it yogurt anyway? That's a really weird sounding word when you think about it. Yogurt.....yooooogurt. Gurt....hehe, words are funny. Oh! Huh?" *glances back at the feed for a second* "Oh....eh, this chucklefuck is still babbling about noah's ark and having faith in faith to find truth in faith, and it's just a theory bullshit....so what was I thinking about? Right! Yogurt! Almost sounds like you are saying hello to a gastrointestinal disorder. Yo Gurt! How you doing?! Heh. Hmm, what other words could I come up with that are me saying hello to biological disorders. Suppression! Sup 'pression! Still feeling down and low?! Heh. I'm clever. I came up with the closet goblin that eats subway sandwiches. Huh..that's another weird word. Sandwich. Sand Witch. Are there any desert cultures that have an equivalent to a witch from European mythology? Is that how the earl's family got their name? Is that a water stain on my ceiling? Nope, just a spider. Hmm, ok maybe I should pay attention again and rap up this call"
*total elapsed time, 45 seconds*
🤣
And yet he’s still engaged and lets loose with logic and knowledge, demonstrating he’s been paying attention the whole time.
@@thomasgallipoli8376 yeah but it still amuses me, i start mentally narrating his internal monologue when that happens.
One of my favourite lines from Yes Prime Minister is another syllogism, "All cats have four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore, my dog is a cat."
Love that show! 💓
Do these people ever wonder why God doesn't ever provide them with useful information or do anything God like when they meet him?
Hey, God helps them find their car keys, that is very useful!
I heard Dillahunty say once something like "can you name one new piece of information you didn't know that you learned from all these conversations w God?
@@bobvanderwest9358 don't forget all those touchdowns!! 🙌
@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC God being like "aww shucks, look at all those poor starving children I created... TIME FOR SPORTS BALL!"
I've thought that too. Why don't the people who think they have a personal relationship with God ask him how he poofed the universe into existence? Scientists are trying to work out how it happend and there's people who could just ask him and get a response, aren't there?
22:05 That Trump reference by Jimmy was hilarious. 😂
I noticed that too. 😂
Can Abel prove God? He wants to believe; so he should believe. What he hasn’t done is give a reason why anyone else should believe.
No, he was not abel (pun intended) to prove it :)
He has seen and spoke to God. 😮
@@brotherben4357
So he believes. But that's not very interesting. Is his belief also true and justified?
@@starfishsystems Oh dear brother. I’ll pray for you to find the right path. God doesn’t need justification. He is the only truth we need.
@@brotherben4357i am god, and he’s lying.
'I've phoned in to explain why your beliefs are wrong; please tell me what they are.'
I hate "conversations" like this. Ask for evidence and how it was, or can be verified. If there is no evidence or ability to very the claim...the end.
These conversations HAVE to happen, to try and pull America away from the damaging religiousity that infects it. And since religious belief is force fed to many Americans from birth, they refuse to listen to common sense, cause it has the potential to destroy their world.
Great work Jimmy. That was an almost perfect call. You walked that caller through the whole mental process of taking your side and accepting your position. Your opening statement set the hook. Nailing him down on validity vs soundness was masterful. Keep it up.
Oh man, I laughed hard at the ending - Jimmy implied he was going to cut him off mid-sentence, then started letting him talk… then a grin and a fade-out to the outro 😂😂😂😂
Well done Jimmy. 👍🏼
Yet another "I'm a disingenuous halfwit, therefore god exists" argument.
But I'm super intelligent 😂
one of the hardest calls to watch that i've seen so far. It still amazes me that there are millions of people like this in the US and I feel surrounded by them unfortunately.
Presuppositionalist sophistry. This guy just desperately wanted to run through his boring script.
That one script is all they have, and it's not about convincing non believers, it's the nigerian prince, this is only going to hook in gullible people.
I especially love how he jumped on "senses and reason" when that wasn't at all what Jimmy said. Because that's what's in his script.
@@AbsurdlyGeeky Quite so. There are usually a lot of "tells" when it comes to these script-following pre-sup trolls.
I once somehow hallucinated an entire conversation with my grandad when I was on a long-distance drive. When I asked my grandad about the topic we discussed during the hallucination, he said "We never talked about that".
It was such a weird experience, especially since my grandad had passed away years before that happened.
Wait...
Nice. Must have been a boring drive otherwise eh
@@bibsp3556 Oh yeah he kept me sane.
@@justaguy6216 you just popped in your grandad-hallucination-pod ft. Drake.
@@bibsp3556 Killer playlist. Hours of entertainment.
This caller is lying, or suffering from a delusion, when he claims that he has physical, sensory interactions with a god. In either case, his claim cannot be rationally justified and must be rejected. Yet he also claims that his supposed sensory interactions and the conclusions he reaches from them cannot be anything except true. This is the ultimate self-deception.
I go with he's delusion, rather it was a hallucination or a misunderstanding or just that weird thing your mind does to distort memories after the fact I can't say. Doesn't fully matter but Christians tend to latch onto faulty logic and big retellings of events that make the memories more and more extreme each time you remember it and Christian churches often use methods known to miniplate emotional experiences. the liars tend to make more sense and avoid the traps he fell into.
@@richardsuplee8137
Delusion seems more consistent with the symptoms than simple hallucination.
A reasonable person can consider the possibility, at least in the abstract, that a given experience might be a result of hallucination. That person would look for corroborating evidence from different sources and apportion their confidence accordingly.
A delusional person will resist doing any of that reasonable, objective sanity checking, and just go with "I feel a strong sense of conviction, so I must be right."
What's interesting is that, in principle, a delusional person may be correct. They may, in fact, have seen the Loch Ness Monster or whatever. (This is the "true" part of justified true belief.) But if they insist, without the "justified" part, that they're right, then they are merely delusional. Guessing right isn't good enough.
@@richardsuplee8137it’s not even that complicated. They literally think the voice in their head is god. These are people who don’t believe death is real. That is a profoundly dangerous concept.
Yep. No way a person could distinguish between a hallucination and real interaction with anything. Any idiot could have a vision they don't understand and think it's god
@@johns1625 not neccessarily correct. You can distinguish both...but. There is this big but. You have to know why it has to be an illusion. Otherwise your brain will just accept it as real.
Happened to me once. It was pitch black. I saw a golden goldfish in the water with one eye. I saw a yellow leave in the water with my other eye.
I realized both were a halluzination, because I knew there wasn't enough light to see any other colour than grey.
That's how I found out some a'shole had spiced my drink.
It was a really bad night...lets leave it at that 😏
When someone says they can't be wrong there is no point in talking to them.
I don't know how you guys deal with people like this. These idiots come up with an argument of some kind that supports their view and refuse to listen to any opposing viewpoint.
He didn’t come up with it.
@@brotherben4357 Perhaps I should have said acquire.
Patience and the hope that they can teach Abel something
All without answering a single question asked. All Abel did was ramble nonsense that had nothing to do with what was asked or flat out dodging by trying to change the subject or ask a question of them in return.
I suspect patience because they pity the people they talk to, and I suspect they get paid at least somewhat for this show but what do I know?
"I physically met god, the creator of the Universe and talked to him - but let´s not waste time on that!" Hillarious.
Like the "African shaman healed my wife's n-stage cancer. But lemme tell ya about my impossible yoga session!" guy.
@@brucebaker810 I also remember that guy. I have a hard time to believe, that such people didn´t just make their seemingly supernatural experiences up or if something similar happened, but they already know pretty well, that nothing about what actually happened was special or supernatural at all.
If I experience something very special and I am convinced, that I withessed something really remarkable that is the most important thing I could say about the topic, I wont just ask to ignore it in a discussion.
"Hey, crime is getting so bad around here. I heard that someone did not pay for a beer in the pub last week and I heard that a friend thought, that somebody might be violent, because the guy stared at him. I also witnessed a bank robbery yesterday, but lets not talk about that. Last year I did not lock my car and I think, somebody might have stolen the coin, which I left on the passengers seat - bad, bad crime." - Not the narrative you would expect from somebody, who really witnessed a bank robbery (or at least honestly thinks so), I would say.
@@martinhuhn7813 Also weird attribution. Had condition x. Doctors examined and diagnosed. Got medicine, surgery, physio. X-rays said it came back. New meds. More surgery. Now healed/controlled.
"Praise Jesus!" Uh...whut?
Cuz you also prayed? Cuz the docs are people and god invented people? Cuz it exists and, we are assured, has a plan it likes?
Jimny has a knack for comedy When the caller exclaimed," There you go!" Jimmy's response was the perfect mix of incredulity & timing. I loled for real.
I am stealing the phrase "doing surgery on a grape"
That smirk at the camera before hanging up was golden XD
Religion was such a cash cow
Rest assured Abel is not a brain in a vat. He may possibly be a vat, but definitely not a vat with a brain in it ;-)
"I guess I'm just a little bit confused..."
Such a blatantly dishonest technique. Intentionally trying to sidestep a question.
Abel doesn’t understand logic
or reality
He's just unAbel to understand.
@@scottiepfreelylmao shut up 😂
Jimmy is a little behind as well
Or much else it seems
He came into the call with the assumption that he was intellectually superior. When backed into a corner, he just appealed to special pleading.
And yet another caller whose only argument for god is:
I believe therefore you must believe
43:09 LOL the look on Jimmy's face
The actual answer to every apologist is that there are no good theistic arguments and. there never have been.
and never will be because....
Religious arguments are failing to stop the mass exodus of people leaving churches and Religion in the United States.
More and more people are no longer buying it, and are discovering they can and are living moral and spiritual lives without Religion and the god belief(s)
Churches know this fact very well and I suspect Religion take more extreme desperate steps to remain relevant before it finally dies.
Yep
According to you though.
@@deshon3523 Yes. If you'd like to offer actual good theistic arguments, I would love to hear them.
@@deshon3523 no, according to reality, as demonstrated by the fact there are no good theistic arguments, and any honest person would realize that
This is a fascinating topic. I had visions/hallucinations as a believer that I "knew" were real and sent from God. Then, as a de-converted person and atheist, I discovered a way to induce hallucinations without drugs being involved that were MORE real than the 'Believer Visions". The way I did it was to sequester in total darkness for a week. It's called a Dark Retreat. I have dome this five times. Visions can happen. No God needed.
I've been on about 15 meditation retreats in my life. About a week in, it's more common that very real-seeming hallucinations start than not. Zen folks call it "makyo," which means something like, "experiences that fascinate the mind but are irrelevant to the task."
Do you think that the hallucinations formed because your brain was bored ?
@@juliamacauley7062 It's during the first day or so when there is a response to the sudden lack of stimuli that brings on incessant memory recall. It's like the brain is trying to compensate. After at least three days in the dark, the pineal gland produces a hallucinogen that brings on the visions, which intensify. I am planning on "going dark" for two weeks sometime soon.
Must be nice to have the time and the health to do that.
Presuppers are pretty cocksure when it comes to pointing out how their world view is immune from the very scrutiny they place on others. Of course it's easy to put so much confidence in something born in your imagination as long as you are not called to actually put your money where your mouth is. I'd like to ask Abel, as a passenger on a plane if he would prefer someone flying it had accredited training and testing or another that said they didn't need any of that because of receiving certification through special revelation.
There are too many examples of people literally letting Jesus take the wheel while driving for that to be a safe question ;-)
What do you think would happen if someone set this up with a real plane and real passengers and then told them that if they were not comfortable for the prayer guy flying the plane they could get off.
How many do you think would remain?
My money is on zero.
Even if the plane was full of the most devout Christians it would still be zero.
@@sulas548 We could hope there would be at least a few. 😅
He's called 'Abel'. He was always going to be brain-washed by his parents.
The funniest thing about this is that he’s convinced that he is highly intelligent. 😂
Dunning-Kruger
Yeah that have me a good laugh.
People who are intelligent don’t need to tell people they’re intelligent. They can show their intelligence.😜
Considering how many unintelligent people exist, compared to them he could be highly intelligent. Unlike a lot of callers, he hasn’t used derogatory language or insults or become angry when the conversation didn’t go the way he planned. That is evidence of intelligence.
@@jpbaley2016
He thinks passing a test for a cognitive disorder means he is highly intelligent.
Just like trump constantly bragging about passing a dementia test.
Imagine going off on this many tangents and attempting to redefine countless commonly used terms/words, all in an attempt skirt the fact you have utterly insufficient evidence for your claim.
I talked to god.
OMG. That's insane. Tell me all!
I don't want to waste time providing evidence.
Talking to God is fine, when he talks back, we run into issues lol.
Seems to me that the only time that reality is in doubt is when someone wants to slip a god past the burden of proof
The real mystery is how tf Forest has never had a bad day in his life. I care more about that than about God.
Ever since I got Forrest's mug, I also never had a bad day.
@@MarceldeJong bro thank you for the secret
Lol 😂🤣😂
The moment someone argues how reliable our senses are they're no longer a serious person. It's ignorance on a playground level.
The emperor wears no clothes because we're social animals who will bow to authority even when our own senses do not agree. It's how gaslighting works.
I learn a ton from you guys, and this exchange keeps on giving, so I'll likely continue coming back to it. Thanks for doing the work, gents.
"hmm I understand" no you don't because you cannot grasp a lack in belief in a god
the title couldn't be more succinct. Was gnashing my teeth by the halfway point.
*Abel* : _"I_ on the other hand, _do_ have a justification for the validity of my senses, because its based on this absolute chocolate chip cookie! This chocolate chip cookie solves the problem of hard solipsism!!"
_Did you use your own senses to determine the validity of that chocolate chip cookie?_
*Abel* : ........... 👀💨💩
I’m actually very intelligent, “I have the best words” 😂😂😂
StAbel genius.
Love Jimmy’s humor and Forest’s smile while listening to the callers idiocy.
The moment he said he couldn't be wrong, the conversation was over
Jimmy is starting to go grey in his beard from the presidential levels of stress The Line callers give him
I'm 30 minutes in and I'm waiting to see if Abel told his story of meeting a god. I'd love to hear that.
This is one of those calls where you're just flabergasted it went on as long as it did. Once he ginally said "We have to be logical", I was done.
I hate too that I have known people like this. They do not care and are arguing just for the sake of arguing because they do not want to admit when they are wrong. And in the rarity that they admit they are wrong, they will continue to argue, because you can't be right; if they're wring, then you have to be wrong too.
Things that always need to be defined when speaking with a presuppositionalist:
Truth
Worldview
Knowledge
Foundation
Logic.
You can’t presume to understand what they’re referring to half of the time, because they use private definitions and bank on being able to equivocate terms.
Why do people do these mental gymnastics to remain unable to question the things they were told to believe.
So, he's saying that the only way to believe in God is by doubting the existence of the Universe.
They all kinda say that in a round about way though right?
" Dont believe what you can see or prove, just believe in how we say things are"
When Forrest asks him how he knows god is real, he immediately tries to talk to Forrest about what he thinks.
I recognize this guy's voice. "That's where your faith comes in".
I think he has called in before.
"I believe because silly reasons. You should too!" Uh no, sir. I will not.
No it's more, you know all those reasons you have for not being able to be 100% sure about anything, I'd like to ignore them for me and conclude that a magic guy actually exists but still hold you to those uncertainties that won't allow you to confirm a jacket is blue
He got himself checked?
Where?
His church?
"I understand" No I don't think you do.
I like that: "highest level of confidence in the truth of a proposition".
* "knowledge =" ?
"I'm not crazy; I'm actually very intelligent." -- Abel
"I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested." -- Sheldon Cooper
Hey, Abel. When I was a child, my senses proved that Santa Claus was real. Is Santa Claus real?
22:08 "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
Hahahahaha that hang-up was amazing. Chefs kiss to this whole convo, handled as close to perfection as anyone could ask of a brain in a vat. Only thing I wish I got was more in-depth detail on caller’s interactions with “god”. I need to know if god covers his junk or makes people struggle to make eye contact
5:29 Couldnt stand any more of this BS. Strawman-after-lie-after-inaccuracy-after-nonsense-after-BS. Hard to debate with a dishonest fool.
And by the end of the call the jackass is crying that he's being "strawmaned".
It's pigeon chess, a la Gary Milne.
"You can't believe your senses! You should believe mine."
Great combination . Just worried about jimmy’s blood 🩸 pressure .
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jimmy's grin at the end while he was hanging up on that jackass... gold!
Hey did anybody check on Darth lately? This was like a weird, fake-friendly, "simple country lawyer" version of Darth. Do we know if he or Sye or Slicky have a new pawn?
They have a plethora of disciples, each more pitiful than the last.
I think she got in trouble for some stuff 😲
Did Abel ever explain why we need to appeal to metaphysics as a basis for knowledge?
Why on earth does this not have a date for the show this is from in the description anywhere? I know I saw this call before but I'd really like to know when.
Yeah, I've seen it before too and I'm sure I didn't see it live and I always always leave a comment and there wasn't one. Weird.
Why do I punish myself by listening to theists like this one? Now I need to clean the room from all the hair I pulled out in frustration.
You can tell in his voice that hes lieing when he said he spoke to god. He doesnt even know how to describe it
Please consider adding a link in the description to the whole show that this call is excerpted from. When I stumble on these I often want to find the whole thing to watch.
"I hallucinated the real God." "I really hallucinated God." "The God of my hallucination was proper hallucination of the actual God that all Religions of the World allude to Atheism Denies as really existing." "My hallucination is better than yours is."
Abel wants to take a huge shortcut in claiming that we know what is and is not possible without investigation and confirmation.
"Could you be wrong about everything (you say) you know?"
"No."
"Ah, but could you be wrong about that?"
"No."
Every morning and every night I thank causality for the cogito.