Caller Claims Conspiracy Among Scientists to HIDE Evidence for God | Matt Dillahunty and Jimmy Snow
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Anthony calls into the show to argue that atheism breaks down and that God becomes logically necessary in certain areas. However, he quickly finds himself struggling to make a coherent case as the hosts, Matt Dillahunty and Jimmy Snow, challenge his assertions and point out flaws in his reasoning. The conversation becomes increasingly contentious, with key moments including Anthony's claim that atheism implies everything can be explained without God, his assertion that the universe could be different despite admitting he doesn't know if that's possible, and his rejection of the Big Bang theory. As the call progresses, Anthony suggests that scientists haven't thought through the philosophical implications of their discoveries and even implies a conspiracy to hide evidence for God, further frustrating the hosts. In the end, the hosts invite Anthony to call back and present his arguments to a physicist and evolutionary biologist in a future episode.
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“God needs to exist otherwise I’ve wasted most of my life believing in a lie”
There, summed up his whole argument.
Scary😂
They indeed are wasting all that time and money . Imagine the amount of time a human spends its life praying, hoping and shelling out money in the name of these gods . All those resources , time being the most essential , could be used in much more productive ways ... Simply spending time with your family is much better than spending time praying .
I think most theists are in this camp to some extent.
It's just too difficult for them to come to grips with wasting decades of their life on something like religion.
this!!
death is powerful..makes you believe in silly things
If a god wanted to be discovered by literally anyone how would science ever possibly be able to prevent that?
Something something the devil.
@KC - because an omnipotent god is so weak that a handful of humans can easily overpower them. /s
I've ask that before and they got mad. I think that's a valid question.
Like, etch "I was here" on everything.
Pretty weak ass God who can't reveal himself unless Anthony helps him.
Whenever he pauses, you can almost hear his brain furiously trying to choreograph his mental gymnastics routines.
Yep. Dusting his hands getting ready for the uneven bars; hoping he has a better dismount than his last routine.
A half pike-back Sukahara with a twist and reverse landing for his god arguments
As anyone would who has had held a position most of their life
@@petyrkowalski9887s
I thought it was funny when Jimmy asked him to repeat what he had asked him, and he couldn't. He was just waiting for his turn to talk, wasn't listening.
What he and they fail to realize is, if science actually proved God they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The person who proved God would be the most famous person in the history of the world, and would be very very rich. So the BS about science keeping it a secret is totally insane.
its not just that, this is the mentality which made the spanish inquisition way worse than it would have been if it were just about differing religious viewpoints. Both the catholics and protestants targeted intellectuals of the day, destroying Galileo's life for daring to say that Earth revolved around the sun for fucks sake. This same mentality is what drives creationist ideology, anti-vaccine hysteria, and so much more. Its made all the more worse when we see that the revered Martin Luther pretty much came up witht he whole jewish cabal conspiracy theory which was later revisited by Russian oligarchs when they made up the protocols of the elder of zion, which inevitably was the playbook for which fascists and nazis based their entire worldviews around.
This person would also be a HERO to every religious person on the planet...
Not a chance. If science proved God, they would not shout it from the rooftops. Atheistic scientists might be very excited initially, but then they would think of all the atheist friends they would lose and how they would have to not only change their entire worldview, but also their lifestyle, to be more in accordance with God. And so their initial excitement now turns into a "no thanks."
That is the easy part for them, convincing us that their particular god is worthy of worship, therein lies the impossible part.
@@aaronstypes4083,
If scientists demonstrate that god, doesn't mean anything else needs to happen. What a load of BS.
God, right before Anthony was born: “Send in Anthony as thy whistleblower against the wickedness of Science that hath hidden me from revealing myself!”
😅
Hahaha 🤣🤣
and if God existed and did that he failed like he failed with the chariots while he was with Judah in Judges. 🤣🤣
@@kacklerot Isn't that the whole iron chariots passage where iron is god's kryptonite?
@@Kawamura2 On the surface it may seem that way. But it's about Judah doubting God and losing faith in God because of the iron chariots which was new tech in war at the time so the iron chariots were intimidating to Judah and his men. This is according to believers and scholars.
Theists: God exists outside of time and space.
Also theists: Science is hiding God!
It’s always nice when theists like your hypothetical admit that God exists nowhere for zero seconds.
@@Leith_Crowther I chuckle every time.
Jee a contradictory statement.. wonder where they got those from. Perhaps the buybull.
It always gets me when someone says God exists outside of time and space, because the idea of outside of time and space makes no sense at all. Even in a multiverse, each universe would encompass time and space. But I guess they have to put god somewhere, since he's nowhere to be found in our actual universe.
As Aron Ra put it; if god exist outside of time and space, then, at no time nor in any space does god exist.
It’s always hilarious to hear people with no understanding of physics use physics as an argument.
It is as hilarious as it is sad and scary too.
He does have a tiny understanding of limited physics. It's called; "The Dunning Kruger Effect". A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
It's hilarious until idiots think stupid shit like "masks don't work".
They make conclusions about physics that no serious physicists dares to make, even if they are believers themselves because the evidence either don't point to that or is inconclusive. For example there is no consensus if the universe had a beginning, but to apologists like Graig, it a set fact that the universe had a beginning.
@@chrisgraham2904
He knows some words related to physics.
Christianity: "My god is all powerful. Also, you secular scientists can control my god and have conspired to hid him."
This! LOL. Every Atheist is more powerful than god because he can't make us believe in him.
Exactly…just idiocy on display
Oh a powerful god, isn't it???😆🥁😆
Time to get a new gig mental matt! Dean odle would destroy mental matt in 3 minutes! Hey matt who put the first humans on earth if God didn't, duh duh a stork dropped the first humans on earth! So mental matt who put the storks on earth?? Duh duh duh! Time to wake up atheists and use the brain God gave you!
God cannot be hidden, every day people see His handy work. Some people just fool themselves into thinking Earth wasn't created tho.
How is it rational to dismiss accepted scientific theory, when you have no understanding whatsoever of the subject ?
Pdf file atheists do that all the time, for example, when they claim that men can menstruate and give birth while nowhere in history has there been one single case of this being true
They believe that “rational” can be subjective and “logic” doesn’t have to comport to standards. Even tho they use standard scientific analysis to try and demonstrate their irrational claims. They want god to be the only truth. Even though they argue that truth can be just what is true to them. Any way that can obfuscate or dodge responsibility or work, they will use it. It’s rational to them, because they never needed to be held to a high standard in religious circles unlike science.
Because God.
It IS much easier to say "nuh-uh" to all scientific data if you start from the point of ignorance.
When ever someone who doesn't believe in evolution say, "If humans came from monkeys, why are there stil monkeys?!?!", I just end the conversation. They have not done any real research into the science and they don't really care too.
Jimmy, interrupting caller: "what question did i ask you?"
Caller, who was in the middle of answering: "i... don't remember..."
This is your brain on theism, kids. How can you answer a question if you don't even remember it 5 seconds later?
He wasn't really listening to any questions. He just wanted to assert his beliefs...badly
@@RoddHarding
Well that's the norm.
Don’t be too harsh. My brain works the same way.
@@abcd7613 I was gonna say the same thing. I sometimes forget what I was saying previously during a conversation.
@@abcd7613 haha me too. When he asked the caller the question I was already listening to the answer and forgetting the question.
There exists exactly ZERO theories in cosmology of everything coming from ABSOLUTELY LITERALLY NOTHING.
It's the theist's claim turned around against the opponent. Since they make the claim that god spoke the universe into existence from nothing.
They're just so dumb they don't even realize how dumb they are.
That's right. Atheist believe everything came from nothing! Mental matt the atheists foolish leader! Jesus saves sinners and fools like matt!
We have no real concept of 'nothing', because how could we. We'd have to have an understanding of a state that was a lack-of-state.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Yes, what is the thing that doesn't exist? What is an is not without an is?
They just don’t understand what Steven Hawking meant when he said “there was nothing around before the big Big Bang.” Then he goes on to say that space time has no boundary so it is impossible for there to be anything else other than space.
A 2nd grader misunderstanding of physics explains flying reindeer and free toys.
Does the caller believe in Santa?
According to *atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time.
And according to *islame:* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
Finally, at minute 18, we hear caller admit that he just can't abide the idea of a point where physics breaks down. Somethin' must'a did it, by gum.
A 2nd grader only believes in flying reindeer and free toys because he was told to believe that...kind of destroys your argument. They don't have any idea of physics lol
@@disturbed157 it wasn't an argument, it was sarcasm. In my experience 2nd grade children have no real concept of physics. Sure there's the rare prodigy but most kids that age can't explain why the apple hit the ground after it separated from the tree. I'm fairly certain that Sir Issac Newton was at least in high school.
Yall convinced me that it is silly to believe in god. Now can you convince me why it is silly for me to not be a serial killer? Any evidence or proof will be helpful
I think I've heard hundreds of these theists, and I've never heard a single one of them who wasn't just repeating exactly the same arguments and assertions made by a handful of popular apologists. NEVER anything original. NEVER anything new. And they always rattle them off, one after another, with no awareness that they are hoary old cliches. They always seem to think that they are going to stun everyone with the blazing originality of their points. And they ALWAYS pretend that they thought them up all by their little ole selves.
I don't expect any theists will reply to this but I'll answer for them. All right here goes... Ahem:
No u
I couldn't come up for anything intelligent either trying to prove an invisible being that made everything and cares if we masturbate.
It's the pattern of behavior for which the description P.r.a.t.t. was coined: Points refuted a thousand (or trillion?) times ;)
Isn't it something like looking for the honest man among the rich or the needle in the haystack are some parable in the Bible because I don't think we're ever going to find one. But I'm going to keep listening in the hopes that I find one of them that finally convinces me that there's a God.😂
@@Mehki227 I've known many people with some kind of religious faith who use it as a framework for living an honourable life. However, such people are not likely to phone up talk shows or attempt to convert you. Sometimes this kind of faith is specifically Christian, or Hindu or Buddhist or whatever, but more often just the idea that there is some vague creator being, or that they will somehow exist after death. Usually nice people hold these beliefs. I understand their motives and their reasoning, but don't share them, having always been thoroughly secular. Others are "cultural" believers who do not invest much in some beliefs they grew up with but see no urgent reason to worry about or to "deconstruct" them. I'm glad that I live in Canada, where these attitudes are by far the most common ones in our culture ---- the kind of loud and aggressive religion you find in the U.S. is quite rare in our country. Bigotry exists in some corners, but gains little social approval. The largest Protestant denomination, historically, is the United Church of Canada, which has been LGBT+ positive since back in the 1970s, and concerns itself largely with social justice, charities, and bake sales. The other Protestant churches are mostly the old "mainstream" ones. Catholicism is technically the largest religion in Canada but has long been overwhelmingly nominal, with few people setting foot in a church except for weddings and Christmas Mass. The "none" category is the same as you would find in Scandinavia. People are much more concerned with Hockey than with religion. Marriage equality was enacted back in 2008 with little opposition. Most Canadians consider the mixing of religion into politics to offend their sensibilities, and religion is never mentioned by politicians. Canadians have always considered religious beliefs to be a matter of private individual conscience, of nobody's concern but their own, and that it is rude to preach to others. In recent years, there has been some growth in the evangelical and fundamentalist churches, but they have never been more than two percent of the population. I find myself fascinated by all this atheist/apologist stuff on UA-cam because it seems alien and bizarre to me. The political aspect in the U.S. is just downright terrifying.
"speculate" because I can't bring myself to say "I don't know".
did he call that day to erica and that guy
if you know
Yes, *according to atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time.
And *according to islame,* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
I can't have both?
@@kellywalker1664 not in science class but go ahead.
It always amazes me that people don’t see the arrogance in asserting an answer when they just don’t know. The belief that the universe owes you an answer - what could be more egotistical? And here I thought Christians were supposed to be humble. Huh.
Religious indoctrination kills critical thinking and poisons the brain.
It doesnt owe me an answer. But i sure feel like it does 😉
@@ngcastronerd4791 me feelings feel good sometimes 🙂
It’s also similarly arrogant for people to pray to god and ask for special treatment. If god has a plan and you’re asking to deviate from said plan, that is pretty arrogant.
@@terranhealer good point.
Can people just simply realise that the statement " I don't know " is a statement of extraordinary wisdom !
Indeed. The path to wisdom begins the moment you utter the phrase “I don’t know.”
"My understanding of cosmology is based on what I remember somone telling me when I was 8."
Cool bro. You do you.
I'm glad that Anthony has essentially argued for pixies, sprites, imps, gnomes, fairies and similar creatures.
...if we asked people whats the chance of these individual creature existing i would hope and expect only a tiny below 1% would say they existed but i think a god is in the same ballpark as those other mythological creatures...yet amazingly with zero evidence 84% of the worlds population in 2014 believed in a god.....really hope that figure is much lower today
@@Pmrace1960 60% of the American population claim to believe in angels. Never under estimate stupid.
@@Pmrace1960 there aren't any supposed consequences for not believing in those things, whereas gods tend to have some weight to throw around.
@@kellywalker1664 carrots and sticks
I don't know everything and some things seem incredible to me. Doesn't that mean that god exists?
No. No it doesn't.
I'm still fascinated by the "magic" of how phones work.
@@temporarilyimmortal795 they were designed by a DESIGNOR phone god.
Theists jump over "How" and "Why" straight to "Who". Some even take step further and say "My god."
I mean… it’s easier to think that a guy did a magic trick some 6000 years ago than to learn some physics.
The caller displays typical symptoms of cognitive bias. He says science only proves god. but when confronted with the information scientists are becoming more and more atheists, he puts a new layer of conspiratorial pseudo-explanation instead of accepting the most logical conclusion.
Scientists are not "vecoming more and more atheist"--as if that were even relevant😅
@@James-ll3jb I didn't make a typo like you suggested. Anyway, what I meant is that a vast majority of scientists in the US are atheists. The exact number varies, depending on the study, but for instance, 93% of members of the National Academy of Sciences are agnostic or atheist. I made the comment in the context of the conversation because it was referred during the call.
I’ve never heard anyone get so elegantly destroyed.
as they think God is working in them !! 🤗😜 😵
I love reading news articles that say "discovery shocks/surprises scientists" because that usually means we just learned something new about the universe.
Mental matt your foolish leader! Lmao. Time to wake up. Jesus saves sinners! Now use that brain God gave you atheist!
well, rarely actually. Most of the time it's something scientists expected to find, maybe even knew for decades and just got smaller error bars, but the media thinks it's a good headline. The few times it is sometjing really new it's often one study, that hasn't been confirmed yet, and there are plenty of possible explanations that fit in with already known science. It's very rare that media report a breakthrough and they actually got the science right, and it actually was a breakthrough. Really the only thing such titles give you is a heads up to see what scientists are actually saying about the research.
My favourite ones are like "giant astroid traveling near earth could hit us"
And when you read the article "near" is like 5x the distance between the earth and the moon, then there some quote from a scientist who basically like "nah we aren't worried about it hitting us because we have been tracking it's trajectory for ages now"
If your position can only be defended with lies, then your position is not worth defending. The truth is not defended with lies, but with the truth; only lies can be defended with more lies.
"Okay, so there's shit. And shit is a way. You still with me? Okay. Shit is the way that shit is, and shit is not a way other than the way that shit is. Shit could conceivably have been a way other than the way that shit is, and yet, shit is NOT a way other than the way that shit is; shit is, in fact, the way that shit is. The ONLY POSSIBLE WAY that this could be so is if there is a magical Shit-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-And-Not-a-Way-Other-Than-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-Maker."
- fucking genius
Masterfully put. And if shit were another way, a way we can conceive it might be, but can only speculate, that would be the way that shit is. Shit is always the way that shit is, and is never another way, because that is the way that shit is.
Holy shit!😂😂😂
@@ziploc2000 I have seen shit being in numerous different ways though. Some arguments are solid and some are runny, and so is shit.
In my head I hear that comment in Jon Cleese’s voice
@@mmedonis now you have me hear it too...I'm converted to Cleaseism...
Was it not Thomas Jefferson who said that a god is not very powerful if it needs the government to protect it.
What would circles look like if pi were different?
... that's what fine tuning arguments sound like.
Nice analogy. 💚
Thank you! I’ve been using that example for years.
There’s no reason to think these constants aren’t just necessary results of the way things fit together.
What would it mean for pi to be = 4?
What if e were a different number?
The questions don’t make sense.
1 Kings 7:23 sez it's 3. Why are creationists picketing biology class and giving geometry a pass?
I read a physicist Brian Greene book several years ago (I'm just a pop physicist/quantum etc person 😉) but he said if the physical laws of the universe weren't as they are nothing could develop, ie planets, stars, matter, whatever, it just couldn't happen. Stuff wouldn't work. 😊
@@cambranson Sure, but that doesn't answer if there actually could be other universes with different laws.
If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. But that doesn't mean there is a parallel universe in which my uncle is my aunt.
The fact that I can conceive of something doesn't make it possible, let alone real.
I don't understand science therefore I'll call up some non-scientist atheists so we can discuss science and that'll prove gawd.
"The big bang says everything came from nothing--"
"No it doesnt"
Flabberghasted, misinformed, caller spends the next 5 mins trying to cling to arguing against a point that nobody made
I'm almost as flabbergasted that he knew the big bang and evolution aren't the same thing. The number of times reality deniers say evolution claims everything exploded from nothing....
As an atheist, I accept that circumstances are such that life exists. End of story.
Anthony notes these circumstances and sees the vastness of space, considers the unquantifiable number of stars and planets and black holes and concludes that he is the reason for it all.
There's probably a word for that...
It seems often that when people say they feel something is true it indicates that they’re not thinking.
in all of my research in biology, i have not found anything relating to a god
Because "tHeY" keep it secret from you!
(VERY large /s)
98% of the royal academy of scientists are atheist
You're hiding the truth! 🙄 LOL
But you are hiding the truth with your evolutionary theory 😡🤬😠😤😪🙄😐🫤😑😶🫥
You quite obviously are one of "them"!
I have yet to see any apologists (or theists using apologetics talking points) that haven't strawmanned atheism to a severe degree.
Kakashi gang!
27:43 Specifically, what was discovered was that galaxies had formed into a complete state much, much earlier than anticipated, which broke a lot of the ideas about _galaxy formation_ and the time it took after the big bang for it to happen. Absolutely nothing about the big bang itself was changed, theories around the formation and timeline for the generation of galaxies were what changed.
Thor Vs Hulk debates are never a waste of time!
Most obtuse caller ever.
Shockingly, it wasn’t.
@@Leith_Crowther- what were his angle measurements? 😂
@@alisonjones8861He certainly wasn’t right.
His credulous ignorance was quite acute.
@@suburban-vampire 🤣🤣🤣anyone else?!?
Arguing Thor vs Hulk is never a waste of time, Matt!
Superman or Batman with prep squash both! 😜
@@Brockleheezy I think you're basing that on faith. Hah!
False. Thor loses. Arguing otherwise is a waste of time. Thor is a puny God. Checkmate theists.
Hulk SMASH. Obvsly.
@antinatalope it depends on whether you include the second Superman/Spider-Man Team Up (featuring Batman and the Hulk) as part of the holy canon.
Why do they see a singularity as nothing?
If it were nothing it wouldn’t be a singularity.
The singularity is everything.
Well a singularity is any hypothetical point mass with infinite density, but if you are talking about the cosmological model then "the singularity" would be everything ig
@@asagoldsmith3328
The singularity in question.
@@powbobs I see. Yeah I have had theists get really mad at me when I ask them to define nothing and ask further questions about it. They just want it to be a part of whatever premise of their crappy argument and not explore any more.
And if you talk about nothing, you must be speaking of something.
@@asagoldsmith3328
Because they have no intellectual curiosity.
Haven't seen the entire call yet but I know Anthony is in for a very rude awakening debating Matt AND Jimmy. Not a good day to be a theist calling into the line that's for sure lol.
I swear Anthony has called so many time that it doesn’t even feel like he has a life outside of this. He is an atheist in denial and throwing whatever shit against the wall in order to preserve his fantasy
Remember Andrew Wilson's debate with Matt?? 🤔😉
@@MultiBigAndy No. Never seen it. I know you're trying to be smug but smugness isn't exactly gonna help you in a debate cuz it's pretty obvious you're not actually listening or trying to understand
So scientists are more powerful than God.
I kinda agree with that actually lol.
Just not in the way the caller intends. Lol.
God, can do everything man can't do but nothing that man can do.
Matter CAN be destroyed, and CAN be created. It's energy that can't be destroyed or created. When matter is destroyed, it becomes energy.
Matter isn’t destroyed, it’s transformed into energy. Energy can be transformed into matter. Matter is just energy in a different state. Energy is just matter in another state.
Yeah because Gods less powerful than Scientist’s apparently 😂
God's (god is) less powerful than scientists (plural).
@@ziploc2000Schooling has failed the children. Children under 13 aren't even allowed on UA-cam, actually. This child is breaking ToS.
Anthony is another perfect embodiment in a long list of other examples that religion loves the misinformed.
Literally why do these people never think about the reverse. Who created the gods, where did they come from.
Its just asinine
He asks from atheist to explanation why lightspeed is the way that it, but apparently has he asked god the same?
If it was the only way, what is limiting that god to it.
I imagine a guy marching around the center of a town or city, holding a big sign that says "2 + 2!" when most normal people are like "4".
The titans?
They will just use the special pleading fallacy. Everything needs a cause except my special friend.
We must remember that the people who call-in are a self-selecting group so they likely share similar traits such as:
- They've never had their ideas directly challenged
- They severely misunderstand the opposing position
This leads to a overabundance of confidence in their position to the point that they're willing to challenge people who have been shooting down similar nonsense for decades.
What mechanism would generate a god from nothing? That question can only be solved or answered thru special pleading, bald assertion, or circular reasoning.
If there’s a god please make him call tomorrow 😂
He tried but the phone screener was more powerful and hung up on him.
I will keep saying this:
Time does not exist independent of space. Space-time is a single unit.
At all points in time, space and everything in it exists. The concept of "before the universe" is physically meaningless.
It is not the case that the universe didn't exist at one point in time and then did exist at a later point in time.
Whether the set of "points in time" is infinite in duration or not is irrelevant.
I once had somebody try to tell me that an eternal universe isn't possible because on an infinite timescale, the chances of me existing right now are infinitely small.
Of course, he lacked an understanding of basic probability because the chances of me existing right now are actually 100%... seeing as I DO exist right now! On an infinite timescale in the massive universe, my existence in it may be the most fleeting moment for the most infinitesimal speck in a vast ocean, but as the speck experiencing it the relative scale of it is unimportant to the fact of my actual existence.
Not only that, but he also tried to argue that Heaven and Hell were eternal. So I went on to point out that then Heaven and Hell suffer from the same issue he claimed the universe does. By his understanding of why the universe couldn't be eternal, he had effectively proven that Heaven and Hell couldn't even exist, and neither could the very concept of eternal souls. He didn't like that very much...
@@Jedi_Vigilante we are obligated to accept that we, and the reality we inhabit exist. Heaven and Hell are not only logical absurdities, there is not a scintilla if observational evidence supporting the claim that such places are even possible.
Anthony can be summarized thus: "I can't understand so many deep things, so logically, there must be a magic man. But let me just claim a bunch of stuff with no foundation and say it's logical."
I’d change that to “I can’t understand deep things which means nobody else can either. So my guess is as good as theirs”
Anthony says "I don't believe in the big bang, because everything can't come from nothing.
Also Anthony "I believe in God, because he spoke everything into existence from nothing." (Anthony didn't say it, but it is clearly what he believes.)
And who spoke God into existence? If something can't come from nothing then something had to create this God also, you can't just claim he's eternal since it goes against things coming from nothing.
To hide evidence, the evidence needs to exist. One cannot hide evidence, if you cannot find it. Where is this evidence that cannot be found?
They couldn't hide the fact that a sitting president was getting bj's in the oval office from an intern but they can hide a god? LOL
These clips on the off days for shows are getting better and better!
He didn't sound stupid, but he sure did talk stupid.
The Dunning Kruger Effect.
“I don’t believe something came from nothing” … erm… as mistaken as he is, he believes in an even more improbable position - he believes ONE (HIS) god came from nothing and made everything from nothing.
How do these people never ask this question? My father is Catholic and I distinctly remember asking him who created God when I was like 5 years old, it wasn't something that he could answer and I still have not heard any convincing argument for how any God can be created from thin air.
Anthony was trying to use the "crisis in cosmology" as an argument against the Big Bang. There is an inconsistency in the measured age of the universe, depending on the method used to estimate it. What he does not say is that the inconsistency is so small that only professional cosmologists have any need to address it. Anthony is trying to give a lecture on cosmology while not even having college-level knowledge of cosmology, but he is so arrogant that he wants to tell others that he is a world-class cosmologist.
I wonder... has anyone here ever encountered a person who accuses entire groups they have never met of conspiracies, but DIDN'T show _themselves_ to be massively dishonest while doing so? Because I sure haven't.
I work in a science field. I had to tell someone who was getting conspiratorial that most of us scientists are just out here trying to do our jobs. We’re not part of some secret group trying to dupe the public.
Sounds like something a part of some secret group trying to dupe the public would say.
The irrational idea that you can know Anything about something compared to someone that studied it day in and day out is insane. Ok ig i dont need college, ill just pretend i know exactly how physics works or that it doesnt exist. Im gonna reinvent the wheel or assume the wheel doesnt exist. Im gonna lecture a baker on how to bake cookies even tho ive never baked any.
Caller: The physical constants could be different.
Host: How could that be demonstrated?
If the constants didn't exist in such a way for a universe that could support life, then no one would be around to complain about the constants not being perfect to support life. Thus only in a universe where life exists could there be anyone to wonder why the constants aren't what they are.
"Seems to follow", "makes more sense to me", "I find it more probable".... listen for statements like those because it usual means someone wants to equivocate or hand wave from A to C and treat their intuition as authoritative without support
Where do they find all these people who seem intelligent but never understand they have lost?
I'm answering the important questions.
If you look at the source material, Thor and Hulk has fought 40 times. The Hulk has won three fights, Thor has won two. The rest were draws.
Which sources are you drawing from please
@@socialmediaisterrible Google search.
If I can't explain something it obviously was the result of a leprechauns burp. They are so cute!!! Tiny little burps. Later we will learn the gaps in our knowledge are the result of hiccups, not burps. Then comes the 17 year hicc-burp war.
Why does matter have to be "designed"? Who says? Why does a "designer" NEED to be there?
How else is the dipper of shits supposed to sneak god in?
Make me feel important 🥹
@@TeaMollie11 I LOVE YOU MOLLIE!!! YOU. WILL. BE. MINE! No tea though...
Too much? 😂
@@edvfya9922 Thanks 😀
“There comes a point where atheists have to assume the universe came from nothing”
This BOILS my blood. NO! I don’t believe that, YOU DO!!
If Anthony were to state: "I believe in the existence of dogs", I might challenge his claim and ask him to provide evidence for the existence of dogs. I am confident that Anthony probably could provide me with numerous examples of evidence, that are verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable for the existence of dogs.
When Anthony states: "I believe in the existence of God", I might challenge his claim and ask him to provide evidence for the existence of God. Unfortunately, Anthony, like every other theist that has ever lived, cannot provide numerous examples of evidence, that are verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable for the existence of a God.
Why does Anthony not view his God with the same scrutiny as he views dogs?
Anthony doesn't have even the slightest clue how much he misunderstands or just doesn't know about these science topics. And clearly he doesn't actually care. He's a motivated reasoner at best.
Fascinating call.
Frank started as a mildly-confused but pleasant christian and ended up as a rabid conspirationist.
What is that last word?
And who’s Frank? 🤪
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Nobody worth paying attention to.
@@powbobs I'm glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of language plasticity. You are welcome.
It never ceases to amaze me how callers, who appear to have some intelligence, can’t understand when each of their points is refuted by logic, and The caller is unable to grasp that fact and admit that they are wrong.
I'm amazed that anyone in the scientific community can get any real work done, what with all of the plots and conspiracies they're supposed to be involved with according to people like this caller.
On behalf of the state of Virginia, I apologize for this caller lol
There is also Virginia, the caller from Virginia, who is also something else.
My experience is people who question big bang don't know what the theory says. Usually, I ask them to describe what big bang is, as they understand it, and almost never get an answer. It seems they think it says that "something came out of nothing", but in reality it is about the expansion and has been proven beyond doubt.
Yes, that is generally what Christians believe. That is what I believed, too, when I was a Christian. And it is because that is what they tell you in the Christian community, and they vilified it to the point that even bringing it up in conversation is ridiculous.
A guy said to me that the Big Bang was the « random collision of rocks » 😂.
And I would had that they do the same thing with evolution and abiogenesis. They always mix these theories when they are not mutually exclusive !
@@aymerick_ If someone criticises a scientific theory, especially in ignorant way, ask them to describe or explain it to you as they understand it. Then you can correct the mistakes. Such question, however, tends to shut down conversations. They won't respond or get offended, their ego gets bruised and exposes even to themselves they don't know what they are talking about, etc. The conversation gets quickly super dumb, but it can be rewarding in a peculiar way. You can practice sharp responses as well ;)
They get their definition of the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution from their preachers and don't have a clue what they really are.
“Correct me if I’m wrong.” Clearly. Absolutely. Demonstrably. You are wrong
"If you modify the constants, the universe would be different"
And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike
What if pi was different? Totally ridiculous.
Then is wasn't a circle to begin with.
So beyond bored of armchair scientists who acknowledge their understanding of science is equal to that of a brick, then spend an hour arguing against firm scientific theories because of their idiotic understanding.
A guy died in a locked room. Anthony suggests that perhaps Mickey Mouse literally crawled out of the TV in the room, strangled the guy and crawled back in. I state that such a ridiculous magical thing didn’t happen. And then Anthony says that that breaks down, because it’s now my obligation to explain how that guy died if not by the hands of Mickey Mouse.
"My god exists, so listen to what I say and do what I tell you and give me money."
I've always believed in the puddle theory. (Although It must have a better name) that if the constants weren't as they are to support the universe as it is or at least to support life, then no one would be around to question those constants. And in every place (if other places existed) that have constants that don't support life, no one is around to complain.
I think the better name is “Anthropic principle”
Yes!!
@@pansepot1490 puddle principle sounds better. Additional alliteration.
Arguing about Thor and Hulk would have been a *great* use of time actually. My opinion? Thor wins a friendly match, but hulk wins in a genuine death match.
Hulk wins because Hulk gets stronger when he is losing. Thor never gets stronger. Also, there aren't any friendly matches with Hulk as he is always angry. Thor can only beat Hulk if he attacks Bruce Banner and kills him before BB knows he is dead.
Thor could obviously not kill Hulk. At best he could neutralize him. Only one way comes to mind. Thor could carry him to somewhere in deep space and just leave him there. Hulk has no means of propulsion so he remains there forever. Thor has his little hammer to get where he needs to go. Sorry nerds.
@@Jo-JoandTaffy Thor does not fly. Superman can do that, but superman is DC. Thor can't do to the Hulk what the Hulk did to Loki. Certainly, Thor can't hold Hulk in one hand and twirl his hammer in the other. Ironman has a better chance of doing what you propose than Thor.
Hulk can smash but does Hulk ever really win? Hulk seems sad and smashes bad but Hulk not better for it.
@@hayuseen6683 All villians are of 'equal' caliber when facing Hulk or it wouldn't be fun to read. No villain can be totally defeated or they couldn't come back in a subsequent episode. The fact is Hulk is stronger than Thor and can withstand the force of Thor's hammer. Thus, Hulk would win.
Captain America can hold out against Hulk's fury with his shield, but can't hurt Hulk or make him stop.
If Hulk ever got a hold of Ironman, he would literally rip him apart.
Does that mean that scientists are stronger than god? If they are so successful at hiding the evidence, that must be the case.
Why don't these fools ever ask, "What if this is all just a scam?".
29:36 Jimmy's priceless face 😂
I will never understand how theists deny something coming from nothing while at the same time insisting the “god” has existed forever! How does god come from nothing?
Because the bible says, "GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. THE BEGINNING AND THE END." LMFAO 😂 That's how deeply embedded this stuff gets into people's minds. Since this collectively agreed upon holy book is declared the authoritative sponsor of said position these folks trust it and won't question this claim beyond what the bible says because so many people believe it and worship it and therefore it has created this illusion, or should I say delusion, that it's actually true and doesn't deserve the critical scrutiny that athiests put forward. It's a self reinforcing conspiracy theory essentially. Circular logic at its finest.
Not just did God come from nothing, he also made everything that exist from nothing by speaking it into existence.
@@pinky9440Aaaaaaand abracadabra let there be light !!!!!!
@aymerick_ Yes exactly. So they say we believe everything comes from nothing, yet the Christians believe exactly that!
Their argument is God is eternal, he always was and always is. He didn’t come from nothing if he’s always existed. Just some mental gymnastics to fit their agenda. If God is eternal then so can the universe be, thus not needing a God to be the creator.
He thinks “logic” is when you think real hard.
the caller is essentially arguing for a more convoluted “god of the gaps”.
…and is obviously uncomfortable with “i don’t know” as a placeholder.
Anthony has spent half his life calling into these shows and he has yet to provide any evidence for the deity that preoccupies his life. All he does is bore us to tears with his speculations and personal beliefs which he insist to wrap in “logic”.
This caller is proof that no god or gods exist.
It certainly is better evidence than any theists has ever provided for god's existence.
Matt's final point is what I was hoping he'd hammer on - if the findings of science are a conspiracy to hide gods, why are you using the false/misleading findings of science to prove god/s?
His argument amounts to "If spiders had 7 legs instead of 8, would Spiderman still be able to stick to walls?"
Big wizard in sky is always best explanation.
Thor could not beat up Hulk.
At least the caller can actually listen and be honest when his argument falls apart, he doesn't resist with bs.
Weaponised stupidity
Oh man I just listened back to him talking with Aaron and Erica and it gave me second hand embarrassment.
'If God wanted me to believe in him, he'd exist'
Linda Smith.
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Caller has never heard (or thought about) any of this.
In my many years of studying and working in the field of science, never once have I heard - well it more or less follows…
Sorry, but beauty of science is that it never depends on common knowledge or logical assumptions. Much of science is quite counter intuitive. Like how heavy things fall at the exact same rate as lighter ones.
It comes down to this. Of all the Gods invented by humans, not one has ever been proven to exist. However science has given tons of evidence how things came into existence and given us so much modern technology etc.
Anthony is the embodiment of the old saying: « its easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled ».
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The definition of “if I had wheels I’d be a wagon”
14:09 ".... but we can kinda theoretically speculate ...."
No, thank you.