They indeed are wasting all that time and money . Imagine the amount of time a human spends its life praying, hoping and shelling out money in the name of these gods . All those resources , time being the most essential , could be used in much more productive ways ... Simply spending time with your family is much better than spending time praying .
I think most theists are in this camp to some extent. It's just too difficult for them to come to grips with wasting decades of their life on something like religion.
And that is why blasphemy laws protecting some all-knowing, all-powerful god are blasphemous: the laws and lawmakers clearly assume that their all-knowing, all-powerful god could not even defend their own good name if they felt the need? That could only be if that god was also non-existent.
@@nosuchthing8 “Hey, these foreign gods … they are pretty lame - we must make laws to protect their name, but not for our God who can punish transgressors all by himself!” - no person ever Would you like to amend your position?
It always gets me when someone says God exists outside of time and space, because the idea of outside of time and space makes no sense at all. Even in a multiverse, each universe would encompass time and space. But I guess they have to put god somewhere, since he's nowhere to be found in our actual universe.
What he and they fail to realize is, if science actually proved God they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The person who proved God would be the most famous person in the history of the world, and would be very very rich. So the BS about science keeping it a secret is totally insane.
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its not just that, this is the mentality which made the spanish inquisition way worse than it would have been if it were just about differing religious viewpoints. Both the catholics and protestants targeted intellectuals of the day, destroying Galileo's life for daring to say that Earth revolved around the sun for fucks sake. This same mentality is what drives creationist ideology, anti-vaccine hysteria, and so much more. Its made all the more worse when we see that the revered Martin Luther pretty much came up witht he whole jewish cabal conspiracy theory which was later revisited by Russian oligarchs when they made up the protocols of the elder of zion, which inevitably was the playbook for which fascists and nazis based their entire worldviews around.
Not a chance. If science proved God, they would not shout it from the rooftops. Atheistic scientists might be very excited initially, but then they would think of all the atheist friends they would lose and how they would have to not only change their entire worldview, but also their lifestyle, to be more in accordance with God. And so their initial excitement now turns into a "no thanks."
A guy died in a locked room. Anthony suggests that perhaps Mickey Mouse literally crawled out of the TV in the room, strangled the guy and crawled back in. I state that such a ridiculous magical thing didn’t happen. And then Anthony says that that breaks down, because it’s now my obligation to explain how that guy died if not by the hands of Mickey Mouse.
The hand prints round the neck do not fit Mickey Mouse in any way That mouse does not have 7 fingers with talons at the tip and spikes in the palms. “Well, Mickey Mouse may have changed their hands…”
Jimmy, interrupting caller: "what question did i ask you?" Caller, who was in the middle of answering: "i... don't remember..." This is your brain on theism, kids. How can you answer a question if you don't even remember it 5 seconds later?
I thought it was funny when Jimmy asked him to repeat what he had asked him, and he couldn't. He was just waiting for his turn to talk, wasn't listening.
The one who does not know does not get to tear down the claims of those who claim to know. The one who does not know....is the one who is always wrong.
@@Aroniyahu The people who claim to not know have an intellectual duty to question people who claim they do know in order to see if the people who claim to know have any rational reason to think what they know is correct. So far theists have yet to provide a rational justification for what they claim to know.
@@anthonymitchell9793 All people who know and not know have an intellectual duty to question (curiously....not with doubt as is the way the atheist behaves to the theist) who claim they do know. So far theists are the only providers of a rational justification for what they claim to know. And so far, atheists and evolutionists provide the least of all religious peoples.
God, right before Anthony was born: “Send in Anthony as thy whistleblower against the wickedness of Science that hath hidden me from revealing myself!”
@@Kawamura2 On the surface it may seem that way. But it's about Judah doubting God and losing faith in God because of the iron chariots which was new tech in war at the time so the iron chariots were intimidating to Judah and his men. This is according to believers and scholars.
They make conclusions about physics that no serious physicists dares to make, even if they are believers themselves because the evidence either don't point to that or is inconclusive. For example there is no consensus if the universe had a beginning, but to apologists like Graig, it a set fact that the universe had a beginning.
Pdf file atheists do that all the time, for example, when they claim that men can menstruate and give birth while nowhere in history has there been one single case of this being true
They believe that “rational” can be subjective and “logic” doesn’t have to comport to standards. Even tho they use standard scientific analysis to try and demonstrate their irrational claims. They want god to be the only truth. Even though they argue that truth can be just what is true to them. Any way that can obfuscate or dodge responsibility or work, they will use it. It’s rational to them, because they never needed to be held to a high standard in religious circles unlike science.
When ever someone who doesn't believe in evolution say, "If humans came from monkeys, why are there stil monkeys?!?!", I just end the conversation. They have not done any real research into the science and they don't really care too.
It always amazes me that people don’t see the arrogance in asserting an answer when they just don’t know. The belief that the universe owes you an answer - what could be more egotistical? And here I thought Christians were supposed to be humble. Huh.
It’s also similarly arrogant for people to pray to god and ask for special treatment. If god has a plan and you’re asking to deviate from said plan, that is pretty arrogant.
I love reading news articles that say "discovery shocks/surprises scientists" because that usually means we just learned something new about the universe.
well, rarely actually. Most of the time it's something scientists expected to find, maybe even knew for decades and just got smaller error bars, but the media thinks it's a good headline. The few times it is sometjing really new it's often one study, that hasn't been confirmed yet, and there are plenty of possible explanations that fit in with already known science. It's very rare that media report a breakthrough and they actually got the science right, and it actually was a breakthrough. Really the only thing such titles give you is a heads up to see what scientists are actually saying about the research.
My favourite ones are like "giant astroid traveling near earth could hit us" And when you read the article "near" is like 5x the distance between the earth and the moon, then there some quote from a scientist who basically like "nah we aren't worried about it hitting us because we have been tracking it's trajectory for ages now"
According to *atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time. And according to *islame:* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
A 2nd grader only believes in flying reindeer and free toys because he was told to believe that...kind of destroys your argument. They don't have any idea of physics lol
@@disturbed157 it wasn't an argument, it was sarcasm. In my experience 2nd grade children have no real concept of physics. Sure there's the rare prodigy but most kids that age can't explain why the apple hit the ground after it separated from the tree. I'm fairly certain that Sir Issac Newton was at least in high school.
Yall convinced me that it is silly to believe in god. Now can you convince me why it is silly for me to not be a serial killer? Any evidence or proof will be helpful
I think I've heard hundreds of these theists, and I've never heard a single one of them who wasn't just repeating exactly the same arguments and assertions made by a handful of popular apologists. NEVER anything original. NEVER anything new. And they always rattle them off, one after another, with no awareness that they are hoary old cliches. They always seem to think that they are going to stun everyone with the blazing originality of their points. And they ALWAYS pretend that they thought them up all by their little ole selves.
Isn't it something like looking for the honest man among the rich or the needle in the haystack are some parable in the Bible because I don't think we're ever going to find one. But I'm going to keep listening in the hopes that I find one of them that finally convinces me that there's a God.😂
@@Mehki227 I've known many people with some kind of religious faith who use it as a framework for living an honourable life. However, such people are not likely to phone up talk shows or attempt to convert you. Sometimes this kind of faith is specifically Christian, or Hindu or Buddhist or whatever, but more often just the idea that there is some vague creator being, or that they will somehow exist after death. Usually nice people hold these beliefs. I understand their motives and their reasoning, but don't share them, having always been thoroughly secular. Others are "cultural" believers who do not invest much in some beliefs they grew up with but see no urgent reason to worry about or to "deconstruct" them. I'm glad that I live in Canada, where these attitudes are by far the most common ones in our culture ---- the kind of loud and aggressive religion you find in the U.S. is quite rare in our country. Bigotry exists in some corners, but gains little social approval. The largest Protestant denomination, historically, is the United Church of Canada, which has been LGBT+ positive since back in the 1970s, and concerns itself largely with social justice, charities, and bake sales. The other Protestant churches are mostly the old "mainstream" ones. Catholicism is technically the largest religion in Canada but has long been overwhelmingly nominal, with few people setting foot in a church except for weddings and Christmas Mass. The "none" category is the same as you would find in Scandinavia. People are much more concerned with Hockey than with religion. Marriage equality was enacted back in 2008 with little opposition. Most Canadians consider the mixing of religion into politics to offend their sensibilities, and religion is never mentioned by politicians. Canadians have always considered religious beliefs to be a matter of private individual conscience, of nobody's concern but their own, and that it is rude to preach to others. In recent years, there has been some growth in the evangelical and fundamentalist churches, but they have never been more than two percent of the population. I find myself fascinated by all this atheist/apologist stuff on UA-cam because it seems alien and bizarre to me. The political aspect in the U.S. is just downright terrifying.
"Okay, so there's shit. And shit is a way. You still with me? Okay. Shit is the way that shit is, and shit is not a way other than the way that shit is. Shit could conceivably have been a way other than the way that shit is, and yet, shit is NOT a way other than the way that shit is; shit is, in fact, the way that shit is. The ONLY POSSIBLE WAY that this could be so is if there is a magical Shit-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-And-Not-a-Way-Other-Than-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-Maker." - fucking genius
Masterfully put. And if shit were another way, a way we can conceive it might be, but can only speculate, that would be the way that shit is. Shit is always the way that shit is, and is never another way, because that is the way that shit is.
27:43 Specifically, what was discovered was that galaxies had formed into a complete state much, much earlier than anticipated, which broke a lot of the ideas about _galaxy formation_ and the time it took after the big bang for it to happen. Absolutely nothing about the big bang itself was changed, theories around the formation and timeline for the generation of galaxies were what changed.
It's the theist's claim turned around against the opponent. Since they make the claim that god spoke the universe into existence from nothing. They're just so dumb they don't even realize how dumb they are.
They just don’t understand what Steven Hawking meant when he said “there was nothing around before the big Big Bang.” Then he goes on to say that space time has no boundary so it is impossible for there to be anything else other than space.
...if we asked people whats the chance of these individual creature existing i would hope and expect only a tiny below 1% would say they existed but i think a god is in the same ballpark as those other mythological creatures...yet amazingly with zero evidence 84% of the worlds population in 2014 believed in a god.....really hope that figure is much lower today
Yes, *according to atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time. And *according to islame,* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
If your position can only be defended with lies, then your position is not worth defending. The truth is not defended with lies, but with the truth; only lies can be defended with more lies.
I wonder... has anyone here ever encountered a person who accuses entire groups they have never met of conspiracies, but DIDN'T show _themselves_ to be massively dishonest while doing so? Because I sure haven't.
Haven't seen the entire call yet but I know Anthony is in for a very rude awakening debating Matt AND Jimmy. Not a good day to be a theist calling into the line that's for sure lol.
I swear Anthony has called so many time that it doesn’t even feel like he has a life outside of this. He is an atheist in denial and throwing whatever shit against the wall in order to preserve his fantasy
@@MultiBigAndy No. Never seen it. I know you're trying to be smug but smugness isn't exactly gonna help you in a debate cuz it's pretty obvious you're not actually listening or trying to understand
Thank you! I’ve been using that example for years. There’s no reason to think these constants aren’t just necessary results of the way things fit together. What would it mean for pi to be = 4? What if e were a different number? The questions don’t make sense.
I read a physicist Brian Greene book several years ago (I'm just a pop physicist/quantum etc person 😉) but he said if the physical laws of the universe weren't as they are nothing could develop, ie planets, stars, matter, whatever, it just couldn't happen. Stuff wouldn't work. 😊
@@cambranson Sure, but that doesn't answer if there actually could be other universes with different laws. If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. But that doesn't mean there is a parallel universe in which my uncle is my aunt. The fact that I can conceive of something doesn't make it possible, let alone real.
Like Trumpers say "do your own research" nonsense, when they don't mean doing real research AT ALL, but finding someone who says what they already believe (no matter how irrational and lacking any evidence).
As an atheist, I accept that circumstances are such that life exists. End of story. Anthony notes these circumstances and sees the vastness of space, considers the unquantifiable number of stars and planets and black holes and concludes that he is the reason for it all. There's probably a word for that...
I work in a science field. I had to tell someone who was getting conspiratorial that most of us scientists are just out here trying to do our jobs. We’re not part of some secret group trying to dupe the public.
But they "know", like flat earthers "know" NASA is just a huge conspiracy to make people think the earth is (roughly) round. I swear, I thought more clearly than that, routinely, at age 10, and MUCH MUCH more clearly than that by age 12.
The caller displays typical symptoms of cognitive bias. He says science only proves god. but when confronted with the information scientists are becoming more and more atheists, he puts a new layer of conspiratorial pseudo-explanation instead of accepting the most logical conclusion.
@@James-ll3jb I didn't make a typo like you suggested. Anyway, what I meant is that a vast majority of scientists in the US are atheists. The exact number varies, depending on the study, but for instance, 93% of members of the National Academy of Sciences are agnostic or atheist. I made the comment in the context of the conversation because it was referred during the call.
That reminds me VERY MUCH of SO MANY dumb people / students doing quizzes on UA-cam and showing they apparently paid NO attention throughout their schooling. They don't even listen to the question, and often clearly are answering a different question quite often.
Well a singularity is any hypothetical point mass with infinite density, but if you are talking about the cosmological model then "the singularity" would be everything ig
@@powbobs I see. Yeah I have had theists get really mad at me when I ask them to define nothing and ask further questions about it. They just want it to be a part of whatever premise of their crappy argument and not explore any more.
Anthony says "I don't believe in the big bang, because everything can't come from nothing. Also Anthony "I believe in God, because he spoke everything into existence from nothing." (Anthony didn't say it, but it is clearly what he believes.)
And who spoke God into existence? If something can't come from nothing then something had to create this God also, you can't just claim he's eternal since it goes against things coming from nothing.
2 observations: 1) It sounds like a person sees him/herself as a victim of one thing or another by the way the word "me" is spoken. That's just something I've noticed over the years. 2) When Matt makes a point and the caller responds by saying, "right", it sounds to me like they're just dismissing everything Matt said by appearing to be in agreement when Matt's message probably wasn't even heard because the caller is likely anxious to get their next thought aired.
"The big bang says everything came from nothing--" "No it doesnt" Flabberghasted, misinformed, caller spends the next 5 mins trying to cling to arguing against a point that nobody made
I'm almost as flabbergasted that he knew the big bang and evolution aren't the same thing. The number of times reality deniers say evolution claims everything exploded from nothing....
@@Aroniyahu If you're a theist you believe the same thing, just in a dumber more roundabout way. God is either eternal or came from nothing. You're ultimately left with the EXACT same problem, you've just added an extra layer of abstraction that wasn't needed.
@@Crystan Except an all powerful universe that designs everything including its own laws.....is unrealistically MAGICAL. Sky Daddy is much more realistic of the two options.
He asks from atheist to explanation why lightspeed is the way that it, but apparently has he asked god the same? If it was the only way, what is limiting that god to it.
We must remember that the people who call-in are a self-selecting group so they likely share similar traits such as: - They've never had their ideas directly challenged - They severely misunderstand the opposing position This leads to a overabundance of confidence in their position to the point that they're willing to challenge people who have been shooting down similar nonsense for decades.
I am part of this conspiracy. Only last week I had to hide God in the cupboard where I keep the test tubes and litmus papers. Appearance? Mustache, about 6'2".
I have yet to see any atheists that disbelieve on the merits of science, rather than on the merits of their emotion and heart's desire for God to not exist.
Yes Aron, because emotions are a very reliable method for knowing truth. I just watched a video of people in more than 10 different religions expressing the convictions of emotions they had that revealed that their religion is true. I’m joining them all now because you just confirmed emotions are reliable! Thanks!
It never ceases to amaze me how callers, who appear to have some intelligence, can’t understand when each of their points is refuted by logic, and The caller is unable to grasp that fact and admit that they are wrong.
What mechanism would generate a god from nothing? That question can only be solved or answered thru special pleading, bald assertion, or circular reasoning.
I will keep saying this: Time does not exist independent of space. Space-time is a single unit. At all points in time, space and everything in it exists. The concept of "before the universe" is physically meaningless. It is not the case that the universe didn't exist at one point in time and then did exist at a later point in time. Whether the set of "points in time" is infinite in duration or not is irrelevant.
I once had somebody try to tell me that an eternal universe isn't possible because on an infinite timescale, the chances of me existing right now are infinitely small. Of course, he lacked an understanding of basic probability because the chances of me existing right now are actually 100%... seeing as I DO exist right now! On an infinite timescale in the massive universe, my existence in it may be the most fleeting moment for the most infinitesimal speck in a vast ocean, but as the speck experiencing it the relative scale of it is unimportant to the fact of my actual existence. Not only that, but he also tried to argue that Heaven and Hell were eternal. So I went on to point out that then Heaven and Hell suffer from the same issue he claimed the universe does. By his understanding of why the universe couldn't be eternal, he had effectively proven that Heaven and Hell couldn't even exist, and neither could the very concept of eternal souls. He didn't like that very much...
@@Jedi_Vigilante we are obligated to accept that we, and the reality we inhabit exist. Heaven and Hell are not only logical absurdities, there is not a scintilla if observational evidence supporting the claim that such places are even possible.
Our universe exists from T=0 to T=infinity (probably). What exists at T= -1? I think there's value in questioning what caused the big bang, and what greater structure might exist beyond our spacetime. If there is no time outside of our spacetime, how would causation even work? How we would ever actually answer these questions scientifically, I have no idea.
@@Kinoko314 There are multiple hypotheses, many more than I have studied: Time may extend infinitely backward - in which case there is no "beginning of time" Time may be cyclic - in which case there is no "beginning of time". Hawing's "boundary-less universe" hypothesis may be correct - in which case there is no "beginning of time". At the moment we don't know, we may never know. None of this makes the conclusion "therefore God must have done it" correct.
"Seems to follow", "makes more sense to me", "I find it more probable".... listen for statements like those because it usual means someone wants to equivocate or hand wave from A to C and treat their intuition as authoritative without support
The irrational idea that you can know Anything about something compared to someone that studied it day in and day out is insane. Ok ig i dont need college, ill just pretend i know exactly how physics works or that it doesnt exist. Im gonna reinvent the wheel or assume the wheel doesnt exist. Im gonna lecture a baker on how to bake cookies even tho ive never baked any.
Matter isn’t destroyed, it’s transformed into energy. Energy can be transformed into matter. Matter is just energy in a different state. Energy is just matter in another state.
Anthony can be summarized thus: "I can't understand so many deep things, so logically, there must be a magic man. But let me just claim a bunch of stuff with no foundation and say it's logical."
The atheist can be summarized thus: "I can't understand so many deep things, so logically, there must not be a god. Because I reeeeeally don't want him to exist."
My experience is people who question big bang don't know what the theory says. Usually, I ask them to describe what big bang is, as they understand it, and almost never get an answer. It seems they think it says that "something came out of nothing", but in reality it is about the expansion and has been proven beyond doubt.
Yes, that is generally what Christians believe. That is what I believed, too, when I was a Christian. And it is because that is what they tell you in the Christian community, and they vilified it to the point that even bringing it up in conversation is ridiculous.
@@aymerick_ If someone criticises a scientific theory, especially in ignorant way, ask them to describe or explain it to you as they understand it. Then you can correct the mistakes. Such question, however, tends to shut down conversations. They won't respond or get offended, their ego gets bruised and exposes even to themselves they don't know what they are talking about, etc. The conversation gets quickly super dumb, but it can be rewarding in a peculiar way. You can practice sharp responses as well ;)
I'm amazed that anyone in the scientific community can get any real work done, what with all of the plots and conspiracies they're supposed to be involved with according to people like this caller.
The fine tuning argument is the equivilent of saying that if PI was not 3.14 then circles could not exist, therefore there must be a god that set PI to 3.14. PI does not allow circles to exist it DESCRIBES them. In terms of the constants this guy is talking about, they don't even describe the universe, they describe our current best model of the universe, so if they were different, the universe would not be different, our model of the universe would be different (and wrong).
Why does it have to be design when what we see is machinery at the microbiological level? Why does machinery have to be designed? It sounds like you desire for design to not be the case.
If I can't explain something it obviously was the result of a leprechauns burp. They are so cute!!! Tiny little burps. Later we will learn the gaps in our knowledge are the result of hiccups, not burps. Then comes the 17 year hicc-burp war.
I've always believed in the puddle theory. (Although It must have a better name) that if the constants weren't as they are to support the universe as it is or at least to support life, then no one would be around to question those constants. And in every place (if other places existed) that have constants that don't support life, no one is around to complain.
"I don't understand it, therefore it's impossible." This is the problem with theists - fear mixed with arrogance. They can't bear to not know, to admit they don't know... so they just shut down. It's pathetic.
Anthony was trying to use the "crisis in cosmology" as an argument against the Big Bang. There is an inconsistency in the measured age of the universe, depending on the method used to estimate it. What he does not say is that the inconsistency is so small that only professional cosmologists have any need to address it. Anthony is trying to give a lecture on cosmology while not even having college-level knowledge of cosmology, but he is so arrogant that he wants to tell others that he is a world-class cosmologist.
If the constants didn't exist in such a way for a universe that could support life, then no one would be around to complain about the constants not being perfect to support life. Thus only in a universe where life exists could there be anyone to wonder why the constants aren't what they are.
@@michaelcolfin8464: True. But that says NOTHING about what the constants could be, which ones could exist, etc. in other universes (which we lack the capacity to do actual science on).
@@rogergeyer9851 I don't see your point. The odds of our universe existing is one, since we know it exists. We have no information about any other universe or any other constants. But that doesn't matter, the only universe we care about is our own.
I have a PhD in elementary particle physics, so I must be in on the conspiracy. Where are my ShillBux? This caller is a clown. I don't even take him seriously enough to respond to. You gotta love the people who think they are smarter and more honest than all the world's scholars. They never, ever are. Not either.
It seems that people who have never earned an advanced degree have no idea what a hard slog that is, and how it changes your understanding of your area of study. They have a superficial understanding (at best) of a subject and they have no idea how much deeper it goes. I wonder if they think scholars just make sh*t up. This caller seems to fit this description. Beyond frustrating.
Yup! This! Seems to me that people who have not studied at the university level think that we spend all our time memorizing shit from books the way we all did in elementary school. Actually, we spend most of our time learning how to find stuff out for ourselves.
@@RafaelGarcia-jb3me - If you're talking to me, do you think I care? Philosophy is words. Physics has evidence. Words by themselves mean nothing without tangible reproducible evidence.
Hi, God here. These evil scientists keep hiding the best evidence for my existence! I wish I could do something about it! Oh, well... Thank myself I have Anthony!
The caller sounded like he had some honest (if wrong) arguments for god, then it comes out that he was a total conspiracy theorist ! He shoulda said that at the start.
"Misunderstanding of physics can't be used as an argument for God" Priceless! This is the very thing used as an argument against God - "God of the gaps".
Matt's final point is what I was hoping he'd hammer on - if the findings of science are a conspiracy to hide gods, why are you using the false/misleading findings of science to prove god/s?
Anthony doesn't have even the slightest clue how much he misunderstands or just doesn't know about these science topics. And clearly he doesn't actually care. He's a motivated reasoner at best.
I see the problem as organized religion mislead their congregation about what atheism actually is. So It’s easy to dismiss atheism because they don’t understand it.
I will never understand how theists deny something coming from nothing while at the same time insisting the “god” has existed forever! How does god come from nothing?
Because the bible says, "GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. THE BEGINNING AND THE END." LMFAO 😂 That's how deeply embedded this stuff gets into people's minds. Since this collectively agreed upon holy book is declared the authoritative sponsor of said position these folks trust it and won't question this claim beyond what the bible says because so many people believe it and worship it and therefore it has created this illusion, or should I say delusion, that it's actually true and doesn't deserve the critical scrutiny that athiests put forward. It's a self reinforcing conspiracy theory essentially. Circular logic at its finest.
Their argument is God is eternal, he always was and always is. He didn’t come from nothing if he’s always existed. Just some mental gymnastics to fit their agenda. If God is eternal then so can the universe be, thus not needing a God to be the creator.
In my many years of studying and working in the field of science, never once have I heard - well it more or less follows… Sorry, but beauty of science is that it never depends on common knowledge or logical assumptions. Much of science is quite counter intuitive. Like how heavy things fall at the exact same rate as lighter ones.
Why did Anthony’s god not explain to him (via his prayers to his god) how the universe came into existence. Anthony says he believes in a god, which god?
Someone accidentally spills a bag of bird seed on an old parking lot. Most of the seeds are eventually eaten by wild birds or blown away by the wind. However, a few seeds slip through some cracks in the pavement and begin to sprout. Must be all part of God's perfect plan.
Arguing about Thor and Hulk would have been a *great* use of time actually. My opinion? Thor wins a friendly match, but hulk wins in a genuine death match.
Hulk wins because Hulk gets stronger when he is losing. Thor never gets stronger. Also, there aren't any friendly matches with Hulk as he is always angry. Thor can only beat Hulk if he attacks Bruce Banner and kills him before BB knows he is dead.
Thor could obviously not kill Hulk. At best he could neutralize him. Only one way comes to mind. Thor could carry him to somewhere in deep space and just leave him there. Hulk has no means of propulsion so he remains there forever. Thor has his little hammer to get where he needs to go. Sorry nerds.
@@Jo-JoandTaffy Thor does not fly. Superman can do that, but superman is DC. Thor can't do to the Hulk what the Hulk did to Loki. Certainly, Thor can't hold Hulk in one hand and twirl his hammer in the other. Ironman has a better chance of doing what you propose than Thor.
@@hayuseen6683 All villians are of 'equal' caliber when facing Hulk or it wouldn't be fun to read. No villain can be totally defeated or they couldn't come back in a subsequent episode. The fact is Hulk is stronger than Thor and can withstand the force of Thor's hammer. Thus, Hulk would win. Captain America can hold out against Hulk's fury with his shield, but can't hurt Hulk or make him stop. If Hulk ever got a hold of Ironman, he would literally rip him apart.
Bibles and churches, that's what Gwad is responsible for, stuff that people did. Oh, and wars and the Spanish inquisition. Bet you didn't expect that.🤭
“God needs to exist otherwise I’ve wasted most of my life believing in a lie”
There, summed up his whole argument.
Scary😂
They indeed are wasting all that time and money . Imagine the amount of time a human spends its life praying, hoping and shelling out money in the name of these gods . All those resources , time being the most essential , could be used in much more productive ways ... Simply spending time with your family is much better than spending time praying .
I think most theists are in this camp to some extent.
It's just too difficult for them to come to grips with wasting decades of their life on something like religion.
this!!
death is powerful..makes you believe in silly things
If a god wanted to be discovered by literally anyone how would science ever possibly be able to prevent that?
Something something the devil.
@KC - because an omnipotent god is so weak that a handful of humans can easily overpower them. /s
I've ask that before and they got mad. I think that's a valid question.
Pretty weak ass God who can't reveal himself unless Anthony helps him.
Free choice, faith, blah blah, devil, blah Marxism blah blah, sciencism
Was it not Thomas Jefferson who said that a god is not very powerful if it needs the government to protect it.
I don’t know, but it sounds like a true statement.
And that is why blasphemy laws protecting some all-knowing, all-powerful god are blasphemous: the laws and lawmakers clearly assume that their all-knowing, all-powerful god could not even defend their own good name if they felt the need?
That could only be if that god was also non-existent.
@@advorak8529or it could be like what the original israelites thought about the other gods. That they were lame.
@@nosuchthing8 “Hey, these foreign gods … they are pretty lame - we must make laws to protect their name, but not for our God who can punish transgressors all by himself!”
- no person ever
Would you like to amend your position?
He also removed all the mentions of miracles from his bible
Theists: God exists outside of time and space.
Also theists: Science is hiding God!
It’s always nice when theists like your hypothetical admit that God exists nowhere for zero seconds.
@@Leith_Crowther I chuckle every time.
Jee a contradictory statement.. wonder where they got those from. Perhaps the buybull.
It always gets me when someone says God exists outside of time and space, because the idea of outside of time and space makes no sense at all. Even in a multiverse, each universe would encompass time and space. But I guess they have to put god somewhere, since he's nowhere to be found in our actual universe.
As Aron Ra put it; if god exist outside of time and space, then, at no time nor in any space does god exist.
What he and they fail to realize is, if science actually proved God they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The person who proved God would be the most famous person in the history of the world, and would be very very rich. So the BS about science keeping it a secret is totally insane.
its not just that, this is the mentality which made the spanish inquisition way worse than it would have been if it were just about differing religious viewpoints. Both the catholics and protestants targeted intellectuals of the day, destroying Galileo's life for daring to say that Earth revolved around the sun for fucks sake. This same mentality is what drives creationist ideology, anti-vaccine hysteria, and so much more. Its made all the more worse when we see that the revered Martin Luther pretty much came up witht he whole jewish cabal conspiracy theory which was later revisited by Russian oligarchs when they made up the protocols of the elder of zion, which inevitably was the playbook for which fascists and nazis based their entire worldviews around.
This person would also be a HERO to every religious person on the planet...
Not a chance. If science proved God, they would not shout it from the rooftops. Atheistic scientists might be very excited initially, but then they would think of all the atheist friends they would lose and how they would have to not only change their entire worldview, but also their lifestyle, to be more in accordance with God. And so their initial excitement now turns into a "no thanks."
That is the easy part for them, convincing us that their particular god is worthy of worship, therein lies the impossible part.
@@aaronstypes4083,
If scientists demonstrate that god, doesn't mean anything else needs to happen. What a load of BS.
A guy died in a locked room. Anthony suggests that perhaps Mickey Mouse literally crawled out of the TV in the room, strangled the guy and crawled back in. I state that such a ridiculous magical thing didn’t happen. And then Anthony says that that breaks down, because it’s now my obligation to explain how that guy died if not by the hands of Mickey Mouse.
But he did do it, just have faith
The hand prints round the neck do not fit Mickey Mouse in any way That mouse does not have 7 fingers with talons at the tip and spikes in the palms.
“Well, Mickey Mouse may have changed their hands…”
It was mini mouse.....now prove me wrong..
Jimmy, interrupting caller: "what question did i ask you?"
Caller, who was in the middle of answering: "i... don't remember..."
This is your brain on theism, kids. How can you answer a question if you don't even remember it 5 seconds later?
He wasn't really listening to any questions. He just wanted to assert his beliefs...badly
@@Apophis1010
Well that's the norm.
Don’t be too harsh. My brain works the same way.
@@abcd7613 I was gonna say the same thing. I sometimes forget what I was saying previously during a conversation.
@@abcd7613 haha me too. When he asked the caller the question I was already listening to the answer and forgetting the question.
Whenever he pauses, you can almost hear his brain furiously trying to choreograph his mental gymnastics routines.
Yep. Dusting his hands getting ready for the uneven bars; hoping he has a better dismount than his last routine.
A half pike-back Sukahara with a twist and reverse landing for his god arguments
As anyone would who has had held a position most of their life
@@petyrkowalski9887s
I thought it was funny when Jimmy asked him to repeat what he had asked him, and he couldn't. He was just waiting for his turn to talk, wasn't listening.
Can people just simply realise that the statement " I don't know " is a statement of extraordinary wisdom !
Indeed. The path to wisdom begins the moment you utter the phrase “I don’t know.”
The one who does not know does not get to tear down the claims of those who claim to know. The one who does not know....is the one who is always wrong.
Absolutely--every great scientific discovery starts with what you said.
@@Aroniyahu The people who claim to not know have an intellectual duty to question people who claim they do know in order to see if the people who claim to know have any rational reason to think what they know is correct.
So far theists have yet to provide a rational justification for what they claim to know.
@@anthonymitchell9793 All people who know and not know have an intellectual duty to question (curiously....not with doubt as is the way the atheist behaves to the theist) who claim they do know.
So far theists are the only providers of a rational justification for what they claim to know.
And so far, atheists and evolutionists provide the least of all religious peoples.
God, right before Anthony was born: “Send in Anthony as thy whistleblower against the wickedness of Science that hath hidden me from revealing myself!”
😅
Hahaha 🤣🤣
and if God existed and did that he failed like he failed with the chariots while he was with Judah in Judges. 🤣🤣
@@kacklerot Isn't that the whole iron chariots passage where iron is god's kryptonite?
@@Kawamura2 On the surface it may seem that way. But it's about Judah doubting God and losing faith in God because of the iron chariots which was new tech in war at the time so the iron chariots were intimidating to Judah and his men. This is according to believers and scholars.
It’s always hilarious to hear people with no understanding of physics use physics as an argument.
It is as hilarious as it is sad and scary too.
He does have a tiny understanding of limited physics. It's called; "The Dunning Kruger Effect". A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
It's hilarious until idiots think stupid shit like "masks don't work".
They make conclusions about physics that no serious physicists dares to make, even if they are believers themselves because the evidence either don't point to that or is inconclusive. For example there is no consensus if the universe had a beginning, but to apologists like Graig, it a set fact that the universe had a beginning.
@@chrisgraham2904
He knows some words related to physics.
'If God wanted me to believe in him, he'd exist'
Linda Smith.
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Good old Linda
How is it rational to dismiss accepted scientific theory, when you have no understanding whatsoever of the subject ?
Pdf file atheists do that all the time, for example, when they claim that men can menstruate and give birth while nowhere in history has there been one single case of this being true
They believe that “rational” can be subjective and “logic” doesn’t have to comport to standards. Even tho they use standard scientific analysis to try and demonstrate their irrational claims. They want god to be the only truth. Even though they argue that truth can be just what is true to them. Any way that can obfuscate or dodge responsibility or work, they will use it. It’s rational to them, because they never needed to be held to a high standard in religious circles unlike science.
Because God.
It IS much easier to say "nuh-uh" to all scientific data if you start from the point of ignorance.
When ever someone who doesn't believe in evolution say, "If humans came from monkeys, why are there stil monkeys?!?!", I just end the conversation. They have not done any real research into the science and they don't really care too.
It always amazes me that people don’t see the arrogance in asserting an answer when they just don’t know. The belief that the universe owes you an answer - what could be more egotistical? And here I thought Christians were supposed to be humble. Huh.
Religious indoctrination kills critical thinking and poisons the brain.
It doesnt owe me an answer. But i sure feel like it does 😉
@@ngcastronerd4791 me feelings feel good sometimes 🙂
It’s also similarly arrogant for people to pray to god and ask for special treatment. If god has a plan and you’re asking to deviate from said plan, that is pretty arrogant.
@@terranhealer good point.
I love reading news articles that say "discovery shocks/surprises scientists" because that usually means we just learned something new about the universe.
Mental matt your foolish leader! Lmao. Time to wake up. Jesus saves sinners! Now use that brain God gave you atheist!
well, rarely actually. Most of the time it's something scientists expected to find, maybe even knew for decades and just got smaller error bars, but the media thinks it's a good headline. The few times it is sometjing really new it's often one study, that hasn't been confirmed yet, and there are plenty of possible explanations that fit in with already known science. It's very rare that media report a breakthrough and they actually got the science right, and it actually was a breakthrough. Really the only thing such titles give you is a heads up to see what scientists are actually saying about the research.
My favourite ones are like "giant astroid traveling near earth could hit us"
And when you read the article "near" is like 5x the distance between the earth and the moon, then there some quote from a scientist who basically like "nah we aren't worried about it hitting us because we have been tracking it's trajectory for ages now"
@@kasocool2812when that's the case, check the margins of error
like 2+2=5?
A 2nd grader misunderstanding of physics explains flying reindeer and free toys.
Does the caller believe in Santa?
According to *atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time.
And according to *islame:* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
Finally, at minute 18, we hear caller admit that he just can't abide the idea of a point where physics breaks down. Somethin' must'a did it, by gum.
A 2nd grader only believes in flying reindeer and free toys because he was told to believe that...kind of destroys your argument. They don't have any idea of physics lol
@@disturbed157 it wasn't an argument, it was sarcasm. In my experience 2nd grade children have no real concept of physics. Sure there's the rare prodigy but most kids that age can't explain why the apple hit the ground after it separated from the tree. I'm fairly certain that Sir Issac Newton was at least in high school.
Yall convinced me that it is silly to believe in god. Now can you convince me why it is silly for me to not be a serial killer? Any evidence or proof will be helpful
I don't know everything and some things seem incredible to me. Doesn't that mean that god exists?
No. No it doesn't.
I'm still fascinated by the "magic" of how phones work.
@@temporarilyimmortal795 they were designed by a DESIGNOR phone god.
Theists jump over "How" and "Why" straight to "Who". Some even take step further and say "My god."
I mean… it’s easier to think that a guy did a magic trick some 6000 years ago than to learn some physics.
@@temporarilyimmortal795ok, but would you argue that phones are magic?
Thor Vs Hulk debates are never a waste of time!
Yep, my uncle thor is getting pissed ................
Of course they are.
Thor would demolish Hulk so bad, his own grey self wouldn't recognize him after.
Didn't Thor kick hulks @$$? Or was that just a Hollywood adaptation
Christian argument for a god is as intelligent as "hulk smash"
I think I've heard hundreds of these theists, and I've never heard a single one of them who wasn't just repeating exactly the same arguments and assertions made by a handful of popular apologists. NEVER anything original. NEVER anything new. And they always rattle them off, one after another, with no awareness that they are hoary old cliches. They always seem to think that they are going to stun everyone with the blazing originality of their points. And they ALWAYS pretend that they thought them up all by their little ole selves.
I don't expect any theists will reply to this but I'll answer for them. All right here goes... Ahem:
No u
I couldn't come up for anything intelligent either trying to prove an invisible being that made everything and cares if we masturbate.
It's the pattern of behavior for which the description P.r.a.t.t. was coined: Points refuted a thousand (or trillion?) times ;)
Isn't it something like looking for the honest man among the rich or the needle in the haystack are some parable in the Bible because I don't think we're ever going to find one. But I'm going to keep listening in the hopes that I find one of them that finally convinces me that there's a God.😂
@@Mehki227 I've known many people with some kind of religious faith who use it as a framework for living an honourable life. However, such people are not likely to phone up talk shows or attempt to convert you. Sometimes this kind of faith is specifically Christian, or Hindu or Buddhist or whatever, but more often just the idea that there is some vague creator being, or that they will somehow exist after death. Usually nice people hold these beliefs. I understand their motives and their reasoning, but don't share them, having always been thoroughly secular. Others are "cultural" believers who do not invest much in some beliefs they grew up with but see no urgent reason to worry about or to "deconstruct" them. I'm glad that I live in Canada, where these attitudes are by far the most common ones in our culture ---- the kind of loud and aggressive religion you find in the U.S. is quite rare in our country. Bigotry exists in some corners, but gains little social approval. The largest Protestant denomination, historically, is the United Church of Canada, which has been LGBT+ positive since back in the 1970s, and concerns itself largely with social justice, charities, and bake sales. The other Protestant churches are mostly the old "mainstream" ones. Catholicism is technically the largest religion in Canada but has long been overwhelmingly nominal, with few people setting foot in a church except for weddings and Christmas Mass. The "none" category is the same as you would find in Scandinavia. People are much more concerned with Hockey than with religion. Marriage equality was enacted back in 2008 with little opposition. Most Canadians consider the mixing of religion into politics to offend their sensibilities, and religion is never mentioned by politicians. Canadians have always considered religious beliefs to be a matter of private individual conscience, of nobody's concern but their own, and that it is rude to preach to others. In recent years, there has been some growth in the evangelical and fundamentalist churches, but they have never been more than two percent of the population. I find myself fascinated by all this atheist/apologist stuff on UA-cam because it seems alien and bizarre to me. The political aspect in the U.S. is just downright terrifying.
"My understanding of cosmology is based on what I remember somone telling me when I was 8."
Cool bro. You do you.
“There comes a point where atheists have to assume the universe came from nothing”
This BOILS my blood. NO! I don’t believe that, YOU DO!!
The thing theist can never say and csan’t imagine anyone saying is, “I don’t know..“
So everything becomes a false dichotomy.
"Okay, so there's shit. And shit is a way. You still with me? Okay. Shit is the way that shit is, and shit is not a way other than the way that shit is. Shit could conceivably have been a way other than the way that shit is, and yet, shit is NOT a way other than the way that shit is; shit is, in fact, the way that shit is. The ONLY POSSIBLE WAY that this could be so is if there is a magical Shit-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-And-Not-a-Way-Other-Than-the-Way-That-Shit-Is-Maker."
- fucking genius
Masterfully put. And if shit were another way, a way we can conceive it might be, but can only speculate, that would be the way that shit is. Shit is always the way that shit is, and is never another way, because that is the way that shit is.
Holy shit!😂😂😂
@@ziploc2000 I have seen shit being in numerous different ways though. Some arguments are solid and some are runny, and so is shit.
In my head I hear that comment in Jon Cleese’s voice
@@mmedonis now you have me hear it too...I'm converted to Cleaseism...
27:43 Specifically, what was discovered was that galaxies had formed into a complete state much, much earlier than anticipated, which broke a lot of the ideas about _galaxy formation_ and the time it took after the big bang for it to happen. Absolutely nothing about the big bang itself was changed, theories around the formation and timeline for the generation of galaxies were what changed.
It seems often that when people say they feel something is true it indicates that they’re not thinking.
Knowing in their heart...same.
There exists exactly ZERO theories in cosmology of everything coming from ABSOLUTELY LITERALLY NOTHING.
It's the theist's claim turned around against the opponent. Since they make the claim that god spoke the universe into existence from nothing.
They're just so dumb they don't even realize how dumb they are.
That's right. Atheist believe everything came from nothing! Mental matt the atheists foolish leader! Jesus saves sinners and fools like matt!
We have no real concept of 'nothing', because how could we. We'd have to have an understanding of a state that was a lack-of-state.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Yes, what is the thing that doesn't exist? What is an is not without an is?
They just don’t understand what Steven Hawking meant when he said “there was nothing around before the big Big Bang.” Then he goes on to say that space time has no boundary so it is impossible for there to be anything else other than space.
I'm glad that Anthony has essentially argued for pixies, sprites, imps, gnomes, fairies and similar creatures.
...if we asked people whats the chance of these individual creature existing i would hope and expect only a tiny below 1% would say they existed but i think a god is in the same ballpark as those other mythological creatures...yet amazingly with zero evidence 84% of the worlds population in 2014 believed in a god.....really hope that figure is much lower today
@@Pmrace1960 60% of the American population claim to believe in angels. Never under estimate stupid.
@@Pmrace1960 there aren't any supposed consequences for not believing in those things, whereas gods tend to have some weight to throw around.
@@kellywalker1664 carrots and sticks
“we need to stop anthony. he’s getting too close to the truth” -no one ever
"speculate" because I can't bring myself to say "I don't know".
did he call that day to erica and that guy
if you know
Yes, *according to atheist religion,* _"Atheist are the best of people and great examples for man kind"_ and one example of that is atheist mao zedong who did away with 70 million people in very short time.
And *according to islame,* _"Muslims are the best of people and great example for man kind"_ and one example of that we find when the prophet boned baby aisha when she was nine *sunan abi dawud 2121*
I can't have both?
@@kellywalker1664 not in science class but go ahead.
If your position can only be defended with lies, then your position is not worth defending. The truth is not defended with lies, but with the truth; only lies can be defended with more lies.
Is that original with you? It's quite excellent.
I wonder... has anyone here ever encountered a person who accuses entire groups they have never met of conspiracies, but DIDN'T show _themselves_ to be massively dishonest while doing so? Because I sure haven't.
Haven't seen the entire call yet but I know Anthony is in for a very rude awakening debating Matt AND Jimmy. Not a good day to be a theist calling into the line that's for sure lol.
I swear Anthony has called so many time that it doesn’t even feel like he has a life outside of this. He is an atheist in denial and throwing whatever shit against the wall in order to preserve his fantasy
Remember Andrew Wilson's debate with Matt?? 🤔😉
@@MultiBigAndy No. Never seen it. I know you're trying to be smug but smugness isn't exactly gonna help you in a debate cuz it's pretty obvious you're not actually listening or trying to understand
What would circles look like if pi were different?
... that's what fine tuning arguments sound like.
Nice analogy. 💚
Thank you! I’ve been using that example for years.
There’s no reason to think these constants aren’t just necessary results of the way things fit together.
What would it mean for pi to be = 4?
What if e were a different number?
The questions don’t make sense.
1 Kings 7:23 sez it's 3. Why are creationists picketing biology class and giving geometry a pass?
I read a physicist Brian Greene book several years ago (I'm just a pop physicist/quantum etc person 😉) but he said if the physical laws of the universe weren't as they are nothing could develop, ie planets, stars, matter, whatever, it just couldn't happen. Stuff wouldn't work. 😊
@@cambranson Sure, but that doesn't answer if there actually could be other universes with different laws.
If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. But that doesn't mean there is a parallel universe in which my uncle is my aunt.
The fact that I can conceive of something doesn't make it possible, let alone real.
He thinks “logic” is when you think real hard.
Like Trumpers say "do your own research" nonsense, when they don't mean doing real research AT ALL, but finding someone who says what they already believe (no matter how irrational and lacking any evidence).
I’ve never heard anyone get so elegantly destroyed.
as they think God is working in them !! 🤗😜 😵
As an atheist, I accept that circumstances are such that life exists. End of story.
Anthony notes these circumstances and sees the vastness of space, considers the unquantifiable number of stars and planets and black holes and concludes that he is the reason for it all.
There's probably a word for that...
Life exists....therefore theism. Just on that alone you shoulda voted theism.
I work in a science field. I had to tell someone who was getting conspiratorial that most of us scientists are just out here trying to do our jobs. We’re not part of some secret group trying to dupe the public.
Sounds like something a part of some secret group trying to dupe the public would say.
You and millions of scientists don’t get an extra paycheck from a super secret group in return for suppressing the truth?
But they "know", like flat earthers "know" NASA is just a huge conspiracy to make people think the earth is (roughly) round. I swear, I thought more clearly than that, routinely, at age 10, and MUCH MUCH more clearly than that by age 12.
The caller displays typical symptoms of cognitive bias. He says science only proves god. but when confronted with the information scientists are becoming more and more atheists, he puts a new layer of conspiratorial pseudo-explanation instead of accepting the most logical conclusion.
Scientists are not "vecoming more and more atheist"--as if that were even relevant😅
@@James-ll3jb I didn't make a typo like you suggested. Anyway, what I meant is that a vast majority of scientists in the US are atheists. The exact number varies, depending on the study, but for instance, 93% of members of the National Academy of Sciences are agnostic or atheist. I made the comment in the context of the conversation because it was referred during the call.
Scientists are becoming more and more atheists because theists are being fired. Cause dictates explanation.
Scientists are becoming more and more atheists because theists are being fired.
@@pavel9652 Yea they get fired if they don't follow the crowd for atheism.
These clips on the off days for shows are getting better and better!
The way he didn't even listen to the question is a clear indication how religious people live their whole life.
That reminds me VERY MUCH of SO MANY dumb people / students doing quizzes on UA-cam and showing they apparently paid NO attention throughout their schooling. They don't even listen to the question, and often clearly are answering a different question quite often.
Why do they see a singularity as nothing?
If it were nothing it wouldn’t be a singularity.
The singularity is everything.
Well a singularity is any hypothetical point mass with infinite density, but if you are talking about the cosmological model then "the singularity" would be everything ig
@@asagoldsmith3328
The singularity in question.
@@powbobs I see. Yeah I have had theists get really mad at me when I ask them to define nothing and ask further questions about it. They just want it to be a part of whatever premise of their crappy argument and not explore any more.
And if you talk about nothing, you must be speaking of something.
@@asagoldsmith3328
Because they have no intellectual curiosity.
Anthony says "I don't believe in the big bang, because everything can't come from nothing.
Also Anthony "I believe in God, because he spoke everything into existence from nothing." (Anthony didn't say it, but it is clearly what he believes.)
And who spoke God into existence? If something can't come from nothing then something had to create this God also, you can't just claim he's eternal since it goes against things coming from nothing.
Ever notice that many people who overuse the word 'logic' don't actually seem to know what that word means?
Arguing Thor vs Hulk is never a waste of time, Matt!
Superman or Batman with prep squash both! 😜
@@Brockleheezy I think you're basing that on faith. Hah!
False. Thor loses. Arguing otherwise is a waste of time. Thor is a puny God. Checkmate theists.
Hulk SMASH. Obvsly.
@antinatalope it depends on whether you include the second Superman/Spider-Man Team Up (featuring Batman and the Hulk) as part of the holy canon.
in all of my research in biology, i have not found anything relating to a god
Because "tHeY" keep it secret from you!
(VERY large /s)
98% of the royal academy of scientists are atheist
You're hiding the truth! 🙄 LOL
But you are hiding the truth with your evolutionary theory 😡🤬😠😤😪🙄😐🫤😑😶🫥
You quite obviously are one of "them"!
2 observations:
1) It sounds like a person sees him/herself as a victim of one thing or another by the way the word "me" is spoken. That's just something I've noticed over the years.
2) When Matt makes a point and the caller responds by saying, "right", it sounds to me like they're just dismissing everything Matt said by appearing to be in agreement when Matt's message probably wasn't even heard because the caller is likely anxious to get their next thought aired.
"The big bang says everything came from nothing--"
"No it doesnt"
Flabberghasted, misinformed, caller spends the next 5 mins trying to cling to arguing against a point that nobody made
I'm almost as flabbergasted that he knew the big bang and evolution aren't the same thing. The number of times reality deniers say evolution claims everything exploded from nothing....
Well, if you are an atheist, you have to believe one of two impossibilities. Either it came from nothing, or its eternal. Neither is viable.
@@Aroniyahu If you're a theist you believe the same thing, just in a dumber more roundabout way. God is either eternal or came from nothing. You're ultimately left with the EXACT same problem, you've just added an extra layer of abstraction that wasn't needed.
@@Crystan Except an all powerful universe that designs everything including its own laws.....is unrealistically MAGICAL. Sky Daddy is much more realistic of the two options.
@@Aroniyahuexactly what you say your god is.
Literally why do these people never think about the reverse. Who created the gods, where did they come from.
Its just asinine
He asks from atheist to explanation why lightspeed is the way that it, but apparently has he asked god the same?
If it was the only way, what is limiting that god to it.
I imagine a guy marching around the center of a town or city, holding a big sign that says "2 + 2!" when most normal people are like "4".
The titans?
They will just use the special pleading fallacy. Everything needs a cause except my special friend.
We must remember that the people who call-in are a self-selecting group so they likely share similar traits such as:
- They've never had their ideas directly challenged
- They severely misunderstand the opposing position
This leads to a overabundance of confidence in their position to the point that they're willing to challenge people who have been shooting down similar nonsense for decades.
I am part of this conspiracy. Only last week I had to hide God in the cupboard where I keep the test tubes and litmus papers. Appearance? Mustache, about 6'2".
I have yet to see any apologists (or theists using apologetics talking points) that haven't strawmanned atheism to a severe degree.
I have yet to see any atheists that disbelieve on the merits of science, rather than on the merits of their emotion and heart's desire for God to not exist.
Yes Aron, because emotions are a very reliable method for knowing truth. I just watched a video of people in more than 10 different religions expressing the convictions of emotions they had that revealed that their religion is true. I’m joining them all now because you just confirmed emotions are reliable! Thanks!
@@jestes7 I literally said the opposite of what you said I confirmed.
@@jestes7 Thank you for being an example of atheistic behavior.
@@jestes7 Well y'all certainly aren't believing on the basis of the evidence, because the evidence points to ID.
So scientists are more powerful than God.
I kinda agree with that actually lol.
Just not in the way the caller intends. Lol.
God, can do everything man can't do but nothing that man can do.
They certainly argue more clearly than God who remains profoundly mute, despite supposedly being omniscient and omnipotent.
It never ceases to amaze me how callers, who appear to have some intelligence, can’t understand when each of their points is refuted by logic, and The caller is unable to grasp that fact and admit that they are wrong.
What mechanism would generate a god from nothing? That question can only be solved or answered thru special pleading, bald assertion, or circular reasoning.
I will keep saying this:
Time does not exist independent of space. Space-time is a single unit.
At all points in time, space and everything in it exists. The concept of "before the universe" is physically meaningless.
It is not the case that the universe didn't exist at one point in time and then did exist at a later point in time.
Whether the set of "points in time" is infinite in duration or not is irrelevant.
I once had somebody try to tell me that an eternal universe isn't possible because on an infinite timescale, the chances of me existing right now are infinitely small.
Of course, he lacked an understanding of basic probability because the chances of me existing right now are actually 100%... seeing as I DO exist right now! On an infinite timescale in the massive universe, my existence in it may be the most fleeting moment for the most infinitesimal speck in a vast ocean, but as the speck experiencing it the relative scale of it is unimportant to the fact of my actual existence.
Not only that, but he also tried to argue that Heaven and Hell were eternal. So I went on to point out that then Heaven and Hell suffer from the same issue he claimed the universe does. By his understanding of why the universe couldn't be eternal, he had effectively proven that Heaven and Hell couldn't even exist, and neither could the very concept of eternal souls. He didn't like that very much...
@@Jedi_Vigilante we are obligated to accept that we, and the reality we inhabit exist. Heaven and Hell are not only logical absurdities, there is not a scintilla if observational evidence supporting the claim that such places are even possible.
Our universe exists from T=0 to T=infinity (probably). What exists at T= -1? I think there's value in questioning what caused the big bang, and what greater structure might exist beyond our spacetime. If there is no time outside of our spacetime, how would causation even work? How we would ever actually answer these questions scientifically, I have no idea.
@@Kinoko314 There are multiple hypotheses, many more than I have studied:
Time may extend infinitely backward - in which case there is no "beginning of time"
Time may be cyclic - in which case there is no "beginning of time".
Hawing's "boundary-less universe" hypothesis may be correct - in which case there is no "beginning of time".
At the moment we don't know, we may never know. None of this makes the conclusion "therefore God must have done it" correct.
Thanks!
I don't understand science therefore I'll call up some non-scientist atheists so we can discuss science and that'll prove gawd.
That's a pretty good summation.
"Seems to follow", "makes more sense to me", "I find it more probable".... listen for statements like those because it usual means someone wants to equivocate or hand wave from A to C and treat their intuition as authoritative without support
"If you modify the constants, the universe would be different"
And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike
The irrational idea that you can know Anything about something compared to someone that studied it day in and day out is insane. Ok ig i dont need college, ill just pretend i know exactly how physics works or that it doesnt exist. Im gonna reinvent the wheel or assume the wheel doesnt exist. Im gonna lecture a baker on how to bake cookies even tho ive never baked any.
That's who whole anti-science movement. Theists are MUCH of that, but not all of it.
Matter CAN be destroyed, and CAN be created. It's energy that can't be destroyed or created. When matter is destroyed, it becomes energy.
Matter isn’t destroyed, it’s transformed into energy. Energy can be transformed into matter. Matter is just energy in a different state. Energy is just matter in another state.
@@Johnnye-r6r E = mc^2
Matt just gives up at 13:45 when Anthony admits he didn't know the question he was supposed to be addressing.
Most obtuse caller ever.
Shockingly, it wasn’t.
@@Leith_Crowther- what were his angle measurements? 😂
@@alisonjones8861He certainly wasn’t right.
His credulous ignorance was quite acute.
@@suburban-vampire 🤣🤣🤣anyone else?!?
Anthony can be summarized thus: "I can't understand so many deep things, so logically, there must be a magic man. But let me just claim a bunch of stuff with no foundation and say it's logical."
I’d change that to “I can’t understand deep things which means nobody else can either. So my guess is as good as theirs”
The atheist can be summarized thus: "I can't understand so many deep things, so logically, there must not be a god. Because I reeeeeally don't want him to exist."
"My god exists, so listen to what I say and do what I tell you and give me money."
Sadly that keeps working, even after atrocities like the Spanish Inquisition.
My experience is people who question big bang don't know what the theory says. Usually, I ask them to describe what big bang is, as they understand it, and almost never get an answer. It seems they think it says that "something came out of nothing", but in reality it is about the expansion and has been proven beyond doubt.
Yes, that is generally what Christians believe. That is what I believed, too, when I was a Christian. And it is because that is what they tell you in the Christian community, and they vilified it to the point that even bringing it up in conversation is ridiculous.
A guy said to me that the Big Bang was the « random collision of rocks » 😂.
And I would had that they do the same thing with evolution and abiogenesis. They always mix these theories when they are not mutually exclusive !
@@aymerick_ If someone criticises a scientific theory, especially in ignorant way, ask them to describe or explain it to you as they understand it. Then you can correct the mistakes. Such question, however, tends to shut down conversations. They won't respond or get offended, their ego gets bruised and exposes even to themselves they don't know what they are talking about, etc. The conversation gets quickly super dumb, but it can be rewarding in a peculiar way. You can practice sharp responses as well ;)
They get their definition of the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution from their preachers and don't have a clue what they really are.
He didn't sound stupid, but he sure did talk stupid.
The Dunning Kruger Effect.
“Correct me if I’m wrong.” Clearly. Absolutely. Demonstrably. You are wrong
Anthony is another perfect embodiment in a long list of other examples that religion loves the misinformed.
I'm amazed that anyone in the scientific community can get any real work done, what with all of the plots and conspiracies they're supposed to be involved with according to people like this caller.
The fine tuning argument is the equivilent of saying that if PI was not 3.14 then circles could not exist, therefore there must be a god that set PI to 3.14. PI does not allow circles to exist it DESCRIBES them. In terms of the constants this guy is talking about, they don't even describe the universe, they describe our current best model of the universe, so if they were different, the universe would not be different, our model of the universe would be different (and wrong).
Why does matter have to be "designed"? Who says? Why does a "designer" NEED to be there?
How else is the dipper of shits supposed to sneak god in?
Make me feel important 🥹
@@TeaMollie11 I LOVE YOU MOLLIE!!! YOU. WILL. BE. MINE! No tea though...
Too much? 😂
@@edvfya9922 Thanks 😀
Why does it have to be design when what we see is machinery at the microbiological level? Why does machinery have to be designed? It sounds like you desire for design to not be the case.
If I can't explain something it obviously was the result of a leprechauns burp. They are so cute!!! Tiny little burps. Later we will learn the gaps in our knowledge are the result of hiccups, not burps. Then comes the 17 year hicc-burp war.
It’s amazing that the callers that know the least never say, “ I don’t know.” Religion has erased that sentence from their minds.
They have replaced it with “just because”..
To hide evidence, the evidence needs to exist. One cannot hide evidence, if you cannot find it. Where is this evidence that cannot be found?
They couldn't hide the fact that a sitting president was getting bj's in the oval office from an intern but they can hide a god? LOL
I've always believed in the puddle theory. (Although It must have a better name) that if the constants weren't as they are to support the universe as it is or at least to support life, then no one would be around to question those constants. And in every place (if other places existed) that have constants that don't support life, no one is around to complain.
I think the better name is “Anthropic principle”
Yes!!
@@pansepot1490 puddle principle sounds better. Additional alliteration.
"I don't understand it, therefore it's impossible."
This is the problem with theists - fear mixed with arrogance. They can't bear to not know, to admit they don't know... so they just shut down. It's pathetic.
Anthony was trying to use the "crisis in cosmology" as an argument against the Big Bang. There is an inconsistency in the measured age of the universe, depending on the method used to estimate it. What he does not say is that the inconsistency is so small that only professional cosmologists have any need to address it. Anthony is trying to give a lecture on cosmology while not even having college-level knowledge of cosmology, but he is so arrogant that he wants to tell others that he is a world-class cosmologist.
Caller: The physical constants could be different.
Host: How could that be demonstrated?
If the constants didn't exist in such a way for a universe that could support life, then no one would be around to complain about the constants not being perfect to support life. Thus only in a universe where life exists could there be anyone to wonder why the constants aren't what they are.
@@michaelcolfin8464: True. But that says NOTHING about what the constants could be, which ones could exist, etc. in other universes (which we lack the capacity to do actual science on).
@@rogergeyer9851 I don't see your point. The odds of our universe existing is one, since we know it exists. We have no information about any other universe or any other constants. But that doesn't matter, the only universe we care about is our own.
This dude sounded like he was going to argue scientifically yet he has no knowledge of science. I dont think he thought this through.
Fascinating call.
Frank started as a mildly-confused but pleasant christian and ended up as a rabid conspirationist.
What is that last word?
And who’s Frank? 🤪
@@cindyc8335
Nobody worth paying attention to.
@@powbobs I'm glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of language plasticity. You are welcome.
Once you get into discussing science, that's sadly common with religious folks trying to defend their beliefs.
I have a PhD in elementary particle physics, so I must be in on the conspiracy. Where are my ShillBux?
This caller is a clown. I don't even take him seriously enough to respond to. You gotta love the people who think they are smarter and more honest than all the world's scholars. They never, ever are. Not either.
It seems that people who have never earned an advanced degree have no idea what a hard slog that is, and how it changes your understanding of your area of study. They have a superficial understanding (at best) of a subject and they have no idea how much deeper it goes. I wonder if they think scholars just make sh*t up. This caller seems to fit this description. Beyond frustrating.
Yup! This!
Seems to me that people who have not studied at the university level think that we spend all our time memorizing shit from books the way we all did in elementary school. Actually, we spend most of our time learning how to find stuff out for ourselves.
How was the eyes wide shut party? It sounds great.
soros should be sending you that check soon. or disney or whoever “they” are
@@RafaelGarcia-jb3me - If you're talking to me, do you think I care? Philosophy is words. Physics has evidence. Words by themselves mean nothing without tangible reproducible evidence.
Hi, God here. These evil scientists keep hiding the best evidence for my existence!
I wish I could do something about it!
Oh, well...
Thank myself I have Anthony!
29:36 Jimmy's priceless face 😂
That is def a meme-worthy face😂😂
The caller sounded like he had some honest (if wrong) arguments for god, then it comes out that he was a total conspiracy theorist !
He shoulda said that at the start.
"Are you a -cop- flerfer? If you are, you have to tell me."
"Misunderstanding of physics can't be used as an argument for God" Priceless! This is the very thing used as an argument against God - "God of the gaps".
Matt's final point is what I was hoping he'd hammer on - if the findings of science are a conspiracy to hide gods, why are you using the false/misleading findings of science to prove god/s?
Anthony doesn't have even the slightest clue how much he misunderstands or just doesn't know about these science topics. And clearly he doesn't actually care. He's a motivated reasoner at best.
I see the problem as organized religion mislead their congregation about what atheism actually is. So It’s easy to dismiss atheism because they don’t understand it.
I will never understand how theists deny something coming from nothing while at the same time insisting the “god” has existed forever! How does god come from nothing?
Because the bible says, "GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. THE BEGINNING AND THE END." LMFAO 😂 That's how deeply embedded this stuff gets into people's minds. Since this collectively agreed upon holy book is declared the authoritative sponsor of said position these folks trust it and won't question this claim beyond what the bible says because so many people believe it and worship it and therefore it has created this illusion, or should I say delusion, that it's actually true and doesn't deserve the critical scrutiny that athiests put forward. It's a self reinforcing conspiracy theory essentially. Circular logic at its finest.
Not just did God come from nothing, he also made everything that exist from nothing by speaking it into existence.
@@pinky9440Aaaaaaand abracadabra let there be light !!!!!!
@aymerick_ Yes exactly. So they say we believe everything comes from nothing, yet the Christians believe exactly that!
Their argument is God is eternal, he always was and always is. He didn’t come from nothing if he’s always existed. Just some mental gymnastics to fit their agenda. If God is eternal then so can the universe be, thus not needing a God to be the creator.
On behalf of the state of Virginia, I apologize for this caller lol
There is also Virginia, the caller from Virginia, who is also something else.
“Who do you think made that beautiful tree over there?” lol clown
Did Anthony actually follow up and give a call?
Of course not.
@@powbobshe does
@@sh4577
Link?
What if pi was different? Totally ridiculous.
Then is wasn't a circle to begin with.
Don't go messing with pi - I've already memorized the first 9 digits!
On Feb. 6, 1897, Indiana's state representatives voted to declare 3.2 the legal value of pi.
Hulk once punched a planet In half. But Thors got better hair. So it's a toss up I think. Any man's game
Zeus trumps them all.
That's quite a pathetic god if its existence can be hidden just like that.
And how pissed is he? He keeps trying to prove he exists but the darn scientists won't share that proof!
Where do they find all these people who seem intelligent but never understand they have lost?
In my many years of studying and working in the field of science, never once have I heard - well it more or less follows…
Sorry, but beauty of science is that it never depends on common knowledge or logical assumptions. Much of science is quite counter intuitive. Like how heavy things fall at the exact same rate as lighter ones.
Why did Anthony’s god not explain to him (via his prayers to his god) how the universe came into existence. Anthony says he believes in a god, which god?
Someone accidentally spills a bag of bird seed on an old parking lot. Most of the seeds are eventually eaten by wild birds or blown away by the wind. However, a few seeds slip through some cracks in the pavement and begin to sprout. Must be all part of God's perfect plan.
Arguing about Thor and Hulk would have been a *great* use of time actually. My opinion? Thor wins a friendly match, but hulk wins in a genuine death match.
Hulk wins because Hulk gets stronger when he is losing. Thor never gets stronger. Also, there aren't any friendly matches with Hulk as he is always angry. Thor can only beat Hulk if he attacks Bruce Banner and kills him before BB knows he is dead.
Thor could obviously not kill Hulk. At best he could neutralize him. Only one way comes to mind. Thor could carry him to somewhere in deep space and just leave him there. Hulk has no means of propulsion so he remains there forever. Thor has his little hammer to get where he needs to go. Sorry nerds.
@@Jo-JoandTaffy Thor does not fly. Superman can do that, but superman is DC. Thor can't do to the Hulk what the Hulk did to Loki. Certainly, Thor can't hold Hulk in one hand and twirl his hammer in the other. Ironman has a better chance of doing what you propose than Thor.
Hulk can smash but does Hulk ever really win? Hulk seems sad and smashes bad but Hulk not better for it.
@@hayuseen6683 All villians are of 'equal' caliber when facing Hulk or it wouldn't be fun to read. No villain can be totally defeated or they couldn't come back in a subsequent episode. The fact is Hulk is stronger than Thor and can withstand the force of Thor's hammer. Thus, Hulk would win.
Captain America can hold out against Hulk's fury with his shield, but can't hurt Hulk or make him stop.
If Hulk ever got a hold of Ironman, he would literally rip him apart.
Bibles and churches, that's what Gwad is responsible for, stuff that people did. Oh, and wars and the Spanish inquisition. Bet you didn't expect that.🤭
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition.... 😂