Alleged Christian Psychic Accuses US of Dishonesty?! Matt Dillahunty & Forrest Valkai
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Gina shares how she started occasionally getting divine messages, visions, and insights around future events 6 years ago despite having a nominal Catholic upbringing. She feels her gifts help guide family and others spiritually. She recounts a few examples like foretelling her uncle's date of death and a military base lockdown. Hosts Matt and Forrest ask probing questions about validating details, frequency, tracking accuracy, and purpose. They point out flaws in her logic and lack of ruling out other explanations. Tension escalates when Matt proposes asking God for a revelation for them and Gina laughs doubting they would honestly believe it. Matt expresses anger and frustration at her lack of proof and accusations against their motives before ending the difficult exchange.
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One thing I've learned from watching this content for years is we NEVER need your background.
Lmao truuuuuuu
Seriously what is up with that? Why do so many of these callers give unnecessary background information of themselves and qastes time giving completely unrelated information?
@@4yinyang I'd guess it comes from the idea of "selling yourself", depending on where you are at least; it's like answering who you are during a job interview.
Because people are innately self-centred, and people, particularly illogical and superstitious people like these, have the mistaken impression that their story is completely unique and all the endless details and anecdotes are not only unique, but crucial to the story and crucial to why they believe what they believe.
@@cosmicmuffin322 Exactly. Well said 😉
"Can I tell you my background? It's real quick." It's never actually quick, is it? Lol
Nope
Lol, it's like when older people are telling you something and they say "to make a long story short" and they still tell you the long version
Or useful
It was like seven minutes ffs. I'm glad I'm watching it now a voice it told me she was going to waffle on, so i just hit fast forward until i saw matts mouth move.
@@rumple7551 😂
why can’t these callers GET STRAIGHT TO THE POINT instead of qualifying their positions with ALL these USELESS incidental crap?
It's like pyramid scheme or MLM salesmen - they try to pluck at your heartstrings to appeal to your emotions so you forget to use reason when listening.
Ie emotional manipulation. Also see "you're rude (or a hater) for doubting you made me cry."
I think they are just nervous
"Tell us what you believe and why."
"Well, I was born on a stormy night in 1894..." 🙄
Yeah their is a list of things that feel like every caller has to do.
They have to ask “can you hear me” at the start of the call.
They have to say “can I speak now?” When Matt unmutes them
They have to not answer Matt’s question the first 8 times he asks it of until he hangs up on you, which ever comes first
@@SmileyHappy1000what are you on about? What phenomenon? Do you actually believe psychich powers are real in some form? If so, how and why? What truth do you think humans haven't learned?
I'm sorry for the bombardment of questions but I just don't see the point of your comment and I'm trying to understand.
I'm not a psychic, but I'll make a prediction: listening to this call is a massive waste of time for everyone.
Yes. That lady is crazy.
Shit you are psychic 🔮 😳
Liar, you nailed it so you clearly are psychic 😅 no other way to predict anything obviously
God must have told you that ;-)
Call me a sexist agist antitheist, but somehow all calls of what sound like middle aged women that refer to the Bible are like this.
So sad that religion wastes so much otherwise potentially fine wife material.
😉
She somehow believed that her cool story about Biblical psychic powers would land, but also that any attempt at proving they're real would not? That's truly next-level reasoning.
thats coz she's delusional af🙄
I have certain prediction that is usually correct, but I never call it as psychic! It's just by common sense that I know this company/person is going to be famous or not, good or bad, etc.
@@sootuckchoong7077 My girlfriend was good at that sort of thing. For example she picked out Graham Norton when he was just playing a small part in some stupid late night programme. She used to watch Business News and say things that months to years later the "experts" would start saying.
She could have made a lot of money if she had tried.
That is Christian reasoning.
Typical believer. That's why we call them that instead of "questioners".
I love the “ask your god what you should say to us” question.
Morgan Freeman Voice: and they never called again
And when they do call back, whatever their "god" told them to say doesn't land at all and ends in complete failure lol.
Ironically Morgan freeman has played god in a movie 😂😂
@@k45207 lolol
@kam4520 I'm pretty sure Lauren knows, and that's why she used him in the scenario.
@@Jenny_Guerrier how would I know that lol Morgan freeman also narrates amazingly he could of just been narrating
Can you imagine living with this person and having to hear her long rambling meaningless stories day after day?
Wouldn't be so bad. You could tell her to get to the damn point, or leave.
lots of people do it - it's called marriage
Yup, my mom is like that but at least she makes them entertaining lol
Everyone with "spiritual" family members screaming rn
I don't need to imagine.
It never ceases to gobsmack me when grown adults genuinely think that they have magic powers.
Haha.. funniest thing I've read. "Grown Adult."
My experience? 90% of "adults" out there are just big children.
AVADA KEDAVRA
Lmao. Same. On the contrary, and having nothing to do with religion, I’m an electrician. The amount of people who believe that Electricity is magic blows my mind. Let alone what they think about a God. We’re doomed
yes. it gives me a very very unclean feeling. like where the fuck am i ?
@@spidermonkey7280 I personally think electricity is magic, but in the colloquial "holy shit that's mind blowing" sense. I don't think that electricity is supernatural, but it is pretty amazing how it works on a fundamental level. I saw some stuff recently talking about how the energry in electricity is actually contained within the electrical fields surrounding a wire and not the wire itself. Physics is so weird and amazing.
I wish I'd gone to school for science when I was younger.
I bought some milk a few weeks ago, and one day I felt that the milk might have spoiled. I opened it up and it had TURNED! And the “best by” date confirmed it! How did the milk producers know a future event I experienced?!? /s
It's a miracle and God exists surely, how else do you explain it? 🤔
FAKE STORY! Dairy products including milk have a "sell by" date, not a best buy date. dairy is volitile and is only guaranteed by stores if it is unopened on their shelf by the date
You blew my mind. You must be psychic!!!
😅😅
Some people say it's because the manufacturers know how much bacteria is allowed in the milk, and the rate of growth, plus product testing. I say the person who stamps those dates on there has psychic powers. Prove me wrong.
Anytime somebody says that God has a message that they are supposed to tell you, it should immediately raise red flags, because you have to wonder why God needs a middleman to get his message across. Why doesn't he just talk to people directly?
Religion is only as perfect as the people behind it, and people ain't (used intentionally) perfect. One of my biggest questions while being an active church member was the very topic you just covered. The people who inhabited the jungles on some random mountainous region of Papua New Guinea sure were screwed if they had to wait for the sound of sandals to step foot in their villages.
Exmormon here, it’s because (in the case of Mormonism and ancient Judaism) the prophet is the only one that can know gods secrets for the whole earth.
@@Goobersnobber47 And how am i suppose to know that, becasue the prophet said so? /s.
There would be no profit in it for the prophets if God did his own talking and everyone knows that God is a lazy shite wanting prophets to do his work for him.
@@Julian0101 therein lies the rub
Once again, forever grateful to have such an amazing educator as Forrest here in OK.
He's such an ambitious smart young man.
How I wish I was that smart and charismatic. He is an inspiration. 😊
As a native New Mexican, I feel the need to apologize for people like this.
I miss the great food. The general moron populace, not so much
No worries. We have our share up here in the Seattle area
As a native human, I feel the need to apologize for people like this, :)
Not your fault really!!!
As a carbon-based life form, I’m partly responsible for this.
If I had those powers, I would definitely write shit down because I'd want to be able to say, "look! I wrote this exact event down 2 weeks ago!!"
And mind you, according to Gina these premonitions have been going on about SIX YEARS and after all this time some atheist has to point out that you haven't bothered to check yourself by writing stuff down and count the number of misses. Holy crap what a delusion.
Even my “experiences” as a 13 yo were written down. They were right predictions but of course a 13 yo can predict dad going to jail if he’s asking her for legal advice
Protip: Just write down the ones that come true, or better yet, write things down after they happen, and just backdate them, that'll fill up your journal.
Yeah but to be fair, that's all ANY prophet has ever achieved. Telling me what happened last week is of no value to me. I need to know, with specific details, what's going to happen TOMORROW. Prophecy only actually works in one direction, past successes mean literally nothing. I could be dead wrong and the literal christian god is actually telling these people the future, but if I only get word of this in hindsight, then it has no value.
Exmuslim here. That part at the end that upset Matt (suggesting that even if she provided compelling evidence from god that he wouldn't believe) is the same garbage and offensive excuse that the Quran puts forward for it's failure to present compelling evidence for the truth of islam.
I am sure that leaving Islam was not easy for you with pressure all around. But diamonds were built under pressure. Welcome aboard.
I commend you for being able to leave Islam, I know it is much more difficult to deconvert from Islam as it is for Christians so I applaud your bravery and I wish you a happy life away from the great harm that organised religion inflicts.
That’s got to be difficult to leave something like that, especially when the scripture specifically permits your murder, and many murders have occurred around young individuals leaving Islam. I commend you for your bravery and your clearness of thought, I sincerely hope you find all the fulfilment you deserve! :)
Quran 7.146
Also Quran 2.6 As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not-they will never believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and their sight is covered. They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
Allah is also sealing people heart and mind and their sight so that they never discover truth and then tortures them for eternity for his fault the devil advocate lol.
Caller: “I’m magic and god talks to me”
Hosts: “so can you provide evidence?”
Caller:”what’s that?”
When she asked, "Can you still hear me?" I feel like she was really saying, "Aren't you impressed? Why aren't you acting amazed?"
@jah947 - OR...."Are you still awake?"
This is spot on. She's used to being interrupted eight times per thought with a 'hallelujah' or 'praise jesus' from her evangelical cohorts who reinforce and affirm her delusional belief in an all-knowing, all-powerful god that doesn't know everything, can't do anything, and has a remarkable inability to detect intellectual dishonesty.
If she is psychic why did she keep asking, shouldn't she have known?
She’s used to people walking away when she tells her stories
The manzier.
I hope the actual life of a person never depends on her ability to get her point across. This woman can drag out a story.
4:32 she works at aforce base.
"911 what's your emergency?"
"Okay, so I was raised Catholic..."
@@freakishuproar1168 Or, worse:
- "Is this 911, I need help!"
- "Sure, you indeed reached 911. I can tell you are distressed. That reminds me of something that once happened to me too. It might help for you to know that God is always watching over you. It was back in..."
@@landsgevaer xD "Four score and seven years ago..."
"God told me to talk to Red Jacket Guy and he started crying!" I'm actually convinced! What are the odds that she could POSSIBLY know the stranger's name was Red Jacket Guy? What a crazy name! There's no way she could have know this without god telling it to her.
🤣
What a concise and well-paced story
"Brevity is the soul of wit." - Jesus, probably
There should be a "dripping with sarcasm" emoji.
😂😂👍
This lady was confident enough to call and tell strangers that she had magical powers. It’s embarrassing to share this world with these “adults”
I was just talking to my partner about this. Like the fact that people believe these things is wild but not surprising - the fact that they're so confident they're willing to call in and try to convince a bunch of atheists?? That just blows my mind. Maybe it's partially my own social anxiety, but I cannot imagine calling in to a Christian talk show to try to convince them that they're wrong...
@@azuradawn5683 It just shows how unaware they are of themselfs and the world around them. They had a dream and take it for real without ever questioning it. The story where she approached that worker was full apologetics mode, trying to push her believe onto others. They are truly convinced of their position and as we learned without even a shred of doubt as those people don't even think about why they are convinced. As Forrest said, classic confirmation bias and probably a lot of post hoc explanations. So when XYZ happens they remember having a dream about XYZ which confirms they "knew" it beforehand.
When I close my eyes I see a blurry glowing blob in front of my eyes. Later at night I looked out in the sky and saw the moon glowing in the nightsky. Clearly I had a vision that I was going to see the moon... What else could it be ;)
You spelled idiot wrong. Lol.
@@JewelEzra No need to insult people :)
@@azuradawn5683 thats bc they're so uneducated and gullible that they think their stories r good evidence and skeptics would have a hard time dismissing them,without realizing that bc they r ignorant of reality and dont know how the universe around them works,turns out their stories make no sense and r easily debunked...but then they're surprised skeptics dont buy their BS lol🙄😒
Raised Catholic. Me too. Full of magic tricks there. It screwed up most of my family.
Well it’s tame as hell and EASY compared to many denominations…..my dad was a hell and brimstone Pentecostal apostolic minister…..we used to WISH so hard we were catholic…..easy 30min sermons!? YES! Ours were usually 4hrs long no joke. Had to go 4x A WEEK….on and on…..so yea….you had it super easy.
I was raised Catholic too but we didn't really practice or go to church, my fathers faith was more of a private thing and he kept his faith mostly to himself. He would buy me bible stories periodically but even at the age of say 5 or 6 I treated them like fictional stories and had no real belief in a God. Now I would describe myself as a materialist who does not believe in anything outside of the natural world.
"That religion thing in America is getting out of hand," said God adding, "Lighten up, folks, it's only a joke."
My parents were fanatical Catholics. My father when he was an apprentice refused to get a meat sandwich for a man in his job on a good Friday. Not only did he want to practice his faith he wanted to practice his faith for others who weren't interested.
I have been an atheist since I was 15 much to the discust of my parents.
They did not like any of my choices in life from my atheism to my career.
Mother would have loved me to be a priest and would have starved herse6 to pay for me in the seminary but the path I chose in construction she did not like and never gave me encouragement or support.
Living with a woman I was not married to nearly killed her. I was discusting and immoral yet the excuses she made for the Catholic Church hiding paedophiles and a Bishop and a priest having children out of wedlock were beyond logical reasoning.
Religion is the greatest mind poision ever invented.
A religion based around cannibalism will do that
Whenever a caller starts by telling a story of their lifes they looses most of credibility for me on that moment
_” I was born at a very young age”_
You just said "they looses."
Then you began to talk about someone immediately losing credibility.
@@snangoboman2111I think hyperfixating on a minor typo would be more indicative of losing credibility personally
@@snangoboman2111 Even if you don't attribute that "looses" to autocorrect or to the commenter's first language not being English, do you think that's equal to the caller saying they've got psychic god powers?
@@n0etic_f0x😂😂😂😂😂
This reminds me of when I go to a blog for a recipe. There's often a long anecdote or story before the thing I came for. I wish there had been a CTRL+F for this call.
I hate that. Shouldn't have 4 paragraphs of background to get to a receipe
@@mobrocket they don't post free recipes for fun, the more ads you have to scroll past to get to the recipe, the more exposure they can claim and they get more ad revenue.
@@joecoolioness6399
Not from me, I just search elsewhere
I bought milk because I was out of milk and then went home and put it in the fridge. The next day, when I woke up in the morning and went to pour milk into my cereal, I was astonished to see milk in my fridge and thanked god for the miracle. - Gina (or any theist really).
@@drg8687 i ordered steak at a restaurant and 20 minutes later the waiter brought me a steak!
Kudos to Matt & Forrest for sitting through that
For anyone else I recommend watching at 2x speed.
Thank you for saying that, saw 34 minutes and was like “this bitch gonna ramble”
Hosts: Why would God tell you to tell all these people they're on the wrong path? Why not just tell them directly?
Gina: Because I'm the MAIN CHARACTER, duh!
I'll take her story is full of crap for 100 Alex.
Or Potent Potables 😂 Have you seen the SNL sketch Ceblebrity Jeopardy?😂
100 ain't cheap enough!
How often do you have these?
caller: ummm maybe monthly
Cool when was the last one?
caller: (pausing) um-it was last week
What was it?
caller: (awkward silence) What was it?
Yes
caller: umm, okay, I was walking my dog....(pointless details) God said talk to that guy about me.
Are these people trolls trolling for the sake of trolling.
@@lonniec2116 How can it be, when we look through history, that atheist religion always take first place in genocide, torture, slavery and with islame on second place?
I have to admit that, in my book, Alex Trebek was the best character Will Farrell has played, certainly on "Saturday Night Live". Of course, what made those sketches was the way he interacted with the "contestants", particularly Sean Connery.
Listening to unaware delusional people is always painful.
You’re the delusional ones. Precognition is a real phenomenon
I know you talk about Theists but I can’t help to think of anyone but atheists especially the ones who believe in spontaneous mutants
@@andyferari6478 WTF are you talking about? Spontaneous mutants? Are you attempting to be critical of evolution?
@@DaveCM Explain to me what is abiogenesis again? And also while you’re at it are babies supposed to be born dead? Are you gonna blame that on evolution too? Or devolution more like you fool
@@andyferari6478🤡😂
"Active Shooter Predictions" in America? They practically happen every day.
average multiple times a day in fact. yeah, that is not a good example from her
Guys... I got a vision.
In 1-6 days... there will be a terrible loss.
Yes but they dont happen where you work every day
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad((
when you are committing confirmation bias you would have NO idea of the amount of times, if any, that one of your premonitions didn't come to fruition. of course she would have no clue, because the moment she "has a feeling something will happen" and it doesn't happen, her brain dumps it. This happens seamlessly without her even noticing it's happening.
Not to mention we are horrible at remembering things. We can swear up and down something happened prior to an event and yet the truth is often that is not the case. Memory is unreliable.
@@joecoolioness6399 mostly ya. Especially if you have some sort of an emotional attachment to something lol
Scammy psychics rely on the not remembering all the false things they "divine"
God is like an annoying rpg fetch quest that keeps you on a never-ending path to more questions "sorry Mario but your God is in another castle"
😂
_"A new sinner needs your help. I'll mark it on your map"_
This story is comic gold.... Went to Catholic Church my entire childhood.. never encouraged to read the bible........GOLD
Shh you were not supposed to catch that kinda like a expert fisherman never seeing or touching water in his life
I’m actually inclined to believe her on that point. In my experience, most Catholics I’ve known never cracked open a Bible until well into adulthood. So, at least in my experience, it’s not a rare thing
Raised athiest was encouraged to read the bible and any "holy" books what's her excuse for the ignorance?
As a person with psychosis, I can confirm that the voices do sometimes make predictions that are correct. However, I don't take that to mean something divine is involved. Sometimes dumb luck is just dumb luck.
One time the voices sent me a message that said in no unclear terms, "two failures, one success". Taking the sign, I bought 3 lottery tickets, and two were duds, and one was a winner. I ended up profiting $15. Coincidence? Yes, it literally was.
You should have bought the mega million tickets
Instinct is also a thing too. If your psychosis is being fed by your instincts, it's for sure going to right sometimes. We have gut feelings for a reason, we evolved to subconsciously recognize certain circumstances are a mess and we'd better act before the giant cat leaps out from the brush and eats us, you know?
Methinks eventually an AI chatbot will develop a cult following based on its seemingly prophetic capabilities
WHY is a PSYCHIC constantly asking if Matt and Forrest can still hear her, she's a psychic, wouldn't she KNOW if they can't hear her?
Because she is looking for attention and needs to know if they are listening to her.
Why do you have to make an appointment to see a psychic?
Best comment on the thread. Thank you!
She's clearly in need of attention and wanting people to believe she's "special".
Ditto!
I also was raised as a Roman Catholic. Went to a Catholic Primary School, then a Catholic Secondary School (High School). The RC's are not big users of the Bible. Meaning, they do not overly encourage people to read it. They prefer instead to have their Nuns, Priests and Bishops interpret the meaning of the scripters. You know, acting out as the Good Shepard and treating the people as sheep. Yes, some parts they read out in Church but generally they gave guidance themselves.
I was a very precious, curious child and quite advanced academically, reading the bible myself. Starting at around age 7 (Yes, the magical age of reason) I began reading Norse and Greek mythology and moved on to Egyptian gods, creation stories etc. By 10 I had also read the Jewish Tora and the Christian Bible. (I didn't get to the Quran until many years later)
At age 9 they threatened to expel me if I didn't stop challenging them on things I had read in the Bible.
How any "thinking, skeptical person" could ever believe all that nonsense just amazes me. Yes, there are things of beauty and wonderful parables. But also the most vile disgusting, immoral things I have ever read. Anti-women, anti gays. Calling for genocide, slavery etc. This is why even most Born Again Christians only read certain parts of the Bible and turn a blind eye to the rest.
This.
I was raised catholic but fortunately went to public school instead. I realized I had no choice in my beliefs as I was being indoctrinated like most people. What convinced me to deconvert was when an article was released detailing how the church was moving priests around to avoid prosecution for molesting children for decades. I had to ask myself "how I could trust that the priest in front of me was not one of these molesters"...I could not trust them or anyone.
You're right on the catholics use of the bible..it was only until later on that I learned that slavery was allowed in the Bible. They treat Christianity as this flowery religion but they just refuse to cover the other 90% of the Bible that shows just how horrifying it actually is.
Are you a theist now?
Yes spiritual gifts called delusional gibberish.
She needs mental health help.
When you have as many random thoughts as this person, a few are bound to resemble actual events.
"Can I tell you my background? It's real quick....sand" There! Fixed it for her!
Sounds like a whole bunch of coincidences, especially because they don't know if every single one is true or not
mostly confirmation bias and false/selective memory
Hence why Matt suggested she keep a journal of all her "predictions". It's a well known psychological effect known as "confirmation bias".
Monday: I predict I'm going to be in an accident today. I'm not, I forget about the prediction.
Tuesday: I predict I'm going to be in an accident today. I'm not, I forget about the prediction.
Wednesday: I predict I'm going to be in an accident today. I'm not, I forget about the prediction.
Thursday: I predict I'm going to be in an accident today. I'm in an accident. Wow, how could I have known that? I must have psychic powers!
Then I go around telling everyone about my Thursday story.
30 seconds in and I already wanted to scream with frustration
I did scream very loudly at my screen
Because that's how you have been programmed already.
I thought Forrest was gonna go Super Saiyan 22:21 when caller mentioned red jacket guy.😂
Sounds to me like after something happens she concocts a memory of a voice foreshadowing the event. A post-hoc rationalization.
That’s what I was thinking.
Who could possibly know that somebody in hospice was going to expire? That's some psychic power right there.
As an atheist who often tunes in on debates and call-shows hosted by Matt and/or Forest, I find this an odd one.
I thought the lady was a good listener and very cordial during this call, despite her strange convictions. However, around 29:37, she replies with "If god were to contact me and inform me about what to say to you, would you honestly believe..." after which she was immediately cut off by Matt. Her possibly being somewhat self-aware of her own 'abilities' being absurd and likely being convinced that Matt and Forest would not take her for her word as she's both a stranger and someone with a self-admittedly strange 'gift', I don't find it odd at all that she said what she said at the time code. It just sounds to me like she tried to say "Would you honestly believe me if I came forth with a message from god?" or something in that vain. Very weird how quickly Matt verbally cut her off and pushed her in front of a freight train before she could even finish her sentence, especially considering how eloquently the rest of the conversation was going.
Love ya Matt. The world needs more intellectual bruisers like you pushing back on religion, but I think you could've handled this conversation better.
Yea I think they got a little too heated with her at the end there. I know they hear the same arguments from the same types of people day in and day out so their fuse is understandably a little short on these things, but if they'd just let her finish her sentence they could have corrected what was clearly a misunderstanding of the experiment that they'd laid out for her.
What they posed to her was "If you're truly talking to god, he will be able to tell you what to tell us that will 100% with certainty convince us that god is real, leaving us with no room for doubt." So her responding with "but will you believe me?" does sound like she thinks they'll be dishonest even if she can provide irrefutable proof straight from god.
But it seemed to me that she heard their request as "give us some evidence god is real by telling us what he tells you to tell us" missing the part about how what god tells her would inherently have to be something they could not deny as proof of god's existence. So her response was more just meant to be "yea I could do that, but why would you believe that when you haven't believed anything else I'm saying".
If they hadn't immediately jumped down her throat on it, they could have re clarified that point and probably would have left the call on a much less hostile note.
No, it had nothing to do with whether or not Matt would take her "at her word". If she truly believed she was getting messages from god, and that the god giving her those messages was omniscient, then that god could give her a message for Matt that he would have no choice but to believe. Her response then would have been "ok, I'll give it a go." She might argue that god could choose not to give her such a message, or perversely give her one that would not convince Matt (why? reasons) but she would not hesitate to take up the challenge. The very fact that she doubted this, and chose to express that doubt by questioning the honesty of Matt's response to such a message, demonstrates that she does not truly believe what she was claiming, despite spending more than 30 minutes trying to say that she did.
Plus, she stated outright that she thought Matt would respond dishonestly, which is what caused Matt to finally lose what little patience he had left with her. There are three things that are guaranteed to trigger Matt, beyond fallacious reasoning, and that's claiming to know what he thinks, misrepresenting what he said, and especially suggesting he is dishonest. So no, not weird at all. She got backed into a corner regarding a test of her claims and her only defence, which she went to in a heartbeat, was to accuse the other party of lying, just as all flat earthers and young earth creationists do. You can handwave that away as her mis-speaking, but that doesn't square with her previous eloquence. She felt trapped, and responded accordingly.
I don't agree with this at all, because the statement wasn't self aware in the slightest. It was preposterously stupid. The WHOLE POINT is that an all-powerful being who can speak a universe into existence will NEVER __EVER__ need YOU to speak on his behalf about anything. EVER. E V E R. The very concept of prophecy in this scenario is a foofy game of telephone which makes god appear like an infant having fun. It's a joke for her to try and shame them into her position, which was precisely what she was up to. When her back was against the wall, when it was demonstrated she had no facts AT ALL, instead of being self aware and saying, at a minimum, "Maybe I need to reconsider some of this", she goes on a guilt-trip. No one, and I mean NO ONE should ever tolerate that infantile behavior. No, it's not cordial, it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for her, which is a horrid shame because she probably lacks the self awareness to be embarrassed for herself.
What zero media literacy does to a mf. She was castigating them as dishonest to cover for her complete inability to provide any justification whatsoever. It was a profoundly disrespectful and dishonest thing to do. The rest of the call was not going “eloquently” lmao such low standards you have apapraently
@@PeerAdderthanks for actually understanding what was being said
Very impressed with your tolerance and restraint🙌
I’m not. Maybe if Matt and Forrest wouldn’t jump down her throat and make assumptions on what she was gonna say (she said “but would you honestly-…) and they cut her off. I believe she was going to say “but would you honestly hear me out?” Not ‘honestly’ as in be truthful with her, but more as an expression to say “would you really take me seriously?” To which they could have simply replied “yes”
BTW I’m an atheist and think she’s probably delusional, but they REALLY jumped the gun with this. She didn’t deserve that.
@@spookish4167 been a while since I watched this video, but I'm pretty sure they let her ramble aimlessly for over 10 minutes without interrupting the nonsense. I highly doubt you're an atheist. And if you are, you should watch this channel a bit more often and you will see a pattern from these callers and their nonsensical arguments.
@@verng8864 that’s all completely irrelevant to what they thought he was gonna say. Weird for you to think I’m lying about being an atheist
@@spookish4167 I was forced into the Free Methodist cult as a child and have witnessed many times over Christian cultists lying to protect the cult
@@verng8864 cool, same here, still irrelevant
I predict that I'm going to go to bed, wake up, get my kids off to school, and work tomorrow. I wonder if that will happen?!?!
I'm reminded by this caller what James Randi used to say that most of those who took his challenge to demonstrate supernatural/psychic abilities. Randi used to talk about how they seemed to actually believe they had such powers, even after they failed their test.
I'm also reminded how most couldn't even get into the preliminary testing because they failed to provide a clear and coherent explanation of their "abilities" in the initial paperwork to apply.
I think it’s even worse that so many dumb people still believe in the “supernatural abilities” of these charlatans after they’ve been exposed.
10:51 did she really just say I’ll answer that question, then go right back to “painting a picture? 😂
I've known a few people like Gina who claimed to have the ability to communicate with their god, but were unwilling to demonstrate it to me in that moment.
Seconds into the call, "can you hear me?". so I guess those gifts don't work over the phone?
They didn't work for Miss Cleo, who made herself infamous for that kind of thing. They certainly won't work for Miss Gina, who decided one evening to call into a program.
Every so often I'm reminded that there are people whose brains work at the same pace as their mouths.
Why does it always take callers 30 mins to say something that could have been said in sixty second?
I can summarize this into 2-3 sentences.
They are speaking out into a void. They then want the void to confirm/agree with what they said. But they don’t want to void to challenge them.
I think MD hit it on the head at the end when he said she just wanted to feel special. It’s funny that something happened to me this morning that someone like this may have a different interpretation of.
Yesterday at the end of the work day I noticed my 30 ounce Yeti tumbler was not on my desk. Our client gave me this tumbler just before the end of the year and had it engraved. So when it was gone I checked the break room where I normally wash it, I checked the conference room, I checked my truck and never found it. While driving to work this morning I thought about another office I had been in yesterday and when I got to work, BINGO, there it was.
So I have 2 choices, either God gave me a revelation about where to find my overpriced cup, or I remembered it on my own. It depends on how special I think I am.
Their god is so busy helping people find their car keys (or Yeti tumbler:)) that he doesn't have time to heal babies of cancer.
@@joecoolioness6399Neither, it would seem, does he have time to stop his own people from engaging in a bloodthirsty, butcherous genocide.
My cousin is always telling me about my aunt that has joined what I call the "Denny's prophecy cult". It's her and a group of people that meet at Denny's and share their prophecies with each other. 🙃 I imagine she would enjoy speaking with this woman.
LOL Deut 18:10+ "There shall not be found among you ... anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium..." OMG if these people actually studied their Bible we'd have so many more atheists! Js
i was going to comment this myself. Psychic powers are exclusively condemned by yaweh, so if you have them you are an enemy of the christian god.
I'm surprised that Matt didn't mention that as well. I was waiting for it!
@@briannelson27 That's not good, Yahweh is a monster...killed the whole world one time, had his own son killed paifully wouldn't want to be his enemy lol
@@Eldritch-1 right? anything not in the book gets you nuked by yaweh. magic, ghosts, cryptids, healing crystals, essential oils, tarot, parker brothers ouiji boards, any kind of psychic powers, levitation, chakras, the list keeps going.
Every time I hear someone say "Long story short..." I have the same reflex that is in the movie Clue, "Too late!"
I just can't understand why Forrest didn't get her to ask god to give the answer to a scientific question and thus gain a Nobel prize.
Or lottery numbers
My ex is also Gina from New Mexico, and I panicked for a second between them introducing her and her beginning to talk, thinking that it was her and she'd gone completely off the deep end since we broke up.
Voice is completely different, it's not her.
I recommend watching at x1.5 speed
I did and it's still dragging on 😂
I recommend not listening at all
I tried. Still my ears hurt
@russellh9894 - I ALWAYS watch the videos at higher speed - 1.5 / 1.7 / 2.2 - whatever the particular video can take where I can still understand it. And if it's a video without sound, the "Enhancer for UA-cam" extension will let me go up to 5.0.
She didn't make any part of this long story short
do they ever ??
It is literally a South Park joke lmao
She's obviously being genuine and sincere. There's not need for these guys to be rude. It weakens all of our reputations.
@@CMA418what?, she's off her mind, going over to strangers and telling them god sent me, are you effing serious 😅😅😅
@@PaulBrown-uj5le Being off her mind and being sincere are not mutually exclusive, no?
Classic projection from this caller.
Unless you are able to record the prediction in advance or share it with a third-party before the event, this could easily be a form of deja vu -- where you are falsely remembering that you already knew something that had yet to happen.
I feel like there's a connection between her longwinded way of remembering things and her wishy-washy feeling that she predicted events. She seems to remember a load of superfluous details about things, dramatically increasing the likelihood that she'd think "I thought of that" when something happens.
I did rewind the tape. Gina claimed she asked "would you honestly believe me", and that is what she was saying before she got cut off. She still couldn't demonstrate her claims, but I think she got called out unfairly here. I really think Matt owes her an apology.
Matt can be a real asshole. After having watched a couple of shows I'm genuinely starting to wonder if he derives any enjoyment from interacting with callers
I'm convinced of the same thing. This is where Matt's need for vocal dominance, while certainly needed with some callers, becomes a real problem. She tries multiple times to correct him on what she meant but he keeps cutting her off, accuses her of gaslighting him and explains to her what she meant, which is something that would piss him off immensely if any caller did it to him (and rightly so).
Gina wasn't about to make a great point, but I don't believe she was questioning Matt's honesty. I agree that HE should rewind the tape and apologize, not her.
Had to scroll way too far down before finding anyone making this point
@@zjeraar Of course he does. He gets his kicks from bashing weaker intellectually endowed and putting them in their place. Beneath him. He often debates unfairly.
I think the situation here, is that there is a disconnect between gina’s experience with the “word from god” and what that means to matt.
Like in Matt’s mind, if she were to come back with the literal word of god, aka an insane revelation of sorts, he would HAVE TO believe her, so to question whether he would or not, means implying that he would lie about it, and pretend not to be convinced. Hence she’s saying that he’s dishonest.
But like, listen to what Gina has been told by god so far, she has been doing this for how many years? and she still goes up to people, like the roofer, being like “hey, so god wants me to say hi, and yeah i don’t know what else to say”.
Like that is the quality of “the word of god” in gina’s world, so obviously she is questioning wether matt would believe her or not, cause what god tells her is never very compelling
It always makes me sad that people stop to ask if they're listening when they're just listening quietly. Our society is soooo bad at listening that people think the call was disconnected when they're listening. Dang.
When I was in the 4th grade, I attended Chapel on Wheels, which was a during-school, optional religious education program offered in my district. I had never honestly been a believer and was really more interested in getting out of class for an hour once a week.
One day, after a lesson I've long since forgotten, the instructor was giving an illustration to the pupil who could guess closest to the number she was thinking of. Right before I was to make my guess, I had a vision of the girl who would be after me making her guess and winning the drawing, so I said the number I saw her saying. The instructor stopped the contest and handed me the drawing -- I had said the exact number. The girl I stole the answer from turned to me and said "*I* was going to say that!" and I didn't really know what to say in response.
It was a super strange event, getting a vision while in religious studies that allowed me to win a religious drawing. Didn't make me believe in god, though. 😂
Not only are you psychic and got it right, but you also got it wrong 😂
@markewing10 Is the me "getting it wrong" part not believing in god after my brain showed me that overproduced lucky guess of a vision?
Re-wound the tape:
29:17 - Cue Matt's explanation of why Gina should ask God what to say to convince him and Forrest
29:32 - Cue Gina's incredulous response: "Right but would you hooooonestly...let's pretend that happened, would you hooonestly...?"
"would you hooonestly believe..." was that part that got cut off.
Matt was wrong tho, she didn't doubt his honesty.
@@RYPA190 at 28:50 she says, after matt asked the question, ‘about you’.. which is Matt (and Forrest). Then then whole thing is repeated. Then the ‘would you honestly believe….’ thing started. It was about HIS / their honesty. Just rewind and listen.. it’s her doubting them to “hoooonestly believe” her.. so you are wrong.😮. She is doubting his honesty (to believe…).
@@Stevenafoe No I'm not wrong, Matt got angry and went on a rant about how she doubted that they would admit to believing in god (which is wrong, she didn't say that), he didn't even hear the "believe" part. And when she said "no, i said you wouldn't believe me", he got even angrier and said he can rewind the tape. In the sentence "would you honestly believe me?" , the word "honestly" doesn't have the same meaning as in "would you honestly admit to xyz.."
@@RYPA190saying "would you honestly" automatically, by definition is doubting in nature. At the very least it's an inquiry of the capacity for honesty. What follows after the word "honestly" wouldn't even matter. The beginning of the sentence structure aready pigeonholes the speaker into a doubtful position.
Skepticism requires honest argumentation. Theism does not require honest argumentation. Why is that?
This is because theism, by its very nature, is dishonest in the first place.
I have spiritual gifts as well. Sometimes I too have a type of precognition.
I call it pattern recognition.
I once impressed a friend with predicting the move the car in front of us was going to do. For me, it was obvious he was going to turn right in an alley depsite the fact he didn’t signal. But I already had at the time a lot of driving experience and observation of traffic behaviour as a passenger in the truck of my father.
That’s exactly that, pattern recognition.
I love spiritual gifts, that is when people give me whisky as a gift. 🥃 cheers 😉
INFJs are good at intuition that seems predictive. But they are excellent pattern perceivers.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire
@AtamMardes - If that is a true quote, it's a good one!
She's exactly the reason I refuse to talk or be friends with religious people.
I immediately don't trust anyone that is religious. I am not saying they are all bad people but its like they are tainted to me. And that does include my mom who I ADORE.
A person completely sucked into their own delusion meets people that are not willing to feed into her delusion.
oh i remember this call. Hilarious
Far too many people mistake their inner monologue for the voice of god. This lady is one of them.
If you truly believe god is personally giving you a massage about the future, it is indeed strange you didn’t at least write it down for yourself.
Better still, write it down, put it in an envelope and give it to someone else. So you can prove to that person you actually predicted the future.
I wish god would give me a massage. I need one.
Can I get a massage from God?
Joseph Smith did this and he founded his own religion, she should take this advice 😂
And god gave the message knowing she wasn't going to act on it. So why give it to her at all? utter nonsense, all of it.
@@paddycraig He did is mostly to be able to get more wives, power and money. Being a convicted fraudster this was a great way out. And these are the reasons for most of the fake messiahs. Like L. Ron Hubbard, David Koresh and Jim Jones.
Not sure if this is what she wants.
Most of these callers seem to be repeat offender trolls
Yeah but they are 100% being serious. She 100% believes that she has special powers.
21:44 'How often does your brain go awry?'
'Monthly'.
Oh Gina...
As a kid, i had a lot of 'prophetic' dreams and deja vu moments.
Thing is, we don't remember when we're wrong, because thats boring and happens all the time. We only remember when we're right because it's notable.
And turns out, quite a few of those dreams and experiences could be perfectly explained by my severe anxiety or my autism making me talk about the same thing a lot, or a hallucination or something.
The only one that I would call a huge coincidence is that i dreamt that an aunt died (pure darkness with the sound of my cousins sobbing and saying stuff like 'she's gone') and the next day I learned that she had passed, specifically she was hiding her breast cancer from us so no one in my family knew until she was already gone.
So that was a super wild experience, out of nowhere, but again I have depression and anxiety and several other family members including another aunt had by that point already passed away from cancer, so it very easily could have just been me stressing.
I had a guy come up to me and tell me that God told him to talk to me. I asked him what he was supposed to say, he said he didn't know, but he was just supposed to talk to me. I was basically like "cool story" and left.
I just made him a liar, and he didn't even know it.
Lol. I wonder what he'd think if you punched him hard in the face and said "god was wrong".
Gawd could stop wars and feed the starving, but it's too busy finding Gina's lost car keys. People are ***so*** desperate to believe anything, to have *some*thing to grasp onto. Sad.
She didn’t question your honesty, she did laugh nervously and say “well you wouldn’t believe me”
Which doesn't make sense since God would make it 100% convincing (as the hosts point out) but yes, Matt was 100% in the wrong there.
Here’s something that I think can contribute to this conversation. To start, my grandmother from my mom side used to be a high priestess of our Polynesian tribe, the Paiwan tribe. So she has this similar thing Gina has, but she keeps a diary. So she said that most of the visions or dreams of future events, whether bad or good don’t happen. However, there is an eerie thing she mentioned to me. She said that the “good” vision, like winning a lottery or knowing a family getting a job promotion usually doesn’t happen a lot, but the “bad” vision is the one that usually happened and would come with a crazy payment if she tells about it. She showed me she wrote about an accident that she prevented one of my cousin was going to be involved in, she had a side note at the bottom that even though she prevented my cousin from this “bad future” event, my cousin’s dad gone into a car accident that same day. She said she hated this that she stop telling people about these visions. It’s scary she said, so she always say future tellers usually are scams, because the good usually don’t happen and the bad fortune usually comes at a price if you say it out. She just believe if you know a future good thing will happen just let it happen and if a future bad thing will happen, she said let it happen too. It’s better to let the universe do its thing that science still can’t explain this gift she has. It gives me goosebumps every time I think back about this thing my grandma had. She passed away though, R.I.P.
At approximately 29:40, I was very surprised at the reaction, and it's got the criteria to be just that. It was almost stunning to see this from people who propose approaching things with calm reasoning.
A split-second after Gina expresses uncertainty about the response she'd get, there's an absolute flood of shut up, fuck you, and fuck this and fuck that. It was like watching a volcano explode. You actually ganged up and began attacking her.
You then went on to interpret what she said just about as extremely as possible, "yeah, but you lie". She never said you lie; she said she wasn't at all sure you'd believe her. What if that was actually about her, not you?
Is it possible she felt intellectually outclassed and was uncomfortable saying something she felt was a challenge to you? It can be very difficult, even for those with advanced degrees, to challenge people - especially to their faces - who are held to be in authority.
Is it possible she's been almost taught to be ready for rejection? That she's gotten blown off by a lot of people? I'm not talking at all about whether she was right or not, just about other possibilities than the one you guys immediately rushed to, that what she said was a personal attack.
I wonder what kind of open wounds might explain this. It really was something. Way outside what I expected based on an admittedly few other episodes I've seen you do.
I'm not trying to be smug, and I recognize what I'm going to suggest could come across that way. This could be an opportunity for you to take a step back and think about what it was was here that led you to an absolute certainty you were attacked. Also why your response to feeling attacked by someone you don'tknow, and don't have any deep connection with, was so extreme.
I'm not making this suggestion from a place of perceived moral or other superiority. I react and blow up sometimes myself. There's always something to learn.
I absolutely agree. While obviously delusional, Gina was being polite. Matt's response was pretty out of line, and he really needs to maybe consider stepping away from this for a bit of he is going to be so over the top with the aggro responses.
Iam really disappointed that not only did he react in this manner, but thought it was a good idea to memorialize it as a stand-alone video.
It happens fairly often. Matt is so far in hiss own head that he thinks he's always correct. Also every other host is afraid to challenge him. You can see in Forests face that it was not how he initially interpreted Gina's words, but he immediately goes with Matt's narrative anyway. I don't know if he is afraid to challenge Matt or he trust him that he interpreted her words better.
Matt loses his shit way too often and it makes him look bad. He is a smart guy and you can tell that from how he speaks, but then he loses his shit and it's like he loses credibility instantly. Like bro, you don't need to be smart and an asshole... you can be smart and just tell people the conversations over and you're hanging up. You don't need to swear and name call and say "fuck you Gina". That shit is crazy.
Yeah she's delusional but she didn't accuse them of lying she said they might not believe. It was really pretty bad.
@@scottshaw8864 Yep. Matt does this shit all the time too. It's pretty sad. But what's even more sad is that for a guy like Forrest... for his intelligence and ability to be very calm and relaxed to join in with Matt on this.
It appears to me that for a second, Forrest considers Gin'as point, but as soon as Matt piles on Gina, Forrest joins in.
Sad display guys. You want to spend your time convincing religious people of your beleifs, and this is how you treat them? You really think that's going to help them? No.
Why is it, that many theist callers ask if they can be heard, once or several times during their calls, and non religious callers rarely do.
Functional schizophrenia. Not all schizophrenics are completely non-functional, paranoid or violent. The caller needs to see a doctor and get evaluated.
As a Brit, I found Forrest's response to her "red jacket guy" story very interesting. It seems that parts of modern America are full of people who are very ready to accept almost anything, without question, in the name of religion. In the UK, approaching a random roofer at work and telling him that God has asked you to talk to him would result in a nervous smile, a quick departure and maybe even a call to the emergency services as there's probably a nut-job on the loose! Forrest put this whole episode in context very well - atheists have their work cut out, for sure!
0:18"can you hear me pretty well?" why? couldn't you have predicted that?
How do they have the patience for this bs?!?! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
In late 2001, I said to a friend, "Wouldn't it be funny if my father died in the first week of January next year?"
On the 7th January 2002, my father, having fallen from a ladder in the bathroom, hitting his head, and having been in hospital for a week, died.
My friend said to me, "Remind me to never piss you off"
For reference, my father was a violent malignant narcissist. I never mourned the bastard. To this day I regret attending his funeral.
I did not foresee his death. It was a coincidence, but it was a cool one
I don't know how the fuck you guys sat and listened to that so politely for so long, I'm giving up on trying to get through this at 6:58 and I only made it this long because I was away from the keyboard for a while.
While her claims of prophecy are obviously absurd, Gina absolutely said “would you honestly believe me?” rather than “would you be honest?” in regard to what angered Matt. This is one of the particularly off-putting things about him. That in instances like these, Matt is not at all concerned about truth (as he thought it would be a “waste of time” to check the tape) and only wants to do his usual rude “tough guy” routine. Which always just comes off pathetic.
This one kind of hurts because I genuinely don't think this caller meant to accuse the hosts of dishonesty. I think she just didn't understand that implication of questioning whether they would actually believe. Not everyone is good at thinking hypothetically, so she may not have fully grasped what would be implied by the hypothetical scenario of a god providing that "cheat code."
None of these psychic folks win the lottery. Isn't that odd? If you ARE that wouldn't you be rich? I would. The second i think i have magical powers i am totally getting rich.
I regularly see signs attached to lamposts and such for « psychic fairs ». Why do they need to advertise?
Matt was trying to "make sense" of Gina's irrationality - he concluded (correctly) that it just "didn't make sense", but ended up reacting in anger.
Gina WAS irrational - but in the psychiatric sense, NOT the philosophical.
Her struggle trying to rationalize her delusional thinking deserved understanding, not ire.
Wow. This hit close. It was like god put this video in front of me.
/S
Over the last few years my wife has had a renewed enthusiasm for religion...ahem...'scuse me...a relationship with god, and since then has joined a church who is likely feeding her with a bunch of nonsense about getting gifts from god. She had a dream about finding a dead bird that was shot, she held it, prayed for it and it got up and flew away because god healed it. In the morning, a bird flew into our patio door and was stunned. She held it, prayed, and the bird flew to the nearest perch mere feet away. She thought this was prophetic. God was sending her messages.
In reality, birds hit our windows all the time. To the point we put up reflective thingy's that are meant to deter them from flying into the glass. They still bang into them. We have even taken several to the nearest wildlife rescue/hospital who were in bad shape...where people fixed them, not god.
Obviously this is nothing profound. But apparently coincidence doesn't exist when you believe in god.
Imagine having ppl like that in the military....
What?
"And then and then and then" Omg people who talk a lot usually never have anything to actually say.
I went back. She didn't say lie. She just said wouldn't believe. Sorry, I love you Matt, but that was harsh.
He does that quite often. He'll get turned around on a call, which is easy to do, and insist people said things they didn't say. He gets real agry about people not listening, but he doesn't listen sometimes too. He's gotten a lot less conversational as he's gotten older.
@@BudgetFilmmaking Yeah I think he has gotten that so much that he assumed and went with it.
I love it when people say they were "raised a Catholic" and their parents were Catholic, then go on to explain that they've never read the bible and know nothing about it.
Catholics aren't big bible readers. I don't ever remember studying it in CCD at all. It's just not a focus.
@@stacygermano1775 I'm absolutely sure you NEVER heard ANYONE around you quoting the bible, summarizing the bible in their sermons/services or relaying the stories to you AT ALL! /s
"I don't have a real problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept."
- anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
She did actually say "would you honestly believe" just before Matt cut her off. I don't think she was trying insult their honesty but their ability to believe something that would be completely world changing to them.
Let’s pray that when she says works at a Air Force base she means like as a lunch lady or maybe a maintenance worker or janitor.