Lawrence Krauss vs. Ray Comfort
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2016
- An interesting philosophical discussion between Lawrence Krauss and Ray Comfort during the 2016 Reason Rally in Washington D.C. - and yes, bananas are discussed.
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I am glad I discovered 3 wise men:Lawrence Krauss,Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.
16:22 You're welcome.
@menervah
What?
Everybody who interviewed Ray Comfort were being to soft with him and letting him get away with outrageous crap. That's why he says what he says because nobody nips him in the ass when he babbles nonsense. This was an utter failure.
@@rmggng Not Matt Dillahunty. Ray is a fraud who doesn’t really debate and uses his platforms to preach.
@@johnusher83
He uses his platform to preach? And what else is new? Why else would he use it? Yes of coarse Mat Dilahunty gave him a good debate, but he really didn't shut him down.
@@rmggng I personally wouldn’t expect him to “preach”, I would expect an intelligent conversation where he effectively argues his point. He completely shut Ray down. Ray had no answers other than be blindly faithful.
““If the world hates you [and it does], know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love [you as] its own and would treat you with affection. But you are not of the world [you no longer belong to it], but I have chosen you out of the world. And because of this the world hates you.”
John 15:18-19
Oh brother 🤦♂️
@@bms77 … where art thou?” Finish your sentences, bruh 😎
@@bms77 it’s just funny that, it just so happened, that we all evolved from the same thing BUT only humans have a conscience, only we set up governments, only we set up judicial systems 🤦🏻♂️ oh brother WAKE UP
@@christianamon2946 Not funny, but fascinating: Ever hear of something called random chance? How about coincidence... Something (Science) tells me that other species might just get similar functions at any time; possibly without the trait of being irrational.
@@Bob-of-Zoid the world is depressed because we’re taught we’re here by random chance lol. We’re here by random chance then there’s no authority of morality; just our own personal subjective morality. Yes I thought of it. Science just means knowledge. And we all have a conscience. Con= with; science= knowledge. That’s what separates us from animals. No evidence of a common ancestor with any animal. Speciation and adaptation are true. Darwin’s theory that different KINDS of animals evolve takes an immense amount of faith. I just don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. Death is the arresting officer that drags us in front of The Judge of The Universe. All of mankind has a conscience and the 10 commandments are written on your heart. So we’re all without excuse on judgement day. Have a good day buddy :)
If it wasn't for lust we wouldn't be here. Not any of us.
The point is that we came into this world with rules to separate us from the animals. That requires spiritual and mental strength and without God you have close to none. Our job was to find a wife or a husband to love and reproduce with and lust in marriage is allowed.
Another way of saying, we've always been our mother's egg.
Without daddy's job poking eggs, we would literally never be on youtube watching contents with Krauss in it.😂😂.
Stop giving Comfort face time. It keeps encouraging him and makes him think he has valid arguments which he clearly doesnt. Hes the banana man for christ sakes! Also he gets paid by fleecing the ignorant and gullible, wishful massas that desire nonsense over actual knowledge and dont care about the results of their ignorance. This is way below you Krauss!
This may be the one time Ray Comfort's followers actually leave their bubble. I have met lots of former fundamentalists that began to question by just such an exposure as this discussion.
Scott Burdick His (Comforts) exposure has been going on for a very long time. Hes been outted. Theres a reason why Dawkins wont give fundies the time of day and Krauss' mental state is in question when he backs SJW agendas and Clinton as president. He has replaced the superstition of religion with the superstition of authoritarianism. The only difference is the oppressors have actual names and faces.
AlexfromNorway Every species is a 'missing link' but which one would you like? Fish to land, that would be tiktalik. tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/
How about dinosaur to bird? that would be archaeoptryx. evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_06
How about Human from apes? Oh wait, we are still apes See, what you dont seem to grasp is that every fossil is a transitional fossil. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil
Once again, go read a fucking biology book, seriously! Regardless of what you want to believe we win, we have the fossils. Also DNA, Embriology and bacterial resistance to drugs because of.... wait for it.... EVOLUTION! LOL Grow up!
AlexfromNorway Every fosil is a transitional fossil. Your beliefs are irrelavent when the facts and evidence show the truth. I gave you links to papers by the smartest men in their fields and you still wanna believe bronze age nonsense? Evolution doesnt happen in one generation like you want it to. The offspring is always the same species as its parent. Your ignorance about the diversity of life on this little dustball of a planet has no bearing on the truth of the theory of evolution. Go for it! Im done.
AlexfromNorway
"How do you convince a creationist that a fossil is a transitional fossil? Give up? It is a trick question. You cannot do it. There is no convincing someone who has his mind made up already. But sometimes, it is even worse. Sometimes, when you point out a fossil that falls into the middle of a gap and is a superb morphological and chronological intermediate, you are met with the response: "Well, now you have two gaps where you only had one before! You are losing ground!" See, you wont accept the evidence because your beliefs (or actually I think cowardice) wont let you. Once you accept evolution your whole worldview starts to unravel and belief in a pretty lie is better then acceptance of ugly truth. Fortunately we are getting away from ignorance and superstition slowly but surely.
Here ya go, all the info you could ever want.
www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html
I see a lot of "Krauss is terrible at this" and I can only assume it's because people would prefer an emotional/philosophical response rather than an empassioned scientific response.
What's wrong with a philosophical response?
+Ian Anthony Davatos He's a scientist not a philosopher, but he does offer philosophic-esque insight from time to time. A universe from nothing is a great video you can find on UA-cam with Krauss.
Ian Anthony Davatos
There's nothing at all wrong with philosophy nor a philosophical response but he's not the one to provide that kind of answer. He's a scientist who openly states that philosophy can be an instigator to science but is not required for the type of evidence based scientific study he does.
It's equally frustrating when people lay science at the feet of Hitchens and then fault him for giving a philosophical retort or being unable to provide deeper scientific fact.
Nothing wrong with either type of argument but it's silly, I think you'd agree, to expect one or the other from a person whose specialty is the opposite.
+Daniel Tarsitana That's clearer now. A philosophical response is nohing but a response based on good reasoning and fundamental logical principles.
good points all.
much better than "krauss sucks at this"
managed to make me think about it differently. Well done.
Something can come out of nothing... as long as you change the meaning of nothing to something...
😂😂😂And his apparently the genius here.
Like god made something out of nothing, and appeared out of nowhere?
@@kenirainseeker539 can you clarify what you mean please?
So sad, one man’s believe leads him to love and embrace the other man. A happy fool? A saved soul?
Does it matter?
...When you then consider how the other man’s disbelief leads him to mock and disrespect and Strawman argument the other man. An “angry/bitter atheist”? A man sickened by what he thinks is a charlatan?
I can’t say... what I can say is that I’d much rather have one of those me as my neighbor. One man exudes joy; the other cynicism and conceit.
I don't think Ray Comfort is cynical. Conceited, yes. But not cynical.
@demigodzilla science denial. I take offense...
@demigodzilla Ray Comfort is not a science denier. If you watch some of his movies, he uses simple logic and scientific truths to disprove the ridiculous belief known as evolution. Please don't bother explaining how evolution is this and that, it is not, it fails in every scientific field , mathematical study, and philosophical argument. The real reason why evolution is so attractive is not because of evidence FOR IT, but in absolute faith that we will never have to pay for any of our sins and freedom to live our lives without any restrictions. That is the reason evolution exists, it exists because we as people want to sin with no restrictions.
And an entity like the biblical God is not very appealing to many, specifically Christopher Hitchens. If anyone is interested in living your lives underneath an umbrella of truths, please look into Frank Turek. He gives irrefutable evidence and logic for creationism and how the Bible speaks the truth.
I didn't ask for a sacrificial Redeemer. I believe I am 100 percent responsible for my actions good or bad. God decided we needed a Redeemer instead of just forgiving our sins, Jesus was one of many who was crucified and was only "gone" for 3 days or 1 1/2 when you count from Friday evening to Sunday morning.
Notice that the first thing on Lawrence Krauss' mind (0:23) is having HIS guys filming the interview along with witnesses. Also at 9:30 he confirms some ground rules "No editing." That's because Ray Comfort is notorious for editing interviews in a fraudulent way. Lawrence is in effect saying "Yeah Ray, I'll talk with you but you won't be able to screw around with the video later."
And he did so anyway.
You people are ignorant
I cannot speak of the claim of editing as I have no empirical data to support the claim. As I have no empirical evidence that the film was edited, then I do not believe that it did happen. Therefore there was no editing of the film. There is no empirical proof of the assertion.
Yeah, but so does Krauss. Just check William Lane Craig vs. Krauss.
Chado Fisher I'm pretty surr this is the interview used in 'The Athiest Delusion', heavily edited to the point of just being a snippet or two.
My thoughts on Ray Comfort’s film “The Atheist Delusion”
Ray sent me a preview link to his film, “The Atheist Delusion” and asked my opinion.
After watching the link to your film, my first thought is that you certainly chose some low-hanging atheist fruit to debate (preach to) in most of the film. The people you selected seemed to know little of the very basics of biology. It would be like me making a film called “The Christian Delusion” and only interviewing students who had hardly read the Bible and knew very little of the history of the church and how the Gospels were compiled in the first place. I imagine if I convinced such people that Christianity was a hoax, you’d cry foul (as you should). Why is it any different when you do this?
Of course, Lawrence Krauss was the lone exception, and yet you chose to edit down your discussion with him from approximately 6 minutes to around 2 minutes 15 seconds. Almost everything you cut out were his more detailed elaborations on your questions so it looked like he was simply making claims and failing to back them up. I'm wondering why you would do that? You gave more time to almost every one of the other clueless “atheists” you interviewed on the street who lacked any familiarity with the subject, and even then you mostly preached to them so I'm left to wonder how much of what they said you also edited out.
So the one time you had a truly intelligent person who could elucidate the actual facts and arguments on the other side, you consciously limited him to a sound bite and edited out much of his argument. This is the opposite of what I did when I interviewed you. I asked you tough questions, just as you did of Lawrence, but I left in your full reply so your view point came through clearly. I imagine that this is why you thanked me afterward.
After watching your film, your intellectual dishonesty was quite clear to me.
After I posted my one-hour UA-cam film with the full, unedited version of you and Lawrence, as well as parts of the sit-down interviews I did with each of you, I received a nice email from you thanking me for the fairness of my questions and allowing you to have your full say without editing your replies. Your cameraman and editor, Scotty, also emailed and said he felt it was quite fair and balanced.
In contrast, you did not extend the same courtesy to atheists with your film. Instead, you chose to mischaracterize the arguments by finding people on the street who could not identify a false analogy and knew little about basic biology and the subject matter in general. You very deliberately used this deceptive tactic to make it seem like they were representative of non-believers generally.
While beautifully filmed and edited, what you chose to do in you film was dishonest, plain and simple. It is one thing to have a point of view, but another to deliberately distort the opposing viewpoint and hide facts to convince your audience that your argument is correct. If you really believe what you're saying, then you shouldn't be afraid of letting the other side put their best argument forward and actually debate it on the merits. Instead, you choose to argue against a straw-man.
I enjoy a true intellectual discussion, which is why I wanted to interview you and then film you and Lawrence, but it's clear you do not-or at least you don't actually want your audience to see one. My guess is that no one would have ever seen the full discussion between you and Lawrence had I not filmed it as well as your crew, and certainly not if I didn't have a good release form covering everything I filmed that day that allowed me to release it on my UA-cam channel as well.
I'm now sorry I provided you with my footage for your film (and I noticed you used only my footage of your discussion with Lawrence, rather than your own). I felt comfortable doing this knowing your agreement with Lawrence to use all or nothing of your interview with him, and you neglected to inform me, either then or later, of your decision to cut out 2/3rds of what he said.
You said you wanted my opinion, so here it is. On the whole, I found the film quite slanted and not a very serious exploration of the subject. To be completely honest, I was left wondering if you actually believed what you preached when you purposely avoided having anyone actually explain the mechanisms of evolution, but chose rather to mischaracterize it so you could pretend to knock it down. I'm sure you must have heard the real argument many time, and it wouldn't have been hard to have someone in the film lay out the basics, so the fact that you didn't do this makes me suspect you are afraid to allow your audience to hear the other side's thoughts at all.
Oh well, live and learn. It’s your film, so it’s your decision of how to present it, but since you asked me my opinion of “The Atheist Delusion,” there it is.
Scott Burdick
@Scott Burdick Thank you for posting this video. I could be wrong but I do not think that The Atheist Delusion is the video in which Ray Comfort will include the bulk of the interview from this video. I thought I saw somewhere that it will be included in his series, The Way of the Master. Time will tell.
In the Atheist Delusion, Ray explained why he chose who he did, so I would not say he is being dishonest.
Haha I love how Comfort's new Movie pushed your buttons. Your "true intellectual interview" with Comfort was a huge debacle of immaturity, rudeness and unprofessionalism, *as I explained a month ago in my comment that you banned.* I'm ordering _The Atheist Delusion_ today. I can't wait to see what's got you in such a state. It must be very powerful evidence of the lies you atheist evolutionists continually perpetrate onto the masses. How Awesome!
Adams, Ray Comfort sent me a link to The Atheist Delusion, and this is where he used around two minutes of the six minutes of his discussion with Lawrence.
I haven't banned any comments. Maybe UA-cam did, but I did not.
Yes, I understand that. Reread my comments... I was just sharing a comment he made in the movie that it seems you missed and also possible plans to use the interview that you might not know.
Whenever there is a discourse between a believer and a non believer, the body language of the non believer always appears to be one of a man that is trying to hide, or is shrinking away.
also notice when the Lawrence speaks, he is often looking away from Ray. Ray is often looking straight into Lawrence's soul, because he truly cares.
When someone looks away from someone while they are talking to them, what does that indicate to you? I look away from people when I am saying something that isn't true.
Are you serious? You’re using body language to decide who is more convincing? Instead of their WORDS? Might as well follow hitler then.
@@michaellemmen I take it that this is a bible thumping channel? as Ray Comfort is the epitome of cringe and embarrassment, and Lawrence Kraus is a great physicist.
@@user-mg8tw7yo4fIKR. I can't believe how his followers allow him to blatantly lie for jesus. I don't think you can trust anyone who trusts a proven liar. They are just as bad for supporting his deceptions.
Lawrence is so embarrased by so much dumbness. He just thinks, I want to end this, please stop this dumbness.
Ray exudes love. He’s such a gentle, caring, genuine man! I am working towards being that way
@@Butch_Deezlsteak What do you mean by that? You can't just make empty statements
@@Butch_Deezlsteak he’s like Kent giving in it for the money.
@@mnight207 mate I don’t give a fuck if your atheist but just don’t donate money to ray or Kent hovind or any of those people if they ask.
@@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50 An atheist? Who said Im an atheist? I'm a Follower of Jesus Christ all day everyday and have been since I was just a boy
@@mnight207 haha my bad mate i forgot the space between the a and theist.
These friggin questions he asks, he's had it explained to him time and time and again how they are nonsensical or factually pointless.
Oh FFS, he's pretending the banana thing was meant as a joke?
+Jarred McCleese amazing right? as if the Egyptians didn't farm
It's not just the issue of his pretence. Ray is a clever person, he's got it all figured out how to talk to people and journalists.
If you want to "defeat" him, you have to insist on the fundamentals.
1) If he's scared of hell, why choose a religion having this concept?
2) If he's convinced it's not a matter of choice, prove it! always repeating you've got faith/trust brings nothing to the table.
3) Do all christians go to heaven and everyone else to hell?, if not, what's the purpose of his faith, then
4) If absolute morality exists - what is it, show it!
5) Why does his religion require the denial of science, and our own (god created !!!) nature?
6) If he thinks death makes all human experience pointless, how does eternity fair any better?
PS: Something from nothing - like wasn't that how god created the universe? So what's up with Ray's mishmash?
why would anyone want to bother defeating him. its just best to keep to the science anyway you cant really argue with people who have blind faith.
Agree - Ray is inherently dishonest - pretends not to understand evolution when SO MANY people have explained it to him
One intelligent man and one stupid man. Can you tell which is which? [and I never mentioned bananas] :)
And this huge difference is fascinating by itself! [No banana was mentioned either!] :)
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+john hammond - logan may have been implying the Ray Discomfort: joke "fell flat" part in the video.. 23:36, I could be wrong.. Either way, both of your jokes made me, lol! Thanks for that!
***** Yeah, sure. With that logic, diabetes is a cure for cancer. You're an obvious troll. How much are you paid to spew such bullshit I wonder? Somehow by rejecting the claims of theists due to an enormous lack of evidence, constitutes as somehow being a religion? Your level of ignorance is far to high not to be a paid troll. Pathetic.
FaLLacy DeTecTor
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Thank you, it was a good mini documentary.
I just listened to both of these men describe how wonderful God is. One did so with humility.
Bravo!
Rodney Wooten *I just listened to both of these men describe how wonderful God is*
Hahaha, I'm sorry exactly at what part or what specific part you "think" BOTH of these guys describe how wonderful god is ?
I've watched the whole video (mostly just for kicks) I can see that on "banana man" Comfort which btw all he says or describe about god emanates from pure circular reasoning.
I just wanna make sure we're "watching" the same video, help me find that part cause I keep missing it; so please take me exactly to the minute in the video wherein Krauss describes how wonderful god is.
SWSPORTS&IMPORTS LLC I'm not going to listen to the video again to pinpoint a certain time. I guess you could call it a mental impression, my perception of things described. I believe in God, and am very thankful for his creation.
I mentioned humility bc I believe it boils down to that. You can do nothing to save yourself. Jesus Christ loved you so much that he took the punishment reserved for the both of us wholly onto himself. I would probably be destroyed intellectually in a debate with most atheist. But I have faith. I will pray for you that God, who will not force anything that you do not willfully accept, will influence you. For he is not willing that you or anyone should perish. If you need anything you tube comment me.
@@benthaer3761 *I'm not going to listen to the video again to pinpoint a certain time*
Hahaha, hey moron that reason being that there simply isn't such a part anywhere in the video, I know lol.
Who gives a hoot about your "mental impression" or your "personal bias perception" specially when is just a blatant lie made by a confused, deluded religious nutbag deeply entrenched in mythology and superstitions.
*Jesus Christ loved you so much that he took the punishment reserved for the both of us wholly onto himself.*
Lol, sorry that is nothing but complete and utter gibberish.
Your jesus' existence so far it only indicates to be nothing but a mythical one, there's hardly anything on jesus about his early childhood and absolutely zero, zilch info from ages 12-30 yrs.
We only have stories based on the last 3 yrs of his life only..wtf ?
We know about his myth some 200 yrs after the "crucifixion" event when the 4 gospels (Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) were added to the bible; then later, Roman Emperor Constantine of Alexandria converted to christianity (Byzantine Period) changed a/o omitted some of the original bullshit writings in the bible so it would fit a better "criteria" as it was going through the Ages, for the convenient purpose of unifying everyone from near-by and far away regions of that Era under the same umbrella of christianity.
Anyone to astray from that religious mindset subscribing to different apocryphal beliefs, credos or dogmas considered of heretic nature would face punishment/penalties, torture or death...aah the mighty wrath of the church those days
*I believe in God, and am very thankful for his creation.*
It's your personal delusion and when it comes to actual evidence you don't have any in support of your shit belief anymore than believers of other faiths have for theirs.
Almost 2 billion people claim and will tell you their god Allah is the one and true god.
The thing with all these shit beliefs seems to merely be within the context of the believer's own geography, lol.
There are almost 4000 recorded supernatural gods and deities from different civilizations in time throughout History, hundreds of them are claimed to be the creators of something, the world or the universe...what a predicament :P
Well said! :)
I love how Comfort and his ilk seem to be of the opinion that this god of theirs created humanity in a certain way, realized how much he didn't like the behavior he programmed in us, and now we are the ones responsible for his errors.
well put
+anonymous person I don't think we have free will. I'm confident you can't demonstrate we do.
What a ridiculous assertion! Every religion insists we are all servants. Pfft. We evolved, we created gods (lots of them), and we've 'killed off' most of them. We only need to take the next step and kill off those that remain.
That go's against God being all knowing.
If god is all knowing he will know every decision you will make in your life, even b4 creating you. He will know if you will burn in hell forever b4 creating you and knowing that he still creates you. You do not have the free will not to go to hell because god knows all and he created you that way.If god knows all free will can not exist.
Because he made you known all the decisions you will make in your life even before making you.
He knows if you are going to act immorally because he made you to act immorally so there is no choice because you have to follow gods senario or he will not be all knowing.
You have no free will to do otherwise if god is all knowing that is.
Like I stated before, he will know if you will burn in hell forever b4 creating you and knowing that he still creates you.Compare it to this.
If you make a robot and program all its responses and choices, it will make into that robot it cannot choose to respond differently and you making that robot cannot state that it has a choice to do otherwise because you know all its choices even before turning it on.
If you asked Ray Comfort how to change a tire, he'd turn it into a sermon.
@Nomar Not really. Ray Comfort is a paragon of preachyness.
@Nomar It's pretty realistic for him to start preaching to anyone regardless of what they approach him for or talk to him about, yes.
@Nomar Which is both an annoying and an incredibly selfish thing to do, because it's done on the basis of faith, not evidence.
@Nomar I can't really account for your hair-trigger offense-taking reflexes. Preaching anything in the absence of evidence ought to be seen as annoying and selfish by any thinking person. So you can engage in name-calling and say I'm foolish all day, I don't find it impressive, and I maintain my opinion on preaching.
@Nomar Go ahead, escape. I am, again, not impressed by sentences like "you are ignorant/being foolish/not open-minded/you don't get it" etc. Most of that is utterly false (open-mindedness starts with a willingness to change one's mind; I do that all that time, religious people usually do not) but even if it weren't, that's not a valid argument to me. Do the world a favor and don't pretend there is "evidence for Christianity". There is zero. None at all. Big ol' goose egg. It's either faith or fallacious reasoning/sophistry.
"Does your god see those children starving?" "Yes." "Does he have the power to feed them?" "Let me change the subject before I realize how evil my god would be if it existed."
@Nathaly polanco
Christians say "Jesus died for you".... But also say "he rose again"...... So which is it?...
Answer this one question.. Please.. "If god exists yet he cannot protect children from being sexually abused in his own place of worship then what good is he?" THE HELL DON'T WORRIES THEM???????????????
Haha is that a God problem ? or a government problem? Lol didn't all countries spend billions of $ for lockdown . But that's why the gospel is the answer, may God open your eyes Aman.
Our God tells His followers to feed the orphans and poor. That is why Christian organizations help orphanages, the homeless and the less fortunate more than any others.
Without God this world would literally be hell. If you think it already is then you you would be in for a harsh reality. Nothing good would exist without God. Atheim already has no authority for morality which is why atheists affirm good and evil subjectively.
An atheistic worldview is that we exist for no reason despite having no control over it. Then we are forced to live this life with no purpose.
We then are we to eventually uncontrollably die.
God has revealed himself to us and let's us choose good or evil according to His authority. The idea that there's no consequences for our actions is the real fairytale.
This type of question has been answered by many and John Lennox does a marvelous job of answering this. Since you seem to have all the answers, please explain how your world view changes the the evil in the world…… and don’t borrow our worldview. Thanks.
Well ima say it to u. This earth is a waiting room for judgment. We are corrupted by sin and sin is death. This is not the utopia most of western humans believe it to be. We are dying here. God is our refuge yes but God wont intervene directly because he wants US to come to him. God can do anything but this world is already established as it is. God is not evil, God is everything and only thing. Evil is lack of God.
I love how Penn Jillete is just chilling in the background
Both people are wide awake; One in the darkness; One in the light.
+NoFapPhoenix - based upon your pseudopoetic response, which has all of the gravitas as a fortune cookie, I assume you are a useful idiot (believer).
"Both people are wide awake; One in the darkness; One in the light."
This statement is genius!!
A theist would read it as "one person is in darkness/hell, and the other is in the light/heaven"
An atheist would read it as "one person is in darkness/ignorance, and the other is in a place of light/ knowledge"
You can read it however you like, It's kind of a higher truth in itself, it really cuts down to the bone of the argument.
really surprised no-one else has seen this, it's the second comment too!
@demigodzilla Wow, how cruel of you, you are not a nice person right now
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 I assume your not a believer for saying that. he kind of proved your point. again, saying a useful idiot is cruel, you are not a nice person right now.
i like how lawrence is wearing white, and ray is wearing black, but they behave the opposite
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." Jim Elliot
You would have to really have a reference point for your comment to have value; it’s a vague reference, you made.
@@joelalexander5338 Well, it refers to the true nature of foolishness. Clinging to your life without God will lead to losing eternal life, but giving your life to God leads to eternal life. If this is true, then the fool (Ray Comfort) turns out to be wise and Prof Krauss, who seems to be wise, since he rejects the notion of God,is actually the fool. The quote is rather apt because it highlights the deep irony evidenced in the clip.
@@Chris94473 woow soo deep
Lol jk, sure isn’t anything remotely near what reality shows
@@Chris94473 Ok banana man
God bless you Bro Ray! I love you with the love of our Lord Jesus!!! You are a good and faithful servant Jesus would say.
This interview (when Kraus and Comfort were together) is the most pleasant I have ever seen Krauss. That said, he was still dismissive and Comfort outshined in his treatment of Krauss with respect.
I am of slightly above average intellect - no great thinker to be sure. But I can understand plausibility and reason and logic. There is a chance that Krauss is 100% correct in all his assertions but his intellect so far supersedes my own, I cannot understand how compelling his argument is. And trust me, I have tried ... mightily.
But in the after interview, the interviewer posits several times an attempt at understanding Krauss' postulants and EVERY time is corrected by Krauss that he is missing the point. I find my analysis likewise. Krauss' arguments seem to be either nonsense or brilliance with no room for middle ground.
Comfort's apologetics are entirely different. God and creation seem to readily explain everything we see and the world in which we live. When there is conflict between Comfort and Krauss' worldviews, Comfort's seems to have consistency. Comfort's science comports with reality. Krauss' science does not. Comfort's philosophy comports with reality. Krauss' philosophy does not.
You may think I (or my ideas) are foolish. Perhaps I am. I think a difference is that Krauss makes no room for the fact that he could be mistaken. For this reason, I fear for his soul. Pride is the deadliest of all sins.
Nothing is "No" - "thing" - as far as I'm concerned. //// Whatever you put in the picture means you have "some" - "thing"... gravity is something, energy is something, a force is something... a law is something, a source is something, isn't it?
Spot on! Incredible that supposedly intelligent people ignore this.
But they are spiritually blind. John 3.19-21. Romans 1.18
I agree big time, I will say though, laws are abstract, and they have NO causal power. None.
@EatingTheCannibals No it is not complicated, it may be if you are trying to bring something from nothing. Then I guess your brain could over think it.
@EatingTheCannibals Thank you for the name calling, real nice. My point is that nothing means what it means. Trying to imagine that, is indeed difficult, no argument here. But what I dont like is when Krause or others try to redefine nothing, to fit their theories. It really has nothing to do with God.
@UCPvr7U-eLZXB51GPFkOoQ9w Are you reading my comments or just making your comments. I said that the concept of nothing, or trying to imagine that is difficult. I am not going to play this game of starting from something, then trying to pass it off as nothing. I dont play that game and most people dont.
They love to blab on and on about the process to hide that they haven't a clue of how it started or came together. Complex order cannot come from chaos, sorry not sorry.
I kind of like Ray Comfort. He’s soft spoken and professional. He’s a true Kiwi, he doesn’t get angry.
His patience is one of the fruits of the Spirit.
Unfortunately, He's an embarrassment. A deluded moron. A pillock. But.. he's professional
Not kiwi.... BANANA!!!
Great interview with Ray Comfort. Thanks
Just listen to that first Comfort statement: He's a sick man. You heard it from him: God doesn't reward morality, he rewards allegiance. It's that kind of thinking that begot Daesh and Al-Queda.
The United States Government begot Al-Qaeda. Their god tells them to just have sex and hate. Why would they bother warring? Money. That is all.
Oh stop, Ken. Atheists have killed many more people just in the last century. Do you really believe that if you remove all religion, men won't be greedy and evil and still try to land grab and kill each other. It could only get worse. And who are you to declare that God can't give people free choice. That's just absurd. All the evidence we have points to a supernatural origin of the universe. None points to a naturalistic, atheistic origin. Stop pretending you have the default belief. When all the evidence points to a non-physical, beyond natural or supernatural creation event i.e. a creation event requiring a Creator, then you either have to toss away causality, practically the basis of all scientific inquiry, or you have to accept the default position favors Theism or Deism.
Kristen Michelle that's the classic no true Scotsman fallacy
Jesus never told us anything. a book written by Bronze Age peasants plagiarize myths and legends from all the previous religions.
Tareltonlives what should we expect from a generation that expect to be rewarded for nothing?
13:20 I get this question all the time.
Another thing in the bible is that God makes it clear that no heathen can say that they didn't know about God and his greatness, because in fact your looking at it and acknowledge it every, single, day. In fact if you were judged, he would question you, on why you didn't believe in him, or reach out to him. No man can come up with a being like God who is in the bible and who is not anything like a man in thinking. God is something very special.
The world as we know it is not as dull as we think it is, because God is in it, and He as He said is our abundant and superior reward. I don't even need to share this, because it serves no purpose, but I have been dreaming about the greatness of God and what is in heaven. I wasn't there, but I saw a big city that looked like a temple - and everything looked so perfect and connected. It didn't even look like a city, it looked like something else. And it was all made of something I can describe as; "Translucent gold." I saw it in my dream, as it was in reality; I woke up and suddenly, part of the corner of the roof at the sight of my bed, I could see through. It was very dark at that time, and there were many stars in the sky - more than usual. Then a golden cloud appeared (wasn't that big), and it landed on a certain spot above. Then the clouds disappeared, and I saw the great city, and I was afraid to look at it. Here comes the scariest part, when I turn away or even close my eyes. I could still see it, as well as the other directions around me, all at the same time! It is indescribable. Consider how we see things, the perspective and dimension of our vision. Most people have drawn a room in perspective, as how you would see it when you walked in the door. I saw all perspectives around me and above me and still even when I looked to my side and even what I couldn't see; like when you close your eyes. How is that even possible? There is nothing in the totality of the universe that can create that image. It is impossible to draw it. Because what I saw requires more dimensions than 3, so I saw more than 3 dimensions. Very crazy. And what's also scary is that I got this dream while I was angry with God about something. And believe me, I'm not dreaming (remember my dreams), but I remember this clearly and that city looked more "real"- than real life, so much better, really looked like something out of a movie at 4K and still more realistic. This dream happened about 2 months ago.
30:27 Notice when Ray tells Lawrence that goodbye stems from God be with you “ and Penn completely rejects that with such confidence and arrogance and turns out Ray was right as soon as Lawrence looked it up. Secularists tend to be this way. Arrogant, close minded.. This is a pattern! People, be open minded to new information before rejecting it. God bless.
Gimme The Scoop I thought that was hilarious. I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill
Joe Hinkle “I think you’re making a mountain out of nothing “ How convenient . Of course you don’t have the ability to read between the lines
Gimme The Scoop Yeah you need to chill out just a tad
Joe Hinkle And you need to open your mind
I guess you have to have blind faith, Joe Hinkle. If not you're just close minded.
Keep standing in the truth of God's word Ray grace and peace.
HeadCrushing4k yes sir
“God’s truth”= Bronze Age fables
Ray look in the eyes while conversation goes on
19:50
Props to the sound guy holding the mic in mid-air for hours lol
I just saw a video of Professor Krauss saying “Incest isn’t wrong, per se”. He actually goes into a more detailed example, which was very disturbing. We need to pray for Professor Krauss. He’s believing the lies of the enemy. His view on morality is completely twisted.
I’m not saying this to bash on him, I’m bringing this to light for anyone who believes in the power of the Lord Jesus Christ will pray for him and believe he will be transformed, in Jesus Name.
What you mean by Nothing.
"Nothing" can only all of the following together:
No time.
No space.
No heights.
No widths.
No depths.
No matter.
No metaphysical properties.
No natural laws.
No anti-matter.
No immaterial essence or being.
No existence.
No thing caused.
No thing uncaused.
No sentience.
No life.
No death.
No actor/agent.
Nothing cannot be defined.
Don't become a mathematician then
GOD
@@promcoordinator2747 belief in god does not solve the problem of something coming out of nothing. Saying so would imply that God used magic to create ex nihilo
@@empereurjustinien2082 is creation objective or subjective?
@@promcoordinator2747 there is no such thing as creation to begin with
Wow. He's not letting Ray talk... Smh...
The gift is not salvation. It is "grace". And through our faith "grace" abounds so that Allāh finds us favorable and sees us with mercy when we are found in a struggle to find our way back to our Maker.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Corinthians 1:18-19 KJV
In the words of Hitchens the Great: "MORE BABBLE!!!"
@Child of God 111 How do you know that verse is in the Bible?
Womp womp womp 😅
In the great book of the Order of the Phoenix Dumbledore says that either Voldemort or Harry must die! IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN!!!
Ben Gawitt, prove it.
Scott asked his famous ''but, how do you know this? how do you know this?'' to Comfort like 100 times. I waited for Scott to ask ''but, how do you know this? how do you know this?'' to Lawrence but he never asked him once. This is what I call a biased interview. LOL
He had plenty of videos on youtube that go into detail if you want to see them. The guy doing the interview most likely had already read his book.
@@itainteazy11 because what Krause said is verifiable
Ray's interpretation of Christianity leads to a kind of moral nihilism. If all can be forgiven then all is permissible without punishment. If all can be forgiven and punishment can be avoided, then morality itself has no purpose.
and by that interpretation of Christianity especially on the predestination doctrine, it makes your moral lower than animals
No moral nihilism, God's still the standard of morality. God still punishes a Christian, it's juat as a son not as an enemy. It's called chastisement.
A Christian will try to do good because we have recieved the Holy Spirit upon having faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and by the Spirit we can actually act out true righteousness, because we know it's not ours, it's Christ's. We live to serve our Savior who loved us and gave himself for us. He will withdraw his fellowship from us if we continue in disobedience, and that is punishment enough!
@@MLR276 Yes, punishment via an eternity in paradise. Sounds awful.
Lawrence only let Raycomfort ask him 4 questions. He should of let him fully interview him that was nothing. I pray that our Lord in heaven opens Lawrence ears and eyes
Pikachu created God. Prove me wrong 🤣
Oh No! I’m rolling on the ground laughing right now
36:39 “...we don’t understand the source of that ENERGY.” But, that energy is what created the universe from what he refers as ‘nothing’(in his own definition). All of his explanations attempts to answer the ‘how’ the universe was created; but the the ‘who’ and the ‘why’ questions he is trying to avoid to face, could be the creator and mystery of the ‘how’ and untimely the universe itself.
You would only understand what nothing is if you understand quantum physics.
And he is not avoiding the who or why questions, he just doesn't know so he's not gonna blindly assume like you Christians.
And also if you think there is a creator how do you know what creator it is and how do you seem to know so much about this creator?
Wow these guys are pretty rude to ray its AMAZING how many people dislike Christians keep up good work ray
They dislike Christians because Christians like Ray claim to know the truth without presenting any evidence, and then they tell us that we have to believe what they believe to avoid going to hell. They deny facts and turn a blind eye to evidence. They put their beliefs before an interest in the truth, and that makes them idiots.
You can feel how tenuous and fragile Lawrence's tolerance for this ignoramus really is... he can barely veil his contempt. I have no idea why someone like Dr. Lawrence Krauss bothers with this clown.
hmmmm.... its not the talking snake thats supposed to sidetrack you, its what the snake says and does.
personally i think the deaths mentioned in the bible are spiritual deaths, brought about by gods judgement on people for sin. i can see that. if you do bad things, your soul shrivels up and dies does it not?
was Michael Faraday stupid or closed-minded because he prayed to God and read the Bible?
Where's your evidence?
All the theories you mention have come from following the evidence, refining/changing the theories to better fit the evidence and so on and so on. Your only claim of evidence is "God is self-evident", how very weak. And why try to discredit science by saying it's faith based when it's really not. Do you know what is based on faith in (mostly) mens' words? Religion
Interviewer: “How do you know your religion is true?”
Ray comfort “Because only God can forgive sins”
Okay....
I read this is him saying, "I desperately want to believe there's someone to forgive me for the bad things I've done."
@@ScottBurdickArt And you saying that you dont need forgiveness and theres no God is really you saying you dont wanna give up the all the wrong you do and admit them. You dont wanna be held accountable so you act like the moral law doesnt exists. It only exists how you want it to not the reality
@@shinelleramdath4838 Oh shut up and read your bible, and see how much of an egotistic psychopathic antisocial, genocidal, jealous, insane, monster your phony god is! Only fallible dumbass humans can come up with that shit!
Anyone can talk, but when they try to speak, most fail miserably, and you are showing yourself as text book example of irrationality! Either you roll out some viable, and factual evidence for your imaginary freind, or be silent!
I don't need forgiveness from a pretend being, and until you prove that your god is even a remote possibility: I have nothing to fear! I am 57 years old now and have badmouthed your lord, savior, god, spirits... and believers since I was only 10, and guess what: NOTHING: You are the one living the delusion, not Scott Burdick, Lawrence Krauss, most other Atheists, nor myself, so believe what you want, but you should put mere faith based belief aside and try good epistemology for a change, if you even have the capacity to do so. If you cannot, than that explains everything, and well, it is what it is, your loss.
@@Bob-of-Zoid Why so angry the truth will set you free! There is evidence, kittens, puppies, vegetation, beautiful landscapes, mountains etc. This world clearly can't be an accident!!
@@Bob-of-Zoid if christianity where true would you become a christian?
your going to get nowere with this guy i think he likes hearing himself speak to much
I can't believe Ray Comfort didn't lead Krauss to Christ.
maybe he could lead him to the Easter Bunny
He planted the seed.
You're not watching carefully brother.
@@spec24 Bruh…
Ray isn’t very convincing at all
You cannot reason with some people.
Agreed. Lawrence is a believer unproven myths.
Correct - Krauss is such a mindless believer in materialism which is being showed to be just plain stupid.
Agreed. Ray CumFart is a total moron!
@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri atheist mock God on "wow what a loving God sending people to hell" bc they set their own "good/righteous" standards insead of a holy, just, merciful, and graceful God, standards something they dont and never will have with that prideful and arrogant attitude
@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri ? Im not an atheist
Ray Comfort doesn't debate. He just reels out a list of assertions, usually based on bible verses, without a shred of evidence to back them up. He is so infuriatingly close-minded
Ray is such a kind man. They throw jabs at him and he throws nothing but love and respect back.
Christians are supposed to be Christ-like, so this is expected ^^
Kind ? He goes around judging people and condemning them to hell ! He's not kind. He's a bully
@Calvin I Correct, we do judge people. But I don't tell a confused young gay man that he is going to hell because of his sexual orientation. Like Ray does. I think that is abuse.
@Calvin I
Great to see you talking openly that your god uses threats disguised as warnings.
According to you, he judges and he chooses to punish for breech of a condition set in a contract men haven't agreed to.
Obey or burn is an accurate summary.
Calvin I
" incorrect the Bible is very clear that the majority of people will refuse to accept Christ."
So what?
Obey or burn is an accurate summary.
You tell people that if they don't accept your belief they will be murdered and eternally tortured as a consequence.
Do you understand that as a logical position? It's not incorrect because of your feelings.
Nobody offered them a contract for their consent... So it's not "free will". You make any equivalent statement and you will be thrown in prison or asylum for using threats. But because it's in a book, you get to pretend it's respectable and "moral".
Your belief in a book isn't relevant to others - because you can only appeal to belief to support the belief.
Ray didn't answer the first question. How do you know the Gospels are true? "Because Christianity isn't based of works" is an answer to a different question. It says nothing about why you know something to be factual.
off works
Sad part is when I was a Christian, that was my reason for why I thought Christianity was true. To quote the Small Faces, "I wish that I knew what I know now."
The Bible is true because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses (in other words, it passed peer review). They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies (which can be researched in history), and claimed that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.
The Bible stands apart from all other claims to divine truth as being the only one with logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and existential relevancy.
Lawrence Stanley
The bible was written by people, Lawrence. People can lie or be deceived. It's not that hard.
al gore
Yep. And people can also tell the truth.
Something isn't a lie just because you don't believe what they are telling you.
A clip of this is used in a Comfort film, i think its the "Atheist Delusion" and he completely misrepresents his conversation with Krauss and takes a sound bite from it out of context. This is why Comfort refuses to release his full interview tapes all the time and why so many people demand a copy of the full tape anytime they talk to Ray.
Andrew I am sure that has never crossed Rays mind. The only reason why in the videos that Ray comes off as right isn’t the fact that he is smarter, it’s the fact that he is right and the atheist is wrong
@@pwx13 You are an imbecile to believe that! More than a few people have recorded their interactions with Ray and published it, and it is more than clear that Ray indeed is very selective on what he does and does not want others to see. Besides that, if you even for one second put that imbecile above Lawrence Krauss, then you too have just about every freaking screw holding that thing you think is a brain loose! No freaking way you can show Lawrence wrong, and Ray right, and well baseless opinionated BS doesn't count for shit, so bring on the irrefutable facts: Go ahead, give it your best shot!
@@Bob-of-Zoid minute 5 to minute 6 ray is correct about the gospel. Dr Lawrence Krauss starts babbling about gravitational waves from black holes at minute 7:30. Krauss can't even get the question right at 17:30, he states that humans assume purpose and there is an evolutionary need for that at minute 19, or assume design. Krauss just walked into the design argument. So the truth is that it is normal to assume design. Minute 20 Krauss just states that dna does not make itself. So if it doesn't make itself, who made it. ( he states nature made it, that is just a cop out as that is a contradiction within itself as something with no mind makes something that complicated ), At minute 20:30 Krauss states that DNA was created but then backtracks and says you cannot assume design but it was created. More info on Krauss, he wrote a book on nothing created everything which he hijacks the word nothing and assumes that he believes that he conquered God. So in another words he has spent 40 years spitting out propaganda, look at his handbag imagine no religion, he wrote a book on energy creating everything and these forces its basically witchcraft added to the classroom. He also wrote a book on the physics of climate change. The man honestly had so much potential but is basically a propaganda machine. Its really sad. Whats next he is going to talk about the goodness of covid vaccines or the greatness of Joe Biden. Don't trust someone who quotes John Lennon ( imagine no religion ) who claims it as science. At the end of the day atheism and evolution have held back society from making progress as you look at the masses in california and they know next to nothing and in China where they are mostly communist untrained workers as they have no incentive to train their children to become anything. The US will plummet but I digress. I am married and have three kids, 25 minutes of the video was enough as Krauss had his ideas challenged and he couldn't meet the challenge. Ray Comfort does a good job preaching and challenging him. Lawrence Krauss may sound like a big deal and sounds impressive on the surface but if you dig deeper its total nonsense what he is saying
@@pwx13 well said
@@truthalwaysprevail2738 thanks buddy
These scientists...so in love with their opinions...
Their opinions are more factual than ANYTHING in the bible and even more factual than anything Ray has to say.
@Graham Rathbone Yet, here you are arguing from ignorance to justify an argument from incredulity.
As much as I lose brain cells listening to Ray talk, I respect that he holds true to his mission by surrouding himself with the higher-ups of science. True dedication.
Yes because Alex Vega is much.... Much too intellectual to believe in God. We're, we're beneath Alex... Intellectually ... we're, we're out of our league.... Intellectually...
@@stothem477 S to the M
he can't comprehend what they say, he asks questions and asks for explanations they've given him a million times. He either doesn't listen, or can't understand.
Ray Comfort is so confused and irrational it's no wonder he believes in the stupidity he does. He's surely not a bad guy, I'll give him that, but oh, so off the track it's a shame.
Can you give an example or offer an explanation... or are you just being snarky and emoting? I mean, you do have _good reasons_ for believing what you do regarding what Ray believes, right? _Also, what do you mean by 'bad'?_
Raycomfort BELIEVES. He hasn't the least evidence for those beliefs and motrover the contradict the 3000 or so other versions of Christianity let alone the other religions. I accept science where the evidence is compelling.
barlart
But he does have _good reasons_ for his faith...
As for supposed contradictions, well, just go to the source (the Bible) and provide a few examples... if you have any. _(Feel free to use Google and look'em up since we both know you'll need to... and then I will refer you back to the Bible in response.)_
Also, what "science" (specifically) are you referring to and in regards to what exactly? _I ask partly because, science cannot answer any of the most fundamental questions of life. Do you live consistently with your faith (that being scientism/naturalism)?_
Jesse Bryant "Good Reasons" are what scientists call EVIDENCE. Comfort has no more evidence, i.e. none, than all the other sects of Christianity all believing different things.
barlart
Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence-YOUR moral conscience being just one of them! Other reasons include all the evidence that affirms the claims of the Bible, including all the historical, archaeological, prophetic, and scientific evidence. But thanks for not actually providing any _good reasons_ for whatever it is that you believe, failing to provide any examples to support your claims, and failing to get specific regarding whatever you are calling "science". All of those decisions were obviously... not helpful at all.
As for "different things"... well, could you be specific? _(I know, I've asked you to do that before... and you seem to be unable to.)_ And even if you could produce some specific examples that don't appeal to cults (those who reject the Bible as their final authority) I would simply point you back to the Bible itself and challenge you the same way Jesus challenged the lawyer... (Luke 10:26)
But mostly it appears to me like I called your bluff... and you folded! I mean, I can challenge you to think and provide good reasons/answers for your beliefs (whatever those actually are)... that likely differ in many aspects from so many who would profess to believe in the same unscientific myth that you do, but I sure can't force you to! (Pro. 1:22)
I think it was Aristotle who said--"Nothing" . . is what rocks dream about."
I bet you've never never actually read a word of Aristotle.
@@jamaalrichardson7437 what if he didn't?
@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri
Better for what?
Discovering how to understand nature?
You're condoning ignorance of ideas?
That won't present you here well.
The bible states stars were created after visible light, bats are birds and pi is 3.
There's a shipping list of errors that is at best, hilarious.
@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri
"...better for what you say?
"For your very Salvation. That's what. "
Goalpost-moving isnt relevant.
I was alluding to the topic here which is how Comfort and his followers are trying to assert that he uses science, when he is totally ignorance of science.
Your assertion about salvation is part of your belief system and so is not relevant to others. How you console and justify yourself using superstition isnt relevant.
Creationism and apologetics produce precisely zero knowledge and understanding and so no problem solving nor value for others.
@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri
"Sorry, I'm not really familiar with what "goalposting" means....regardless,"
We were discussing rays misuse of science. So how your religion helps you think you're saving yourself isnt a "use" in the sense of providing tangible results, as science is supposed to do.
"I feel that you think I was not honest on my answer to your question, but I most definately was."
It just wasn't relevant to the topic. Whether you knew that or not.
"Now, it's pretty naive to think really that there are no Christian apologetics who profess Jesus Christ loud and boldly as Ray here can."
I didnt infer there weren't.
"Instead of assuming,"
Assuming what?
I'm talking about the products of science. I don't assume those. We are using some of them right now.
"look deeper into both sides of the matters, not just your views."
I'm not "looking into" my views. I'm explaining that Ray only pretends to understand science and falsifiable evidence.
"I totality get it...athiests think that the message of Jesus Christ is irrelevant to them....but infact, it's more relevant to you ALL,"
NOPE. Your belief is yours. You are welcome to it.
It's not ours whatever you tell yourself. And if you insist we must believe with you, you will get challenged and rebutted for your offendsive presumption about our beliefs.
"more then anyone else. Salvation is what you need, and wether you believe it or not, does not change the fact."
Again, your promises are meaningless.
"Here my friend, if you don't hold Ray in high esteem because He is not a scientist..."
Wrong again. I dont hold him in esteem because he states false assertions and profess understanding he doesn't possess.
"you can take a look and hear out those with a degree in science and math discuss God, and science. "
I can do far more than that: I can use scientific method to falsify explanations and claims and so derive my own, real personal TESTED undertstanding, and not make unskilled assumptions about things I don't understand fiullly based upon any biases and beliefs.
"Explore everything my friend...don't juat assume you actually know because of "what you heard" over time. Wake up and test all things!"
There you go assuming I dont understand for myself, whilst telling us not to assume things. Interesting no?
"Here's Dr. Stephen Meyer discussing the obvious and what we already know through testing.
There's more then what the eye can see and mind comprehend. It's true. 👍"
If you cannot comprehend it, then why are you making uninformed assumptions about other people's comprehensions?
Do you understand what an appeal to ignorance fallacy actually is?
Unfortunately, DNA is a chemical that obeys the laws of physics and there is a functional, natural explanation of it's entire process that we are able to use in industry. Meyer is making a base teleological fallacy.
What it LOOKS like, is that you are telling me you dont understand the arguments in play, and so are using a video of someone with some credentials from a christian funded uni, to say things you agree with in an attempt to sell the belief.
If you disagree, then simply explain the pivotal aspect of your/his argument right here for us.
Ill also ask you the question that's pertinent to this discussion and the point I made in the beginning: What usable PRODUCT has Meyer contributed to modern science that validates his stance as a "scientist"?
Don't ask me where this came from. Just chap remind Woody Allen in one of his own movies that he wrote I don't know where that came from but it just came into my mind when I was listening to him talk and I'm at 20:36 in the video
You can create anything from nothing, just as long as you redefine nothing to mean "time, space and matter".
Faith is apparently a virtue, yet theists seem to see it as a match point to assert(incorrectly) that non-theists hold faith in science.
Yes but the point is that scientists say they don't have faith in science but they do. The point is that they are contradicting themselves.
@@Lauren-se5bu They don't. Science is based on evidence, not faith. Just because you believe things without evidence doesn't mean everyone does.
Faith being a reasonable expectation, in reality, scientists do have faith as well.
It's just the complete opposite of what religionist's mean when they say they have faith. They too have faith, they think they are reasonable too even though they can't show it's actually factually reasonable for a single good reason.
They just haven't discovered this belief is based on bad reasons and is unwarranted.
If I'm to believe something, it has to be shown to be true first. If 2+2=3.97341 I'd like to see the math behind that before I accept it. However believers well, they skip that part for some reason. There's no, 'show me how it's true' it's just taken at face value.
Why accept something that hasn't been shown to be true? 🤷🏼
@@Lauren-se5bu
That's not how it works.
You're engaged in the use of a common fallacy, the false equivalency fallacy.
Those two things aren't the same at all.
Real faith is based on evidence and actual reason whereas the religious faith well, it's 'trusting in the things unseen, hopeful pretending and wishful thinking' like taking homeopathic Cancer medication over chemotherapy and proton therapy when you've been diagnosed and the evidence warrants aggressive treatment.
But, you just have fun there at your little tea party. (Not because of your name, I'm not a sexist. I'm making an analogy here. Little girls having a tea party, playing dress up and there's no real tea in the cups). That's what y'all appear to be doing on Sundays primarily.
Fancy clothes, no one asking about evidence or methods to find out truth from fiction. Singing songs about blood and worshipping a tyrannical despot who's obsessed with foreskin and murder.
@@jrskp3677amen brother!!
He was so clever and sarcastic at the same time. Awesome long suffering on your part Ray.
Ray was so stupid and ignorant at the same time.
He's so clever that he thinks his mind developed from the mind of a monkey. Yeah, okay.
@@BaconPizza who is the real banana man??????LoL
@@jamesnusky6257 seems like Laurence is the real banana man. Cause he thinks his ancestors were munching bananas
@@BaconPizza why is that so crazy to you? You do realise humans have 99% same genes as apes?You believe humans were created by a supernatural,all powerfull deity,that nobody has proof of,but the though of humans evolving from apes is crazy?..
He said we don't understand to many times to know exactly what he's talking about
Mark Ramsey Do you live in Sultan, Washington State?
Its all like behind the scenes, where are the real debates and interviews?
Lawrence looks intimidated here
If I hadn't seen the many times Ray has had evolution explained to him to a point where he conceded he was wrong, to then say the same shit in the very next interview, I'd think he was just a good but confused guy. Knowing all the times he's been forced to admit at the very least some aspect of evolution beyond just adaptation of 'kinds' (whatever the fuck that is) I realize that it's very important he keep up his facade, because he's using this facade to make many millions of dollars for himself and his family members each and every year. Those mansions and nice cars don't just pay for themselves after all. He's just figured out a very lucrative way to con people, the same one many before him have. That's the only thing religion seems to be good for...
Ray says ''everything is futile if death comes at the end'' but I say this:
If you were at a party, do you see the party as futile, do you sit there upset thinking to yourself, why bother come to this party? I mean it's going to end in a few hours anyway''
No you still value the party while you are there. We value life because it's the only one we know we get. We value anything which is rare.
Ray didn't provide any evidence, but just bold assertions referring back to the bible in a circular argument.
We have a good idea where DNA came from or happened. RNA occasionally fold upon itself. If the loop breaks, you have the basis for DNA.
with all do respect this does not make sense. The first life appeared 3.8Billion years ago. Before natural selection could even act on mutation the first life was extraordinary by Richard Dawkins and any honest atheist own admission. The first life by Dawkins own admission contained 1000 sets of Encyclopedia Britannica worth of information. Not random....we are talking specified complexity like out of a computer program or book. This caused many scientist including founder of DNA ...Francis Crick to theorize, panspermia. Basically first life was so complex in terms of genetic code the idea our planet was seeded by an alien life form could only explain complexity of first life. Why is it acceptable to infer intelligence behind first life as long as its alien and not God. Even if you believed in panspermia you still have the problem of where that alien intelligence came from. RNA or DNA did not make itself. Of course scientific experiments started in 50's to create conditions that could have made first life by accident. In all that time all that has been made are amino acids. Even if life was made in test tube it would only prove intelligence was need to make it happen. RNA folding???????? That point overlooks the central issue....origin of life....where did come from? Saying an alien did it is accepted but DONT YOU DARE SAY GOD? Where did the alien come from? If you say conditions where just right to do it....nope....not in 70years of hard work has it been accomplished. The answer is obvious but rejected by people who are determined to avoid God hypothesis not because of lack of evidence but because a passionate desire to disbelieve evidence. All the founding fathers of science with exception of Spinoza were either Christian or theists. I'm not trying win an argument but just begging my atheist brothers and sisters to be honest with the evidence. God bless
Did I hear Lawrence say God Bless?
yes hmmmmm..
I know, oh my god...
😂
oh wow!! said a phrase that most people use.. wow, checkmate Atheists!!! ahhaha omg Ray won! because he said the word "god" … zzzz
Didnt jesus say 'only God is good? So, why does ray comfort say he(ray) is good?. Is ray god? Hmmmm"%#&@&;=÷!!!!
I like Ray Comfort and he is great with his street preaching but I don't think he is the best person to debate an atheist like Lawrence Krauss.
There is no debate , theist believe because the have been indoctrinated ,gaslighted , or just because they can't be bothered to think about it & choose the giant magic biped theory because they think it means they have all the answers & enjoy the comfort that brings.
why is this quote at the end?
The best question that ive seen - ‘can you give an example of species currently advancing the gnome’
They will cuss and scream if you ask that question, it doesnt happen and it never will.
yeah because we can identify changes that take hundreds of thousands of years in our 80 year lifespan lol
Gnomes advance? According to?
A Distinguished Physicist vs the Banana Man? I'm laughing without even watching it yet
Yup! However, although this stuff is EXTREMELY entertaining, it's frustrating because having these two debate implies that they're somehow on the same playing field and playing by the same rules. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE! It would be like having Neil Degrasse Tyson debate Kirk Cameron.
Kirk Cameron did actually try to debate Stephen Hawking once: www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/Stephen-Hawking-vs-Kirk-Cameron-A-heavenly-debate.html?pg=all
He isn't distinguished. Plus, look up what prominant once say is happening to Academia. And l don't believe u r laughing.
Noah Wells who are you again? Many know of Lawrence Krauss and his incredible work? But what I’m more confused about is who are you and why are you so jealous of his success
Noah Wells bravo. Great for you. I’m glad you have a dated Stone Age peasantry belief in the 21st century.
The intellectual world doesn’t care what you believe and I assure you Lawrence Krauss doesn’t care what you say about physics or god until you actually demonstrate it.
Good job mister Ray, thank you for your service.
ray is out there without a paddle....
Where did the gravity come from?
Where did god comes from?
I actually like Ray a bit more after watching this he might be a bit disingenuous about his mission to save us all from death but but he seems to recognise when his position grants him extraordinary opportunities in this lifetime and He seems to really appreciate a good debate and tries to be friendly. I know he's easy to destroy but anyone who wants to hug Lawrence Krause can't be all bad.
you suck
Well said. Just like I believe Lawrence’s argument was easy to destroy. He compared DNA to a snowflake 😂😂😂😂
I don't like people who are dishonest. If a man can't be honest in basic conversation, then he surly is not an honest person in his day to day life. I wouldn't trust ray for anything. He's a con man... no doubt abut it.
It's like Kruss is talking to a man with the mind of an 8 year old boy.
@@Floyd.67 yeah sure he does... He is almost god in flesh!!! lmao thats the con part, you explained it really well...
You sound hooked on it. How much money you think ray makes from all of this? Be honest... I think it is around 10 million now. Am I close?
When Lawrence was saying life doesn't need an explanation because the laws of nature explain it, I wish Ray would have asked him how did the laws of nature come into existence. An honest athiest would say they have absolutely no idea.
An honest person would educate themselves on topics in advance of commenting considering the lack of understanding.
Laws in science specifically are DESCRIPTIVE and aren't similar to the laws humans have made up, these are fundamentally different concepts here.
What you're insisting on is that laws of science have an agency behind them, writing them like 'prescriptions'.
1, you have zero evidence that shows the agent exists to write these laws.
2, since you failed to comprehend what I wrote about initially, you made a decision based on flawed thinking caused by being so ignorant you think you're being smart.
(That one would hurt if you weren't already so dumb.)
yes , indeed that is more HONEST than saying a gods did it . . . . . . . and showing NO evidence .
Atheism has nothing to do with how the laws emerged.
@@CesarClouds and ?
@@helenmailey7123 And, it's misguided to think atheism is a position about science. It's not.
Ray is on uppers of some kind.
"...it only makes sense if..." you accept all my presuppositions.
This is a fantastic encounter between someone who believes in science, and a man who is clearly anti-science.
Anti science? Maybe to certain scientific theory’s that go against what his beliefs are. See let’s just take this into account. Most scientists are secular right? Their theory’s are never gonna take into account the possibility of God. So their theory’s will usually contradict our beliefs. Science is: a Systematic and Comprehensive Investigation and Exploration of Nature's Causes and Effects/the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence. So in a sense from my understanding Christian’s are not fully anti science it’s just most of our epistemology is revelational epistemology.
Many Christians are very comfortable with modern scientific theories because they do not challenge their core belief in God.
@@drdisrespect5318 But not Comfort.
Its not anti science because science is knowledge and truth and the bible is also truth and knowledge. They must go hand to hand. And darwins ape men and evolution theories are as much of a religion as islam or chatolicism. Being anti science is denying existence. Denying God is foolishness.
Again religion is philosophy science is the explanation of how things work not how we began there are many scientist in all fields who are christain science and Christianity my friend are not at odds
Some of RC answers are incredible. If he heard voices he would see a psychiatrist but when asked if God spoke to people in the bible , now that's a definite !
Did anyone notice the guy in the background picking his nose at 11:42?
The Christian people in these comments seem so pleased with comforts performance in this little exchange while it’s quite obvious he was proven wrong
Ray is so far gone that he doesn't shrink away from the phrase "thought crime" at all. He isn't ashamed of it in the slightest. Even the comparison to George Orwell's 1984 didn't make him skip a beat. Scary stuff man.
The difference is a perfect God, and an evil imperfect man.
@@bensexton7350 Tyranny in the name of a fictional god is still tyranny.
It is creepy to see a grifter so good at his job.
If only scientists could get the same amount of donations.
@@bensexton7350 Amen!
Why God responded to me...in such wonderful way???because...he knows who belongs to him....he who has an ear...let him hear...
Why have I not seen this earlier...
Starting at 14:12 -- Witness Comfort's response to what he defines as a "hypothetical" question [it was a direct question from the speaker] which implies that genocide is totally fine as long as God OKs it. Because God's judgments are always right.
I liked the interviewer (for a change!). His questions were excellent and he gave enough time to respond.
Is the interviewer the director? Pardon if I missed something, but it's 3 am lol
Yes, I was the interviewer. I'm glad you liked the questions.
Great job Scott!
Scott I'd love to hear you interview more people of faith. Any faith.
Those are my favorite interviews, but mostly my time is spent painting and writing. These films are a rare break, but very fun to do.
Ray's first answer is less about how he came to faith and more about:
The world is in bad shape.
God can save us.
You then ask - "How do you know it is true?"
His response - "The only way we can be forgiven if there is a law giver"
You then ask - "How do you know this is true?"
His response - "Because the other religions are about works"
I really feel like you should've asked "But how do you know that is true?" about ten more times. He never answers that question for anyone.
This conversation is basically like watching a man explaining stuff to a dog.
Ur a dog if u think we were apes... I love how proud and smart you dumbasses try to look like. Like sit down... xD
“Once we design them it comes down to natural selection” bruh
The universe doesn't care what we think... Ray is a patient man!
No hes a con man.
lawrence actually said "....could a book arise spontaneously out of nothing? absolutely..." 18:40 wow that's magical. I don't think that's science.
Krause is full of shit
You cant blame him entirely considering he admits his ancestors were pond scum, im shocked he is able to extra that much information from the single braincell he inherited from his ancestors.
Krauss is speaking of the multiverse theory as if it is factual. I wonder if he has any empirical evidence for that?
Hearing Rays "answer" to the question about amalek really scares me. Its such a dictatorial way of thought: "The great leaders commands are always good because he is the great leader and his commands are always good".
Its a shame that sometimes those that recieve his message are prophets, and sometimes crazy people, where the only difference is in what humans have learned is moral over time. Today a women who kills her baby because god told her so is "crazy and not a true X", while in the past she was completely justified and heralded as doing the right thing.
maybe they were all diseased, do you remember what happened to the American Indian? there was a reason, and Ray's point was that God knows and sees everything, he created us, he knows and comprehends things we will never be able to
“The fact that it’s plausible” is faith Mr. Krause
Depends on your definition of "faith". In religious context, you can only have "faith" in concepts that you have no evidence for - in other words, if something is "plausible" it doesn't require faith anymore, since there are additional real world pillars propping it up. You could go the extra step and say that only absurd notions require faith - since they are even logically impossible (such as a being being omniscient and omnipotent at the same time), the only way you can believe it possible is through pure faith.
@Graham Rathbone How is it deceit to point out that the word "faith" has multiple different meanings? If you say that something is "plausible", it is not the same as someone saying "I have faith in something" - because you can have faith in things that are not plausible, or which are even impossible.
@Graham Rathbone exactly.
My point was, simply put:
All plausibility could be called faith,but all faith could not be called plausibility. Most religious apologists fail to make that distinction, and I confused you for one of them. An honest mistake. 😉
@Graham Rathbone Seems I answered to the unedited version of your comment which arrived at my email. Like I said, honest mistake.
"Hinduism doesn't offer forgiveness for sins...."
Really? Another religion doesn't offer forgiveness for the crime yours made up?
Bender, of the Great Many Adventures but you’re not mad at Hinduism; you’re mad at God.
walter kersting Oddly enough someone heard I was atheist and asked why I was mad at a god or gods. It struck me as sad that they abused language and thinking.
Consider briefly, to replace sin with error. Now think about it.
Being linear creatures, with a condition to allow fault indicates there is something to be made up - that is to correct - whatever it is, as we move. Since we can’t go back in time, we are left with a predicament in our minds, that not only that ‘bad’ is bad, but there are always consequences unknowable. Without coming to terms with this, truthfully, we continue to distort reality in a compounding way.
Now, you could just say, I’ll keep looking/moving forward regardless, but you have no way knowing how compounding the error is, or how to trust that you can/should even do that. There is NO objective source within you to make that determination. You need an external force to verify your position, as well as your past and future. This person to verify who you are, is only Jesus Christ. If you deny him, you make yourself your own prisoner, with only one logical conclusion, death, our own doing. If you come to terms with him and repent, he sets us free ( though it won’t necessarily be easy).
Horse Hearsay Empty utterances. You’ll enjoy more “guidance” from the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.
What Dr. Lawrence Krauss is doing in this video is personifying nature and also the universe. An underlying statement I keep hearing in his statements is that nothing is created with a purpose. He also keeps attributing everything to quantum mechanics as if that explains how the universe was "created from nothing". Quantum mechanics, in and of itself, cannot cause anything.
Andrew Petty please tell us where you got your PHD in theoretical physics from...
@@dylanwhisnant6772 - your question is a lame deflection to subvert the truth of his statement. A degree does not grant inherent validation. You know the truth and power in his statement but cannot counter so you use the ever lame tactic of subverting him through an attempted mocking.
Strauss mentions quantum mechanics as the study of this phenomena has shown that the rules (laws) that apply to larger bodies do not apply on the atomic level ,strange things happen there , things pop in and out of existence.
When a physicist talks about "something" from nothing ,which they generally don't; except when talking to theists as they are genuinely trying to help you see your delusion, They mean apparently empty space ,this could contain gases & miniscule molecules.
Quantum mechanics is a scientific theory ,it is concerned the why of the phenomena not the what ,we know what atoms are we don't always know why the do what they do.
Quantum mechanics is not instinctive , it has "evolved " over many generations of learning , they are standing on the shoulders of other scientists.....science is not a thing you see ,it is a method. Scientific enquiry tries to disprove itself ....theory & laws have stood up to the most rigorous inquiry ,they are as close to certainty as scientist would profess.
"god" fails at the first hurdle ,how did god make "himself"? ,were did "he" come from?
Also why "HE" ?,no one has ever seen nor heard "god"
PLEASE STOP PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
How do you know that it can’t cause anything?
@@Imagine_sisyphus_happy Quantum Mechanics is the branch of mechanics that deals with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, incorporating the concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle. Nothing in that denotes the ability to create. Matter has to already exist for quantum mechanics to work.
Just a small insignificant comment about the 30 minute "Goodbye" comment. I may be wrong but, IF Ray had been incorrect, they would have made a big deal about it. But since Ray was right, it was just glossed over.
Basically they are both talking about apples and bananas . They are two completely different subjects .
Love this bible verse and for me it explains all.
1 Corinthians 2:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned