From the Beginning to Now | Lawrence Krauss | EP 182
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- This episode was recorded on May 7th 2021
On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan is accompanied by American-Canadian theoretical physicist and cosmologist Lawrence M. Krauss. Throughout his career, Dr. Krauss has made remarkable contributions to the field of research on particle physics and cosmology. Dr. Krauss formerly worked at Yale University, Case Western Reserve University, and Arizona State University. Dr. Krauss also founded ASU’s Origins Project, a non-profit corporation that holds public panel discussions on science, culture, and social issues. Some of his work includes popular books such as The Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing.
Jordan and Lawrence sit down to discuss a variety of topics in the mind-boggling world of quantum physics. They spend time discussing generated models of the beginning of our universe, the lawbreaking complexities of quantum physics, the ramifications related to entropy, the usefulness of the scientific method, as well as the instinctive behaviour for religious compulsion among human beings.
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[00:00] Introduction.
[2:00] Jordan kicks things off by positing a description of entropy for discussion relating to complexity in systems of matter, time, and energy.
[13:00] Krauss expounds on the value of overcoming failure.
[16:00] Peterson prompts Krauss to expand on times in his career where the redirection of an experiment led to incredible discovery that was not related to his original intention or hypothesis.
[21:30] The science of cosmology, taking the listeners back to the beginning of our universe through theoretical models.
[27:00] The size of the universe, is it a reasonable question to ask?
[41:00] Exploring the concept of time relative to change, space, and matter.
[44:30] Talking about the creation of the universe looking at matter versus antimatter distribution.
[56:00] The current picture (based on models of the matter and antimatter at the beginning of the universe).
[1:01:00] The ability of the laws of physics to fluctuate at different energy levels (scale, size). The formation of all the foundational elements in existence.
[1:10:00] Quantum fluctuation, quantum mechanics, quantum ground state, the resonant wavelength of electrons, and much more.
[1:20:30] Lawrence Krauss gives his summarization of the interpretation of quantum mechanics and complexity.
[1:25:30] Debating meaning, truth, reality, and reason in the universe. The complex and strained relationship between the scientific method and religious instinct towards our existence.
[1:43:00] Jordan asks Lawrence to comment on the religious instinct removed by modern atheists popping up again in a politicalized form of secular humanism.
#Physics #Religion #LawrenceKrauss
Jordan B Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.
Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (877, 958, 1006), The Rubin Report, H3H3 (#37), and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content.
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I'm a welder, and I listen to JP's podcasts pretty much all day while I weld. It makes me enjoy my job like 5x more than usual. It's like getting a college education while I make money.
Totally agree 👍 we shouldn't stop educate ourselves till we die.
I'm trying to get my son into welding. If you have a little time someday I would like ask you some questions.
Peace!
I’m an electrician. I do the same thing. Hahaha
Lol same here in Cosmetic Inspection
Funny you say that, feel the same
"Education shouldn't be based on answers, it should be based on questions." - Lawrence Krauss
Very well said!
So you're saying students should be in control.
@@redmed10 He is saying the teacher should instill in the kids the desire to ask more questions.
@@BP7BlackPearl
I know exactly what he is saying. But he shows no appreciation whatsoever of the practicalities of teaching 30 kids in a class and having to teach to a curriculum
It takes a special kind of teacher who can actually do what krauss is advocating. These type of communicators can make much more money outside the teaching profession and with none of the headaches of teaching. The type of teaching krauss advocates would cost double if not treble what is generally provided in public school system today. It could be done but would require higher taxes which people are against. I'm just asking krauss to live in the real world on this subject. If he's talking about higher education system fair enough. But I don't think he is.
@@redmed10 I have no idea how u come up with that conclusion. Why would it cost more? We already have some teachers who do that and they don't get paid more.
Many teachers are just lazy, or get that way. A good teacher is interested in their students as well as the topic. Good teachers voluntarily work overtime without pay cuz they enjoy it.
@@BP7BlackPearl
Go on a few teachers forums or Facebook groups and see what they say. Why do people out their kids in private schools. Smaller classes. More one to one tuition. Less stressed teachers. And that all costs a lot of money. Surely you know how expensive that can be. Parents pay this because they know the advantages of these things. I hear of teachers paying for school supplies in public schools out of their own pocket. Of course some teachers give their own time for the kids who need a bit extra help. But if more money was spent and more teachers were employed , individual wouldn't have to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Would you do extra hours of work for no extra pay? Why do you presume teachers should be expected to do it just because they are in teaching profession?
Lawrence Krauss is one of my favorite educators because he (usually lol) looks like he enjoys it. Some very intelligent people get frustrated or annoyed with JP’s questions but I think to a certain extent JP is asking because he wants to learn. And Lawrence is happy to indulge and share his knowledge. Love it.
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@@jimdoolin5480 Hmm...very interesting indeed.
What a DELIGHTFUL conversation Jordan and Lawrence had. I can't wait for more conversations on this level from both.
One of my favorite conversations I've ever listened to so far. It wasn't merely an exchange of ideas but rather a pursuit of truth, and you don't find this in the public discourse very often.
I started getting a little annoyed with Krauss at the end because he kind of just did the annoying thing of getting too allergic to religion to develop an openness enough to discuss it in an abstract sense, without even crossing the threshold to entertain it in a sense that doesn't actually make any metaphysical claims.
I worry that such an attitude will hinder the next discussion from being as interesting as possible. I also suspect that attitude is primarily what causes rationalists to persist in their harsh views on religion.
Peterson and his guest were on a roll in this podcast. They have great synergy.
Looking forward to Peterson in the "hot seat" on Krauss' podcast!
@@hellomate639 In the beginning after I became an atheist, I too had a strong disregard and contempt for religion. That has definitely changed with time and I now no longer care whether people are religious or not and view religion as key part of our history as a species.
@@hellomate639 I think Krauss was suspicious of Peterson attempting to learn as much about theoretical physics as possible, just to learn its ultimate limitations so he could 'smuggle in Jesus' to fill the gaps.
Supernatural shenanigans indeed!
@@Dunted I think that's a projection that is rather insulting to Dr. Krauss's intelligence.
I am so moved by Mr. Peterson's raging determined refusal to allow the dying of the light. Rage on, sir. Rage on.
Rage like a toddler running into a semi truck.
One of my favourite poems. Also D Thomas best work. I'm old and half welsh, so we did all that in school, but I'm guessing not everyone knows what you are referencing. Perfect for Peterson!
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
We all must do that. I do
@@MarkJones-gt2qd it became very famous after the movie "Interstellar", most people know of the poem thanks to it by now.
@@IrregularPineapples On the soundtrack you have the whole cast reading out the poem.
I need to watch this about 5x; sooo much incredible discussion/info here. Impossible to absorb in one listen! Love the energy here; one of my favorite JP podcasts so far!
Two of my favorite fields coming together to make life make more sense. Thank you Jordan for all you do for people all around the world. You truly are an inspiration!
I don't think I've ever seen Jordan so excited to speak with someone! Also kudos to him for stepping way outside of his comfort zone!
He appears so much healthier than in some of his earlier podcasts, emotionally and physically. I hope the continuation of these podcasts serves as something that’s therapeutic to him and aids Dr. Peterson in his recovery!
This comment has been repeated in almost every podcast he does lmao
you must never really watched Jordan then
I spent 4 years with a girl very similar to this,,.we have
a kid together and it took me 4 years before I saw the
reflection in the smoke and mirrors. I thank God
everyday for delivering me from that monstrous
woman. I ended up finding the strength and insight to
get my daughter and go by listening to your videos here on UA-cam and I consume and scrap of
information you provide. I've since read two
books by you. One them being 1 2 rules to life. I
have implemented as much new positive direction into
my life and have decided to shoulder as much
responsibility I'm capable shouldering alone without
loosing mysql'f. And it has impacted my life in so many
positive ways. I think back those darkest
times. and it's a truly humbling and beautiful time.
because from where I'm sitting now all I can see is a
chapter in my life necessary to grow my character
and my soul into what I now know as my best life. And
the best part is my best life gets better every day in
some incremental way weather small or large it
improves because I don't lay down and go to sleep
without improving at least one thing every day in
order to make tomorrow and shade better than today.
Thank you jordan peterson . I grew up with
a single mom addicted to drugs and alcohol I never met my father and it took
me until I was 30 years of age before a friend suggested I check you out .and that day at
that exact moment you spoke to me in a way nothing
or anyone had ever spoke to me before. It truly
changed my life just like that. And it was the best
most empowering day of my life. There has been some
rough times during my evolution no doubt. But I
appreciated every moment all the same. I embraced
that struggle. I try to be happy to have even been granted the
opertunity, and provided with the knowledge, and
perseverance to push through those hard times and
not only push through them but to grow from them. And learn from them. It's truly remarkable what a simple change in the way you see yourself and interpret your turmoil can and will make in your life just simply by saying no. I refuse to lay down and just accept this . This will not be what I was capable of. This is not my best effort.
You changed my life. the first video I watched of yours captivated me and I began consuming anything I could find with your name on it. And implementing it as best I could and it completely changed how I live day to day. How I take each hardship. How i face my deepest fears. I learned how to be a man. And more importantly how control the monster within. How to call on it when I need to be heard. And how to speak with purpose and conviction . Thank you I'm sorry I wrote you a novel but I remember hearing an interview you did and you said when you need to hear positivity that you often turn to comments on your videos. Maybe you will read this . Or better maybe it helps somone else to take the reins in there own life and start making life an opertunity rather than it being there prison like I spent the first 30 years of my life.
WOW! Fascinating and exciting exchange between JP and LK. I am staggered with appreciation by the ability of each to draw out the very best from the other! I agree with every comment shared over the past 7 months, since this discussion was posted. I shall now listen to part 2 and follow-up with joyful reading from Genesis, Psalms and Romans!
Lawrence Krauss and Brian Greene are the best theoretical physicist I've ever listened to as a layman who never even took 1 minute of physics class. They let you speak and complete your sentences before correcting you. Genuinely interested to know your questions.
Never treat you like an idiot. Which is why I'll always listen to any videos of em. Just found this one, about 57 minutes in and it felt like 5 minutes. You have no idea how hard it is for me to spend more than 10 minutes on a video that's not related with comedy/satire. My ADD seems to just vanish when I listen to Lawrence, Brian, Dawkins and sometimes even Jordan.
Thank you for this Jordan. Thank you for making it free as well.
I love hearing Jordan speak. I mostly have no idea what he is saying, but I can listen to it all day.
That's pretty much most of his fanbase. None of you have any idea what he's saying or if it's correct or incredibly wrong.
@@NoUsernamae I think that's true of any public figure with a large fanbase. There is always the cult of personality with popular public figures. That doesn't mean those figures don't provide some value, however. People can come away with what they find useful, as has always been done in mass communication. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of being an intellectual. Nor do they have the time.
@@scratchpenny it's debatable. Any public figure that has a following like this provides very little value. People turn them into a projected ideal, get attached to that image, and spend much of their time being emotionally moved whenever they see something for or against what that person has said. Psychologically, having an image to follow is catastrophic because it is an impediment to self knowledge. But of course I'm also no longer just talking about Peterson, like you said, it happens with all, more so with Peterson because anger resonates with people an insane amount in the current times, because we are outwardly civilised, and inwardly a mess, I don't want to go into the details of that but it's a topic that must be explored. These people seem to be helping. But in most cases. They aren't. They're just a placeholder for the collective unconscious to project itself.
@We're living in a paradox. I do. I listened to him for quite a while, not because "I loved hearing him talk", but because I wanted to understand his ideas as well as possible since I thought they were very useful, unfortunately or fortunately I found out that wasn't the case. And then I realised most people don't even bother understanding the ideas he tries to spread.
Hahaha yeah seriously, but somehow I always know what he's getting at
After they finished podcast they started playing Warzone.
Lol yelling I’m in the gulag
HE'S ONE SHOOOOOOOT!
@@plimithsock The image of JP fighting his way out of the gulag cracks me up lmao
Physicists don’t go to gulag. Only Jordan go to gulag.
and that's that.
This was a particularly memorable one. Really enjoyed it from beginning to end. Such high quality conversation. I think it is key that both participants take the time to define context to words or phrases which both Jordan and Lawrence did regularly.
I get the feeling they both enjoyed this one too
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I'll say this for Dr. Jordan Peterson, whatever his personal motivations, the man is great at a debate. It's just interesting stuff and if you're worried about political bias you shouldn't allow that to censor yourself from watching people who don't align with your beliefs. Diverse perspectives really do matter. Lawrence is his usual great self in this, glad to see he's enjoying it.
You need to watch JP debate Harris and Dillahunty..he makes a right fool of himself.
@@r0ky_M I have watched his interaction with Harris at Pangburn, and in my observation I did not see him making a fool of himself, at any point. In fact the discussion stretched into 4 different occasions. About the Dillahunty one, I cannot comment on, as I have not yet watched it, so I am curious, at which point exactly did you observe him making a fool of himself?
@Budda Brotha I agree, hence my careful use of language, and the specific words "interaction" and "discussion" to illustrate their conversation.
I watched many debates with Lawrence and religious scholars. Lawrence is fantastic in debates.
Peterson is my fav pseudo-intellectual
"Tell Me What You Think About This." Or "Correct Me If I'm Wrong." These show Jordan Peterson's humility and openness to criticisms or refinement of ideas. These are some of his great strengths because they are constructive approaches. They should be printed on T-SHIRT.
These are all defense mechanisms of a person subconsciously understands that he shouldn't be talking to Krauss, because all he has to contribute to the discussion is "put your pants on in the morning"
Anyone can say that. He starts with those ideas in mind but when Krauss or Harris asks Peterson a specific rational question, Peterson doesn't accept ir or attempt to understand it. Specifically, regarding Peterson's need to rationalize fiction and fairy tales of religions, in order to prove its worth in the 21st century, which is miceoscopic, to be fair, close to 0. That is stubborness and not humility.
These are great things to say throughout a conversation where you shut the hell up and let the other person speak.
@@pretol1 or you just live in a different reality..... you have problems
@@jimmytimmy3680 lol they all dodge each other, have you even been paying attention to their conversations? It is a battle to come to a further understanding of the topic especially when two professionals in different fields are teaching one another different perspectives.
I haven’t seen Jordan Peterson this excited in a while!! Love this conversation
I think, he was excited like a child with John Vervaeke
I think Nicole Arbour got him pretty excited 😝
Krauss looked happy to talk to someone not in his field who could understand what he was saying.
@@thomasjones9559 or he's trying to show his wife that he's just excited for new guests as he was 4 Nicole LOL
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I have watched Lawrence Krauss in several documentaries about space but this one with Jordan Peterson is blowing my mind.
Amazing to see 2 brilliant human minds having a discussion in the most human and humble way.
We are very lucky to experience two such intellects on this accessible forum.
These kind of discussions are desperatly needed these days.
They’re desperate for sure:)
Rob Koons vs Graham Oppy on Schmid’s channel.
yea and deforestation monocrop polution of air and water, mass breeding 70 billion animals per year in horrible condition.
alot of discussion and action has to be done these days.
but we mostly focus on what we care or like. or affect us directly.
sounds like we are too much and want too much too.
but intelectualy yea. this is amazing and its intriguing how far or deep we can understand the world
Even though it was 2 hours, it was one of those rare talks that I could have listened even longer.
You can tell Krauss was impressed with Jordan’s ability to stay with him on some very technical aspects of physics. Jordan didn’t merely skim Krauss’s book, he actually understood it deeply.
I mean he was tested to have an iq of 150. No surprise there. His mental acuity, especially at the age that he’s at and the drastic recovery he just had to undertake, never ceases to flabbergast me.
Max Tegmark would be a great person in dialog with Jordan.
@@phasespace4700 cool
@@phasespace4700 I can totally understand the disdain if you look at it from a purely reductionist and materialistic perspective. Honestly he’s just as much a romantic as he is an intellectual so there’s that as well. Would you mind telling me which idea in particular you disagree with so that we can discuss?
Lol
Physic’s and psychology, two of the most fascinating topics! Really gives you a sense of the complexity and beauty of life.
Physics definitely
If u combine the words it makes Psychic 😋
Reason is the slave of passion.
Dr. Peterson’s honest attempt to understand something new is a wonderful model for engaging others. He doesn’t contend, but finds issues where he can get clarity on the topic.
Whenever Krauss says "literally nothing", he means something.
Yeah, he’s been corrected by philosophers on this time and again, but he’s too full of himself to listen.
It means something that empirically is nothing. But just because it cannot be measured does not mean it does not exist.
To any JP fans...Im looking for an accomplished singer/acoustic guitar player with a folk/soft rock style to cover a fully completed song dedicated to Jordans 12 Rules books and philosophies.If you are interested and think you might be able to help let me know, and we can arrange contact! Thanks,
@@CRHE LOL This is not a question that philosophers can help with
@@bryanfoster2651 Yes, it is. It's literally semantics.
Wow, the more I learn the more I know I will forever be a student of life.
Great conversation!
That's a good thing. This means there is always something new and interesting to learn about the world.
.. but the question is, would it be beneficial to you..
continue your education as a student by listening to an opposing view provided by Dr. Stephen C Meyer. Just put his name into UA-cam search and watch/listen with an open mind.
with love,
former atheist who grew up Catholic that now believes in the historical and spiritual accuracy of the Bible.
@@peaceislam1204 it certainly isn't doing Islam any favours since tye Quran I'd riddled with scientific fallacies
I hope that these two brilliant minds come together more. This is one of the best learning experiences I’ve ever had
Krause is certainly intelligent. Peterson is just a fascist con artist
I love listening to highly intelligent people speak. Their back and forth makes me feel so dumb and yet here I am learning every time I listen to JP ❤️
I admire Jordan Peterson more and more with every podcast .
If politicians would be able to debate in such a way , life would be so much better
anywhere in the world.
I will need to listen a few more times to really grasp it, but what a great source of knowledge and wisdom in these 2 minds .
I'm in awe .
That's because you're watching people embody the archetype and it strikes you as admirable. You know from somewhere that acting like that towards each other, and if more people did that, is our best bet in not only surviving but in making the time that we have here in our "quantum bubble of experience," good and aiming at better. Why does that manifest as meaningful to you? that's a deep question - so much fun!
"How to fail effectively" Has me up out of my chair. So darn important.
What’s fail? I always get a ribbon.
I am almost at "must" wear reading glasses so read "fall" and thought "That's one way."
Hell yeah
I think learning a martial art, or surfboarding is a good way to build this skill!
More than half of proficiency in many activities, such as skateboarding for example, are about learning how to fall skillfully.
As an atheist I have been troubled by Krauss' sometimes shrill rhetoric and out of hand dismissal of the value of religion, and equally, I have been perplexed by Peterson's confidence in the merit of religion's 'metaphorical substrate.' Their discussion, particularly at the end of the podcast, went a long way towards assuaging my concerns regarding their respective positions; particularly their dialectic has for me, put a more humane face on Lawrence Krauss' world view and given me a greater insight as to Jordan Peterson's somewhat vague endorsement of religion.
For me, this conversation has elevated both their individual views of science and religion, and my esteem for their intellectual honesty.
Very astute observervation. You pointed out a fascinating part that many may not pick up, thank you!
Love Lawrence Krauss' s enthusiasm, articulation, abundant knowledge, and, though himself, a brilliant man how simply he explains the complex. Thank you Dr Jordan for your pertinent questions. I marvel at your interest
Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy: If you put a spoonful of wine in a barrel full of sewage, you get sewage. If you put a spoonful of sewage in a barrel full of wine, you get sewage.
So glad the latter results in sewage and not wine.
I think we all know someone that will drink the wine with a spoonful of sewage in it and get so drunk they will hit you over the head with barrel of sewage with a spoonful of wine in it.
Not sure about that. The FDA allows some strange stuff in our food.
@@whitealaskan hair and sawdust are okay
Is this quote in the world as will as representation or? You should also look into the ideas of shrodinger and plank?
The only problem with this podcast is that it’s too short
We are so spoiled. We get to peek into an intellectual conversation with 2 legends for 2 hours and we still feel unquenched !
lol. omg this was 2 brilliant PhD's at a high level in two complex subjects at once lol
Listened to this again, and gained so much more the second time around. A study of physics and a basic understanding of these concepts should be central to all of us, even those not technically trained!
Why?
@@daviddeida It allows you to perceive things in a manner that is not entirely subjective. Once understanding these concepts you can conceive the world in such a way that is far greater than your individual existence.
Big bang is not real
@@lowellneese549 How do you know?
I have to admit this one Was a little too much to grasp
2 of my favorite public intellectuals, so excited to start this podcast! Such a delight.
I've felt so profoundly lonely all my life until now. Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson and Lawrence Krauss!
You know what I want? A better way to connect with people who are watching the same UA-cam videos, because I've struggled with profound loneliness too.
Just take the risk and exchange email addresses.
I won’t spam you.
What would you like to talk about?
Peterson: “Yes.”
Krauss: “Alright, I’m game.”
I thought it interesting that Krause said the ground state of the electron is not zero because the universe is not infinite... suggesting a finite universe.
I also found it interesting when he said someday other galaxies will be out of sight, because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light... but I thought nothing could go faster than the speed of light. Which is universal in all frames of reference.
@@johnpepin5373 I'm no physicist, but i think the explanation to that was SPACE ITSELF is expanding, and so is not bound by the speed of light.
@@essaytv9527 Maybe.
Huge fan of both of these gentlemen. I found the discussion enormously productive and cordial.
What unites these two is their passion and joy for ideas and this joy suffuses the listener.
The older I get the less surprised about people I become, with increasing sadness. I'm so pleased at being surprised by how well this discussion went, thank you Gentlemen!
Now we need an interview with Stephen Meyer to get the metaphysical view on cosmology and his book Return of the God Hypthesis
Thank you both 💛 this is helping me understand my anxiety.
Being Autistic with ADHD and not being diagnosed with either until my late 30s and into my 40s, life has been in equal measure amazing and awful.
My brain doesn't have filters so my brain never shuts up and does not filter out unnecessary thoughts.
Try meditation
@@craigfowler7098 have done since i was a teen ☺
@@tartanbessy436 Great to hear that. I would recommend the Linden method
Homeopathics have a pill to stop thar & shut your mind up its Coffee Cruda & I've used it for years. It takes about 3 days .
Always a pleasure to watch Jordan Peterson interviews.
I must say, Lawrence is far more comfortable in this topic then his lecture on climate. One field he is an expert, the other, climatology, he tried to be an expert.
These conversations are more packed with information than just about every school class I’ve ever participated in. Geez what a time to be alive!
I was just thinking that. This 2 hours had more information than 1 year of my university course.
Jordan asks good thoughtful questions. He's a good interviewer for scientists.
It's a nice thing to do when you have a "bring your child to work day", but it's not something scientists enjoy on a regular basis.
agreed
He seems to know enough physics to ask good questions and make it interesting.
Obviously, you are not in a position to define what a good question is.
No he isn't. He tries desperately to support his original narrative-driven beliefs.
This is beautiful, in multiple ways. Thank you Dr. Krauss and Dr. Peterson.
This is so amazing!!! Thank you for this conversation! It’s powerful, enlightening and encouraging. “We are all religious. “We all want to believe.”
Not me, the world "as is", holds more than enough wonders.....
@@maxodgaard1335 how do you know it exists, or rather how do you know what is a wonder in the first place? You seem to treat religion as a primitive science. Needless to say, you couldn't be more wrong.
@Leo Tsisin Religion and science mix as oil and water.... Religion no matter which, is a primitive way to try to comprehend the world.
@@maxodgaard1335 it is not, nor is science. Thanks for demonstrating that you're utterly clueless as to the philosophy of both.
@Leo Tsisin Science makes you and me communicate now here on this platform on a server in the real natural world..... Religion will keep you dumb and ignorant. It will add nothing but fictional absurdities to human kind until enlightenment finally finishes it off....Sorry but it is what it is..... 🤷 what is even worse is that you got brainwashed as a child and now the delusion is so strongly built in you that you are blinded/cut off from reality..... You have the perspective of a child....
Dear Dr. P., Each time I find a new upload here, my mood lifts a great deal. So gratifying to listen, learn--and engage again. Thank you!
This is awesome. When I was 14 or so, more of a church boy, I watched a couple of debates with Kraus and fundamentalists, and I disliked him because of my indoctrination I felt attacked and I was close-minded. Since then I haven't seen anything of him. I saw him in the thumbnail and remembered him so I was curious. I love this guy's mind and attitude, I have a lot of admiration. And I'm feeling pretty good about myself because this means I've grown into a more open minded person myself.
If only he didn't visit Jeffery Epstein's island I might still have some respect for him
@Melissa Oestreich I'm more of an agnostic. I believe there is a god, but I know I can't prove it rationally, and I understand that I don't know the meaning of life, and I embrace the mystery of life. (even though I believe there is a meaning that I discover little by little every day if I'm on the right path)
I was raised secular and find atheist mode Kraus to be missing the point entirely. I dismissed him based on some other recent convos, though I agree this one is pretty good.
You dont have to prove it rationally, its already been done through many logically deductive arguments with sound premises. For instance the argument from contingency, the cosmological argument, etc
@@apracity7672 isn't that a method of rationalisation? Mind my lack of understanding in your statement. Just a question. Are you saying that due to his presumably right deductive arguments there is no need for rationalisation becuase its already done by the arguments? Again, i have not fully grasped these concerpts.🤔
How am I supposed to watch from the beginning to now in one sitting... Every time I start the rewatch it ocurrs to me "now" isn't what it was yesterday, and this realization is compounded by difficultiea I am having with my time machine but time waites for no one and I won't wait for me, or so admonished Mick Jagger Once Upon a Time. Thanks for bringing this wonderful guest into my event horizon. I am looking forward to his books!!
This is so fascinating. It's awesome to hear Krauss and Peterson working out cosmological issues. The two of them are at the top of their game.
Lawrence Krauss is an absolute legend. I remember this man as a frequent expert commentator on Discovery and History channel shows promoting science long before youtube even existed.
@Elder D Castañeda perhaps he is a flawed human being but I respect his knowledge in physics. People that point out flaws in others have their own deep seated flaws. We are all here to learn and evolve. None of us are perfect.
@Elder D Castañeda If Lawrence teaches Ethics, I will not listen. For physics, I enjoy learning from him.
@@MeMe-qc6ow how did universe begin then?
@@MeMe-qc6ow actually guys like Krauss are trying to get away from the Big Bang because it actually helps prove the existence of God creating a beginning point, that ha since expanded. They like the multiverse idea or throwing around terms like “dark matter” or infinite emptiness.
too sad, they've wasted their lives on nonsense lol. they cant comprehend reality.
I have a couple of degrees, a little understanding of science and physics, but seriously, I know nothing. This may be the most interesting discussion I have ever had the privilege to listen in to...
were your degrees in nonsense and bull shit?
@@parmachine470 The internet surely isn't a kind place :P
Par Machine UA-cam scholar right here
@@hughjanus7176 Don't feed the trolls, just ignore them ;)
Saying you know nothing is a sign of your intelligence
I had never heard of Dr Krauss before and after hearing this discussion, I’m obsessed! I want to read all his books and listen to his ideas. He’s so easy to understand and follow, despite the ideas and discoveries being so complex. Plus, he just seems like a nice guy. He and Jordan together are such a good combination for interesting and provocative discussion. Thank you for doing this and enriching my understanding of the Universe. I could listen to them talk for 2 weeks straight!! 😝
Look a little further into this guy, he is pretty awful, surprised Jordan had him on.
Glad you like listening to him theres heaps of content out there. He converses well with Dawkins, I recommend their talk on titled something from nothing and his talks on the Issac Asimov memorial debates
Great physicist, but his attempt on Global warming was less than startling.
I am currently reading "1001 Atheist & Agnostic Quotes and Proverbs to Live By" Lawrence M. Krauss.
And is AMAZING !!! BLEW MY MIND !!!
My initial thought during the discussion was that Dr. Peterson was trying to identify the precise cosmological moment at which chaos is first injected into the universe, but then the 1:25:00 point kicked in and we're talking about the religious impulse, scientific method, meaning, physics and a potential proto-framework for the Woke psychology. Fantastic stuff from both participants! Thank You
your comment saves me from switching off. it is the same thing he speaks about all the time at all this conferences does not say anything particularly interesting and giving opinion on topics that was not asked
No serious engagement with any of the best philosophers of religion.
I thought Peterson was mostly assessing Crazy Krauss's lefty liberal delusional, lofty, mindset and attitudes.. False humility that disrespects humanity mixed with conceited arrogance for himself and Science. Krauss is a proper nutter.
@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Krauss clueless and even worse he boasts about his ignorance. basically, if he does not know anything about it is not worth knowning. Philosophy and religion are useless in his worldview because he cannot test it. then comes up with his own framework which is equally untestable for finding purpose out of purposelessness
@@midnightwatchman1 I agree, although I’d qualify your use of “test” by adding the word “scientifically.” I think to an extent one can “test” the claims of natural theology with reason a la Josh Rasmussen, Ed Feser, David Bentley Hart, Rob Koons, etc
Love that quick little sympathetic smile on Peterson's face when Dr Krauss said his point couldn't get across in OxfordUnion debate because "they are all woke". 😁
more like a wry smile, it was fun.. ;)
Lol ...the festering sewer pit of mind controlling.
(Apparently lightning is the cure.)
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Sam Lorang 1:30:30
People like Krauss are the ones that made the way for the woke with all their meaningless BS. Krauss is such an idiot he doesn’t realize that without meaning you can’t compete evolutionarily. He’s one of the stupidest smart people I’ve ever heard.
I am in agreement with many of the comments here. This is without doubt one of the most interesting discussions ever posted on UA-cam.
Two great minds who are both able to articulate their particular views whilst keeping it respectful.
Another insightful discussion. Dr. Krauss explains science in a way that is real. It is pursuit of what is. reality. All the things we have learned on the way encourage us to continue. He has great faith.
wow... when there’s humility, there’s beauty! extraordinary men... thank you!
Fascinating conversation. I love watching Lawrence talk because he's always so energetic and enthusiastic. It was awesome to see Jordan matching that enthusiasm throughout the discussion.
hes antisocial and is disinterested by any ideas other than his own, never expanded on any points peterson made. Typical scientist bore imo.
He talks about so many things and says nothing.
Yeah I find it attractive to my brain to listen to people who are passionate about what they are aware of.
@@yamyoemerson2095 The problem is that science has turned into a religion of its own.
@@yamyoemerson2095 can you explain to me
the science that says there's more than two genders. Because that's the claim science is making today, is that a hypotheseis you're willing to subscribe to? Science has become scientism
I'm infinitely glad I'm living at this time in history, and I had the chance to watch this mind blowing discussion!
This is easily one of the best long form discussions I've watched in a long time. Really looking forward to their next meeting.
never thought i'd see this crossover but i'm so glad it exists!
Imagine Jordan and Neil Degrasse Tyson
@@szotakandrei in a perfect world
@@szotakandrei nah
Krauss is bauss
Shame Krauss couldn't listen for 2 seconds and actually have a conversation. It's sad that every public scientist seems to lack basic social skills.
I like dr Peterson trying to understand and most importantly how hungry he is to learn more about quantum physics. respect Sir ✊
In fact he fears the truth that there's no god. He Is worried for loosing his metaphoric substrate of his ethos ☝️😂
@@multiquantumwell I love Dr. Peterson, but he did not dare make those wishy-washy religious sophistry he usually employs in his pseudoscientific apologetics for Christianity. When it comes to psychology, and psychiatry, he is a truly gifted doctor and writer (also his cultural and ideological critique of modern culture).
I am a fan of Dr.Krauss thank you for hosting him.
Did you know he went to Epstein Island WAY more than once?
How did I miss this! This is going to be an excellent conversation!!!!
I love how many times i hear Peterson elaborate on one of Krauss's thoughts and you see this look of amazement, surprise and joy wash across his face as he agrees with what Peterson says
I think it is beyond expectation for someone like him to not only have the interviewer comprehend what you are saying but then follow up with relevant, interesting questions (outside of his colleagues, mean). It’s probably a breath of fresh air to take the training wheels off in conversation and to have the other person not get that glazed look in their eyes.
@@incognitomcde1360 100% I get similar satisfaction, although I’m listening and not engaging in the conversation.
“I’m tempted to take it in that direction, but I think I’m going to continue to torture you about the structure of the universe.” Couldn’t have said it better myself JP.
Well it seems like the temptation got to strong during the end ^^
I sort of like seeing the last honest priest of the Roman Empire bouncing around everybody else's temples and learning how everybody has the same 'gods'
Maybe one of you can tell me what WAS the direction that he was tempted to take it into? Maybe you can tell me what minute... I'd like to check out that point in time.
@@jjroseknows777 If I remember right, it was the realm of meaning and psychology, but he explicitly wanted to talk about science.
The parallels between physics and psychology at this level are astounding, but also perfectly logical.
Imagine you could go so far out of your field of expertise, and have such a deep conversation. Amazed.
Yes! Two magnificent leaders of two amazing fields collide; one explaining why and how behind human behavior (psychology), and the other one explaining why and how behind nature (physics). Why I love both! 🔥
Haven’t heard from Lawrence Krause since the Richard Dawkins era. Should be a good one.
Exactly
After William Lane Craig destroyed him in a debate, he kind of went away quietly.
@@zz4484 me too .😂 I see what you did there
@@stormhawk31 WLC is a formidable debater, in that he makes very effective use of rhetorical devices which can be hard to spot on the fly. However, his arguments are weak.
@@stormhawk31 William Lane Craig lost that debate😂😂
The scientific quest itself, as Krauss and Peterson outlay in their interaction, in itself is the archetypical hero's journey. There's something to wonder about, and why we human beings are fundamentally driven in that manner.
AWESOME CONVERSATION!! I ENJOYED THIS ONE SO MUCH!!
Great conversation. Looking forward to part two on Krauss’s podcast.
Krauss is a pea dough file and took Epstein's money and defended him.
If you're new, welcome. If you're not, welcome back.
He almost died of drug addiction and covid what a fucking hypocrite
@@meanwhileinsooke He took a medication that his doctor prescribed him, then kicked it when he realized how bad it was. He never claimed COVID wasn't a serious illness. What hypocrisy are you referring too?
Totally underestimated podcast. Absolutely fascinating.
And in previous podcasts sometimes I would feel like Peterson was "interrupting" his guest but in this podcast his questions were startlingly insightful and his enthusiasm only potentiated the responses of his guest.
Anyone reading the comments here, watch the whole podcast! Fascinating!
JP is back baby! So good to see him recovering!!
What happened to him?
I wonder how these men think, it's just incredible how they think and how they articulate their thoughts. Thank you for the content Dr Jordan Peterson.
Fascinating.. how much education you get from this. Thank you Jordan and Lawrence!
“You could say, ‘What good is a Beethoven symphony across the span of a trillion years?’ Well, none, but what good is posing that question?” -JBP
@Pinned by Jordan B Peterson really?? who's gonna fall for this?
Peterson is an idiot and nothing he says is nearly as profound as he makes it seem.
@@MarmaladeSally I don't think whether something is profound or not is absolute so I don't get your point.
@@MarmaladeSally while things he says may not be quite as profound as he implies, that does not automatically lead to, he's an idiot. Also, the profundity of most prose will be found inside the reader... which may sound pretentious, and I guarantee you Krauss can derive much more profound implication from E^2=m^2 × c^4 than you could ever imagine...
@@sohibmohamed9548 The point is valid though and JBP has discussed things like this before, that there are things science simply cant answer. That are outside of its purpose and ability.
So if you think science must be able to prove everything or it isnt worthy of consideration, then he has a point.
Its like if science cant recreate or understand love perfectly, does that mean it isnt real or meaningful?
You just disagree with the point, but it doesnt make him an idiot anymore than it makes you an idiot.
The excitement in Krauss's face. I really enjoyed this!
So much intellect between these two wonderful men. So much to learn.
The difference between someone that appreciates first principles and someone who doesn't. I applaud Lawrence Krauss on his patience here.
I’m really impressed by this conversation. I didn’t think those two would be a good pair.
Curious people usually are
When Peterson wants to learn something, he shuts up and listens.
I agree. Was thinking the same thing!
At the risk of sounding like a dick, I think you’re missing the word ‘think’ in this comment.
Just an amazing thing when super smart people get together.
Huge fan of both gentlemen on this episode, Jordan's proclivity to mass produce so many intriguing podcast talks one after another amazes me, and I chuckled with joy and interest of Lawrence's huge (and swift!)enthusiasm of explaining the laws of physics in here, which is of course remarkable. Thank you both so much for having enriched my life as well as many others!
Ditto! Aside the remarkable content & energy of the podast, it's truly enjoyable to witness how these two great minds enjoy talking to each other.
blow some more smoke up asses mate lol
@@jasonmckay8793 England lost and thats ok
It's conversations like this that UA-cam more of a global blessing than otherwise.
Wow, both of my intellectual heroes in one podcast! You guys should do public speaking events.
This was great, can't wait for the second meeting of these two.
Looking great Dr. Peterson!
Thank you for your amazing content 😎
Wow...I never really gave Krauss a chance before this interview, he's brilliant.
Great interview by Peterson, thank you 👏👏👏
lol, no, he's not.
Both of the gentlemen are providing a good case that living is actually based on a sense of comfortable outcome. When feeling okey you take it for granted but it's the only thing that you want when feeling bad. The substance of that hope is not the most essential but it is that there is a hope instead of hopelessness.
I’ve wished for this exact podcast for a few years now. THANK YOU
@Phil Stevens thank you Phil Stevens
This was amazing!! Looking forward to hearing them together on the Origins Podcast!!
Wow! I love Jordan Peterson. Such a great leader. Thank you. :)
To have an intelligent conversation with Krauss in his zone, is VERY impressive! JP is super intelligent. JP was channeling Dr Tyson!
Thank you Mr Peterson! You do understand the impact you make and I just wanted to say I truly appreciate what you do. Looking great
This should be interesting 🧐 I look forward to the next couple of hours! Thanks Jordan! I am going to get withdrawal symptoms if I don’t listen to you for more than a week!!
What an amazing conversation. I was so intrigued by their discussion about spirituality. I think we all would benefit from a continuation of that debate. Looking foward for their next encounter.
Enjoyable conversation. I appreciate you Mr. Peterson . The world needed you. Its fact to me that God and what he is is the beginning of the universe. Scientifically it is the only way possible. Your guest is corret in some part but not about God and the Beginning.