John Lennox | What Stephen Hawking got Wrong
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2023
- In this clip, John Lennox covers the limitations of science, the necessity of religion and Einstein and Hawking's views on the relationship between science and morality.
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The great irony of the statement "philosophy is dead" is that it is a philosophical statement, not a scientific one.
its not irony. Its contradiction.
@@jan6866 it's both.
@@SeraphsWitnessdefinitely a moist layer with many nuances
no, its an empirical observation.
@@matswessling6600 It's certainly not. It's a value judgment. With a metaphor to boot.
I knew a guy who graduated both philosophy and physics. He once mentioned that even if someone is considered a great scientist, if he doesn't understand or appreciate the philosophy of science, then he's just a technician.
I think you will find science can stand alone without "philosophy", it's not dependent on it!
and for theology, wow let's just mack up stuff we do not understand, John Lennox
is just wishing there is a god, has zero proof! unless you can prove the existence of a god.
We, humans, are storytelling apes, we have made up thousands of gods,
but John knows his, is the correct one, that's handy for him
Well put
One does not "graduate physics".
So tell us, what’s the philosophy of science?
@@yamahajapan5351
I tried linking you to the University of California at Berkeley page for Philosophy of Science, but apparently links are blocked here. Just search it and that page should be near the top.
Basically, it is understanding the process and logic of science (formerly known as ‘Natural Philosophy’) at a deeper level rather than focusing on the collection of facts and theories produced by it.
Basically the point (as I understand it) is that a technician knows how to work the machine and what the machine has done, but he doesn’t necessarily know how the machine works to any depth.
"Science clarifies facts but mystifies value" - Roger Scruton
Man, I miss him. The world could still use him that's for sure.
@@UnbeltedSundew Absolutely! What a loss
theism is a component of metaphysics - it does not rule it !
@@UnbeltedSundew is he dead?
Religion particularly christianity degrade humanity propagate dishonesty spreading the view that humans are born evil n have to be saved only by believing in the nonsense of jesus died for our 'sins'
Scientists have lost their humility and soon their humanity. Decent society needs science, philosophy, and theology.
And astrology.
Listen to old Bertrand Russell tapes and interviews. So relevant today.
@@beatonthedonisand homeopathy
And Alchemy 😮
And phrenology 🐨
So true, people seem to think that proof of the spiritual domain should be provable via investigations using the physical sciences. Such an approach is like attempting to diagnose a case of mental illness using a tape measure.
So, in essence, you believe in a universe where I can wave my magic wand and create piles of gold, palaces to live in, and have coffee appear in a cup in my hand at the exact temperature I like it. Santa Claus, Elves, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny all exist: we have positive evidence for proof! What we DON'T have, after some 250,000 years of human existence is one shred of evidence of a soul, spirits, a life after death, or one (or more) gods.
@@eriolduterion8855 Not true! Read "My Human Heart' by Ron Tesoriero. It's about an incredible Eucharistic miracle confirmed by various scientists on 4 different continents. It's about life growing from non life.The search for abiogenesis is over. Darwin has been proven wrong using his own words.
It's one thing to have a discussion, about science versus philosophy, when considering the likes of Einstein and Hawkins. However, many of today's 'scientists' have abandoned the scientific method, in order to support philosophical (and political) narratives. Frequently, they do so for personal gain, in some form. As such, they enter the philosophical realm, almost entirely. Many such examples clearly demonstrate the truth in Einstein's claim; scientists make rotten philosophers, if they deem to attempt the discipline.
This is just my opinion. It's not science.
Einstein in his 2013 paper...relativity has an "undeniable defect"...Epstein funded Hawkin
***IT IS JUST YOUR OPINION, scientists are also men or women for that matter, always science, philosophy, and mathematics even music or religion can come together.***
But that's what happens when you lie to yourself and the masses that philosophy is irrelevant. You enter a vacuum in which right or wrong is undefined...the very essential guideline for science to exist. That guideline is provided by philosophy
@@HisMaidservant That sounds odd. Why do you need a guidline for something to exist? How does philosophy give anything a value...it will always be arbitrary?
@@adelinomorte7421 I'm not sure how that relates to my opinion that many scientists have abandoned science for personal gain. Yes, they are human. My opinion, if correct, just proves that very point.
These things 'can' come together. I suppose fairy tales can come true, too. However, scientists should not concern themselves with what's morally right or wrong. Their function is to follow the scientific method and provide answers to questions. What to do with the answers, is for others to consider... Of course... "In my opinion".
I have long wondered how much of what Hawking said at the end was really from him and not from people controlling his computer.
Yeah =D
It was the windows log off noise
An interesting point, but I think if someone had hacked Hawking they would have bragged about it by now.
@@andrewbagguley8289 Possibly, but who knows, some secrets stay hidden for a long time
Very well put!
“Modern man denies himself every metaphysical dimension and considers himself a mere object of science. But he screams when they exterminate him as such.” -Nicolas Gomez Davila
Ironically, it is a lack of reason/irrationality which leads people to being exterminated.
Profound thought considering in the era of trans-humanist agendas we live in; human is to become a product of technology.
This quote is totally wrong. Like flat earth wrong.
Modern man has left the fairy tale delusions of the old religion metaphysical attempt. A somewhat okay idea in the iron age.
Modern man considers himself nothing like what this quote is suggesting. We aint dat daft. We work on or wait till, a sense making explanation, some new concept comes along. I am not science. Science is not a new religion. It is only a much better way to go than old fairy myths. Cold hard facts are better for the human psyche than warm, cuddly mystery tales with miracles and pregnant virgins.
And when man screams because he is terminated.... well, that has nothing to do with anything of the before mentioned. Some dudes scream, some dont. Thats personal character.
What the religious zealots dont understand is : christianity has had 2ooo years to make a point and to prosper. It lead us to WW 1. And to WW 2. The experiment is over.
Only an idiot keeps on trying.
An intelligent person knows when an ecpetiment clearly has not succeeded. If you are honest...
@@gwangjuboy1 Would you include the holocaust in that?
Thank you for these.
John Lennox is incomparable. I am always delighted to hear his thoughts on any topic. Mad respect for him. Succinct logic and brilliant creativity all rolled into one mind.
This only demonstrates, that you don‘t know what logic is. He uses rhetoric tricks and logical fallacies like the argument from authority, but says little of substance.
Yes, he is incomparable, indeed - It is unbelievable that a mathematician says such nonsense.
Superb! I have just subscribed.
What a succinct and strong argument. Very refreshing to hear this! And carries so much more gravity coming from a professor of mathematics at Oxford.
He isn't jus a professor. he is an apologists. Apologists lie and twist things to form a narrative of their belief. Nothing about science there. Just snake oil salesmen.
😂
I'm glad there's people like John Lennex in the scientific community that can put it back on the right track when needed. God bless him. 🙏
Except Lennox is not and never has been part of the scientific community.
He was a mathematician before his faith caused him to focus on deliberately misrepresenting science in to defend his beliefs. This is interesting because math is the only area in which proofs exist and yet he speaks of what his personal religious beliefs tell him as if they are facts. They are not.
@@Outspoken.Humanist Ok, have it your way atheist. Yea, sure, deny God exists until judgement day.
@@lukefriesenhahn8186sib, Ngl- that was a bit rough to say??
They’re unsure/lost.
Please don’t threaten/talk down to your siblings that you’re meant to help.
Yeshua came in love and understanding, and felt compassion for everyone- including those he wasn’t sent specifically for at the time.
As for Outspoken- I don’t know where you stand on the matter of faith. But I hope that you’ve at least given it an open minded chance-
And if not, I recommend beginning in the New Testament (book of Matthew) to get the “TLDR” of Gods main message.
My best to both of you, take care and God bless you both.
@@Outspoken.Humanist Can you speak English coherently?
@@yeshuaislord6880 I believe my grasp of the language is adequate for any analysis of a You Tube video or for commenting thereafter. Why?
Do you have a point to make or do you think that your question conveys some sense of superiority?
Or perhaps you simply prefer to mock anyone who doesn't agree with you,rather than entering into a civil discourse.
Brilliant mind, very though provoking. Would like to hear him again.
Thomas Sowell: Great book, 'Intellectuals and Society ' aids with understanding what this conversation is about.
Hawkin sounds like he conflates wisdom with intellect
Mr. Anderson thank you for the awesome material you're posting here on UA-cam. You're like so wow
On. Point. Thank you!
Brilliant as always. ❤
Yes, he's a good salesman.
I love Dr. John Lennox, such an intelligent and accomplished man, who believes in God👏 A national treasure
If he didn't believe in your lie you wouldn't be saying he's a brilliant man....... Biased liar much 😂
what god name IT and god is not a name is it!
@@seanpittaway5341 Angry at God much?
Which one?
@@seanpittaway5341He would not be brilliant if he did not believe in God because as scripture says in Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Reliance on logical fallacies and intellectually insulting sophistry is unpersuasive.
*"As long as people believe in absurdities, people will commit atrocities." -- Voltaire*
He's quite right and it was very well said.
I love how John used other peoples words to form his arguments. That is genius!
Can't tell if you're kidding or not.
John Lennox knows he is correct because god told him, I guess, how smug is that.
You can twist words around and fool some people, you will find them in church.
. . . you find fools everywhere. When I was an alcoholic, the pubs were full of them .
Another word for them is humans
@@JontheBereanAmen to that.... and we've *all* been guilty of it too! 😂
Apologetics is what thats called btw.
It only matters what he did
Philosophy is what is possible.
Science is what is probable.
Truth is a perception of fact.
Alignment of probability results in reality.
Glad to educate
Those men must have 8 foot arms to access those glasses of water.
So good!
To elaborate part: 3:23 "science dont answer these questions" but questions remain as a fact. On which everyone must fill in their life somehow. Not something that's some vague idea but needed in life.
These tools like philosophy and even religion/theology are as concrete as science as man is not living outside them. Humans anyway do use these tools, but being incompetent on them is causing craziness that we see rising.
Science and theology do not contradict each other, they complement each other. We need both. They answer different questions.
Yes, one of my very favorite statements about one of our major deities is: "When Brahman ceases to dream, the world will pass."
come on... science and theology are opposites.
@@matswessling6600 come on… they answer completely different questions! If you are seeking answers to: How should you live? What is the meaning of life? What is moral? How should you treat people? What is the nature of God and what are your responsibilities to Him? Ask theology. If you want to know: What is the speed of light? What are human metabolic pathways? Why do the planets move the way they do? What causes a supernova? Ask science. Theology and science don’t contradict because they address completely different problems.
@@matswessling6600then please read the scientific fact in Job 26:7 when for centuries people held various views about how the earth was suspended, until the 1960s this scripture was proven true.
@@paullittle5200 You are combing through a thousand pages of text trying to cherry-pick one passage that sounds vaguely scientific to pretend like it was some prophetic prediction and ignoring the fact it is surrounded by countless passages of false descriptions of the world.
It's kinda sad... that it takes a brilliant Mathematician to state the obvious... and something any person with any amount of humble honesty and any amount of independant thinking can clearly see... God help us.
This is brilliant and I feel I’ve seen smacks of this in the book Pnin by Nabokov
Einstein also said, “Religion without Science is Blind… and Science without Religion is Lame.”
Source?
I can listen to Dr Lennox endlessly 🙏🏼
It just seems endless.
I bet you can listen to Joe Biden endlessly too....
@@StevenCookFXLennox can keep a sentence and understands arguments that don’t just support his beliefs. He doesn’t operate like a politician. You’re slow
@@landonlunceford3939 it is _you_ who seems slow
Love it. Absolutely loved this segment. Wow!
His outside reflected his inside.
She blinded me with science--Thomas Dolby
I was in a graduate seminar with a highly regarded professor of the Philosophy of Science (atheist). Students asked, "Have you read A History of Time?"
"No," came the answer, "I read the first few pages and his philosophy of science was so ridiculous that I couldn't continue."
I was shocked. So I read the book.
Prof was right. Absolutely ridiculous.
Einstein was right. The man of science is often a poor philosopher.
The more science discover the more questions needs answers. Science is not an end in itself it's a means to transcend into metaphysics; which is ultimately more important to human experience.
When are you turning in your computer, car, and cell phone? And I insist that you continue taking baths, and using the proper sanitary facilities.
@@eriolduterion8855 well my friend humanity was built without our technology. I can leave without any technology and still be immensely happy and with more faith. The people in the streets lives at the margin of technology and the keeps on going. They have more humanity and are more believers in God and practice charity among everyone than one us living in comfort.
1:53 - brilliant
Would like to hear JL with Iain McGilchrist on brain function etc.
The arguments about the limits and foundations of science as well as the nature of philosophy are excellent. Both quotes from Einstein's sayings are also amazing. Karl Jaspers has written about the philosophical questions that a child can ask and science cannot answer:
Diese Philosophie ohne Wissenschaft vergegenwärtigen wir an einigen merkwürdigen Erscheinungen:
Erstens: In philosophischen Dingen hält sich fast jeder für urteilsfähig. Während man anerkennt, daß in den Wissenschaften Lernen, Schulung, Methode Beedingung des Versändnisses sei, erhebt man in bezug auf die Phiosphie den Anspruch, ohne weiteres dabei zu sein und mitereden zu können…
Zweitens: Das Philosophische Denken muß jederzeit ursprüglich sein. Jeder Mensch muß es selber vollziehen.
Karl Jaspers: Einführung in die Philosophie R. Riper & Co. Verlag 1971
Philosopers use German because it is a complex written language . The harder an argument is to understand the better they think they are doing. Actually, childlike stupidity.
Neil deGrasse Tyson :- "The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."
Or why anyone would take him more seriously than the ever convincing Dr Lennox.
Well its not a competition by Neil is one of the most accomplished astrophysicist, Dr Lennox is mathematician. Nowhere close to Stephen Hawking or Neil respectfully, he's better at philosophy @@kevinwhelan9607
but we (i include people of all faiths and no faiths) still wonder, or should wonder, who or what is the Master Source? I mean it's only a natural human reaction to ask where we came from and where we are going? or are some too intellectually lazy to underthink such matters.
What has NDT ever actually done?
@@SilverSurfer5150Celebrity scientist I reckon
Well said
The last 5 years of Steven's utterances were not his. They were those of his handlers, mouthing what his university wanted to be said.
I have meet some really smart scientists and doctors in my time but when it come to philosophy and wisdom they have not got a clue.
I have many testimonies of The Lords work in my life.
Unfortunately there is no platform dedicated to we the people who have those testimonies. And we have even forgotten how to talk face-to-face like we did for 5,000 years. I appreciate your comment❤.
@@DavidFuller2036 God bless you and your family David
praying you heal from your delusions of granduer.
well said
Meaning just something we assume, that has no existence in reality. Except in our minds.
So cogent, so succinct, so, so true.
Lennox is a treasure
he's a f@rt in the wind
Here is a quote from a Werner Heisenberg, whom I know nothing about, but I like this particular quote in regards to what Dr. Lennox said: "The first gulp from the glass of Natural Sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."
Well said... The true meaning of life is not a physics problem to be solved.... Philosophy and faith are far more attuned to the meaning and purpose of life. Our love and respect for one another and all living things says it best... God's love goes where we go... let it flow... let it flow.
Oh really 🤔 please elaborate and explain just what philosophy and faith tell us about the meaning and purpose of life ?
@@trumpbellend6717It's literally all in the Bible.
@@timothyyoung4463
Lol care to elaborate dear, or is this the limit of your profound informative input ? 🤭😂🤣
@@trumpbellend6717 Did you need me to write it in a different language? What part of "In the Bible" was too difficult to understand?
The more I turn my back on science and technology and enjoy a cup of tea in the woods, the more I appreciate life and what God gave us.
Technology yes, but isn't the woods a part of science ? Just asking ?
@@doug3819 the woods was always there, even before humans populated the earth
your parents gave you life, not God
@@doug3819 No
@@bruha321 Who created Adam and Eve? Smart ar$$
It's amazing that someone as brilliant as Hawking could be so blind regarding his own assumptions. The scientific method is nothing more than a tool, used to examine physical things. To believe that it can explain ultimate things is the make the most fundamental category mistake.
Indeed, it makes one feel better about one self.
Its amazing that you who have no idea about Stephen Hawking are blind and don't realize that Lennox is not representing him properly.
Just because science can't answer certain questions, doesn't mean that philosophy or religion can by default. The reality is that the scientific method is an incredible tool for achieving certain aims whereas philosophy and religion are pathetic tools for answering the kind of questions for which they are intended
Interesting that he specified that it’s only “the natural sciences” that can’t answer the question of meaning. Is he implying that the social sciences can? Why only the natural sciences?
Hobbes' Leviathan & Dawkins' Selfish Memes do a pretty good job of explaining where a moral compass comes from and the prisoner's dilemma adds where an immoral one comes from.
We have to call out 'SCIENTISM' wherever we find it; because it is a 'religious' and ideological form of science which is deeply unhealthy for humanity. Often it is easy to spot: its practitioners and 'believers' will often preface the noun 'science' with the Definite Article, 'THE'. Ask yourself whether you would accept a politician, or a religious zealot, telling you that he/she has 'THE' truth on a particular matter; and you will realise the problem. Whenever we hear "THE science is settled", our BS-Detectors should be on full alert!
But the same must be applied to The Faithful 🐨
@@CR-yd4qe I hope I have said as much, above!
@@Mark_Dyer1 you are quite correct, l over looked the “zealot” bit. 🙈
follow the science blind followers, you can always trust a scientist, or a banker, they never get it wrong! @@CR-yd4qe
***religion and science are 2 different things, religion is based on a believe and science is based on a reasoning. There are many religions with their own mythology, no matter in what they believe; in science there are always a methodology and no limits for the interests, even "religion" is one subject that can be an interest for science. The high grade for a scientist is a "PHD" that means "DOCTOR IN PHILOSOPHY" and philosophy means "friend of knowledge".***
Thank you , Please keep speaking many more need to hear the truth
I hope that science declaring philosophy and religion obsolete beware not to confiscate the empty spots for themselves..
Mathew 18:3 unless you change and become like little children, you can not enter/ see the kingdom of God. Amazing, this is true to this day. Humility, forgiveness, reverence.
Depends on how science as a meaningful concept is defined, how its limits are determined and its methods are developed. A strictly empirical science is per definition of those limits incapable of extrapolating its own field and applicable methods to all others, and even less as to what would count as limits of delineation, not to speak of how they all make sense together. Hawking simply uses the word science in a mythical way as if such could exist in an a-temporal and a-historical vacuum. Just watching a few episodes of any Star Trek series from our point of view today, shows up any illusions of science as a unified, prephilosophical and abstract activity. I daresay that like most theologians, most empirical scientists will not have heard of Immanuel Kant, leave alone having read and understood his Critiques of the limits of reason and perception.
Science should always question itself as its inspirational and querying basis (and just for something new to do, solve and explore) when it doesn't it can quickly and far too easily just become a self-serving (and often dehumanised) cult.
***if science do not question itself, it is your duty start question science and becoming a scientist|***
"Inspiration" for science should only be curiosity, to find out what we don't know yet.
What other or better "basis" for researching reality do we need?
And who or what should science serve? The government like Dr. Mengele did in Auschwitz or Robert Oppenheimer in Los Alamos?
Both examples of bringing the worst results for the human society the first in the fields of ethics and moral and the later in the field of handing horrific weapons to horrific people.
I naturally like this man for his knowledge, but the containment of "meaning" to the region of religion, could I think have been expanded and balanced in a better way. Unless of course his opinion binds him to that seemingly traditional belief. Then I would say he was wrong.
Could not your opinion be wrong?
@@71Chris of course, that's a value of philosophy
Philosophy never dies, its one take of feeling of circumstance according to the so called problem of the time.
Hawking making that statement actually proves that great intellect can also put blinders on one's thinking; "philosophy" translates as "love of knowledge." Even those scientists who seem the most enamoured by "Scientism," are so *because* they love knowledge, *and* the pursuit of it. It's precisely why they got into their fields in the first place, Hawking included!
This makes them "philosophers" by definition and are in part responsible for keeping the love of knowledge alive in modern day humanity!
Hawking really dropped a ball with that statement 😂
There is no pathway from “what is” to “what it should be”.
I’d prefer to stick with the scientific method where we are slowly attempting to understand the world we occupy versus some clergymen who are are so confident they know the answer while they disagree amongst themselves.
Besides, without the fear of some eternal punishment, nobody would care whether a god exits or not.
They disagree amongst themselves because some of them want to be in favor of the world and some of them want to be in favor of God.
Philosophy is not dead. Most humans are.
This man's spittin' fax
You are you and life has only the meaning that you give to it.
Please read the book by late French Dr Maurice Bucaille on:
The Bible, The Quran, and Science...
He addressed this issue in his book back in 1976.
I met him personally in his lecture at MIT in Boston around 1986/1987.
He has another book published in 1982 under the name:
The Origin of Man?
Let's just add that Einstein read a book about a Dutch phylosopher when he was in university, "The Ethics" by Spinoza. He said that this book was the most impactful book that he read, when Eisntein make reference to God, it was the God of Spinoza, his cosmic religiosity (can be assimilated to a form of Pantheism).
pantheism is a wild goose chase. There is a Master Source for everything and we owe it to ourselves to search deeply for it.
***note that GOD is spirit, and one attribute for a spirit is "TIME AND SPACE" has no meaning. The way I see it anyway!***
@@boxingfan8274 I was careful by saying "can be assimilated", my comment was informative, that's it.
@@adelinomorte7421I believe you assume to much. An omnipotent all knowing God could or would be more than spirit or physical. Beyond comprehension. We like to categorize and define and I don't believe we have the capacity to put God in a bottle to be examined and analyzed.
I've often wondered what Einstein's beliefs were other than the sciences.
A genius in one field is ignorant of most others.
Gbu Dr
You should play the game Scorn, this topic of science (genetic biology) vs philosophy is deeply embedded within the game play.
I'm a jack of all trades , its a good place to be.
Trust in the Lord Jesus, knowing Him better will increase your love for Him and from that place increase your love for people
Thank you John Lennox for all you say and do for God
❤️✝️🙏
Intelligence does not equal wisdom.
Stephen Hawkings will remembered long after John Lennox and his clinging belief in an invisible man in the sky.
The one thing I learned about Hawking was that he was an “atheist” who also believed in evolution as depicted by Darwin.
Most intellectual people have no psychological common sense, of which ergo they have no real understanding of reality.
But since his “handicap” opened many doors for him, he used his time to push the limits of his intellectual capacity.
Glory To The Triune GOD
Hawking got so much wrong. I don't suppose he ever even HEARD of Socrates. At least, if he did, he can't have learned from him. Hawking, like so many celebrities, seems to have decided that since he was famous, he knew everything about everything. He knew math -- and that's about it. But he made pronouncements about subjects that were far removed from his area of expertise.
He was envious of real philosophers.
@@martam4142 how do you think you know this? How much of Hawking’s work have you read? It’s none isn’t it?
An interesting exercise is to go down a long list of items and categorize them as either Concrete or Abstract. Sometimes it takes a second's thought but everything falls into one of these categories. You'll find that the abstract is every bit as real as the concrete although a scientists cannot measure it. You'll also find that the most important things are abstract. Hawking seemingly missed that point because his own agenda got in the way. Science is a subset of philosophy.
even hawkings disavowed blackholes before he died
I wouldn't want something like that in my house either. That could make
holes in you carpet.
"In all of human history, the supernatural has never turned out to be the right answer to anything: Natural explanations of phenomena have replaced supernatural ones thousands upon thousands of times, while supernatural explanations have replaced natural ones exactly never." -- Greta Christina
Sez her
It's why I wonder why people ever point to things not yet understood as some reason for a religious proof.
@@killpop8255 We do point out some historical evidence quite frequently though, I can talk to you if you want to talk about it. Or I could just directly send you some video links of historical stuff. Not saying it'll convince you, but maybe it'll change your opinion on certain things. If you don't want to, I completely understand, you're probably tired or something, I'd rather not make assumptions. It's your choice.
@@humanitysenterprise Hi, at the moment I'd just like to know who 'we' is? ("We do point out...") And I suppose what things you point out and for what reason?
What an incredible individual. Hope you are well Dr. Lennox.
Perhaps Mr. Hawkins was working on a secret project in London UK with some other renowned names and as it is secret (Classified File) could not speak out. Philosophy. he would have known, is coming to an end and there is a reason for this. Perhaps the end has started and as this is typed the end becomes commonly known in less that 15 years.
Education is going down faster than the speed of light
He is so right, scientists rarely if ever teach morals because they are afraid it would allow God's foot into the door!
Which god?
@@yamahajapan5351 the ancient God of the bible Jehovah
Oh snap!
@@classicaldeb it's a battle to get people to recognize that name today
I dont think that scientists are afraid about that as many or maybe most scientists have like LaPlace said: "No need for the hypothesis of any divine being".
Moral is and should be the field of social science. What are the "best rules" for a human society to function and flourish. No place for morals in chemistry, physics, geology and mathematics.
Probably biology and more precise human biology and medicine should take moral issues into account as theis research subjects have rights and desires on their own which must be respected.
Morality is that which serves us best in maintaining our society.
What did Stephen Hawking eat for breakfast?
His shoulder. 😂
I can say that because I'm disabled.
Philosophy is ever present, as we struggle with the large questions of existence. Extrapolating that to the Bible and Christianity is a huge stretch though.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him shall not perish but have life everlasting . I didn’t learn this in a science class but it carried me through tough times. Jesus lives.
Well...... he didnt give his forgotten son. As the jesus dude resurrected, he clearly aint dead. Nobody was sacrificed. Judas, son of a saloon poker card trick player, only was checking on the truth value of all the good gospel preaching. He betrayed Jesus, but only to make him go throught the Siegfried & Roy moves. It worked like a charm. Sweet.
Jesus, the only forgotten son, did his thing. But: problem ! ...he didnt teach long enough. Well, doesnt matter. In the second coming, when God sends his only daughter, she will explain the rest and clean up this mess.
Just hang on. Women have more patience.
Life everlasting??
Boy , you cant even explain what that means.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
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Nagarjuna's Tetralemma
The purpose of philosophy is to discover reality. Science is only a brunch of philosophy.
Does the brunch offer Socratic waffles and Aristotlelian pancakes?
@@christophermcdonald5306 the brunch of philosophy has chicken and the eggs 😮
No.
Reality is.
Philosophy sorts outs ways of looking at it. For those people who cannot quite grasp that Reality just is.
Science is only a way to see how stuff works and find what it is made of.
Religion gives answers for those who love fairy tales. Disney does the same.
Religion is an art. Big show business
That was just Hawking's arrogance talking.
Science can answer how, but not why.
This is the limit.
True, science is limited but it's not afraid to answer ''I don't know'' to many questions, instead pf pretending of knowing and the inquiry still goes on. We don't know everything, probably we'll never will but look how much nonsense has been dispelled by science.
I'm sure Mr. Hawking isn't denying God right now. Just saying.
I'm sure there's no longer a thought in his decomposing head. Just saying.
@@bruha321 Believe it or not, the statement you just said doesn't go against religion. There are literally no thoughts in his decomposing head.
Pure arrogance.
You religious folk, you love your threats, don’t you?
Science takes things apart while religion puts them together... such powerful aha moments
It is what is known as a 'deepity'. That is, something which sounds profound but, when analysed, means absolutely nothing.
Firstly, science doesn't take anything apart, it seeks facts. Second, religion is merely the organised exploitation of personal belief. Beliefs that may be comforting and might even be true but can never be demonstrated to be factual.
@@Outspoken.Humanist did you really watched/listen to what he said? or do you even know what science often do especially with data analysis? as a psychology major I easily saw his point--taking things apart means being able to distinguish the complexities as in like dissecting things, being able to see what happens with what (and their structures/composition), and it's quite the same with the ever hard diagnosing of mental issues which is why we have the ever upgrading DSM.
Regarding religion putting things together, it's like science that connects the dots but it's more "metaphysical" law of causality and praxeology--there's no religion that's very close to science than Christianity itself (Eastern Orthodoxy due to medicine/charity for the sick although it's more on at least due to Roman Catholicism and Protestantism) because of that "taking things apart," especially with the Logos culture, that truth or factual thinking which is somehow what was bestowed with Adam in Genesis that is being able to tell things (animals) apart.
@@aljonserna5598 I did listen, just as I have listened to him on a number of occasions, two of them in person. His avuncular style conceals a dedication to his religion which affects his thinking in every area and which leaves him unable or perhaps just unwilling to accept that beliefs are not facts.
Thank you for explaining that you are a Christian and a psychology major. I hope your studies are going well.
As a 65 year old historian specialising in religion, I'm sure you will understand that I have a somewhat different perspective.
Theistic religions do not "connect the dots". They merely pretend to. They offer comfort and supposed explanations for the creation and management of the universe but no religion has ever been able to demonstrate that any of the large claims they all make are in any way true. Adherents may feel better through their beliefs and practices but that can only be connecting the dots if those beliefs are true i.e. factual.
Whilst the work in medicine and charity done by the Orthodox churches is indeed admirable, it is in no way unique. For example, charity is one of the pillars of the Islamic religion. Both of these groups is utterly convinced that the other is wrong.
Science is simply a process for seeking answers. Religions claim to already possess those answers but they cannot provide anything to demonstrate the truth of that claim.
We might also keep in mind that before religion lost the power to command and enforce its will, Christianity and Islam saw no need to justify themselves or offer alternative explanations. Everyone either toed the line or were persecuted and often killed.
AHA . . . . But what....
Religion only puts things together when you accept lame fairy tales as a good convincing answer.
@@Outspoken.Humanistof course science takes things apart.
Philosophy is inevitable.