John Lennox | What Stephen Hawking got Wrong

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  • Опубліковано 9 тра 2023
  • In this clip, John Lennox covers the limitations of science, the necessity of religion and Einstein and Hawking's views on the relationship between science and morality.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 931

  • @SeraphsWitness
    @SeraphsWitness 10 місяців тому +128

    The great irony of the statement "philosophy is dead" is that it is a philosophical statement, not a scientific one.

    • @jan6866
      @jan6866 10 місяців тому +4

      its not irony. Its contradiction.

    • @SeraphsWitness
      @SeraphsWitness 10 місяців тому +8

      @@jan6866 it's both.

    • @Reg_The_Galah
      @Reg_The_Galah 10 місяців тому

      @@SeraphsWitnessdefinitely a moist layer with many nuances

    • @matswessling6600
      @matswessling6600 10 місяців тому

      no, its an empirical observation.

    • @SeraphsWitness
      @SeraphsWitness 10 місяців тому +3

      @@matswessling6600 It's certainly not. It's a value judgment. With a metaphor to boot.

  • @EliAbramzon
    @EliAbramzon 10 місяців тому +253

    I knew a guy who graduated both philosophy and physics. He once mentioned that even if someone is considered a great scientist, if he doesn't understand or appreciate the philosophy of science, then he's just a technician.

    • @gknight4719
      @gknight4719 10 місяців тому

      I think you will find science can stand alone without "philosophy", it's not dependent on it!
      and for theology, wow let's just mack up stuff we do not understand, John Lennox
      is just wishing there is a god, has zero proof! unless you can prove the existence of a god.
      We, humans, are storytelling apes, we have made up thousands of gods,
      but John knows his, is the correct one, that's handy for him

    • @Globeguy1337
      @Globeguy1337 10 місяців тому +9

      Well put

    • @jamesarnette1394
      @jamesarnette1394 10 місяців тому +6

      One does not "graduate physics".

    • @yamahajapan5351
      @yamahajapan5351 10 місяців тому +2

      So tell us, what’s the philosophy of science?

    • @Globeguy1337
      @Globeguy1337 10 місяців тому

      @@yamahajapan5351
      I tried linking you to the University of California at Berkeley page for Philosophy of Science, but apparently links are blocked here. Just search it and that page should be near the top.
      Basically, it is understanding the process and logic of science (formerly known as ‘Natural Philosophy’) at a deeper level rather than focusing on the collection of facts and theories produced by it.
      Basically the point (as I understand it) is that a technician knows how to work the machine and what the machine has done, but he doesn’t necessarily know how the machine works to any depth.

  • @domkane30
    @domkane30 Рік тому +242

    "Science clarifies facts but mystifies value" - Roger Scruton

    • @UnbeltedSundew
      @UnbeltedSundew Рік тому +10

      Man, I miss him. The world could still use him that's for sure.

    • @domkane30
      @domkane30 Рік тому +4

      @@UnbeltedSundew Absolutely! What a loss

    • @haydenwalton2766
      @haydenwalton2766 Рік тому

      theism is a component of metaphysics - it does not rule it !

    • @skepticaliam5857
      @skepticaliam5857 11 місяців тому

      @@UnbeltedSundew is he dead?

    • @tongleekwan1324
      @tongleekwan1324 10 місяців тому

      Religion particularly christianity degrade humanity propagate dishonesty spreading the view that humans are born evil n have to be saved only by believing in the nonsense of jesus died for our 'sins'

  • @daffidkane8350
    @daffidkane8350 Рік тому +464

    Scientists have lost their humility and soon their humanity. Decent society needs science, philosophy, and theology.

    • @beatonthedonis
      @beatonthedonis Рік тому +5

      And astrology.

    • @ThePablo1961
      @ThePablo1961 Рік тому +9

      Listen to old Bertrand Russell tapes and interviews. So relevant today.

    • @CR-yd4qe
      @CR-yd4qe 11 місяців тому

      @@beatonthedonisand homeopathy

    • @CR-yd4qe
      @CR-yd4qe 11 місяців тому +2

      And Alchemy 😮

    • @CR-yd4qe
      @CR-yd4qe 11 місяців тому +3

      And phrenology 🐨

  • @stephken8077
    @stephken8077 10 місяців тому +18

    So true, people seem to think that proof of the spiritual domain should be provable via investigations using the physical sciences. Such an approach is like attempting to diagnose a case of mental illness using a tape measure.

    • @eriolduterion8855
      @eriolduterion8855 10 місяців тому +1

      So, in essence, you believe in a universe where I can wave my magic wand and create piles of gold, palaces to live in, and have coffee appear in a cup in my hand at the exact temperature I like it. Santa Claus, Elves, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny all exist: we have positive evidence for proof! What we DON'T have, after some 250,000 years of human existence is one shred of evidence of a soul, spirits, a life after death, or one (or more) gods.

    • @denzilpenbirthy5028
      @denzilpenbirthy5028 10 місяців тому

      @@eriolduterion8855 Not true! Read "My Human Heart' by Ron Tesoriero. It's about an incredible Eucharistic miracle confirmed by various scientists on 4 different continents. It's about life growing from non life.The search for abiogenesis is over. Darwin has been proven wrong using his own words.

  • @AnthonyKellett
    @AnthonyKellett Рік тому +127

    It's one thing to have a discussion, about science versus philosophy, when considering the likes of Einstein and Hawkins. However, many of today's 'scientists' have abandoned the scientific method, in order to support philosophical (and political) narratives. Frequently, they do so for personal gain, in some form. As such, they enter the philosophical realm, almost entirely. Many such examples clearly demonstrate the truth in Einstein's claim; scientists make rotten philosophers, if they deem to attempt the discipline.
    This is just my opinion. It's not science.

    • @lesseirgpapers9245
      @lesseirgpapers9245 10 місяців тому

      Einstein in his 2013 paper...relativity has an "undeniable defect"...Epstein funded Hawkin

    • @adelinomorte7421
      @adelinomorte7421 10 місяців тому +2

      ***IT IS JUST YOUR OPINION, scientists are also men or women for that matter, always science, philosophy, and mathematics even music or religion can come together.***

    • @HisMaidservant
      @HisMaidservant 10 місяців тому +4

      But that's what happens when you lie to yourself and the masses that philosophy is irrelevant. You enter a vacuum in which right or wrong is undefined...the very essential guideline for science to exist. That guideline is provided by philosophy

    • @lesseirgpapers9245
      @lesseirgpapers9245 10 місяців тому +2

      @@HisMaidservant That sounds odd. Why do you need a guidline for something to exist? How does philosophy give anything a value...it will always be arbitrary?

    • @AnthonyKellett
      @AnthonyKellett 10 місяців тому

      @@adelinomorte7421 I'm not sure how that relates to my opinion that many scientists have abandoned science for personal gain. Yes, they are human. My opinion, if correct, just proves that very point.
      These things 'can' come together. I suppose fairy tales can come true, too. However, scientists should not concern themselves with what's morally right or wrong. Their function is to follow the scientific method and provide answers to questions. What to do with the answers, is for others to consider... Of course... "In my opinion".

  • @christophertaylor9100
    @christophertaylor9100 10 місяців тому +16

    I have long wondered how much of what Hawking said at the end was really from him and not from people controlling his computer.

    • @alvideos2145
      @alvideos2145 10 місяців тому

      Yeah =D

    • @Incubyss
      @Incubyss 10 місяців тому +1

      It was the windows log off noise

    • @andrewbagguley8289
      @andrewbagguley8289 10 місяців тому +2

      An interesting point, but I think if someone had hacked Hawking they would have bragged about it by now.

    • @christophertaylor9100
      @christophertaylor9100 10 місяців тому

      @@andrewbagguley8289 Possibly, but who knows, some secrets stay hidden for a long time

  • @HisMaidservant
    @HisMaidservant 10 місяців тому +15

    Very well put!

  • @benh.92
    @benh.92 Рік тому +33

    “Modern man denies himself every metaphysical dimension and considers himself a mere object of science. But he screams when they exterminate him as such.” -Nicolas Gomez Davila

    • @gwangjuboy1
      @gwangjuboy1 Рік тому +1

      Ironically, it is a lack of reason/irrationality which leads people to being exterminated.

    • @gideonros2705
      @gideonros2705 10 місяців тому

      Profound thought considering in the era of trans-humanist agendas we live in; human is to become a product of technology.

    • @crockmans1386
      @crockmans1386 10 місяців тому

      This quote is totally wrong. Like flat earth wrong.
      Modern man has left the fairy tale delusions of the old religion metaphysical attempt. A somewhat okay idea in the iron age.
      Modern man considers himself nothing like what this quote is suggesting. We aint dat daft. We work on or wait till, a sense making explanation, some new concept comes along. I am not science. Science is not a new religion. It is only a much better way to go than old fairy myths. Cold hard facts are better for the human psyche than warm, cuddly mystery tales with miracles and pregnant virgins.
      And when man screams because he is terminated.... well, that has nothing to do with anything of the before mentioned. Some dudes scream, some dont. Thats personal character.
      What the religious zealots dont understand is : christianity has had 2ooo years to make a point and to prosper. It lead us to WW 1. And to WW 2. The experiment is over.
      Only an idiot keeps on trying.
      An intelligent person knows when an ecpetiment clearly has not succeeded. If you are honest...

    • @TitusCastiglione1503
      @TitusCastiglione1503 10 місяців тому

      ⁠@@gwangjuboy1 Would you include the holocaust in that?

  • @ENFPerspectives
    @ENFPerspectives Рік тому +4

    Thank you for these.

  • @hapennysparrow
    @hapennysparrow 10 місяців тому +15

    John Lennox is incomparable. I am always delighted to hear his thoughts on any topic. Mad respect for him. Succinct logic and brilliant creativity all rolled into one mind.

    • @janradtke8318
      @janradtke8318 10 місяців тому +3

      This only demonstrates, that you don‘t know what logic is. He uses rhetoric tricks and logical fallacies like the argument from authority, but says little of substance.

    • @rainerausdemspring3584
      @rainerausdemspring3584 10 місяців тому +3

      Yes, he is incomparable, indeed - It is unbelievable that a mathematician says such nonsense.

  • @philiplewis7252
    @philiplewis7252 10 місяців тому +2

    Superb! I have just subscribed.

  • @DanSirGalahad
    @DanSirGalahad 10 місяців тому +28

    What a succinct and strong argument. Very refreshing to hear this! And carries so much more gravity coming from a professor of mathematics at Oxford.

    • @StevenCookFX
      @StevenCookFX 10 місяців тому

      He isn't jus a professor. he is an apologists. Apologists lie and twist things to form a narrative of their belief. Nothing about science there. Just snake oil salesmen.

    • @matswessling6600
      @matswessling6600 10 місяців тому

      😂

  • @lukefriesenhahn8186
    @lukefriesenhahn8186 10 місяців тому +89

    I'm glad there's people like John Lennex in the scientific community that can put it back on the right track when needed. God bless him. 🙏

    • @Outspoken.Humanist
      @Outspoken.Humanist 10 місяців тому +5

      Except Lennox is not and never has been part of the scientific community.
      He was a mathematician before his faith caused him to focus on deliberately misrepresenting science in to defend his beliefs. This is interesting because math is the only area in which proofs exist and yet he speaks of what his personal religious beliefs tell him as if they are facts. They are not.

    • @lukefriesenhahn8186
      @lukefriesenhahn8186 10 місяців тому +4

      @@Outspoken.Humanist Ok, have it your way atheist. Yea, sure, deny God exists until judgement day.

    • @RogueT-Rex8468
      @RogueT-Rex8468 10 місяців тому +1

      ⁠​⁠@@lukefriesenhahn8186sib, Ngl- that was a bit rough to say??
      They’re unsure/lost.
      Please don’t threaten/talk down to your siblings that you’re meant to help.
      Yeshua came in love and understanding, and felt compassion for everyone- including those he wasn’t sent specifically for at the time.
      As for Outspoken- I don’t know where you stand on the matter of faith. But I hope that you’ve at least given it an open minded chance-
      And if not, I recommend beginning in the New Testament (book of Matthew) to get the “TLDR” of Gods main message.
      My best to both of you, take care and God bless you both.

    • @yeshuaislord6880
      @yeshuaislord6880 10 місяців тому

      @@Outspoken.Humanist Can you speak English coherently?

    • @Outspoken.Humanist
      @Outspoken.Humanist 10 місяців тому +1

      @@yeshuaislord6880 I believe my grasp of the language is adequate for any analysis of a You Tube video or for commenting thereafter. Why?
      Do you have a point to make or do you think that your question conveys some sense of superiority?
      Or perhaps you simply prefer to mock anyone who doesn't agree with you,rather than entering into a civil discourse.

  • @johnburnett3942
    @johnburnett3942 Рік тому +36

    Brilliant mind, very though provoking. Would like to hear him again.

  • @samuelmatz
    @samuelmatz 10 місяців тому +6

    Thomas Sowell: Great book, 'Intellectuals and Society ' aids with understanding what this conversation is about.

  • @borderm3
    @borderm3 10 місяців тому +5

    Hawkin sounds like he conflates wisdom with intellect

  • @grand.geometrician
    @grand.geometrician 10 місяців тому +3

    Mr. Anderson thank you for the awesome material you're posting here on UA-cam. You're like so wow

  • @ghostbeetle2950
    @ghostbeetle2950 Рік тому +6

    On. Point. Thank you!

  • @Nit5ua
    @Nit5ua 10 місяців тому +3

    Brilliant as always. ❤

  • @user-cl6uj5bn2f
    @user-cl6uj5bn2f 10 місяців тому +182

    I love Dr. John Lennox, such an intelligent and accomplished man, who believes in God👏 A national treasure

    • @seanpittaway5341
      @seanpittaway5341 10 місяців тому +11

      If he didn't believe in your lie you wouldn't be saying he's a brilliant man....... Biased liar much 😂

    • @ashwayn
      @ashwayn 10 місяців тому

      what god name IT and god is not a name is it!

    • @LeeKobe1
      @LeeKobe1 10 місяців тому +8

      @@seanpittaway5341 Angry at God much?

    • @davidh7024
      @davidh7024 10 місяців тому +6

      Which one?

    • @armadilis4198
      @armadilis4198 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@seanpittaway5341He would not be brilliant if he did not believe in God because as scripture says in Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

  • @MgtowRubicon
    @MgtowRubicon 10 місяців тому +5

    Reliance on logical fallacies and intellectually insulting sophistry is unpersuasive.
    *"As long as people believe in absurdities, people will commit atrocities." -- Voltaire*

  • @jamesarnette1394
    @jamesarnette1394 10 місяців тому +11

    He's quite right and it was very well said.

  • @AlanGallon
    @AlanGallon 10 місяців тому +17

    I love how John used other peoples words to form his arguments. That is genius!

    • @timangar9771
      @timangar9771 10 місяців тому +4

      Can't tell if you're kidding or not.

    • @gknight4719
      @gknight4719 10 місяців тому +1

      John Lennox knows he is correct because god told him, I guess, how smug is that.
      You can twist words around and fool some people, you will find them in church.

    • @JontheBerean
      @JontheBerean 10 місяців тому +4

      . . . you find fools everywhere. When I was an alcoholic, the pubs were full of them .
      Another word for them is humans

    • @Si_Mondo
      @Si_Mondo 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@JontheBereanAmen to that.... and we've *all* been guilty of it too! 😂

    • @StevenCookFX
      @StevenCookFX 10 місяців тому

      Apologetics is what thats called btw.

  • @charlesdarwin5185
    @charlesdarwin5185 10 місяців тому +3

    It only matters what he did
    Philosophy is what is possible.
    Science is what is probable.
    Truth is a perception of fact.
    Alignment of probability results in reality.
    Glad to educate

  • @overkillblackjack2910
    @overkillblackjack2910 10 місяців тому +3

    Those men must have 8 foot arms to access those glasses of water.

  • @angelalewis3645
    @angelalewis3645 10 місяців тому

    So good!

  • @Hbmd3E
    @Hbmd3E 10 місяців тому +2

    To elaborate part: 3:23 "science dont answer these questions" but questions remain as a fact. On which everyone must fill in their life somehow. Not something that's some vague idea but needed in life.
    These tools like philosophy and even religion/theology are as concrete as science as man is not living outside them. Humans anyway do use these tools, but being incompetent on them is causing craziness that we see rising.

  • @yayayoma
    @yayayoma 10 місяців тому +13

    Science and theology do not contradict each other, they complement each other. We need both. They answer different questions.

    • @eriolduterion8855
      @eriolduterion8855 10 місяців тому

      Yes, one of my very favorite statements about one of our major deities is: "When Brahman ceases to dream, the world will pass."

    • @matswessling6600
      @matswessling6600 10 місяців тому

      come on... science and theology are opposites.

    • @yayayoma
      @yayayoma 10 місяців тому

      @@matswessling6600 come on… they answer completely different questions! If you are seeking answers to: How should you live? What is the meaning of life? What is moral? How should you treat people? What is the nature of God and what are your responsibilities to Him? Ask theology. If you want to know: What is the speed of light? What are human metabolic pathways? Why do the planets move the way they do? What causes a supernova? Ask science. Theology and science don’t contradict because they address completely different problems.

    • @paullittle5200
      @paullittle5200 10 місяців тому

      ​@@matswessling6600then please read the scientific fact in Job 26:7 when for centuries people held various views about how the earth was suspended, until the 1960s this scripture was proven true.

    • @matswessling6600
      @matswessling6600 10 місяців тому +1

      @@paullittle5200 You are combing through a thousand pages of text trying to cherry-pick one passage that sounds vaguely scientific to pretend like it was some prophetic prediction and ignoring the fact it is surrounded by countless passages of false descriptions of the world.

  • @williamantila5262
    @williamantila5262 10 місяців тому +5

    It's kinda sad... that it takes a brilliant Mathematician to state the obvious... and something any person with any amount of humble honesty and any amount of independant thinking can clearly see... God help us.

  • @clarkcrawford5566
    @clarkcrawford5566 10 місяців тому +1

    This is brilliant and I feel I’ve seen smacks of this in the book Pnin by Nabokov

  • @nigel900
    @nigel900 10 місяців тому +2

    Einstein also said, “Religion without Science is Blind… and Science without Religion is Lame.”

  • @hezmydaddyo2722
    @hezmydaddyo2722 10 місяців тому +15

    I can listen to Dr Lennox endlessly 🙏🏼

    • @Pumpherstonsmith
      @Pumpherstonsmith 10 місяців тому +2

      It just seems endless.

    • @StevenCookFX
      @StevenCookFX 10 місяців тому +1

      I bet you can listen to Joe Biden endlessly too....

    • @landonlunceford3939
      @landonlunceford3939 10 місяців тому

      @@StevenCookFXLennox can keep a sentence and understands arguments that don’t just support his beliefs. He doesn’t operate like a politician. You’re slow

    • @allstarwatt7246
      @allstarwatt7246 10 місяців тому

      @@landonlunceford3939 it is _you_ who seems slow

  • @grand.geometrician
    @grand.geometrician 10 місяців тому +6

    Love it. Absolutely loved this segment. Wow!

  • @vasjapremerl7270
    @vasjapremerl7270 10 місяців тому +2

    His outside reflected his inside.

  • @eduardohoover2127
    @eduardohoover2127 10 місяців тому +2

    She blinded me with science--Thomas Dolby

  • @troynunley8161
    @troynunley8161 10 місяців тому +3

    I was in a graduate seminar with a highly regarded professor of the Philosophy of Science (atheist). Students asked, "Have you read A History of Time?"
    "No," came the answer, "I read the first few pages and his philosophy of science was so ridiculous that I couldn't continue."
    I was shocked. So I read the book.
    Prof was right. Absolutely ridiculous.
    Einstein was right. The man of science is often a poor philosopher.

  • @javierbiaggi3072
    @javierbiaggi3072 10 місяців тому +3

    The more science discover the more questions needs answers. Science is not an end in itself it's a means to transcend into metaphysics; which is ultimately more important to human experience.

    • @eriolduterion8855
      @eriolduterion8855 10 місяців тому

      When are you turning in your computer, car, and cell phone? And I insist that you continue taking baths, and using the proper sanitary facilities.

    • @javierbiaggi3072
      @javierbiaggi3072 9 місяців тому

      @@eriolduterion8855 well my friend humanity was built without our technology. I can leave without any technology and still be immensely happy and with more faith. The people in the streets lives at the margin of technology and the keeps on going. They have more humanity and are more believers in God and practice charity among everyone than one us living in comfort.

  • @Jonathan-tw4xm
    @Jonathan-tw4xm 10 місяців тому +1

    1:53 - brilliant

  • @tomgreene1843
    @tomgreene1843 10 місяців тому

    Would like to hear JL with Iain McGilchrist on brain function etc.

  • @spyridonkanavos5433
    @spyridonkanavos5433 Рік тому +5

    The arguments about the limits and foundations of science as well as the nature of philosophy are excellent. Both quotes from Einstein's sayings are also amazing. Karl Jaspers has written about the philosophical questions that a child can ask and science cannot answer:
    Diese Philosophie ohne Wissenschaft vergegenwärtigen wir an einigen merkwürdigen Erscheinungen:
    Erstens: In philosophischen Dingen hält sich fast jeder für urteilsfähig. Während man anerkennt, daß in den Wissenschaften Lernen, Schulung, Methode Beedingung des Versändnisses sei, erhebt man in bezug auf die Phiosphie den Anspruch, ohne weiteres dabei zu sein und mitereden zu können…
    Zweitens: Das Philosophische Denken muß jederzeit ursprüglich sein. Jeder Mensch muß es selber vollziehen.
    Karl Jaspers: Einführung in die Philosophie R. Riper & Co. Verlag 1971

    • @mikefranklin1253
      @mikefranklin1253 10 місяців тому

      Philosopers use German because it is a complex written language . The harder an argument is to understand the better they think they are doing. Actually, childlike stupidity.

  • @AloysiusMahoney2155
    @AloysiusMahoney2155 Рік тому +10

    Neil deGrasse Tyson :- "The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."

    • @kevinwhelan9607
      @kevinwhelan9607 11 місяців тому +5

      Or why anyone would take him more seriously than the ever convincing Dr Lennox.

    • @slimreaper6746
      @slimreaper6746 11 місяців тому

      Well its not a competition by Neil is one of the most accomplished astrophysicist, Dr Lennox is mathematician. Nowhere close to Stephen Hawking or Neil respectfully, he's better at philosophy @@kevinwhelan9607

    • @boxingfan8274
      @boxingfan8274 11 місяців тому +2

      but we (i include people of all faiths and no faiths) still wonder, or should wonder, who or what is the Master Source? I mean it's only a natural human reaction to ask where we came from and where we are going? or are some too intellectually lazy to underthink such matters.

    • @SilverSurfer5150
      @SilverSurfer5150 10 місяців тому +3

      What has NDT ever actually done?

    • @Theloneyat
      @Theloneyat 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@SilverSurfer5150Celebrity scientist I reckon

  • @Heinstein69
    @Heinstein69 10 місяців тому

    Well said

  • @FelonyVideos
    @FelonyVideos 10 місяців тому +3

    The last 5 years of Steven's utterances were not his. They were those of his handlers, mouthing what his university wanted to be said.

  • @woobykal68
    @woobykal68 10 місяців тому +4

    I have meet some really smart scientists and doctors in my time but when it come to philosophy and wisdom they have not got a clue.

  • @terrydonegan1622
    @terrydonegan1622 11 місяців тому +15

    I have many testimonies of The Lords work in my life.

    • @DavidFuller2036
      @DavidFuller2036 10 місяців тому +5

      Unfortunately there is no platform dedicated to we the people who have those testimonies. And we have even forgotten how to talk face-to-face like we did for 5,000 years. I appreciate your comment❤.

    • @terrydonegan1622
      @terrydonegan1622 10 місяців тому +3

      @@DavidFuller2036 God bless you and your family David

    • @bruha321
      @bruha321 10 місяців тому

      praying you heal from your delusions of granduer.

  • @solrave123
    @solrave123 10 місяців тому +1

    well said

  • @philipsmeeton
    @philipsmeeton 10 місяців тому +1

    Meaning just something we assume, that has no existence in reality. Except in our minds.

  • @grandlotus1
    @grandlotus1 10 місяців тому +4

    So cogent, so succinct, so, so true.

  • @albertoferreiro4935
    @albertoferreiro4935 10 місяців тому +4

    Lennox is a treasure

    • @bruha321
      @bruha321 10 місяців тому +2

      he's a f@rt in the wind

  • @janegreene2838
    @janegreene2838 10 місяців тому

    Here is a quote from a Werner Heisenberg, whom I know nothing about, but I like this particular quote in regards to what Dr. Lennox said: "The first gulp from the glass of Natural Sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."

  • @raymondparsley7442
    @raymondparsley7442 10 місяців тому +2

    Well said... The true meaning of life is not a physics problem to be solved.... Philosophy and faith are far more attuned to the meaning and purpose of life. Our love and respect for one another and all living things says it best... God's love goes where we go... let it flow... let it flow.

    • @trumpbellend6717
      @trumpbellend6717 10 місяців тому

      Oh really 🤔 please elaborate and explain just what philosophy and faith tell us about the meaning and purpose of life ?

    • @timothyyoung4463
      @timothyyoung4463 9 місяців тому

      ​@@trumpbellend6717It's literally all in the Bible.

    • @trumpbellend6717
      @trumpbellend6717 9 місяців тому

      @@timothyyoung4463
      Lol care to elaborate dear, or is this the limit of your profound informative input ? 🤭😂🤣

    • @timothyyoung4463
      @timothyyoung4463 9 місяців тому

      @@trumpbellend6717 Did you need me to write it in a different language? What part of "In the Bible" was too difficult to understand?

  • @union310
    @union310 10 місяців тому +6

    The more I turn my back on science and technology and enjoy a cup of tea in the woods, the more I appreciate life and what God gave us.

    • @doug3819
      @doug3819 10 місяців тому

      Technology yes, but isn't the woods a part of science ? Just asking ?

    • @vtino4825
      @vtino4825 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@doug3819 the woods was always there, even before humans populated the earth

    • @bruha321
      @bruha321 10 місяців тому +1

      your parents gave you life, not God

    • @union310
      @union310 10 місяців тому

      @@doug3819 No

    • @union310
      @union310 10 місяців тому

      @@bruha321 Who created Adam and Eve? Smart ar$$

  • @mchristr
    @mchristr 10 місяців тому +18

    It's amazing that someone as brilliant as Hawking could be so blind regarding his own assumptions. The scientific method is nothing more than a tool, used to examine physical things. To believe that it can explain ultimate things is the make the most fundamental category mistake.

    • @enough1494
      @enough1494 10 місяців тому

      Indeed, it makes one feel better about one self.

    • @StevenCookFX
      @StevenCookFX 10 місяців тому +2

      Its amazing that you who have no idea about Stephen Hawking are blind and don't realize that Lennox is not representing him properly.

    • @finwefingolfin7113
      @finwefingolfin7113 10 місяців тому +2

      Just because science can't answer certain questions, doesn't mean that philosophy or religion can by default. The reality is that the scientific method is an incredible tool for achieving certain aims whereas philosophy and religion are pathetic tools for answering the kind of questions for which they are intended

  • @PockASqueeno
    @PockASqueeno 10 місяців тому +2

    Interesting that he specified that it’s only “the natural sciences” that can’t answer the question of meaning. Is he implying that the social sciences can? Why only the natural sciences?

  • @aahyes9068
    @aahyes9068 10 місяців тому +3

    Hobbes' Leviathan & Dawkins' Selfish Memes do a pretty good job of explaining where a moral compass comes from and the prisoner's dilemma adds where an immoral one comes from.

  • @Mark_Dyer1
    @Mark_Dyer1 Рік тому +33

    We have to call out 'SCIENTISM' wherever we find it; because it is a 'religious' and ideological form of science which is deeply unhealthy for humanity. Often it is easy to spot: its practitioners and 'believers' will often preface the noun 'science' with the Definite Article, 'THE'. Ask yourself whether you would accept a politician, or a religious zealot, telling you that he/she has 'THE' truth on a particular matter; and you will realise the problem. Whenever we hear "THE science is settled", our BS-Detectors should be on full alert!

    • @CR-yd4qe
      @CR-yd4qe 11 місяців тому

      But the same must be applied to The Faithful 🐨

    • @Mark_Dyer1
      @Mark_Dyer1 11 місяців тому +2

      @@CR-yd4qe I hope I have said as much, above!

    • @CR-yd4qe
      @CR-yd4qe 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Mark_Dyer1 you are quite correct, l over looked the “zealot” bit. 🙈

    • @boxingfan8274
      @boxingfan8274 11 місяців тому

      follow the science blind followers, you can always trust a scientist, or a banker, they never get it wrong! @@CR-yd4qe

    • @adelinomorte7421
      @adelinomorte7421 10 місяців тому

      ***religion and science are 2 different things, religion is based on a believe and science is based on a reasoning. There are many religions with their own mythology, no matter in what they believe; in science there are always a methodology and no limits for the interests, even "religion" is one subject that can be an interest for science. The high grade for a scientist is a "PHD" that means "DOCTOR IN PHILOSOPHY" and philosophy means "friend of knowledge".***

  • @steveallen2681
    @steveallen2681 10 місяців тому

    Thank you , Please keep speaking many more need to hear the truth

  • @joseevaniersel7280
    @joseevaniersel7280 10 місяців тому +3

    I hope that science declaring philosophy and religion obsolete beware not to confiscate the empty spots for themselves..

  • @jmyers6175
    @jmyers6175 10 місяців тому +3

    Mathew 18:3 unless you change and become like little children, you can not enter/ see the kingdom of God. Amazing, this is true to this day. Humility, forgiveness, reverence.

  • @TheTobs50
    @TheTobs50 10 місяців тому +1

    Depends on how science as a meaningful concept is defined, how its limits are determined and its methods are developed. A strictly empirical science is per definition of those limits incapable of extrapolating its own field and applicable methods to all others, and even less as to what would count as limits of delineation, not to speak of how they all make sense together. Hawking simply uses the word science in a mythical way as if such could exist in an a-temporal and a-historical vacuum. Just watching a few episodes of any Star Trek series from our point of view today, shows up any illusions of science as a unified, prephilosophical and abstract activity. I daresay that like most theologians, most empirical scientists will not have heard of Immanuel Kant, leave alone having read and understood his Critiques of the limits of reason and perception.

  • @secretgoldfish
    @secretgoldfish Рік тому +14

    Science should always question itself as its inspirational and querying basis (and just for something new to do, solve and explore) when it doesn't it can quickly and far too easily just become a self-serving (and often dehumanised) cult.

    • @adelinomorte7421
      @adelinomorte7421 10 місяців тому +1

      ***if science do not question itself, it is your duty start question science and becoming a scientist|***

    • @archiegates650
      @archiegates650 10 місяців тому

      "Inspiration" for science should only be curiosity, to find out what we don't know yet.
      What other or better "basis" for researching reality do we need?
      And who or what should science serve? The government like Dr. Mengele did in Auschwitz or Robert Oppenheimer in Los Alamos?
      Both examples of bringing the worst results for the human society the first in the fields of ethics and moral and the later in the field of handing horrific weapons to horrific people.

  • @touchheartyoga
    @touchheartyoga Рік тому +4

    I naturally like this man for his knowledge, but the containment of "meaning" to the region of religion, could I think have been expanded and balanced in a better way. Unless of course his opinion binds him to that seemingly traditional belief. Then I would say he was wrong.

    • @71Chris
      @71Chris Рік тому +3

      Could not your opinion be wrong?

    • @touchheartyoga
      @touchheartyoga Рік тому +1

      @@71Chris of course, that's a value of philosophy

  • @markwaters4582
    @markwaters4582 10 місяців тому +2

    Philosophy never dies, its one take of feeling of circumstance according to the so called problem of the time.

    • @Si_Mondo
      @Si_Mondo 10 місяців тому

      Hawking making that statement actually proves that great intellect can also put blinders on one's thinking; "philosophy" translates as "love of knowledge." Even those scientists who seem the most enamoured by "Scientism," are so *because* they love knowledge, *and* the pursuit of it. It's precisely why they got into their fields in the first place, Hawking included!
      This makes them "philosophers" by definition and are in part responsible for keeping the love of knowledge alive in modern day humanity!
      Hawking really dropped a ball with that statement 😂

  • @austromyrtus
    @austromyrtus 10 місяців тому +2

    There is no pathway from “what is” to “what it should be”.

  • @troyfreedom
    @troyfreedom 10 місяців тому +3

    I’d prefer to stick with the scientific method where we are slowly attempting to understand the world we occupy versus some clergymen who are are so confident they know the answer while they disagree amongst themselves.
    Besides, without the fear of some eternal punishment, nobody would care whether a god exits or not.

    • @humanitysenterprise
      @humanitysenterprise 10 місяців тому

      They disagree amongst themselves because some of them want to be in favor of the world and some of them want to be in favor of God.

  • @dunexapa1016
    @dunexapa1016 10 місяців тому +9

    Philosophy is not dead. Most humans are.

  • @philipsmeeton
    @philipsmeeton 10 місяців тому +1

    You are you and life has only the meaning that you give to it.

  • @TruthSeeker12345
    @TruthSeeker12345 10 місяців тому

    Please read the book by late French Dr Maurice Bucaille on:
    The Bible, The Quran, and Science...
    He addressed this issue in his book back in 1976.
    I met him personally in his lecture at MIT in Boston around 1986/1987.
    He has another book published in 1982 under the name:
    The Origin of Man?

  • @conreo
    @conreo Рік тому +5

    Let's just add that Einstein read a book about a Dutch phylosopher when he was in university, "The Ethics" by Spinoza. He said that this book was the most impactful book that he read, when Eisntein make reference to God, it was the God of Spinoza, his cosmic religiosity (can be assimilated to a form of Pantheism).

    • @boxingfan8274
      @boxingfan8274 11 місяців тому +4

      pantheism is a wild goose chase. There is a Master Source for everything and we owe it to ourselves to search deeply for it.

    • @adelinomorte7421
      @adelinomorte7421 10 місяців тому +1

      ***note that GOD is spirit, and one attribute for a spirit is "TIME AND SPACE" has no meaning. The way I see it anyway!***

    • @conreo
      @conreo 10 місяців тому

      @@boxingfan8274 I was careful by saying "can be assimilated", my comment was informative, that's it.

    • @rickhale4348
      @rickhale4348 10 місяців тому

      ​@@adelinomorte7421I believe you assume to much. An omnipotent all knowing God could or would be more than spirit or physical. Beyond comprehension. We like to categorize and define and I don't believe we have the capacity to put God in a bottle to be examined and analyzed.

    • @rickhale4348
      @rickhale4348 10 місяців тому

      I've often wondered what Einstein's beliefs were other than the sciences.

  • @ryant1506
    @ryant1506 10 місяців тому +6

    A genius in one field is ignorant of most others.

  • @ahler3973
    @ahler3973 Рік тому +1

    Gbu Dr

  • @kahnfatman
    @kahnfatman 10 місяців тому +1

    You should play the game Scorn, this topic of science (genetic biology) vs philosophy is deeply embedded within the game play.

  • @JontheBerean
    @JontheBerean 10 місяців тому +5

    I'm a jack of all trades , its a good place to be.
    Trust in the Lord Jesus, knowing Him better will increase your love for Him and from that place increase your love for people
    Thank you John Lennox for all you say and do for God
    ❤️✝️🙏

  • @ryankc3631
    @ryankc3631 10 місяців тому +3

    Intelligence does not equal wisdom.

  • @stormhawk3319
    @stormhawk3319 10 місяців тому +2

    Stephen Hawkings will remembered long after John Lennox and his clinging belief in an invisible man in the sky.

  • @pacarter7169
    @pacarter7169 10 місяців тому

    The one thing I learned about Hawking was that he was an “atheist” who also believed in evolution as depicted by Darwin.
    Most intellectual people have no psychological common sense, of which ergo they have no real understanding of reality.
    But since his “handicap” opened many doors for him, he used his time to push the limits of his intellectual capacity.

  • @au8363
    @au8363 10 місяців тому +5

    Glory To The Triune GOD

  • @CCoburn3
    @CCoburn3 10 місяців тому +3

    Hawking got so much wrong. I don't suppose he ever even HEARD of Socrates. At least, if he did, he can't have learned from him. Hawking, like so many celebrities, seems to have decided that since he was famous, he knew everything about everything. He knew math -- and that's about it. But he made pronouncements about subjects that were far removed from his area of expertise.

    • @martam4142
      @martam4142 10 місяців тому +1

      He was envious of real philosophers.

    • @mcmanustony
      @mcmanustony 10 місяців тому

      @@martam4142 how do you think you know this? How much of Hawking’s work have you read? It’s none isn’t it?

  • @user-qk5zw8sc7p
    @user-qk5zw8sc7p 10 місяців тому

    An interesting exercise is to go down a long list of items and categorize them as either Concrete or Abstract. Sometimes it takes a second's thought but everything falls into one of these categories. You'll find that the abstract is every bit as real as the concrete although a scientists cannot measure it. You'll also find that the most important things are abstract. Hawking seemingly missed that point because his own agenda got in the way. Science is a subset of philosophy.

  • @johnnyllooddte3415
    @johnnyllooddte3415 10 місяців тому +1

    even hawkings disavowed blackholes before he died

    • @marculatour6229
      @marculatour6229 10 місяців тому

      I wouldn't want something like that in my house either. That could make
      holes in you carpet.

  • @MgtowRubicon
    @MgtowRubicon 10 місяців тому +6

    "In all of human history, the supernatural has never turned out to be the right answer to anything: Natural explanations of phenomena have replaced supernatural ones thousands upon thousands of times, while supernatural explanations have replaced natural ones exactly never." -- Greta Christina

    • @TitusCastiglione1503
      @TitusCastiglione1503 10 місяців тому

      Sez her

    • @killpop8255
      @killpop8255 10 місяців тому +1

      It's why I wonder why people ever point to things not yet understood as some reason for a religious proof.

    • @humanitysenterprise
      @humanitysenterprise 10 місяців тому

      @@killpop8255 We do point out some historical evidence quite frequently though, I can talk to you if you want to talk about it. Or I could just directly send you some video links of historical stuff. Not saying it'll convince you, but maybe it'll change your opinion on certain things. If you don't want to, I completely understand, you're probably tired or something, I'd rather not make assumptions. It's your choice.

    • @killpop8255
      @killpop8255 10 місяців тому

      @@humanitysenterprise Hi, at the moment I'd just like to know who 'we' is? ("We do point out...") And I suppose what things you point out and for what reason?

  • @manfredboensch6674
    @manfredboensch6674 11 місяців тому +9

    What an incredible individual. Hope you are well Dr. Lennox.

  • @shot2death876
    @shot2death876 10 місяців тому

    Perhaps Mr. Hawkins was working on a secret project in London UK with some other renowned names and as it is secret (Classified File) could not speak out. Philosophy. he would have known, is coming to an end and there is a reason for this. Perhaps the end has started and as this is typed the end becomes commonly known in less that 15 years.

  • @fggamesoft4949
    @fggamesoft4949 10 місяців тому

    Education is going down faster than the speed of light

  • @nigelmcculloch3746
    @nigelmcculloch3746 10 місяців тому +20

    He is so right, scientists rarely if ever teach morals because they are afraid it would allow God's foot into the door!

    • @yamahajapan5351
      @yamahajapan5351 10 місяців тому +2

      Which god?

    • @nigelmcculloch3746
      @nigelmcculloch3746 10 місяців тому +1

      @@yamahajapan5351 the ancient God of the bible Jehovah

    • @classicaldeb
      @classicaldeb 10 місяців тому

      Oh snap!

    • @nigelmcculloch3746
      @nigelmcculloch3746 10 місяців тому +2

      @@classicaldeb it's a battle to get people to recognize that name today

    • @archiegates650
      @archiegates650 10 місяців тому +1

      I dont think that scientists are afraid about that as many or maybe most scientists have like LaPlace said: "No need for the hypothesis of any divine being".
      Moral is and should be the field of social science. What are the "best rules" for a human society to function and flourish. No place for morals in chemistry, physics, geology and mathematics.
      Probably biology and more precise human biology and medicine should take moral issues into account as theis research subjects have rights and desires on their own which must be respected.

  • @philipsmeeton
    @philipsmeeton 10 місяців тому +3

    Morality is that which serves us best in maintaining our society.

  • @leslieannvanhumbeck7630
    @leslieannvanhumbeck7630 10 місяців тому

    What did Stephen Hawking eat for breakfast?
    His shoulder. 😂
    I can say that because I'm disabled.

  • @MrMvidz
    @MrMvidz 10 місяців тому

    Philosophy is ever present, as we struggle with the large questions of existence. Extrapolating that to the Bible and Christianity is a huge stretch though.

  • @matthewkaler823
    @matthewkaler823 10 місяців тому +4

    For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him shall not perish but have life everlasting . I didn’t learn this in a science class but it carried me through tough times. Jesus lives.

    • @crockmans1386
      @crockmans1386 10 місяців тому

      Well...... he didnt give his forgotten son. As the jesus dude resurrected, he clearly aint dead. Nobody was sacrificed. Judas, son of a saloon poker card trick player, only was checking on the truth value of all the good gospel preaching. He betrayed Jesus, but only to make him go throught the Siegfried & Roy moves. It worked like a charm. Sweet.
      Jesus, the only forgotten son, did his thing. But: problem ! ...he didnt teach long enough. Well, doesnt matter. In the second coming, when God sends his only daughter, she will explain the rest and clean up this mess.
      Just hang on. Women have more patience.

    • @crockmans1386
      @crockmans1386 10 місяців тому

      Life everlasting??
      Boy , you cant even explain what that means.

  • @MgtowRubicon
    @MgtowRubicon 10 місяців тому +3

    "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius

  • @klasnm_5364
    @klasnm_5364 Рік тому +1

    👍

  • @johndutchman
    @johndutchman Рік тому +1

    Nagarjuna's Tetralemma

  • @sunyata4974
    @sunyata4974 Рік тому +13

    The purpose of philosophy is to discover reality. Science is only a brunch of philosophy.

    • @christophermcdonald5306
      @christophermcdonald5306 Рік тому +7

      Does the brunch offer Socratic waffles and Aristotlelian pancakes?

    • @GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx
      @GeorgeOrwell-yz6zx Рік тому +2

      ​@@christophermcdonald5306 the brunch of philosophy has chicken and the eggs 😮

    • @crockmans1386
      @crockmans1386 10 місяців тому

      No.
      Reality is.
      Philosophy sorts outs ways of looking at it. For those people who cannot quite grasp that Reality just is.
      Science is only a way to see how stuff works and find what it is made of.
      Religion gives answers for those who love fairy tales. Disney does the same.
      Religion is an art. Big show business

  • @leechrec
    @leechrec Рік тому +3

    That was just Hawking's arrogance talking.

  • @abetterworld4263
    @abetterworld4263 10 місяців тому

    Science can answer how, but not why.
    This is the limit.

  • @fabriziocamisani5477
    @fabriziocamisani5477 10 місяців тому

    True, science is limited but it's not afraid to answer ''I don't know'' to many questions, instead pf pretending of knowing and the inquiry still goes on. We don't know everything, probably we'll never will but look how much nonsense has been dispelled by science.

  • @mr.d.572
    @mr.d.572 10 місяців тому +5

    I'm sure Mr. Hawking isn't denying God right now. Just saying.

    • @bruha321
      @bruha321 10 місяців тому

      I'm sure there's no longer a thought in his decomposing head. Just saying.

    • @humanitysenterprise
      @humanitysenterprise 10 місяців тому

      @@bruha321 Believe it or not, the statement you just said doesn't go against religion. There are literally no thoughts in his decomposing head.

    • @AtlasBookkeeping
      @AtlasBookkeeping 7 місяців тому

      Pure arrogance.
      You religious folk, you love your threats, don’t you?

  • @aljonserna5598
    @aljonserna5598 10 місяців тому +11

    Science takes things apart while religion puts them together... such powerful aha moments

    • @Outspoken.Humanist
      @Outspoken.Humanist 10 місяців тому

      It is what is known as a 'deepity'. That is, something which sounds profound but, when analysed, means absolutely nothing.
      Firstly, science doesn't take anything apart, it seeks facts. Second, religion is merely the organised exploitation of personal belief. Beliefs that may be comforting and might even be true but can never be demonstrated to be factual.

    • @aljonserna5598
      @aljonserna5598 10 місяців тому +3

      @@Outspoken.Humanist did you really watched/listen to what he said? or do you even know what science often do especially with data analysis? as a psychology major I easily saw his point--taking things apart means being able to distinguish the complexities as in like dissecting things, being able to see what happens with what (and their structures/composition), and it's quite the same with the ever hard diagnosing of mental issues which is why we have the ever upgrading DSM.
      Regarding religion putting things together, it's like science that connects the dots but it's more "metaphysical" law of causality and praxeology--there's no religion that's very close to science than Christianity itself (Eastern Orthodoxy due to medicine/charity for the sick although it's more on at least due to Roman Catholicism and Protestantism) because of that "taking things apart," especially with the Logos culture, that truth or factual thinking which is somehow what was bestowed with Adam in Genesis that is being able to tell things (animals) apart.

    • @Outspoken.Humanist
      @Outspoken.Humanist 10 місяців тому

      @@aljonserna5598 I did listen, just as I have listened to him on a number of occasions, two of them in person. His avuncular style conceals a dedication to his religion which affects his thinking in every area and which leaves him unable or perhaps just unwilling to accept that beliefs are not facts.
      Thank you for explaining that you are a Christian and a psychology major. I hope your studies are going well.
      As a 65 year old historian specialising in religion, I'm sure you will understand that I have a somewhat different perspective.
      Theistic religions do not "connect the dots". They merely pretend to. They offer comfort and supposed explanations for the creation and management of the universe but no religion has ever been able to demonstrate that any of the large claims they all make are in any way true. Adherents may feel better through their beliefs and practices but that can only be connecting the dots if those beliefs are true i.e. factual.
      Whilst the work in medicine and charity done by the Orthodox churches is indeed admirable, it is in no way unique. For example, charity is one of the pillars of the Islamic religion. Both of these groups is utterly convinced that the other is wrong.
      Science is simply a process for seeking answers. Religions claim to already possess those answers but they cannot provide anything to demonstrate the truth of that claim.
      We might also keep in mind that before religion lost the power to command and enforce its will, Christianity and Islam saw no need to justify themselves or offer alternative explanations. Everyone either toed the line or were persecuted and often killed.

    • @crockmans1386
      @crockmans1386 10 місяців тому +2

      AHA . . . . But what....
      Religion only puts things together when you accept lame fairy tales as a good convincing answer.

    • @killpop8255
      @killpop8255 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Outspoken.Humanistof course science takes things apart.

  • @gregw74
    @gregw74 10 місяців тому +2

    Philosophy is inevitable.