Perhaps this is old news, but have you heard of the theory that Revan was the one who turned the Sion and Nihilus against Traya? It’s a neat theory that raises some interesting questions like how aware Revan was of his old master’s intentions and whether or not he wanted her to succeed.
@@100StarWars idk if you have or not, but maybe cover t3-m4? He’s basically the KOTOR version of R2. They’ve both seen more than any droid should, that’s FOR SURE.
Why did he spare her, you ask. I think the answer is in your video. Nihilus looked at Visas in and it reminded him of himself at Malachor. Very similar situations, stranded and wounded in a desolated world. Perhaps then he remembered his humanity. Perhaps by helping her he was mirroring his own desire to be saved back then. His is honestly one of the most tragic stories is SW. He became a slave of himself.
It really makes you understand why Kreia hated the force so much and wanted it to die. It always seems to have a will that outweighs the the users life or wellbeing
didnt he need Visas for what he wanted. He needed to destroy big groups of forcesensitives but he needed someone talented enough to see those high concentrations of midichlorians. Someone who was very talented at forcesight , like Visas. I remember she was the first one who told Darth Nihilus of the exile and when the Ravager attacked Telos it was told she brought him there. She is basicly a jedi-Radar. I also find the theory prensented in the video has one flaw: When Visas is asked about Katar's destruction and her master finding her, she tells that her master felt like being completely empty in and black. He then showed her the universe through the force and she was amazed how vivid the galaxy with all its light felt. She realized however that her master didnt show her the galaxy because he enjoydd its light but because that light disturbed him. To Nihilus only the emptyness was pleasent which Visas couldnt understand. That kinda means that Visas and Nihilus had a completely different view on the life in the Galaxy which is why I do not believe he saw similarities within her.
@@wahrerrosty5347 Well.. that true but he found a use for her. She was not indispensable. Do you think when he first saw her he knew immediately the use she could be to her? I guess he must have been impressed enough that she survived.
@@Kyfas7 Arent Miraluka in general talented when it comes to forcesight? I am not sure what the canonical answer is but it would make sense since they cant see using eyes which is wwhy they might adopted using the force.
@@100StarWars If Kreia believed that Nihilus still had a trace of humanity left in him, then why did she say that he is more of a hole in the Force than a living being?
@@mikeor- keep in mind this was before he was completely consumed because when he drained katarr of its energy the amount of force energy he was receiving probably expanded the wound so much that his mind was most likely fully gone after he took in visas. Tldr he took blind girl in a few hours later mind go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and disappears like the aztecs
Visas Marr: "How many souls have you sucked away to feed yourself?" Nihilus: "I don't know. How many breads have you eaten in your life?" Visas Marr: "NIHILUUUUUUUUUS!!!!"
A very good summary of Darth Nihilus and Visas Marr. You mentioned that when he spared her it was maybe the last shred of humanity left within him - this is also speculated by Kreia in the game when talking to her about him. Both Nihilus and Sion became slaves to the force who could not understand how it was possible to live life without it (especially Sion). Nihilus was also dependent on the force despite his intent to rid the galaxy of it. He had become a dark side wraith of sorts. Meetra Surik made the choice to sever her connection to the force when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated in order to survive. Kreia was also stripped of the force by Nihilus and for that reason respected how Surik was able to survive without it. You also mentioned about how Nihilus wanted the galaxy to see what life was like without the force. I believe there is dialogue from Visas in the game where she speaks about what he showed her the galaxy would become because of his influence and desire to consume the force. Kreia's ultimate goal was to recreate a wound in the force in the heart of Malachor V - one that would reach the far corners of the galaxy - because she came to hate it as she felt that it had a will of its own and was in control of everything. Effectively her goal was similar to that of Nihilus but she wanted it to happen in one go rather than over time like he was doing. She also wanted revenge against him so lured him to Telos IV and into a confrontation with Surik, who was the one Jedi who was immune to his force drain ability (because she was also a wound in the force).
Kreia's method was with far better intent. Kreia wished to preserve life but sever its link to the Force. The Exile was proof this could happen, and that is why she adored the Exile. Nihilus, as time passed, became a slave to his own goal and was essentially a pure manifestation of his anger, pain, and desire to see the Force die. He became almost completely raw Dark Side energy, but in such a way that it wasn't even Dark Side, because that is an aspect of the Force. He simply became a *hole*. An abyss. A crack in the Force where Dark and Light slip into and never return. His behavior, left unchecked, would have killed all life in the galaxy and the Force would be killed simply because life itself would be extinguished.
Totally agree with the point of he was showing his last shred of humanity. I also think it stems from Humanity's need for companionship whether it be emotiona,l romantic or physical
@@Aqueox So what you're saying is you have never in your life, needed a friend? Never wanted a romantic relationship? Never had a crush ? Never needed someone to talk to? All of these are a form of companionship and I find it very unlikely that you are telling the 100% truth...
That's why anything new Star Wars does, cannot top this story. Like you said it's very complex and you can write essays on the deeper meanings behind the characters and the themes set within this game. It's just ridiculously brilliant and that well written!!
Thank you for making a video on this because I've always wondered this!! My theory is somewhat similar to yours in a sense that I believe Darth Nihilus saved Visas Marr because he saw himself in her which is ironic since he was the cause for her pain and suffering. Also, doesn't anyone else notice in KOTOR 2 they have a theme of beauty killing the beast? Darth Sion died because of his compassion towards Meetra Surik whereas Darth Nihilus died because of his bond with Visas Marr. This doesn't mean there was something romantic between these characters. It just means that Nihilus and Sion lived for so long because of their suffering and pain, BUT through Visas and Meetra they let go of it and found what was left of their humanity which inevitably caused their downfall.
I understand but Atris caused the devastation of visas marr home planet. Visas should have been mad at Atris for trying to lure a dark presence (nihilus) and try to destroy it.
With a voice like hers, it doesn't matter how evil you are, you will want to keep her close, keep her safe. I think something intrigued him to "keep" her when he discovered that she had survived the "devouring". To find out how and why.
Honestly, it has always puzzled me and yet made me more and more curious every time I play KOTOR 2 why he spared Visas - and listening to your deductions of what might have the case actually makes a lot more sense the more I think about it. I admit I always viewed Nihilus just as a hungry being that was consumed by the hunger to the point of being emotionless - but the more I think about it after listening to your clip, I feel like you're correct, and that he was both a tragic figure who became dependant on something he went on to despise, but spared Visas because it may have been the last of his humanity - and maybe the last part of his old life bleeding through very briefly to spare someone that, maybe, he felt would be a companion to him that could share his pain. Keep up the amazing work!
I really wish they would expand on characters like Nihilus, Sion and Traya/Kreia in a comic series that predates the games. What we get in KOTOR II was just enough for us to get familiar with these creatures but I'm greedy like Nihilus and need more.
Agreed. Said comics must also show the fates of the characters after the games too, especially Juhani, Mission and Big Z, Jolee, and the KotOR II gang. I also want them to be based in both Light Side and Dark Side editions though. Even if the latter is going to be deemed non-canon, one might also wonder what happened to characters like DS Bastila during KotOR II.
dude probably just got tired of being alone on his ship probably wanted someone to talk to or just stare into the void with him XD great video one of my favorite sith
Nihilus: survives shadow generator being used on malachor, which devastated the planet Also nihilus: becomes the most powerful being in the universe Visas marr: survives the planet wide devastation from nihilus’ force drain of katarr Nihilus recognized himself in visas, and had foreseen her power tantamount to his own, and grew an attachment to her because of how much they knew eachother.
Nihilus: *Sith noises* Visas: Please...j-just kill me already. Nihilus: *Surprised Sith noises* Visas: Wait, say that again. Nihilus: *Surprised Sith noises, again* Visas: So, you slaughtered my people, just so you could ask someone if they could split fucking rent with you?!
I would say the comic has the intended explanation for it. But i can also see your theory on it as well. It’s possible that it’s a combination of both really imo. Wanting to share his perception in order to share his pain with someone of her background is meaningful to him. I wouldn’t say he was a good guy because his humanity was stripped from him & he used Visas and caused her to view the world in a dark way. But is it really his fault? He couldve not gave in to his hunger & died? But i think ultimately he wanted to be an example of what the force is capable of and that its not always good and beautiful like how Visas viewed it before meeting him. Its a tragic & symbolic story i really love it! Thanks for the video Luke! 💜
I agree! Visas Marr and Darth Nihilus' dynamic is so beautifully written that it can be interpreted in a lot of ways. Nihilus saving Visas could either be interpreted as him showing some shred of what was left of his humanity or that he wanted someone to share his knowledge and his understanding of the force with. Either explanation proves Nihilus sparred Visas out of fear of loneliness in his suffering and being misunderstood in his actions. Although he eventually only cared about his own survival/hunger, he forever changed the way the characters view the force in that game as well as the fans who played it. This is why KOTOR 2 will always be my favorite game. Also, none of the characters are one-dimensional which makes the game even more complex and realistic.
Nihilus is one of the most interesting characters for me, mostly due to all the mystery and mysticism. He kinda just... was... the dark side of the force. There was still a man under all that, but barely. I personally hold that he "adopted" Marr so she could one day end him, but there's not much that backs that up.
He's not even of the Dark Side, because that is a part of the Force. He is a black hole in the fabric of the Force, only using Dark Side power to fuel his pursuits. He is, almost completely, what would happen to Kreia if Kreia herself was not strong enough on her journey to end the Force. An inadvertent slave to the Force, yet left unchecked the death of it as well. Kreia was wise enough to understand this and rather than seek to destroy the Force through raw power as Nihilus eventually came to attempt, she wished to merely sever the strings strategically and, preferably, all at once. Nihilus would have killed all life in the galaxy and that was the failing in his journey. He, like many Sith and Jedi, succumbed to the desire for more raw power and ability to bring about their will. Kreia almost did the same, yet after having her power stripped from her she realized that you cannot hope to kill the Force by using it with brute strength else it will enslave you to such a point you merely become a manifestation of its energy. You have to strike at critical points and, yes, sever the strings.
Darth Nihilus is a Wendigo To be at Malachor, he was deemed by Revan to be a good man, a jedi that he could not turn to the darkside, so Revan doomed him to die at Malachor. He survived, and lost his humanity by consuming another human level being. Once he had consumed them, the hunger took over This is the exact thread that the Algonquin believed Cannibals to go through. Their desperation forces them to eat human meat to just survive, but the hunger takes over and they are forced to walk the world as a Wendigo It is explicitly stated that Nihilus is no longer a man, but a void, almost like a spirit in the force. Its said that those who become wendigo are possessed by a malevolent spirt, condemning them to their hunger I think its a really interesting connection
Fascinating and amazing video my friend. Your theory about why Darth Nihilus kept Visas Marr alive makes a lot of sense, either he wanted someone to feel the same pain that he did or he had another reasons. It's obvious he didn't want just an apprentice to teach her the ways of the Sith so someday she'd exceed him. The issue of force bounds has me intrigued because after Meetra Surik defeated Visas Marr on Korriban on board the Ebon Hawk she asked her to renounce the dark side and join her. Both Surik and Nihilus are wounds in the force and Visas Marr served both of them
I recently started another playthrough of kotor 2 with tslrcm, m478, and other mods that I feel complete the game. Your videos are always awesome to see in my notifications. Kotor 2 really is one of if not the best star wars game ever.
I think nihilus is such an interesting sith lord, i love the story of nihilus Can you please do a video about belia darzu, the lost twenty, and the original dark jedi?
I think Nihilus saved visas so she could remind him of his last bit of humanity, He wanted to suppress the hunger and pain but ultimately didn't want to lose all humanity within him. He saves visas so she could remind him about the humanity he showed towards her.
i think he honestly thought she might be able to show him how to stop his hunger she survived his feeding something no one else has id be very curious.
I wonder if Nihilus’s bond with Visas could be something of an inverse to Kreia and Meetra. I think you had a theory in another video where Meetra never actually regained the force but was feeding off of Kreia and using that power from Kreia to create bonds with others, thereby unknowingly feeding off of them and adding to hers/ Kreia’s power. So perhaps Visas is very similar. Perhaps with her bond with Nihilus, she too unknowingly feeds off his power as he consumes. He is a conduit for her as Kreia is a conduit for Meetra.
Very very true. Good explanation about his relationship with Visas. I’m not entirely sure though that Nihilus wants the Force to be destroyed to end his misery. I just think he’s a mad desperate animal who is guided by his neverending hunger and that’s why he banished Traya: she wanted to destroy the Force for the reasons you already stated, and Nihilus and Sion knew they couldn’t exist without it. It’s beautiful that the game allows these two apparently invincible monsters to be beaten by their sole respective weakness that only the Exile could show them: Nihilus couldn’t feed his hunger by a force hole, and Sion couldn’t inflict pain to it. At least that’s how I see it, maybe you’ll have a different opinion?
When trying to describe Darth Nihilus to a friend of mine, who loves Star Wars but never played the games, I basically told him that Darth Nihilus is the Galactus of Star Wars. Only instead of feeding on cosmic energy, he feeds on Force energy... And he's not the size of Jupiter...
I think he spared her because she was like him in a way. Both are sole survivors of a major catastrophe and both were deeply affected by their experiences.
Right, ultimately Nihlus was a product of Revan's actions. Revan 300 years later in the SWTOR universe he still has a strong and impactful presence where he finally fulfils his ultimate mission as a force ghost, he unifies his fractured self and defeats the immortal Sith Emperor. Best SW character ever, and now that both Revan and the Emperor are gone, I have NO CLUE where SWTOR is going to go.
I imagine it's a Vader/Galen Marek scenario where it could be both be they needed an apprentice to fight other Sith lords with and carry on their legacy, but also that being this is soon after they became Sith Lords, there's still a shred of humanity that let them feel pity for the sole survivor they find on the devastated land.
Well, if he formed a bond with her just as the bonds he had before the destruction of Malachor V You could say that this bond with Visas gave him a small relief without the necessity to consume others. After all, that was the reason Nihilus became what he was, the loss of those bonds and the pain that it brought to him, so Visas bond most likely gave him some sort of peace albeit small.
My opinion is on the complete opposite. It think saving her was a fluke, but when he realised she survived he became curious. Kreia says in game he cares for nothing.... And oddly her relationship with the exile mirrors that of Nihilus & Visas.
I had a fan theory of the new Disney wars movie that involved Nihalus. So the theory was Nihalus was returning and he was returning though Kylo. Snoke was a herald for the dark lord to prepare Kylo as a vessel for him. It why Luke wanted the Jedi to die and refused to take up arms against the sith knowing he would just be consumed and only strengthening the dark lord. Rey how ever was a wound in the force like the exile was allowing her to use the force to gain experience, power, and skills though others. It also explained why Luke didn't want to train her because he saw another potential monster. Luke didn't think Kylo was irredeemable he just saw the monster that was growing within him
I think that is Luke's point in this video though because by Darth Nihilus saving Visas Marr it made their force bond which led to his eventual downfall. The true question is did Darth Nihilus purposely make the force bond even though he knew it could lead to his death or did he not know that would be the consequence? Because that answer proves what Visas Marr was to him
@@100StarWars I just never gave it much thought, anyways Kreia says in game him sparing her was his last shed of humanity, and happened something like in Harry Potter(yeah completely different franchise but there is an example of the situation), when Voldemort tried to kill Harry but he survived, Harry became a Horcrux, they linked, perhaps by surviving the destruction Nihilus unleashed, he himself having survived Malachor, perhaps he understood her, and they linked through his last act of humanity, having been put through that same situation of living while the world dies around you. Or Kreia could have just meant his last human act was out of mercy and not understanding, it makes a lot of sense too. Now why she survived the initial destruction, no reason, the force wanted her to, this explanation fits nicely with the game’s themes of determinism vs free will. Edit:I was playing and asked Kreia why he spared her, her thesis is he is bound to her
He thought she was hot and was into the whole blind thing. For real though... what does her species look like under the hood? Do they still have eyes? Or is it just a very large forehead..? Hmmm. If it's the latter, that sounds terrifying.
I have a question about something that disturb me about the sith triumvirate. I think Darth Nihilus is a unique case in star wars and it's strange. Why there is no other sith like him, only trying to satisfy his hunger ?
He is unique because the circumstances that created him are very, very specific. Same as with Exile, it wasn't an accidental even, but it was mostly engineered by Revan. And on top of it, he encountered and discovered preexisting Sith teachings. It's a Force drain, but one on entirely different level.
Interesting perspective, but I think in your humanization of Nihilus, you overshoot and gloss over how deeply abusive his relationship with Visas was I mean, it's not like everybody doesnt already know that, but it's still somewhat strange that it hardly got a passing mention, especially when you brought up the scene where he straight up mutilates her.
I think that Visas Marr is his daughter. Daughter which he abandoned when he joined Revan in Mandalorian Wars. He could not bring himself to kill his own child, therefore he spared her and made her her apprentice/slave. That would explain his love/hate relationship with her: she is a constant reminder of his past life which he despises.
He needed a witness, and maybe also someone to remind him that he was once human. He is basically a dark mirror of the Exile, as they are opposite results of the same cataclysm -- the Exile turns away from the Force, whereas Nihilus becomes the epitome of a Force "addict" as a result of his transformation. I believe that, when Visas removes his mask, she sees a facsimile of the Exile's face: "A man, nothing more." In losing his connection to the Force and learning to live without it, the Exile becomes "more" than a man -- the Force is supposed to bind all living things, and yet he now lives 'unbound' by its dicta. His will is entirely his own. Conversely, Nihilus becomes a slave to it, to a degree that no other being in the galaxy can even imagine. For all his 'power' to consume, he becomes the perfect expression of an ordinary being's powerlessness to deny the Force's will. Aboard the Ravager, he attempts to feed on the Exile -- but, much like what happens with the planet below, he finds his prey quite unpalatable due to his being the personified absence of the Force itself. This failed attempt is what weakens Nihilus enough that he can be defeated -- attempting to feed on the Exile is like trying to feed on himself. Without getting too abstract, I believe Nihilus to be the "shadow" of the Jedi Exile, created through the severance of his Force connection and the "gap" that leaves in the fabric of the Universe. Upon defeating him, the Exile 'regains' his connection to the living Force in some sense, even though the echo of Malachor still exists and continues to travel.
@@100StarWars, yes that's very true. I was just remembering the conversation that Kreia had with Meetra about Nihilus. What's also interesting is that Nihilus was still human enough to feel betrayal when Visas sided with Meetra aboard the Ravager. It's a really good point that you made in this video that Nihilus didn't lose all his humanity. You've given us a very interesting perspective, thanks for doing this video. I really appreciate and enjoy your work... keep up the great work!
One of the primary lessons a Sith Master must understand is....A Master with no apprentice is a Master of Nothing ( a teacher wit no students is a teacher of nothing ). I differ with some of your assessments.....Nigilus definitely did cause this girl pain ; At times just to do it to keep the fear of " god " in Her. He kept Her alive or saved Her because She was a person whom had an experience much like His and wanted some one around who is suffering the pain of those memlries etc as well. Thats some cold ish but also bond forming and makes them relatable via that if nothing else. I never realized She was a young girl. He effed up by thinking She xld defeat anyone or anything that He sent Her to defeat and bring back to Him.Too much belief in Her abilities.Shoulda left Meetra Surik alone, kept Marr away from Her. And figured out another solution to the soon to come attempt on His existence.
Here's a video that could be just humorous fun: Every time on Peragus, when T3 goes to the terminal to open the elevator for Atton and the Exile, T3 turns around and starts screaming beeps. I've always imagined him saying, "YOU!!! You're the (*long string of expletives*) that murdered 3C! I'll ********* kill you!" So, hear me out, **'What if T3-M4 had saved 3C-FD by defeating HK-50 aboard the Ebon Hawk?'** How would T3 do it? Would he push HK out the airlock? Have a friendly philosophical chat with him? Fistfight? Bring his army of seeker drones to bear? How would that epic confrontation impact the rest of TSL? Would Peragus blow up anyways? What would Darth Sion do if he never received the distress signal? Would Atton Rand ever meet the Exile? Would he ever see her in her underwear and shamelessly check her out? Would the crazy miners still sell Meetra out to the Exchange? So many questions and possibilities. That one moment changed the course of the entire galaxy.
He was barely a man anymore so he was a more a anomaly of pure instinct to feed on the force it eventually controlled him. With that being said tho I he still had some humanity left in him like Kreia mentioned and human beings by nature need a sense of belonging or some sort of companionship perhaps he wanted someone to see the galaxy as he did.
One thing that always bugs me about how people write Sith is they always go what I call stupid evil (a term I picked up to describe how people play chaotic evil alignment) but that's not what been a Sith is, there is nothing in the Sith code about been evil or harming others, a Sith can love and have friends. So two examples of Sith that are going to fight each other one has followers that are terrified of him the other has follower that love and are devoted to him, who would win? I say it's the one that inspired devotion in his follower (assuming training and gear is equal) as for the most part people will fight harder to protect the ones they love than for one's they are scaired of. Now the Sith with follower that love them dosnt need to actually love his followers back, they could only be tools to him but their his tools and the best tools you look after, a sword cuts better when you look after it, but sadly when people write Sith they have them using blunt broken tools that they regularly beat up or electrocut.
A lot of people miss the subtext of Nihilus that's described by Kreia and by Visas. Nihilus is basically not there by the time we encounter him, so applying to him any immoral intent is like applying ill will to a zombie. There is nothing there to will, not really, it's all enslaved by the power he possesses and his state as a Wound in the Force.
Atris caused the devastation of visas marr home planet. Visas should have been mad at Atris for trying to lure a dark presence (nihilus) and trying to destroy it.
Among Sith Lords a Master with no apprentice is a Master of nothing.Nihilus knew He needed an apprentice and being as bad ass as He was,He needed a suitably bad ass apprentice.One who was particularly equipped to deal with and withstand His peculiar powers.Or should i say He needed a toy strong enough for Him not to break. And after He found her still alive on Kataar after draining it,He knew she was the one who could survive even being in His presence without being slowly drained of Her lifeforce and dying.She was the only being "tailor "made" to be His apprentice.The only thing He cldnt anticipate was His bad treatment of her would turn her against Him.
My Opinion: Visas was simmilar to Nihilus she survived the Death of Katar like he survived the Death of Malakor 5 and that is the Reason why he saved her.
Nihilus is one Hangry Boi. Is there a topic you'd like to see me cover? Let me know below and don't forget to like the video if you enjoyed it!
Can you cover some of the ancient Sith? Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh. The folks from the Tales of the Jedi comics.
Perhaps this is old news, but have you heard of the theory that Revan was the one who turned the Sion and Nihilus against Traya? It’s a neat theory that raises some interesting questions like how aware Revan was of his old master’s intentions and whether or not he wanted her to succeed.
Hmm, I have not heard of that theory but I'd imagine that could be debunked due to the time periods no?
@@100StarWars idk if you have or not, but maybe cover t3-m4? He’s basically the KOTOR version of R2. They’ve both seen more than any droid should, that’s FOR SURE.
Could you possibly cover Vitiate's 300+ year plan to invade Republic Space, starting off with the Mandalorian Wars and when he met Revan and Malak?
Why did he spare her, you ask. I think the answer is in your video. Nihilus looked at Visas in and it reminded him of himself at Malachor. Very similar situations, stranded and wounded in a desolated world. Perhaps then he remembered his humanity. Perhaps by helping her he was mirroring his own desire to be saved back then.
His is honestly one of the most tragic stories is SW. He became a slave of himself.
'Perhaps by helping her he was mirroring his own desire to be saved back then' - That is a very nice take. I approve!
It really makes you understand why Kreia hated the force so much and wanted it to die.
It always seems to have a will that outweighs the the users life or wellbeing
didnt he need Visas for what he wanted.
He needed to destroy big groups of forcesensitives but he needed someone talented enough to see those high concentrations of midichlorians.
Someone who was very talented at forcesight , like Visas.
I remember she was the first one who told Darth Nihilus of the exile and when the Ravager attacked Telos it was told she brought him there.
She is basicly a jedi-Radar.
I also find the theory prensented in the video has one flaw:
When Visas is asked about Katar's destruction and her master finding her, she tells that her master felt like being completely empty in and black. He then showed her the universe through the force and she was amazed how vivid the galaxy with all its light felt.
She realized however that her master didnt show her the galaxy because he enjoydd its light but because that light disturbed him.
To Nihilus only the emptyness was pleasent which Visas couldnt understand.
That kinda means that Visas and Nihilus had a completely different view on the life in the Galaxy which is why I do not believe he saw similarities within her.
@@wahrerrosty5347 Well.. that true but he found a use for her. She was not indispensable. Do you think when he first saw her he knew immediately the use she could be to her? I guess he must have been impressed enough that she survived.
@@Kyfas7 Arent Miraluka in general talented when it comes to forcesight?
I am not sure what the canonical answer is but it would make sense since they cant see using eyes which is wwhy they might adopted using the force.
I think that Nihilus saved Visas Marr because, as Kreia said: "He spared the Miraluka, and that may be the last shred of humanity he had left in him."
Perhaps she was right!
@@100StarWars If Kreia believed that Nihilus still had a trace of humanity left in him, then why did she say that he is more of a hole in the Force than a living being?
@@mikeor- It can be both.
He found a broken girl on a dead world maybe he saw some of himself in her
@@mikeor- keep in mind this was before he was completely consumed because when he drained katarr of its energy the amount of force energy he was receiving probably expanded the wound so much that his mind was most likely fully gone after he took in visas. Tldr he took blind girl in a few hours later mind go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and disappears like the aztecs
Darth Nihilus is actually a chill guy who just wants a snack. I don’t know why everyone has such a bad opinion on him
Ikr he’s just hungry
Your not you when your hungry.
Ya know, he just casually beats 100 jedi.
Guy just gets such a bad rap and it's so sad to see :((
Hungry? Grab a Snickers or something.
Visas Marr: "How many souls have you sucked away to feed yourself?"
Nihilus: "I don't know. How many breads have you eaten in your life?"
Visas Marr: "NIHILUUUUUUUUUS!!!!"
Simpsons?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Much, much worse. JoJo.
...Martial Hearts is way worse.
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н What's the problem with JoJo?
@@TetsuShima memes from JoJo are like sand. Rough, coarse and get everywhere.
Jk.
A very good summary of Darth Nihilus and Visas Marr. You mentioned that when he spared her it was maybe the last shred of humanity left within him - this is also speculated by Kreia in the game when talking to her about him.
Both Nihilus and Sion became slaves to the force who could not understand how it was possible to live life without it (especially Sion). Nihilus was also dependent on the force despite his intent to rid the galaxy of it. He had become a dark side wraith of sorts. Meetra Surik made the choice to sever her connection to the force when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated in order to survive. Kreia was also stripped of the force by Nihilus and for that reason respected how Surik was able to survive without it.
You also mentioned about how Nihilus wanted the galaxy to see what life was like without the force. I believe there is dialogue from Visas in the game where she speaks about what he showed her the galaxy would become because of his influence and desire to consume the force.
Kreia's ultimate goal was to recreate a wound in the force in the heart of Malachor V - one that would reach the far corners of the galaxy - because she came to hate it as she felt that it had a will of its own and was in control of everything. Effectively her goal was similar to that of Nihilus but she wanted it to happen in one go rather than over time like he was doing. She also wanted revenge against him so lured him to Telos IV and into a confrontation with Surik, who was the one Jedi who was immune to his force drain ability (because she was also a wound in the force).
Kreia's method was with far better intent. Kreia wished to preserve life but sever its link to the Force. The Exile was proof this could happen, and that is why she adored the Exile.
Nihilus, as time passed, became a slave to his own goal and was essentially a pure manifestation of his anger, pain, and desire to see the Force die. He became almost completely raw Dark Side energy, but in such a way that it wasn't even Dark Side, because that is an aspect of the Force. He simply became a *hole*. An abyss. A crack in the Force where Dark and Light slip into and never return.
His behavior, left unchecked, would have killed all life in the galaxy and the Force would be killed simply because life itself would be extinguished.
Damn..
Nihilus just needs a Snickers
"you're not you when you're hungry" 😂😂
Darth Nihilus: * eats snicker *
Better?
Darth Nihilus: djrhhfsbsjejrkidisyshks
_"I'm just gonna snack on Katar"_ -Nihilus (probably)
Nihilus looks at a navagation chart the same way I look at a restaurant menu.
Totally agree with the point of he was showing his last shred of humanity. I also think it stems from Humanity's need for companionship whether it be emotiona,l romantic or physical
Agreed!
I am living proof that your statement is a lie. Have a good evening.
@@Aqueox So what you're saying is you have never in your life, needed a friend? Never wanted a romantic relationship? Never had a crush ? Never needed someone to talk to?
All of these are a form of companionship and I find it very unlikely that you are telling the 100% truth...
@@TheExile1138 >needed
>wanted
Hmm.
Nihilus saved Visas because killing a supreme Waifu would be unforgivable even for a monster like him.
That is... very true when you put it that way.
The complexity of Kotor 2 is precisely why the game is so damn good.
Even today there's still questions.
That's why anything new Star Wars does, cannot top this story. Like you said it's very complex and you can write essays on the deeper meanings behind the characters and the themes set within this game. It's just ridiculously brilliant and that well written!!
Thank you for making a video on this because I've always wondered this!!
My theory is somewhat similar to yours in a sense that I believe Darth Nihilus saved Visas Marr because he saw himself in her which is ironic since he was the cause for her pain and suffering.
Also, doesn't anyone else notice in KOTOR 2 they have a theme of beauty killing the beast? Darth Sion died because of his compassion towards Meetra Surik whereas Darth Nihilus died because of his bond with Visas Marr. This doesn't mean there was something romantic between these characters. It just means that Nihilus and Sion lived for so long because of their suffering and pain, BUT through Visas and Meetra they let go of it and found what was left of their humanity which inevitably caused their downfall.
An interesting perspective for sure, I've never thought of that!
I understand but Atris caused the devastation of visas marr home planet.
Visas should have been mad at Atris for trying to lure a dark presence (nihilus) and try to destroy it.
With a voice like hers, it doesn't matter how evil you are, you will want to keep her close, keep her safe.
I think something intrigued him to "keep" her when he discovered that she had survived the "devouring". To find out how and why.
The voice of an angel.
Kelly Hu does have a distinctly nice voice. Have experience of that from Phineas & Ferb and Tangled: The Series.
Honestly, it has always puzzled me and yet made me more and more curious every time I play KOTOR 2 why he spared Visas - and listening to your deductions of what might have the case actually makes a lot more sense the more I think about it. I admit I always viewed Nihilus just as a hungry being that was consumed by the hunger to the point of being emotionless - but the more I think about it after listening to your clip, I feel like you're correct, and that he was both a tragic figure who became dependant on something he went on to despise, but spared Visas because it may have been the last of his humanity - and maybe the last part of his old life bleeding through very briefly to spare someone that, maybe, he felt would be a companion to him that could share his pain.
Keep up the amazing work!
I really wish they would expand on characters like Nihilus, Sion and Traya/Kreia in a comic series that predates the games. What we get in KOTOR II was just enough for us to get familiar with these creatures but I'm greedy like Nihilus and need more.
Agreed. Said comics must also show the fates of the characters after the games too, especially Juhani, Mission and Big Z, Jolee, and the KotOR II gang.
I also want them to be based in both Light Side and Dark Side editions though. Even if the latter is going to be deemed non-canon, one might also wonder what happened to characters like DS Bastila during KotOR II.
@@michaelandreipalon359 oh yeah kinda like a DC Elseworlds kinda thing. That would be cool
@@aeternumcadens1777 Hmm, so that's what it is.
That mystery is what has kept the games alive all these years!
@@100StarWars True, so you might wonder: do they deserve to be resolved?
dude probably just got tired of being alone on his ship probably wanted someone to talk to or just stare into the void with him XD great video one of my favorite sith
Visas is one of my favourite characters! Love her story. Thanks for covering it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Nihlius was just a hungry wound trying to make his way through the universe
A simple force wound indeed.
Nihilus: survives shadow generator being used on malachor, which devastated the planet
Also nihilus: becomes the most powerful being in the universe
Visas marr: survives the planet wide devastation from nihilus’ force drain of katarr
Nihilus recognized himself in visas, and had foreseen her power tantamount to his own, and grew an attachment to her because of how much they knew eachother.
This is the best character breakdown of Nihilus I've seen yet
I sometimes wait for a week or two before coming back to your channel, and I am always pleasantly surprised and intrigued; nice work man.
Nihilus: *Sith noises*
Visas: Please...j-just kill me already.
Nihilus: *Surprised Sith noises*
Visas: Wait, say that again.
Nihilus: *Surprised Sith noises, again*
Visas: So, you slaughtered my people, just so you could ask someone if they could split fucking rent with you?!
I would say the comic has the intended explanation for it. But i can also see your theory on it as well. It’s possible that it’s a combination of both really imo. Wanting to share his perception in order to share his pain with someone of her background is meaningful to him. I wouldn’t say he was a good guy because his humanity was stripped from him & he used Visas and caused her to view the world in a dark way. But is it really his fault? He couldve not gave in to his hunger & died?
But i think ultimately he wanted to be an example of what the force is capable of and that its not always good and beautiful like how Visas viewed it before meeting him.
Its a tragic & symbolic story i really love it!
Thanks for the video Luke! 💜
I say he was possibly a good guy before the events of the becoming a wound! But you're right, it's a great story! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I agree! Visas Marr and Darth Nihilus' dynamic is so beautifully written that it can be interpreted in a lot of ways.
Nihilus saving Visas could either be interpreted as him showing some shred of what was left of his humanity or that he wanted someone to share his knowledge and his understanding of the force with. Either explanation proves Nihilus sparred Visas out of fear of loneliness in his suffering and being misunderstood in his actions. Although he eventually only cared about his own survival/hunger, he forever changed the way the characters view the force in that game as well as the fans who played it. This is why KOTOR 2 will always be my favorite game. Also, none of the characters are one-dimensional which makes the game even more complex and realistic.
@@ahsoka5216 So true :)
Nihilus is one of the most interesting characters for me, mostly due to all the mystery and mysticism. He kinda just... was... the dark side of the force. There was still a man under all that, but barely. I personally hold that he "adopted" Marr so she could one day end him, but there's not much that backs that up.
He's not even of the Dark Side, because that is a part of the Force. He is a black hole in the fabric of the Force, only using Dark Side power to fuel his pursuits.
He is, almost completely, what would happen to Kreia if Kreia herself was not strong enough on her journey to end the Force. An inadvertent slave to the Force, yet left unchecked the death of it as well. Kreia was wise enough to understand this and rather than seek to destroy the Force through raw power as Nihilus eventually came to attempt, she wished to merely sever the strings strategically and, preferably, all at once.
Nihilus would have killed all life in the galaxy and that was the failing in his journey. He, like many Sith and Jedi, succumbed to the desire for more raw power and ability to bring about their will. Kreia almost did the same, yet after having her power stripped from her she realized that you cannot hope to kill the Force by using it with brute strength else it will enslave you to such a point you merely become a manifestation of its energy. You have to strike at critical points and, yes, sever the strings.
@@Aqueox Honestly, the most frightening part of Nihilus is that he reminds me of the philosophy of the Sorcerers of Rhand.
Nihilus is pure darkness, not evil.
*The Darkness is which all life dies*
@@100StarWars *all life exists, simply to sacrifice itself to him!*
@@lordnihilus3198 lol
Darth Nihilus is a Wendigo
To be at Malachor, he was deemed by Revan to be a good man, a jedi that he could not turn to the darkside, so Revan doomed him to die at Malachor. He survived, and lost his humanity by consuming another human level being. Once he had consumed them, the hunger took over
This is the exact thread that the Algonquin believed Cannibals to go through. Their desperation forces them to eat human meat to just survive, but the hunger takes over and they are forced to walk the world as a Wendigo
It is explicitly stated that Nihilus is no longer a man, but a void, almost like a spirit in the force. Its said that those who become wendigo are possessed by a malevolent spirt, condemning them to their hunger
I think its a really interesting connection
An interesting perspective for sure!
“Their desperation forces them to eat human meat to just survive.”Great example,I think it is suitable for Darth Nihilus as well.
You're killing it man! Another amazing video, I love these!
I appreciate the kind words, thank you!
Fascinating and amazing video my friend. Your theory about why Darth Nihilus kept Visas Marr alive makes a lot of sense, either he wanted someone to feel the same pain that he did or he had another reasons. It's obvious he didn't want just an apprentice to teach her the ways of the Sith so someday she'd exceed him. The issue of force bounds has me intrigued because after Meetra Surik defeated Visas Marr on Korriban on board the Ebon Hawk she asked her to renounce the dark side and join her. Both Surik and Nihilus are wounds in the force and Visas Marr served both of them
I recently started another playthrough of kotor 2 with tslrcm, m478, and other mods that I feel complete the game. Your videos are always awesome to see in my notifications. Kotor 2 really is one of if not the best star wars game ever.
I really appreciate your kindness. I hope you enjoy your new playthrough!
Nihilus was not just hungry, but also thirsty...
This is an interesting take I feel like it makes the most sense as well
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
10 years later and I’m at trying to learn this game ... amazing game
I think nihilus is such an interesting sith lord, i love the story of nihilus
Can you please do a video about belia darzu, the lost twenty, and the original dark jedi?
Belia Darzu huh?
@@100StarWars She's mentioned in Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction.
Dude your channel is so underrated, your videos are always amazing!
Thank you, Landon!
I think Nihilus saved visas so she could remind him of his last bit of humanity,
He wanted to suppress the hunger and pain but ultimately didn't want to lose all humanity within him.
He saves visas so she could remind him about the humanity he showed towards her.
I mean... she's hot and has the sexiest voice in the galaxy - I think I know why Nihilus chose her lmao
If I had side eye emojis for you right now that's what I'd reply with hahaha
😏
i think he honestly thought she might be able to show him how to stop his hunger she survived his feeding something no one else has id be very curious.
In other words, he’s a veteran with PTSD like Meetra who was consumed by his trauma because he couldn’t let go like many in real life.
I wonder if Nihilus’s bond with Visas could be something of an inverse to Kreia and Meetra. I think you had a theory in another video where Meetra never actually regained the force but was feeding off of Kreia and using that power from Kreia to create bonds with others, thereby unknowingly feeding off of them and adding to hers/ Kreia’s power. So perhaps Visas is very similar. Perhaps with her bond with Nihilus, she too unknowingly feeds off his power as he consumes. He is a conduit for her as Kreia is a conduit for Meetra.
All the things you have said should be a huge animated movie!
Very very true. Good explanation about his relationship with Visas.
I’m not entirely sure though that Nihilus wants the Force to be destroyed to end his misery.
I just think he’s a mad desperate animal who is guided by his neverending hunger and that’s why he banished Traya: she wanted to destroy the Force for the reasons you already stated, and Nihilus and Sion knew they couldn’t exist without it.
It’s beautiful that the game allows these two apparently invincible monsters to be beaten by their sole respective weakness that only the Exile could show them: Nihilus couldn’t feed his hunger by a force hole, and Sion couldn’t inflict pain to it.
At least that’s how I see it, maybe you’ll have a different opinion?
When trying to describe Darth Nihilus to a friend of mine, who loves Star Wars but never played the games, I basically told him that Darth Nihilus is the Galactus of Star Wars. Only instead of feeding on cosmic energy, he feeds on Force energy... And he's not the size of Jupiter...
I think he spared her because she was like him in a way. Both are sole survivors of a major catastrophe and both were deeply affected by their experiences.
Right, ultimately Nihlus was a product of Revan's actions. Revan 300 years later in the SWTOR universe he still has a strong and impactful presence where he finally fulfils his ultimate mission as a force ghost, he unifies his fractured self and defeats the immortal Sith Emperor. Best SW character ever, and now that both Revan and the Emperor are gone, I have NO CLUE where SWTOR is going to go.
Dude your content is amazing
“My mango is to glow up and then act like I don’t know NOBODY HAHAAHAA” - The Lord of Hunger (Probably)
I imagine it's a Vader/Galen Marek scenario where it could be both be they needed an apprentice to fight other Sith lords with and carry on their legacy, but also that being this is soon after they became Sith Lords, there's still a shred of humanity that let them feel pity for the sole survivor they find on the devastated land.
Thanks
Love your content homie g…awesome video
Thank you!
Well, if he formed a bond with her just as the bonds he had before the destruction of Malachor V You could say that this bond with Visas gave him a small relief without the necessity to consume others. After all, that was the reason Nihilus became what he was, the loss of those bonds and the pain that it brought to him, so Visas bond most likely gave him some sort of peace albeit small.
Love the channel 💓
Thank you
@@100StarWars you gotta do Darth plagius or Darth bane at some point my man and no problem 💖🤫
My opinion is on the complete opposite. It think saving her was a fluke, but when he realised she survived he became curious. Kreia says in game he cares for nothing.... And oddly her relationship with the exile mirrors that of Nihilus & Visas.
A fair observation! thanks for sharing.
I had a fan theory of the new Disney wars movie that involved Nihalus. So the theory was Nihalus was returning and he was returning though Kylo. Snoke was a herald for the dark lord to prepare Kylo as a vessel for him. It why Luke wanted the Jedi to die and refused to take up arms against the sith knowing he would just be consumed and only strengthening the dark lord. Rey how ever was a wound in the force like the exile was allowing her to use the force to gain experience, power, and skills though others. It also explained why Luke didn't want to train her because he saw another potential monster. Luke didn't think Kylo was irredeemable he just saw the monster that was growing within him
Man's just got the force munchies
I'm gonna end that
Nihilus was misunderstood mich like John Rambo walking into town,....
He just wanted something to eat.
You forgot the part where he ate his own body and that's when he truly became an empty shell.
I do believe that nihilus is actually speaking in a ancient Sith language that we can’t understand but vias can .
Miraluka's have eyes? I thought they just had eye sockets.
I always assumed they shared a force bond and harming her would mean harming himself
I think that is Luke's point in this video though because by Darth Nihilus saving Visas Marr it made their force bond which led to his eventual downfall.
The true question is did Darth Nihilus purposely make the force bond even though he knew it could lead to his death or did he not know that would be the consequence? Because that answer proves what Visas Marr was to him
But a bond doesn't 'just' happen. There has to be an initial cause to the connection
@@100StarWars I just never gave it much thought, anyways Kreia says in game him sparing her was his last shed of humanity, and happened something like in Harry Potter(yeah completely different franchise but there is an example of the situation), when Voldemort tried to kill Harry but he survived, Harry became a Horcrux, they linked, perhaps by surviving the destruction Nihilus unleashed, he himself having survived Malachor, perhaps he understood her, and they linked through his last act of humanity, having been put through that same situation of living while the world dies around you. Or Kreia could have just meant his last human act was out of mercy and not understanding, it makes a lot of sense too. Now why she survived the initial destruction, no reason, the force wanted her to, this explanation fits nicely with the game’s themes of determinism vs free will.
Edit:I was playing and asked Kreia why he spared her, her thesis is he is bound to her
He thought she was hot and was into the whole blind thing.
For real though... what does her species look like under the hood? Do they still have eyes? Or is it just a very large forehead..? Hmmm. If it's the latter, that sounds terrifying.
I have a question about something that disturb me about the sith triumvirate. I think Darth Nihilus is a unique case in star wars and it's strange. Why there is no other sith like him, only trying to satisfy his hunger ?
There is. Darth Vitiate sucked the Force out of his homeworld to become immortal and he planned to do it to the entire galaxy
He is unique because the circumstances that created him are very, very specific. Same as with Exile, it wasn't an accidental even, but it was mostly engineered by Revan. And on top of it, he encountered and discovered preexisting Sith teachings. It's a Force drain, but one on entirely different level.
Interesting perspective, but I think in your humanization of Nihilus, you overshoot and gloss over how deeply abusive his relationship with Visas was
I mean, it's not like everybody doesnt already know that, but it's still somewhat strange that it hardly got a passing mention, especially when you brought up the scene where he straight up mutilates her.
So he became a sith because of the actions of Jedi. Shocker there.
I think that Visas Marr is his daughter. Daughter which he abandoned when he joined Revan in Mandalorian Wars. He could not bring himself to kill his own child, therefore he spared her and made her her apprentice/slave. That would explain his love/hate relationship with her: she is a constant reminder of his past life which he despises.
He needed a witness, and maybe also someone to remind him that he was once human. He is basically a dark mirror of the Exile, as they are opposite results of the same cataclysm -- the Exile turns away from the Force, whereas Nihilus becomes the epitome of a Force "addict" as a result of his transformation. I believe that, when Visas removes his mask, she sees a facsimile of the Exile's face: "A man, nothing more."
In losing his connection to the Force and learning to live without it, the Exile becomes "more" than a man -- the Force is supposed to bind all living things, and yet he now lives 'unbound' by its dicta. His will is entirely his own. Conversely, Nihilus becomes a slave to it, to a degree that no other being in the galaxy can even imagine. For all his 'power' to consume, he becomes the perfect expression of an ordinary being's powerlessness to deny the Force's will. Aboard the Ravager, he attempts to feed on the Exile -- but, much like what happens with the planet below, he finds his prey quite unpalatable due to his being the personified absence of the Force itself. This failed attempt is what weakens Nihilus enough that he can be defeated -- attempting to feed on the Exile is like trying to feed on himself.
Without getting too abstract, I believe Nihilus to be the "shadow" of the Jedi Exile, created through the severance of his Force connection and the "gap" that leaves in the fabric of the Universe. Upon defeating him, the Exile 'regains' his connection to the living Force in some sense, even though the echo of Malachor still exists and continues to travel.
NGL i figured you were gonna say that she had become a wound in the force such as him and he could not abosrb her so he kept her as atool or sometihng
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Nihilus knows a cute bootie when he senses it.
She saved her to give to me obviously
Visas Marr was my favourite companion
Her voice win you over? ;)
@@100StarWars Yes. That and she was a woman of mystery. Easy to turn to the darkside (cooler gameplay IMHO)
She won my soul for sure
The most hangry force user ever.
Kreia believed that Nihilus was bound to Visas in the same way that Kreia was bound to Meetra.
But Kreia created the bond with Meetra... *Hmmmm*
@@100StarWars, yes that's very true. I was just remembering the conversation that Kreia had with Meetra about Nihilus. What's also interesting is that Nihilus was still human enough to feel betrayal when Visas sided with Meetra aboard the Ravager. It's a really good point that you made in this video that Nihilus didn't lose all his humanity. You've given us a very interesting perspective, thanks for doing this video. I really appreciate and enjoy your work... keep up the great work!
One of the primary lessons a Sith Master must understand is....A Master with no apprentice is a Master of Nothing ( a teacher wit no students is a teacher of nothing ).
I differ with some of your assessments.....Nigilus definitely did cause this girl pain ; At times just to do it to keep the fear of " god " in Her. He kept Her alive or saved Her because She was a person whom had an experience much like His and wanted some one around who is suffering the pain of those memlries etc as well. Thats some cold ish but also bond forming and makes them relatable via that if nothing else.
I never realized She was a young girl.
He effed up by thinking She xld defeat anyone or anything that He sent Her to defeat and bring back to Him.Too much belief in Her abilities.Shoulda left Meetra Surik alone, kept Marr away from Her. And figured out another solution to the soon to come attempt on His existence.
6:38 well he is
Here's a video that could be just humorous fun:
Every time on Peragus, when T3 goes to the terminal to open the elevator for Atton and the Exile, T3 turns around and starts screaming beeps. I've always imagined him saying, "YOU!!! You're the (*long string of expletives*) that murdered 3C! I'll ********* kill you!"
So, hear me out, **'What if T3-M4 had saved 3C-FD by defeating HK-50 aboard the Ebon Hawk?'**
How would T3 do it? Would he push HK out the airlock? Have a friendly philosophical chat with him? Fistfight? Bring his army of seeker drones to bear?
How would that epic confrontation impact the rest of TSL? Would Peragus blow up anyways? What would Darth Sion do if he never received the distress signal? Would Atton Rand ever meet the Exile? Would he ever see her in her underwear and shamelessly check her out? Would the crazy miners still sell Meetra out to the Exchange? So many questions and possibilities. That one moment changed the course of the entire galaxy.
He was barely a man anymore so he was a more a anomaly of pure instinct to feed on the force it eventually controlled him. With that being said tho I he still had some humanity left in him like Kreia mentioned and human beings by nature need a sense of belonging or some sort of companionship perhaps he wanted someone to see the galaxy as he did.
One thing that always bugs me about how people write Sith is they always go what I call stupid evil (a term I picked up to describe how people play chaotic evil alignment) but that's not what been a Sith is, there is nothing in the Sith code about been evil or harming others, a Sith can love and have friends.
So two examples of Sith that are going to fight each other one has followers that are terrified of him the other has follower that love and are devoted to him, who would win?
I say it's the one that inspired devotion in his follower (assuming training and gear is equal) as for the most part people will fight harder to protect the ones they love than for one's they are scaired of.
Now the Sith with follower that love them dosnt need to actually love his followers back, they could only be tools to him but their his tools and the best tools you look after, a sword cuts better when you look after it, but sadly when people write Sith they have them using blunt broken tools that they regularly beat up or electrocut.
Heck yes
Poor Nihilus
He just hangry :((
@@100StarWars and lonely apparently
@@bullseye5262 aren't we all :(
@@100StarWars eh, maybe.
What race is Darth kreia
Human!
Did you just say "consummation" instead of "consumption"? Those are VERY different things. 1:46
It would seem I accidentally said consummation yes 😂
@@100StarWars Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure he loved the force... Just not in that way
A lot of people miss the subtext of Nihilus that's described by Kreia and by Visas. Nihilus is basically not there by the time we encounter him, so applying to him any immoral intent is like applying ill will to a zombie. There is nothing there to will, not really, it's all enslaved by the power he possesses and his state as a Wound in the Force.
I’d say there’s obvious reasons as to why
She looks like a red young Kreia.
nwn2 mask of the betrayer?
The quick answer; because he was sick of MasterCard....
maybe he didnt want to be alone.
He reminds me of Dracula, a little
It makes sense why!
@@100StarWars yep especially the woman that is the last remnant of his humanity
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Wow Darth Nihilus and Eren Yeager have a lot in common.
Funny how the bad guy on the cover of the game barely shows up and gets wrecked so easily.
Atris caused the devastation of visas marr home planet.
Visas should have been mad at Atris for trying to lure a dark presence (nihilus) and trying to destroy it.
That’s true
You should make a video about why darth nihilus's hood looks weird😂
Among Sith Lords a Master with no apprentice is a Master of nothing.Nihilus knew He needed an apprentice and being as bad ass as He was,He needed a suitably bad ass apprentice.One who was particularly equipped to deal with and withstand His peculiar powers.Or should i say He needed a toy strong enough for Him not to break.
And after He found her still alive on Kataar after draining it,He knew she was the one who could survive even being in His presence without being slowly drained of Her lifeforce and dying.She was the only being "tailor "made" to be His apprentice.The only thing He cldnt anticipate was His bad treatment of her would turn her against Him.
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He's just got way too much story for me to cover.
Tbh, I think I know why Nihilus x Visas Marr fanficts and fanart exists. Bro actually cared for Bisas and was pissed she betrayed him
My Opinion: Visas was simmilar to Nihilus she survived the Death of Katar like he survived the Death of Malakor 5 and that is the Reason why he saved her.
I hate to be pedantic but he actually spared her
From Visas' perspective.
I love Darth Nihilus
Me too Holocron... Me too.
So you are saying that he wanted to do good by destroying the force no matter the cost?
everyone needs a pet