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Oh no I have no hate towards Disney I find the movies very fun and will love it because it's Star Wars no matter what, but what you said about money and not wanting to go deep because it's all a business is so accurate. Now EA on the other hand...well I won't go there
Well...they are to blame for not producing a Kotor 3. It was nearly in production when Bioware was bought out. Mass Effect took Precedent as well as Dragon Age. The MMO was pawned off to a separate portion of Bioware in Texas I believe. Of course EA wanted to have an MMO under their belt. Everyone wants in on the next best MMO that will milk them money. That being said, they could be in a position to develop a Kotor3 once they figure out that will make them a lot of money. I get the feeling Disney and EA want to be mutually beneficial towards each other, so all we get is awful Battlefront games that reference the films. The corporate control of this IP is truly fucked. Even though Disney completely dissolved all Star Wars lore as not canon, they have this goal of trying to keep people indoctrinated. I could care less about episode 9 and I would not want Disney to make an Old Republic style movie because they would never be able to show the complexities of situations. As well as cutting a ton of the story to fit it in some nice trilogy.
No there wont be one... the new owners (disney) have already stated, (in a way) that their story will be original.. even though it's off the basis of an already and well produced story... it's all legends my friend.. and any new "old, old" star wars stories will be cannon above what we've witnessed today... as far as Disney is concerned, Revan never existed period.
I couldn't agree more with you about how they treated Meetra in the MMO game. I felt while everyone was upset with Episode 1-2-3. Revan, Bastila, and Meetra kept Star Wars on life support till Episode 7 came out. It's good to see Meetra fans out there. Thanks for the video!
No matter how you play Meetra, she is a very human character even though she was overpowered, Rey is the overpowered plank of wood in Star Wars. Meetra also had an explanation for her power, Rey was woman power SJW nonsense.
@@stephenhansen1789 How the hell can you say that Meetra was a "very human character" when we play as Meetra in the game? We choosing how to play doesn't make her a good character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 I think the writing for the player dialogue and the way that Obsidian portrayed Meetra in key scenarios (like stabbing her lightsaber into the center-stone of the counsel chamber) made her human. She wasn't the emotionless calm jedi, she was strong-willed and principled even if she never says a word, and the writing for a lot of the player choices reflects that pretty well. I also wouldn't really say she was overpowered story-wise, certainly way way way less so than they're making Rey or the new Palpatine now days.
I going to quickly explain the events of Knights of the Old Republic 2 for those who are not familiar. I chose not to include it in the video, because it's a relatively well known story, and the length would've been increased by a good 5 minutes! Meetra returns to known space, and it's captured by a HK-50 droid (who is a bounty hunter), and is taken to the peragus fuel station to wait for pickup. The HK-50 kills all of the miners on the space station, and the deaths unintentionally sustain her, and it reawakens Meetra's ability to hear the force! She escapes the facility after a near miss with the sith lord Darth Sion, with the help of Smuggler Atton Rand and the mysterious Kreia. She arrives at Telos, and is taken into custody by the police, because they believe she destroyed Peragus. In the meantime, the Ebon Hawk is stolen. She takes a space shuttle down to telos' surface, and meets former friend Bao-Dur. They then find a hidden jedi temple in the polar regions of Telos, where she finds former Jedi Master Atris. She is then told about the surviving, but hidden Jedi Masters on the Planets - Onderon, Nar Shaddaa, Dantooine and Korriban. She goes on an adventure to reunite to jedi, as a means to find out what happened to her. Once she reunites them, The Jedi reveal that she cut her own connection to the force, as a means to save herself. The Jedi try to sever Meetra again, because they fear her ability to drain the lives of others. Kreia, interrupts, and kills the Jedi, revealing herself to be Darth Traya, and also revealing her plan to destroy the force itself. Traya returns to Malachor V, and in the meantime, the Sith Lord Darth Nihilus attacks Telos. Meetra goes to aid Telos, and defeats Nihilus with the help of the Mandalorians. She then travels to Malachor 5 to end Traya. She is halted by Darth Sion, and she ultimately helps him to let go, and die. She then finds Traya in an ancient sith academy deep inside the planet and defeats her. She escapes Malachor, after it is destroyed by Bao-Durs remote, who reactivates the Mass Shadow Generator for a second time, and destroys the planet. That is the entire plot of Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords. Of course, there is a lot more to it, but that is the basic outline for the story!
100% Star Wars Be awesome if you did a video on her time in KOTOR2, image there's a far bit of interest for that, as it's an awesome story with Kreia (and whispers of Revan) that many want to hear again. Awesome videos, especially the characters explained playlist.
As many times as ive played the games ive never heard the name meetra. And this summary is the best thing since sliced bread. Theres so many layers to the game that i missed as a kid playing it.
I feel I speak on behalf of the _Kotor_ fans when I say the second instalment was the true ending for the Exile. What happened thereafter was left to the fans to ponder. What came after in the books and later games were not true to the originals. Revan should have remained masked and somewhat silent and The Exile was on par with Revan, if not a better warrior but with Revan being more strategic- perhaps. They should continue the story in a Third instalment and simply act as if the others didn’t exist 😂. *NotMyExile*
I think that her and revan ending in swtor and the books might have been the right ending because of what traya says to the exile in kotor 2. That the force has its own will and all those force users, especially the strong ones like meetra and revan, are playballs for the force and that they will die, like all the others before and after them.
*Goes on to become one of the greatest fighters in the war against armour-clad, world-destroying brutes, becomes a wound in the force, trains the true Jedi who would one day rebuild the Order, defeats the Sith Triumvirate (who are three of the deadliest and most interesting Sith Lords who have ever lived), goes onto rescue the Prodigal Knight...* ...and gets instantly killed with a literal backstab. *What the fuck is this horseshit?!*
@@tommygunengineer9184 It's called bullfuckingshit writing and a sad destruction of a character that is not even Bioware's. It's funny how through the story of the The Exile Obsidian actually made Revan a more of a BADASS than Bioware did in KOTOR 1. I just hope somehow Disney retcons the Revan novel and allows us to have a KOTOR 3 with both The Exile and Revan.
To me there is a difference between the Jedi Exile and Meetra Surik, which is strange to say, but not unreasonable. I say that because the character of the Jedi Exile in KOTOR II was very powerful and had a very strange connection to the force as she was a wound in the force and created intense force bonds, etc... By Contrast, Meetra Surik in The Old Republic: Revan by Drew Karpyshyn, which is where she gets her canonized name and gender is just a secondary character that while a strong light side jedi is nothing special. Karpyshyn really tones her down compared to her game incarnation, which I get why as the book is primarily about Revan. but still, the author did her a grave misservice in the book. I know they had to write things a certain way for the SWTOR game that was coming out and needed things to line up properly for the direction that game was taken. Regardless, I think the Exile got the short end of the stick.
I echo your thoughts exactly. Although I like the name 'Meetra Surik' and her being a female character, that's about it. They're definitely different characters in my eyes too. The Drew version of The Exile is so disrespectful to the character Chris Avellone created for KOTOR 2. Which is funny, because The Revan character that Drew made for the book 'Revan' was so disrespectful to the character he had created for KOTOR 1 😂
100% Star Wars Well in all fairness I doubt that the outcome of the book was even Drew’s vision. Think about it. You don’t give your baby a very embarrassing and disappointing end. I believe it was BioWare that told Drew what the outcome should be so they could line it up with their sub par mmo
I absolutely agree. Meetra’s appearances in the book and SWTOR were a severe insult to the character. All of KOTOR 2 seems to be glossed over as having not happened, or as being irrelevant, which is really thoroughly frustrating. The book in particular is poor with this, completely ignoring the destruction of the Jedi Order, but the MMO does the same. Meetra pretty much saved and rebuilt the whole damned Jedi Order, but in all of the Star Wars EU, her name has never been spoken aloud. So...yeah. Sad times. She is such a wonderful character, one of the most intriguing Jedi we’ve ever seen, but Bioware just threw her away as disposable canon fodder.
Cailus Griffin Your comment is exactly how I feel.. so thanks. I hope they ret-con what happened with Revan and The Exile and just give them the endings they deserve.
I think the reason I hate the fate of Revan and Meetra in the novel is because, in a franchise that kinda/gets off on its happy endings, I feel like these two, Bastila included, were warranted some. These weren’t just characters that we saw and fell in love with (Luke, Leia, Han, etc), but characters who we actually were. Characters who we spent hours, if not days or weeks, embodying. And to see them essentially get washed to make way for the MMO just hurts me. I love The Old Republic, but I tend to ignore the Revan stuff, because the fates of the characters just sours me.
Man I really like the portraial of Revan and Meetra Surik in the KotOR series, but you just made me both scared and curious about that novel. Is it the one titled "Revan"? Might take a look.. Didn't care that much for Bastila due to how annoying she was in KotOR 1 (the memes about her being so defiant of Malak while he was torturing her, only to turning DSide in the next in-game 5 minutes, were hilarious tho, ngl)
@@nmpltleopardi It is indeed the one called Revan. If you really want to read it, then by all means, it’s an interesting read. But if you go into it being a big fan of KOTOR and KOTOR 2, you’re probably gonna be pissed off.
Blame Drew Karpyshyn for that! XD. No not really, he's made some really good stuff, but it's clearly a shoehorn for the characters and it was a lazy attempt.
It was the only way she could fulfill the role Karpyshynn wanted, which is a massive crutch in his writing - when he needs something to happen, the skill, power, and experience of a character means nothing. She's powerful enough to dissolve into the Force and become a Force spirit to strengthen Revan (an unusual ability in the Old Republic), but not powerful enough to see Scourge's sudden treachery. It's why each character in both KotoR I and II get captured over and over again (often by chumps) while still being able to overthrow Malak, Sion, Nihilus, and Traya.
she didnt see scourge's betrayal coming because he did not decide or intend to betray them until the last second where he had his final vision. his betrayal wasnt a true betrayal but a set-up to pave the way for the jedi who would eventually kill the emperor. he was still on their side even when he was killing meetra. thats why she never saw it coming, because there was no treachery present in his mind.
I can actually buy that but I'm a bit too ready to see problems in Karpyshynn's writing when they seem to be consistent with other genuinely poor moments. I think Karpyshynn has some amazing ideas but he can be really lazy in some places. I shouldn't bring too much negativity though, since you're right, that's a fair point and plausible reason.
@@100StarWars Karpshyn only did this to drag Revan to the MMO where Revan's popularity would make sure that more people played the game and to squeeze even more money out of it by using it on an expansion.(I don't think Drew is entirely to blame though. It's likely that Bioware and EA demanded him to find out some way to shoehorn Revan to the MMO)
Meetra was a badass character in KOTOR! I agree with you about all that! I loved the SWTOR game too, but I wish Meetra and Reven didn't have to go out the way they did to make that happen. But its not canon anymore so fingers crossed for a remake!
If SWTOR didn't have anything to do with KOTOR, I would've loved it! And fingers crossed. Things like the Ebon Hawk's ship class and hammerhead cruisers are now canon so we have to wait and see!
Always loved kortor really wish we could get a kortor 3 with meetra and revan together on the battlefeild would be awesome to see but we got the old republic instead lol
The fact she strolled into the Traya Academy and took down scores of dark jedi and sith on her lonesome is Gat Damn Epic... Seen as I'm the one that did it 😎
It's just. It's the player character If they just called the character The Exile or something and say that The Jedi Exile was male or female it would feel better. Espeecially Since I always play as a male jedi
True. Even though The Old Republic Era is no longer canon. Though they are trying to bring it back inch by inch. Revan I consider cannon cause they were about to introduce him to the newer Clone Wars TV show.
KOTOR 2 was 100% the better game in my opinion. Even with bugs and missing content it was amazing. The restored content mod only further distanced itself from the first game.
My friend I had to again come back to this video because this is where it started for me knowing about you back in April 2017. It's been 4 years now since I started corresponding with you and on this video. After I had watched all of Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile i was curious and fascinated to know more about her and that's when I discovered your UA-cam channel. Going back to your last video I also enjoyed watching Meetra's story arc from KOTOR 2 but I have to say I liked how Darthycey changed the ending of Meetra being killed by Lord Scourge when rescuing Revan. Meetra Surik's story arc deserved a better ending and I agree with you that SWTOR treated her character terribly in the game. Your friendship has meant a lot to me my friend
My friend I had to come back to this video again like last year because this is where it all started for me. It's been 3 years now since I discovered this video after watching Darthycey's videos about Meetra Surik because she's such a fascinating character and began corresponding with you. I've so enjoyed watching all your videos to understand the vast galaxy of Star Wars since before I met you my knowledge of KOTOR came from the fan made videos. It also means so much to me that you've also put up with me for this long😂only 4 episodes of Clone Wars left and I'm not happy about it. We have no more Star Wars content after Clone Wars ends because the Mandalorian won't return until October and it's just rumor going around about a sequel to the Rebels series. All we have left is the Star Wars comics? Anyway thank you my friend for letting me be a part of the Star Wars universe with you. Please take and be safe in these uncertain times we're in🙏
I could only imagine the smile on Meetra’s face when she went to meet Bastilla and saw a small brown haired boy about 4 years of age nervously hiding behind Bastilla looking at Meetra only to find out this was Revan’s son Vaner
Just know I consider her to be one of The Greatest Jedi Masters to have ever lived and I consider her official master to be Kavar because I feel like he’s a great teacher for someone like Meetra Surik that and because there’s just something about him I like dunno what it is but I just like him
Great video for a great but often overlooked character, and you are quite correct how poorly they wrote the ending of her story. I'll never forgive The Old Republic for how it treated all the characters from Kotor 1 & 2, you put it very well how they where treated and it's truly a shame as they where far superior characters.
TOR ruined both Darth Revan and the Exile with the book. They shouldn't had man the characters with a defined template and ret-con everyone's choices to the writers own. They should've just either avoided the characters or not be directly involved. This is just really annoying for fans of the games to know anything they make is now meaningless because TOR subverts it all. The book as well. But yeah, fuck you EAware and #NotMyCanon
Unknown Killer You know that the book only connected TOR with KOTOR? I like the book a lot. The book cant make revan slay the emperor when the game shows something else. The book would ve been different if Bioware didnt butcher the kotor series
MMMM delishous Star Wars subversion. don't you just love it when you order a chocolate milk shake and it turns out to be strawberry, that really subverts my expectations and makes me feel grateful, I hate getting what I ask and pay for. (sarcastic comment)
I love your channel, your content, and especially your writing and narrative style. It makes me wish you’d consider writing SW short stories and novellas, especially about Revan. Not necessarily about changing his history, so to speak, but maybe using artistic license to do a story about some mini adventures to fill in the spaces between his major plot points. And of course something similar with Meetra, Bastilla, Satele, Tasiele, and all the other ‘real’ SW heroines.
... yea, very disrespectful and inglorious ending of the story about one of the greatest heroes in Jedi history... another sad thing is that she could not [or didn't even attempt ?] to reform the Jedi Order [preferably the Code too] with all the wisdom she gained from Kreia and personal experience. So Jedi stayed stagnant inquisitory Order for centuries while the Sith evolved multiple times ...
This was an extremely well-written explanation of this Jedi character. Genuinely impressed, especially considering the complexity of the source material. I agree that the mmo story really did not do her justice - really disappointing. I'd love if we could get another Star Wars game like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, but considering they're officially Disney-non-canonical I highly doubt that. Suppose we'll just have to leave that to fanfiction!
Thank you, that means a lot ❤ I think we'll see some more KOTOR stories in the future, it only makes sense. But with that, I don't think they'll have the same quality, because they're likely to be very restrained in how far they can go with the storytelling. Whether they will be games though, I don't know.
Love your contents... the beautiful enriched lore of the Kotor series and the most magnificent storytelling for it's time and all time I believe! Am really glad you are keeping them alive for future Star Wars fan as well as nostalgic fans such as me! Great job! 👌👌
Is Tatooine a wound in the Force too ? That's kinda the impression I was under when the Tuskan Raiders explained their history. And it would explain a lot of stuff.
Who else is disappointed with the fact the the exile lost to Darth nihirous or what ever she was called. I mean killing three of the most deadly Sith in an row and then oh look a member of the dark council time to die
those sith were not TRUE sith. they did not grow their powers in the same way the true sith empire cultivated their acolytes. nihilus, traya, and sion were weaklings compared to nihirous and the other sith on the dark council.
14:25 and on you play a piano cover of the restored Jedi Enclave music from KotOR 2, one of my absolute favorite tracks in the whole game. But I can't find it anywhere on Lucas King's channel! Do you know what it's called?
It's a strange one xD It's on a channel called Lucas King - But I'm not completely sure if it's THE Lucas King. I've contacted him to see if it is, but I never got a response. Anyway, here is the cover - ua-cam.com/video/wGkD8WLI_gs/v-deo.html
Really wasn't impressed with the Revan novelisation. I mean, both heroes go out like beyotches! Can't one SW hero 'ever' get a happy ending? Even up to the present day in Legends, it sucks to be the hero, since Luke's wife is killed by his nephew! (Kinda like what happened in the new movies too.)
Luke had a happy ending at the end of return of the Jedi! They haven't made any more star wars movies have they? It would suck if they ignored the title of that movie that flat out said Luke was unambiguously going to reestablish the Jedi order after saving his father's soul and over throwing the evil empire restoring freedom to the millions of worlds in the Galaxy. Best. Ending. Ever. Hopefully some hack doesn't come along and ruin that.
Shes super interesting. Her unusual and unique wound in force reminds me alot on blanks from warhammer 40k, basically a individuals who had negative souls so any powerful spelluser near them would have their powers diminished if not straight negated. Kinda makes me think on that subject, what if Emperor vitiate created some sort of ripple in force with hes obscene dark side sorcery and she was one that got affected on opposite side of spectrum, her soul becoming negative in a way cause of emperor. Kinda like same thing like in movie Unbreakable, emperor being like matter and her being like anti-matter. Imagine if shes destined to kill emperor and restore balance and have her wound soul healed trough it, could be an interesting idea for her expanded story ark.
One of the most complex and tragic characters in the entire franchise. Honestly a better character than Revan in a lot of ways, who is also right up there for most compelling characters.
i felt a bit of desperation while playing kotor 2 due to the state of the galaxy, but i realized i actually liked not having any insane fleets in play like sith armada from kotor. i like the idea of skilled, powerful force user travelling the galaxy. dealing with everyday ppl problems.
Everything was amazing! ...Until TOR. Damn them for the bad writing of Revan, the Exile and their associations. So much wasted potential. One thing that always pissed me off is how the Exile apparently becomes a Force ghost after her unceremonious death (seriously, the woman was a war machine. She shouldn't have been that easy to kill). Hoe exactly could she, a wound in the Force, a breach cut off from it that didn't have a true connection to it after the Mandalorian Wars, manage to become a Force ghost, which is effectively a sentient spirit within the Force!? Hell, if they needed her spirit they could have done something more interesting by having her be more of a sentient echo, not a Force ghost but a Force absence. Not sure how that would work, but it'd be better than making her a generic Force ghost!
I really think that makes sense. Like an absence that can be felt and heard like a ghost, but not a ghost. I like it! But yeah, I don't like how she died either or their treatment of any of the characters.
Thanks! Thought it would have made the most sense; it could be called something like a Force shadow, a presence parting it and flitting through it rather than emerging from it. Like in life, the shadow of her could cause disquiet and unease in those near it due to still being a wound. Anyway, yeah, the games did not treat any of the old characters well. Even Revan is a shell of a character compared to the background we got before. Would of been interesting if they had actually kept with the original game in his case I think - that Revan himself was gone, and the person the Jedi had made out of him was his own individual, merely bearing the memories of the one who came before rather than being the same man with amnesia (so slightly similar to Steven in the cartoon 'Steven Universe'). If I may further blabber on - one theory I've seen that the games actually give a lot of weight for is how Revan and the Exile were not friends but rivals, perhaps even ideological enemies. It almost mirrors the Sith Triumvirate - the Jedi General Triumvirate of the Mandalorian Wars. Kreia, SIon, Nihlius mirroring Revan, Malak and the Exile.
It's far from unheard of. There are many accounts in both reality (Churchill and Stalin would be the first example coming to mind for me there) and fiction of skilled rivals, friendly or not, having to work together for one reason or another, and the rivals will typically trust in each other simply because they both know the other can get the job done well at minimum. Besides, I'm not certain the Exile is ever called Revan's most trusted ally in KotOR 2 (the MMO and its books/comics may say such, but I don't trust them much due to how badly they treated the past content of their world). The Exile certainly had some form of mutual respect for Revan, and Revan certainly saw her as useful, but it seems far more likely that he trusted Malak over the Exile.
Oh I don't doubt that he trusted Malak more, afterall, they were like brothers more than allies. But in my headcanon, Meetra and Revan were extremely good friends, as well as trusted allies.
Dun Moch is not a combat form but a tactic. Further she was not one of the only Jedi to master it. Its commonly seen used by Obi Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Ashoka and many others.
So good I guess I had to watch it again. At 5:34 where Revan is shown with the other Jedi, and all turned to the Dark Side (save Meetra), it looks as if the Jedi in this image all look like Revan. Is this simply an artistic choice for some particular subject, or did his followers, and specifically these Dark Jedi, adopt his helmet, armor, and cloak as a uniform of sorts? Also, at 12:33, when you stated Meetra was “unable to become one w the Force…,” was that because of her choice to have her spirit remain with Revan, or was there something beyond her control that prevented her transition?
That Papatia Quinn’s master was Bastilia and she was a beacon at an early age! That was I the one who taught them to see through the force!!!! ❤❤❤Papatia Quinn
After all these years Kotor has been out, it still never ceases to amaze me what depths the story and characters reached. The dialogue and lore are so rich. The arrogance and one-sided nature of the Jedi is put on display. The Jedi are no longer a group to be admired, but instead almost scorned for remaining aloof from the conflicts across the galaxy in their self-righteousness. George Lucas created an amazing universe in the original trilogy, but I much prefer the conflicts in the Old Republic. There's so much more grey area to explore. The new trilogy really set a new low for Star Wars. The deeper themes were completely ignored for a $ grab.
Can you do one of these about Satele Shan, if you haven’t already. She’s my favourite female SW character. And maybe do one on Nomi Sunrider? She’s badass too.
They both have really long stories (especially Satele) that wouldn't fit my style of storytelling at this present time. But, with that said I do want to find a way to tell their stories in the future in some way :)
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Fun video idea, Revan, Meetra Surik, and Alek while they are all still serving the light side, but basically right after the Mandalorian war, get sucked through a wormhole into the future to the initial outbreak of the Clone Wars. How does is change things?
After learning about her story post KotOR 2, I truly wish they'd left off with her rebuilding the Jedi order. It would have been plenty lazy enough to suit them too I'd wager lol. The way I like to see it is that Revan's role was a costly journey to save the Repubic from the negligence of the Jedi order, and Meetra's role was to rebuild the Jedi better afterwards. Would have been an infinitely better legacy than simply running off shortly after KotOR 2 to be a sacrificial supporting character that was discarded in the service of Revan's continuing story. I love Revan too, but she was every bit the deeply motivated *protagonist* in her own story that he was of his, and she deserved to keep that status. Taking that from her was simply disrespectful to the character, her fans, and the series as a whole. 😤 😅
My friend I've come back to this video because this is where it started for me 2 years ago in April 2017 when I first started corresponding with you. After watching Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik I wanted to know more about her and that's when I discovered this video and your channel. I've enjoyed all your videos and the friendship you've shared with me on your knowledge on Star Wars. My friend I've missed you because it's been 3 months since your last video, I hope your not quitting UA-cam because it would really be a shame. On other issues I found out that the Clone Wars series is coming back in November, Star Wars Celebration is coming up this month and Mark Hamill is voicing Chucky for the reboot of Child's Play!!! I was shocked when I heard they asked Mark to voice the killer doll but then again I couldn't believe it was him who was voicing the Joker in the Batman series. He will always be Luke Skywalker to me so I wish he wasn't going to voice Chucky!!! My friend I hope you'll be coming back soon, take care and may the force be with you. George
I agree with you on how sadly they were written in. So many ppl would not play the mmo if not for revan and the exile. Revan had more power than any protagonist we've seen in this star wars universe. Able to take on the full power of the star forge by himself, defeating bastilla with the star forge powering her. Then defeating countless droids and triumph over malak who could regenerate himself over and over. Near invincibility. And the exiles power to drain her enemies of the force and master there battle forms, find there weakness and use them against her enemies. Yet in the mmo they were overpowered on many occasions. Revan is a fan favorite and kotor 1 was game of the year for a reason and it's still one of the best star wars stories of all time. Kotor 2 is able to rival its story only with the restored content mods.
I think sometimes the stories that are hinted at are better than the answers we get. Before SW:TOR, I assumed that Revan and The Jedi Exile went off to stop the Ancient Sith, a looming threat that no one knew about except Revan and Kreia, that threatened to destroy the whole galaxy. Considering they are still ancient history by the time of the movies, I assumed that they must have succeeded, a story that was easy to believe given their sheer power. No one saw them again, they just took one for the galaxy, because that's what heroes do. SW:TOR relegated them to minor side characters once they were no longer in the hands of the player, which was the main reason I refused to play it. At least Bioware didn't make the same mistake in Dragon Age: Inquisition, where the Hero of Ferelden is conveniently off on an important quest elsewhere, so their badassery can't be contradicted. I consider the Jedi Exile's "Wound in the Force" and it's implications to be the greatest story Star Wars has ever told in any medium.
I'm doubtful there ever will be a Dragon Age 4 considering most of the creative team left Bioware this year. If they do, it will be almost impossible to satisfy everyone with how their own Hero's story goes, though I'd appreciate the effort. There are way more permutations to deal with compared to Revan or The Jedi Exile. I know I would love to see the Hero, Hawke, and the Inquisitor team up, but I don't know if they'll ever have the resources to handle something like that with what they lost this year with ME: Andromeda and how much pressure they're under to make Anthem succeed. It would be simpler to leave little hints about the Hero and not trounce on anyone's dreams.
Quick question where the hell was Bastilla Shan during the Dark Wars, she shows up at the end if your Revan was light side, but they never explain where she's been or why none of the other Jedi seem to acknowledge her presence. p.s. Who was more influential Bastilla or Meetra
Bastila was hiding to protect her and Revan's son - That's a good question... I'd say Meetra. Meetra was vital to the reconstruction of the Jedi philosophy as well as the order itself. She was a key figure in saving the republic from the Mandalorians, and brought down arguably the greatest threat in galactic history in Nihilus. Bastila on the other hand played a part in redeeming Revan, and her battle meditation swung the tide of the Star Forge conflict, that's about it.
Meetra Surik is an alright name. What, were you expecting her to be named Karen or Joe after yourselves?? I have no problem with the name, I have a HUGE problem with what they did with her in that novel, not THAT pisses me off, and as far as I am concerned, there is no story beyond KOTOR II, until we get KOTOR III.
It would be interesting if Meetra returned. She is, in a sense, an anomaly in the force. Not able to fully pass on into the force. May be interesting if she was able to reincarnate in some way.
SWTOR the MMO completely butchered the endings for both Revan and the Exile. Almost everything about their characters were thrown out the window. Revan, for example, was renowned as a brilliant commander and the greatest strategic mind of the age, yet every thing he was reputed to have done/planed or was actually portrayed as doing in TOR was "Dr.Evil" (from Austin Powers) level amateurish.
Who is the Jedi Exile? An awesome character that got ruined by Bioware and Drew Karpshyn(I loved the Bane novels, but I don't think he even knew about the lore of TSL when writing "Revan").
I believe, if Disney ever did a KOTOR movie! This is the story that should be told. Dave Filoni and John Favreau as Executive producers, Derek Kolstad as the screenwriter, Joe and Anthony Russo as directors, Keanu Reeves as Revan, Charlize Theron as Meetra Surik, Charles Dance as Emperor Vitiate and Dave Bautista as Lord Scourge!
Not gonna lie, I had to look up this character after hearing the name every time I dive into something relating to KotOR 2... Turns out this “Meetra Surik” is the canonical Exile... *Bullcrap* ! Am I supposed to believe that the entire RPG design and writing of KotOR 1 & 2 was just for show? I mean, I sure as heck didn’t play as “Meetra Surik” in KotOR 2. I played as my own character! I don’t know about everyone else here, but I found it really annoying that they had to take the characters that WE, THE PLAYERS, were supposed to define for ourselves and canonize their entire freaking character instead of leaving them to our imaginations as WE played them. This somewhat worked with Revan, as the character you played was only a “fake identity” for the pre-established character you were actually playing as all along. (Even then, BioWare still kinda wrote themselves into a corner when trying to leave it to player imagination, especially with female player characters... And this only gets worse overall with their decision to unmask him entirely in SWTOR.) The Exile, on the other hand, is a complete blank slate for the player other than the bits of backstory you get throughout KotOR 2. There’s no excuse for totally overwriting that character like there is for Revan. As far as I’m concerned, Meetra Surik doesn’t exist, at least not as the Exile. The Exile was what I defined him to be, and followed the path I laid out for him. Same goes for any other player. The Exile is what *YOU* imagine them to be in your own playthrough. KotOR is an RPG, not an linear Action/Adventure game.
Now, I realize that there tend to be “canonical endings,” and whatnot... And those are explained pretty well most of the time. Notice that the Lone Wanderer in Fallout 3 canonically sides with the Brotherhood of Steel and gets the “Good Ending,” but Bethesda has never gone in and completely canonized their name, gender, personality, and other character nuances other than that one piece of information. The same applies to Revan when KotOR first came out. He canonically gets the Light Side ending and falls in love with Bastila, though that also creates the only rule-breaker for the latter half to work, being that he is also canonically male (which is part of how they wrote themselves into a corner in terms of player interpretation). But even so, you still get to define Revan’s character however you want within the dialogue at the beginning of KotOR 2, so they did still want to leave it to the player to decide. By doing what they did with both Revan and the Exile in SWTOR, they ruined all of that mystery and room for interpretation for characters we may very well not even recognize as those we played as before.
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100% star wars can you do a video of who is daegen lok please.
My favorite jedi sith in star wars is revan and you have done a lot of videos on him and they are all awesome
@@MoonStar-ux9yx I don't know who daegen lok is so I might learn somthing new about star wars if he does
I just watched your gamplay on that game but I haven't see Revan. In one the. Battle
Peace be upon 🌿 you Mithra!.
Even though Kotor 2 was rushed and incomplete towards the end, the team behind both games are true dedicated Star Wars fans.
It's a beautiful and dark Star Wars story!
A Thought Crime I think Kotor I and II is the best definition of what star wars can be legendary games. But Kotor 2 is the best one.
A Thought Crime I got it on my pc and downloaded the restored content mod. It was so much better then the Vanilla version.
@@100StarWars I never liked it. It needed another sequel. Kotor 1 was better.
They (motor 1 and 2)are the foundation that let Lucas expand the series
I love how ‘strengthen her abilities in the force from people’s deaths’ is basically explaining the in game mechanic of leveling up haha
RIP T3, The real hero of this story...
Not the hero they deserved but the hero they needed
Nihilus word son
@@100StarWars T3 is the hero we all need
Wait, did he die?
@@jlord5078 Unfortunately yes.
This entire storyline is so deep and sooo interesting. Disney and EA is going the opposite direction, we need to go back to the Old Republic!
I have no hate towards either. I just want KOTOR 3 haha.
Oh no I have no hate towards Disney I find the movies very fun and will love it because it's Star Wars no matter what, but what you said about money and not wanting to go deep because it's all a business is so accurate. Now EA on the other hand...well I won't go there
I think EA are being harshly treated, but they have brought most of it upon themselves. I'm 50/50 with them.
Well...they are to blame for not producing a Kotor 3. It was nearly in production when Bioware was bought out. Mass Effect took Precedent as well as Dragon Age. The MMO was pawned off to a separate portion of Bioware in Texas I believe. Of course EA wanted to have an MMO under their belt. Everyone wants in on the next best MMO that will milk them money.
That being said, they could be in a position to develop a Kotor3 once they figure out that will make them a lot of money. I get the feeling Disney and EA want to be mutually beneficial towards each other, so all we get is awful Battlefront games that reference the films.
The corporate control of this IP is truly fucked. Even though Disney completely dissolved all Star Wars lore as not canon, they have this goal of trying to keep people indoctrinated. I could care less about episode 9 and I would not want Disney to make an Old Republic style movie because they would never be able to show the complexities of situations. As well as cutting a ton of the story to fit it in some nice trilogy.
No there wont be one... the new owners (disney) have already stated, (in a way) that their story will be original.. even though it's off the basis of an already and well produced story... it's all legends my friend.. and any new "old, old" star wars stories will be cannon above what we've witnessed today... as far as Disney is concerned, Revan never existed period.
I couldn't agree more with you about how they treated Meetra in the MMO game. I felt while everyone was upset with Episode 1-2-3. Revan, Bastila, and Meetra kept Star Wars on life support till Episode 7 came out. It's good to see Meetra fans out there. Thanks for the video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I totally agree with the lazy writing for the mmo. Revan and the exile deserve so much more. I stopped playing as soon as i played the foundry.
Dan what’s the foundry
@@NathanPaulBell without giving spoilers to the MMO, it's a place where you encounter a couple of fan favourite characters from Kotor 1
Well, thankfully we got more in Echoes of Oblivion!
I chose to Never play that game as its not a True sequel
Meetra over Rey any freakin day.
Hell Yes!
No matter how you play Meetra, she is a very human character even though she was overpowered, Rey is the overpowered plank of wood in Star Wars. Meetra also had an explanation for her power, Rey was woman power SJW nonsense.
@@stephenhansen1789 How the hell can you say that Meetra was a "very human character" when we play as Meetra in the game? We choosing how to play doesn't make her a good character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 good point, however, wouldn't we basically be Meetra Surik, therefore she would be a very human character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 I think the writing for the player dialogue and the way that Obsidian portrayed Meetra in key scenarios (like stabbing her lightsaber into the center-stone of the counsel chamber) made her human. She wasn't the emotionless calm jedi, she was strong-willed and principled even if she never says a word, and the writing for a lot of the player choices reflects that pretty well. I also wouldn't really say she was overpowered story-wise, certainly way way way less so than they're making Rey or the new Palpatine now days.
Ugh. Revan and the Exile deserved so much more. I hate how their stories end and what they were reduced to.
Agreed. They deserved SOOOOOOO much more, it's depressing :(
Because this is clearly what we wanted after KOTOR 2. Thanks EA and Bioware for shitting on 2 badass characters and killing one of my favorite droids.
It was an awful way to end her story.
also they made ME kill 47 (just in case you were talking T3)
Bad they killed the exile out of sole bs and ba revan story, also killed my boy t3 and hk 😭
Manny_Absolute HK-47 actually survived. He was found on Mustafar just before Vader killed all the Separatist leaders. He’s around still.
@@mannylara2930 Old Republic isn't canon.
I going to quickly explain the events of Knights of the Old Republic 2 for those who are not familiar. I chose not to include it in the video, because it's a relatively well known story, and the length would've been increased by a good 5 minutes!
Meetra returns to known space, and it's captured by a HK-50 droid (who is a bounty hunter), and is taken to the peragus fuel station to wait for pickup. The HK-50 kills all of the miners on the space station, and the deaths unintentionally sustain her, and it reawakens Meetra's ability to hear the force! She escapes the facility after a near miss with the sith lord Darth Sion, with the help of Smuggler Atton Rand and the mysterious Kreia.
She arrives at Telos, and is taken into custody by the police, because they believe she destroyed Peragus. In the meantime, the Ebon Hawk is stolen. She takes a space shuttle down to telos' surface, and meets former friend Bao-Dur. They then find a hidden jedi temple in the polar regions of Telos, where she finds former Jedi Master Atris.
She is then told about the surviving, but hidden Jedi Masters on the Planets - Onderon, Nar Shaddaa, Dantooine and Korriban. She goes on an adventure to reunite to jedi, as a means to find out what happened to her. Once she reunites them, The Jedi reveal that she cut her own connection to the force, as a means to save herself. The Jedi try to sever Meetra again, because they fear her ability to drain the lives of others. Kreia, interrupts, and kills the Jedi, revealing herself to be Darth Traya, and also revealing her plan to destroy the force itself.
Traya returns to Malachor V, and in the meantime, the Sith Lord Darth Nihilus attacks Telos. Meetra goes to aid Telos, and defeats Nihilus with the help of the Mandalorians. She then travels to Malachor 5 to end Traya. She is halted by Darth Sion, and she ultimately helps him to let go, and die. She then finds Traya in an ancient sith academy deep inside the planet and defeats her. She escapes Malachor, after it is destroyed by Bao-Durs remote, who reactivates the Mass Shadow Generator for a second time, and destroys the planet.
That is the entire plot of Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords. Of course, there is a lot more to it, but that is the basic outline for the story!
100% Star Wars Be awesome if you did a video on her time in KOTOR2, image there's a far bit of interest for that, as it's an awesome story with Kreia (and whispers of Revan) that many want to hear again.
Awesome videos, especially the characters explained playlist.
As many times as ive played the games ive never heard the name meetra. And this summary is the best thing since sliced bread. Theres so many layers to the game that i missed as a kid playing it.
I feel I speak on behalf of the _Kotor_ fans when I say the second instalment was the true ending for the Exile. What happened thereafter was left to the fans to ponder. What came after in the books and later games were not true to the originals. Revan should have remained masked and somewhat silent and The Exile was on par with Revan, if not a better warrior but with Revan being more strategic- perhaps.
They should continue the story in a Third instalment and simply act as if the others didn’t exist 😂.
*NotMyExile*
Most KOTOR fans probably headcanon the Revan novel and SWTOR out of the story.
I think that her and revan ending in swtor and the books might have been the right ending because of what traya says to the exile in kotor 2. That the force has its own will and all those force users, especially the strong ones like meetra and revan, are playballs for the force and that they will die, like all the others before and after them.
@@100StarWars I thought I was the only one lol
They killed the Exile?? DAMN THEM.
They did indeed :(
*Goes on to become one of the greatest fighters in the war against armour-clad, world-destroying brutes, becomes a wound in the force, trains the true Jedi who would one day rebuild the Order, defeats the Sith Triumvirate (who are three of the deadliest and most interesting Sith Lords who have ever lived), goes onto rescue the Prodigal Knight...*
...and gets instantly killed with a literal backstab.
*What the fuck is this horseshit?!*
Payback for Nihilus.
@@tommygunengineer9184 It's called bullfuckingshit writing and a sad destruction of a character that is not even Bioware's. It's funny how through the story of the The Exile Obsidian actually made Revan a more of a BADASS than Bioware did in KOTOR 1.
I just hope somehow Disney retcons the Revan novel and allows us to have a KOTOR 3 with both The Exile and Revan.
@@coinkidink9997 You're actually HOPING that Disney will give us what we want?
Lol, good one!
To me there is a difference between the Jedi Exile and Meetra Surik, which is strange to say, but not unreasonable. I say that because the character of the Jedi Exile in KOTOR II was very powerful and had a very strange connection to the force as she was a wound in the force and created intense force bonds, etc...
By Contrast, Meetra Surik in The Old Republic: Revan by Drew Karpyshyn, which is where she gets her canonized name and gender is just a secondary character that while a strong light side jedi is nothing special. Karpyshyn really tones her down compared to her game incarnation, which I get why as the book is primarily about Revan. but still, the author did her a grave misservice in the book. I know they had to write things a certain way for the SWTOR game that was coming out and needed things to line up properly for the direction that game was taken. Regardless, I think the Exile got the short end of the stick.
I echo your thoughts exactly. Although I like the name 'Meetra Surik' and her being a female character, that's about it. They're definitely different characters in my eyes too. The Drew version of The Exile is so disrespectful to the character Chris Avellone created for KOTOR 2. Which is funny, because The Revan character that Drew made for the book 'Revan' was so disrespectful to the character he had created for KOTOR 1 😂
100% Star Wars Well in all fairness I doubt that the outcome of the book was even Drew’s vision. Think about it. You don’t give your baby a very embarrassing and disappointing end. I believe it was BioWare that told Drew what the outcome should be so they could line it up with their sub par mmo
I absolutely agree. Meetra’s appearances in the book and SWTOR were a severe insult to the character. All of KOTOR 2 seems to be glossed over as having not happened, or as being irrelevant, which is really thoroughly frustrating. The book in particular is poor with this, completely ignoring the destruction of the Jedi Order, but the MMO does the same. Meetra pretty much saved and rebuilt the whole damned Jedi Order, but in all of the Star Wars EU, her name has never been spoken aloud.
So...yeah. Sad times. She is such a wonderful character, one of the most intriguing Jedi we’ve ever seen, but Bioware just threw her away as disposable canon fodder.
Cailus Griffin Your comment is exactly how I feel.. so thanks.
I hope they ret-con what happened with Revan and The Exile and just give them the endings they deserve.
@@100StarWars Agreed on both points!
I think the reason I hate the fate of Revan and Meetra in the novel is because, in a franchise that kinda/gets off on its happy endings, I feel like these two, Bastila included, were warranted some. These weren’t just characters that we saw and fell in love with (Luke, Leia, Han, etc), but characters who we actually were. Characters who we spent hours, if not days or weeks, embodying. And to see them essentially get washed to make way for the MMO just hurts me. I love The Old Republic, but I tend to ignore the Revan stuff, because the fates of the characters just sours me.
Man I really like the portraial of Revan and Meetra Surik in the KotOR series, but you just made me both scared and curious about that novel. Is it the one titled "Revan"? Might take a look.. Didn't care that much for Bastila due to how annoying she was in KotOR 1 (the memes about her being so defiant of Malak while he was torturing her, only to turning DSide in the next in-game 5 minutes, were hilarious tho, ngl)
@@nmpltleopardi It is indeed the one called Revan. If you really want to read it, then by all means, it’s an interesting read. But if you go into it being a big fan of KOTOR and KOTOR 2, you’re probably gonna be pissed off.
Nice one! Can't believe she fell to a backstab though, of all things.
Blame Drew Karpyshyn for that! XD. No not really, he's made some really good stuff, but it's clearly a shoehorn for the characters and it was a lazy attempt.
It was the only way she could fulfill the role Karpyshynn wanted, which is a massive crutch in his writing - when he needs something to happen, the skill, power, and experience of a character means nothing. She's powerful enough to dissolve into the Force and become a Force spirit to strengthen Revan (an unusual ability in the Old Republic), but not powerful enough to see Scourge's sudden treachery.
It's why each character in both KotoR I and II get captured over and over again (often by chumps) while still being able to overthrow Malak, Sion, Nihilus, and Traya.
she didnt see scourge's betrayal coming because he did not decide or intend to betray them until the last second where he had his final vision. his betrayal wasnt a true betrayal but a set-up to pave the way for the jedi who would eventually kill the emperor. he was still on their side even when he was killing meetra. thats why she never saw it coming, because there was no treachery present in his mind.
I can actually buy that but I'm a bit too ready to see problems in Karpyshynn's writing when they seem to be consistent with other genuinely poor moments. I think Karpyshynn has some amazing ideas but he can be really lazy in some places. I shouldn't bring too much negativity though, since you're right, that's a fair point and plausible reason.
@@100StarWars
Karpshyn only did this to drag Revan to the MMO where Revan's popularity would make sure that more people played the game and to squeeze even more money out of it by using it on an expansion.(I don't think Drew is entirely to blame though. It's likely that Bioware and EA demanded him to find out some way to shoehorn Revan to the MMO)
Meetra was a badass character in KOTOR! I agree with you about all that! I loved the SWTOR game too, but I wish Meetra and Reven didn't have to go out the way they did to make that happen. But its not canon anymore so fingers crossed for a remake!
If SWTOR didn't have anything to do with KOTOR, I would've loved it! And fingers crossed. Things like the Ebon Hawk's ship class and hammerhead cruisers are now canon so we have to wait and see!
If I am right informed there will be a kotor based movie soon.. Do you guys have some more information? Cheers
She's in my opinion, the best written female character in all of Star Wars.
I think Kreia is a bit superior but Meetra is awesome!
Always loved kortor really wish we could get a kortor 3 with meetra and revan together on the battlefeild would be awesome to see but we got the old republic instead lol
I'm not much of a fan of the SWTOR stories. I enjoy is as a game, but not as a KOTOR sequel.
100% Star Wars same here bro i like swtor but would have prefered a kortor 3 personally anyway
I've got my fingers crossed that we get a reboot one day!
100% Star Wars i wouldnt even mind a remaster of the first two but still need a third to end it i reckon
I WOULD LOVE a remaster so much. Could you imagine it completely visually overhauled, with new content and characters and quests!?
The fact she strolled into the Traya Academy and took down scores of dark jedi and sith on her lonesome is Gat Damn Epic...
Seen as I'm the one that did it 😎
Basically the female Star Wars Version of Kazuma Kiryu from Yakuza
One-shotting entire rooms with force storm had me on a power trip
@@MenagerieOfMadness501 imagine their shock seeing a Jedi use Lightening Storm
a character liked this earned a better end to her adventure
Hopefully if/when they canonise the games, they'll retcon her death.
one thing i don't like is that they gave the player character the name Meetra Surick. I never named my version of the Exile that name.
I quite like the name personally.
It's just. It's the player character If they just called the character The Exile or something and say that The Jedi Exile was male or female it would feel better. Espeecially Since I always play as a male jedi
Aye, but when you want to make a canonical character, you have to set some parameters.
True. Even though The Old Republic Era is no longer canon. Though they are trying to bring it back inch by inch. Revan I consider cannon cause they were about to introduce him to the newer Clone Wars TV show.
I named my character Darth Exileus XD
KOTOR 2 was 100% the better game in my opinion. Even with bugs and missing content it was amazing. The restored content mod only further distanced itself from the first game.
I still hate what SWTOR did to Revan and Meetra.
Well hope you're ready for a rebooted Disney canon of Kotor and Kotor 2.
No Malakor V and possible reckoning of many things from the EU.
I've always loved the fact that she returned to the Council after the Mandalorian Wars to face judgement.
She's an honest kinda gal.
My friend I had to again come back to this video because this is where it started for me knowing about you back in April 2017. It's been 4 years now since I started corresponding with you and on this video. After I had watched all of Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile i was curious and fascinated to know more about her and that's when I discovered your UA-cam channel. Going back to your last video I also enjoyed watching Meetra's story arc from KOTOR 2 but I have to say I liked how Darthycey changed the ending of Meetra being killed by Lord Scourge when rescuing Revan. Meetra Surik's story arc deserved a better ending and I agree with you that SWTOR treated her character terribly in the game. Your friendship has meant a lot to me my friend
Disappointed you didn't go into her most amazing ability, force thiccness. 3/10 not enough thiccness. 😔
My friend I had to come back to this video again like last year because this is where it all started for me. It's been 3 years now since I discovered this video after watching Darthycey's videos about Meetra Surik because she's such a fascinating character and began corresponding with you. I've so enjoyed watching all your videos to understand the vast galaxy of Star Wars since before I met you my knowledge of KOTOR came from the fan made videos. It also means so much to me that you've also put up with me for this long😂only 4 episodes of Clone Wars left and I'm not happy about it. We have no more Star Wars content after Clone Wars ends because the Mandalorian won't return until October and it's just rumor going around about a sequel to the Rebels series. All we have left is the Star Wars comics? Anyway thank you my friend for letting me be a part of the Star Wars universe with you. Please take and be safe in these uncertain times we're in🙏
SWOTOR was an insult to KOTOR’s legacy
You are by far one of the best Star Wars UA-camr out there...your content is amazingly detailed and informative...Thank you
Thank you so much, that means a lot :)
Finally Meetra's story comes fully circle :' ) I appreciate SW: TOR Online a lot more now.
Too little too late honestly. That should've been the ending of Kotor 3, with all of them ALIVE.
So THAT'S what happened in KOTOR 2. I feel complete and fulfilled after all these years.
Poor T-3 :(
💔💔 T3 Forever in our hearts 💔💔
I could only imagine the smile on Meetra’s face when she went to meet Bastilla and saw a small brown haired boy about 4 years of age nervously hiding behind Bastilla looking at Meetra only to find out this was Revan’s son Vaner
Just know I consider her to be one of The Greatest Jedi Masters to have ever lived and I consider her official master to be Kavar because I feel like he’s a great teacher for someone like Meetra Surik that and because there’s just something about him I like dunno what it is but I just like him
Bioware did not create "Meetra Surik" so they killed her. They shit on Obsidian's creation.
I was reading Revan and as soon as I heard them Reference Meetra i came here.
Saved me a good 7 hours mate thanks 🙏
I had to come back to this after the recent TOR update. Almost felt like they were trying to rectify what happened in the Revan novel.
Great video for a great but often overlooked character, and you are quite correct how poorly they wrote the ending of her story. I'll never forgive The Old Republic for how it treated all the characters from Kotor 1 & 2, you put it very well how they where treated and it's truly a shame as they where far superior characters.
I just hope they get rebooted in some way in the future!
TOR ruined both Darth Revan and the Exile with the book. They shouldn't had man the characters with a defined template and ret-con everyone's choices to the writers own. They should've just either avoided the characters or not be directly involved. This is just really annoying for fans of the games to know anything they make is now meaningless because TOR subverts it all. The book as well. But yeah, fuck you EAware and #NotMyCanon
Unknown Killer You know that the book only connected TOR with KOTOR? I like the book a lot. The book cant make revan slay the emperor when the game shows something else. The book would ve been different if Bioware didnt butcher the kotor series
MMMM delishous Star Wars subversion.
don't you just love it when you order a chocolate milk shake and it turns out to be strawberry, that really subverts my expectations and makes me feel grateful, I hate getting what I ask and pay for.
(sarcastic comment)
@@Kalleosini what the fuck are you on about?
Ah they couldn't be canon unless they jad real background period. But book revan did ruin both revan and exile
I agree but How exactly did the TOR destroy their characters? What do you mean by giving them a defined template
Knowing at least the ending of Revan and the Exile is oddly satisfying, thanks for the video mate!
I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
That piano version of Rebuilt Jedi Enclave at the end gave me chills throughout my entire body...
I love your channel, your content, and especially your writing and narrative style. It makes me wish you’d consider writing SW short stories and novellas, especially about Revan. Not necessarily about changing his history, so to speak, but maybe using artistic license to do a story about some mini adventures to fill in the spaces between his major plot points. And of course something similar with Meetra, Bastilla, Satele, Tasiele, and all the other ‘real’ SW heroines.
... yea, very disrespectful and inglorious ending of the story about one of the greatest heroes in Jedi history... another sad thing is that she could not [or didn't even attempt ?] to reform the Jedi Order [preferably the Code too] with all the wisdom she gained from Kreia and personal experience. So Jedi stayed stagnant inquisitory Order for centuries while the Sith evolved multiple times ...
Supposedly, but good old SWTOR made sure none of that made any difference!
Unlike people behind sequel trilogy 🤢
The Exile worked on ships traveling in the Outer Rim, like Anakin the Exile is a Force mechanic.
Getting backstabbed and died huh?
What a sad ending for the greatest student of Kreia...
This was an extremely well-written explanation of this Jedi character. Genuinely impressed, especially considering the complexity of the source material. I agree that the mmo story really did not do her justice - really disappointing. I'd love if we could get another Star Wars game like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, but considering they're officially Disney-non-canonical I highly doubt that. Suppose we'll just have to leave that to fanfiction!
Thank you, that means a lot ❤ I think we'll see some more KOTOR stories in the future, it only makes sense. But with that, I don't think they'll have the same quality, because they're likely to be very restrained in how far they can go with the storytelling. Whether they will be games though, I don't know.
Love your contents... the beautiful enriched lore of the Kotor series and the most magnificent storytelling for it's time and all time I believe!
Am really glad you are keeping them alive for future Star Wars fan as well as nostalgic fans such as me!
Great job! 👌👌
Thank you for the kind words! Really glad you enjoy it :)
Nooooooo! T-3 😭😭
I know 😭😭
I hate how they killed the exile but tbh...it hurts way more that they destroyed T3
Canderous would be a good story
As Canderous is involved in both games and had contact with both Revan and Meetra and held both in high esteem and had friendships/bonds with both
He does indeed have a long story! Maybe one day :)
Is Tatooine a wound in the Force too ? That's kinda the impression I was under when the Tuskan Raiders explained their history. And it would explain a lot of stuff.
Who else is disappointed with the fact the the exile lost to Darth nihirous or what ever she was called. I mean killing three of the most deadly Sith in an row and then oh look a member of the dark council time to die
Oh I certainly am. But that was only done to prove how powerful the true sith were, but it was a complete a disrespect to Meetra nonetheless.
100% Star Wars well they must have forgotten that while making swtor
what are you talking about. She lost only to the Emperor. Bc she got snitched from Scourge.
those sith were not TRUE sith. they did not grow their powers in the same way the true sith empire cultivated their acolytes. nihilus, traya, and sion were weaklings compared to nihirous and the other sith on the dark council.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Her name is spelled Nyriss.
My opinion...that's a dumb ending for the exile to just be killed/backstabbed :/
You and me too. I hate it.
14:25 and on you play a piano cover of the restored Jedi Enclave music from KotOR 2, one of my absolute favorite tracks in the whole game. But I can't find it anywhere on Lucas King's channel! Do you know what it's called?
It's a strange one xD It's on a channel called Lucas King - But I'm not completely sure if it's THE Lucas King. I've contacted him to see if it is, but I never got a response. Anyway, here is the cover - ua-cam.com/video/wGkD8WLI_gs/v-deo.html
100% Star Wars Ha, that is odd! Nonetheless, thank you!
No problem!
....then meetra came back to defeat the emperor once and for all ( SWTOR onslaught)
Thank you for sharing be sure to put this in the next story you tell about meetra surrik! Thank you my friend ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Really wasn't impressed with the Revan novelisation. I mean, both heroes go out like beyotches! Can't one SW hero 'ever' get a happy ending? Even up to the present day in Legends, it sucks to be the hero, since Luke's wife is killed by his nephew! (Kinda like what happened in the new movies too.)
It's an okay book in its own right, but it's bad when it comes to furthering the KOTOR story and its characters.
Luke had a happy ending at the end of return of the Jedi!
They haven't made any more star wars movies have they?
It would suck if they ignored the title of that movie that flat out said Luke was unambiguously going to reestablish the Jedi order after saving his father's soul and over throwing the evil empire restoring freedom to the millions of worlds in the Galaxy.
Best. Ending. Ever.
Hopefully some hack doesn't come along and ruin that.
@@rockyseverino9230 okay okay we get the fucking point
I hope soon in the years when kotor makes a comeback, Meetra will have a reimagined better ending.
Shes super interesting. Her unusual and unique wound in force reminds me alot on blanks from warhammer 40k, basically a individuals who had negative souls so any powerful spelluser near them would have their powers diminished if not straight negated. Kinda makes me think on that subject, what if Emperor vitiate created some sort of ripple in force with hes obscene dark side sorcery and she was one that got affected on opposite side of spectrum, her soul becoming negative in a way cause of emperor. Kinda like same thing like in movie Unbreakable, emperor being like matter and her being like anti-matter. Imagine if shes destined to kill emperor and restore balance and have her wound soul healed trough it, could be an interesting idea for her expanded story ark.
One of the most complex and tragic characters in the entire franchise. Honestly a better character than Revan in a lot of ways, who is also right up there for most compelling characters.
thanks a lot for this video bro. i needed this since kotor 3 never came to be
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Awesome. I didn’t know Meetra’s story after the game. Cheers
I'm glad you enjoyed it and I could be of help!
i felt a bit of desperation while playing kotor 2 due to the state of the galaxy, but i realized i actually liked not having any insane fleets in play like sith armada from kotor. i like the idea of skilled, powerful force user travelling the galaxy. dealing with everyday ppl problems.
I roleplay Meetra as Bastilla Shan. Makes more sense that it would be her finishing Revan's work either light or dark.
Everything was amazing! ...Until TOR. Damn them for the bad writing of Revan, the Exile and their associations. So much wasted potential.
One thing that always pissed me off is how the Exile apparently becomes a Force ghost after her unceremonious death (seriously, the woman was a war machine. She shouldn't have been that easy to kill). Hoe exactly could she, a wound in the Force, a breach cut off from it that didn't have a true connection to it after the Mandalorian Wars, manage to become a Force ghost, which is effectively a sentient spirit within the Force!? Hell, if they needed her spirit they could have done something more interesting by having her be more of a sentient echo, not a Force ghost but a Force absence. Not sure how that would work, but it'd be better than making her a generic Force ghost!
I really think that makes sense. Like an absence that can be felt and heard like a ghost, but not a ghost. I like it! But yeah, I don't like how she died either or their treatment of any of the characters.
Thanks! Thought it would have made the most sense; it could be called something like a Force shadow, a presence parting it and flitting through it rather than emerging from it. Like in life, the shadow of her could cause disquiet and unease in those near it due to still being a wound.
Anyway, yeah, the games did not treat any of the old characters well. Even Revan is a shell of a character compared to the background we got before. Would of been interesting if they had actually kept with the original game in his case I think - that Revan himself was gone, and the person the Jedi had made out of him was his own individual, merely bearing the memories of the one who came before rather than being the same man with amnesia (so slightly similar to Steven in the cartoon 'Steven Universe').
If I may further blabber on - one theory I've seen that the games actually give a lot of weight for is how Revan and the Exile were not friends but rivals, perhaps even ideological enemies. It almost mirrors the Sith Triumvirate - the Jedi General Triumvirate of the Mandalorian Wars. Kreia, SIon, Nihlius mirroring Revan, Malak and the Exile.
Hmm, maybe they were rivals. But it's always stated that Meetra was his most trusted ally. Would he most trust his biggest rival?
It's far from unheard of. There are many accounts in both reality (Churchill and Stalin would be the first example coming to mind for me there) and fiction of skilled rivals, friendly or not, having to work together for one reason or another, and the rivals will typically trust in each other simply because they both know the other can get the job done well at minimum.
Besides, I'm not certain the Exile is ever called Revan's most trusted ally in KotOR 2 (the MMO and its books/comics may say such, but I don't trust them much due to how badly they treated the past content of their world). The Exile certainly had some form of mutual respect for Revan, and Revan certainly saw her as useful, but it seems far more likely that he trusted Malak over the Exile.
Oh I don't doubt that he trusted Malak more, afterall, they were like brothers more than allies. But in my headcanon, Meetra and Revan were extremely good friends, as well as trusted allies.
She was actually trained by Vima frickin' Sunrider! Which would always caution her to be careful with Sever Force. Incredible
Really? Woah. I love TOTJ so much.
@amishoven It's Nomi Sunriders daughter.
@amishoven Jedi Grandmaster of the order after the great sith war.
Dun Moch is not a combat form but a tactic. Further she was not one of the only Jedi to master it. Its commonly seen used by Obi Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Ashoka and many others.
So good I guess I had to watch it again. At 5:34 where Revan is shown with the other Jedi, and all turned to the Dark Side (save Meetra), it looks as if the Jedi in this image all look like Revan.
Is this simply an artistic choice for some particular subject, or did his followers, and specifically these Dark Jedi, adopt his helmet, armor, and cloak as a uniform of sorts?
Also, at 12:33, when you stated Meetra was “unable to become one w the Force…,” was that because of her choice to have her spirit remain with Revan, or was there something beyond her control that prevented her transition?
That Papatia Quinn’s master was Bastilia and she was a beacon at an early age! That was I the one who taught them to see through the force!!!! ❤❤❤Papatia Quinn
After all these years Kotor has been out, it still never ceases to amaze me what depths the story and characters reached. The dialogue and lore are so rich. The arrogance and one-sided nature of the Jedi is put on display. The Jedi are no longer a group to be admired, but instead almost scorned for remaining aloof from the conflicts across the galaxy in their self-righteousness.
George Lucas created an amazing universe in the original trilogy, but I much prefer the conflicts in the Old Republic. There's so much more grey area to explore. The new trilogy really set a new low for Star Wars. The deeper themes were completely ignored for a $ grab.
Awesome channel.. I love SWTOR and how in depth these character biographies are, so thank you.
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoy them!
Can you do one of these about Satele Shan, if you haven’t already. She’s my favourite female SW character. And maybe do one on Nomi Sunrider? She’s badass too.
They both have really long stories (especially Satele) that wouldn't fit my style of storytelling at this present time. But, with that said I do want to find a way to tell their stories in the future in some way :)
Another great video, man. Looking forward to more.
Thank you! If you have any friends who love Star Wars, don't forget to send them this way. Building a community is hard, but if we all come together, then it may just happen :) Thanks for watching again man, I appreciate it!
Fun video idea, Revan, Meetra Surik, and Alek while they are all still serving the light side, but basically right after the Mandalorian war, get sucked through a wormhole into the future to the initial outbreak of the Clone Wars. How does is change things?
i always wondered since meetra is kreia/Darth Traya's apprantice, does she mastered the floating lightsabers technique? if so it would be very cool
After learning about her story post KotOR 2, I truly wish they'd left off with her rebuilding the Jedi order. It would have been plenty lazy enough to suit them too I'd wager lol. The way I like to see it is that Revan's role was a costly journey to save the Repubic from the negligence of the Jedi order, and Meetra's role was to rebuild the Jedi better afterwards.
Would have been an infinitely better legacy than simply running off shortly after KotOR 2 to be a sacrificial supporting character that was discarded in the service of Revan's continuing story. I love Revan too, but she was every bit the deeply motivated *protagonist* in her own story that he was of his, and she deserved to keep that status. Taking that from her was simply disrespectful to the character, her fans, and the series as a whole. 😤 😅
My friend I've come back to this video because this is where it started for me 2 years ago in April 2017 when I first started corresponding with you. After watching Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik I wanted to know more about her and that's when I discovered this video and your channel. I've enjoyed all your videos and the friendship you've shared with me on your knowledge on Star Wars. My friend I've missed you because it's been 3 months since your last video, I hope your not quitting UA-cam because it would really be a shame.
On other issues I found out that the Clone Wars series is coming back in November, Star Wars Celebration is coming up this month and Mark Hamill is voicing Chucky for the reboot of Child's Play!!! I was shocked when I heard they asked Mark to voice the killer doll but then again I couldn't believe it was him who was voicing the Joker in the Batman series. He will always be Luke Skywalker to me so I wish he wasn't going to voice Chucky!!! My friend I hope you'll be coming back soon, take care and may the force be with you. George
I'm not quitting, don't worry!
She also wanted to talk to Mical one of her closest friends ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤he helped her through so much at the worst time of her life
I agree with you on how sadly they were written in. So many ppl would not play the mmo if not for revan and the exile. Revan had more power than any protagonist we've seen in this star wars universe. Able to take on the full power of the star forge by himself, defeating bastilla with the star forge powering her. Then defeating countless droids and triumph over malak who could regenerate himself over and over. Near invincibility. And the exiles power to drain her enemies of the force and master there battle forms, find there weakness and use them against her enemies. Yet in the mmo they were overpowered on many occasions. Revan is a fan favorite and kotor 1 was game of the year for a reason and it's still one of the best star wars stories of all time. Kotor 2 is able to rival its story only with the restored content mods.
I disagree agree there. I think KOTOR 2 is superior in every way.
I think sometimes the stories that are hinted at are better than the answers we get. Before SW:TOR, I assumed that Revan and The Jedi Exile went off to stop the Ancient Sith, a looming threat that no one knew about except Revan and Kreia, that threatened to destroy the whole galaxy. Considering they are still ancient history by the time of the movies, I assumed that they must have succeeded, a story that was easy to believe given their sheer power. No one saw them again, they just took one for the galaxy, because that's what heroes do. SW:TOR relegated them to minor side characters once they were no longer in the hands of the player, which was the main reason I refused to play it. At least Bioware didn't make the same mistake in Dragon Age: Inquisition, where the Hero of Ferelden is conveniently off on an important quest elsewhere, so their badassery can't be contradicted. I consider the Jedi Exile's "Wound in the Force" and it's implications to be the greatest story Star Wars has ever told in any medium.
I completely agree :) I wish The Hero of Feralden was around though, I miss my old Origins character :D
There's still hope for his/her return in Dragon Age 4 :-).
I think I read something a while back that said the story wouldn't revolve around the Hero of Ferelden if i'm not mistaken?
I'm doubtful there ever will be a Dragon Age 4 considering most of the creative team left Bioware this year. If they do, it will be almost impossible to satisfy everyone with how their own Hero's story goes, though I'd appreciate the effort. There are way more permutations to deal with compared to Revan or The Jedi Exile. I know I would love to see the Hero, Hawke, and the Inquisitor team up, but I don't know if they'll ever have the resources to handle something like that with what they lost this year with ME: Andromeda and how much pressure they're under to make Anthem succeed. It would be simpler to leave little hints about the Hero and not trounce on anyone's dreams.
That's true. I really couldn't care for Anthem, It's just a stunt to jump on the destiny train.
Quick question where the hell was Bastilla Shan during the Dark Wars, she shows up at the end if your Revan was light side, but they never explain where she's been or why none of the other Jedi seem to acknowledge her presence. p.s. Who was more influential Bastilla or Meetra
Bastila was hiding to protect her and Revan's son - That's a good question... I'd say Meetra. Meetra was vital to the reconstruction of the Jedi philosophy as well as the order itself. She was a key figure in saving the republic from the Mandalorians, and brought down arguably the greatest threat in galactic history in Nihilus.
Bastila on the other hand played a part in redeeming Revan, and her battle meditation swung the tide of the Star Forge conflict, that's about it.
Meetra Surik is an alright name. What, were you expecting her to be named Karen or Joe after yourselves?? I have no problem with the name, I have a HUGE problem with what they did with her in that novel, not THAT pisses me off, and as far as I am concerned, there is no story beyond KOTOR II, until we get KOTOR III.
I Love the Exile and your videos the best.
Thank you!!
I couldn’t imagine if they made a KOTOR 3 which involved meetra going to resume Revan
It would be interesting if Meetra returned. She is, in a sense, an anomaly in the force. Not able to fully pass on into the force. May be interesting if she was able to reincarnate in some way.
I agree!
Honestly she could be on the power scale of Starkiller. I think Meetra is awesome!
It was cool learning aout meetra never played kotor 2
The Jedi exile wasn’t a woman named meetra, everyone knows that the exile was a blond dude named Spart Mcfundlebat
My favorite jedi among with Kyle Katarn.
SWTOR the MMO completely butchered the endings for both Revan and the Exile. Almost everything about their characters were thrown out the window. Revan, for example, was renowned as a brilliant commander and the greatest strategic mind of the age, yet every thing he was reputed to have done/planed or was actually portrayed as doing in TOR was "Dr.Evil" (from Austin Powers) level amateurish.
> force bonds
So basically Meetra Surik is a Persona like protagonist.
Please keep up the good work !! Much love
Thank you :D
Love meetra. Such a sad end.
Ah yes, back when there was good star wars stories. I miss those days and still grieve that kotor 2 was never given sufficient time or a sequel.
I absolutely jumped out of my skin on the random cough near the end.
You are playing a dangerous game sir.
If there's no danger there's no fun right? ;)
Who is the Jedi Exile?
An awesome character that got ruined by Bioware and Drew Karpshyn(I loved the Bane novels, but I don't think he even knew about the lore of TSL when writing "Revan").
The way she is treated is diabolical, I agree.
Also, T3, he’s the real hero. What a legend.
I know right. RIP Legend.
Meetra surrik has returned
I believe, if Disney ever did a KOTOR movie! This is the story that should be told. Dave Filoni and John Favreau as Executive producers, Derek Kolstad as the screenwriter, Joe and Anthony Russo as directors, Keanu Reeves as Revan, Charlize Theron as Meetra Surik, Charles Dance as Emperor Vitiate and Dave Bautista as Lord Scourge!
Needs an update to include the continued story in the latest swtor update
Not gonna lie, I had to look up this character after hearing the name every time I dive into something relating to KotOR 2... Turns out this “Meetra Surik” is the canonical Exile... *Bullcrap* !
Am I supposed to believe that the entire RPG design and writing of KotOR 1 & 2 was just for show? I mean, I sure as heck didn’t play as “Meetra Surik” in KotOR 2. I played as my own character! I don’t know about everyone else here, but I found it really annoying that they had to take the characters that WE, THE PLAYERS, were supposed to define for ourselves and canonize their entire freaking character instead of leaving them to our imaginations as WE played them.
This somewhat worked with Revan, as the character you played was only a “fake identity” for the pre-established character you were actually playing as all along. (Even then, BioWare still kinda wrote themselves into a corner when trying to leave it to player imagination, especially with female player characters... And this only gets worse overall with their decision to unmask him entirely in SWTOR.) The Exile, on the other hand, is a complete blank slate for the player other than the bits of backstory you get throughout KotOR 2. There’s no excuse for totally overwriting that character like there is for Revan. As far as I’m concerned, Meetra Surik doesn’t exist, at least not as the Exile. The Exile was what I defined him to be, and followed the path I laid out for him. Same goes for any other player. The Exile is what *YOU* imagine them to be in your own playthrough. KotOR is an RPG, not an linear Action/Adventure game.
Now, I realize that there tend to be “canonical endings,” and whatnot... And those are explained pretty well most of the time. Notice that the Lone Wanderer in Fallout 3 canonically sides with the Brotherhood of Steel and gets the “Good Ending,” but Bethesda has never gone in and completely canonized their name, gender, personality, and other character nuances other than that one piece of information. The same applies to Revan when KotOR first came out. He canonically gets the Light Side ending and falls in love with Bastila, though that also creates the only rule-breaker for the latter half to work, being that he is also canonically male (which is part of how they wrote themselves into a corner in terms of player interpretation). But even so, you still get to define Revan’s character however you want within the dialogue at the beginning of KotOR 2, so they did still want to leave it to the player to decide. By doing what they did with both Revan and the Exile in SWTOR, they ruined all of that mystery and room for interpretation for characters we may very well not even recognize as those we played as before.
I agree with your statement. I define who the character truly is. Not the creator or animators