He must be the coolest guy in town ;-) Get's a brand new still rare motorcycle and throws it 20 miles down mudd roads. After that he sids down an talks completely chilled about his experience.
I just got my 400X in Portugal a few days ago. I’ve put 220km on it. I agree with all that you’ve said. My engine stalled twice, downshifting into third. I thought I caused it? The bike is great on the twisty tarmac and on the gravel/dirt forest roads. i was happily surprised at how well the Metzler’s have been on the gravel. They felt very in control but do move laterally as you felt. But of course they will, they are a more street oriented tire. I love my bike so far! The engine is already starting to loosen up and accelerate more easily and quickly. I’m 5’8” and the standing position is perfect for me. I liked standing on my 2016 T120, but I was hunched forward more. This bike reminds me of my Bonnevile a lot. It also reminds me on my CRF250L off road. These are both great feelings. I’m about 77 kilos and the suspension carries me well. No bottoming out off road and it is well planted on the road curves. It feels very stable at speed in the twisties, both uphill and downhill. Braking improved as well, as the pads broke in. It would brake better in the curves with dual front calipers, but it’s not my T120, and it’s half the price! No complaints. Couldn’t go off road with the T120 either.
I agree 100%. I have put over 800 miles on my 400x. I absolutely love it off road due to lower seat height than my DR650 with 5.0 gallon tank. This bikes goes almost as far on its 3.8 gallon tank. The bike has great tourque and I find it a blast on dirt and forest roads especially in off road mode. It is the perfect back road bike for me living in a rural area. For the price point the suspension is adequate. The bike really opened up after being reprogrammed after the 600 mile service. It is confidence inspiring in the gravel and mud but I will be fitting it with Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires which are perfect for the terrain here in WNY. Thanks for your review. Spot on.
I love the way you take the Gentle approach to running a new bike in There will be many owners of this bike who won't see mud Really not sure about the back end of the bike And that low front fender is going to cause a few problems Keep pushing it Nathan, it's going to be interesting to see the longevity of this bike being put through its paces
@JohnTheBodge more money then. These are the things that should be on the bike from the start How things have changed in the UK No matter what you buy, you need to add bits to make it what it should be from the start Watching Nathan with interest as he will give a true review of this bike
Off road bikes, back when I was a kid, were just _bikes_ with _tall_ tyres and lightened somewhat. We didn't worry about mudguards and stuff like that, they just fell off along the way. 🤷
I've followed as many vlogs on this bike I could from India ( don't speak Hindi), but really keen to get some knowledgeable UK feedback. For so many reasons I really fancy one , but as a brand new first year release I've been weary about committing. Teething problems are invariable from any & every manufacturer in the first year. Can't wait to see a few more of your experiences and insights Nathan and thank you for taking the plunge.
I agree - was the same with several Triumphs, but the wait can be a few years. I'll wait until next year on this one, but I think it will be good enough now, even if there's a better version down the road.
A road-based scrambler, as you say. I would like 21/18". But the love the idea of a lightish, small capacity do-it-all fun bike. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
I do like your videos for simple, honest, non hyped, relatable information. It certainly makes you stand out from other reviewers, and the fact that you either own, or put bigger real world miles on loan bikes, give the channel real credibly. I think some UA-cam channels forget alot of their audience are long time riders who are highly experienced. My Himalayan 450 is on its way, and after riding the Hunter 350 yesterday Ill be picking one of them up to (people are right, that 20hp number tells you nothing about the way it rides.... its amazing). 👍👍👍👍
Thank you for the great real world review. I’m in the pacific north west and am looking for a good comfortable 50/50 bike. You are helping me make my decision. Looking forward to your next review👍🏻
Doing what we used to do on whatever we had. My RS100 Yam went everywhere except the deep water, on road tyres. Dunlop Raincheaters if i remember correctly. I'm hopeless off tarmac, but I'd be much happier on that than anything big. To be honest my 660 Ten was a handful for me at times. Love it. 452 Himmy might be better fir me but that doesn't stop me thinking Triumph will sell bucket loads of them. Ride safe. 👍
Wow now thats an offroad test, far more than I would ever attempt and it appeared to manage it all well, for me 80+% on road and a few off road tracks should be more than enough. Thankyou looking forward to seeing your Himalayan 450 review whenever that happens.
Great looking little bike and an amazing price with a premium badge on the tank. If you're looking for a fun runner about that will do everything to a reasonable level it looks perfect.
Thanks for the review. It looks like you’ve put this little scrambler through much more than I would have done. There are certainly more off-road capable bikes. This one looks like it would excel at around town riding, with a bit of off road or country lanes. For comparison, I just purchased the Triumph Scrambler 1200XE. I doubt I’ll ever do any serious off-road riding on it. I have a Kawasaki KLR 650 that I mainly use as a daily rider. My little Honda CRF300 Rally will take care of any off-roading I’ll ever do. Still and all, I really like this little Triumph Scrambler 400.
I'm considering purchasing a scrambler model. Of course, Triumph's Scrambler 400X is also a candidate. Thank you for showing me how to drive on rough roads in this video. I think it depends on the skill of the rider, but I felt that it was the perfect bike for my purpose.
Ye rear mudguard not that great but since most if not all videos on this bike are people just doing roads and 0 off road. Good to see how it handles in the mud @@richardsimpson3792
Very informative video, Nathan! Two or more moto journalists here in India have said that they spoke to senior folks at Bajaj about the identical bore and stroke dimensions of the new 390 engine and the Triumph 400 engine. They were told that they used their know-how of the flow and combustion characteristics of the old 390 as the starting point for the new engines. They didn't want to reinvent the wheel so used that knowledge. But, everything else is different in these engines. As for stalling, the 390 Adventure has also had this problem. It started with the changes required to meet BS6 (Euro 5) emission norms. This also affected the BS6 390 Duke but not the BS4 (Euro 5) one. Not all units had the problem, though. I don't know how they permanently fixed it but a friend of mine had this issue fixed by a throttle body replacement.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I would think someone knows for definite the differences and/or similarities between the two engines, which I guess both Triumph and KTM would rather have us see as being totally different, but if there is any overlap I wouldn't see any problem with that. Would seem like common sense to me. Interesting on the 390. My Euro 4 bike has never done it so would tally that it started on E5 bikes.
@@nathanthepostman Sorry, there is an error in the second paragraph of my first comment. BS4 is equivalent to Euro 4, not Euro 5. BS6 is Euro 5. The stalling problem did *not* affect the Euro 4 390 models but started with the Euro 5 modifications. A FuelX Lite or Pro also completely eliminates stalling since the engine actually gets some fuel rather than just a whiff of it.
Brilliant review, and our lanes down here in Devon are designed for enduro or trail bike, I won't to give this triumph a bash, but would take it green lane thrashing.😊
I do like the look of this bike. Had a Street Scrambler 900 in the past and this looks like a mini version. It's on my list but I'm disappointed to hear about the stalling issue. I had a KTM390 Duke that did the same which was really annoying around town. I was told it could be fixed by a booster plug but I sold it before trying.
Thanks for this! I Am currently riding a TriCity 300 (only have a B-license) but working for a A2 license. My TriCity is limited on gravel. Looking forward to hearing you thoughts on the new Himalayan when you get it. KTM 390 Adventure is also on my list. Have lots and lots of gravel roads here in Sweden.
Great review mate. I recently bought it in India and clocked 1000kms riding in the Himalayas. Mostly good roads, but some gravel too. I love it… but I’m not a hard core biker as such. Just getting back in a bike after 18 years. It’s great to see it can take the punishment you put it through. Noice.
you've got some great riding up there in the Himalayas Mr Kushinator! Welcome back to biking. Hope you and the Triumph enjoy some adventurous miles together.
@@nathanthepostman you know what the hard part is Nate. I live in Australia and I’m now back here. The bike is ofcourse in India waiting for my next adventure. I miss it…lol. Tempted to buy one here as well.
I had the same on my street triple RS in 2019, stalled on me 3 times with red engine light come on, had to stop and turn ignition off and back on fired it up and was OK again. Quite common on the FB pages, I told the dealer on first service which I presume they updated the ECU as others had done and never happened again after 500 miles.
Let’s be honest most people who buy this bike will never go off road. Same as just about every other similar bike with the name scrambler attached. Nothing wrong with that of course it’s a great bike.
You baptized it in mud. 😊 I would agree as a guy who hasn't ridden a 400X yet, it seems like a great country lane/fire road or around town bike. Winter bike. It would be a nice Distinguished Gentleman's Ride bike on a budget.
I think for someone who just want to do some summer adv riding looks a lot of fun! Personally Id like it to have a bigger tank so could do a bit of light touring a bit better, not a biggy though. Nice bike!
@@jimmyjam8795 Am happy with my 2023 Himmy! If was in the market I'd also consider the CF moto, Kove or Rieju (39 litre). As a second bike the Sup Meteor tickles my fancy😉
My tiger sport 1050 had that unexpected stalling issue under the exact same circumstance,a warning light came up stopped dead slowly changing down a gear, triumph said it's the 1st they'd heard about such an issue,lies of course, ended up selling to a dealer,wasn't impressed with triumphs after service at all.but looking at the 400 as a fun 2nd bike to replace the 390 adventure
For trail riding use a trail bike, you’ve just shown that in video. I think it would make a good road bike, maybe for local or shorter trips. It’ll be interesting to see what Someone like rally raid can do with it, but would just hike the costs. I would like one in the garage, next to my Tiger. But I think I’d end puttting more miles on the 400. You summed it up well in the video Nath.
Yes I think it was a video to prove (to myself if no one else) what I already presumed. It would work with knobblies. And if you only had space or money for one bike it could take you on a few trails on the weekend and to the office Monday morning. As an all rounder then maybe it's 'enough'. As a trail bike obviously there's always going to be better options for it.
Anecdotally (I haven't ridden any of them) I would think either the Himalayan 452 or the cf moto 450mt when they arrive, would both be better for on and off road than this, not doing it for me I'm afraid Triumph...
Triumph did provide an ECU update for the random stalling issue. It made the 2nd year very very short, almost to the point of being unusable. So when you're accelerating from standstill, you go 1st to 2nd, and almost immediately to 3rd. I remember similar update was provided for the Duke 200 1st gen for the same stalling issue at low revs.
@@humandroid53 yeah, discussed it and got to know the same. I thought they altered the power curve to deliver a small surge at a certain rpm leading to the engine hitting the limiter earlier in 2nd gear, but apparently that's not how it works. Weird though, that I had the same observation on both the 1st gen Duke and now the Speed400 after an ecu update to fix stalling issues.
Great video Nathan. Wonder how this rides compared to new himalayan once it's out. Quite fancy something small and lightweight for commuting to complement the gs1200 🤔
Nathan . i read your book after you rode the Postie bike from Australia all those years ago . also met you at the hill climb in Worcestershire around 2016 . have been a fan ever since . you are the man to try out a bike such as this . stronger , better quality hand guards a must .
Waiting for the new Himalayan with the 450. Would like to see a comparison. But this bike is intriguing for a oldster like me. I will take it off road but nothing a BMW F650GS couldnt handle.
Just looking at it behind you, on the stand, it looks like it would take a 90/90 x 21 with a bit of modification which wouldn't spoil the looks. Would make it much more purposeful. It looks and sounds great, it's a shame they didn't go the extra with the front wheel, or at least provide an option.
Yeah it's a good point. Will be interesting to see if rally raid look at that option when they get one for wheel and suspension work. Would be a different bike with 21 and good suspension
Weird that it isn't the only bike that does the clutch in engine stop thing - my 790 Duke occasionally does it, third to second on a closed throttle, clutch in and bingo. Software updates by KTM haven't sorted it but can be ridden round.
Yeah someone else in the comments said their new Transalp did it as well. I reckon it's the emissions running them so lean they just fuel out or something. Glad they sorted it.
Your comment in the first few seconds after seeing you go through some proper water, bouncing round very muddy rutted turns, picking your way over lumpy bumpy ground, about’ this is how people who buy this bike will be using it. I really think not. Paused right at the beginning here to post this comment and looking forward to watching the rest of it with a cuppa, but very very few will be getting covered in shite! 1958 tr5 trophy rep that gets proper muddy too And doing all that sliming about without trials tyres, very good going
Is it possible to fit touring pannier rack? When I get my A2, Ill be looking for a light adventure bike and am considering Himalayan, Honda CRF300 or this bike.
Nice one mate. It seems like it still did the job when it needed too. That's probably enough for most adventure bikes. I do feel spoilt with the 390s suspension but I suppose with the price difference you could probably do a fair bit to improve/replace what its got. If it ends up being popular hopefully Rally Raid or even Triumph themselves will do a special version. Other than some scratch protection do you think it needs anything such as a better bashplate etc or could you just crack on like you can with a Himalayan? Has yourself or anyone on here had a go of the road version of it yet? In loving the choice of smaller bikes we are getting these days. Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul. This is the off road version of it. For now at least! Rally raid are on the case with wheels and suspension. suspension I think will make a big difference
Hi Nathan. In my mind Triumph have build a small capacity bike along the lines of the 350 Royal Enfields, but given it a nod towards some gravel and dirt roads. It’s a shame they didn’t give it the high level scrambler exhaust pipes we’ve seen on the higher cc models. I think when RE launch a 452 Scram, which is highly likely, it’ll be a better option and cheaper than the Triumph.
@@nathanthepostman it’s such a shame the mainstream manufacturers haven’t caught on to the popularity and market demands for good dual-sport bikes. Surely the likes of Itchy Boots and the ever-increasing ABR Rally are demonstrable indicators. BMW should do a 310 GS Adventure with spoked wheels, a bigger tank, and better suspension, and where are Suzuki? A modern DR 650 and DRZ would be great. I see Yamaha are bringing a 250 Ténérè out, but looks very similar to the old V-strom 250.
Yeah totally. The Japanese are dead in the water aren't they. I guess it's a mixture of emissions regulation, their corporate structure being so inflexible and the customer probably not prepared to pay what the manufacturer needs to charge. But the Indians and Chinese have definitely managed to suss it out. I see that Kove 800 rally spec bike came in at 165 kilos on the scales or thereabouts. They're definitely pushing
Good video. The cut-out is probably 'dry idle' in the FI...on the over-run with a closed throttle the fuel is cut off. Do an old-school throttle blip wen changing down and it shouldn't happen. It's pretty plain that this isn't a proper trail bike. Interestingly for the cost of one of these AND a run-of the mill middleweight trailbike you could get a KTM690 or clone, which would be better on road and dirt.
You know it's funny, my friend and I used to ride dual sports all the time and he went and put street tires on his bike, it was pretty fun in the twisties and he said it would do fine offroad as well, I rode it several times with the street tires and it did ok in dry rocky stuff, but the first time i used it in wet muddy stuff it was an absolute nightmare. the lesson? TIRES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! this review said alot about the bike but testing with those tires is going to get expected results. My current bike has a 19" front and i put a Shinko Goldenboy on the front and it's such a tall tire with deep knobs that the outside diameter approaches within 3/4" of a standard 21" wheel and tire. I've never had any problems offroad from a 19" with a good tire on the front, and isn't the RE Scram also a 19" front? oh well, I say put a golden boy up front and a Kenda Trackmaster in the back and there won't be a trail on that whole rock you can't tame.
I kind of agree but tyres don't improve suspension. And I've got a 310gs with knobblies that's got the same tyre size as the triumph and it'll do it. But to me it'll never give you the confidence of a bike with a 90 section 21. The scram is the same wheel as the triumph, but I felt it just gave better stability irrespective of tyres. But that's just my opinion
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Around here (Brazil), it arrives at a higher price than the Interceptor 650, so it has somewhat lost its competitive edge in the market. It's still a great bike, especially if it's priced around 15% less than the Interceptor.
Wasted no time in getting this out👍 We are getting spoilt for choice on good quality budget bikes. I think the Chinese mainly are driving this followed by India and it will ramp up more as time goes by. Japanese and European manufacturers look out. Can only be good for the biking fraternity. I had a look at the new Himalayan on Tuesday and have to say was impressed. Although fairly heavy it carries its weight well and I reckon will inspire confidence off road. Really looking forward to hearing your views on it after a thorough test. Cheers Nathan.
Problemas con el electro ventilador?? Calentamiento excesivo del motor?? Magnifica prueba Problems with the electric fan? Excessive engine heating? Great test
My Svartpilen 401 also keeps stalling when the clutch is pulled in after riding at speed. Given that the 401 and 390 are the same bike, looks like the Triumph might also be the same engine
That's interesting. I've got a 390 adv and that's never done it. Seems to be a bit hit and miss between bikes. Seems quite common on numerous bikes judging by the comments.
A real shame that did made it with spoked wheels, maybe they will add them in the Triumph accessories. And those stock tires, even looking at them they do give you a big hint that theya more for the street.
I've got a feeling Triumph won't offer the spokes. I believe Rally Raid are working on some aftermarket rims that'll be tubeless spoked which should be interesting.
interested to see if they actually take responsibility for the problem, that isnt Triumphs strong point. and they havent in India from what i hear. Interested in your take on the engine actually, because again, what i hear from friends in India is they found it gutless at the bottom end, fine above 6k rpm but nothing below that, and they did describe it as buzzy. Maybe theyve re tuned it for the British market? interestingly theyve said pretty much the same about the new Himalayan, That its not as easy to ride or lazy as the old one, that you have to rev it much more. I think i would prefer one of the old CCM's 🙂 have they been selling ok? have fun
First batch of 30 arriving and sold next week! Interesting about triumph performance. To me it's a strong engine off the bottom. I haven't taken it over 6k because it's still tight and it gets quite busy after that. I think it's a pretty torquey engine but just shows we all have different perceptions of the same machine
Didn't take you long to break that did it! Best video on the bike I have seen, nobody else has ventured in the mud!
Ha, no. fourth corner in the mud I think. I'll upload the clip on the next vid. Trying too hard for the camera.
Watch Revzilla's two videos on it, mate - up to their shins in it! Plus river crossings etc
Agree!
Real riders appreciate what you have delivered here.
This is how the scrambler review should be! 🔥
You're brilliant Nathan, you get a new bike and cover it in mud instantly. Great video as usual.
He must be the coolest guy in town ;-)
Get's a brand new still rare motorcycle and throws it 20 miles down mudd roads. After that he sids down an talks completely chilled about his experience.
I just got my 400X in Portugal a few days ago. I’ve put 220km on it. I agree with all that you’ve said. My engine stalled twice, downshifting into third. I thought I caused it? The bike is great on the twisty tarmac and on the gravel/dirt forest roads. i was happily surprised at how well the Metzler’s have been on the gravel. They felt very in control but do move laterally as you felt. But of course they will, they are a more street oriented tire. I love my bike so far! The engine is already starting to loosen up and accelerate more easily and quickly. I’m 5’8” and the standing position is perfect for me. I liked standing on my 2016 T120, but I was hunched forward more. This bike reminds me of my Bonnevile a lot. It also reminds me on my CRF250L off road. These are both great feelings. I’m about 77 kilos and the suspension carries me well. No bottoming out off road and it is well planted on the road curves. It feels very stable at speed in the twisties, both uphill and downhill. Braking improved as well, as the pads broke in. It would brake better in the curves with dual front calipers, but it’s not my T120, and it’s half the price! No complaints. Couldn’t go off road with the T120 either.
I agree 100%. I have put over 800 miles on my 400x. I absolutely love it off road due to lower seat height than my DR650 with 5.0 gallon tank. This bikes goes almost as far on its 3.8 gallon tank. The bike has great tourque and I find it a blast on dirt and forest roads especially in off road mode. It is the perfect back road bike for me living in a rural area. For the price point the suspension is adequate. The bike really opened up after being reprogrammed after the 600 mile service. It is confidence inspiring in the gravel and mud but I will be fitting it with Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires which are perfect for the terrain here in WNY. Thanks for your review. Spot on.
I love the way you take the Gentle approach to running a new bike in
There will be many owners of this bike who won't see mud
Really not sure about the back end of the bike
And that low front fender is going to cause a few problems
Keep pushing it Nathan, it's going to be interesting to see the longevity of this bike being put through its paces
You can have a high front mudguard fitted as an optional extra, just like with the 1200.
@JohnTheBodge more money then.
These are the things that should be on the bike from the start
How things have changed in the UK
No matter what you buy, you need to add bits to make it what it should be from the start
Watching Nathan with interest as he will give a true review of this bike
Off road bikes, back when I was a kid, were just _bikes_ with _tall_ tyres and lightened somewhat. We didn't worry about mudguards and stuff like that, they just fell off along the way. 🤷
It's great to see a decent off-road review on our (UK) sloppy conditions. Thanks 😊
I've followed as many vlogs on this bike I could from India ( don't speak Hindi), but really keen to get some knowledgeable UK feedback. For so many reasons I really fancy one , but as a brand new first year release I've been weary about committing. Teething problems are invariable from any & every manufacturer in the first year.
Can't wait to see a few more of your experiences and insights Nathan and thank you for taking the plunge.
I agree - was the same with several Triumphs, but the wait can be a few years. I'll wait until next year on this one, but I think it will be good enough now, even if there's a better version down the road.
Best no bull review I've seen
Great job...
Punchy, filled with gritty facts and information and devoid of the ego
A very balanced and fair review I had no sense of bias or "brand allegiance" at all in this test ride, excellent.
A road-based scrambler, as you say. I would like 21/18". But the love the idea of a lightish, small capacity do-it-all fun bike. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks for sharing Nate! Lots of mud for sure! Good preliminary test ride!
Superb content…always makes me smile. 👍🏻
Just ordered a green one “Posty” Thanks for the review 👍
I do like your videos for simple, honest, non hyped, relatable information. It certainly makes you stand out from other reviewers, and the fact that you either own, or put bigger real world miles on loan bikes, give the channel real credibly. I think some UA-cam channels forget alot of their audience are long time riders who are highly experienced. My Himalayan 450 is on its way, and after riding the Hunter 350 yesterday Ill be picking one of them up to (people are right, that 20hp number tells you nothing about the way it rides.... its amazing). 👍👍👍👍
This is the video I had been waiting for. Wet slush ride report. Fantastic video. 👍🏻
And yes, here in India there's an ECU update for stalling issue.
Thank you for the great real world review. I’m in the pacific north west and am looking for a good comfortable 50/50 bike. You are helping me make my decision. Looking forward to your next review👍🏻
VERY interesting! Thanks Nathan. Hope it continues to surprise and delight you! Les
Good review, thanks for taking the time.
Doing what we used to do on whatever we had. My RS100 Yam went everywhere except the deep water, on road tyres. Dunlop Raincheaters if i remember correctly.
I'm hopeless off tarmac, but I'd be much happier on that than anything big. To be honest my 660 Ten was a handful for me at times.
Love it. 452 Himmy might be better fir me but that doesn't stop me thinking Triumph will sell bucket loads of them.
Ride safe. 👍
Totally. The benly 185 was a beast along these lanes. Skinny wheels rule!
Good review, the only one that really went off road to test it!
As usual the best down-to-earth no bs realistic reviews which are best for the no bs down-to-earth biker. Cheers.
Thanks oliver
This is the stuff I have been doing with my 900SS. Looking forward to my new 400X Great video
Wow now thats an offroad test, far more than I would ever attempt and it appeared to manage it all well, for me 80+% on road and a few off road tracks should be more than enough. Thankyou looking forward to seeing your Himalayan 450 review whenever that happens.
You did well on those tyres!
Great looking little bike and an amazing price with a premium badge on the tank. If you're looking for a fun runner about that will do everything to a reasonable level it looks perfect.
Great perspective on the bike as usual
Like your straight forward honest appraisal ❤
Thanks for the review.
It looks like you’ve put this little scrambler through much more than I would have done.
There are certainly more off-road capable bikes.
This one looks like it would excel at around town riding, with a bit of off road or country lanes.
For comparison, I just purchased the Triumph Scrambler 1200XE. I doubt I’ll ever do any serious off-road riding on it.
I have a Kawasaki KLR 650 that I mainly use as a daily rider. My little Honda CRF300 Rally will take care of any off-roading I’ll ever do.
Still and all, I really like this little Triumph Scrambler 400.
Brave man on those tyres
The proper way to run in and review a new bike 👍
I'm considering purchasing a scrambler model. Of course, Triumph's Scrambler 400X is also a candidate. Thank you for showing me how to drive on rough roads in this video. I think it depends on the skill of the rider, but I felt that it was the perfect bike for my purpose.
Nice, balanced review!
Finnaly found a video of one in the mud. Love to see it
Shows how horrible the lack of a back mudguard is. You can always tell a Triumph rider they have a stripe of sh!T going up their back
Ye rear mudguard not that great but since most if not all videos on this bike are people just doing roads and 0 off road. Good to see how it handles in the mud @@richardsimpson3792
Educated realistic review
Enjoyed it
Thx bro 🙏
Thanks man!
Very informative video, Nathan! Two or more moto journalists here in India have said that they spoke to senior folks at Bajaj about the identical bore and stroke dimensions of the new 390 engine and the Triumph 400 engine. They were told that they used their know-how of the flow and combustion characteristics of the old 390 as the starting point for the new engines. They didn't want to reinvent the wheel so used that knowledge. But, everything else is different in these engines.
As for stalling, the 390 Adventure has also had this problem. It started with the changes required to meet BS6 (Euro 5) emission norms. This also affected the BS6 390 Duke but not the BS4 (Euro 5) one. Not all units had the problem, though. I don't know how they permanently fixed it but a friend of mine had this issue fixed by a throttle body replacement.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I would think someone knows for definite the differences and/or similarities between the two engines, which I guess both Triumph and KTM would rather have us see as being totally different, but if there is any overlap I wouldn't see any problem with that. Would seem like common sense to me.
Interesting on the 390. My Euro 4 bike has never done it so would tally that it started on E5 bikes.
@@nathanthepostman Sorry, there is an error in the second paragraph of my first comment. BS4 is equivalent to Euro 4, not Euro 5. BS6 is Euro 5. The stalling problem did *not* affect the Euro 4 390 models but started with the Euro 5 modifications. A FuelX Lite or Pro also completely eliminates stalling since the engine actually gets some fuel rather than just a whiff of it.
Brilliant review, and our lanes down here in Devon are designed for enduro or trail bike, I won't to give this triumph a bash, but would take it green lane thrashing.😊
I do like the look of this bike. Had a Street Scrambler 900 in the past and this looks like a mini version. It's on my list but I'm disappointed to hear about the stalling issue. I had a KTM390 Duke that did the same which was really annoying around town. I was told it could be fixed by a booster plug but I sold it before trying.
Nice update. Cheers
Test riding one this week coming, being nearly 75 need to downsize my speed twin 1200, sorry I’ll only be doing the odd crappy lanes 😊 regards Fred
Excellent review, and like you said if you want to go through the mucky stuff get a Himalayan or Scram
Man, I wish I had this when I was riding through Vietnam and Thailand. Looks like I need to go back and ride it again. lol
Good review and advices
Thanks for this! I Am currently riding a TriCity 300 (only have a B-license) but working for a A2 license. My TriCity is limited on gravel. Looking forward to hearing you thoughts on the new Himalayan when you get it. KTM 390 Adventure is also on my list. Have lots and lots of gravel roads here in Sweden.
Great news!
6:10, Triumph released a new update patch on its ECU. Fortunately, it did solve the stalling issue
I'll be considering this bike for use on unpaved roads.
Nice one Nathan only you would do that to a brand new bike... Great stuff and very enjoyable review 👍
Great review mate. I recently bought it in India and clocked 1000kms riding in the Himalayas. Mostly good roads, but some gravel too. I love it… but I’m not a hard core biker as such. Just getting back in a bike after 18 years. It’s great to see it can take the punishment you put it through. Noice.
you've got some great riding up there in the Himalayas Mr Kushinator! Welcome back to biking. Hope you and the Triumph enjoy some adventurous miles together.
@@nathanthepostman you know what the hard part is Nate. I live in Australia and I’m now back here. The bike is ofcourse in India waiting for my next adventure. I miss it…lol. Tempted to buy one here as well.
@@thekushinatordo it do it
Looks like a good dirt gravel road bike for what we have here in the NE USA.
I had the same on my street triple RS in 2019, stalled on me 3 times with red engine light come on, had to stop and turn ignition off and back on fired it up and was OK again. Quite common on the FB pages, I told the dealer on first service which I presume they updated the ECU as others had done and never happened again after 500 miles.
The tyres didn't seem to slow you down too much, which is amazing considering the lanes you were riding down.
It is a great looking bike. I'd love it if they built a "proper" scrambler with the new MX250 frames and this engine, with a sensible seat height.
Let’s be honest most people who buy this bike will never go off road. Same as just about every other similar bike with the name scrambler attached. Nothing wrong with that of course it’s a great bike.
No but just great seeing it perform quite good in those conditions. Nice to have extra offroad capabilities 😊
Glad I did not wait for the X, had a feeling it would have the weight higher up, the seat height and extra money the Scram worked out better for me.
I think bar engine power the scram is probably going to be the 'better' scrambler.
I have heard of that stalling thing happening with the KTM 390 tbf...
You baptized it in mud. 😊
I would agree as a guy who hasn't ridden a 400X yet, it seems like a great country lane/fire road or around town bike. Winter bike.
It would be a nice Distinguished Gentleman's Ride bike on a budget.
I think for someone who just want to do some summer adv riding looks a lot of fun! Personally Id like it to have a bigger tank so could do a bit of light touring a bit better, not a biggy though. Nice bike!
Sounds like the new Himalayan 450 might be right up your street. 😉
@@jimmyjam8795 Am happy with my 2023 Himmy! If was in the market I'd also consider the CF moto, Kove or Rieju (39 litre).
As a second bike the Sup Meteor tickles my fancy😉
My tiger sport 1050 had that unexpected stalling issue under the exact same circumstance,a warning light came up stopped dead slowly changing down a gear, triumph said it's the 1st they'd heard about such an issue,lies of course, ended up selling to a dealer,wasn't impressed with triumphs after service at all.but looking at the 400 as a fun 2nd bike to replace the 390 adventure
For trail riding use a trail bike, you’ve just shown that in video. I think it would make a good road bike, maybe for local or shorter trips. It’ll be interesting to see what Someone like rally raid can do with it, but would just hike the costs.
I would like one in the garage, next to my Tiger. But I think I’d end puttting more miles on the 400.
You summed it up well in the video Nath.
Yes I think it was a video to prove (to myself if no one else) what I already presumed. It would work with knobblies. And if you only had space or money for one bike it could take you on a few trails on the weekend and to the office Monday morning. As an all rounder then maybe it's 'enough'. As a trail bike obviously there's always going to be better options for it.
Good review
Anecdotally (I haven't ridden any of them) I would think either the Himalayan 452 or the cf moto 450mt when they arrive, would both be better for on and off road than this, not doing it for me I'm afraid Triumph...
Safe to say no other current vlogger will touch this type of bike test
The engine stalling issue has been resolved by the new software patch. Mine updated during the first service in India.
That's good to hear
Thanks for the update
Triumph did provide an ECU update for the random stalling issue. It made the 2nd year very very short, almost to the point of being unusable. So when you're accelerating from standstill, you go 1st to 2nd, and almost immediately to 3rd. I remember similar update was provided for the Duke 200 1st gen for the same stalling issue at low revs.
An ecu update cannot change the gearing.
@@humandroid53 yeah, discussed it and got to know the same. I thought they altered the power curve to deliver a small surge at a certain rpm leading to the engine hitting the limiter earlier in 2nd gear, but apparently that's not how it works.
Weird though, that I had the same observation on both the 1st gen Duke and now the Speed400 after an ecu update to fix stalling issues.
Great video Nathan. Wonder how this rides compared to new himalayan once it's out. Quite fancy something small and lightweight for commuting to complement the gs1200 🤔
I think the slimmer, bigger front wheel and showa front forks should give it an edge in this terrain. On the road, not sure
Its a great motorcycle.mine has tapped noise coming from engine service technician its typical triumph character
Nathan . i read your book after you rode the Postie bike from Australia all those years ago . also met you at the hill climb in Worcestershire around 2016 . have been a fan ever since . you are the man to try out a bike such as this . stronger , better quality hand guards a must .
Or learning not to crash! Hope you're keeping well John.
Waiting for the new Himalayan with the 450. Would like to see a comparison. But this bike is intriguing for a oldster like me. I will take it off road but nothing a BMW F650GS couldnt handle.
Just looking at it behind you, on the stand, it looks like it would take a 90/90 x 21 with a bit of modification which wouldn't spoil the looks. Would make it much more purposeful. It looks and sounds great, it's a shame they didn't go the extra with the front wheel, or at least provide an option.
Yeah it's a good point. Will be interesting to see if rally raid look at that option when they get one for wheel and suspension work. Would be a different bike with 21 and good suspension
Weird that it isn't the only bike that does the clutch in engine stop thing - my 790 Duke occasionally does it, third to second on a closed throttle, clutch in and bingo. Software updates by KTM haven't sorted it but can be ridden round.
Yeah someone else in the comments said their new Transalp did it as well. I reckon it's the emissions running them so lean they just fuel out or something. Glad they sorted it.
This is video am looking for... After I brought this 😅
Your comment in the first few seconds after seeing you go through some proper water, bouncing round very muddy rutted turns, picking your way over lumpy bumpy ground, about’ this is how people who buy this bike will be using it. I really think not.
Paused right at the beginning here to post this comment and looking forward to watching the rest of it with a cuppa, but very very few will be getting covered in shite! 1958 tr5 trophy rep that gets proper muddy too
And doing all that sliming about without trials tyres, very good going
Is it possible to fit touring pannier rack? When I get my A2, Ill be looking for a light adventure bike and am considering Himalayan, Honda CRF300 or this bike.
Yeah naah... nice puddle hopper.... let me know next time you are out on it..... i'll bring me gixxer 😅
Wonder how it compares to the 2024 svartpilen 401
my 1200c 2020 does the engine dying thingy when in traffic in first gear
Nice one mate.
It seems like it still did the job when it needed too. That's probably enough for most adventure bikes.
I do feel spoilt with the 390s suspension but I suppose with the price difference you could probably do a fair bit to improve/replace what its got. If it ends up being popular hopefully Rally Raid or even Triumph themselves will do a special version.
Other than some scratch protection do you think it needs anything such as a better bashplate etc or could you just crack on like you can with a Himalayan?
Has yourself or anyone on here had a go of the road version of it yet?
In loving the choice of smaller bikes we are getting these days.
Cheers
Paul
Cheers Paul. This is the off road version of it. For now at least!
Rally raid are on the case with wheels and suspension. suspension I think will make a big difference
Hi Nathan. In my mind Triumph have build a small capacity bike along the lines of the 350 Royal Enfields, but given it a nod towards some gravel and dirt roads. It’s a shame they didn’t give it the high level scrambler exhaust pipes we’ve seen on the higher cc models. I think when RE launch a 452 Scram, which is highly likely, it’ll be a better option and cheaper than the Triumph.
I think you're right, the new him/scram could be the better bike. Time will tell
@@nathanthepostman it’s such a shame the mainstream manufacturers haven’t caught on to the popularity and market demands for good dual-sport bikes. Surely the likes of Itchy Boots and the ever-increasing ABR Rally are demonstrable indicators. BMW should do a 310 GS Adventure with spoked wheels, a bigger tank, and better suspension, and where are Suzuki? A modern DR 650 and DRZ would be great. I see Yamaha are bringing a 250 Ténérè out, but looks very similar to the old V-strom 250.
Yeah totally. The Japanese are dead in the water aren't they. I guess it's a mixture of emissions regulation, their corporate structure being so inflexible and the customer probably not prepared to pay what the manufacturer needs to charge. But the Indians and Chinese have definitely managed to suss it out. I see that Kove 800 rally spec bike came in at 165 kilos on the scales or thereabouts. They're definitely pushing
Good video.
The cut-out is probably 'dry idle' in the FI...on the over-run with a closed throttle the fuel is cut off. Do an old-school throttle blip wen changing down and it shouldn't happen.
It's pretty plain that this isn't a proper trail bike. Interestingly for the cost of one of these AND a run-of the mill middleweight trailbike you could get a KTM690 or clone, which would be better on road and dirt.
You know it's funny, my friend and I used to ride dual sports all the time and he went and put street tires on his bike, it was pretty fun in the twisties and he said it would do fine offroad as well, I rode it several times with the street tires and it did ok in dry rocky stuff, but the first time i used it in wet muddy stuff it was an absolute nightmare. the lesson? TIRES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! this review said alot about the bike but testing with those tires is going to get expected results. My current bike has a 19" front and i put a Shinko Goldenboy on the front and it's such a tall tire with deep knobs that the outside diameter approaches within 3/4" of a standard 21" wheel and tire. I've never had any problems offroad from a 19" with a good tire on the front, and isn't the RE Scram also a 19" front? oh well, I say put a golden boy up front and a Kenda Trackmaster in the back and there won't be a trail on that whole rock you can't tame.
I kind of agree but tyres don't improve suspension. And I've got a 310gs with knobblies that's got the same tyre size as the triumph and it'll do it. But to me it'll never give you the confidence of a bike with a 90 section 21. The scram is the same wheel as the triumph, but I felt it just gave better stability irrespective of tyres. But that's just my opinion
Around here (Brazil), it arrives at a higher price than the Interceptor 650, so it has somewhat lost its competitive edge in the market. It's still a great bike, especially if it's priced around 15% less than the Interceptor.
Great reviews with meaningful opinions, not just your bland "it's really good etc."
Thanks Smarti
Wasted no time in getting this out👍 We are getting spoilt for choice on good quality budget bikes. I think the Chinese mainly are driving this followed by India and it will ramp up more as time goes by. Japanese and European manufacturers look out. Can only be good for the biking fraternity. I had a look at the new Himalayan on Tuesday and have to say was impressed. Although fairly heavy it carries its weight well and I reckon will inspire confidence off road. Really looking forward to hearing your views on it after a thorough test.
Cheers Nathan.
👍👍
Is there back tyre mud guard?
I came to the conclusion decades ago. The people that design motorcycle, do not ride them.
Problemas con el electro ventilador?? Calentamiento excesivo del motor?? Magnifica prueba
Problems with the electric fan? Excessive engine heating? Great test
My Svartpilen 401 also keeps stalling when the clutch is pulled in after riding at speed. Given that the 401 and 390 are the same bike, looks like the Triumph might also be the same engine
That's interesting. I've got a 390 adv and that's never done it. Seems to be a bit hit and miss between bikes. Seems quite common on numerous bikes judging by the comments.
DR 650, DR 400 or many of the 80s 250-400s, this bike is too pretty to use as a trail hack.
Wish they would give us tubeless tires and a centerstand instead of ABS and traction control.
A real shame that did made it with spoked wheels, maybe they will add them in the Triumph accessories. And those stock tires, even looking at them they do give you a big hint that theya more for the street.
I've got a feeling Triumph won't offer the spokes. I believe Rally Raid are working on some aftermarket rims that'll be tubeless spoked which should be interesting.
Why is the tire not aggressive like scrambler tire should be?
Not a surprise, the scrambler is a label not a designation
Yep reflash fixes it
I hope they are imported into the USA.
interested to see if they actually take responsibility for the problem, that isnt Triumphs strong point. and they havent in India from what i hear. Interested in your take on the engine actually, because again, what i hear from friends in India is they found it gutless at the bottom end, fine above 6k rpm but nothing below that, and they did describe it as buzzy. Maybe theyve re tuned it for the British market? interestingly theyve said pretty much the same about the new Himalayan, That its not as easy to ride or lazy as the old one, that you have to rev it much more. I think i would prefer one of the old CCM's 🙂 have they been selling ok? have fun
First batch of 30 arriving and sold next week!
Interesting about triumph performance. To me it's a strong engine off the bottom. I haven't taken it over 6k because it's still tight and it gets quite busy after that. I think it's a pretty torquey engine but just shows we all have different perceptions of the same machine
Nice one with the CCM's, and yep, re the Triumph (and anything else) if we all thought the same it would be a boring world mate, 🙂 enjoy the ride 🙂
Interestingly it’s quite expensive in the UK, here in NZ it’s about £4500
That is a good price indeed
we have 20% v a t .?
@@johnbellamy6449 NZ has 15% GST, that still doesn’t explain the difference