@@eliaskoliphotography Yaw washout/spin out can occur during a dive making it difficult to catch, could lead to a crash if it happens at the wrong time during the dive. It a characteristic of ducted quads or “whoops” like this and not unique to the Avata 2. It can happen due to flying in its own dirty air and aerodynamics with the ducting. Some are worse than others about this and any wind conditions will have a huge impact as well. Hope that explains it. I got lucky with these short quick dives but I was also trying to correct for it since I knew what to look for and felt it yawing… even then, wash out with dives on this quad is inevitable no matter who is flying it.
@@JohnCuppi That explains it, thanks. What if I were to fly it really high and then do a dive with more time and space to catch would I be ok or would I just lose control in the dirty air?
What do you mean “you don’t wanna do a straight down dive with a drone like this?” What would a better drone for diving be and what makes it better for that? New to this
Yeah… it feels harder to pull some of these moves off with the Avata 2 compared to the Avata 1. Throttle is touchy as well. I’d like to try flying them back to back, to really see if it’s just me or not. This was my first try in manual mode though sooo yeah.
Great tutorial on how to set-up your Avata 2 for full manual mode. I'm glad you a chance to fly the Avata 2 in manual mode using the new FPV controller 3. And you did great for your first time, at least as long as you stayed away from those trees, LOL. I love that FPV course you set up there, nice for testing out new FPV drones. Great video, and thanks for sharing John.
Yeah, in full manual mode it can wipe out in hard turns. Other people have confirmed it too. I actually had the "tumble" happen to me last year with the Avata 1 over water, that was a scary situation but I was prepared for it. ua-cam.com/video/MLG5oLKDI04/v-deo.html
@@MoeDefinitely901 My favorite prebuilt cinewhoop at the moment is the GepRC Cinebot30. Love how that quad flies, and I just added a GPS to mine. Avata 1 or 2 is going to be a great starting point though for 99% of people who have never touched any fpv quads and are just looking to get their feet wet. It's also entirely capable for cinematic shots without ever having to go full manual.
I tried to land in manual, hit the landing a little hard, it started bouncing like crazy, flipped upside down and I couldn’t shut the damn motors off! Happen to anyone else?
Yes. Always just flip to normal mode and land that way. I've had this happen as well. The 'little hard' landing causes the flight controller to freak out, and it's very sensitive.
Nice video thank you! If you don’t disable M Mode attitude limit, will this stop it from flipping please? I don’t need to do flips etc but would like the speed of manual mode, so would that be best for me please?
i'm surprised you did so well haha! pretty sure it would feel ALOT better if you turned up the pitch and roll max rates as the default 450 is horrible from what i've seen/heard, would love to see a take 2 with adjustments made to the max rates ! great vid btw i'll drop you a like and have subbed, cheers
@@EyeintheSky-u1y hey thanks I appreciate it! Yeah the rates weren’t my favorite, but I’ve actually flown the Avata 2 a few more times since this video after changing them… and can confirm that I just feel that this drone feels worse to fly in manual mode compared to the Avata 1. Everything feels harder to pull off with Avata 2… what I’d like to do is try changing the props out on it. Avata 1 had 5-blades props where the 2 has only triblade and they ditched the pusher style. Avata 2 sounds a lot better because of this, but I think it took a serious hit in performance. However this drone never was, and never will be marketed as an acro beast. It’s for doing cine-stuff. But it’s always fun to test beyond the limits which is why I do these videos. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Keep in mind all rates do is change the response based on stick deflection. Higher rates move the quad more rapidly in the desired direction with less deflection, and lower is the exact reverse. It cannot change some of the fundamental limitations of this quad which affects me more than anything.
@@JohnCuppi Thanks for the reply and info what you said makes perfect sense you clearly know your stuff ! The prop change sounds like a great idea I've never tried the avata 1 but have just got the avata 2 and waiting for my fpv controller to get to me so will be doing a few tests myself in the near future, thanks again and I'll keep an eye out for your content in the future, cheers !
@@EyeintheSky-u1y Cheers, thanks! My Avata 1 freestyle for comparison is over here also if you're interested! Unfortunately I don't actually own one, I just borrow friends to do these videos, so it might be a while before I get to try it with some different props. ua-cam.com/video/BSc0cVfWmNI/v-deo.html
Nice viddy, but wishing you filmed your joystick movements with a second camera and inserted it into the viddy. That would have provided a real education.
Sorry for not doing that - I would check out Joshua bardwell’s freestyle tutorial series if you’re looking for content like that. Trying to replicate stick movements from a fast paced freestyle video is actually very difficult anyway. He goes through how to do multiple different types of moves in much more depth and longer detail than I ever could in an 8 min video just demoing the capability of the Avata 2.
Yes, it's going to change the feel for those modes as well, but you will still not be able to flip the drone upside down in those modes. They retain their safety mechanisms. Only now, you do need to be slightly more mindful of the fact that you cannot just let go of the throttle stick in a panic and expect it to center itself. I actually everyone comfortable on sticks should just use it this way because it's much more relaxing and makes sense to not have a throttle that is constantly flighting you on an FPV drone like this.
Cool to see you around man! Yeah, these drones are not designed with this in mind, but it's fun to test the limits. There's something about manual mode on this drone that feels harder to fly for me than the Avata 1. I can't put my finger on it... it shouldn't have been so hard to get that gate power loop low to the ground. Maybe I just need to spend more time with it.
I flew the Avata 1 manual mode, I honestly did far better with the Avata 1 freestyle. You can see that experience here: ua-cam.com/video/BSc0cVfWmNI/v-deo.html
@@GeorgeKopp It seriously does feel harder to pull some of these moves off with the Avata 2 compared to the Avata 1, actually. Throttle is touchy as well. It's capable but really needs a lot more gas to get through any of it. Must be partly less thrust from the 3-blade prop on t he 2 vs the 5-blade on the 1.
Why would you not want to dive with this drone? Someone explain pls
@@eliaskoliphotography Yaw washout/spin out can occur during a dive making it difficult to catch, could lead to a crash if it happens at the wrong time during the dive.
It a characteristic of ducted quads or “whoops” like this and not unique to the Avata 2. It can happen due to flying in its own dirty air and aerodynamics with the ducting.
Some are worse than others about this and any wind conditions will have a huge impact as well.
Hope that explains it. I got lucky with these short quick dives but I was also trying to correct for it since I knew what to look for and felt it yawing… even then, wash out with dives on this quad is inevitable no matter who is flying it.
@@JohnCuppi That explains it, thanks. What if I were to fly it really high and then do a dive with more time and space to catch would I be ok or would I just lose control in the dirty air?
Everything you need to know at the front of video. Nice!
What are your rates have you changed them and angle please thank you
@@adrianbaldwin8832 I haven’t changed the rates. 🙂
@@JohnCuppi ok 👍 cheers
What do you mean “you don’t wanna do a straight down dive with a drone like this?” What would a better drone for diving be and what makes it better for that? New to this
I would also like to know.. I really wanna dive mine 😅
Has a bit of trouble getting through powerloops. You definitely need to adjust the rates for rolls. Problem is there’s no adjustment for throttle. 😢
Yeah… it feels harder to pull some of these moves off with the Avata 2 compared to the Avata 1. Throttle is touchy as well.
I’d like to try flying them back to back, to really see if it’s just me or not.
This was my first try in manual mode though sooo yeah.
Good good nothing better to learn on a drone that you have to send in to have it fixed lol but I do l9ve the dji drones they are good tools
Haha - oh yes it’s a bad idea to learn full manual on this drone - but I wanted to see what it could do.
You’re the best John
Great tutorial on how to set-up your Avata 2 for full manual mode. I'm glad you a chance to fly the Avata 2 in manual mode using the new FPV controller 3. And you did great for your first time, at least as long as you stayed away from those trees, LOL. I love that FPV course you set up there, nice for testing out new FPV drones. Great video, and thanks for sharing John.
The trees are too much fun to stay away from. Thanks Ron!
Yikes. So it tumbles like its predecessor? Nah I’m not getting it. Thanks for the vid bro
Yeah, in full manual mode it can wipe out in hard turns. Other people have confirmed it too. I actually had the "tumble" happen to me last year with the Avata 1 over water, that was a scary situation but I was prepared for it. ua-cam.com/video/MLG5oLKDI04/v-deo.html
Yeah I let my Avata go and got a pavo25. I got to say that it was great for teaching me fpv though.
@@MoeDefinitely901 My favorite prebuilt cinewhoop at the moment is the GepRC Cinebot30. Love how that quad flies, and I just added a GPS to mine.
Avata 1 or 2 is going to be a great starting point though for 99% of people who have never touched any fpv quads and are just looking to get their feet wet. It's also entirely capable for cinematic shots without ever having to go full manual.
I tried to land in manual, hit the landing a little hard, it started bouncing like crazy, flipped upside down and I couldn’t shut the damn motors off! Happen to anyone else?
Yes. Always just flip to normal mode and land that way. I've had this happen as well. The 'little hard' landing causes the flight controller to freak out, and it's very sensitive.
@@JohnCuppi good call
Can you choose limit of maximum speed drone in manual mode?
No you cannot limit the speed.
Ok I am getting the controller. Its a moral imperative.
You're just itching to use that DJI care faster.
Dang, now to go take some motion sickness pills! That's why we leave the pro flying to the experts! Cool video man!
Nice video thank you! If you don’t disable M Mode attitude limit, will this stop it from flipping please? I don’t need to do flips etc but would like the speed of manual mode, so would that be best for me please?
i'm surprised you did so well haha! pretty sure it would feel ALOT better if you turned up the pitch and roll max rates as the default 450 is horrible from what i've seen/heard, would love to see a take 2 with adjustments made to the max rates ! great vid btw i'll drop you a like and have subbed, cheers
@@EyeintheSky-u1y hey thanks I appreciate it! Yeah the rates weren’t my favorite, but I’ve actually flown the Avata 2 a few more times since this video after changing them… and can confirm that I just feel that this drone feels worse to fly in manual mode compared to the Avata 1.
Everything feels harder to pull off with Avata 2… what I’d like to do is try changing the props out on it. Avata 1 had 5-blades props where the 2 has only triblade and they ditched the pusher style. Avata 2 sounds a lot better because of this, but I think it took a serious hit in performance.
However this drone never was, and never will be marketed as an acro beast. It’s for doing cine-stuff. But it’s always fun to test beyond the limits which is why I do these videos. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Keep in mind all rates do is change the response based on stick deflection. Higher rates move the quad more rapidly in the desired direction with less deflection, and lower is the exact reverse. It cannot change some of the fundamental limitations of this quad which affects me more than anything.
@@JohnCuppi Thanks for the reply and info what you said makes perfect sense you clearly know your stuff ! The prop change sounds like a great idea I've never tried the avata 1 but have just got the avata 2 and waiting for my fpv controller to get to me so will be doing a few tests myself in the near future, thanks again and I'll keep an eye out for your content in the future, cheers !
@@EyeintheSky-u1y Cheers, thanks! My Avata 1 freestyle for comparison is over here also if you're interested! Unfortunately I don't actually own one, I just borrow friends to do these videos, so it might be a while before I get to try it with some different props. ua-cam.com/video/BSc0cVfWmNI/v-deo.html
@@JohnCuppi I'll check it out now and understood, I'll be waiting if that test ever does materialize, thanks again !
sir.. do you unlock the fcc mode?
I live in the united states, so it is in FCC mode.
What a great setup Doc Dotson has there! Thank you for showing us how it's done John!
Doc has a great fpv park, just wish I lived a little closer to pop down more often
So I can also change to manual mode midflight but for some reason I can never take off in manual mode. Do you know how to fix this issue?
I don't believe that is an issue. It is designed that way for safety reasons, I think.
Nice viddy, but wishing you filmed your joystick movements with a second camera and inserted it into the viddy. That would have provided a real education.
Sorry for not doing that - I would check out Joshua bardwell’s freestyle tutorial series if you’re looking for content like that.
Trying to replicate stick movements from a fast paced freestyle video is actually very difficult anyway.
He goes through how to do multiple different types of moves in much more depth and longer detail than I ever could in an 8 min video just demoing the capability of the Avata 2.
Great vid John avataaaaaaa 😂 bro I love that Fpv park
When you adjust the screws does it change the normal and sport control or feel, like out of the box?
Yes, it's going to change the feel for those modes as well, but you will still not be able to flip the drone upside down in those modes. They retain their safety mechanisms.
Only now, you do need to be slightly more mindful of the fact that you cannot just let go of the throttle stick in a panic and expect it to center itself.
I actually everyone comfortable on sticks should just use it this way because it's much more relaxing and makes sense to not have a throttle that is constantly flighting you on an FPV drone like this.
Nice rip John.... Just ordered one for cruising and good video since it is not a true freestyle ripper.
Cool to see you around man! Yeah, these drones are not designed with this in mind, but it's fun to test the limits.
There's something about manual mode on this drone that feels harder to fly for me than the Avata 1. I can't put my finger on it... it shouldn't have been so hard to get that gate power loop low to the ground. Maybe I just need to spend more time with it.
Great video John
That was a fun and nice to watch video. Thanks man. I'd like to see a comparison with the avata 1...
I flew the Avata 1 manual mode, I honestly did far better with the Avata 1 freestyle. You can see that experience here: ua-cam.com/video/BSc0cVfWmNI/v-deo.html
@JohnCuppi As soon as I comment I went over your videos and saw that... it's so impressive what you did... I suck at piloting fpv in acro mode lol
Great video John. Love seeing manual mode, flying by the master.
thank you George! ahaha the master, but I crashed twice and couldn't do the gate power loops 🤣
@@JohnCuppi We both know that was the Avata 2 not your skills.
@@GeorgeKopp It seriously does feel harder to pull some of these moves off with the Avata 2 compared to the Avata 1, actually. Throttle is touchy as well. It's capable but really needs a lot more gas to get through any of it.
Must be partly less thrust from the 3-blade prop on t he 2 vs the 5-blade on the 1.
Nice.review!
Fly it like u stole it! 😂🤘😎
basically did for a few minutes lol