Sharpening Jointer & Planer Knives on the Shopsmith Conical Sanding Disc
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- ✅ SHOP NOTES: Last weekend we introduced the versatile Shopsmith conical disc sander and discussed how it can be used on wood. In this video, we'll talk about how to use it to sharpen Shopsmith 4" Jointer knives and Shopsmith 12" Planer blades.
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This video series struck a chord with the guys over on the SS forum. They're still alive and kickin'!
Glad to hear it!
You saved yourself $50+. You can’t say enough about Shopsmith engineering and how precise the tools can be. Thanks for the info.
So true. The machines are always such a pleasure to use. Scott
I watched this video some time ago and was so impressed that I purchased the sharpening guide and during the last couple days I replaced the bearings in my Jointer and decided to use the tool for the first time and sharpened both sets of my Shopsmith Jointer knives.
One set is carbide and the other not.
Both came out as good if not better than new. WOW is the word for the ease and results.
Had to run a board through the jointer and it came out so smooth and flat. Should have replaced those bearings 1,000 board feet ago.
Thankl you as usual and congratulations on hitting that 99,999 Subsriptions.
Glad to hear that it's working well for you. And I think there's an extra 9 in there somewhere!
@@MyGrowthRings Dad-gum-it I did!!!
I was right. Now I have to send in an order to the mother ship. Conical disc and sharpening jig. On the positive side the cost will be less than my usual resupply order with Penn State Ind. Thanks for another great video help for the SS clan. Glen
I think you’ll be happy with the purchase.
Getting the setup for Christmas, already under the tree. Shopsmith makes a height adjuster that allows you to raise lower the table via a threaded adjustment it is calibrated and very precise. I like it!
Another excellent adjustment is use of the SSmith adjustable stop collar. By rotating the adjustable ring you can move the table down by thousandths.
Very well done!👍👍
Thanks John, yes, the adjustable collar would be perfect for this. Scott
Thanks Scott, this was a very helpful video. I have this sharpening jig and conical disc but have not used them yet. This video gives me the confidence to give it a try. I also want to thank you for answering an email I sent you about some replacement way tubes I purchased from Shopsmith. Many other people would have ignored my email. You are a wealth of knowledge.
Glad it was helpful! Scott
I am amazed at all the accessories that shop smith offers! Thank you for your devotion to sharing educational videos to users. Just continue to try and learn my tools. Your videos have been a huge help in my efforts.
I agree, Larry. Over the years Shopsmith (Magna, Yuba) have had some really clever ideas that have made it to market. Happy to hear my vids have been helpful! Scott
Ok Scott, I've been waiting for this one since both my planer and jointer knifes need to be sharpened and now I see why you led into this with the introduction of the conical disc which is one of the few tools that I DON'T have. Shucks.
Christmas is coming. Tell Santa
Super video! I have had this jig but never felt like I had the proper knowledge to use it correctly. Thanks so much
Glad it helped!
Watched your video and ordered a new sharpener directly from Shopsmith (since i couldn't find a used one). The box was missing the lower glide rails so I built a new piece using HDPE and tagged you on IG so you can check it out. Spent maybe 20 minutes sharpening 2 sets of jointer blades (extremely easy!). Thanks for the videos. You're a huge help!
Glad to hear it all worked out but it’s a shame that you felt like you had to do that repair work yourself. Did you call their customer service department? Scott
@@MyGrowthRings I haven’t yet. I’m working on a cutting board for my wife’s birthday while she’s out of town so getting the blades sharpened was time sensitive. I’m also going to replace 3 the 1” set screws with 1 1/2” because there are only about 2 threads on the wing nuts and where they thread in to the sharpening body. I understand why they didn’t use steel Allen head bolts threading in to aluminum but geeeesh, 1 or 2 threads holding the knife fixture is asking for trouble.
Thanks for the response Scott!!
Just when I think I'm getting caught up with accessories ..... LOL !!
It looks like a great addition to the Shop Smith for sure !!
Thanks for another very informative video Scott !!
Ha! Well, to be fair, there are a bunch of them!
Using that stop collar for a micro adjustment is way too cool. Thanks.
You are welcome. Scott
Scott, thanks! You continue to amaze with how deep the SS well goes!. Never thanked you for the vid on changing out jointer knives, it was great, Had to replace the jointer bearing and knives, but could not have done it without your tutelage.
Happy it was helpful, Richard. Thanks for the support! Scott
As always great information. I was looking forward to this because you mentioned that the jig was not for use on non Shopsmith planer knives. I've been using it to sharpen my Dewalt knives. OPPS... I look forward to the follow up. I've saved the cost to the jig and disc many times over by sharpening myself rather than sending it out to be done.
No harm no foul! I don't know that the DeWalt knives are even meant t be sharpened, but if you are going to do it at least be sure to sharpen them equally. Scott
Guess, I am subbed with both channels, still cool!! Thanks!
You know, for that to be of any help to the channel you'll need to make sure to watch and comment from both channels! Thanks in advance for that. :) Scott
Another idea - I have a table insert I’ve made for the conical disk. Now the jig is much closer to the table end. By use of the adjustable stop collar I can get excellent results and not be too extended. One time I did angle the jig at the end. I’ve a t-nut adapted face for the fence - making the fence longer.
All great tips. Thanks John.
Great video again. I use the adjustable stop collar to lower the table. As a technique I use a sharpie and cover the bevel. It makes it easy to see the area sharpened and expose any knicks. I’m not close to the manual, but it states how narrow the blades can be before they need replaced.
Great tip. Yes, there is a maximum that can be removed. I'll look it up and make sure to mention it in the follow-up video. Scott
Thanks Scott Green for the tip on using the sharpie. I do that with my lathe chisels when sharpening them, makes perfect sense to use that here.
Scott… that is a tool with which I am unfamiliar. Before I got my Tormek, I almost bought a used Shopsmith sharpening jig on eBay. Fortunately, I was outbid. You see, I don’t have a Shopsmith Jointer or Planer. It would have been useless to me…. Or, I’d have spent a week trying to re-engineer it to work!
After watching it in use, I must admit, it is quicker to set up, more foolproof and easier to use than the Tormek! And all in all, it is a lot less expensive too. Perhaps it would be worth it for me to find a used one and see what I’d have to modify to make it work in other brands of knives. After all, I only have about a dozen other projects going!
I posted a “Final Thoughts on the Conical Disc” video this morning. However, in my sleep deprived editing, I made a seriously incorrect claim. With a clear head this morning, I’m gonna fix it and repost.
You did a nice job with this demo, Thanks.
Thanks, Dave. Yes, I used to own a Tormek and used it once on my jointer knives and went back to the SS jig with the conical sander. The Tormek is unrivaled for chisels and plane irons, though. Scott
Great tips and well done. You really know how to communicate in your videos.
I have a set of diamond sharpening stones that I use for chisels and plan blades. I have sharpened my Shopsmith jointer blades on them using Rob Cosman’s methods. It is a much faster process than what you showed in this video. However, absent sharpening stones what you showed was very interesting.
I'm familiar with Rob's method for chisels and plane irons but haven't seen it sued for jointer knives. I'll have to look around UA-cam to see if there's an example of it. Thanks for expanding my knowledge, Larry! Scott
I wonder why they didn't make optional use of the mitre gauge slots on the table and possibly the slots on the 510 or 520 fences?
Another possible adjustment option would be to shim the fence, paper is around .1 mm ( ~ 3.9 thousandths " ) thick while playing cards are around .17-.25 mm ( ~ 6.7-9.8 thousandths "). There are ways of using feeler gauges as well.
According to the inch calculator ( search rise run to degrees ) a 5 degree slope is a rise to run of about 1 to 11.5 so by lowering the table 1/8" you move the abrasive surface closer by about 11/1000 ".
The reason they didn’t use the miter slot is so you can use the jig and disc on thenPowerStation with an extension table, which is the only table you can add to the Power Station. You could also use the jig on the Mark V with just an extension table, but they aren’t quite as rigid as the main table. Yes, a shim could work but lowering the table works great and doesn’t add parts.
Great video.
Thanks, Brad. Scott
Great tip and well done .Awesome job making it easy .Keep them coming .
Thanks Lance. And thanks for leaving comments on these vid. It really helps. Scott
Thanks Scott, once again a very detailed and informative presentation. I look forward to seeing how you make conical sanding discs from standard disc sheets. I ordered some 220 grit but couldn’t find any for a conical disc. I am assuming you use a conical sanding disc sheet as a template but you know about assumptions. Thanks again.
Thanks, James. I posted that video a few hours before this one. In case you still haven’t seen it you can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/KAuJQSs1U8E/v-deo.html And you are exactly right; if you have a disc to use as a template you can just copy it. Scott
Great info -- now there's another thing to buy!
I agree. It really just depends upon how often you need to have your jointer or planer knives sharpened. Around here it’s $1/1.50 an inch to have the professionally sharpened, and not only am I out $18 or so for the jointer but I have to have a second set of knives or I’m without my tools while they are being sharpened. I think it’s worth the investment. Scott
Once again, thanks Scott for a extremely informative video .... I'm definitely going to need to invest in the Conical Sanding Discs as well as the Sharpening Jig. Speaking of which, did you ever do a video on the Shopsmith Sharpening Guide for Chisels and Lathe Tools? I have the guide and a dedicated Steel Sanding Disc along with the 12" 150 Grit Fine Sandpaper but have lost the directions that came with the guide. Thanks again for the weekly videos ... I just love them. Blessings, Dennis
Hey Dennis. I don't know what happened to the response I typed, but I see it's not here! No, I haven't done a video on the sharpening jig yet, but once we are in our own shop and all our stuff is out of storage we should be able to get to it. That said, Doug Reid did a two part series on it: ua-cam.com/video/JlT_bNTnBUw/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/EkT5y-2ie94/v-deo.html Scott
GREAT video. Are you planning a video on setup of the knives for both the planner and jointer? Thanks again for your videos, they are great.
I've already done two videos on the jointer knife set-up, which are linked in the video description. I was hoping to do the same on a friend's Shopsmith planer, but he was away this weekend. We'll get to that eventually. Do check those videos out. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings I must have missed those. Sorry for the repeat request.
I need to get me one and the conical sander. You would be happy for me, tomorrow I am going to pick up a pro planer stand alone on casters that I purchased for $250. I am trying to talk myself out of the 510, jointer, bandsaw, strip sander and jigsaw he is selling for $500. I offered him $600 for everything and he told me let me sleep on it. But I have 3 machines and two jointers and a workmate already in a one car garage. But it is tempting. FB market place is just loaded with deals. a few months back I picked up the workmate and a jointer for $75. All of this dudes stuff looks brand new. I would like to have the bandsaw as mine is the old style and needs some love.
$500 for all that?! Snag it!
@@MyGrowthRings so I called him back and told him I would take it all but he had just hung up the phone with someone who wanted it. But I got the pro planer. I am going keep my eye out for a good deal on a 520. I seen one in Texas for 450 but not willing to drive that far for one again. Lol. I was in aware that shopsmith pro planer was made without a cast iron table. Was these the early models? It has the round crank knob too. But it is in pretty good shape so I am not complaining for 250. On casters too.
@@jvmiller1995 The Pro Planer was only made with a cast iron table. If it has an aluminum table, it was a Mark V-mounted planer with an aftermarket upgrade stand. That unit will feed the stock through slower, and if memory serves me correctly the main motor is slightly smaller too.
@@MyGrowthRings okay well I guess that is what it is. I was kind of wondering if that was not the case. It seems to cut okay. I have not messed with it a lot. I just got it home tuesday evening and I had a minor surgery yesterday. I think it will serve my purpose I don't do near as much as I use too I don't remember paying attention to if the label said pro or not. I just assumed it was as it was mounted. I was going to look up the serial but had not had the chance. Thank you for the info on it. I still stand to inherit a pro planer when the old man leaves the world. I would not have purchased just a mark v planer without the stand and motor. $250 I did not get hurt on it I don't think.
@@MyGrowthRings I guess the feed rate is 15 ft a min and the pro is 20 when turned up. I guess they did that as the 1 1/8 in the mark 5 cant handle the faster rate.I was thinking it was more grey looking than black so I 100% do have a mark 5 version on a stand. The conversion mine has from what I seen online has a 1.5hp motor. So thanks for messing up my awesome deal by telling me I don't know everything shopsmith as well as I thought. Lol For real tho thank you for the info and thank you for being there for our community. You are a wealth of SS info
Thank you. Dropping the table down a smidge more ....can you share any more on what that might be?
Will do in the mid-week follow up.
Thanks Scott a great video with important info
Thanks, Bob.
I did not know ShopSmith had this. I made a jig I use to sharpen on my 2x72. But back in the high school years of 92 -94 /i was taking Machine tooling class. I use to bring dads planer & jointer blades to vo-tech. I machined a jig to hold them and I would use their surface grinder to bring them to a stupid razors edge, I had a classmate that watched me pull it out of the machine & cut a sheet of paper with one. He then grab it from my hand. He said .."Oh , it ain't that sharp" (as he runs his thumb down the edge My blade. You could see a white yellow meat before the blood came gushing out) He was not the smartest guy there....
I would be very surprised if life has not taken him out by now. He is also the one that.. left a large chuck in a lathe that had been polishing at 3K.... And then turns it on.. The Chuck Key went across the shop and stuck into a piece of Bullet proof glass like nothing .
The glass goes to a shop viewing point.
But I did have these 12" razor sharp blades in my bag every few months!!!!!!! Guess what? No One died!!! How times are different!!!!!!!!!
Too funny! Yes, the Darwin Awards are a real thing!
Someday, can you show how to adjust the table so that the miter slot and the table saw blade are parallel? My 510 (I think) seems to be slightly out of alignment, but the instructions I found mention bolts that I don't think I have. It seems like it would be essential that the table be properly aligned for an activity like in this video, if you are relying on the fence to be parallel to the sanding disk.
One of these days I will. The 510 has four bolts that hold the table to the half round trunnions. The instructions tell you to loosen all four bolts but you only need to loosen three of the four. Leave one of the back bolts tight and pivot on that point, making slight adjustments at the front of the table. You can use a saw blade or the sanding disc as a reference point. There are several videos on UA-cam covering this alignment. I’ll see if I can link to one. Scott
ua-cam.com/video/1ibAY1bQDG8/v-deo.html
It is not that hard. The more time you take... the better results you will gain in precision! After you get the main table done you need to match the other tables... I do the end table next, to match it to the main table. Then do the extensions. Also Do not forget to reset the miter and fence again after you get the main table set & tight! I know it has been a year now. Either you got it or gave up by now. LOL
What speed did you use the slower the speed less heat.
I tend to run it on Slow, which is 700rpm. Much faster and the edges will loose their temper.
Are you able to sharpen the jointer knives on a flat disc sander with the fence offset adjustments previously mentioned? My assumption is not unless you are a risk taker.
Exactly! Yes, it’s how we used to do it before the conical sander and jig were introduced. It doesn’t get the same, flawless results, it it works ok. Scott
What grit was the sandpaper for this operation? Thank you for all the great information
I used 220 but Shopsmith says 150 is fine enough. I obviously disagree! Scott
Scott, I trust you all have/are having a lovely Thanksgiving … my favorite Holy-Day … my question does not have to do with the conical disk: in an earlier video you mentioned that you like to shift your extension table to hang "out board" … why do you like that? … to get a bit more distance between your saw blade and the rip fence? No rush, just curious.
John, I don't know where my response to your comment went, but it's not here! Yes, by repositioning the table top on the support I get a little more ripping capacity to the right of the blade. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings you commented on it in your video and showed the ET and where to tap the threads.
@@johnoerter2883 Ah! Well, I don’t know why I didn’t reply to your comment first!
Great video. Thanks. Bought this for the shopsmith blades but find myself needing to sharpen some JET 6" jointer blades. Anyone know if the angles are the same for all jointer blades? Any reason I can't use this for the JET blades?
Shopsmith would probably say not to use it because the jig was designed to clamp their tapered blades, but the clamping bar floats and I'm sure it would clamp just fine. I would just grind it to the same angle as the SS blades. Once you sharpen them once, that'll be the correct angle. Don't forget that for sharpening you don't tilt the table the way you do when using the conical disc for sanding wood. Best of luck, Bob. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Thanks Scott. Tried it today. The 6" blades for the Jet jointer are only 11/16" thick when new. And that's the minimum that the shopsmith jig will handle. I think the grinding on your jig was from someone trying to do the exact same thing. My jet blades were not close to sticking out past the SS jig. So I'll just take them somewhere this time.
@@bobkoelling9908 That makes sense. Thanks for the report, Bob. Scott
Hi Scott! Can you use this sharpening jig with a flat sanding disk? I have two flat sanding disks and just got a SS jointer that I am cleaning and prepping for use. I assume the blades will need to be sharpened and would like to try this rather than sending them out for sharpening. Thanks!
No, unfortunately it only works with the conical disc.
I'm thinking about getting this kit to sharpen my jointer blades, too. Is it really as easy as you made it look? Also, I have the 510 model. Do they work the same, or are there any problems I should expect? Thanks again for the great content.
It really is that easy. The most important thing to remember is to make very minor adjustments in either the quill or the table, because even a small adjustment can produce a lot of grinding. There’s no reason to take more of the steel off than necessary.
Any advantage to using a conical disk to sharpen the SS lathe tools versus the flat disk?
No, not at all. Because the conical disc only makes contact on a small area it would be very easy to create facets in the bevel of the tools.
Really cool, what angle is that set at? Can it be done on the straight wheel? What grit?
Thanks. I need my planer blades sharpened for sure.
The table is set flat for sharpening with the jig because the jig takes into account the taper of the blade. It all comes together to give the bevel a 45 degree angle. I use P220 grit for sharpening, while SS suggests P150 grit. I find that works for grinding a nick out or reshaping the bevel, but 220 is all that’s needed for sharpening. Yes, you can use a flat disc with the fence offset, but it’s tricky and the results are not as good.
Thanks for another great bit of info, and such a full answer. This was from my Gold Prospecting account, you git me twice.
@@FrugalFixerSpike Sweet! Thanks for that.
I have a speed reducer, should I use it to slow the disk below 700? If so, how much?
You could but it isn't necessary to run it slower, so you are really on your own there, Dave. Scott
We need you to design a home made version. Izzy Swan could do it... ;)
It was already designed and shown in the old “Power Tool Woodworking for Everyone” book.
Thanks for the tour. I'm going to try out the jig I bought for this next week. Are you using SS conical sanding abrasives? It seems difficult to find pre-cut conical disks in 12" that are finer grit than the ones SS sells.
Also, a little critique: I would lobby for you not reaching over the top of the running disc to switch off the machine at 14:55. Sets a bad example for us accident prone users : )
Then don’t do that.
Thanks for the video Scott. I have this (bought it when it was on sale) but have not used it yet. I have a 510 with a finicky fence. Assume I have to make absolutely sure it is parallel to the disc before starting. Also, I have the Shopsmith adjustable stop collar. If I was going to use that to lower the table for another pass to take more off, how much should I lower it.
Actually it’s surprising to know that even if the fence is slightly out of parallel with the miter slots you’ll still get accurate as straight edges with this set-up, just as long as nothing moves. As for the adjustable collar, i’ve reached out to Shopsmith‘s Jim Mccann for an answer on the effect of the lower of the table. A mathematical equation which my dyslexic brain has yet to be able to decipher! The manual makes a suggestion of lowering it 1/32”.
Also, in what way is your fence finicky?
How frequently would you estimate the jointer blades should need sharpening
It really depends upon your usage. In normal use I find I sharpen them once a year or so. Not too much of a burden, but infrequent enough that I always have to re-read the manual on my sharpening jig!
@@MyGrowthRings so my previous thread on the possibility of “upgrading the jointer to a helical cutter head probably not worth the expense even if there was a readily available option since the primary advantage is the economy of the cheap carbide tips - still would have less snipe and probably quieter but probably not worth it. So now, you n addition to the conical sander ill also be looking out for the jointer sharpening jig! You should still be on SS payrole!
Nice don’t have this but …….. 😃
Is it just me or is the editing on the vid a little wonky? No intro and it played the info on the planer knives at the end twice… 🤨
Did it? Bummer! Yeah, the video editing was a bit of a struggle. Sorry about that. Scott
I hate to ask you this, but can you post the time stamp of the repeated part?
Oh, I see what you mean now! I took two takes of my wrap up and left them both in!
Or maybe I was just padding the run time?
I was able to trim off the duplicate ending. Thanks again for the heads-up.
😂😂😢c
Obsolete. I wouldn't dream of having a jointer or planer without helical knives.
I don't believe that anyone is forcing this upon you.