The Greeks were always the businessmen and negotiators. This trait of theirs, their ability to “make a deal”, would be one of the huge reasons why the eastern Roman (Greek speaking) empire lasted 1000 years after Rome fell. The Greeks had more tact than the Romans.
@@obiologo The macedonians were not greeks. They were on the border three point of Illyria, Thracia/Peonia and Hellas, these people were a mix. The greeks, in the documents that have survived to us, made a difference between them and greeks.
Cut the fucking racial arguments out of it, and let the fucking facts come into play. Cleopatra came from the Ptolemaic bloodline. Before Megas Alexandros conquered Egypt, the Nubians and Ethiopians held political dynasties in Egypt of their own. But Cleopatra was not African black. It's not racism, it's fact. Case closed.
^ truth. I wish a black producer would make their own movie and films about black culture, like Spike Lee did with malcolm X. That was a masterpiece, and there should be more like it.
Wandrative the ancient Egyptians were not Caucasian. They were Hamitic. They were the sons of Ham. Hamitic and Semitic civilizations have mixed though.
And for some reason you are saying that 'Hamites' aren't Caucasian? There are three Caucasian phylogenic branches: Indoeuropean (aka outdated term Aryan/Japethic), Semitic, and Afroasiatic (aka outdated term Hamitic). The Egyptians are Caucasian in every way.
Mark Antony is definitely my favourite character in Rome, he is so sexy, brave, funny and womanizer.. This scene is one of my favourite scenes especially when she slapped him and when he told her ''your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal'' James Purefoy should have an Emmy or this role but who appreciates this kind of actors , Emmys are so rediculous.
Michael deAntonio Then you must have a big family;) Actually so called the Julio-Claudian dynasty was formed by the descents of Livia, Octavia, and Antony. Antony had 8 legitimate children. The eldest Antonia Prima reigned in Cappadocia, her descents in Tracia, Armenia, Crimea, his and Cleopatra descents (3 children) reigned for years in what we call now Turkey and Caucassus. Antonia Minor -Younger was the mother of Emperor Claudius. Antonia Maior and minor became the grand and great mothers of Nero, Messalina, Caligulla. Although elder son called Antyllus was executed, the younger Jullus Antonius had many descents and spoiled a lot of Octavian’s blood having an affair with Octavian’s only daughter, Julia. Anyway, It seems that despite Octavian fuonded the Empire, it was ruled by Antony's descents. What an ironic twist of history;)
Her dress, her gait, her manner of speech ... all are laid with purpose and deliberation. And to those who call Cleopatra "a bitch"... show some respect to a monarch of a great kingdom like Egypt. People often forget that Egypt was the breadbasket of Rome and without Egypt, Rome could not sustain herself.
I don't see how what Cleo did to keep her throne, was any worse than anything Antony or Caesar did to keep power? So what that they were married men? Both men also had a reputation for sleeping around, which was acceptable and even encouraged in Roman men. Cleopatra had no husband she was cheating on; both men were her only known sexual partners, and she was loyal to both, and her union with both kept Egypt independent that much longer.
@Gregory Smith Agree with you about Claudius. He possibly used his cerebral palsy and stuttering to his advantage so his enemies underestimated him and probably survived longer as a result.
@Gregory Smith My favourite Roman emperor is Augustus as he was more consistent and intelligent than the ones that followed after him, excluding Claudius of course. He ruled for nearly 50 years, quite an accomplishment for a Roman leader. I think he's very underrated, especially his abilities as a political strategist. It's a curious twist of history that nowadays people tend to remember Caligula & Nero more for all their antics, insanity and ineptitude.
@Gregory Smith That's funny, the joke about Pannonia, considering what a vast area of land it was back then. Now it's about 8 different countries Austria, Hungary among them. Augustus only killed one of Mark Anthony's children. Marcus Antonius Antyllus was executed, perhaps due to personal quarrel... Who knows. Think Mark Anthony had 8 offspring in total. Augustus spared his three nephews and nieces that Anthony had with Octavia, Augustus's elder sister. He killed Caesarion (alleged son of Julius Caesar) because according to Roman protocol, he was a threat. It's a curious thing, after over 2000 years of Judeo-Christian monotheistic values, the rituals of Pagan Rome may appear barbaric and even sociopathic to us now. Yet they were Polytheists and followed very different ethics which many fail to comprehend due to monotheistic religious dogma. I've always found Pagan Rome to be far more fascinating and multi faceted than Christian Rome. I often wonder what ancient Romans would make of our modern culture and customs. What would Roman soldiers and generals make of some of our modern leaders, like Trump?! If he can even be called a leader that is. With his juvenile tantrums, lack of military strategy and experience on the battlefield he certainly wouldn't have earned the trust of seasoned Roman soldiers. Propaganda is a curious thing... In these surreal times we live in, the 1999 movie, The Matrix comes to mind. When Morpheus presents Nero with a choice : *"Will you choose the red pill or the blue pill?" The RED Pill is the path of Philosophy and Reasoning and Critical Thinking and Science and testing. The BLUE Pill is that of simple and uncritical belief and emotional decision making.* The question is even more more valid since the US 2020 elections! Except, post election - the colours are inverse..
True, but cleopatra wasn’t this bratty and flighty. This is actually one of the few scenes that I agree with when it comes to her in this series. This is scene very much cleopatra
One nice touch I just noticed: At 3:42, I like the way she turns away from him, but she moves her shoulders first while keeping her face in his direction. It's different from most people, I think, who turn their heads first first and then their shoulders, or their heads and shoulders simultaneously. The way she does it looks a little flirtatious (picture how it would look from Antony's point of view). She even moves in a little closer before leaving.
Meat Ball true she is of Greek descent but.....that blood line is over a thousand years old. You mean to tell me her family picked up no tan in a thousand years?
They resided in the north of Egypt as did many Greek citizens in the time. They were tanned in the way that Mediterranean races are, the temperature and climate of northern Egypt is not significantly different to Greece, however it may still be slighter hotter than the Macedonian region of Greece to the north.
I love the foreshadowing of Antony's comments on his disdain for ships. Yet it was a naval battle which sealed his ultimate defeat. Or his comment on the strangeness of an Egyptian queen marrying a Roman consul when that same thing happened with him and Cleopatra.
This is an absolutely brilliant scene: a confrontation between the most powerful woman in the world and the most powerful man. He, an over-sexed, guff Roman general and she a sophisticated Egyptian Queen from an ancient dynasty. I love Cleopatra's voice, soft and methodical, assured and firm. She's completely unflappable and retains her regal dignity throughout the intense encounter.
@@miram.s.3602 The point is that she came from an ancient kingdom and although her dynasty itself may not have been as long as others, she inherited all of the glory of royalty from her predecessors, just like the Tudors, Stuarts or present day Windsors who inherited a thousand years of tradition from their predecessors.
She was the last scion of the empire created by conquests of Alexander and his undefeated army. With her death Hellenic period is considered to be over, because it was the last "Greek" kingdom surviving. Ancient Greeks contribution to development of western civilization is obvious, so there is definetely something symbolic when their last kingdom finally ends up fully under Roman domination. At least that's how I liked to see it, though obviously things in real life are more blurred than what history books make it to be. It's not like Middle Ages magically began at 476 and everybody suddenly turned into feudal knights.
@@legrandboche712 I live by the old adage, "better late than never!" LOL. BTW, I was going to wait eleven years to answer you, but decided to answer sooner this time around!
“Your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal” The delivery of that line… Jesus. Barely restrained lust drooling past gritted teeth. James Purefoy was born to play that character.
In terms of appearance, I don't think I've ever seen a more faithful representation of what the real Cleopatra looked like than in this very scene. Young, caucasian, auburn hair, long nose, pretty but not conventionally beautiful. Granted, the information we have on her looks is scarce but what we do have seems to paint her in this image.
Agreed. I’ve noticed lately African Americans now trying to claim Cleopatra was black as they are. They’ve done the same with Nefertiti and anyone else in history they feel like claiming. But she wouldn’t have been black at all... more like Italian in appearance. With fair skin.
@@becsocsci621 there was a few Nubian or kush pharaohs in Ancient Egypt. I disagree with their revisions of history, but it is obvious that Macedonian Egypt was greek
@@becsocsci621 Greek, not Italian. And there is some evidence to suggest that Ancient Egyptians were undoubtedly darker skinned. However, they weren't black. Ancient Egyptian art makes a clear distinction in skin color between themselves and actual black peoples such as the Nubians, Kushites and people of Punt. I suspect Ancient Egyptians would have looked fairly similar to Egyptian people today, or similar to some modern day Somalis and many North Africans. Brown, not black.
@@becsocsci621 Egyptians up to and including Ramises III were almost certainly black. The period after around 1,700 BCE brought invasions from lighter skinned races to Egypt. Skin colour really wasn't a 'thing' to the Mediterranean races during this period. That obsession seems to be a very modern thing.
Lol those questions Marc Antony is asking Cleopatra at the beginning...seems like he is trying to verify all the assumptions he has about her tastes when it comes to sex. And when he uses that paper to get some air at 1:22, he finds her smoking hot.
@@jordana.6874 Love her, but for one she didn't really look like her, and I'm pretty sure Cleopatra didn't wore gold lame fabric. Not only that but despite the majority of hints towards her Hellenic heritage, her costumes in the movie are way too Egyptian(if that makes any sence ) .
This classic HBO series Rome centered around two characters Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo, who were real-life historical soldiers in Caesar's army while in Gaul whose very names are in his writings. Throughout the series their misadventures involve them both unwittingly or inadvertently in the historical events that shaped Rome to ultimately to what it was destined to become an empire.
I'm Black (biracial, actually) and even I'm offended by some of the things you are saying. Seriously...you give people of color an even worse reputation than what we already have. Enough is enough. And no, Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator was NOT Black, sub-Saharan descent. She was Greek of Macedonian descent. Her very name is Greek, literally translating to "Her Father's Greatest Blessing." She was a Ptolemy who were very xenophobic and did not believe in racial mixing.
Ptolemy Dynasty adapts the local tradition of marrying their offsprings to maintain the purity of the bloodline. So not so much xenophobia as against going out of the family. Cleopatra VII was technically married to her younger brothers (2 of them) while being a concubine to Caesar and Antony.
+Onyx Fire Not accepting someone because they are mixed? Sounds racist. There is no such thing as a pure anything anymore so we are all “mutts” including you.
Sadly, this type of discussion nearly always devolve into a "white vs Black" flame fest. No such thing as "races" and never were which makes all of us shades of brown.
Fabian Hale How is that racist, moron? For one, he stated himself he was biracial. Last time I checked, biracial is an admixture of both races. Not just one.
When Cleo met Anthony, who treated her as a whore, it was clear to her that she can turn him round little finger. When she met Octavian, who treated her very politely, she knew instantly that all was lost...
Going through withdrawal pains after watching this masterpiece of a series. Now that GoT is in its last year, I wish they would revive this series, such a long history to cover that deserves more respect than just 2 seasons. Bring back as much of the original cast as possible. They were pure magic together.
She was a descendant of one of Alexander the greats generals. She was from the Greek elite that ruled Egypt. She was very much European in her looks but she used her image differently in different cultures. When she was in Rome she would dress like a Roman to appeal to the Romans. When in Egypt she would dress like the goddess's people expected her to be..
@@SebAnders Haha yeah that's the kind of thing you wear PURELY so people snicker and ask you about it. Then you tell them where you got and how. :) SO M.A.!
When I watched the episodes each week, the excitement and anticipation really built up as I waited to see what actor would play Cleopatra. All, ALL of the other casting was superb, and Lyndsey Marshall was outstanding as Cleopatra.
I love the design of this programme. Cleopatra's outfit for example - the Egyptian dress with the Roman/Greek hairstyle. Nice to see that they tried to make it authentic. :)
Actually the first lawyers were Roman patricians. In the times of the monarchy they were the only ones that had political influence, could be heard in a court and could know the law (up until the very early republic the law was very secretive and exclusive). So when a plebeian needed to complain or resolve some issue with the intervention of the law he needed the patronage of a patrician and he would be considered to be his "client" (That's when the term was coined). All of these things changed in the Republican era when the plebeians gained a lot of power and recognition by the law and could, in fact, represent other roman citizens in the courts as lawyers. Then the distinction between patricians and plebeians disappeared from the law. So no, the first lawyers were hardly slaves. They were the upper class/cast in Roman society.
Robert Sanford The Romans relied on the Greek slaves when it came to things like this, as well as education. The Romans were more military minded, unlike the philosophical Greeks.
@@johnarbuckle2619 Those weren't the 'first lawyers'. The Persians had already formulated the lawyer to agent of law system centuries prior to the patricians in Rome.
@@saeedvazirian The persians were not the first either, the Sumarians were and they have the first written language and legal documents discovered predating the persians by over a thousand years
Antony looks like a little child intellectually compared to Cleo, one of my favorite scenes. "Eat shit and die"? Really Anthony is that the best you could come up with? lol
Can any historians tell me who that lady wearing white off to the right of Cleopatra is at 0:07? Her job and where did they get the idea from her outfit from?
Something I have noticed..... Anytime actors play Anthony and Cleopatra, the same ones actually get romantically involved with each other in real life 🤔
@MICHELLEGIBBONSx They weren't her plans in history. By that stage Rome was the dominant power in the Med. Any other power that still existed by this point were pretty much at Rome's mercy. When Antony went to Egypt, Cleopatra didn't have any choice and had to co-operate with him, just as she had with Caesar. It was ultimately Antony's plans that failed. And to say that everyone who fails is a fool isn't very fair. Hannibal failed and killed himself, but I wouldn't say he was a fool.
excuse me, but what???? Cleopatra was WHITE, because she waw half GREEK!!! and Greeks -as well as Egyptians in ancient times- were and still are white! nothing racist here! and if you still have any doubts, open an encyclopedia and you'll see we're right!!!
You're an idiot. Ancient Egyptians weren't and still arent white. They're arab looking brown to black. The ruling dynasty, Ptolomeic, were Greek like and whiter. Cleopatra was white. But the majority of Egyptians were and still are darker skinned. Certainly not white.
They had been ruling Egypt for 300 years, so they were just as Egyptian as I am American. And Cleopatra in particular made a major point of playing up her affiliation with native Egyptian culture and religion.
The circling around each other here is so well acted. I didn't realise that Cleopatra was played by the same actress who played the duplicious Lucy in Being Human.
I'm confused, Egypt guarantees ten shipments of grain a month, from which comes an additional payment from Egypt to Rome? How's it "from which" if its in addition to?
2:48. "Promise me one, long, deep, soft, kiss forever" perfect line. I like to think here they are actually referencing Shakespeare more than the real history.
This actress seems closest to Cleopatra. The coinage, her profile is so close. Keeping Egypt's economy strong, dealing with many Arab countries, not just Rome. She was a speaker of many languages, could negotiate and kept Egypt prosperous and powerful. But, her thirst for more territory reign, sadly her downfall. Octavian fought her, he saw her power and intellect, a formidable ally or enemy? Caeser and Antony saw the woman who could rule, non threatening, as women back then would have been in any high position. Octavian saw the ruler who was a woman. He was very wise not to have underestimated or taken her abilities and extreme intelligence for granted. He had Rome, his country he must protect, and gain the loyality of the people again. The grain shortages Egypt applied crippled Rome. I daresay he learned more from her prosperous reign and negotiations for her country's wealth than any man ruling at that time. She was the real threat. 1 bad choice, getting greedy and power hungry undoes the numerous great choices with one sharp sword to the neck...
@TheAlanakane, You're right the royal power was based on blood but it was Greek blood ruling Egyptian people. After Alexander the Great conquered Egypt and died, Egypt was left to Ptolemy to rule. Ptolemy the first was King in the Ptolemy dynasty and Cleopatra was the last in the dynasty and the last Pharaoh of Egypt. She was the first Ptolemy to speak and read Egyptian all other Ptolemy's remained very Greek. :)
I love how their business was conducted by their Greek Slaves.
Greek Scribes (many of them slaves) were the Email writing Laptops of the Roman Empire.
Cleopatra is also Greek by descent.
@@dibdap2373 Macedonian
@@kuko331 Macedonians were greeks
The Greeks were always the businessmen and negotiators. This trait of theirs, their ability to “make a deal”, would be one of the huge reasons why the eastern Roman (Greek speaking) empire lasted 1000 years after Rome fell. The Greeks had more tact than the Romans.
@@obiologo The macedonians were not greeks. They were on the border three point of Illyria, Thracia/Peonia and Hellas, these people were a mix. The greeks, in the documents that have survived to us, made a difference between them and greeks.
I love the negotiating part and how their advisors take over
I love how professional this bargain is
This is a fabulous series. The entire cast is every bit as good as the actors in this scene. Settings, costumes, script, everything was magnificent.
It is not permitted to touch.
Ya they sure lifted that policy a couple years later! 'It' ended up doing a whole lot of touching 🤣🤣🤣
@@kevina5337 Facts 😂😂...
"Your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal."
The delivery of that line is the main reason I keep rewatching this video.
steady as the priest of Saturn, me..... James Purefoy is gold in this scene
Also incredibly historically inaccurate. One of Octavian’s major grievances with Anthony was his acknowledgment of Ptolemy.
it's ok. :) .
@@amasion2882 you obviously haven't watched the show lol
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3:30 those are the most fucking powerful slaps I've ever seen in a movie.. damn, why did they stop this series !!!
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Poor actor LOL
Donations!! need more funds for it.
Man dat double slap was beautiful!
Cut the fucking racial arguments out of it, and let the fucking facts come into play. Cleopatra came from the Ptolemaic bloodline. Before Megas Alexandros conquered Egypt, the Nubians and Ethiopians held political dynasties in Egypt of their own. But Cleopatra was not African black. It's not racism, it's fact. Case closed.
^ truth. I wish a black producer would make their own movie and films about black culture, like Spike Lee did with malcolm X. That was a masterpiece, and there should be more like it.
she was Greek. but that is the age where Egypt got much weaker. Egypt was a world power for thousands of years until the rise of the Roman empire.
It does not matter if the pothlemies are greek or not, the Egyptians themselves are Caucasian - so why is there this ignorant debate going on?
Wandrative the ancient Egyptians were not Caucasian. They were Hamitic. They were the sons of Ham. Hamitic and Semitic civilizations have mixed though.
And for some reason you are saying that 'Hamites' aren't Caucasian? There are three Caucasian phylogenic branches: Indoeuropean (aka outdated term Aryan/Japethic), Semitic, and Afroasiatic (aka outdated term Hamitic). The Egyptians are Caucasian in every way.
Mark Antony is definitely my favourite character in Rome, he is so sexy, brave, funny and womanizer.. This scene is one of my favourite scenes especially when she slapped him and when he told her ''your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal'' James Purefoy should have an Emmy or this role but who appreciates this kind of actors , Emmys are so rediculous.
I'm related to this guy, the last name "Antonius" has evolved over the years and my last name deAntonio is one of the results
Michael deAntonio Then you must have a big family;) Actually so called the Julio-Claudian dynasty was formed by the descents of Livia, Octavia, and Antony. Antony had 8 legitimate children. The eldest Antonia Prima reigned in Cappadocia, her descents in Tracia, Armenia, Crimea, his and Cleopatra descents (3 children) reigned for years in what we call now Turkey and Caucassus. Antonia Minor -Younger was the mother of Emperor Claudius. Antonia Maior and minor became the grand and great mothers of Nero, Messalina, Caligulla. Although elder son called Antyllus was executed, the younger Jullus Antonius had many descents and spoiled a lot of Octavian’s blood having an affair with Octavian’s only daughter, Julia. Anyway, It seems that despite Octavian fuonded the Empire, it was ruled by Antony's descents. What an ironic twist of history;)
Michael deAntonio Cmon Kid, nobody cares and ya know that's crap
JJ Mäkelä Some people do care.
I care
Her dress, her gait, her manner of speech ... all are laid with purpose and deliberation. And to those who call Cleopatra "a bitch"... show some respect to a monarch of a great kingdom like Egypt. People often forget that Egypt was the breadbasket of Rome and without Egypt, Rome could not sustain herself.
@Gregory Smith I would argue that she had to do that to preserve her throne.
I don't see how what Cleo did to keep her throne, was any worse than anything Antony or Caesar did to keep power?
So what that they were married men? Both men also had a reputation for sleeping around, which was acceptable and even encouraged in Roman men.
Cleopatra had no husband she was cheating on; both men were her only known sexual partners, and she was loyal to both, and her union with both kept Egypt independent that much longer.
@Gregory Smith Agree with you about Claudius. He possibly used his cerebral palsy and stuttering to his advantage so his enemies underestimated him and probably survived longer as a result.
@Gregory Smith My favourite Roman emperor is Augustus as he was more consistent and intelligent than the ones that followed after him, excluding Claudius of course. He ruled for nearly 50 years, quite an accomplishment for a Roman leader. I think he's very underrated, especially his abilities as a political strategist. It's a curious twist of history that nowadays people tend to remember Caligula & Nero more for all their antics, insanity and ineptitude.
@Gregory Smith That's funny, the joke about Pannonia, considering what a vast area of land it was back then. Now it's about 8 different countries Austria, Hungary among them. Augustus only killed one of Mark Anthony's children. Marcus Antonius Antyllus was executed, perhaps due to personal quarrel... Who knows. Think Mark Anthony had 8 offspring in total.
Augustus spared his three nephews and nieces that Anthony had with Octavia, Augustus's elder sister. He killed Caesarion (alleged son of Julius Caesar) because according to Roman protocol, he was a threat.
It's a curious thing, after over 2000 years of Judeo-Christian monotheistic values, the rituals of Pagan Rome may appear barbaric and even sociopathic to us now. Yet they were Polytheists and followed very different ethics which many fail to comprehend due to monotheistic religious dogma.
I've always found Pagan Rome to be far more fascinating and multi faceted than Christian Rome. I often wonder what ancient Romans would make of our modern culture and customs. What would Roman soldiers and generals make of some of our modern leaders, like Trump?! If he can even be called a leader that is. With his juvenile tantrums, lack of military strategy and experience on the battlefield he certainly wouldn't have earned the trust of seasoned Roman soldiers.
Propaganda is a curious thing... In these surreal times we live in, the 1999 movie, The Matrix comes to mind. When Morpheus presents Nero with a choice : *"Will you choose the red pill or the blue pill?" The RED Pill is the path of Philosophy and Reasoning and Critical Thinking and Science and testing. The BLUE Pill is that of simple and uncritical belief and emotional decision making.* The question is even more more valid since the US 2020 elections! Except, post election - the colours are inverse..
She tagged him nice. I like how she led with the backhand. Pop! Pop! LOL
Excellent technique..after all, she's royalty 😂
Probably one of the most accurate theatrical depictions of Cleopatra.. she was definitely no damsel
True, but cleopatra wasn’t this bratty and flighty. This is actually one of the few scenes that I agree with when it comes to her in this series. This is scene very much cleopatra
James Purefoy's teeth can act.
Have to admire Cleopatra, she never looses her composure even though Anthony is really insulting her in the worst way.
Yes. Very opressive.
i love how its subtley done. the way he says 'gyptian' like 'gypo' when describing her. so subtle yet so offensive
"Your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal"
The most famous love affair in the Ancient World, everyone! Can't you just tell?
Ahaha
Many such cases
One nice touch I just noticed: At 3:42, I like the way she turns away from him, but she moves her shoulders first while keeping her face in his direction. It's different from most people, I think, who turn their heads first first and then their shoulders, or their heads and shoulders simultaneously. The way she does it looks a little flirtatious (picture how it would look from Antony's point of view). She even moves in a little closer before leaving.
That's an Alpha move for sure!
A small lady who can shows her dominance.
she's descended from Alexander the Great's general Ptolomey, who oddly enough, was from Greece/Macedonia
Your point being I'm just dying to know?
@@andrewforte3852 She wasnt Egyptian and even if she was she wouldnt be black
Just a fact i suppose, maybe some people don't know this@@andrewforte3852
shes macedonian greek. spend 5 mins on google and see her entire lineage since ptolemy.
Meat Ball true she is of Greek descent but.....that blood line is over a thousand years old. You mean to tell me her family picked up no tan in a thousand years?
The Ptolemies only ruled Egypt for almost three centuries not a millennium.
The Ptolemaic dynastic was also renowned for inbreeding. Tan yes, absolutely, but a Greek regardless.
They resided in the north of Egypt as did many Greek citizens in the time. They were tanned in the way that Mediterranean races are, the temperature and climate of northern Egypt is not significantly different to Greece, however it may still be slighter hotter than the Macedonian region of Greece to the north.
Calling Cleopatra Greek is about as accurate as calling John F. Kennedy British. She was of Macedonian descent but was very much an Egyptian.
The actress who plays her is really beautiful in this scene.
Why is James Purefoy always paired with bad women all the time in his shows?
Look at her profile at 3:09 she resembles the coins with Cleopatra's likeness that's either a coincidence or intentional.
@@carolinelynch2823 James Purefoy should've played James Bond back in the day he has that 007 swagger about him.
@@andrewforte3852 Why does he keep getting paired with femme fatal women/bad women half the time in his TV shows?
@@carolinelynch2823 Stipulated in his contract perhaps.
I use that "It is not permitted to touch" line all the time...
This show was boss. !!!! Such great actors ! James Purefoy is amazing all through this whole series .
I love the foreshadowing of Antony's comments on his disdain for ships. Yet it was a naval battle which sealed his ultimate defeat. Or his comment on the strangeness of an Egyptian queen marrying a Roman consul when that same thing happened with him and Cleopatra.
This is an absolutely brilliant scene: a confrontation between the most powerful woman in the world and the most powerful man.
He, an over-sexed, guff Roman general and she a sophisticated Egyptian Queen from an ancient dynasty. I love Cleopatra's voice, soft and methodical, assured and firm. She's completely unflappable and retains her regal dignity throughout the intense encounter.
But Ptolemaics were not very ancient. Their dynasty merely started after Alexander The Great's death.
@@miram.s.3602 The point is that she came from an ancient kingdom and although her dynasty itself may not have been as long as others, she inherited all of the glory of royalty from her predecessors, just like the Tudors, Stuarts or present day Windsors who inherited a thousand years of tradition from their predecessors.
@@rayarena879 I love how you replied to a reply to your eleven year old comment
She was the last scion of the empire created by conquests of Alexander and his undefeated army. With her death Hellenic period is considered to be over, because it was the last "Greek" kingdom surviving.
Ancient Greeks contribution to development of western civilization is obvious, so there is definetely something symbolic when their last kingdom finally ends up fully under Roman domination. At least that's how I liked to see it, though obviously things in real life are more blurred than what history books make it to be. It's not like Middle Ages magically began at 476 and everybody suddenly turned into feudal knights.
@@legrandboche712 I live by the old adage, "better late than never!" LOL. BTW, I was going to wait eleven years to answer you, but decided to answer sooner this time around!
“Your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal”
The delivery of that line… Jesus. Barely restrained lust drooling past gritted teeth. James Purefoy was born to play that character.
Not a very agreeable person
In terms of appearance, I don't think I've ever seen a more faithful representation of what the real Cleopatra looked like than in this very scene.
Young, caucasian, auburn hair, long nose, pretty but not conventionally beautiful.
Granted, the information we have on her looks is scarce but what we do have seems to paint her in this image.
Agreed. I’ve noticed lately African Americans now trying to claim Cleopatra was black as they are. They’ve done the same with Nefertiti and anyone else in history they feel like claiming. But she wouldn’t have been black at all... more like Italian in appearance. With fair skin.
@@becsocsci621 there was a few Nubian or kush pharaohs in Ancient Egypt. I disagree with their revisions of history, but it is obvious that Macedonian Egypt was greek
There is literally a bust of her
she wasn't as pretty as this actress
@@becsocsci621 Greek, not Italian. And there is some evidence to suggest that Ancient Egyptians were undoubtedly darker skinned. However, they weren't black. Ancient Egyptian art makes a clear distinction in skin color between themselves and actual black peoples such as the Nubians, Kushites and people of Punt.
I suspect Ancient Egyptians would have looked fairly similar to Egyptian people today, or similar to some modern day Somalis and many North Africans. Brown, not black.
@@becsocsci621 Egyptians up to and including Ramises III were almost certainly black. The period after around 1,700 BCE brought invasions from lighter skinned races to Egypt. Skin colour really wasn't a 'thing' to the Mediterranean races during this period. That obsession seems to be a very modern thing.
The way she dressed before Antony, was definitely enticing him beyond a normal deal
:It is not permitted to touch!"
LOL! Pure awsome.
Cleo: You don't get to touch me, ever.
MA: Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, Nobody!
Lol those questions Marc Antony is asking Cleopatra at the beginning...seems like he is trying to verify all the assumptions he has about her tastes when it comes to sex. And when he uses that paper to get some air at 1:22, he finds her smoking hot.
her dress is amazing! love the colour!
bahahah that slap was the best! I replayed it over and over. Awesome.
The actress that plays Cleopatra is FINE. Damn.
Mark Antony is being a badass as always.
Thanks for the clip!
She caused wars because of her beauty
@@itnotmeitu3896 She was never refrenced as beeing beautiful.
3:16 She was the most "cleopatrical" cleopatra ever seen on Screen or TV.....
Elizabeth Taylor though?
@@jordana.6874 Too much of an american countygirl...
@@TOFKAS01 Liz Taylor wasn't American.She was born in England.
@@jordana.6874 Love her, but for one she didn't really look like her, and I'm pretty sure Cleopatra didn't wore gold lame fabric. Not only that but despite the majority of hints towards her Hellenic heritage, her costumes in the movie are way too Egyptian(if that makes any sence ) .
This classic HBO series Rome centered around two characters Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo, who were real-life historical soldiers in Caesar's army while in Gaul whose very names are in his writings.
Throughout the series their misadventures involve them both unwittingly or inadvertently in the historical events that shaped Rome to ultimately to what it was destined to become an empire.
1:41 Slave VS slave
"promise one soft deep kiss forever"
A chaotic hedonistic, I would say.
I'm Black (biracial, actually) and even I'm offended by some of the things you are saying. Seriously...you give people of color an even worse reputation than what we already have. Enough is enough. And no, Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator was NOT Black, sub-Saharan descent. She was Greek of Macedonian descent. Her very name is Greek, literally translating to "Her Father's Greatest Blessing." She was a Ptolemy who were very xenophobic and did not believe in racial mixing.
Ptolemy Dynasty adapts the local tradition of marrying their offsprings to maintain the purity of the bloodline. So not so much xenophobia as against going out of the family. Cleopatra VII was technically married to her younger brothers (2 of them) while being a concubine to Caesar and Antony.
+Onyx Fire Not accepting someone because they are mixed? Sounds racist. There is no such thing as a pure anything anymore so we are all “mutts” including you.
Sadly, this type of discussion nearly always devolve into a "white vs Black" flame fest. No such thing as "races" and never were which makes all of us shades of brown.
Fabian Hale
How is that racist, moron? For one, he stated himself he was biracial. Last time I checked, biracial is an admixture of both races. Not just one.
Onyx Fire you do realize that just because you're black doesn't mean you can call anyone bi- racial a mutt, that's extremely racist
I know Marc Anthony was bricked up when she slapped him lmao
They are the best couple in all of history! greatest love story ever and the chemistry is off the charts! I miss Rome so much
Those were REAL SLAPS
When Cleo met Anthony, who treated her as a whore, it was clear to her that she can turn him round little finger. When she met Octavian, who treated her very politely, she knew instantly that all was lost...
caesarion was 17 years old then
Going through withdrawal pains after watching this masterpiece of a series. Now that GoT is in its last year, I wish they would revive this series, such a long history to cover that deserves more respect than just 2 seasons. Bring back as much of the original cast as possible. They were pure magic together.
I love you manly James.
That bitch slap of her at 3:28
I LIKE IT!
4:02 "Your son will eat shit and die before I make him legal."
3:09 Nice symbolism here
Their famous romantic relationship.
@Graham Johnson Mark Anthony represents rome, masculine, tall And strong. Cleopatra represents egypt, feminine, small And weak
Great scene - love the way she asks "have I seen you before?"
What does he whisper in her ear at 2:50?? "Promise me......"
"Promise me one hot, deep, soft kiss before I part."
(not 100% sure on the last part)
She was a descendant of one of Alexander the greats generals. She was from the Greek elite that ruled Egypt. She was very much European in her looks but she used her image differently in different cultures. When she was in Rome she would dress like a Roman to appeal to the Romans. When in Egypt she would dress like the goddess's people expected her to be..
Perfect acting ! Very authentic look !
This was such a good show! I own it!
The cast was perfect but that actress that played cleopatra was stunning 😍
Is Marc Antony wearing a Celtic torque?
Yes indeed, he is wearing a quite lovely Celtic torque!
No doubt taken from a Gallic chieftain he killed while fighting in Gaul!
@@SebAnders Haha yeah that's the kind of thing you wear PURELY so people snicker and ask you about it. Then you tell them where you got and how. :) SO M.A.!
I loved Cleopatra when she slapped Antony 😁
How I miss my beloved ROME!
SONG AT THE ENDING PLEASE ANYONE!!!
When I watched the episodes each week, the excitement and anticipation really built up as I waited to see what actor would play Cleopatra. All, ALL of the other casting was superb, and Lyndsey Marshall was outstanding as Cleopatra.
I love the design of this programme. Cleopatra's outfit for example - the Egyptian dress with the Roman/Greek hairstyle. Nice to see that they tried to make it authentic. :)
Best Cleopatra. No contest.
"Promise me... deep, soft... forever."
That's all I could understand.
Promise me one hot deep soft kiss forever
@@stormbringer2840 😡😠
Caroline Lynch Tell me it isn’t something marc Anthony would say.
@@stormbringer2840 And do.
@@brucetucker4847
That's too yes .
So the first lawyers were slave? How poetic....
Actually the first lawyers were Roman patricians. In the times of the monarchy they were the only ones that had political influence, could be heard in a court and could know the law (up until the very early republic the law was very secretive and exclusive).
So when a plebeian needed to complain or resolve some issue with the intervention of the law he needed the patronage of a patrician and he would be considered to be his "client" (That's when the term was coined).
All of these things changed in the Republican era when the plebeians gained a lot of power and recognition by the law and could, in fact, represent other roman citizens in the courts as lawyers. Then the distinction between patricians and plebeians disappeared from the law.
So no, the first lawyers were hardly slaves. They were the upper class/cast in Roman society.
Robert Sanford The Romans relied on the Greek slaves when it came to things like this, as well as education. The Romans were more military minded, unlike the philosophical Greeks.
@@johnarbuckle2619 Those weren't the 'first lawyers'. The Persians had already formulated the lawyer to agent of law system centuries prior to the patricians in Rome.
@@saeedvazirian The persians were not the first either, the Sumarians were and they have the first written language and legal documents discovered predating the persians by over a thousand years
Antony looks like a little child intellectually compared to Cleo, one of my favorite scenes. "Eat shit and die"? Really Anthony is that the best you could come up with? lol
Try reading some history. Cleopatra was the descendant of Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian general who served Alexander the Great.
Can any historians tell me who that lady wearing white off to the right of Cleopatra is at 0:07? Her job and where did they get the idea from her outfit from?
+WingsTM That is Kleopatra's chief handmaiden/slave Charmian. I can't explain her clothing.
That's Charmian, she was Cleopatra's body slave and advisor.
Whats the name of the soundtrack at the ending?
Something I have noticed..... Anytime actors play Anthony and Cleopatra, the same ones actually get romantically involved with each other in real life 🤔
4:03 one of my favorite quotes ever
Oh you show em Cleo!!!
Is it just me or does Lyndsey Marshal (Cleopatra) bare an uncanny resemblance to a young Carrie Fischer.
Dirtbag359 it’s just you
Dirtbag359 it’s just you.
Too bad the picture is squeezed. It's a good scene, though. Can somebody post a better version?
This man is the real deal...Mark Anthony for president!!!
I could watch Antony get slapped and visibly restrain himself from killing everyone there all day
Ahaha
Me too
@MICHELLEGIBBONSx They weren't her plans in history. By that stage Rome was the dominant power in the Med. Any other power that still existed by this point were pretty much at Rome's mercy. When Antony went to Egypt, Cleopatra didn't have any choice and had to co-operate with him, just as she had with Caesar. It was ultimately Antony's plans that failed.
And to say that everyone who fails is a fool isn't very fair. Hannibal failed and killed himself, but I wouldn't say he was a fool.
The slap heard across Egypt
Why not make a film series 3 and 4?
+Traian N it got too expensive, but somehow HBO has money for Doll 'Em. *sarcasm* glad to see they have their priorities straight -_-
Manificent remembrance of a theme that shall always fascinate.
Yeah right, like that would really happen
Im sure she liked him more: openly and directly shows his intends.
Except that in real life, when they met, Anthony was extremely polite.
According to historians, who are even bigger whores.
excuse me, but what???? Cleopatra was WHITE, because she waw half GREEK!!! and Greeks -as well as Egyptians in ancient times- were and still are white! nothing racist here! and if you still have any doubts, open an encyclopedia and you'll see we're right!!!
half? she was FULL Greek
+Michelino Sports Actually she did have minute Persian blood as well as the majority Greek.
You're an idiot. Ancient Egyptians weren't and still arent white. They're arab looking brown to black. The ruling dynasty, Ptolomeic, were Greek like and whiter. Cleopatra was white. But the majority of Egyptians were and still are darker skinned. Certainly not white.
Rams4life94 still they are caucasians so white
@@Rams4life94 The USA defines a white person as being from Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East.
Antony recognizing her son as Caesar's would have been a huge favor. Does anyone know what Antony asked for in return?
Cleopatra was of Greek heritage, being a descendent of Ptolemy, one of Alexander's generals.
What does Tony whisper to Cleo? I'm sure I get the gist of it... think I heard "one hour" and "soft"... anybody know the full question?
"Promise me one hot, deep, soft kiss forever"
Yeh ok kiddo
A royal player like Antony asked for a kiss.
unless the kiss is in his cock I don't see that romantic BS passing.
lol
@bookkeeper57 Not Seleucid Empire. She was the last of the Ptolemaic dynasty.
4:26 What weapons are those guards holding? I've never seen anything like that before.
Looks like machine guns to me
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces (actually where we get our word for fascist and fa**ot.)
She slapped the taste out of his mouth not once but twice. Go Cleo!!
yeah, he is!
How 42//lola see/feel it.
She wins
I suppose Marc Antony wants to be a eunuch too if he wants to touch Cleopatra that bad. Well, there's one good way that can be arranged. >:)
Love that the slaves are the ones negotiating.
1:03 there we go, again with that wrong common fact. Ptolemaics were not Egyptians. They were Greek, too. They just happened to rule Egypt.
They had been ruling Egypt for 300 years, so they were just as Egyptian as I am American. And Cleopatra in particular made a major point of playing up her affiliation with native Egyptian culture and religion.
The circling around each other here is so well acted. I didn't realise that Cleopatra was played by the same actress who played the duplicious Lucy in Being Human.
Does anyone know the name of the song at the ending?
I believe the music was written specifically for the show.
Yeah but it must have a soundtrack álbum so do you know the name of it?
If you go to IMDB on the Rome page you can find the information there.
Karol Zivkovic Jeff Beal is the autor but i belive that part is not in the OST, maybe in a expecial edition or somthing like that yo can found it
I'm confused, Egypt guarantees ten shipments of grain a month, from which comes an additional payment from Egypt to Rome? How's it "from which" if its in addition to?
2:48. "Promise me one, long, deep, soft, kiss forever" perfect line. I like to think here they are actually referencing Shakespeare more than the real history.
This actress seems closest to Cleopatra. The coinage, her profile is so close. Keeping Egypt's economy strong, dealing with many Arab countries, not just Rome. She was a speaker of many languages, could negotiate and kept Egypt prosperous and powerful.
But, her thirst for more territory reign, sadly her downfall. Octavian fought her, he saw her power and intellect, a formidable ally or enemy? Caeser and Antony saw the woman who could rule, non threatening, as women back then would have been in any high position. Octavian saw the ruler who was a woman. He was very wise not to have underestimated or taken her abilities and extreme intelligence for granted. He had Rome, his country he must protect, and gain the loyality of the people again. The grain shortages Egypt applied crippled Rome. I daresay he learned more from her prosperous reign and negotiations for her country's wealth than any man ruling at that time. She was the real threat. 1 bad choice, getting greedy and power hungry undoes the numerous great choices with one sharp sword to the neck...
Since when did Kleopatra ever deal with Arab nations.
She traded with Arab countries successfully, which made Egypt's wealth and economy strong.
Amazing series!
@TheAlanakane, You're right the royal power was based on blood but it was Greek blood ruling Egyptian people. After Alexander the Great conquered Egypt and died, Egypt was left to Ptolemy to rule. Ptolemy the first was King in the Ptolemy dynasty and Cleopatra was the last in the dynasty and the last Pharaoh of Egypt. She was the first Ptolemy to speak and read Egyptian all other Ptolemy's remained very Greek. :)
I love her dress.