Rome: Octavian Vs. the Senate
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2007
- Having used Cicero's influence within the Senate to gain Consulship of Rome, Octavian makes a shocking announcement... Great scene.
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Cicero: "The Senate will decide your fate."
Octavian: "I am the Senate."
Cicero: "Not yet"
Mao Octavian: Its treason then... *Pulls out a peach hungry Titus Pullo*
*autistic screeching*
Aaaarrrrggghhhh!!!
Octavian: *"It's TREASON, then."*
The whole senate: Caesar is a tyrant!
Octavian: Let me introduce myself
I mean, he wasn't a tyrant though. Neither were. Just because they were labelled as such by pompous patrician's who wanted to keep the power amongst the elite and noble families (which is an oligarchy where the general people have no say whatsoever) doesn't mean they were. Both men were for the people, not the senate. That's what made them extremely dangerous. If you have the peoples vote of confidence (which both men did), you're no tyrant.
A tyrant would be if the people were forced to follow a ruler who they disliked. The people loved Octavian and Julius.
@@MCshadr217 I mean, Caesar was a monster, responsible for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent deaths in Gaul, illegal even by Rome's standards
@@MCshadr217 idk. Caesar was treading those waters when he started portraying himself as a god and even had a cult start a religion about him. He seemed to had started letting the power and success get to his head.
@@override367 Cringe take, VAE VICTIS
@@MCshadr217 You make a nice Biden voter
"Step away from my chair" in that second an Empire is born
Technically, the second he stepped away from the chair it was born. Something can not be done against another, unless the other allows it.
great man
@@simonpeter5032 Cicero would've been arrested and humiliated and possibly done away with even sooner. The Republic would've lasted all but the seconds it took for him to be hauled out by Roman soldiers.
8bit UnknownError he could’ve been a martyr signifying the death of the republic, so the senate didn’t have to exist for another thousand years as a placeholder for the aristocracy.
@@simonpeter5032 conceded, good point.
"You bring knives into the senate, I bring swords."
Thats bold considering that swords were banned in whole city.
Even brutus used dagger or pugio.
@@dinoXAs2 A lesson to learn about "assault weapon bans": most gun crime is committed with easily obtained, simple firearms rather than the high-res stuff.
He actually used a sharpened stylus (these wpuld have been brass IIRC).
It’s why arms control is such a silly concept: if soneone wants another dead, then anything can be a weapon.
@@Albukhshi There's a strong correlation between banning guns and people suddenly being very bad drivers.
@@dinoXAs2 weapons were banned not just swords. They smuggled the daggers into the senate. Historia Civilis has a great video on the assassination of Caesar.
I have altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it further.
+Elias Aitenza This deal is getting worse all the time...
@@Agent1W
Perhaps you think you are treated unfairly ?
@@stormbringer2840 No, but you said you'd leave the Senate under my supervision!
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did Darth Vader say this... its jist a hunch but i feel he said this
Agent1W , furthermore, I wish you to wear this dress and bonnet.
"Octavian played the game of thrones, and he won"
no...
He made the throne
He's basically Aegon
@@RafaelAlmeida-uy8zd A Real argon I may add
*Argon
Argon*
Shit I can't put AeGon properly e
"This is not what we agreed!"
-"It is not, yet here we are."
Goosebumps every time.
"It is not, nevertheless here we are"
If you're gonna use quotes you have to write the exact words you dumb ass.
@@DaBeezKneez if you are gonna correct someone something,you must be polite human..
@@nuzza4432 whatever
lereddit armie best lines of the show.
Chilling
I love Octavian's three lines:
"Nevertheless, here we are", "Step away from my chair" & "Who will speak against the motion". Portrays his sheer confidance in what he believed was the right course of action.
The way it should be
Tyrants are often so.
While Octavian was in Greece he studied astronomy which he used to great effect when he returned to Rome. He proposed a three day mourning period for Julius Caesar and on the the third day a comet appeared in the sky, which he knew would happen. He then claimed that the comet was his adopted father, ascending to the heavens. With the power he held, which was basically total power, nobody could disprove him. And just like that, he was the principal Roman senator and the son of a God. Where he lacked in his military prowess, compared to his father, he more than made up for in intelligence and cunning. It's no wonder he started the Roman Empire, the dude was a fuckin genius..
He didn't start the empire you fucking idiot.
I think he meant as the end of the Roman Republic and a new era of Augustus as the first Roman Emperor
@@amenthegreat3761 He was the first Emperor. Just because 'Empire' is a general term for large territorial states doesn't mean that before the Principate Rome was already an Empire. Some structures were there, some had yet to develop.
Well, to be fair, he had Agrippa. Octavian could focus on his strengths while his homeboi focused on the asskicking.
Knightly Light Yes he did. He was the first emperor, he’s the one who transformed the failing republic into a prosperous empire.
The Roman Senate found out the hard way that Octavian is the worst kind of enemy to have: Ingenious and ruthless.
Ingenious is one word by the way. Sorry
Prime Carrot yo
Tywins perfect son
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw Tywin Lannister would've happily dug his own grave for a son like him.
2:09 In that moment, he realized he fucked up
Augustus: "Who will speak against the motion?"
Me: *Accidentally coughs*
Augustus: "Well looks like we got ourselves a trouble maker"
Lmao.. Oh dear.
hahaha run
Lol it's like a massive belch rings throughout the Senate after he says that
Kamp Krusty ? Lol
@@jimmy2k4o Glad someone got the reference 😂
The young man who plays octavian does a great job in this scene. Formidable. Eyes like lasers.
Simon Woods is the name of this actor. He did a superb job in Rome!
That actually really stood out to me. Octavian was described by his contemporaries as being of ordinary appearance, except for his eyes. His gaze was said to pierce the soul.
@@MiguelAlejandroVF He really does look a lot like his depiction in busts
@@MiguelAlejandroVF The "soul-piercing" gaze is a reliable indicator of very high IQ. There's been research published on the relationship between IQ and the eyes. It appears that people with high IQ have eyes that are literally brighter, and they appear to be looking into you, rather than at you.
he made him look like a predator very cold and confident in his power
He taught those old fools a good lesson. They brought knives in the senate, he brought swords. They started it.
How many of the senators in attendance actually took part in Caesar's assassination? The big ones like Brutus and Cassius left Rome.
@@jaketheberge1970 Not all of them, but how many of those who did not take part ever lifted a finger to try and stop the attack, or condemn it afterwards? They are guilty by association.
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer 60 conspirators. Usually 600-900 senators. The day Ceasar was assasinated only 300 Senators were present. But we only know of 2 Senators for certain that tried to help Ceasar amd rushed forward to help him. But the other senator held him back.
Decimus was the biggest sell out of them all.
Military dictator at age 18. Now that's admirable.
and yet, as with everything else any man could ever do in life, his deeds pale in comparison to Alexander.
Everything Alexander gained was quickly lost after his death.
Half of his empire would eventually end up belonging to Rome (Macedonia and Egypt, with the Seleucid territory eventually falling to the Parthians).
Augustus on the other hand, ruled Rome for 44 yrs, and left a legacy that lasted for centuries.
Yes, Alexander was an unparalleled military genius, but he, like so many other brilliant leaders (Napoleon, Julius Caesar, etc)
flamed out early. They burned bright and then their flame went out.
Augustus was great not because he was a brilliant warlord (he wasn't), but because he was one of those rare leaders who steadily got better over time.
He ruled for 44 yrs until his death at the age of 77. 3 generations of Romans were born and grew up knowing no other government except Augustus'.
He ended all major wars, cut military spending in half, and then ushered in a new era of peace and prosperity that would last 200 years.
Alexander never achieved anything like that.
Alexander could beat anyone in battle, but as a ruler, he doesn't even come close to Augustus.
The 8th month of our calendar year is called August, not Alex. Think about it.
Cheers.
quite right in all of that, there's just something people find sexier or more memorable about the conquering rather than the dull affair of governance
roman civil wars were not dull affairs
He wasn't that great as a general, though. What he had was an outstanding political talent coupled with inherited influence from Julius Caesar.
Cicero: This is not what we agreed.
Octavian: It is not. *Nevertheless here we are.*
Genius.
I could've watched 10 more seasons of Octavian kicking ass.
I agree, it’s such a shame that they brought it to a rushed end.
Agreed, although don't know if he kicked ass like Julius Caesar did. Octavian did lose 3 legions in Germany.
@@RobertWF42 Well technically it wasn't Octavian, it was Quintilus Varus
Augustus Caesar is literally Mark Zuckerberg's idol and role model.
@@Ken_Scaletta Is that true? Genuinely, I'm curious because I don't know. If so that's fascinating and eye-opening. And honestly not that surprising
'Step away from my chair...'
Luiz Felipe Waitz That was the sound of the nail in the coffin that was the Republican Senate. From that moment on, any notions that the Senate was an equal to Octavian was dissolved.
Loved that line so much and his face Jesus
Okay...
an imperial ambition detected....
and as we all know it, caeser was an ambitous man
"The Republic shall be reorganized into the first Roman Empire, for a Safe and Secure Society." Gaius Octavian Caesar.
Except Augustus was actually a good and sensible emperor
@@cristhianramirez6939 he also didn t take the title of emperor, he took like a million of titles but not the emperor one lol
@@csarlopezWhen you have the power, the title is not important
The Senate greatly underestimated Augustus. They thought he was an easily manipulated boy, whose only significant feature was his inherited name.
In reality he was a shrewd, iron-willed man, with talented allies, and a willingness to go to extreme lengths to get what he wanted that even Caesar lacked. Caesar NEVER marched soldiers into The Senate to force the senators to approve his motions, but Augustus was willing to go that far.
Caesar wanted to keep the republic but unfortunately the bureaucracy was massively corrupt and parasitic so serious oversight was needed. That had to come in the form of dictatorial application.
The irony when the senators wanted to get rid of tyranny, but what they did actually sped it up.
There’s a scene in this show which I think portrays it well, I believe it was Cicero who was saying that Antony and Octavian would fight, but Octavian couldn’t possibly win, and his wife said she thought he had a chance because there must have been something about him that made Caesar choose him as his heir. It may even be that Caesar knew Octavian would be even more skilled and ruthless, and he chose him as his heir as an insurance policy to ensure revenge if he was ever betrayed. Whether he was chosen for revenge or leadership, defeating the remaining Pompeians and Antony and ruling over Rome for over 40 years shows the wisdom of Caesar’s choice. If there is an afterlife, that must have been an incredible reunion, the man who had conquered so much, meeting his protege who built an empire.
Caesar tried to save the republic, his murder killed it.
Octavian, Anthony, Sextus Pompey, and the Optimates merely raped a corpse that Lepidus tried in tragic vain to save.
Which is just sad because Caesar knew damn well what the Gracchi brothers went through to pass laws similar to what got Caesar killed. Caesar was too proud of himself and thought himself invincible - or just had a really, really bad day.
Cicero, the greatest orator and one of the greatest minds out smarted by a child. Alexander may have conquered an empire as a child, but augustus talked and maneuvered his way into founding one.
2 of the most brilliant men to ever live.
Octavian also conquered more territory in the Civil War, than Alexander ever did
No offence to Alexander's achievements
Alexander died at 32. Octavisn at 75 lmao
@@danielcarloshidalgotang5615 are you under the impression that only at the age of 75 Augustus attained power? Just because someone dies at an old age that doesn't mean they weren't already accomplished in their youth. That's not even an argument. That's like saying well Aretha Franklin died at an old age so she couldn't have been a famous musician when she was young. If you weren't aware, Augustus was initiated into the senate and became Consul at the age of 20. Of course, Alexander was the superior general, but Augustus was the superior politician. Alexander's empire lasted for about a decade, Augustus founded an empire that lasted a millenia and a half.
@@danielcarloshidalgotang5615 Octavian subdued the entire Mediterranean, in roughly the same time that Alexander took to conquer Persia
This show needs a re-awakening.
'Rome' is quite possibly the best 2 seasons of any show anybody has ever witnessed on a TV screen.
Can you believe 8 people didn't like this scene?
*****
Not even close Skippy..It may have been if HBO aired it first.
***** Nah. "Vikings" is just as impressive, if not more so, than "Rome" was. This coming from a stickler for historical accuracy, mind you.
I don't think The Vikings - which was fun and a good action Movie - can be compared to Rome.
Cy clennon
What a idea to compare Rome to Vikings? Ok, may be it is accurate but it is far more easy to built a few shacks and huts and fill the action with a gore, than to build the whole city and remind accurate with every detail. Rome was civilization. Bring back ROME!
“Honest men”
Senate: *applause*
“Including you guys”
Senate: *panic*
Outside the chamber his legionnaires are like
“No no we have to wait for him to say the line “
Loool hahahajaja 😭😂😂😂😂
The codeword was clearly "legions" which was emphasized so you could hear it in the back.
Those four-six veterans could've easily butchered all those old farts by themselves so it's likely they were all there.
Cicero: "many gave their lives so that we may stand here again united in a LAWFUL republic"
Octavian: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
Cicero was all about principles, he dovoted his life to saving the republic.
Octavian was about leadership
@@DaBeezKneez Well, in many cases that is true, but that foolish man was in the conspiracy to kill Julius Caesar which didn't end a so called, "tyrant," but led to a new one.
@@DaBeezKneez No he wasn't. Cicero was a parasite who got to where he got by greasing the aristocracy, he had no problem with illegal executions nor did he care about the law, something he proved when he illegally executed the senators supporting Catiline to please the optimates (while Caesar advocated life imprisonment). Politics in Rome were always about the aristocracy vs the plebeians, everything else was bullshit rhetoric like it is today.
And his life.
@@MaRaX93 What an incredibly uninformed pile of letters. Ciceros rise to power was quite an admirable piece of work. He did not have the money to "grease the aristocracy". Yes, after marrying Terentia he had some money, but barely enough to afford running for consul. On the way to get there he prosecuted the corrupt propraetor of Sicily, Gaius Verres, and defeated Rome' s most famous lawyer in this legal case.
Executing the heads of the Catilinarian conspiracy was unlawful even back then, yes, but these guys were terrorists. They were comparable to the 30 tyrants of Athens. Cicero only had the 1 year of his turn as a consul. After this, the supporters of Catilina would have gotten him and his followers out of prison and back into the game. If you think that this case against Catilina was in any way near to modern legal disputes... this republic relied much havier on face-to-face relations and Catilina was a face that could have become a second Sulla, just without principles. Because unless the Gracchi, Catilina didn't do all this to make common people's lives better - it was just his personal vanity.
Welcome to the Principate, esteemed senators.
Yes, but as usually for any show, need good promoter Team, need a dedicated producer Team, if can, with same Actor and Actress, if can still the HBO, and all of that need more money.
@@Cleeon What are you on about?
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer He interpreted "Welcome to the Principate" as being a slugline should the show come back, Season 3 beginning in the "Principate Period" (i.e. Imperial era).
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer I believe he meant to reply to the post that said "this show needs a reawakening"
@@pizzaface117 oh yeah? Wait for the dominate era. Much more authoritarian than the principate era.
this is a good portrayal. augustus was always characterised as handsome, intelligent, calculating, ruthless and ten steps ahead. while he lacked julius charisma he inspired much more fear than his predecessor
Octavian: "28 STABS WOUNDS!"
Legionnaire: *Whispers*
Octavian: "27 STABS WOUNDS!"
Humanity
Rome: Become Human
Thought it was actually 23
More like Rome: Become Ceaser. Or perhaps it's Rome: Become Tyrant? 😆
Octavian knows how the game of thrones works.
Octavian would have ascended the iron throne in a couple of seasons if you fancy a crossover multi universe scenario
FJ Risco in a season really.
@@fjr4997 Depends which westeros it was. He would be seriously challenged in Martin's westeros, but the characters in Dumb and Dumber's Westeros couldnt scheme for shit
Now I would pay money to see him and Tywin duke it out.
But the real question is this. What the hell was Julius Caesar doing beyond the wall and did Octavian care when Brutus was effectively held prisoner by Walder Frey?
The Pax Romana was thanks to Octavian. He was hands down the best Roman Emperor ever.
Yep.
He was certainly one of the greats. He had the good foundations laid down by Caesar, and the wealth of Rome to help stabilise his power base. He merely had to route out political opposition and those who might become a standard against him.
Personally, I think Vespasian was at least as good an emperor as Augustus, though.
Anglomachian
Vespasian, Hadrian, Trajan, Tiberius, and Marcus Aurelius. All amazing Emperors.
Bloody & Evil Pax Romana
***** Hadrian and Trajan were gay, they liked the young boys (and Alexander the Great too), and Tiberius was the Stalin of the ancient times, he was a pedophile and in his last years he killed a lot of people advised by Seianus, the Lavrenti Beria of the 1st century. He killed a lot of people in his Capri castle, he threw them from the top of his castle direct to the sea, and he abused of childs in that castle. That's the real history, and not that romantic shit in what you believe. They all were evil dictators. Caligula & Nero were mentally mad.
Augustus Caesar was perhaps one of the best and most intelligent figures of the Roman Empire. His rise to power was done with masterful tactics and strategy.
5Mariner He was close to losing quite a few times. He wasn't a master manipulator and political genius until later in his life after he learned from various experiences.
man I love Octavian but let's be real,how politicaly sharp was he really when he commanded the roman army,his bodyguards and an unnamed praetorian guuard.
And he ruled for more than 40 years in what became known as Rome's Golden Age Until his seath by old age in his 70s.
I agree with everything you say. Augustus, Diocletian and Trajan are the three best in Rome's history and I find arguments for each of them over the other. But in my opinion we have to give props to the greatest wingman of all time, who won all of Augustus' battles and was one of the biggest reasons for him being able to gain absolute power, Marcus Agrippa. One of the greatest and most underrated military leaders of all time.
But was a bad father and his offsprings almost destroyed what he built
Octavian: “The attempt on my father’s life has left me scarred... and deformed.”
lol. when Octavian begins speaking you can hear the quotation marks around.."ESTEEMED" senators......
Actually Octavian was one of the better Roman Emperors. The Empire had about forty years of peace after he began to rule.
Not to mention he rebuilt the city and had Agrippa modernize the sewers on potable ater supply.
He wasn't one of the best, he was the best.
Yeah, I feel he was probably the best with Trajan being a close second. Fair or not, he is to overshadowed in history by Julius Caesar. I feel they were two totally different rulers.
hunrb27 How was Trajan the second best? He was just fortunate to inherit the Empire when it was at its strongest, and then used its unlimited resources to crush its enemies.
Clint Young try 200
"Step away from my chair!"
You must be proud
Order 66
No. That would come later, when the Second Triumvirate has their enemies murdered.
Except that Augustus wasn't a cunt like the Emperor Palpatine was.
I AM the senate!
Cuuute....
Its treason then.
"Step away from my chair". Classic.
I would pay all kinds of money if this show was to be dubbed in Latin.
+Christopher Lokey
The nobility of Rome spoke Greek, not Latin.
+thestranger4812 They spoke both actually. Just as how most of the world speaks English.
+MrAwrsomeness They preferred to speak in Greek most of the time.
thestranger4812 You making no sense, why would the nobility of Rome speak Greek, when it’s a Roman world , where did you get this silly notion from.
@@FAMA-18 Greek was the international language of the empire (a bit like english right now, or french during the 18-19th century)
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he was only 18 years old at that time
The senate probably regretted making it's one time exception in age.
That is not how Roman politics worked. You had to be something like 40 years old to be consul. To be Quaestor, the lowest ranking high position, you had to be 30. So him doing this at 18 and even more so having the political skills to play the game of politics in Rome was amazing. He was a political genius, clearly having picked up some of these skills from him uncle/adopted father Julius. Look up Cursus_honorum on Wiki to read up on it more.
+Eren Jäger that´s a common myth people believe about those times. People did not die young usually but there was high infant mortality which brought the average age down. If you survived your early teens, you will probably grow to a normal old age.
@@hazzmati it's not necessarily a myth, but noblemen who had more secure lives were living into ages of death comparable to modern standards as long as they kept relatively healthy lifestyles. The misconception is because there have been periods of epidemics and plague breakouts were lifespans were shorter even for people of higher birth, however these were rarer in this time it was due to certain events much later down the road that such epidemics became recurrent and really problematic.
I think wealthy Romans lived to a good age.
"You think a crown gives you power?" "No I think army's give you power"
Wise dwarf
@@khalilelfakhri8243 *half-man
@@DutchGuyMike I love that nickname 😂
@@khalilelfakhri8243 I loved it when Shaggas started shouting "Half-Man!" whilst slamming his double-bladed black steel axes against each other after Tyrion delivered his speech before the battle. Or when Joffrey says the Hound could cut him in half to which Tyrion says "That would make me the quarter-man.. just doesn't have the same ring to it." lol :D
The look on Cicero's face when he realizes what type of person he's dealing with in Octavian is gold.
it's the same look I saw from Alan Bates's character Antonius Agrippa when he realized Julius Caesar is the real beneficiary after he proposed that both Marcus Licinius Crassus and Pompey be made Consuls in the 2004 adaption of Spartacus.
Cicero: "This isn't what we agreed on"
Octavian: "Step away from my chair, let the legions come in"
Cicero: **GULP**
"Step away from my chair"
Oh dayum we got a boy livin' the thug lyfe over here LOL
TRUE!!!!
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TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
Cicero made a big mistake when he started to say to Octavian “My dear BOY...”
Cicero got played HARD. Damn this scene is awesome.
"Step away from my chair"
When you are gaming and your little brother starts to annoy you
this scene is epic
"Who will speak against the motion"
Gaius Octavius Caesar Augustus
First and the Greatest Emperor of Rome
Its sad when searching for Octavian you'll get some forgetable rapper first before the actual Octavian.
Seems to happen with a lot of people. Trying to look for an actual cool person and end up on some wannabe gangsters page
lol true
"Step away from my chair..."
*It was at this moment Cicero knew...He fucked up.*
Cicero: “I gave you my support.”
Octavian: “And this gives you power over me?”
Octavian was the smartest man of classical Rome. He managed to create the autocratic regime desired by many, even by Caesar, and never achieved. Maneuvered between the patricians and convinced them to the evidence that the power would stay with the one that had reached the popular support. Won the aristocracy and kept the best of the Republic with the support of the population. A genius.
Look how much he's disgusted by all those who stand there, before him; his father's avenger and heir. Go Augustus!
Octavian: "Cassius and Brutus are now enemies of the Empi....I mean Republic!"
Senators: "No, they are not! And you cannot command us what to do!"
Octavian: 😡
Senators: 😐
Octavian: "So be it...."
*Writes proscriptions* 😏
2:32 The moment Cicero realized what he's truly dealing with,
people who never saw this series should check it out, its only 2 seasons, but its in my top 3 of HBO series ever with sopranos and game of thrones
+1000
agree
Yeah but they changed many things from the real history, i think becasue they wanted to do a more exciting show.
OneHundredPoints Actually it was history itself, that was much more exciting and equally much much more complicated. This period in history is extremely well documented, both by victors, and by their counterparts. So, i think, history must have been cut to measure for tv. If they wanted to make the show historically totally accurate, it would be a mix of parliament debates with "bold and beautiful " in sandals and floating in the sea of blood. just my oppinion;)
Isabella H I like this show and i even have the Blu ray collection, and i tell you, that they changed many things that weren't truth but, of course, after all, TV is fiction.
Step away from my chair ~ Augustus 👊
Wow, that's Democracy. Hail Caius Octavian Ceasar
Democracy??????????wut
Manelele este viata mea Irony? Never heard of it?
and after all Octavian was a genius
AlessioPCM was thinking about being sarcastic but not entirely sure as there are many specimens out there in the comment sections which are plain brick heads.
Hail Caius Octavian Caesar!
democracy is just an illusion you can wipe your ass with it
AlessioPCM+ Are you that delusional?
When Octavian brought in leagioneers instead of his legally acceptable lictors, that lets the rest of the senators know there's no turning back. Technically speaking, weapons are not allow inside the pomerium. And your position within the Senate is dictate by how many lictors you are legally allowed to have present (as consul, he's allowed 12).
but the situation was exeptional, in those time, consul can be murder in the senate, he would be fool to not protect himself when proposing a really controversial motion.
''The Republic will be reorganized into the FIRST ROMAN EMPIRE! For a safe and secure....society!"
When he said "Step away from my chair". lollllll... GF...
*Swords partially unsheathed.*
"Who will speak against the motion?"
That silence marks a pivotal turn in history.
Octavian actually had a buffett of atrocities handed to him by the history of the last 100 years: Slaughtering political opponents, proscribing and purging for whatever cause, hiding it all behind a thin cloak of legality - Rome has been there often than enough. But there was one lesson that neither the murderers of the Gracchi nor Sulla or Caesar had learned: If you break rules while fighting your enemies - make sure they don't stand up again, because they will mirror what you've done to them.
And this is was Octavian did right within all of his wrongdoing: When he layed down the weapons there was nobody left to oppose him. No clementia for influential enemies like from Caesar, no retreating from (factual) monarchy like Sulla naivly did: He pulled it through until the very end and went further - by creating a new foundation of power that was more fitting to the changed needs of the grown Roman Empire.
Sulla learned it - he died of natural causes having murdered everyone who might have had any thought of getting revenge. But he never really had any thought of founding a new political system.
@@brucetucker4847 That's because he cared more about military matters than politics. it's the reason he worked hard that resulted in him being awarded the Grass Crown, which is the Roman Army's highest military honor. He knew many in the Senate were pampered fools who never experienced real hardships, sat on a horse's back, and walked on their feet due to be carried on their "litters" when going outside.
2:35 That awkward feeling when you realize that you have been used. :)
Michael96 Lol😂
just the fact he managed to get armed men into the pomerium already shows you how far the republic had already fallen by this point lol, not sure if this actually happened but if it did the republic had already died long before this lol
The republic was doomed with the creation of the first triumvirate and possibly as early as the time of Sulla. Definitely by the time Caesar crossed the rubicon.
@@ottovonbismarck1352 legions being loyal to generals and governors is what doomed the republic and even the empire later on. the legions being loyal to individuals pretty much guaranteed constant civil wars
Its was pretty much dead by the time of sulla. Ceasars civil war and the second triumvirate was simply the killing blow.
AAGHHH LIQUIIIID!
The Republic died when the Senate ordered the deaths of the Gracchi Brothers. It was the event that started the trend of powerful people killing their political enemies. Caesar could have been the key to stopping the trend by example; he pardoned his political enemies unlike his predecessors. But the Senate just had to shoot themselves in the foot by assassinating him.
This is a most powerful and memorable speech from Octavian, calling out his enemies who played an integral role in his father's conspiracy.
Octavian: One more thing, from now on we'll all speak Latin.
Ok. Ego sum Latine loqui. Et hoc ostendit per viam, British American TV series est. Per viam. 'Quintilius Vare, legiones redde! "
The look on Cicero's face when he gets put in his place...And that, children, is when the name Caesar became more than a name.
Octavius was a political genius, the best ever
"Who will speak against the motion"?
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This is a scene done brilliantly by a masterful timing and strategy. As Augustus Caesar himself said "Make Haste Slowly". A perfect control.
"Rome, shall be again as she once was. A proud Republic, of virtuous women and Honest men." The only thing that can save America.
I am the senate!
Not Yet
It's treason then?
Centurion ”My blades are ready”
It is crazy that they killed ceaser and not one of them took time to think what could happen I mean that one act doomed there republic a republic that was already near death from ceaser
But they didn't get away w/ it!
badassest coup ever made in the Earth!!
Who will speak against the motion? Is there no one else?
No one dare to because the response is blades
Haha, Brad Pitt's Troy!
@@chains2660 that is the 'motion'
Today in about 100 or a few days from now :- US senate 2156 A.D
Who will speak against the motion
Seneteors:-S
Soldiers with Guns march in with Tanks
Dear Octavian,
A bit belated, but here we are anyway, almost 2000 years after your death we are still remembering and debating about you.
Thank you very much for bringing us the light of peace and tolerance. Without the latter the rule of law cannot exist and you showed us and many generations after you death the way to do this. You were certainly not perfect, but for a child of your times you set a standard for morality and civility, a legacy which endures to this day!
VICTORIA AVG!
Peace and tolerance? Lol, he was a dictator...
+OneHundredPoints He brought about the Pax Romana, two centuries of unprecedented peace and prosperity, and built a political system that lasted for 1500 in one form or another. So I think it's fair to credit him for those things.
Sloth from The Goonies Do you have evidence that he didn't (hint, no, thus rhetoric). Point was that it's kinda weird how the op was talking about 'peace' when the video depicts a coup.
Ryan Dong
He was a dictator. But I must admit that Marc Anthony was a worse tyrant.
OneHundredPoints The words dictator and tyrant are not necessarily interchangeable. He may have been authoritarian, but he did more to bring lasting piece to Rome than any Roman before or since.
"Step away from my chair."
"Who will speak against the motion?"
Say about octavian what you want but he literally brought ages of peace and stability after he dealt with the murderers of his father.
This kid who plays Octavian is absolutely perfect.
Aside from being the first Emperor of Rome, Octavian was also elected as the youngest Consul in the history of the republic at the age of 20 after the incumbent Consuls, Hirtius and Pansa, were killed in battle against Mark Antony. He had sided with the Senate for the time being as his political position was still precarious in the wake of Julius Caesar's murder.
Cicero had probably thought that he could manipulate the young Octavian into the Optimates faction and turn him against Antony and other Caesarians. But this scene would prove him wrong.....
42 BC meet 2021 AD lol here we go again!
Octavian WAS A COLD HIGH INTELLIGENCE... this is perfect actor for the job. Just look at his eyes while he speaks... it's like you look at a shark with brain of human. Octavian was first and THE BEST Roman emperor, but Empire failed... because individuals like Octavian are exceptions to a rule, and rule is: dictators are/were IDIOTS.... This was GREAT SCENE.
Empire failed? The Roman Empire lasted for 1500 years, until the fall of Constantinople in 1453. Let's see how long our modern day Democracies survive.
Sloth from The Goonies
you cannot count Byzantines as Roman Empire.
***** you cannot count the Eastern Roman Empire as a Roman Empire, how does that work out?
Lotak Smith He won't reply as he doesn't have anything with which to substantiate his claims. The fact is that the term "Byzantine" didn't even exist until 100 years after to fall of Constantinople.
***** The Byzantines flew "For the Senate and People of Rome" all the way until their downfall.
Cicero: This isn't what we agreed upon, boy
Octavian: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
television literally does not get better than this.
Caesar Augustus. The Golden Age of Rome. SPQR eagle 🦅
My favorite scene in the series. Sends shivers up you spine. An epic moment.
"Okay, when I mention the legions, you guys come out and grab your swords. That'll be awesome."
Electrifying theme, superb portrayal, never boring Rome.
This was a boss move
Augustus is brilliant. I love this British take on his character.
rixille Actually it's a mixed British and American production
I have actually always pictured Octavion as being even colder and more forceful than portrayed here. My image of him is that he was determined from the very beginning to put an end to the civil wars and completely reunify the the nations under Rome's control by any means possible. And I picture him as having felt his uncle made a mistake by allowing certain people to live so they could make trouble for him again later on-so he intended to simply do away with them altogether and be done with it.
This show deserved so much more than two seasons, the casting was perfect. The best show about Rome since Anno Domini 40 years ago. This scene was epic.
Yeah.. I wish it had at least 3 seasons.
Well played young man, well played.
Caesar Augustus the Golden Age of Rome. SPQR🦅
This was a pivotal moment. The way Octavian's eyes flickered at 2:40 shows that he knew he didn't have the control of the Senate - if Cicero stood up to him, he would immediately lose the backing of the Roman elite, and with Marc Anthony still in the north and Brutus and Cassius in Greece, Octavian was in no position to make new enemies. Octavian was projecting strength and Cicero was duped.
It still gives me chills in 2021. I absolutely loved this show
That look on Cicero's face "I cannot control this 'boy'"
Ive been reading thru this feed, and I have enjoyed the discussion. What really fascinates me is that we are still rapturously discussing the life and times of politicians and warriors of Rome Two Thousand years later...
An emperor is born