Antony was just a puppy of Cleopatra. In battle of Actium 31 BC Antony left his fleet to be destroyed by Octavian. Why? Because Cleopatra left durring the battle and Antony followed her leaving his fleet to be sent to the bottom.
Rūdolfs Rubenis I doubt his fleet was destroyed because Anthony left, Antony probably knew the battle was lost and decided to retreat, no shame in that.
Selling the Second Amendment. There were several reasons why the battle was lost, one being the plague amongs the oarsmen which reduced Antony´s oar crew to half and the other being that when Cleopatra saw that his fleet was getting surrounded, she decided to leave him to his fate and left with her 60 ships, which could have turned the battle around imo. When Antony saw Cleopatra was leaving, he jumped off his ship and swam to Cleopatras and then watched from its helm how his fleet is getting sent to the bottom.
Radovan Fendrich Those are valid reasons, clearly Anthony should have left Cleopatra in Egypt. I'm not sexist, I welcome women in the military, but clearly Cleopatra was a bit of a coward at that moment, which is hard to understand. If Anthony had won the war, imagine the power they would have acquired. Losing the war meant losing their lives. Cleopatra also thought she could seduce Octavian, he miscalculated, for Octavian wasn't the kind of man that penetrates everything that moves, he was sensitive, although kinky in the bedroom with his wife, I don't need Rome to tell me that, I read about it in I Am Livia.
Usual family fight. The guy is just too infuriated by being mocked by a green boy. He doesn't want to make it a fiasco, but the moment he stroke Agrippa he loses it, he then calms down and wants to take his leave, but again Agrippa being bitchy and Octavian disrespecting his mother like that just triggers him. The scene is shot wonderfully
Got to love the scene later on in season 2 when he out plays Mark Anthony and sends the women away under lock up. You can see he has learnt from this beating. "Go ahead, strike me. Watch what happens". I could just hear the joker's voice laughing at batman (you have nothing to do with all your strength!). Caught Anthony in something he couldn't punch his way out of.
@@stevekaczynski3793 That excommunication then resulted in the remaining tempars knights fleeing to Scotland after they were purged, couple years later the first masonic lodges opened up there. Call me a conspiracy theorist but...
@@mortalclown3812 Rome was hell when Julius was alive. Perhaps his reign could've brought a time of peace, but he never really reigned in a formal sense, not for long at least.
After all the skill and cunning Octavian had already demonstrated, backed up by Caesar's making him his heir, those two should have really known better than to ever underestimate him.
Damn, this show was so excellent! It focused on the characters, their constellations & motivations. You really feel with them & understand why they did what they did. It was not just: "Caesar passed these laws", "Octavian made these reforms" etc. It was not the abstract stuff you are usually taught in history class. Here the characters really come to life. And as a pleasant side effect, you learn much about that period in Roman history, without having to memorize boring facts.
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This scene is indeed fantastic, Octavium is the best empreror the world has even seen. What he done is beyond words and changed the world foverer. And about this episode, I liked it so much that I watched it again just one hour after it first aired here.
Characters such as Marcus Antonius may be effective brutal gruntswhich you can utilise on the battlefield, but Octavian knew (as did Gaius Caeser before him) that this is not enough to rule effectively, making that evident to him and Octavian's snake mother in this scene. I was a bit dissapointed to see they used a different actor for Octavian later, for what was only a relatively short distance of time between this scene and further events. It was great to see his logical approach move into real world politics by asserting himself at last, stating to them both how they are not the future of Rome and that Octavian would be.
You refer to "Antony" known from tv shows and movies based upon Shakespeare plays. Marcus Antonius was much more than, what Shakespeare wrote. he was politician involved in Rome politics years before he became a soldier. He was an excellent commander and the last great ruler on the East.
We need series about dysfunctional Roman families and their everyday urban public life activities. Similar scenes probably happened in ancient Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Greece... Whenever and wherever family existed.
"I Claudius", set later on, was a pretty good account of dysfunctional Roman families, with an Augustus now aged and led up the garden path by Livia. There was another British TV series about the Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt that was pretty dreadful.
Bada Boom Lemme guess, you blame Christianity entirely for all of it. Because the Roman gods were such utter and entire saints and individuals to model yourself after. Ya stupid, whiny little maggot.
Perfect example as to how clever Octavian was even at that age. Marc only thought in the short term and each time Octavian gambled he won because he was smart enough to think long term. Marc was a bullying jerk and I am amazed Atia put up with him, slapping her own son around no less.
Ceasar knew Anthony well as impulsive and short sighted. Ceasar saw potential with Octavian as a smart, calculating and competent leader. This is why Ceasar made Ocatavian as his heir. He probably knew. He needs someone to build the empire.
I know I can't be the only who watches this and starts laughing hysterically when they start fighting. Octavian just keeps adding fuel to the fire lol.
Octavian wasnt just a Sociopathic dictator. He was a man of virtue, a godly man. He promoted traditional Roman cultural values and traditions, which sustained Rome far longer then brute force alone.
Octavian gets beaten up now, but later on, it is HE who humiliates Marc Antony and shows him who's the boss. Even his mother Atia has to bow down before her own son.
Well, in Roman society the pater familias had the lawful power of life and death over everyone beneath him in his family, including his mother and sister. In a few shorts years that's Octavian. He was technically already the pater familias in this scene (hence why he slapped her back, women didn't hit men). Atia pretty much didn't have a choice.
by gods it would be so incredible to see this show done over a thousand years of Romo-Byzantine history :D If any of us ever make a billion dollars, could you try and make this dream happen?
Yes, but you know what they say in Hollywood..."The quickest way to become a millionaire is to start out a billionaire and go into the movie business".
That’s literally the killer though.. in order to milk money out of shows they love to just keep them running and drive the plots into the ground but for some reason that mentality never comes up for historical eras which have many many seasons of content that you don’t even need to make up the storylines for as much as from scratch. A long running show about Imperial Rome quite literally writes itself and could make more than enough to keep going in this era of TV. HBO’s Rome had trouble with funding it’s extravagant attention to detail in that time of television, but after the proven success of shit like House of Cards and Game of Thrones, there’s a massive market for political scheming type shows… Dear god I would give anything for this project to be realized, but I doubt it’ll ever come.
I'm pretty sure that when he hatched his plot for winning recognition as Caesar's heir, he had assumed that Antony would go ape at him, and decided that he must fight without fear, in order to show that he won't be cowed.
Americans are great admirers of Roman history too: our symbol is the eagle, statues of Roman Gods like Ceres and Athena can be found in our cities and colleges, our Constitution was based partly on the Roman Republic, we use titles like "consul", "curator", "senator" etc. in our society, and our government buildings use Roman architecture. Our founding fathers loved Rome and some of the most popular movies and stores here today use Rome.
Mark Antony of 'Rome' did indeed rule. The real historical person was interesting too, but I think a fair bit nicer than he was portrayed as in the show!
I think that knowing how it turned out for Antony is more satisfying, a Roman officer bested by the first emperor of Rome, for all Antony's skills as a commander, he was a mentally weak man compared to Octavian.
You seen seasons 1-4? The real insult is that they know exactly how to make a good series, they just chose not to because why put in the extra effort when you know people will watch any trash you show them anyways
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 nah , you're wrong...the seasons you mentioned were good because of the book material they copied from.Although I do agree that what you said at the end is the case with many shows ,like Vikings and Michael Hirst for example.
@@lisandro4612 As a hardcore ASoIaF fan, there were plenty of elments from seasons 1-4 which werent based on the books and either held up to them or either improved on them
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 that is true ,but at the end of the day the story they were telling,the dialogues , characters etc were not "theirs".I might be extremely harsh on them ,I just find them not nearly as talented to be in charge of a story that good and cannot get over the fact that they ruined Martin's work like that.
@@lisandro4612 While the characters were based from GRRM's work a lot of the dialogue, barring a few scenes, was all their work. If seasons 1-4 dosent count because the characters are based from books then rome season 1-2 shouldnt count because they were based on real documented historical figures for characters
Same thing happened to me when I was the age of Octavian in this clip. I was mad because I could not drive the car, yelled at my mom and my step dad jumped in to stand up for her. I got my ass beat bad that day. My fault 100%. I never yelled at my mom after that.
Good scene. Something like it might even have happened, although a vicious quarrel behind closed doors would probably not make it into the histories. Household slaves might have heard something but it would be unwise for them to gossip about it because punishment could be dire. If Antony had actually killed Octavian, changing a lot of subsequent history, he would probably have had to dispose of the body and rumours would have started.
That wouldn't have worked out for Antony. He would've been hunted down and killed for killing Octavian. His real name (Post Julius Caesar's death) actually was Gaius Julius Caesar. He adopted his name, Antony was totally defeated by this.
I know right. I love reading about Antony but I really felt this scene highlighted *why* Octavian would be victor and Antony defeated by the end of their war.
ikr. Antony should have realized that Caesar had chosen Octavian for a reason, and settled for being the sidekick and wardog of Octavian, just like he'd been to Caesar. Antony would have been happier that way too, he's bored to death by actual government.
Antony was an incompetent drunk. He himself dealt poorly with the soldiers' mutiny and lost his position with a dog in the honor of Lepidus. Cesar did not choose Augustus wrong, perceiving in him his political genius and antony was only a drunkard, but a mediocre strategist.
Ah now you see I disagree with you. From what I've read the real Antony was rather uncouth but respected hugely by his soldiers, etc. He was also one of the few who remained truly loyal to Caesar right at the end. And that's not getting into the whole Cleopatra story... I think he was a more honorable man than the one portrayed in 'Rome'.
Nope. Caesar left in charge of Rome, and he made a whole mess out of it. Riots in the streets, plebs dying by the dozen... he was awesome, but very similar to this show's portrayal
That's what they were actually called. That's where the word comes from. It wasn't an insult, it was just the name of a social class (though of course, it could be used as an insult against someone who was of a higher social class).
@@syncmonism It was a social class that included everyone in the scene (well, technically not Octavian anymore since he became a patrician by adoption, but he had been plebeian all his life until a few weeks before this, and his mother and sister remained so) as well as 90% of the senate. It had long since ceased to have the implications modern people usually associate with it, although there was still a cachet attached to patrician status (although it could also be a hindrance in politics, given that patricians couldn't be tribunes of the plebs and at least one of the two consuls in any year had to be plebeians - that was why Clodius had himself adopted into a plebeian family, being a demagogue was tough as a patrician). At another point in the scene someone uses the word they should be using, proles. Likewise when people use the term "patricians" to mean the uppermost class in the late Republic the word they really should be using is "nobiles," nobles. Antony, Pompey, Brutus, Cato, and the rest were plebeians, but more important both to them and to the rest of Roman society, they were nobiles. Cicero, OTOH, was a novus homo, NOT a nobilis, which, along with his lack of military aptitude or significant experience, is why many of the other characters treated him so disrespectfully despite his political accomplishments. Octavian was somewhere in between: his paternal ancestry was not noble, but his mother's Julian and other noble blood would have put him within the circle of the social elite even before his adoption by Julius Caesar.
People like to say that Augustus's rule was one of peace and prosperity, but they also tend to forget that Rome outright lost a war during his reign. Rome tried to annex Germania, but the natives handed the Romans their asses at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Because of that, and realization of the impracticality of trying to expand beyond the Rhine, Rome failed to conquer Germania. Augustus is said to have grown a beard and banged his head against the wall several times while weeping in response to the disaster.
Teutoborg was a disaster, but not a lost war so to say. They did not conquer Germania superior because of the sparse settled territory and povert of the region. The cost of occupying were a net loss, so they settled on punitive expeditions and demanding hostages. Teutoborg was followed up by a long series of punishment expeditions.
The Cappening Channel True, the Romans did launch a number of largely successful raids, and they did bite off bits of territory from the Germans in later years, but personally, I think a number of those things were more about saving face than anything else, or maybe that's based on my own bias against the Romans. The Germans later reclaimed a good chunk of that territory, and some of them even got involved with the Visigoths in later years.
Cheapsunglasses According to Peter Heathers book about the fall of the roman empire, the germans were too few and poor to bother with occuppying, untill contact with the Romans made them civilized and numerous enough to actually invade the Romans.
The Cappening Channel I have heard something along those lines. It's been a while since I looked into that stuff. When they retook those territories, they liked what they saw and they kept it. But even in the early days following Teutoburg, the Germans could give the Romans trouble in some areas and not face severe consequences. On one occasion, a tribe, whose name I can't recall, submitted willingly, but when the Romans installed an asshole tax collector*, they killed him, slaughtered the legion he'd brought with him, and the Romans didn't retaliate. Another, more serious rebellion kicked off later, and while Rome was technically victorious, the tribe forced them into a position of compromise. The Romans did take certain measures to make a future rebellion harder to attempt (such as building a defensive wall in a key area or something like that), but there was no slaughter, little (if any) hostage-taking, or all that jazz. * This was a common cause for rebellions in those days. Boudicca, some Germanic tribes, the Visigoths - it's almost like the Romans were trying to provoke a rebellion.
Cheapsunglasses True, they kept large lines of defensive fortresses agains the germans. But Arminius' wife were taken and sent to Rome and two of the three eagles were also recovered after teutoborg (from a pagan temple where they were kept. The Roman legionaries had such dicipline that even an auxillary troop of engineers could march all night bringing their wounded along, while being harassed by german warriors with spears and stones. When the germans finally got organized enough to defeat roman armies, it was because the romans kept killing the leadership of different tribes, so they sought refuge with other leaders. The visigoths was one such "supergroup"
Speaking as a US citizen, I cannot say I am entirely proud of some things my nation has done. But I also think many of our contributions and achievements are underwritten by the current tide of negativity against us. I am amazed by how relatively young our nation is, but yet in that time it has overcome countless forms of adversity. We have managed to take different religions, nationalities, and ethnicity's, and somehow bring them together-our greatest achievement by fat.
This scene is cool but very unlikely. The real Atia was extremely protective of Octavian. She was not a wore, but a very virtuous woman and she never had Marc Anthony as a lover either. I wonder why the screenwriter of Rome wrote this scene as such.
Humberto Ventura, because this is period drama. The writers did not intend to create a historically accurate history, although, it is loosely, based on historical events.
Neil I personally think that the real thing is far more interesting. For instance, Livia (mistress of Octavian here) showed in the show has no personality, looks like a tiny vicious woman and just uses Octavian to reach power. That´s not true. The real Octavian was very much in love with her, she was a woman of great personality and very intelligent. It´s a great show, nevertheless, my favorite.
Humberto Ventura, the fact that they could not afford to make the 4 or 5 seasons originally planned meant that in the second season events were very rushed. I'm sure if they had made the number of episodes originally intended, the drama and character development would have been much better.
Neil I think that as well. We can clearly see this is an extremely ambitious production. The set and costume design details are outstanding. Oh well, pity HBO could not continue with it.
This is similar to a situation I was in as Octavian. It is uncomfortable to watch it but I think thats what makes this scene so good! British actors are some of the best actors in the world
No. Just no. Tywin has no use for a wife who only thinks about her own position and who will suck up to or betray any man towards that end. Tywin is all about family, Atia is all about Atia.
And if they had had children together Atia would have been fully devoted to her 'family' as shown on this series. She was a manipulative, sometimes sadistic women but Tywin was about the same.
Atia wasn't devoted to her family. She turned against it at times to save her own ass. When Caesar looked like he'd lose in Greece, she latched onto Antony and tried to manipulate him to abandon Caesar to save himself. Had her attempt succeeded, she would have further decreased Caesar's chance to win. In the first episodes of Season 2, she sides with Antony again when being his lover seems the best bet for her, against her own son Octavian.
The fucking balls on Octavian, 3:15 Antony is clearly calming down, like "right you little shit, I've pinned you at last, let this be an end to it." And he looks to his mother to show it's over. Octavian swings back into the fight with a small statue or lump of rock and deals Antony a blow that says, come at me bro! The fucking balls......
This really is a great scene with powerful acting. Makes me wish Max Pirkis still acted, the guy was amazing. Anytime I see him in HBO Rome or Master and Commander I'm just blown away by his on screen presence. He had brilliant chops.
“You’re giving the plebs their money.”
You just called it *their* money.
Octavian has a 4th degree black belt in trolling LOL
Octavian is growing up ! I suggest you do
Epic bro😂😂😂😂
Octavian = the smartest and most methodical character on the show. He planned for the long haul, whereas Antony only cared about his current image
Antony was just a puppy of Cleopatra. In battle of Actium 31 BC Antony left his fleet to be destroyed by Octavian. Why? Because Cleopatra left durring the battle and Antony followed her leaving his fleet to be sent to the bottom.
Rūdolfs Rubenis I doubt his fleet was destroyed because Anthony left, Antony probably knew the battle was lost and decided to retreat, no shame in that.
Selling the Second Amendment.
There were several reasons why the battle was lost, one being the plague amongs the oarsmen which reduced Antony´s oar crew to half and the other being that when Cleopatra saw that his fleet was getting surrounded, she decided to leave him to his fate and left with her 60 ships, which could have turned the battle around imo. When Antony saw Cleopatra was leaving, he jumped off his ship and swam to Cleopatras and then watched from its helm how his fleet is getting sent to the bottom.
Radovan Fendrich Those are valid reasons, clearly Anthony should have left Cleopatra in Egypt. I'm not sexist, I welcome women in the military, but clearly Cleopatra was a bit of a coward at that moment, which is hard to understand. If Anthony had won the war, imagine the power they would have acquired. Losing the war meant losing their lives.
Cleopatra also thought she could seduce Octavian, he miscalculated, for Octavian wasn't the kind of man that penetrates everything that moves, he was sensitive, although kinky in the bedroom with his wife, I don't need Rome to tell me that, I read about it in I Am Livia.
Mark Angelini Jr. So true. He couldn't match Antony in terms of combat, but he beat him where it counts.
My favourite character in Rome is the News anchorman in the forum, who announces everything with such passion.
I LOVE him xD
And flailing! :)
Doooood its called an Orator gosssshhhhhh
Dude are you me?!
John N News Reader
Octavian's stimulus check.
Underrated comment
Figure that the landlords simply raised the rents?
@@samuelspiel8855 gotta get those taxes back.
the way mark anthony keeps running back to beat Octavian up is too funny
Usual family fight. The guy is just too infuriated by being mocked by a green boy. He doesn't want to make it a fiasco, but the moment he stroke Agrippa he loses it, he then calms down and wants to take his leave, but again Agrippa being bitchy and Octavian disrespecting his mother like that just triggers him.
The scene is shot wonderfully
@@subutaynoyan5372 why were you talking about Agrippa here
Looks like my typical family dinner
+Masterroach german Hahahhhaa! Holy fuck, that was funny!
Get a lot of "You're not fit to lead Rome" do you?
Yes we've had meals like that too
Ayeee same
Yeah the same here.........
what an amazing incarnation of Mark Antony , James Purefoy you're the best .
Looks like Octavian should have taken Pullo's tutoring more seriously back in Season 1.
Got to love the scene later on in season 2 when he out plays Mark Anthony and sends the women away under lock up. You can see he has learnt from this beating. "Go ahead, strike me. Watch what happens". I could just hear the joker's voice laughing at batman (you have nothing to do with all your strength!). Caught Anthony in something he couldn't punch his way out of.
True, great acting all round. Really draws you in
If he did that, I'd be like maxing out a character in an rpg game.
@@stevekaczynski3793 That excommunication then resulted in the remaining tempars knights fleeing to Scotland after they were purged, couple years later the first masonic lodges opened up there.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...
@@stevekaczynski3793 Well you can be both cunning and a decent fighter right? Like Bronn from GOT
For all Mark Antony's fans, watch The Following, James Purefoy is amazing, you can't get enough from him
I've tried but after 5 episodes it is too unrealistic. The acting is top class though.
There's also ''Altered carbon'. I've only watched a few episodes, but it's pretty good and he's brilliant
The following? Why would you like someone to watch that crap??
Anthony: "Who do you think you are?"
Octavian: "Only the future emperor after you've offed yourself."
I would like to add that Octavians reign was one of the most greatest in all of Roman 1000 years history.
*2600 Years of Roman History ty. 753 BC to 1453 AD
Maybe even one of the mostest greaterest.
Gianfranco Fronzi yes but he got him back later on , Antony couldn’t do a thing to him
What about Julius? Honestly just inquiring for ranking purposes. Pax et lux.
@@mortalclown3812 Rome was hell when Julius was alive. Perhaps his reign could've brought a time of peace, but he never really reigned in a formal sense, not for long at least.
After all the skill and cunning Octavian had already demonstrated, backed up by Caesar's making him his heir, those two should have really known better than to ever underestimate him.
I love how Octavian stayed chilling on the floor after he blasted a fucking veteran of the Gallic wars in the face lol
Brilliant writing...brilliant acting...brilliant production values...brilliant show...Ended waaaaaay too early.
Damn, this show was so excellent! It focused on the characters, their constellations & motivations. You really feel with them & understand why they did what they did. It was not just: "Caesar passed these laws", "Octavian made these reforms" etc. It was not the abstract stuff you are usually taught in history class. Here the characters really come to life.
And as a pleasant side effect, you learn much about that period in Roman history, without having to memorize boring facts.
A truly amazing series. Never have I encountered such likeable characters in any visual medium.
"Places, everyone. Let's see if we can get this in just one take." Actors: "Amen!!!"
2:59 Antony goes in for round 2
I'da stabbed him sleeping in my mother's bed and ratted him out for stealing my money and dogging my moms.
The way he hopped over the bed afterwards 😂
Last Baratheon lol he didn't hop he fucking like yeeted himself 😂
@Eric Zombrow *role
3:26 round 3
"MONEY MONEY MONEY! I'M SURROUNDED BY MONEY GRUBBERS!" hahahaha my favorite quote from Antony in this series
Antony & Atia were a great pairing I agree. :)
This is just such an amazing fucking scene. Gods, I love this show!
They shouldn't have underestimated him Anthony of all people should know better.
It seems as if the only person who DIDN'T under-estimate him was Julius Caesar himself.
1 000 000 views ! Rome is definitely the best series ever
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Downrange Film why are you even talking about pewdiepie? LMAO
@@thefixer8765 normies stay the same
This scene is indeed fantastic, Octavium is the best empreror the world has even seen. What he done is beyond words and changed the world foverer. And about this episode, I liked it so much that I watched it again just one hour after it first aired here.
Characters such as Marcus Antonius may be effective brutal gruntswhich you can utilise on the battlefield, but Octavian knew (as did Gaius Caeser before him) that this is not enough to rule effectively, making that evident to him and Octavian's snake mother in this scene. I was a bit dissapointed to see they used a different actor for Octavian later, for what was only a relatively short distance of time between this scene and further events. It was great to see his logical approach move into real world politics by asserting himself at last, stating to them both how they are not the future of Rome and that Octavian would be.
The new actor was necessary. Augustus was an adult man, not the promising boy the actor in this scene protrays.
You refer to "Antony" known from tv shows and movies based upon Shakespeare plays. Marcus Antonius was much more than, what Shakespeare wrote. he was politician involved in Rome politics years before he became a soldier. He was an excellent commander and the last great ruler on the East.
We need series about dysfunctional Roman families and their everyday urban public life activities. Similar scenes probably happened in ancient Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Greece... Whenever and wherever family existed.
Wtf?
No one cares about great families of Rome. It will be more boring then ever
"I Claudius", set later on, was a pretty good account of dysfunctional Roman families, with an Augustus now aged and led up the garden path by Livia.
There was another British TV series about the Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt that was pretty dreadful.
Our own dysfunctional family dynamics are inherited all the way down from those times.
@@gorankatic40000bc LOL true.
Well, that's one way to make a political enemy.
He had nothing to lose and everything to gain at that stage. It was a calculated ploy.
I see family has not changed much since the times of rome
😂😂
I'm sure when Alaric the Visigoth marched brazenly through Rome and burned it down, Octavian was rolling in his grave with fury.
Bada Boom Lemme guess, you blame Christianity entirely for all of it. Because the Roman gods were such utter and entire saints and individuals to model yourself after. Ya stupid, whiny little maggot.
***** Holy shit, you really are an idiot!
Raetia Loricum Matter of fact, I don't think ANYBODY at ANY TIME asked you what the fuck you thought or mentioned caring.
C Pegg But Alaric was badass. FREEDOM!!!!
***** Hey loser, piss off. Even Christ himself would be rolling in his grave thinking that vermin of the likes of you claim his religion as your own.
That's one of my fav scenes of Rome too love it such a good acting all of them
Perfect example as to how clever Octavian was even at that age. Marc only thought in the short term and each time Octavian gambled he won because he was smart enough to think long term.
Marc was a bullying jerk and I am amazed Atia put up with him, slapping her own son around no less.
Roman parenting 101
Ceasar knew Anthony well as impulsive and short sighted.
Ceasar saw potential with Octavian as a smart, calculating and competent leader.
This is why Ceasar made Ocatavian as his heir. He probably knew. He needs someone to build the empire.
Rome. One of the best shows ever.
I know I can't be the only who watches this and starts laughing hysterically when they start fighting. Octavian just keeps adding fuel to the fire lol.
Octavian wasnt just a Sociopathic dictator. He was a man of virtue, a godly man. He promoted traditional Roman cultural values and traditions, which sustained Rome far longer then brute force alone.
Whatever it is both the characters made an impact in the annals of Rome.
i love this show and this has got to be one of the best scenes.
fantastic!!
thanks for posting.
Agree with with you. This show was a 'must watch' for me. Great acting, great sets, raw, passionate - great stuff
Octavian gets beaten up now, but later on, it is HE who humiliates Marc Antony and shows him who's the boss. Even his mother Atia has to bow down before her own son.
Well, in Roman society the pater familias had the lawful power of life and death over everyone beneath him in his family, including his mother and sister. In a few shorts years that's Octavian. He was technically already the pater familias in this scene (hence why he slapped her back, women didn't hit men). Atia pretty much didn't have a choice.
by gods it would be so incredible to see this show done over a thousand years of Romo-Byzantine history :D
If any of us ever make a billion dollars, could you try and make this dream happen?
Yes, but you know what they say in Hollywood..."The quickest way to become a millionaire is to start out a billionaire and go into the movie business".
That’s literally the killer though.. in order to milk money out of shows they love to just keep them running and drive the plots into the ground
but for some reason that mentality never comes up for historical eras which have many many seasons of content that you don’t even need to make up the storylines for as much as from scratch. A long running show about Imperial Rome quite literally writes itself and could make more than enough to keep going in this era of TV.
HBO’s Rome had trouble with funding it’s extravagant attention to detail in that time of television, but after the proven success of shit like House of Cards and Game of Thrones, there’s a massive market for political scheming type shows… Dear god I would give anything for this project to be realized, but I doubt it’ll ever come.
I would a "A Rome cinematic Universe" with multiple TV serwis over the years with best actors and writing possible.
2:59 this look here is so funny and the the little jump after that goddamn i love this show
These must be Tony’s ancestors. Because this just turned into an episode of the sopranos.
Octavian is boss XD
tomurg: More like "He will be boss" ;)
I love how presumptuous Posca the Slave is, when he says, "I am Caesar's rightful heir!"
i love love love max pirkis in this scene and james purefoy is a close second.
HAHA Suck it Antony! Augustus for life.
Good plan but he did not compensate for antony's ego
I'm pretty sure that when he hatched his plot for winning recognition as Caesar's heir, he had assumed that Antony would go ape at him, and decided that he must fight without fear, in order to show that he won't be cowed.
Americans are great admirers of Roman history too: our symbol is the eagle, statues of Roman Gods like Ceres and Athena can be found in our cities and colleges, our Constitution was based partly on the Roman Republic, we use titles like "consul", "curator", "senator" etc. in our society, and our government buildings use Roman architecture. Our founding fathers loved Rome and some of the most popular movies and stores here today use Rome.
octavian and old Julius were my fav characters in the series :) Love the way this smart lad deals with things.
Mark Antony of 'Rome' did indeed rule. The real historical person was interesting too, but I think a fair bit nicer than he was portrayed as in the show!
I dont know... he stack Cicero's hand in the forum after his wife stabbed Cicero's tongue with a nail
This is why octavian won in the long run. Hes playing chess Anthony's playing checkers
jammar521 Antony was a great general but politically he was a fucking idiot.
Probably the most realistic scene of a purpose redlining or red zoning is Marc Antony strangling Octavian and Atia trying to stop it
this has gotta be my favourite scene in the series :)
what a great show
I must admit that watching Mark Antony beat the brakes off Octavian was very satisfying.
I think that knowing how it turned out for Antony is more satisfying, a Roman officer bested by the first emperor of Rome, for all Antony's skills as a commander, he was a mentally weak man compared to Octavian.
Augustus is much more intelligent and destroyed Mark Anthony and made him kill himself not to be humiliated.
I love it, it’s the scene where Rome turns into EastEnders for a few minutes!
I bet Anthony regretted not strangling him to death later on when Octavian was knocking at his gates in Egypt
Ah the joys of Probate.
Spoken like someone with expertise in the dark arts...wonder what happened when the estate executor m Antony failed to execute the will
D&D should learn how to make good series like this.
You seen seasons 1-4? The real insult is that they know exactly how to make a good series, they just chose not to because why put in the extra effort when you know people will watch any trash you show them anyways
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 nah , you're wrong...the seasons you mentioned were good because of the book material they copied from.Although I do agree that what you said at the end is the case with many shows ,like Vikings and Michael Hirst for example.
@@lisandro4612 As a hardcore ASoIaF fan, there were plenty of elments from seasons 1-4 which werent based on the books and either held up to them or either improved on them
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 that is true ,but at the end of the day the story they were telling,the dialogues , characters etc were not "theirs".I might be extremely harsh on them ,I just find them not nearly as talented to be in charge of a story that good and cannot get over the fact that they ruined Martin's work like that.
@@lisandro4612 While the characters were based from GRRM's work a lot of the dialogue, barring a few scenes, was all their work. If seasons 1-4 dosent count because the characters are based from books then rome season 1-2 shouldnt count because they were based on real documented historical figures for characters
1st season of "Rome" was about the best TV ever
Tony A 2nd season for me faaaar better
Tony A ist season was way to slow
Tony A I do love this episode though
This is classic drama - its like a true family arguement. Rome was THE BEST drama series EVER.
Same thing happened to me when I was the age of Octavian in this clip. I was mad because I could not drive the car, yelled at my mom and my step dad jumped in to stand up for her. I got my ass beat bad that day. My fault 100%. I never yelled at my mom after that.
Since he wasn't your actual parent, you could have gotten him sent to jail for beating you.
never touched my woman's kids....She raised you to talk back. Poses every statement at you like a question...All I told them was don't hit her
You wanted to drive a car, Octavian wanted to create the pax romana. There is a big difference here.
@@EmptyMan000 Maybe, but he stood up for my mom, and I was wrong for disrespecting her.
@@blockmasterscott I am happy you see your mistake😆
Good scene. Something like it might even have happened, although a vicious quarrel behind closed doors would probably not make it into the histories. Household slaves might have heard something but it would be unwise for them to gossip about it because punishment could be dire. If Antony had actually killed Octavian, changing a lot of subsequent history, he would probably have had to dispose of the body and rumours would have started.
That wouldn't have worked out for Antony. He would've been hunted down and killed for killing Octavian. His real name (Post Julius Caesar's death) actually was Gaius Julius Caesar. He adopted his name, Antony was totally defeated by this.
Max Pirkis' Octavian was a true tour the force. Great acting from him throughout season 1 of Rome.
4:02 "You're not fit to lead Rome!" but to me it always sounded like "You're officially Rome!"
No wonder Mark Anthony lost everything in the end.
I know right. I love reading about Antony but I really felt this scene highlighted *why* Octavian would be victor and Antony defeated by the end of their war.
ikr. Antony should have realized that Caesar had chosen Octavian for a reason, and settled for being the sidekick and wardog of Octavian, just like he'd been to Caesar. Antony would have been happier that way too, he's bored to death by actual government.
@Gregory Smith Antony was corrupted far before Cleopatra to be sure ; )
Antony was an incompetent drunk.
He himself dealt poorly with the soldiers' mutiny and lost his position with a dog in the honor of Lepidus. Cesar did not choose Augustus wrong, perceiving in him his political genius and antony was only a drunkard, but a mediocre strategist.
Anthony was ashamed of himself at Parthia, without anyone getting in his way.
Ah now you see I disagree with you. From what I've read the real Antony was rather uncouth but respected hugely by his soldiers, etc. He was also one of the few who remained truly loyal to Caesar right at the end. And that's not getting into the whole Cleopatra story... I think he was a more honorable man than the one portrayed in 'Rome'.
Nope. Caesar left in charge of Rome, and he made a whole mess out of it. Riots in the streets, plebs dying by the dozen... he was awesome, but very similar to this show's portrayal
Wow, that was a great scene.. I've never missed an episode. Too bad there are only two seasons :-(
From 'boy' to emperor without ever lifting his sword...
lol, "plebs"
That's what they were actually called. That's where the word comes from. It wasn't an insult, it was just the name of a social class (though of course, it could be used as an insult against someone who was of a higher social class).
@@syncmonism It was a social class that included everyone in the scene (well, technically not Octavian anymore since he became a patrician by adoption, but he had been plebeian all his life until a few weeks before this, and his mother and sister remained so) as well as 90% of the senate. It had long since ceased to have the implications modern people usually associate with it, although there was still a cachet attached to patrician status (although it could also be a hindrance in politics, given that patricians couldn't be tribunes of the plebs and at least one of the two consuls in any year had to be plebeians - that was why Clodius had himself adopted into a plebeian family, being a demagogue was tough as a patrician). At another point in the scene someone uses the word they should be using, proles.
Likewise when people use the term "patricians" to mean the uppermost class in the late Republic the word they really should be using is "nobiles," nobles. Antony, Pompey, Brutus, Cato, and the rest were plebeians, but more important both to them and to the rest of Roman society, they were nobiles. Cicero, OTOH, was a novus homo, NOT a nobilis, which, along with his lack of military aptitude or significant experience, is why many of the other characters treated him so disrespectfully despite his political accomplishments. Octavian was somewhere in between: his paternal ancestry was not noble, but his mother's Julian and other noble blood would have put him within the circle of the social elite even before his adoption by Julius Caesar.
Actium was round 3 I guess. Lol.
"Your not fit to Lead ROME!"
Now this is history worthy of watching.
I love this show, way better than fucking game of thrones
MOHANNAD ALHUWAISH i wasn’t gonna comment but are you a crackhead and if so who is your dealer?
People like to say that Augustus's rule was one of peace and prosperity, but they also tend to forget that Rome outright lost a war during his reign. Rome tried to annex Germania, but the natives handed the Romans their asses at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Because of that, and realization of the impracticality of trying to expand beyond the Rhine, Rome failed to conquer Germania. Augustus is said to have grown a beard and banged his head against the wall several times while weeping in response to the disaster.
Teutoborg was a disaster, but not a lost war so to say. They did not conquer Germania superior because of the sparse settled territory and povert of the region. The cost of occupying were a net loss, so they settled on punitive expeditions and demanding hostages. Teutoborg was followed up by a long series of punishment expeditions.
The Cappening Channel True, the Romans did launch a number of largely successful raids, and they did bite off bits of territory from the Germans in later years, but personally, I think a number of those things were more about saving face than anything else, or maybe that's based on my own bias against the Romans. The Germans later reclaimed a good chunk of that territory, and some of them even got involved with the Visigoths in later years.
Cheapsunglasses According to Peter Heathers book about the fall of the roman empire, the germans were too few and poor to bother with occuppying, untill contact with the Romans made them civilized and numerous enough to actually invade the Romans.
The Cappening Channel I have heard something along those lines. It's been a while since I looked into that stuff. When they retook those territories, they liked what they saw and they kept it. But even in the early days following Teutoburg, the Germans could give the Romans trouble in some areas and not face severe consequences. On one occasion, a tribe, whose name I can't recall, submitted willingly, but when the Romans installed an asshole tax collector*, they killed him, slaughtered the legion he'd brought with him, and the Romans didn't retaliate. Another, more serious rebellion kicked off later, and while Rome was technically victorious, the tribe forced them into a position of compromise. The Romans did take certain measures to make a future rebellion harder to attempt (such as building a defensive wall in a key area or something like that), but there was no slaughter, little (if any) hostage-taking, or all that jazz.
* This was a common cause for rebellions in those days. Boudicca, some Germanic tribes, the Visigoths - it's almost like the Romans were trying to provoke a rebellion.
Cheapsunglasses True, they kept large lines of defensive fortresses agains the germans. But Arminius' wife were taken and sent to Rome and two of the three eagles were also recovered after teutoborg (from a pagan temple where they were kept. The Roman legionaries had such dicipline that even an auxillary troop of engineers could march all night bringing their wounded along, while being harassed by german warriors with spears and stones.
When the germans finally got organized enough to defeat roman armies, it was because the romans kept killing the leadership of different tribes, so they sought refuge with other leaders. The visigoths was one such "supergroup"
Oh yes completely. I admire the ethics and accomplishments of the real Antony. I am really just amused by the whole Rome character.
Nothing beats a fighting scene with Badasses Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo😎
Speaking as a US citizen, I cannot say I am entirely proud of some things my nation has done. But I also think many of our contributions and achievements are underwritten by the current tide of negativity against us. I am amazed by how relatively young our nation is, but yet in that time it has overcome countless forms of adversity. We have managed to take different religions, nationalities, and ethnicity's, and somehow bring them together-our greatest achievement by fat.
This scene is cool but very unlikely. The real Atia was extremely protective of Octavian. She was not a wore, but a very virtuous woman and she never had Marc Anthony as a lover either. I wonder why the screenwriter of Rome wrote this scene as such.
Humberto Ventura, because this is period drama. The writers did not intend to create a historically accurate history, although, it is loosely, based on historical events.
Neil I personally think that the real thing is far more interesting. For instance, Livia (mistress of Octavian here) showed in the show has no personality, looks like a tiny vicious woman and just uses Octavian to reach power. That´s not true. The real Octavian was very much in love with her, she was a woman of great personality and very intelligent. It´s a great show, nevertheless, my favorite.
Humberto Ventura, the fact that they could not afford to make the 4 or 5 seasons originally planned meant that in the second season events were very rushed. I'm sure if they had made the number of episodes originally intended, the drama and character development would have been much better.
Neil I think that as well. We can clearly see this is an extremely ambitious production. The set and costume design details are outstanding. Oh well, pity HBO could not continue with it.
What's a, "wore"? ; )
This is similar to a situation I was in as Octavian. It is uncomfortable to watch it but I think thats what makes this scene so good! British actors are some of the best actors in the world
I love this scene it reminds me of something in my past with my parents
It reminded me of living with my parents
Just another day in Atia's household. I love this show much more than GoT, but could you imagine Atia and Tywin as a couple?
No. Just no. Tywin has no use for a wife who only thinks about her own position and who will suck up to or betray any man towards that end. Tywin is all about family, Atia is all about Atia.
And if they had had children together Atia would have been fully devoted to her 'family' as shown on this series. She was a manipulative, sometimes sadistic women but Tywin was about the same.
Atia wasn't devoted to her family. She turned against it at times to save her own ass. When Caesar looked like he'd lose in Greece, she latched onto Antony and tried to manipulate him to abandon Caesar to save himself. Had her attempt succeeded, she would have further decreased Caesar's chance to win. In the first episodes of Season 2, she sides with Antony again when being his lover seems the best bet for her, against her own son Octavian.
That’s the future Emperor they’re roughing up!
My favourite scene in the entire series. I don't know which of the 3 actors is better... But I've a soft spot for Max - he's freakin AMAZING!
I forgot how much i loved this show
I love the look on Antony's face when he says that.
i totally agree, this is the best scene from rome as octavian goes down the path to become Augustus
The fucking balls on Octavian, 3:15 Antony is clearly calming down, like "right you little shit, I've pinned you at last, let this be an end to it." And he looks to his mother to show it's over. Octavian swings back into the fight with a small statue or lump of rock and deals Antony a blow that says, come at me bro! The fucking balls......
I loved this scene!!
The Town Crier is hands down my favorite periphery character in this excellent series.
They really should have given this show a third season, and a proper second season.
One of Rome's best scenes.
This really is a great scene with powerful acting. Makes me wish Max Pirkis still acted, the guy was amazing. Anytime I see him in HBO Rome or Master and Commander I'm just blown away by his on screen presence. He had brilliant chops.
Wow, I would never speak to my mom like that.
Octavian is such a smart alec. He's great that he can outsmart Anthony like that. Brilliant series!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched that episode and cracked up.
My favourite series ever EVER.