This guy is a great debater. He's constantly telling Joe how awesome the things he says are to keep it from turning bad and keeping the debate from turning into an argument. Great way to get the other side to listen.
yes I agree and when Joe is getting a bit close to the bone I've noticed that Firaz immediately jumps train and starts a new conversation. He does this to save little Joe embarrassment and fatiguing the conversation@@fullsendit292
Yeah I noticed he kept convincing the person he was talking to... about how solid his idea is while avoiding solid evidence in a clear decisive response.
@@jamesbaker3153is it really a red flag if the person is trying to keep the argument from turning hostile and bad? Would love to hear your thoughts brother
I think what Firas is trying to say is what Einstein was quoted to have said: "We must remember that we do not observe nature as it actually exists, but nature exposed to our methods of perception"
I don’t know if I have ever watched or listened to anything else that has opened my mind so much, I come back and watch it every now and then and it still blows my mind
Joe and Firas are having totally different discussions. Joe judged Firas as a science denier, while Firas is discussing the nature of human observation
Yeah lol. I realized it immediately. I didn't see him understanding really until halfway through, even still challanging a very simple concept over and over and over. Lol.
@@joeythakyd possibly. I think he definitely understood mostly. But when he kept saying what do you mean by woo. I just don't understand what you mean when you're saying science is woo, over and over lol.
For those who are interested: two famous Islamic theologians mentioned by Feras in the show 1- Al-Ghazāli ( Died 1111 C.E.) 2- Ibn Taymiyyah ( Died 1328 C.E.)
I can see tears of Atheists for who their new religion is Science still crying in comment section due to a guy with very small knowledge of philosophy debunked their whole fake belief in science🤣
The top 20-30 comments are people (mostly non atheists) that loved this very educational podcast/debate about the Philosophy of science and science while the new comments are full of unedcated, angry atheists calling Firas's explanations BS and talking nonsense about religions showing that they never watched this podcast LOL My guess is that this is too advanced for them even though Firas broke it down so any laymen can understand this. These people are so uneducated yet they try to act as if they are the people of science. So sad. PS. I came here from Twitter after seeing a Tweet saying exactly what you said
Probably because he’s famous for being an MMA coach. He’s one of the best in the world who trained George st Pierre, one of the best fighters there’s ever been
Firas Zahabi is just trying to win... Observe it when he keeps on telling joe very proudly how what he's trying to explain is not easy... this is what alot of philosophers suffer from.. is they're trying to win.. they're searching for that ultimate superiority over people.. i have that.. its a horrible curse.. Joe was never even in disagreement, they were just in a huge 1 hour long miscommunication.
@@mrmasrawy92 Joe wasnt disagreeing cus he couldn't. I dont think he even understood what firas was saying. I get how you could see that firas was trying to win an argument, but its frustrating when someone denies what you're saying because they dont understand.
@@devendrasinghbhadoriya234he means to become muslim and by definition to submit to the one true God, Allah, who is to be worshipped alone without joining partners in his worship. Please read His revelation, the Qur’an and listen to it being recited, it will be like opening your soul to the truth. Just trust me. You’ll NEVER regret it.
Dude this is by far my favorite episode ever. I have come to most of these conclusions on my own but I can never seem to find adequate words to explain to people. Mostly when I talk metaphysics I just get frustrated and give who ever my mantra... " I am you you are me we are all that is has been and ever will be. " To me that is the one fundamental truth, the law of one we are all the same energy just in different states.
Javascript Kiddie what did those idiots know? Theres a reason why that language is virtually extinct. Take any modern science class and the first thing you’re taught is scientific method and basis of hypotheses
@@hunterzolomon1303 What about intuition? You shouldn't follow anything blindly and be people love to pit science and spirituality at odds. Einstein was a deeply spiritual person.There's a difference between spirituality and dogma.
No it's not. It's a set of principles that govern the process of determining that which corresponds with reality and that which doesn't. It makes no proclamation that tomorrow will be like today. What it does say is that IF tomorrow is like today then you should expect to see certain things. So tired of people reciting stupid religious apologetic nonsense.
@@Haunting1981 science rests upon philosophical naturalism which presupposes exactly that the future will behave like the past. That being because there is no randomness under naturalism. Keep up gaytheist
@@Haunting1981 No, it necessarily does. How would you go about determining those principles? Through observation and experimentation. a)Things don’t all happen at once, therefore time exists. b) There’s no such thing as ‘now’- as soon as you mention it, it is not 'now' anymore, but instead then. So you’re using *past* experiences (i.e. observation and experimentation) to determine *current* principles of reality, hence, by necessity assuming the regularity of behavior. Sufficient regularity is an effectively reliable correlation, absolutely, but that doesn’t demonstrate certitude. Assumptions are requisite for engaging with reality, not ‘apologetic’. Besides, you were attempting to define science, Firas was simply explaining its underlying paradigm- you’re barking up the wrong tree.
@Haunting1981 you clearly don't understand the first thing about the philosophy of science. How do you test a hypothesis? The scientific method relies completely on the future acting like the past
The most impressive thing about Firas isn't the depth of his knowledge regarding philosophy, it's how clearly and concisely he's able to transmit those ideas to a layman. It's not hard to see why he's one of the great sports coaches of recent times.
@@pnut3844able his not crazy his part of the intellectual elite of our generation if you want to learn anything in life you go to the best so humble your self and pick someone who can explain the world to you.
I watched this many times to fully grasp what he saying. This is one of the smartest humans I’ve listened too. I literally felt a gap open in my head 👏🏾
It sounds smart when he is explaining it to a dumb person. It makes absolute sense that there is no scientific FACT, just hypothesis based on historical events.
@@manbiteslife3110 y'all are conflating fact with probability. Science itself says there are no absolutes, but that gravity, for example, is 99.999999% probable.
@Bink* not, science is theory, hypothesis, models, experiments and data analysis. If you you add scientists as person and institutions you will have politics and religion also. Don't confuse hypothesis with theory.
@@leliel12th43 I agree with you, but a theory can be both weak and strong. It wasn't until the last century that everyone believe in the theory that the universe was static and infinite with no beginning or end. Science will either weaken or strengthen existing theories, but we can not treat them as fact.
Something else Science is not . . History! Why some atheist scientists think they can discover the Truth of our origins by playing at being Historians is beyond me! What is the point of trying to prove the big bang or some other universe origin theory? Or the evolution of man from nothing into sentient life that makes cars, buildings, computers and stuff??? So desperate to throw God out of the "equation" (really, there is no equation that can contain God), eh? As far as I'm concerned, The Purpose of Science is to gain enough understanding of how things work and what its made of, to develop Technology to better the human race (and maybe better some animals too) Leave the History to the Historians!
Right, like when this clown doesn't know the fucking difference between 'reflection' and 'refraction'? 56:07 - he says it not once, but twice. He's a fucking moron and so are you if you're falling for this faux-intellectualism
allrequiredfields Um.... Firas Zahabi said "the reflection of the light off the water is bent." He wasn't defining refraction. He was saying what we observe. Refraction is bending of light. The light bends in water due to change in medium and we see a reflection of it. We observe light because of reflection. That is why we can't see in a dark room. Anyhow Joe Rogan is pretty smart also in my opinion.
c'mon... what your proposing is preposterous... he arguably knows a great deal more than your average person... which is why he is able to have these kind of conversations. he may nod his head in understanding sometimes when contrary but on average who doesn't! give the guy more credit! (my opinion and potentially wrong)
What Firas is saying and I share, is that our level of science just takes us to a limited explanation of physics and "reality". As time passes I hope our knowledge continues to keep building up and come with better explanations for different phenomena that our scientific knowledge just can't explain at the moment. Probably when we have quantum computers we're goong to be able to generate experiments that prove different things that at the moment we just can't, only have different theories about stuff.
What Firas is talking about is about the philosophy of science (eg Hume). He is saying that the current scientific "facts" hinge on the next big scientific discovery; so in the grand scheme of things, we do not really know anything.
@@manchesterunited4619 Yes man,nothing beats fair play like justifying and defending rapists by arguing "BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER RAPISTS AND PEDOPHILES??"
@@lancevance6346 Lmao, you weren't even able to understand what he said. He said you were the pedophile and wasn't trying to defend anyone. He never talked about other rapists and pedophiles. Well, what can I expect from a joker with no morals. If don't know watch the Dark Knight.
The summary of this conversation is that you are lost in this world until you recognize Allah as your creator. For Allah is the ultimate reality. He is the Truth, The All Knowing. And if you want to be grounded in reality and see the truth of this world, then you have to submit to the creator. Otherwise you’re just flopping from one place to another until you die.
@@dickfitswell3437 So you are reading comments simultaniously with playing a vid. That kinda decreases the quality of both ngl. Although I certainly just watched it to the end only to see how long he's gna be confused.
@@raymo189ikes! Peterson doesn't understand philosophy. He doesn't understand anything other than psychology. Maybe he's a good clinician too. That's about it. He's a good orator who has Prof in front of his name and spoke out about something that many people believe but no one represents their view in the mainstream discourse, which JP did, this won over a big audience.
@@elevatorincident9519 because you're looking at it from a philosophical pov. Every chemist and physicist is watching this and grinding their teeth to the gum
Frias's philosophy about science is what's wrong with his argument completely. Science wasn't constructed to be a way of life but a tool to rationalize our world through empirical and logical evidence. His "woo woo" is his perspective on how he chooses to see the world.
@@KatameWazaBushi You got some unresolved tensions with Muslims you wanna get off your chest bro? We both understood his thought process. You can understand what someone is trying to communicate to you and still have a differing opinion. It's funny because that's exactly what's going on in this comment thread right now. I understood what both of them were saying, and while you may or may not understand physics, you're clearly missing the larger philosophical discussion being had here. Here's a big one: being able to understand or entertain ideas without subscribing to them. Why are you targeting me anyway? I made the most passive comment in this entire comment section. You flex though bro, if it makes you feel better.
The same happens to me. It’s incredible how our perspective changes a lot when we try to look at reality based on this way of thinking and observing reality. In fact, nothing is random, but what really frightens me is the idea of how our consciousness crazily believes or perhaps on purpose it was made to be conditioned to believe that it’s in control of every single aspect of decisions that are made by ourselves consciously, otherwise, life would entirely lose its sense.
@@joeking8789Like you just said “there are things” therefore, it’s not applicable to everything. Quantum mechanics brought up various interesting profound understanding of several stuff, but I don’t think that it has proven that what the guy said in the interview isn’t valid at all. What we call “ random” doesn’t mean it’s surely an infinite state of randomness, but like he suggested it might simply mean we are not yet able to calculate. Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random.
@@jes8253 " Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random." Yes and in quantum mechanics, electrons have been shown to act randomly, by your own definition.
He has a good point. We accept what the scientists and experts tell us and we believe them without questions we assume that it's a proven fact that they are telling us but once you go a little deeper you will find that many of the things we believe have changed over time because they were proven wrong and forced to change because they are often based on assumptions and they assumptions made to come to the conclusion are all made in favor of reaching the desired outcome of whoever is funding the study
When the bald guy realizes he can handle the convo without the woo woo. The “woo” was preventing his comprehension of the points and their depth. It was in his head all this time and he kept asking where is it?
@Jacob Carlson You and @Ghost are being pedantic. I'm an Engineer. If I went as crazy as you every time someone described some concept slightly incorrectly I'd have a stroke by now. Learn to let things go.
I don’t think Joe can get past the fact that our current level of knowledge will, in the future, be looked upon as we look upon our level of knowledge in the past.
Firas is such a patient man its truly amazing because i understood it the fast time he said it and he made joe take a loop to just end up on something he was saying from the start. what conversation because joe stays on the offense just to get more and more clarity and abundance of information out.
@@suheilpinto6964 his point was that: the world accepted it was a pulling force, even though it wasnt proven, when in fact we now believe it is a pushing force. But still is can be believed as something else in the future by the same logic. Seems you didnt get it either, but im not surprised since you jumped on the Muslim comment which already shows your bias on the conversation.
@@suheilpinto6964 He has an inferiority complex typical of muslims?? What the hell are you talking about? Your post displays that you do not understand what Firas is talking about at all. It's really not that hard to follow, maybe you should replay the video and try again.
@@EvanUthus Inferiority Complex “Symptoms Fault Finding. ... Performance Anxiety. ... Craving for Attention. ... Increased sensitivity. ... Easily Feeling Disrespected. Now watch the video again and you will see what i'm talking about. You will find that some of these traits are being displayed when he was talking to joe rogan. And if you dont see it because of your ego, you urea and chalmango are fuckin morons.
I really liked the portions about how nothing in science is random it is all variables we have the inability to calculate, as well as how they talked concepts like water boiling at different temperatures. In the future if we were to populate other planets we would clearly see these ideas painted before us when our environment is different from what our science is acclimated to.
To put Zahbi's point into view, it takes one example to prove a fact wrong, whereas, not even an infinite amount of examples that support a fact are enough for us to be sure that a fact is 100% correct.
To sum up this amazing Firas Zahabi's exposition. Knowledge can not be achieved through senses and the interpretation of the ego, the only way to reach knowledge is through complete consciousness. And the only way to have complete consciousness is to get rid of the ego (or putting it in his own words: "chop everything that might be imaginary, inferred, logical, empirical... to take off all your paradigms"). This is the transcendent experience of the one thing (or enlightenment), and that's why he says that it takes a very brave human being to do that, because few men are willing to get rid of their ego. And this is why I agree there is a point where religion is true and science is faith.
Because we're not born brilliant, a good teacher in any setting is the same way because they recognize what's missing in the other person's understanding, not being entitled to the receiver to have all the information that they -the teacher- already have.
Nothing he said here was impressive or profound, most of it is just his own misunderstanding of semantics. He just hears or thinks of something and runs with it, until someone with the ability to think critically comes along and its all "Yes that's a very good argument"...
@@joeking8789 semantics looks to be the only 'advanced' word in your vocabulary. Perhaps you should go back to school or study philosophy, because you sound as dumb as they come in America.
I'm trying to learn about "orbitals" "diffusely". It's not so easy for lots of ppl to get everything other ppl talk about. It doesn't automatically make them "stupid" tho
@Mohammed Al-mawla I had the same experience in my AP Philosophy class back in high-school. Truly, we had a weekly essay to write every Friday and once the question was "How do you know you exist", and my reply was "if your reading this then that's proof I exist. This is a stupid question.". I. Got a B- lol.
what bugs me is Firas keeps ignoring the math.....Math predicted the light would bend around the sun,the math predicted the curve of space time and it still makes predictions we still cant explain..Such as dark energy or dark matter...its not dark it literally a stand in name for something we have yet to prove physically but has to exist for the math to add up....My point is i get what he is saying but i disagree with him when it comes to things math confirms or even predicts long before we could ever prove it...Black holes was only just proven to actually exist though we have had the math of them for 100 years or so......
I would love to see Firas and Neil DeGrasse Tyson on a podcast to debate each others thoughts. That’s the beauty of free will and humanity. We all bleed the same blood and need the same basic necessities to live, but we all think differently 🫶
Neil is not a good person to have a conversation with. Neil just like his own voice too much. He is a good Lecturer or a Speaker but definitely not a good person to have any legit conversation.
The way Firas explained himself was spot on. Sometimes Joe can be very stubborn with his way if thinking, as we all can be, but to the point of frustrating.
It's because Joes idea of wuu and Firas idea of wuu are different. Firas said there is alot of wuu in science. Firas went on explaining why. Mean while Joe is like what? How is that wuu where is the wuu. And Firas kept going. They engaged in a huge conversation because of a lack of agreement on what wuu is.
Well of course, that's the way to go. He would be far more ignorant if he accepted everything Firas said. I'm sure with time he'll understand it. Firas just planted the seed, you cannot expect the tree to grow in one day
❤Love these types of conversations ! Thought experiments ! Thank you ! An excellent guest ! The purpose of a thought experiment is to encourage speculation, logical thinking and to change paradigms. Thought experiments push us outside our comfort zone by forcing us to confront questions we cannot answer with ease. They demonstrate gaps in our knowledge and help us recognize the limits of what can be known.
Yeah, too bad his thought experiment was entirely devoid of any logical thinking or speculation outside his preconceived ideas of determinism. Where did he depart from that comfort zone? I would have pointed out his primary assumption of a single causative action in the universe as one of many different possibilities. What about randomness, multiple realities, intention, consciousness as additional causative influences?
Niko Bellic well Joe is pretty smart in his own right, but goddamn Firas is WAY above him in terms of actual critical thinking and intellectual prowess that's why I love the guy so much it's not just his MMA and fighting ability it's his smarts and character as well but props to Joe for being willing to listen and not constantly shouting over Firas lots of people do that when they're presented with arguments they can't refute or have no answer for like Joe was here but he didn't and that's very respectable of Mr. Rogan 😊🙏
@@Saber23 So like the first part of the video with the dumbass gremlin nonsense, when Joe literally tells the guy how they measure gravity. Gravitational waves have been observed by us. They were predicted a long time ago, and then observed when our technological capabilities caught up with science. This guy is a pseudo-intellectual.
@@harleywhitehurst7108 I was wondering when gravitational waves was gonna be mentioned because frankly I'm ignorant on it but it was still an interesting podcast to listen to.
Same here, I think even Joe understood it, but for the sake of the podcast he pushed back. Otherwise there won't be a conversation and therefore no podcast. Really makes Joe's job much more complicated that I imagined.
@@virajchavan724 i dont think so, joe tends to agree alot with most of his guests which is natural since he invites People in that he respects and admires. Therefor i believe that in moments of debates or indication of scepsis/disagreement from his side i think it comes from a genuine place
Duality cannot describe that which we call reality. Our language is built on duality. We can't precisely describe reality because it comes before thought and language.
Einstein did not disprove Newton he added a new dimension to his theories that were limited at the time due to inadequate tools to test them. The fact that scientific knowledge advances with new discoveries shows that the scientific process is verifiable and not merely superstition.
why is irrelevant, "why" automatically suggest that there is some thinking being behind it all with a specific order, first you have to prove that's the case and only then "why" comes into play.
@John permeswar they dont know the difference between "how" and "why" they're either ignorant on the matter or they're deceptive. you can't find out why without knowing how, science tells us how and why is irrelevant in science, religion can't explain how but tries to explain why instead to fool people.
@@noelmalik5018 He really only is "questioning" science degrading it to a belief to a certain extend because he himself believes in a allpowerful being; a god that created the universe. He believes islam is true. A mythical belief system from 1300 years ago without any proof its actually real. So he isnt really genuine.
@@ponchovilla6189 You mean if i study the subject, not "document". Your english is off. And how do you know i dont know anything about the subject? This Firas dude questions everything about science but not his religion; islam which is a fairytale at best. Get my point?
My hypothesis is that soon the future will look like nothing anyone of us could have predicted, because I know it's something none of us have ever seen, but we are starting to.
What would they talk about? They live in different worlds, not much room for fruitful friendly discussion. It's like asking for a christian apologist to come on. Joe's not interested in religion and preaching.
ImmaSavage Bro Jo likes all types of perspectives. MHd’s style is not preaching. He is well informed about all types of belief systems. He is also pretty good in philosophy.
He’s spitting psychology facts, but as an engineer I can say he’s also butchering/misrepresenting a good amount of the controversial science stuff he’s bringing up
Your comment raised a contradiction in terms: Philosophy isn't anything to do with facts, It's about the discussion of ideas. Therefore, the chap in this interview isn't necessarily arguing that Science doesn't contain facts, he is arguing for the idea that there are alternatives to the Scientific method. I personally disagree with his argument completely though, and his assertion that Science can never develop beyond hypothesis is wrong. Scientific theory's such as evolution, quantum theory, gravity and electromagnetism are as good as Scientific fact. On the subject of gravity he's also confusing the knowledge that gravity is a thing with the as yet learning of why gravity exists. I.e: What is gravity exerting a force onto in Space? That question is still to be answered with the tools of Science. This guy basically needs to go back to school....
@@sammathews2460 you started off well but the comment about going back to school makes we wonder whether you even watched podcast? He mentioned several times that he is very much into science and specifically mentions that he is reciting the work of famous thinkers and philosophers.
@@pimpsli I did watch the whole podcast yes, and I actually didn't buy it when he said that he was a fan of Science, because he kept saying something about Science being full of 'woo' which Joe continually pulled him up on. I could understand your point if he was arguing mostly for the idea that Science was fundamentally flawed and then added a few arguments for why it wasn't, except he didn't, Which makes me think he had a bias towards his hypothesis. Again like Joe alluded to, Science is the process of refining and changing results based on the available evidence, even if that evidence doesn't fit your preferred narrative; unlike this guy in the podcast who wants the evidence to fit his narrative.
46:54 Everything is a pattern in nature that we label as something. Thus, can we say there is no such thing as an invention, everything is a discovery. Whenever we create something, we only come to discover that it works.
Pretty sure Joe gets it, but its such an impractical philosophy to own because you go around in life feeling like you don't know what reality actually is. It either makes you absurdly skeptical (like Firas seems to be) or it makes you more susceptible to believing or considering obvious bs as reality.
@@baltejbains5959 @Baltej Bains you can still entertain the philosophy and know what is "real". You won't doubt that taking the stairs will lead you to the upper flow, you will just have a different view on it (all).
@@baltejbains5959 firas is not absurdly skeptical he just sees things for what they are. he is saying alot of what people believe to be "self evident truths" are not even close to that.
@@baltejbains5959 firas is a Muslim, and unlike many other religions it's very pragmatic. you would be hard-pressed to find a debate about the Islamic god where an atheist "wins" the debate other than them saying "we know we don't know". and just like Firas (BELIVES) in science without the need of a 100% proof he also BELIVES in god without the need in 100% proof.
@@jkntrds9635 exactly, science can show what is wrong and therewith approach truth. Reaching absolute truth doesnt even matter for most fields, when you reach a sufficient level of accuracy then it can be used to do stuff. this is typical philosopher talk which in the end achieves nothing.
@@jkntrds9635 I dont care what he is and I honestly cannot tell from this talk alone what his intentions and biases are. Although I see similarities with science-religion/philosophy debates.
@@jkntrds9635 Really ignorant to believe that. He's talking about what science truly is and how it cannot be used to explain everything. Also Islam never says Science is wrong. In fact it encourages muslims to discover more about it. However if the only thing you can take from this debate is him being muslim then you really need to realize what kind of person you are
Eddie bravo looked into gremlins after this.
This is gold
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I just spit out my white claw 😂
His point was that he wanted coffee but Joe never offered him any.
He really does seem to want his coffee. I bet Joe drinks some great beans.
hahaha
Lol 😂
LOL
lol love you for that one
“Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past”
25:00
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
What a bar
It's because science isn't afraid of improving and updating itself.
Is just bs. That's what this guy said science is, trying to save face after slipping up, saying there's a lot of woo in modern science😂
This guy is a great debater. He's constantly telling Joe how awesome the things he says are to keep it from turning bad and keeping the debate from turning into an argument. Great way to get the other side to listen.
yeah i noticed that he was trying to get joe to listen and not let it become an ego battle
yes I agree and when Joe is getting a bit close to the bone I've noticed that Firaz immediately jumps train and starts a new conversation. He does this to save little Joe embarrassment and fatiguing the conversation@@fullsendit292
Yeah I noticed he kept convincing the person he was talking to... about how solid his idea is while avoiding solid evidence in a clear decisive response.
Its a basic sales/manipulation tactic and a huge red flag to anyone who knows to look for it.
@@jamesbaker3153is it really a red flag if the person is trying to keep the argument from turning hostile and bad? Would love to hear your thoughts brother
I think what Firas is trying to say is what Einstein was quoted to have said: "We must remember that we do not observe nature as it actually exists, but nature exposed to our methods of perception"
We don't see things the way they are. We see things the way we are.
You two rounded it up beautifully
einstein actually valued philosophy, its sad when people like bill nye call it a waste of time
@@PabloSensei the problem with philosophy is that it doesn’t solve problems.
@@thebeast5215 the problem with common sense is that it's not common
Philosphy professor: lets discuss determinism.
Joe Rogan: a fat guy goes Keto...
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🤣🤣🤣 nice notice! Fkn Joe 🤣🤣🤣
I was reading this when he said that 😂
Me lol
Firas
To sum this up, "The more knowledge we seek the more we realize we are ignorant"
Like he said, we dont know shit
I don’t know if I have ever watched or listened to anything else that has opened my mind so much, I come back and watch it every now and then and it still blows my mind
He’s very wrong about randomness
Enlighten us, Mr. Expert.@eduardofernandez9173
@@eduardofernandez9173 what is randomness then?
The guy is well known for making philosophy simple .
@@eduardofernandez9173 How?
Joe and Firas are having totally different discussions.
Joe judged Firas as a science denier, while Firas is discussing the nature of human observation
that's actually what was happening lol
Yeah lol. I realized it immediately. I didn't see him understanding really until halfway through, even still challanging a very simple concept over and over and over. Lol.
@@tylerblair7416 im pretty sure he understood what he was getting at he was just challenging thought to get more out the podcast
@@joeythakyd possibly. I think he definitely understood mostly. But when he kept saying what do you mean by woo. I just don't understand what you mean when you're saying science is woo, over and over lol.
For sure, I thought it was funny for Joe to keep coming to the defense of science, like somehow Firas was denying science.
For those who are interested: two famous Islamic theologians mentioned by Feras in the show
1- Al-Ghazāli ( Died 1111 C.E.)
2- Ibn Taymiyyah ( Died 1328 C.E.)
Oh, these clowns yet again.
@@fragileomniscience7647
Wise people read. Unwise ones dismiss.
@@fragileomniscience7647 they are not dawkins or hitchens
@@fragileomniscience7647 firas zahabi studied Islamic philosophy and science. He is a devout Muslim.
@@PabloSensei Dawkins and hitches are not very smart.
I can see tears of Atheists for who their new religion is Science still crying in comment section due to a guy with very small knowledge of philosophy debunked their whole fake belief in science🤣
The top 20-30 comments are people (mostly non atheists) that loved this very educational podcast/debate about the Philosophy of science and science while the new comments are full of unedcated, angry atheists calling Firas's explanations BS and talking nonsense about religions showing that they never watched this podcast LOL My guess is that this is too advanced for them even though Firas broke it down so any laymen can understand this.
These people are so uneducated yet they try to act as if they are the people of science. So sad.
PS. I came here from Twitter after seeing a Tweet saying exactly what you said
Sorry man, but your god will never be real, but your prophet will always be a kiddy diddler.
Firas is the best guest ever! This guy is a fricken genius. I watched this a 100 times. Love it!
me too
@@danielmpour3021me too read Imam Ghazali
me too man
"But gravity is still real........right?"
*Joe getting very nervous*
When u choose the redpill
What is real?
@@knmfujiwara I'm real
@@joeking8789 Are you though?
@@nicolasc682 Well I know I am, you know you are, but neither of us know if each other is real...
When you just hit the blunt but your homeboy been smokin all day
Underrated comment
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very underrated
nah this ain't smoke this is woke
Aaaahahahahahahaha literally
Best interview I’ve heard on JR. This guy is so interesting. Can’t believe I’ve never heard of him.
Probably because he’s famous for being an MMA coach. He’s one of the best in the world who trained George st Pierre, one of the best fighters there’s ever been
This is hands-down, the best hour in the JRE podcast ever recorded.
“Randomness is a reflection of ignorance” is the best quote I have ever heard
Help me understand it?
Genuinely curious...
@@MohammadImran-kv8ek I ended up listening to the podcast, Firas did a brilliant job explaining it...
@@wasimoooo Then you haven't read Nassim Taleb, the quote above is a complete nonsense!
Not even an oxymoron, just an utter drivel!
Joe "that to me is a hard sell"
Firas "yeah, most people can't wrap their minds around it"
Subtle burn
Nice profile pic
@@youssef5263 he used mine
Joe wasn’t buying his mumble jumble
Firas Zahabi is just trying to win... Observe it when he keeps on telling joe very proudly how what he's trying to explain is not easy... this is what alot of philosophers suffer from.. is they're trying to win.. they're searching for that ultimate superiority over people.. i have that.. its a horrible curse.. Joe was never even in disagreement, they were just in a huge 1 hour long miscommunication.
@@mrmasrawy92 Joe wasnt disagreeing cus he couldn't. I dont think he even understood what firas was saying. I get how you could see that firas was trying to win an argument, but its frustrating when someone denies what you're saying because they dont understand.
After watching this my whole perception of science is changed for my lifetime 😂
It goes even deeper
Enter Islam.
@@tarekelbarkaoui7838 what'd you mean ?
@@devendrasinghbhadoriya234he means to become muslim and by definition to submit to the one true God, Allah, who is to be worshipped alone without joining partners in his worship. Please read His revelation, the Qur’an and listen to it being recited, it will be like opening your soul to the truth. Just trust me. You’ll NEVER regret it.
@@devendrasinghbhadoriya234lol the comment probably came off as a bit direct but ig he's encouraging u to look into Islam if ur curious
Dude this is by far my favorite episode ever. I have come to most of these conclusions on my own but I can never seem to find adequate words to explain to people. Mostly when I talk metaphysics I just get frustrated and give who ever my mantra...
" I am you you are me we are all that is has been and ever will be. "
To me that is the one fundamental truth, the law of one we are all the same energy just in different states.
Meh.....
Science is a method that helps us understand the world. It does not claim absolute truth about anything.
The word Science is derived from scientia in Latin meaning knowledge. You can put the goal post down now.
Javascript Kiddie what did those idiots know? Theres a reason why that language is virtually extinct. Take any modern science class and the first thing you’re taught is scientific method and basis of hypotheses
The average person, takes it as absolute truth nowadays, unfortuantely.
@@lxuaes6915 bruh if there was ever anything to blindly follow in this world. Science is the best. Lol niw certain religions, another story.
@@hunterzolomon1303 What about intuition? You shouldn't follow anything blindly and be people love to pit science and spirituality at odds. Einstein was a deeply spiritual person.There's a difference between spirituality and dogma.
Shout out to the gremlins holding us down. Your the real mvps!
Man, what??? I’m sure glad their holding it down.
dude like if i kill my gremlin i can fly woah
I liked this analogy. This is what globalist are covering. I’m on it, I looked in to it.
That's bullshit all my Gremlin ever did was sleep all day and drink all night. Not a lot of time left over for intellectual pursuits.
loool..
That wasnt a debate ... That was a schooling.. so glad he mentioned Imam Ghazali r.a. and Ibn Taymiyyah r.a.
"Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past". 👌
No it's not. It's a set of principles that govern the process of determining that which corresponds with reality and that which doesn't. It makes no proclamation that tomorrow will be like today. What it does say is that IF tomorrow is like today then you should expect to see certain things. So tired of people reciting stupid religious apologetic nonsense.
@@Haunting1981 science rests upon philosophical naturalism which presupposes exactly that the future will behave like the past. That being because there is no randomness under naturalism. Keep up gaytheist
@@Haunting1981 No, it necessarily does. How would you go about determining those principles? Through observation and experimentation. a)Things don’t all happen at once, therefore time exists. b) There’s no such thing as ‘now’- as soon as you mention it, it is not 'now' anymore, but instead then.
So you’re using *past* experiences (i.e. observation and experimentation) to determine *current* principles of reality, hence, by necessity assuming the regularity of behavior.
Sufficient regularity is an effectively reliable correlation, absolutely, but that doesn’t demonstrate certitude. Assumptions are requisite for engaging with reality, not ‘apologetic’.
Besides, you were attempting to define science, Firas was simply explaining its underlying paradigm- you’re barking up the wrong tree.
@Haunting1981 you clearly don't understand the first thing about the philosophy of science. How do you test a hypothesis? The scientific method relies completely on the future acting like the past
@@Haunting1981this
The most impressive thing about Firas isn't the depth of his knowledge regarding philosophy, it's how clearly and concisely he's able to transmit those ideas to a layman.
It's not hard to see why he's one of the great sports coaches of recent times.
@Taimoor Khan To your ignoramus mind yes. To others who can understand or try to understand philosophical arguments. he's a genius.
@Taimoor Khan lmao your an idiot Taimoor
Taimoor Khan lmao 😂. @Mohammed Glal never respond to people like this. You cant fix stupid.
@Taimoor Khan lmao man said read some quotes he has a degree in philosphy
Very true, i noticed this as well because i have trouble bringing my ideas to other people.
I must admit I did not expect a discussion like this to occur between an MMA coach and commentator.
Firas Zahabi the genius
Joe is throwing good questions. Tough fight.
Joe isn’t the racist thug that some woke people make him out to be.
It blew my fucking world hahahaha Those philosophical explanations are insane...
Why? Bc they don’t have the labels of authority? Silly
My head was hurting just to keep up with the conversation. Zahabi is one sharp guy.
Sharp? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 dude is crazy
@@pnut3844able his not crazy his part of the intellectual elite of our generation if you want to learn anything in life you go to the best so humble your self and pick someone who can explain the world to you.
this was (for me) top 3 conversations of JRE of all time.
It’s these conversations that made GSP believe he got probed by aliens
Lmao 😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Underrated comment
The f is that 🙃🤣🤣
Goat comment
Really underrated.
You ain't lying
Joe
-okay, but where's the woo?
Firas
*Stands up and pees on the table*
-Is this random to you??
Hahaha
Pee is stored in the billiard balls
TO JOE HE THOUGHT RANDOM YES TO FIRAS HE SAID BUT NOT TO ME I KNEW I WAS GOING TO DO IT
IS THE TABLE NOW WET JOE HAHAHAHAHAHAH
WELL JOE NOW IS THE TABLE BEING WET NOW TRUE AND NOW IS
THAT RANDOM
I watched this many times to fully grasp what he saying. This is one of the smartest humans I’ve listened too. I literally felt a gap open in my head 👏🏾
It sounds smart when he is explaining it to a dumb person. It makes absolute sense that there is no scientific FACT, just hypothesis based on historical events.
@@manbiteslife3110yeah smart things make sense. Are you saying it’s not smart because it makes sense?
@@man7143No , I'm saying that people with mediocre intelligence will find smart things, extremely intellectual when they are basic concepts lmao
@@manbiteslife3110 y'all are conflating fact with probability. Science itself says there are no absolutes, but that gravity, for example, is 99.999999% probable.
This guy is a genius. I be listening to his podcast on his channel for hours.
That’s the first rule of science “science is not the absolute truth” you will never hear a scientist use the term 100% of anything
until covid.
@Bink* not, science is theory, hypothesis, models, experiments and data analysis. If you you add scientists as person and institutions you will have politics and religion also. Don't confuse hypothesis with theory.
@@leliel12th43 I agree with you, but a theory can be both weak and strong. It wasn't until the last century that everyone believe in the theory that the universe was static and infinite with no beginning or end. Science will either weaken or strengthen existing theories, but we can not treat them as fact.
Something else Science is not . . History! Why some atheist scientists think they can discover the Truth of our origins by playing at being Historians is beyond me! What is the point of trying to prove the big bang or some other universe origin theory? Or the evolution of man from nothing into sentient life that makes cars, buildings, computers and stuff??? So desperate to throw God out of the "equation" (really, there is no equation that can contain God), eh?
As far as I'm concerned, The Purpose of Science is to gain enough understanding of how things work and what its made of, to develop Technology to better the human race (and maybe better some animals too)
Leave the History to the Historians!
Correct brother, science is a relativist discipline at its core. many people do not understand this.
Joe has mastered the art of acting like he knows what he’s talking about.
How the hell do you think hes done so many diverse podcasts? 😂
Right, like when this clown doesn't know the fucking difference between 'reflection' and 'refraction'? 56:07 - he says it not once, but twice.
He's a fucking moron and so are you if you're falling for this faux-intellectualism
@@allrequiredfields man chill out
allrequiredfields
Um.... Firas Zahabi said "the reflection of the light off the water is bent." He wasn't defining refraction. He was saying what we observe.
Refraction is bending of light. The light bends in water due to change in medium and we see a reflection of it. We observe light because of reflection. That is why we can't see in a dark room.
Anyhow Joe Rogan is pretty smart also in my opinion.
c'mon... what your proposing is preposterous... he arguably knows a great deal more than your average person... which is why he is able to have these kind of conversations. he may nod his head in understanding sometimes when contrary but on average who doesn't! give the guy more credit! (my opinion and potentially wrong)
What Firas is saying and I share, is that our level of science just takes us to a limited explanation of physics and "reality". As time passes I hope our knowledge continues to keep building up and come with better explanations for different phenomena that our scientific knowledge just can't explain at the moment. Probably when we have quantum computers we're goong to be able to generate experiments that prove different things that at the moment we just can't, only have different theories about stuff.
"Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past"
And that the rent in the fabric between these two gives rise to what we call miracles by God.
What Firas is talking about is about the philosophy of science (eg Hume). He is saying that the current scientific "facts" hinge on the next big scientific discovery; so in the grand scheme of things, we do not really know anything.
Well I think scientists admit that they cannot land on absolute 100% truth
@@-Ahmed8592 ya broo
He is ridiculous and makes sense all at once
True enough.
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't explain and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
Not many people know that Firas has been studying philosophy for over 20 years.
@@lancevance6346 I haven't defended you?
@@1slamExplained You know whom I'm talking about . Live with that .
@@manchesterunited4619 Yes man,nothing beats fair play like justifying and defending rapists by arguing "BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER RAPISTS AND PEDOPHILES??"
@@manchesterunited4619 Thanks big brother. Come on Manu!
@@lancevance6346 Lmao, you weren't even able to understand what he said. He said you were the pedophile and wasn't trying to defend anyone. He never talked about other rapists and pedophiles. Well, what can I expect from a joker with no morals. If don't know watch the Dark Knight.
The Arabic scholars he mentioned - Ibn Taymiyya and Al-Ghazali.
The summary of this conversation is that you are lost in this world until you recognize Allah as your creator. For Allah is the ultimate reality. He is the Truth, The All Knowing. And if you want to be grounded in reality and see the truth of this world, then you have to submit to the creator. Otherwise you’re just flopping from one place to another until you die.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the LORD God of heaven.
@@hermonymusofspartawe love Jesus , but he aint no God.
"Randomness is when a human being can no longer compute all the factors" 🤯
Doesn’t take much to impress you I see 😂
So I'm reading comments and as I see the word randomness that word comes out of his mouth. That was wierd
@@dickfitswell3437 random 😉
@Lxnkzi what does Logan Paul have to do with this ? 😂
@@dickfitswell3437 So you are reading comments simultaniously with playing a vid. That kinda decreases the quality of both ngl. Although I certainly just watched it to the end only to see how long he's gna be confused.
Please bring back Firas along with another guest who has studied philosophy and let them just give us the best podcast ever!!!
Jordan peterson
@@raymo189 that would be Amazing!
@@raymo189 hahahhah no
@@raymo189ikes! Peterson doesn't understand philosophy. He doesn't understand anything other than psychology. Maybe he's a good clinician too. That's about it. He's a good orator who has Prof in front of his name and spoke out about something that many people believe but no one represents their view in the mainstream discourse, which JP did, this won over a big audience.
That would be one guest that understands philosophy
Joe, thinking he has a grasp on reality - but discovering he was mistaken.
Masterful Explanation, Mr. Zahabi! 😮🎉🎉🎉❤
When he mentioned Imam Ghazali he had my full attention.
Believe it or not this conversation actually helped me in my philosophy class... especially my report on Hume. thanks firas
Joe hurts my brain by how stupid he is
Well firas studied philosophy so i believe it
Nice
Now I want to watch a scientist and a creationist talk about MMA.
Threshold 2025 I never said or implied that you do.
And the vast majority of millions that are not
I laughed too hard at this.
Threshold 2025 it sure helps, if you want to be taken seriously when trying to "educate" someone 🤨
Sorting Myself Out it's not really that complicated for a well read person and an open minded person.
"But it's not a thought experiment, you're recreating the entire universe " - Joe Rogan
Is it me or does Joe look more like Shrek the longer this discussion goes on.
I come back to this clip from time to time to just break my brain a little and start over again
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't example and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
@@ibah6 what credentials do you have to say he’s wrong. I’ve studied philosophy quite extensively and most of what he is saying is spot on.
@@elevatorincident9519 because you're looking at it from a philosophical pov. Every chemist and physicist is watching this and grinding their teeth to the gum
@@dreamybull1509 science is not seperate from philosophy
@@bossman8066 what 🤣🤦🏽
Joe before this episode: Umm I'm not sure If God exists
Joe after this episode: Ummmm I'm not even sure if I exist
Hahaha
u didnt listen did u? Isnt that what they explained is the one truth? I THINK THEREFORE I AM
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@@MegaCharns NOOO THATS A WRONG TRUTH. thinking is inside your mind. your mind is in your consiounsness. you are, therefore you think. :O
@@MegaCharnsexecept that's not 100% true either. There are no absolutes, just varying degrees of probability.
This whole thing was going way over Joes head. He didn’t comprehend 99% of what he was saying
Frias's philosophy about science is what's wrong with his argument completely. Science wasn't constructed to be a way of life but a tool to rationalize our world through empirical and logical evidence. His "woo woo" is his perspective on how he chooses to see the world.
What an amazingly fascinating conversation. I have never paid attention so much before great stuff Joe:)
Firas was on point, I completely understood his thought process
Right. Joe was struggling. It was frustrating.
@@KatameWazaBushi You got some unresolved tensions with Muslims you wanna get off your chest bro? We both understood his thought process. You can understand what someone is trying to communicate to you and still have a differing opinion. It's funny because that's exactly what's going on in this comment thread right now. I understood what both of them were saying, and while you may or may not understand physics, you're clearly missing the larger philosophical discussion being had here. Here's a big one: being able to understand or entertain ideas without subscribing to them. Why are you targeting me anyway? I made the most passive comment in this entire comment section. You flex though bro, if it makes you feel better.
@@KatameWazaBushi no worries. Tbh I don't know why I took it so harshly lmaooo. Normally I don't. Mood tho 😂
@Taimoor Khan See above video.
Do you want a trophy or something?
That fact that nothing is random we just can’t calculate it blows my mind and makes a lot of sense.
The same happens to me. It’s incredible how our perspective changes a lot when we try to look at reality based on this way of thinking and observing reality. In fact, nothing is random, but what really frightens me is the idea of how our consciousness crazily believes or perhaps on purpose it was made to be conditioned to believe that it’s in control of every single aspect of decisions that are made by ourselves consciously, otherwise, life would entirely lose its sense.
@Jason Hatfield Who’s John Bell? Did he debunk the determinist theory? 🤔
It's a cute theory, but in quantum mechanics it's has been found there are things that behave by definition randomly. So he's wrong.
@@joeking8789Like you just said “there are things” therefore, it’s not applicable to everything. Quantum mechanics brought up various interesting profound understanding of several stuff, but I don’t think that it has proven that what the guy said in the interview isn’t valid at all. What we call “ random” doesn’t mean it’s surely an infinite state of randomness, but like he suggested it might simply mean we are not yet able to calculate. Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random.
@@jes8253 " Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random."
Yes and in quantum mechanics, electrons have been shown to act randomly, by your own definition.
He has a good point. We accept what the scientists and experts tell us and we believe them without questions we assume that it's a proven fact that they are telling us but once you go a little deeper you will find that many of the things we believe have changed over time because they were proven wrong and forced to change because they are often based on assumptions and they assumptions made to come to the conclusion are all made in favor of reaching the desired outcome of whoever is funding the study
Joe man, when are you gonna have this guy back
When the bald guy realizes he can handle the convo without the woo woo.
The “woo” was preventing his comprehension of the points and their depth.
It was in his head all this time and he kept asking where is it?
@Iahi Ghusak that is not true, science at a philosophical level is different from what a person thinks of in a daily conversation.
abdul malik November
@@terrybyrd5951 thanks bro
@Jacob Carlson You and @Ghost are being pedantic. I'm an Engineer. If I went as crazy as you every time someone described some concept slightly incorrectly I'd have a stroke by now. Learn to let things go.
I don’t think Joe can get past the fact that our current level of knowledge will, in the future, be looked upon as we look upon our level of knowledge in the past.
Exactly. Rogan is the biggest scientism worshipper there is. Almost fanatical tbh.
Deeep...
Indeed!
He said that, he literally said are ideas grow and advance everyday.
Exactly
Firas is such a patient man its truly amazing because i understood it the fast time he said it and he made joe take a loop to just end up on something he was saying from the start. what conversation because joe stays on the offense just to get more and more clarity and abundance of information out.
This guy is a hero... finally someone has balls to say things as they are. Kudos.
Everyone asking where is the wu
But no one asking how is the wu.
I'll do you one better. WHY is the wu?
@@nickhewes6860 Ill do u one even better : who is the Wu
Wu Tang
@@khan_senpai those Chinese fellers from the third century
@@johnnycomelately9400 lol... wooooooooooooooo. sorry.. wuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
joe not getting Firas's point is hurting my brain
@@suheilpinto6964 his point was that: the world accepted it was a pulling force, even though it wasnt proven, when in fact we now believe it is a pushing force. But still is can be believed as something else in the future by the same logic.
Seems you didnt get it either, but im not surprised since you jumped on the Muslim comment which already shows your bias on the conversation.
@@suheilpinto6964 He has an inferiority complex typical of muslims?? What the hell are you talking about? Your post displays that you do not understand what Firas is talking about at all. It's really not that hard to follow, maybe you should replay the video and try again.
@@EvanUthus
Inferiority Complex “Symptoms Fault Finding. ...
Performance Anxiety. ...
Craving for Attention. ...
Increased sensitivity. ...
Easily Feeling Disrespected.
Now watch the video again and you will see what i'm talking about. You will find that some of these traits are being displayed when he was talking to joe rogan. And if you dont see it because of your ego, you urea and chalmango are fuckin morons.
suheil pinto your such a fucking moron, like seriously wow you ignorant fuck
suheil pinto that’s you jumping to conclusions man are you inside his body knowing that this man feels all what you just stated.
I really liked the portions about how nothing in science is random it is all variables we have the inability to calculate, as well as how they talked concepts like water boiling at different temperatures. In the future if we were to populate other planets we would clearly see these ideas painted before us when our environment is different from what our science is acclimated to.
Execept when you put water into another liquid it's no longer water 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
To put Zahbi's point into view, it takes one example to prove a fact wrong, whereas, not even an infinite amount of examples that support a fact are enough for us to be sure that a fact is 100% correct.
One of the best conversations I’ve ever listened to. Every once in a while I come back and listen to it again
ME TO
Same
Yeeee I’m on my 4th or 5th listen
Same
Sameeee
Pop Smoke would be impressed with all this "Woo" talk
Bruh 😂🤣
Son....... 😂😂😂😂😂
47:34
Lmao
you mean Rick Flair right?
To sum up this amazing Firas Zahabi's exposition. Knowledge can not be achieved through senses and the interpretation of the ego, the only way to reach knowledge is through complete consciousness. And the only way to have complete consciousness is to get rid of the ego (or putting it in his own words: "chop everything that might be imaginary, inferred, logical, empirical... to take off all your paradigms"). This is the transcendent experience of the one thing (or enlightenment), and that's why he says that it takes a very brave human being to do that, because few men are willing to get rid of their ego. And this is why I agree there is a point where religion is true and science is faith.
To God the world is not random because he has all the information!
This person gets it.
Firas is so patient with his explanations. It’s admirable.
Because we're not born brilliant, a good teacher in any setting is the same way because they recognize what's missing in the other person's understanding, not being entitled to the receiver to have all the information that they -the teacher- already have.
And still makes no sense at the end
@@666Havers ?
@@artsyjoe94
C00ppllp
Joe is in way over his head
This was like Joe and Firas's minds were doing Jiu Jitsu with each other.
🤣🤣
underrated comment
And Firas won flawlessly lol
😂😂😂 Yeah; Right? 🤣🤣🤣
Firas is really trying to Mind fuck Joe Rogan but he keeps reorganizing the phrases to keep it as understood as possible.
Determinism is absolute and free will is an understanding . Absolute science if applied to both , it will not contradict either .
I think this is my favorite conversation I’ve ever heard so far in life
That's sad.
@@pnut3844able please enlighten me then pnut I greatly anticipate your fabled wisdom
@@pnut3844able that’s what I thought you pissant troglodyte
As an athlete and student of knowledge I consider this video is the best informative and entertaining video on UA-cam
Who else is on a Firas marathon? I'm learning so much.
Not so much...his worldview is incoherent
Love and respect for firas bro
Nothing he said here was impressive or profound, most of it is just his own misunderstanding of semantics. He just hears or thinks of something and runs with it, until someone with the ability to think critically comes along and its all "Yes that's a very good argument"...
@@joeking8789 semantics looks to be the only 'advanced' word in your vocabulary. Perhaps you should go back to school or study philosophy, because you sound as dumb as they come in America.
@@MrHabib135 Why are you gay for Firas? Ewwww
You can literally see Joe's mind collapsing in upon itself during this podcast..
Lol yeah it's incredible, I'm surprised he had a guy like this on
I wanna be a learner
- Brian Regan
I'm trying to learn about "orbitals" "diffusely". It's not so easy for lots of ppl to get everything other ppl talk about. It doesn't automatically make them "stupid" tho
@Mohammed Al-mawla I had the same experience in my AP Philosophy class back in high-school. Truly, we had a weekly essay to write every Friday and once the question was "How do you know you exist", and my reply was "if your reading this then that's proof I exist. This is a stupid question.". I. Got a B- lol.
what bugs me is Firas keeps ignoring the math.....Math predicted the light would bend around the sun,the math predicted the curve of space time and it still makes predictions we still cant explain..Such as dark energy or dark matter...its not dark it literally a stand in name for something we have yet to prove physically but has to exist for the math to add up....My point is i get what he is saying but i disagree with him when it comes to things math confirms or even predicts long before we could ever prove it...Black holes was only just proven to actually exist though we have had the math of them for 100 years or so......
"Let me give you a great example" proceeds to give me braindamage.
I would love to see Firas and Neil DeGrasse Tyson on a podcast to debate each others thoughts. That’s the beauty of free will and humanity. We all bleed the same blood and need the same basic necessities to live, but we all think differently 🫶
Neil is not a good person to have a conversation with. Neil just like his own voice too much. He is a good Lecturer or a Speaker but definitely not a good person to have any legit conversation.
Firas try so hard to create an analogy that can be understood even by kids, so it can be understood by joe too.
raichan abdikar hahahahaha man I cracked .
Very true, so frustrating
Firas sounded condescending, despite Joe actually having the better understanding of scientific principles.
Chris Distant i disagree
@@chrisdistant9040 you have that absolutely arse about tit lad.
Maybe GSP retired to avoid conversations like this.
Maybe he became the best fighter of all time because of having such a profound coach like this?
@@MM_Da_59_Spirit possible. Both are narratives tho
Actually GSP hangs out more with him since he's retired, they're always together
Lmao
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Would find it entertaining to see this guy and Neil Tyson in a debate like this.
Cannot find full podcast on either of Joe's channels wonder where it went
Holy crap, a philosopher combined with an understanding of martial arts. Firas is the Bruce Lee of this era!!!
He’s a protege of Bruce Lee
@Le Monke and who said they were? Did I say that? 🤔
@@paddle_smith What?
no
The way Firas explained himself was spot on. Sometimes Joe can be very stubborn with his way if thinking, as we all can be, but to the point of frustrating.
It's because Joes idea of wuu and Firas idea of wuu are different. Firas said there is alot of wuu in science. Firas went on explaining why. Mean while Joe is like what? How is that wuu where is the wuu. And Firas kept going. They engaged in a huge conversation because of a lack of agreement on what wuu is.
If joe didn't press him and just agreed we would not have gotten such an in depth response.
thats the way to go, man
@Cassini Jr. ahahahah
@@guerothepail3526 well actually, their concept of wu is pretty much the same guess you don't understand it either..
Science and Faith are a lot more similar than people think, if you really think about it.
One of the best hour convos Iv heard.
Jamie getting fired for pulling up that video of items not getting wet
😂
Joe can't see the "woo" because he's fully engaged in it, and is unwittingly proving Firas's point.
exactly.. Watch this documentary if you havn't ua-cam.com/video/OOuC5rOItwU/v-deo.html
Well of course, that's the way to go. He would be far more ignorant if he accepted everything Firas said. I'm sure with time he'll understand it.
Firas just planted the seed, you cannot expect the tree to grow in one day
Its called advanced philosophy. But id give Joe credit on his first go he’s the only podcaster to stay on track in a conversation of this magnitude
@Le Monke No.
@@artaxAF yes.
this whole conversation is basically “if a tree falls in the woods and u dont hear it did it fall”
You have no clue what they're talking about
No you are wrong, dont open your mouth ever again.
low iq issue lmao
❤Love these types of conversations ! Thought experiments ! Thank you ! An excellent guest !
The purpose of a thought experiment is to encourage speculation, logical thinking and to change paradigms. Thought experiments push us outside our comfort zone by forcing us to confront questions we cannot answer with ease. They demonstrate gaps in our knowledge and help us recognize the limits of what can be known.
Yeah, too bad his thought experiment was entirely devoid of any logical thinking or speculation outside his preconceived ideas of determinism. Where did he depart from that comfort zone? I would have pointed out his primary assumption of a single causative action in the universe as one of many different possibilities. What about randomness, multiple realities, intention, consciousness as additional causative influences?
When a pseudo-intellectual gets challenged by a real intellectual
Niko Bellic well Joe is pretty smart in his own right, but goddamn Firas is WAY above him in terms of actual critical thinking and intellectual prowess that's why I love the guy so much it's not just his MMA and fighting ability it's his smarts and character as well but props to Joe for being willing to listen and not constantly shouting over Firas lots of people do that when they're presented with arguments they can't refute or have no answer for like Joe was here but he didn't and that's very respectable of Mr. Rogan 😊🙏
@@Saber23 So like the first part of the video with the dumbass gremlin nonsense, when Joe literally tells the guy how they measure gravity. Gravitational waves have been observed by us. They were predicted a long time ago, and then observed when our technological capabilities caught up with science. This guy is a pseudo-intellectual.
@@harleywhitehurst7108 I was wondering when gravitational waves was gonna be mentioned because frankly I'm ignorant on it but it was still an interesting podcast to listen to.
harley whitehurst that doesn’t defy Ziras’s point.
harley whitehurst how have they “observed” gravitational waves ? Not an argument btw just a question
Im no smart person. But I could see what firas meant the first time he explained this. Makes absolutely sense. He opened my eyes on this podcast
English is my 2nd language, I speak it well yet I understood each and every thing he said, he explains very perfectly.
Same here, I think even Joe understood it, but for the sake of the podcast he pushed back. Otherwise there won't be a conversation and therefore no podcast. Really makes Joe's job much more complicated that I imagined.
@@virajchavan724 i dont think so, joe tends to agree alot with most of his guests which is natural since he invites People in that he respects and admires. Therefor i believe that in moments of debates or indication of scepsis/disagreement from his side i think it comes from a genuine place
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't example and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
He's talking about the philosophy of science
Duality cannot describe that which we call reality. Our language is built on duality. We can't precisely describe reality because it comes before thought and language.
Einstein did not disprove Newton he added a new dimension to his theories that were limited at the time due to inadequate tools to test them. The fact that scientific knowledge advances with new discoveries shows that the scientific process is verifiable and not merely superstition.
You can summarise this whole video by saying "science can tell you 'what' the pattern is, but not 'why' it exists.
Not really lol
@@sharps8726 after watching the full video, what else can be said ?
why is irrelevant, "why" automatically suggest that there is some thinking being behind it all with a specific order, first you have to prove that's the case and only then "why" comes into play.
@John permeswar they dont know the difference between "how" and "why" they're either ignorant on the matter or they're deceptive. you can't find out why without knowing how, science tells us how and why is irrelevant in science, religion can't explain how but tries to explain why instead to fool people.
@@yungthug2403 you can already see the order of the solar system. The why still isn't answered and is still very relevant.
I like how he laughed off joes frustration and continued explaining without elevating his own heart rate remaining super calm and super confident.
Calmly full of b.s.
@@MrStaano How though?
@@noelmalik5018 He really only is "questioning" science degrading it to a belief to a certain extend because he himself believes in a allpowerful being; a god that created the universe. He believes islam is true. A mythical belief system from 1300 years ago without any proof its actually real. So he isnt really genuine.
@@MrStaano If you document yourself on the subject, you'd learn a few things.
@@ponchovilla6189 You mean if i study the subject, not "document". Your english is off. And how do you know i dont know anything about the subject? This Firas dude questions everything about science but not his religion; islam which is a fairytale at best. Get my point?
actually Joe has a lot of good points for science but firas also has a very strong point of view
48:18 it's striking me that you might have different ideas of the definition of the term 'woo woo' and it all makes sense.
My hypothesis is that soon the future will look like nothing anyone of us could have predicted, because I know it's something none of us have ever seen, but we are starting to.
Joe needs to sit with Firas’s friend. Mohammad Hijab.
Xa-xa
DEFINITELY!!!
What would they talk about? They live in different worlds, not much room for fruitful friendly discussion. It's like asking for a christian apologist to come on. Joe's not interested in religion and preaching.
ImmaSavage Bro
Jo likes all types of perspectives. MHd’s style is not preaching. He is well informed about all types of belief systems. He is also pretty good in philosophy.
That guy is a joke, cosmic spektic exposed him
Anyone who’s taken intro philosophy courses, know that Firas is spitting facts.
He’s spitting psychology facts, but as an engineer I can say he’s also butchering/misrepresenting a good amount of the controversial science stuff he’s bringing up
Your comment raised a contradiction in terms: Philosophy isn't anything to do with facts, It's about the discussion of ideas. Therefore, the chap in this interview isn't necessarily arguing that Science doesn't contain facts, he is arguing for the idea that there are alternatives to the Scientific method. I personally disagree with his argument completely though, and his assertion that Science can never develop beyond hypothesis is wrong. Scientific theory's such as evolution, quantum theory, gravity and electromagnetism are as good as Scientific fact.
On the subject of gravity he's also confusing the knowledge that gravity is a thing with the as yet learning of why gravity exists. I.e: What is gravity exerting a force onto in Space? That question is still to be answered with the tools of Science. This guy basically needs to go back to school....
@@sammathews2460 I agree with you
@@sammathews2460 you started off well but the comment about going back to school makes we wonder whether you even watched podcast? He mentioned several times that he is very much into science and specifically mentions that he is reciting the work of famous thinkers and philosophers.
@@pimpsli I did watch the whole podcast yes, and I actually didn't buy it when he said that he was a fan of Science, because he kept saying something about Science being full of 'woo' which Joe continually pulled him up on.
I could understand your point if he was arguing mostly for the idea that Science was fundamentally flawed and then added a few arguments for why it wasn't, except he didn't, Which makes me think he had a bias towards his hypothesis.
Again like Joe alluded to, Science is the process of refining and changing results based on the available evidence, even if that evidence doesn't fit your preferred narrative; unlike this guy in the podcast who wants the evidence to fit his narrative.
46:54 Everything is a pattern in nature that we label as something. Thus, can we say there is no such thing as an invention, everything is a discovery. Whenever we create something, we only come to discover that it works.
The egocentric predicament is what joe is going through and dudes trying to wake him up to that.
Pretty sure Joe gets it, but its such an impractical philosophy to own because you go around in life feeling like you don't know what reality actually is. It either makes you absurdly skeptical (like Firas seems to be) or it makes you more susceptible to believing or considering obvious bs as reality.
@@baltejbains5959 @Baltej Bains you can still entertain the philosophy and know what is "real". You won't doubt that taking the stairs will lead you to the upper flow, you will just have a different view on it (all).
@@baltejbains5959 firas is not absurdly skeptical he just sees things for what they are. he is saying alot of what people believe to be "self evident truths" are not even close to that.
@@baltejbains5959 firas is a Muslim, and unlike many other religions it's very pragmatic. you would be hard-pressed to find a debate about the Islamic god where an atheist "wins" the debate other than them saying "we know we don't know". and just like Firas (BELIVES) in science without the need of a 100% proof he also BELIVES in god without the need in 100% proof.
Baltej Bains impractical but the truth. How can you deny the truth
Sm how an MMA coach is the one that renders Joe dumbfounded after all those PHD's and intellectuals, Firas is fiercely well read
Firas throws the word truth when talking about science, there is no truth in science there are axioms.
@@jkntrds9635 exactly, science can show what is wrong and therewith approach truth. Reaching absolute truth doesnt even matter for most fields, when you reach a sufficient level of accuracy then it can be used to do stuff. this is typical philosopher talk which in the end achieves nothing.
@@TheDr00g if you read between the lines you realise that he is throwing that all science is wuwu narrative because he is a practising muslim.
@@jkntrds9635 I dont care what he is and I honestly cannot tell from this talk alone what his intentions and biases are. Although I see similarities with science-religion/philosophy debates.
@@jkntrds9635 Really ignorant to believe that. He's talking about what science truly is and how it cannot be used to explain everything. Also Islam never says Science is wrong. In fact it encourages muslims to discover more about it. However if the only thing you can take from this debate is him being muslim then you really need to realize what kind of person you are