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Destiny , I freakin HATE some of your takes on certain things but sometimes I freakin LOVE some of your takes on certain things. Damm You! Subbed. lol.
@@ajbones4207 It's a love-hate relationship but the reason I keep coming back is that Destiny usually keeps it real, so even if I really hate what he is saying I can at least believe he is not grifting most of the time.
ive said it and imma say it again, he's not a dumbass, I understand the only thing destiny has said about him is he's a moron in litterally 2 videos total, but when it comes to certain areas he's actually very knowledgeable and realistic
Ethan deserves mad props for standing ground on this issue. It could've been easy to just capitulate to Hasan as his co-host, especially with his clout online.
@@Kazamatigoh1221 I disagree, I would say it shows a stronger relationship to disagree on issues like this. If they just held the same, superficial takes then it seems obvious that they're both just farming views. I actually trust their platform more now than previously.
This is one of like 3 things Ethan actually knows quite a bit about. It's pretty funny to watch him actually spitting facts instead of nonsense for once.
I mean the dude literally just said about the Kai cenat riot, "It's just people dancing!" To "how dare the media report on what happened because it gives ammo to right wingers?" (so they should lie or not cover it at all?") Then it went to, "No youtuber could've ever predicted this would happen chat, stop calling me dumb for saying this!" To FINALLY end up with a hypocritical, "It was obvious this was going to happen all along. Duh". As if nobody noticed he just said the polar opposite hours earlier. Hasan is the king of Ls because he just can't keep his mouth shut & has emotional knee-jerk reactions to eeverything. If he'd just wait a few hours every time this shit wouldn't happen all the time
@@gamblorrr Its like those kids who comment FIRSTTT on every single video even in 2023 when its so dumb & pointless but one thousand times worse than them haha
@@frankmarano1118 I mean Hasans take on the Russo-Ukranian war about whether Russia would invade or not and the aftermath.... kinda says all about him. Such a tool
@@frankmarano1118I literally stop paying attention to this retarded ass arc when he put out the “they are just dancing” statement. If this is what happened, then clearly I saved myself a lot of frustration.
Hasan needs to hold onto Ethan and be extra careful. Anytime he has a falling out with someone his idiot fanbase goes after them and pretends like they never liked them. His fanbase is insanely toxic. He did a podcast with Trisha Paytus forever then after they dropped apart the entire fanbase came after her for shit people were saying forever. They went after Hila's brother for marrying someone Ethan didn't like. I guarantee those idiot's on his subreddit are going to destroy the guy.
It's a nice way of saying, "You're saying filler shit that will not change my mind". That being said, Ethan's argument is summed up to goal posting the argument until it becomes an argument about a content creator not having to reach out to tell you to do certain things. It went from "stealing content" to "you're gaining from someone else" (even if that person can benefit from your reaction).
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 nah it's a way of saying "Your weaselly little tangent isn't relevant to the issue we're discussing." Hasan had been trying to drag the conversation towards discussing the line between clearly okay and the gray-area. Ethan was shutting it down and bringing it back to what the zeitgeist is actually discussing. Ethan's consistent position through all of this is that the four pillars of fair use are probably a healthy and acceptable way to gauge the black and white and gray in-between when it comes to react content. He is staunchly opposed to those who exist in the black zone and thinks they should feel pressure to be better. That reactors who put forward no reasonable effort to transform the underlying content are committing theft and he uses xQc as his primary example. I don't think Ethan moved goal posts at all in this discussion. If Ethan argued against "gaining from someone else" I missed it (I just rewatched this vid sans the intro and rele bits to try and catch it). Hasan tried to bait him into the gains territory multiple times, though. Ethan specifically states he isn't trying to address live-streaming, where arguably the most gain is created by the practice of low-effort reacting. When Hasan asserts there isn't enough data to show the effects of uploading these reactions to youtube, Ethan responds with "It doesn't matter" shirking the notion that he cares who gains. When Hasan asserts the original creator can DMCA, Ethan responds with "It doesn't matter that they have remedies. It's not their responsibility to chase [xQc] down to f*ckin' remedy his theft." He continues to assert that xQc's position is indefensible in a way that is "Wrong, period, black, done." He keeps bringing it back to the spectrum of react content having that black zone that shouldn't be uploaded to youtube. Hasan was the one trying to pivot to monetization or gain. Ethan only shows concern about the theft, not the gain. He is someone who, in his own content, hopes to avoid the theft to create gain for himself off of other people's content, so why would he argue against the gain? Perhaps my bias made me not see what you might've seen, but I think he did an exceptional job of being consistent.
@@inplfw He is consistently shutting down the possibility that it's not theft even if there's no data to support that it's stealing from others. I see where you get the idea that he's "consistent" but he clearly regards XQC as a "thief" but then turns it into "creators shouldn't have to chase you" (notice how he used "chase" to make his point seem stronger"). The truth is that it's not difficult whatsoever to reach out to someone who reacted to your video and talk to them. And it makes it seem like Ethan doesn't like the idea of communication. This isn't even talking about the simple fix of DMCA'ing the streamer. This is talking about how a content creator can talk to a streamer about what they have a problem with and how to fix it (they won't have a problem with the reaction itself; that's a fabricated problem because ultimately it can only benefit the creator). For example, one could say, "Hey! I like that you react to my content but I don't like how you don't do x y and z". Why is this communication labeled as "chasing"? The only time this can become a problem is if this happens more than _once_ with the same content creator. Truth is, this doesn't happen after the first time. But I don't think it should be deplorable to have open communication about what they don't like with the reaction. The only other time it would be deemed "chasing" is if it somehow negatively affected their video and they have to go and tell the streamer. But as we know, this doesn't happen and it would be foolish to go after a streamer with no data (especially if there's data to back up the other side of the argument). I think he's "consistent" by the definition of the word but he "consistently" changes what he ags a problem with based on what solution/answer is given to him. It's not your biases only. It's hard to see this when someone is talking in real time. But if you saw DarkViperAU's tweets, he did the same thing as Ethan did.
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 When Ethan asserts that it is theft, he is not talking about audience capture, served impressions, monetization, unique identity in the algorithm. Ethan is talking exclusively about about theft of intellectual property. This type of theft does not hinge on any analysis of data. He shuts down Hasan arguing that it isn't theft in those other regards, not because he's unwilling to admit whether or not he believes it to be theft in those areas, but because "it doesn't matter" (notice how he used "it doesn't matter" because it didn't matter?). Whether xQc is acting improper in any other regard is not fundamental to Ethan's position at any point and bringing those aspects up only serve as Hasan trying to escape the conversation Ethan is trying to have. Hasan is intentionally muddying the water by capitalizing on the idea of theft is applicable to multiple different concepts adjacent to the larger conversation regarding react streamers. To rephrase, the aspects of theft that you and Hasan seem fixated on discussing have no bearing on whether or not it is theft of intellectual property. Ethan shuts down those lines of conversation because his focus is the theft of the intellectual property. As far as Ethan's position is concerned, those other aspects of the conversation only serve to obfuscate. Ethan is very clear he does not care to have Hasan's conversation. Hasan is spineless and vague when trying to avoid Ethan's conversation. When I say that Ethan is consistent, I mean that his stated value in this discussion is consistent. He never changes what he has a problem with. No matter how many times Hasan tries to run away, Ethan holds his feet to the fire by bringing the conversation back to his thesis. That being while the gray area may be forgivable as fair use, black is indefensible as intellectual property theft. Hasan isn't providing answers or solutions at any point, he's providing copouts. It's really easy to see this in a video because you can pause, rewind, check captions, and a multitude of other things to make sure nothing was missed. Ethan's goalpost started with IP theft is bad, ended with IP theft is bad, and was consistently IP theft is bad the entire discussion. When Ethan says "chase" he is being hyperbolic, but that's because he's juxtaposing Hasan's suggestion of "just dmca, bro" against the fact that Hasan is dancing around the underlying theft. The word chase isn't making any point by itself, it is only highlighting that Hasan won't engage with Ethan's complaint. The differences in our commentary on this conversation seem to hinge on one thing. My framing says that Ethan's position is central and that Hasan should be responding and your framing is the opposite; that Hasan's position is central and Ethan should be responding. I stand behind my framing for two reasons: not only did Ethan initiate the conversation but their outcome regarding Ethan's contention necessarily colors subsequent relevant conversations. To make a loose baseball analogy, you and Hasan are adamant that the runner touched all the bases, whereas Ethan is claiming a foul ball. It is if and only if the ump calls the ball fair that the runner touching the bases will matter. Sidenotes: if you think DarkViperAU and Ethan share the same position on this, you need to reevaluate how willing you are to try and understand the other side. Ethan is arguably closer on this to Felix than Matt. Though I will admit, I agree that Matt has been guilty of moving his stated goalposts regarding this topic since it reignited. Also, my bias is not that I agree with Ethan, because I don't -- I don't agree with either side in their conversation. The bias I hinted at is a hatred of Hasan.
Ethan used to do some of the most transformative react content out there at one point and after his legal battles he’s actually super qualified for this conversation
Hasan's obsession with remaining on good terms with big creators is actually beyond pathetic. How do his fans not see through it? Even his tone is shaky
Logically it makes sense for his fan base. The problem is he’s talking about topics that would piss his friends off but he plays the middle when his friends press him about the topic
Ethan continues to be the most unexpected and inconsistent W on the internet. Between his debate with Pearl, his debate with that RP kid, his interview with Keffals and now this, he has actually made me like him a lot. He's a lot smarter than people give him credit for when he's speaking on the right topics and he actually seems to do some solid research.
He's actually consistent with his Ws, it's just that people like to clip him out of context to present him in a negative light. Example, when Ethan called Tate a sextraffiker. People assumed that he was making false claims against Tate because of they disliked him. But the truth was that Ethan was one of the first creators to react to Tate pimping course. They explain the loverboy method 10 months before it all came to light with the arrest. That's why it was so disappointing that Destiny also called out Ethan for being and idiot because of that when he himself made the same claim when he reacted to the same videos much later.
@@risenjoker923 Yea, that’s definitely not what I was talking about. He’s had plenty of major Ls over the years. Falsely accusing F&F of sexual misconduct, downplaying the importance of physical health, doxxing a random person, etc… the man has no shortage of stupid moments. I like him, but let’s not kid ourselves.
@pepelechad536 non of those things you just listed are true at all. Those are all lies that were twisted because of out of context clips being spread around and people taking advantage that Ethan can be a poor communicator at times. Like he made a bit where he said going to the gym and working out is a waste of time then when they do the math it turns out working out is good, that part is always clip out. It was a satirical joke that he made yet it was clipped and spread around even though Ethan had a personal trainer and was working out consistently. His weight gain was due to his anti depression medication. This was a joke about "fat man bad". He didn't doxx anyone that was a fan who posted a link after the staff telling chat not to do it. Ethan apologized for the situation happening. But that apology was taken out of context to spread the lie that Ethan doxx someone. The fresh n Fot situation is also a lie. Ethan just reacted to the story told to him. That portion of the story did sound like sexual assult, Ethan was correct in questioning it. The woman said it wasn't and that wad it. What a lot of people are not aware Is that the segment is to have a fan call in and tell a story with Ethan having no knowledge of what will be said. It's a blind reaction. Even after all Ethan defends is that his reaction to thinking it was SA is valid and not that it is a fact that SA took place.
@@risenjoker923 Bro you are on some medical-grade copium right now. It wasn't an "out-of-context" clip, I watched the entire interview he did with the girl where he was blatantly saying shit like "OMG, that's so suspicious!" and making weird insinuations when the F&F guys... didn't drink? You can say that all he was doing was listening to the girl, but he platformed, reacted to and promoted her message and _very clearly_ insinuated that they were guilty of some sexual malfeasance. You can go watch the clip of him doxxing the wrong person yourself. He's sitting there gleefully doing it while members *of his own staff* are trying to warn him. The health clip I admit I haven't seen in context, so you may be correct. But given your disingenuousness regarding the previous two examples, I'm inclined to not believe you.
He speaks with full confidence regardless of how knowledgeable he is about the subject. When he talks about things he knows about he can be pretty based. Given his legal history, Copyright law is actually one of the handful of subjects he's more knowledgeable about than most people, especially your average streamer. Now, like everybody in the whole world, Ethan isn't knowledgeable about 99% of things, but he still speaks with full confidence on those subjects. Thus, not based.
Ethan is an anomaly to me. My early perception of him was good, although I can't exactly remember why. I think I mainly had watched some of his random skit videos here and there. Then he made a few based videos on keemstar and ricegum and other universally hated creators at the time. Then I distinctly remember a podcast of his where he talked about Micheal Jackson and was calling him a pedophile/groomer over information about him that had recently come out, which even though I'm not really much of a Micheal Jackson fan it didn't sit right with me. Then of course the much more somewhat recent debacle with Amouranth's husband and him doxxing the wrong guy or just attempting to dox people in general. Or him going after Fresh n Fit and bringing that girl on his podcast. I think his double edged sword is his confidence in his moral high ground. In areas where he is right, it exponentially helps him win good optics. But when he's especially wrong or goes about it the wrong way it ruins his credibility. And imo credibility is much more important than optics.
Say what you want about Ethan but dude has principles, he has no problem with contention against and cooking his own co host, Multiple large personalities, transphobe weirdos with welded-on clown mask, red pill dummies, willing to go to the mat/court on important issues, if something is wrong he has receipts for what he's done to try and rectify them. I get nothing out of saying any of this, no subs no clout, jackshit, dude just seems to have solid consistent principles. It's respectable even if you don't like him.
What? The guy is the living embodiment of hypocrisy. He only takes sides on issues when it suits him, takes on this big white knight approach til someone of that community challenges him and theb its all out the window. Believes all women, til they make allegations against him then its fake. He's a straight clown
@@Marshmellow3971 some of them haven’t been easy debate opponents though. Eg, Oli London is an absurd fool, yet has pretty good tactics for debates that are hard to argue against. Ethan did well addressing Oli’s arguments though
It's obviously in Hasan's best interest to argue for being able to react to whatever you want however you want because he has done similar react stuff as well and wants to be able to do it in the future. He's arguing from a biased perspective and has something to gain from getting people on his side. He's not being intellectually honest and having a fair conversation. Running defense for XQC is in a way running defense for himself
Accurate. Hasan does eventually admit to it, but he danced around the issue for a while. And Ethan, smartly counters by saying xQc takes it to such an extreme that he's the one putting creators like Hasan at risk, which is true.
hes entirely self interested. the problem with most of the "takes" involved with this entire debacle is they almost always conveniently line up with the easiest way for them to make money. if any person could choose to just walk out the door on their 9-5 and still get paid youd see people all pver doing it, but id bet they woulsnt be arguing its the right thing or moral thing to do.
@@tywilson3689 ??? No, people that don’t recognize their lack of knowledge and take strong positions are either stupid or arrogant. I’m not saying you need to be an expert at everything you strongly believe in but that if you really care about something you should read a couple articles instead of just looking at headlines.
@@tywilson3689 That has nothing to do with what he said. Obviously people aren't experts on everything, if anything, doesn't mean those people speak publicly with confidence, it also doesn't mean they aren't informed. Implying Hasan is not in the wrong because, "DURR DURR MOST PEOPLE DON"T KNOW STUFF" is a retarded take. Hasan says some things, where I'm actually surprised at how coherent it is, but most the time he is slogging through trying to come up with something on the fly to justify how he feels about something, because he probably hasn't even thought deeply about it. also im gay
Hassan positions on Ukraine and Russia have been particularly bad. As a European you would get laughed out of any conversation with the takes he has. He is somehow getting a load of Russian propaganda and bullshit sent his way and doesn't know how to critically grudge or engage with it. Even when he is proven wrong over and over he moves his goalposts back. It's alright to get things wrong, but we deal with it , self examine and try to do better. Not look for new angles to be wrong.
This shit really doesn’t matter to casual viewers, but I do hope we get a real debate with Destiny Vs. Ethan. The pro-reaction content arguments haven’t been represented well (regardless of whether you agree with them or not).
I would love to see ethan talk to Destiny, but like Destiny said, ethans producer kinda hates Destiny, because he is a socialist. With the produced shows they crop destiny out of debates and stuff.Destint called Ethan stupid in the past aswell Ethan seems to wake up on Destiny that he is not that horrible.
@@aragog0559 they love to say that, like what exactly ethan did in the past you missed so much about, cause some of there past content was pretty obnoxious and kinda cringe
13:23 Preamp boosts the signal going into a chain (ie microphone preamp, guitar preamp etc.) and the amp boosts the signal going out of the chain (headphones, speakers etc.). You even have devices like guitaramps that have a pre-amp section built in to boosts the raw input of a guitar before taking it trough either the physical or virtual effect chain built into the amp, then it has an amp section at the end of that chain that boosts the completed signal to be played trough the speakers connected to the amp. So yeah, preamp goes before amp technically XD
19:23 I would like to add to this that the video that started this all, The Lemmino video, was first recommended to me when it released. Because of its length I wanted to watch it when I had more time so ignored it. By the time I wanted to watch, which was a few days later, the video that was on my recommended was XQCs video on it, not Lemminos original video, even though I don't watch XQCs videos (besides maybe one or two in the past). If I was more of a XQC fan I might have just watched his video on it, thinking I would get something more than just the Lemmino video.
24:59 "you just have to create content that people want to watch, you can't game the system" Unless you just take someone else's good content that people want to watch and put it on your own channel, allowing you to upload way more good content than anybody else
Surprised me that he would admit that he is wrong on his own argument. Yes if there is not thievery you wouldn't be recommened stolen content. Holy fuck all these streamers are so desperate to protect their own bag while knowing that they are in the wrong.
When destiny says at 19:24 “I don’t know if i believe that if those weren’t filled with react content that they would be filled with something different” confuses me because Destiny being a streamer and UA-camr should know how impression slots work. If a react video wasn’t served in that spot, something else would 100% be there. The real question is what would be there which is a fair question because it isn’t guaranteed that the original video would show in that spot, but a video would be there to replace the reaction video. Also when he says it’s not a compelling argument, I don’t understand that either. Another video WILL be there to fill that impression slot. Now you could argue that the algorithm wouldn’t fill the slot with something the user has a high chance to click on, but I think that falls flat on its face too. You’re basically arguing the UA-cam algorithm isn’t good enough when in reality it’s incredibly good and has a massive success rate at filling impressions with videos that users have a high rate of clicking.
As you should? You want him to be like Xqc who randomly after 5 minutes says "chat chat ndwadniwaundwaiubdabdywabdawdwa yes or no?" then another 5 minutes go by and he mumbles some words and the video ends.
For August, something I have noticed recently is that when I listen to these videos in the background while playing games, the algorithm will play podcast type content afterwards. When I watch/skim through I get more "normal" recommended feed. They are definitely tracking if I am alt tabbed or have a video on mute. This is relevant because it explains Destiny's growth over the last year going on podcasts and debating podcasters. I am not alone in watching these alt tabbed. The algorithm is probably treating Destiny as a hub that connects very disconnected types of content that may not be obvious. It explains why random podcasters have been reaching out to Destiny for chats because they are getting here through recommendations.
This entire topic of discussion just makes me appreciate streamers like Asmongold even more. The man, whilst watching a video, seems to constantly input or react to such an extent that it rivals or surpass the total runtime of the video.
Asmon is better than most but he still uses the exact video title and thumbnail a lot as well as uploading the video on the same platform (UA-cam) often like a day after the original upload
The argument that I haven’t heard get out is this: React content does not scale as a genre. By definition it’s a parasite that doesn’t exist without a host. If there was all other content available everything would be fine. If there was only react content, it would literally be a recursive loop of react content which people already meme about now. I like some react content because I enjoy the personality or the perspective of the reactor ei. Destiny or CodyKo. But the entitlement Hasan and others have is crazy. You are sitting there watching someone else’s video, you are making more money watching their video then they are making their own video. If someone doesn’t like the idea that people are leeching off of the hard work of your videos I dont understand the push back. Irrespective of the personal benefit of the channel.
@@FringeSpectre I'm asking what is the entitlement? He's talking like the video is about Destiny saying that Hasan is entitled. Where is that coming from?
@@cool_guyomi9101 Hasan dosent even have a clear position he will bend like a rubberband if a person he like does not agree just watch the video its pretty crazy
20:15 no destiny, not "might be". There WOULD be. The amount of slots stays the same, and you remove the item. Another vid fills the slot. 100% of the time
I don't think it's very difficult at all to stake out what reaction content creator is reacting hard enough. I think if you're reacting to a video and your reaction contains enough substance to where it could stand alone as its own video, Independent from the video you're watching then at that point I believe you've achieved transformative content.
Yeah this whole argument around the "react harder' meme is so stupid. There is no fine line. It's very easy to tell which react content is transformative and which is not. Saying "that's crazy" 10 times in a 50 minute video is obviously not, on the other hand offering insight, opinions and explanations makes the content transformative and respecting the original creator by highlighting their channel and linking to their stuff is the proper etiquette. As a streamer, all you really have to do is actually properly engage with the content you are using. There is no gray area. Just respect the creators and don't be a douche. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp.
@@shuttttt and for the lazy people who cant. just drop that creator a line and send em some cash. if people were dropping 50% of their earnings while they were freebooting the content to entertain their fans npt one person would be arguing the morality line. at the end of the day the morality argument hinges on harm and its really hard to prove positive or negative effects. so just pay em
@@Senorbenignhillarity I think that any creator who finds themselves having their content repeatedly reacted to, especially by larger creators, should create a patreon with a "creator tier" levels. You'll have different tiers depending on how many subs the reaction creator has and then that creator would just have to pay the original creator that much money per month if they want to continue reacting to that person's content.
@@01man01truck the problem would be the requirement factor. the people who are usually "borrowing" said ip are also the ones least willing to part with said money. most if not all of their decisions or defenses of their own actions are all aligned with the greatest monitary benefit to themselves. thus i sincerely doubt leaving the option open to them will ever work...and shaming.. ya no public shaming will work as the majority of twitch viewers live in an entirely different world from reality.
@@Senorbenignhillarity I agree that you're probably right. And to those who don't care that's when you DMCA claim them. Unless it's transformative, of course, then none of this really matters. But if you're being a lazy shithead, then pay up or get claimed.
Wait does Ethan have turette? How have I never noticed him having a tic before. I clearly have these videos on the second monitor too much because I have completely missed that up on till now.
@@bibek12332 He doesn't usually save streams on his channel. You can find most of his UA-cam streams by typing "destiny vods" into Google. I use vyneer personally. And yes, he is liberal. He thinks he was banned for saying something about a trans person that got people upset.
It's sus to me how much nonsensical defense Destiny is doing for xQc. Destiny's just writing off the copyright infringement take of guy who had a problem with xQc because he's an "xQc hater". What? That's not an argument whatsoever. I also don't like xQc, and I also support IP rights on a moral level as well as legal, but the reason I don't like xQc didn't start with his opinions about stealing other people's work.
Ethan is going to have the same realization with Hasan that he had with Trisha Paytas. Where he realizes after awhile "holy shit it was a bad idea teaming with this person"
It's funny because I said the opposite when leftovers started. I was sure Hasan would realize how much of a bad faith idiot Ethan is and eventually dissociate himself from him but now it's actually Ethan arriving to that conclusion about Hasan. Real life does surpass fiction.
i mean of course Hasan has stupid takes. We all have takes other people find stupid. But trisha paytas is on a whole different level about the lying, the toxicity etc. I think you just are biased. In no way is trisha paytas ever on the same level as Hasan. Hasan and Ethan can still have a cordial respectful conversation whereas trisha walked out every how many episodes
This is such a braindead argument I can guarantee that at least 50 % of people who consume youtube daily watch videos from recommended and if the reaction version of a video came on my feed first I am going to watch that version even though I would enjoy the original just as much
@@aragog0559ethan himself can be incredibly lazy when it comes to reporting on current events. when he's not hyperfixated on something, he's lethargic and uninteresting. i used to watch the h3 podcast and had to stop bc he just wasn't engaging at all anymore.
Dan's "noo...." was so soy and I lost some respect for him there. Hasan rambled for an hour and said less than Hila who messaged a single sentence to Ethan at the end.
13:22 Pre-amp vs Amp Pre-Amp - brings the signal to line level Amp - brings signal to usable level past line level Mics generally use pre-amps since analog to digital conversion is done at line level. An external preamp would be used for more power hungry mics that have trouble maintaining line level with an audio interface’s built in preamps. In the case of headphones or speakers, they have a wild range of power demands so a amp is used to bring the levels up what’s needed. Generally, a pre-amp stage still exists between digital to analog conversion stage and amp stage. Just in case anyone is curious.
Not sure exactly what you are referring to but Ethan has never been attacking reaction content, even bad reaction content. He's attacking the deliberate taking of somebody else's content purely to entertain your own audience. He thinks it should really apply across the board when the 'react' is no more transformative than a watch party but thinks it's particularly bad on high effort and artistic content. He is angry at Hasan and XQC for thinking it's acceptable to play videos and then leave so they are getting paid as an empty chair, while another person's hard work entertains their audience. A Lot of the criticism of dark viper was he compared it to rape and was extremely hyperbolic. I've seen streamers basically agree with him but criticise how it was written.
@@hellsjamfleasthat's the same think Dark Viper criticised. It really just seems like a year ago, Ethan was just on auto mode defending Hasan because they're friends, and now he sees someone he dislikes doing it and is actually applying some more critical thought to it.
Using the "Home" tab is just completely counterintuitive to me, the subscription tab has exactly what i want from youtube: The content i am interested in sorted by how recently it was uploaded
Ethan did a whole stream showing XQCs DMs he sent at like 2 AM after the debate. XQC was soooooo salty. He was talking so much shit. It was so childish.
@@Syn741 ummm how does that imply that? 😂 if I said “I can’t believe he’s taking so much shit” or something I would understand… but yeah he was being a big baby. Acting like a child for real.
Hassan literally steals content o baby sit viewers with while he is gone. If he is reacting to something he will spend minutes walking away to do something else without watching the video. During the time he is there he sometimes seemingly is ignoring the video. He doesn’t care about transforming the content, he wants to keep his viewers watching without doing any work while stealing from content from others
@destiny I really dont think Dan hates you, or really even dislikes you. I think MOST of the "destiny censorship" on H3 is mostly due to Hasan. I watch a TON of both you and H3 and can 100% tell the difference between when they discuss you, including Dan, on every other show, except the Thursday show w/Hasan. Ethan would 1000% have you on live as a guest or whatever ✌❤
Preamp is a voltage amplifier that goes before a power amp that is current amplifier and gives the massive power boost needed for speakers to make sound. The cloudlifter is a preamp stage but still goes into another preamp usually.
I don’t think Hasan is too dumb to engage with the conversation, I just think he doesn’t give a shit about IP rights, but he can’t say that because his «brand» is contingent on appearing morally good.
It doesn’t matter if it affects the algorithm or if the “thief” makes a ton money from it or just a little. It’s stealing. It doesn’t matter if it steals views or doesn’t steal views or impressions. It’s stealing content. If you make a dime off someone else’s content and you don’t meet fair use, it’s stealing.
There’s basically 3 positions. 1 is it’s on the original creators shoulders to find and chase down people who take their content to try and get payment or have it taken down. 2 is it’s on the person who wants to use the content to reach out to the creator and get permission. 3 as long as it’s transformative enough you don’t need permission from the creator. I think 2 and 3 are reasonable, 1 is not. I wonder how hasan feels about taking peoples art without permission and expecting the artist to track down every person who does so and DM them and try to have them stop using it or pay for it, seems to me you should ask the artist first or pay them
I would argue that 1 is acceptable because it's the best system we have for now, as in, most convenient on average even if the original creators are "inconvenienced" (I put inconvenienced in quotes because most original creators are ok with react content). However it would be better if there was a system where an uploader could check a box that marks a video as "ok to react to". xqc mentioned that having a better system would be nice during Destiny's debate prep.
Love how you're making it seem difficult so that 1 sounds crazy. There's no "chasing" being done. And that's ignoring the fact that no one complains about their content being reacted to. It's a fabricated issue by people who don't get reacted to. The process is super simple and you act like hundreds of people are reacting to every video. Even if they were, these channels benefit from it. That's why people aren't going after everyone who's reacting. It's as simple as emailing/dm'ing the person who reacted to you or their editors.
3 is not in contention with 1 or 2, it's just a different scenario. If the work is transformative, then the original creator has no rights to it. The person who transformed it owns the copyright of what they made and can defend that copyright in court. They don't need any approval from the original author, and don't owe them anything.
32:35 xQc would be flipping burgers if it wasn't for the fact he was lucky figuring out how to stream and play minecraft. Now he is just a example of Survivorship Bias and the Dunning Kruger effect going wild. Even when "prepped" the boy can't get a sentence off in a debate, 30% of the time it's the same grunting noises he makes while reacting to other people's content. Destiny was really kind trying to help and explain it to him, but I can only imagine him being surrounded by yes-(wo)men, else someone would of tried to stop him debating Ethan (or anyone else for that matter.)
Destiny believes that react content has no affect on the OG video but here I am watching him react to something that I did not see on my feed, and I’m subbed to both Hassan and Ethan. I will not be going back to watch the original and I highly doubt anyone else does too.
24:44 that's probably most people. I remember people complaining about not seeing the channels that they've subscribed to. For me this is inconceivable because I watch almost all my videos from the subscription tab or by jumping from video to video. So I started speculating that they don't use that tab at all and use the recommended tab exclusively. It always amazes me how so many people fail to navigate the most simple UIs.
hot take but H3H3 has kinda always been based and the hate for him is so cringe. Dude has a stable loving family, made his money earnestly, is relatively anti PC without doing the fake edgy shit, knows the limits of his intelligence and is fairly consistent on most issues. Plus he's like at most a Soc Dem on like most issues.
I agree. I think he had a big character arc and is in a different ‘crowd’. He’s a family man, and a very open minded and mature person (although he does say some weird stuff at times). All in all I think he’s a good dude
Maybe I’m crazy But whenever I watch a react channel I never see the original creators in my recommended feed. I only see more of the react content but other react videos. In 11 years I don’t remember any original creators being recommended
I wonder if Destiny would now change some numbers in regard to his IQ tier list. Previously he gave Hasan "above average" and Ethan got the only "surely below average".
what i dont understand is how can a person do something that is morally wrong (steal someone's content for example) and justify doing it as ok with "it doesn't hurt anyone" and still think they are a moral person? Can someone help explain this as the only asnwer keep coming to is that they are a either a sociopath or psychopath or both.
The thing that you're missing is that no one is talking about "stealing content" here except Ethan. React content (not talking about reuploading the same video) doesn't hurt the original creator. People like Ethan argue as if it does, but it doesn't. Streamers who do react content are aware that it doesn't hurt the original creators, so they will say they're not acting immorally.
@@aenpien it "doesnt" hurt them that we know of. conveniently this doesnt hurt also reallllly really helps the person doing the stealing. theyve also conveniently not shown it always helps either. the people who watch it without transforming it off platform have all of the upside and use the defense of well it cannot hurt them while deriving all of the utlity (entertaij viewers get donations) start forcing streamers to either transform or give their earnings during thst video to the youtuber they are freebooting and watch that tune change in a millisecond
@@SenorbenignhillarityThere's proof of this but not proof that it hurts people. So the goal post gets moved until eventually, the person you're debating can concede the argument and say they don't care. Because "stealing content" is a lot harder to concede to than "gaining from another's content". That's the reason people like XQC say they don't care. Because it's an issue that doesn't actually exist and the only people arguing it are people who don't get reacted to. People started this drama because they're "defending" Lemmino who doesn't even mind his videos being reacted to Oh and XQC is literally willing to give 10× what he gained from reacting to the video of that's what the content creator wants. So no, they wouldn't switch up
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 the proof it helps people is either so miniscule or for pne off anecdotes tho. if you have 5 people it helps amazing. but that still isnt a rule that shpuld be followed. If people fkubd out that if you shoplifted constantly from walmart every now and then loss prevention people would get raises to go after shop lifters it doesnt make the theft better. xqc can say that all he wants. show me when he actually does it lol. creatora being fine with it when they are as large as lemmino isnt surprising. it wont affect him at all. smaller creatora are the ones where either the help or harm problem would have to be researched. until streamers are just paying for what they dont transform I doubt people will ever be ok with the current react meta.. itll bubble up again hopefully not with a knee jerk reaxtion from youtube or twitch
Reactors are the bottom feeders of content generation, but like real bottom feeders they do have a place in the ecosystem. Because no matter what you are, UA-cam equivalent stealing content. But by feeding viewers to the original creator you are improving their and your situation. They get more recurring viewers and fans I.e. more compensation for their work and more motivation to create the content you react to. But it’s obvious what you doing when you skip their in video ads, you’re just a parasite.
"a preamp raises a weaker signal chain to line level, while an amplifier raises a line level signal [1] to speaker level." For instance a mic is below line level, so a preamp takes that mic signal up to line level hot enough to be recorded and broadcast. That line level is too weak for speakers, so an amplifier takes the line level signal and makes it hot enough to drive speakers or headphones. A cloud lifter goes before the preamp, using Phantom power to raise the signal of a quiet dynamic or ribbon mic so it is a healthier level for the preamp to work with.
I started getting recommended Jubilee videos when I was watching reacts from creators that I'm already subscribed to. I also discovered Destiny through my recommendation because I was already subscribed to Peaches & Cream and Cream was on Destiny discussing some political shit. So yeah I understand how reacting could be beneficial. The problem is the barely doing anything in the reaction video I don't mind if it's streaming but if the reaction on streams wasn't interesting enough you don't cut and post on UA-cam that won't be your content that you're posting. The viewer should feel like their watching you for your input not just to see the video you're reacting to.
exactly. Imagine watching the same exact video again. VERY few people would watch the original content if the react vid wasnt transformative. Saying that theyre technically "not taking anything from the creator monetarily so its not bad cause youre not harming the creator" is bs. The creator put in the time and effort and said "yeah you can watch it for free here cause this platform pays me". Thats what the creator is fine with. Even if it didnt take away views from the original vid, youre stealing time,effort and creativity. The reason you cant make any compelling content is cause you cant put in the same amount of time effort and creativity as that other person. We can actually quantify how much the creator is losing , because imagine if you paid someone to produce and come up with a concept for a vid for your channel. That would probably be the minimum amount loss on the creators side.
Irrelevant if he's an xQc-hater. If I steal my co-worker's groundwork, it doesn't really matter if they don't mind/like me (they exsist) or if they don't like me. Excuse me, I must go steal a sandwhich from a bodega- the cost to the bodega owner is negligible, but the 10 co-workers who think it looks good (after I add my homemade dressing and avocado) are just bringing him more business. (Okay, I got lost on the way home from that last one, but I did have a better point in my head.)
This is a pretty good analogy, except you also need to add in that "I am driving more business to the bodega and nobody has been able to prove that I haven't so I'm going to keep doing it until I see that".
Hasan gives me the vibes that he as a IP holder would be so stingy and unfair with the fair use rules for reactions while simultaneously expecting every creator to allow him to do any degree of reactions with theirs.
because he does, but in his case it was for people mocking him with his own vids and copyright strikes.. dont think he cares anymore tho. hes at the level of fuck you money
how people act with FU money says everything about who they are as a person and if they are good or not. Hasan has proven he isnt a good person. I just wish his followers would realize it.@@Senorbenignhillarity
7:20-7:28 - yes because there is a large group of rich people who actively believe in biosynthetics to the point by the time theyre 100 so they will get to be young again / a cyborg and never die which means infinite time to rebuild. It may be a small group but we've seen how much a small group with a lot of money can do.
It would be nice to see Destiny take an L. I feel like he's on the wrong side of this considering him trying to help XQC, who is clearly wrong on every front.
Destiny would shred him.... Ethan's 100% wrong. The only reason he has good karma about this, is jealous people who are hopping on the anti-react bandwagon to feel better. Once people settle down and react is accepted. Watch Ethan slowly 180 flip on this issue, mark my words.
@@FringeSpectre What L, The simple graph that he couldn't understand? You learn this stuff in high school, hilarious how people think Ethan is cooking anyone. xqc and hasan just buried their own grave. It's like debating a child and barely winning.
Easy if you're not going to react "hard enough." Then don't make the content you're stealing take up 90% of your screen. Reverse it and find out how many ppl watch for you or the content.
Crowd effect is a pretty big factor for getting people to engage with content they otherwise wouldn't. The person to figure out how to allow content to be watched in groups with a common chat is going to make bank.
they already have it.. its called twitch lol. the problem they have is a huge copyright issue that will hit them like a ton of bricks in the near future. this is just the next cliff until the final drop off this annoying rollercoaster.
Ethan Calls Out Hasan And Goes GLOVES OFF! ►ua-cam.com/video/qlPJ6Av6S0c/v-deo.html
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you know how you watch anime, and they show re-runs of the previous arc, knock that shit off, this aint one piece
Destiny , I freakin HATE some of your takes on certain things but sometimes I freakin LOVE some of your takes on certain things. Damm You! Subbed. lol.
@@ajbones4207 It's a love-hate relationship but the reason I keep coming back is that Destiny usually keeps it real, so even if I really hate what he is saying I can at least believe he is not grifting most of the time.
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Good reaction, buddy.
Xqc and hasan are single-handedly making ethan look like a fucking genius.
>two people
>single-handedly
ive said it and imma say it again, he's not a dumbass, I understand the only thing destiny has said about him is he's a moron in litterally 2 videos total, but when it comes to certain areas he's actually very knowledgeable and realistic
Two people by definition, cannot "single handedly" do anything, but I see what you mean.
@@owenleal How would you word it then?
This revelation is concerning. Not used to Ethan look big brain.
Ethan deserves mad props for standing ground on this issue. It could've been easy to just capitulate to Hasan as his co-host, especially with his clout online.
They might not be as good friends as we thought
@@Kazamatigoh1221 I disagree, I would say it shows a stronger relationship to disagree on issues like this. If they just held the same, superficial takes then it seems obvious that they're both just farming views. I actually trust their platform more now than previously.
@@MadMagnetofacts
This is one of like 3 things Ethan actually knows quite a bit about. It's pretty funny to watch him actually spitting facts instead of nonsense for once.
54 minute video.
Shit on Hasan.
Slightly disagree with H3H3
Post it on a video 3 minutes after 🤔
It’s funny how hard Hasan tries to sound smart, only to be countered by how easy it is for Ethan to make him look like an idiot
I mean the dude literally just said about the Kai cenat riot, "It's just people dancing!" To "how dare the media report on what happened because it gives ammo to right wingers?" (so they should lie or not cover it at all?") Then it went to, "No youtuber could've ever predicted this would happen chat, stop calling me dumb for saying this!" To FINALLY end up with a hypocritical, "It was obvious this was going to happen all along. Duh". As if nobody noticed he just said the polar opposite hours earlier.
Hasan is the king of Ls because he just can't keep his mouth shut & has emotional knee-jerk reactions to eeverything. If he'd just wait a few hours every time this shit wouldn't happen all the time
@@frankmarano1118such is the life of react streamers. Gotta be the first to get your opinion out there.
@@gamblorrr Its like those kids who comment FIRSTTT on every single video even in 2023 when its so dumb & pointless but one thousand times worse than them haha
@@frankmarano1118 I mean Hasans take on the Russo-Ukranian war about whether Russia would invade or not and the aftermath.... kinda says all about him. Such a tool
@@frankmarano1118I literally stop paying attention to this retarded ass arc when he put out the “they are just dancing” statement.
If this is what happened, then clearly I saved myself a lot of frustration.
Seeing Hasan getting cooked by Ethan is a thing of beauty.
Pearl, Hassan, and XQC. Let Ethan continue to cook!
Ethan Engagment metric must be trending downward so its time for "edgy" ness and drama bait.
React content ain't going away tho
Hasan needs to hold onto Ethan and be extra careful. Anytime he has a falling out with someone his idiot fanbase goes after them and pretends like they never liked them. His fanbase is insanely toxic.
He did a podcast with Trisha Paytus forever then after they dropped apart the entire fanbase came after her for shit people were saying forever. They went after Hila's brother for marrying someone Ethan didn't like.
I guarantee those idiot's on his subreddit are going to destroy the guy.
I love how Destiny cackles every time he hears Hasan struggling to make sense. It's one of the few times schadenfreude feels justified, lol.
"I don't know exactly what you mean, but I'm going to disagree with you" is such a goated line in the context used.
It's what you say in an argument to someone where you know their main premise is wrong, but they keep talking in circles to confuse you lol
It's a nice way of saying, "You're saying filler shit that will not change my mind".
That being said, Ethan's argument is summed up to goal posting the argument until it becomes an argument about a content creator not having to reach out to tell you to do certain things. It went from "stealing content" to "you're gaining from someone else" (even if that person can benefit from your reaction).
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 nah it's a way of saying "Your weaselly little tangent isn't relevant to the issue we're discussing." Hasan had been trying to drag the conversation towards discussing the line between clearly okay and the gray-area. Ethan was shutting it down and bringing it back to what the zeitgeist is actually discussing.
Ethan's consistent position through all of this is that the four pillars of fair use are probably a healthy and acceptable way to gauge the black and white and gray in-between when it comes to react content. He is staunchly opposed to those who exist in the black zone and thinks they should feel pressure to be better. That reactors who put forward no reasonable effort to transform the underlying content are committing theft and he uses xQc as his primary example.
I don't think Ethan moved goal posts at all in this discussion. If Ethan argued against "gaining from someone else" I missed it (I just rewatched this vid sans the intro and rele bits to try and catch it). Hasan tried to bait him into the gains territory multiple times, though. Ethan specifically states he isn't trying to address live-streaming, where arguably the most gain is created by the practice of low-effort reacting. When Hasan asserts there isn't enough data to show the effects of uploading these reactions to youtube, Ethan responds with "It doesn't matter" shirking the notion that he cares who gains. When Hasan asserts the original creator can DMCA, Ethan responds with "It doesn't matter that they have remedies. It's not their responsibility to chase [xQc] down to f*ckin' remedy his theft." He continues to assert that xQc's position is indefensible in a way that is "Wrong, period, black, done." He keeps bringing it back to the spectrum of react content having that black zone that shouldn't be uploaded to youtube. Hasan was the one trying to pivot to monetization or gain. Ethan only shows concern about the theft, not the gain. He is someone who, in his own content, hopes to avoid the theft to create gain for himself off of other people's content, so why would he argue against the gain?
Perhaps my bias made me not see what you might've seen, but I think he did an exceptional job of being consistent.
@@inplfw He is consistently shutting down the possibility that it's not theft even if there's no data to support that it's stealing from others. I see where you get the idea that he's "consistent" but he clearly regards XQC as a "thief" but then turns it into "creators shouldn't have to chase you" (notice how he used "chase" to make his point seem stronger"). The truth is that it's not difficult whatsoever to reach out to someone who reacted to your video and talk to them. And it makes it seem like Ethan doesn't like the idea of communication. This isn't even talking about the simple fix of DMCA'ing the streamer. This is talking about how a content creator can talk to a streamer about what they have a problem with and how to fix it (they won't have a problem with the reaction itself; that's a fabricated problem because ultimately it can only benefit the creator). For example, one could say, "Hey! I like that you react to my content but I don't like how you don't do x y and z". Why is this communication labeled as "chasing"? The only time this can become a problem is if this happens more than _once_ with the same content creator. Truth is, this doesn't happen after the first time. But I don't think it should be deplorable to have open communication about what they don't like with the reaction. The only other time it would be deemed "chasing" is if it somehow negatively affected their video and they have to go and tell the streamer. But as we know, this doesn't happen and it would be foolish to go after a streamer with no data (especially if there's data to back up the other side of the argument).
I think he's "consistent" by the definition of the word but he "consistently" changes what he ags a problem with based on what solution/answer is given to him. It's not your biases only. It's hard to see this when someone is talking in real time. But if you saw DarkViperAU's tweets, he did the same thing as Ethan did.
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 When Ethan asserts that it is theft, he is not talking about audience capture, served impressions, monetization, unique identity in the algorithm. Ethan is talking exclusively about about theft of intellectual property. This type of theft does not hinge on any analysis of data. He shuts down Hasan arguing that it isn't theft in those other regards, not because he's unwilling to admit whether or not he believes it to be theft in those areas, but because "it doesn't matter" (notice how he used "it doesn't matter" because it didn't matter?). Whether xQc is acting improper in any other regard is not fundamental to Ethan's position at any point and bringing those aspects up only serve as Hasan trying to escape the conversation Ethan is trying to have. Hasan is intentionally muddying the water by capitalizing on the idea of theft is applicable to multiple different concepts adjacent to the larger conversation regarding react streamers.
To rephrase, the aspects of theft that you and Hasan seem fixated on discussing have no bearing on whether or not it is theft of intellectual property. Ethan shuts down those lines of conversation because his focus is the theft of the intellectual property. As far as Ethan's position is concerned, those other aspects of the conversation only serve to obfuscate. Ethan is very clear he does not care to have Hasan's conversation. Hasan is spineless and vague when trying to avoid Ethan's conversation.
When I say that Ethan is consistent, I mean that his stated value in this discussion is consistent. He never changes what he has a problem with. No matter how many times Hasan tries to run away, Ethan holds his feet to the fire by bringing the conversation back to his thesis. That being while the gray area may be forgivable as fair use, black is indefensible as intellectual property theft. Hasan isn't providing answers or solutions at any point, he's providing copouts. It's really easy to see this in a video because you can pause, rewind, check captions, and a multitude of other things to make sure nothing was missed. Ethan's goalpost started with IP theft is bad, ended with IP theft is bad, and was consistently IP theft is bad the entire discussion. When Ethan says "chase" he is being hyperbolic, but that's because he's juxtaposing Hasan's suggestion of "just dmca, bro" against the fact that Hasan is dancing around the underlying theft. The word chase isn't making any point by itself, it is only highlighting that Hasan won't engage with Ethan's complaint.
The differences in our commentary on this conversation seem to hinge on one thing. My framing says that Ethan's position is central and that Hasan should be responding and your framing is the opposite; that Hasan's position is central and Ethan should be responding. I stand behind my framing for two reasons: not only did Ethan initiate the conversation but their outcome regarding Ethan's contention necessarily colors subsequent relevant conversations.
To make a loose baseball analogy, you and Hasan are adamant that the runner touched all the bases, whereas Ethan is claiming a foul ball. It is if and only if the ump calls the ball fair that the runner touching the bases will matter.
Sidenotes: if you think DarkViperAU and Ethan share the same position on this, you need to reevaluate how willing you are to try and understand the other side. Ethan is arguably closer on this to Felix than Matt. Though I will admit, I agree that Matt has been guilty of moving his stated goalposts regarding this topic since it reignited. Also, my bias is not that I agree with Ethan, because I don't -- I don't agree with either side in their conversation. The bias I hinted at is a hatred of Hasan.
Ethan destroying Hasan is my new fave thing 😂
Jlp destroyed him lmao
@@narutolikestoes9028Amazin
Been a pretty fun week right?
@@narutolikestoes9028 JLP destroys everyone. He's a different breed.
@@narutolikestoes9028Amazin!
Goddamn, I love it when Hasan gets flamed. I wish it were it's own genre.
I hope there's a react meta around it too
I, too, hate Hasan
"It is own genre"?
Hasanwave.
*its
Ethan used to do some of the most transformative react content out there at one point and after his legal battles he’s actually super qualified for this conversation
He defended copyright on youtube and set precedents in court for youtube copy right
unfortunately, it doesnt mean hes right (because he isnt)
Hasan's obsession with remaining on good terms with big creators is actually beyond pathetic. How do his fans not see through it? Even his tone is shaky
In French we say “l’ami de tout le est l’ami de personne “ ( The friend of everyone is the friend of no one )
Naw bro Hassan just doesn't give af about copyright laws, not surprising considering he calls himself a communist
The explanation for Hasan's fan base I think is directly correlated to the unprecedented rise in autism
Logically it makes sense for his fan base. The problem is he’s talking about topics that would piss his friends off but he plays the middle when his friends press him about the topic
@@supernova7848wow i love that so much
Ethan continues to be the most unexpected and inconsistent W on the internet. Between his debate with Pearl, his debate with that RP kid, his interview with Keffals and now this, he has actually made me like him a lot. He's a lot smarter than people give him credit for when he's speaking on the right topics and he actually seems to do some solid research.
Remember when he took on Keemstar? I lived for that shit.
He's actually consistent with his Ws, it's just that people like to clip him out of context to present him in a negative light.
Example, when Ethan called Tate a sextraffiker. People assumed that he was making false claims against Tate because of they disliked him. But the truth was that Ethan was one of the first creators to react to Tate pimping course. They explain the loverboy method 10 months before it all came to light with the arrest. That's why it was so disappointing that Destiny also called out Ethan for being and idiot because of that when he himself made the same claim when he reacted to the same videos much later.
@@risenjoker923 Yea, that’s definitely not what I was talking about.
He’s had plenty of major Ls over the years. Falsely accusing F&F of sexual misconduct, downplaying the importance of physical health, doxxing a random person, etc… the man has no shortage of stupid moments. I like him, but let’s not kid ourselves.
@pepelechad536 non of those things you just listed are true at all. Those are all lies that were twisted because of out of context clips being spread around and people taking advantage that Ethan can be a poor communicator at times.
Like he made a bit where he said going to the gym and working out is a waste of time then when they do the math it turns out working out is good, that part is always clip out. It was a satirical joke that he made yet it was clipped and spread around even though Ethan had a personal trainer and was working out consistently. His weight gain was due to his anti depression medication. This was a joke about "fat man bad".
He didn't doxx anyone that was a fan who posted a link after the staff telling chat not to do it. Ethan apologized for the situation happening. But that apology was taken out of context to spread the lie that Ethan doxx someone.
The fresh n Fot situation is also a lie. Ethan just reacted to the story told to him. That portion of the story did sound like sexual assult, Ethan was correct in questioning it. The woman said it wasn't and that wad it. What a lot of people are not aware Is that the segment is to have a fan call in and tell a story with Ethan having no knowledge of what will be said. It's a blind reaction. Even after all Ethan defends is that his reaction to thinking it was SA is valid and not that it is a fact that SA took place.
@@risenjoker923 Bro you are on some medical-grade copium right now. It wasn't an "out-of-context" clip, I watched the entire interview he did with the girl where he was blatantly saying shit like "OMG, that's so suspicious!" and making weird insinuations when the F&F guys... didn't drink? You can say that all he was doing was listening to the girl, but he platformed, reacted to and promoted her message and _very clearly_ insinuated that they were guilty of some sexual malfeasance.
You can go watch the clip of him doxxing the wrong person yourself. He's sitting there gleefully doing it while members *of his own staff* are trying to warn him.
The health clip I admit I haven't seen in context, so you may be correct. But given your disingenuousness regarding the previous two examples, I'm inclined to not believe you.
How can Ethan be so overrated and underrated at the same time? Anyways, he has been taking a lot of W’s lately with pearl, xqc, hasan
Yeah, it seems he's actually learning from his mistakes. We'll see lol
He speaks with full confidence regardless of how knowledgeable he is about the subject. When he talks about things he knows about he can be pretty based. Given his legal history, Copyright law is actually one of the handful of subjects he's more knowledgeable about than most people, especially your average streamer.
Now, like everybody in the whole world, Ethan isn't knowledgeable about 99% of things, but he still speaks with full confidence on those subjects. Thus, not based.
You answered the question yourself: It's Pearl, XQC and Hasan
Hard to not win a "debate" against them.
Ethan is an anomaly to me. My early perception of him was good, although I can't exactly remember why. I think I mainly had watched some of his random skit videos here and there. Then he made a few based videos on keemstar and ricegum and other universally hated creators at the time. Then I distinctly remember a podcast of his where he talked about Micheal Jackson and was calling him a pedophile/groomer over information about him that had recently come out, which even though I'm not really much of a Micheal Jackson fan it didn't sit right with me. Then of course the much more somewhat recent debacle with Amouranth's husband and him doxxing the wrong guy or just attempting to dox people in general. Or him going after Fresh n Fit and bringing that girl on his podcast.
I think his double edged sword is his confidence in his moral high ground. In areas where he is right, it exponentially helps him win good optics. But when he's especially wrong or goes about it the wrong way it ruins his credibility. And imo credibility is much more important than optics.
The dude is just a tidal wave. Takes massive Ws but also takes massive Ls.
Say what you want about Ethan but dude has principles,
he has no problem with contention against and cooking his own co host, Multiple large personalities, transphobe weirdos with welded-on clown mask, red pill dummies, willing to go to the mat/court on important issues, if something is wrong he has receipts for what he's done to try and rectify them.
I get nothing out of saying any of this, no subs no clout, jackshit, dude just seems to have solid consistent principles.
It's respectable even if you don't like him.
What? The guy is the living embodiment of hypocrisy. He only takes sides on issues when it suits him, takes on this big white knight approach til someone of that community challenges him and theb its all out the window. Believes all women, til they make allegations against him then its fake. He's a straight clown
the kefals thing was cringe tho
Everything that Ethan Klein self-righteously attacks people for are things he's done before. He does this for drama.
@@AmyZonkers Example?
He's a jewish cuck. People just forget he's a huge piece of shit because he somewhat holds his ground versus Destiny's "arch enemy"
How did Ethan just grew from a non-debater to slaying everyone in like six months? :D
A rage-fueled Ethan is a thing of beauty.
Pretty simple actually, everyone he’s cooked is just a moron. It’s still a beautiful sight to behold.
@@Marshmellow3971 some of them haven’t been easy debate opponents though. Eg, Oli London is an absurd fool, yet has pretty good tactics for debates that are hard to argue against. Ethan did well addressing Oli’s arguments though
i still wish he debated crowder, would probably be the one divorcing lol
@@Marshmellow3971most people are morons in general. Hasan destroyed Tate in a debate, who is the biggest red pill guy. Ethan is above the average.
Ethan: "XQC asks Destiny for help moments before Ethan Klein debate that's awesome should I watch that?"
Dan, with zero hesitation: "No..."
Why?
It's obviously in Hasan's best interest to argue for being able to react to whatever you want however you want because he has done similar react stuff as well and wants to be able to do it in the future. He's arguing from a biased perspective and has something to gain from getting people on his side. He's not being intellectually honest and having a fair conversation. Running defense for XQC is in a way running defense for himself
exactly
Accurate. Hasan does eventually admit to it, but he danced around the issue for a while. And Ethan, smartly counters by saying xQc takes it to such an extreme that he's the one putting creators like Hasan at risk, which is true.
hes entirely self interested. the problem with most of the "takes" involved with this entire debacle is they almost always conveniently line up with the easiest way for them to make money. if any person could choose to just walk out the door on their 9-5 and still get paid youd see people all pver doing it, but id bet they woulsnt be arguing its the right thing or moral thing to do.
This shit is getting too meta for me. Now we are watching Destiny reacting to Ethan reacting to a video of Hasan reacting to a video
This is what you get when people don't engage with each other directly 🤣. We live in weird times
True I think we need David Attenborough to react to this video so it ties the loose ends
@@nickb1762 haha yeah…and even if he can’t at least we’ll hear his dope voice narrating it
Ethan roasting Hasan arc is not something I expected but am enjoying.
I do hope Hassan gets recognized for having strong positions while being uninformed on the same topic
Congrats you literally just described almost every single person on the planet. Most people are experts on either nothing, or maybe 1 or 2 things.
@@tywilson3689 ??? No, people that don’t recognize their lack of knowledge and take strong positions are either stupid or arrogant. I’m not saying you need to be an expert at everything you strongly believe in but that if you really care about something you should read a couple articles instead of just looking at headlines.
@@tywilson3689 you don’t need to be an expert on something to have strong positions.
@@tywilson3689 That has nothing to do with what he said. Obviously people aren't experts on everything, if anything, doesn't mean those people speak publicly with confidence, it also doesn't mean they aren't informed. Implying Hasan is not in the wrong because, "DURR DURR MOST PEOPLE DON"T KNOW STUFF" is a retarded take. Hasan says some things, where I'm actually surprised at how coherent it is, but most the time he is slogging through trying to come up with something on the fly to justify how he feels about something, because he probably hasn't even thought deeply about it. also im gay
Hassan positions on Ukraine and Russia have been particularly bad. As a European you would get laughed out of any conversation with the takes he has. He is somehow getting a load of Russian propaganda and bullshit sent his way and doesn't know how to critically grudge or engage with it. Even when he is proven wrong over and over he moves his goalposts back. It's alright to get things wrong, but we deal with it , self examine and try to do better. Not look for new angles to be wrong.
If Destiny doesn’t save Hasan and xqc by talking to ethan himself asap reaction content is about to be deemed a felony💀
This shit really doesn’t matter to casual viewers, but I do hope we get a real debate with Destiny Vs. Ethan. The pro-reaction content arguments haven’t been represented well (regardless of whether you agree with them or not).
I'm a destiny fan but I absolutely agree with Ethan on this front.
I don't mind. Good. All those react channels going down would be epic.
I would love to see ethan talk to Destiny, but like Destiny said, ethans producer kinda hates Destiny, because he is a socialist. With the produced shows they crop destiny out of debates and stuff.Destint called Ethan stupid in the past aswell
Ethan seems to wake up on Destiny that he is not that horrible.
@@doublestarships646 I do mind. Bad. All those react channels going down would not be epic.
Closest we will ever get to Hasan getting called out by destiny and him having to address it.
Except ironically this is one of the few stupid Hasan takes that Destiny is also very ignorant on, and therefore agrees with
Ethan is listening to Destiny critique all of these and it's encouraging him to go at Hasan harder and harder 🤣
0:54 yo august the music the reverb the edit the mixing you are killing it my guy
Ethan being a good debater on the right topic was NOT on my 2023 bingo card
Twice too?
My bingo card has “the queen rises again and challenges Hasan to boxing” 😳😳😳
The Daliban sleeper agent has finally awoken behind enemy lines
Ethan is slowly but surely regaining respect. It’s a sight to see, really. Hopefully he continues down this path.
Hopefully but he has a long journey ahead of him.
How did he even lose respect to begin with?
@@mahamedyusuf686 fat man bad
@@mahamedyusuf686my question exactly. Funny how there is never any response
@@aragog0559 they love to say that, like what exactly ethan did in the past you missed so much about, cause some of there past content was pretty obnoxious and kinda cringe
I'm really gonna miss Ethan dressing down Hasan in these debates. RIP leftovers
It's so funny watching hasan talk to somebody who's arguments he can't just handwave away or strawman.
13:23 Preamp boosts the signal going into a chain (ie microphone preamp, guitar preamp etc.) and the amp boosts the signal going out of the chain (headphones, speakers etc.). You even have devices like guitaramps that have a pre-amp section built in to boosts the raw input of a guitar before taking it trough either the physical or virtual effect chain built into the amp, then it has an amp section at the end of that chain that boosts the completed signal to be played trough the speakers connected to the amp. So yeah, preamp goes before amp technically XD
One thing I like about Ethan is he has principles regardless of what company he is in
Oh good! I’m glad Ethan watched y’all talking. I was hoping he would.
Guys, imma say it. Destiny should be a man's name now
Nah still haven’t meant or seen a man with the name destiny
Dead😂
Don’t talk about my Queen like that
It should be Destino if you want it to be a man's name
He said it 👀
The bridge is about to be burned. I'm telling you, it's going up in flames.
this ethan redemption arc is not the content i was expecting to get this month, but so far i’m loving it!
19:23 I would like to add to this that the video that started this all, The Lemmino video, was first recommended to me when it released. Because of its length I wanted to watch it when I had more time so ignored it. By the time I wanted to watch, which was a few days later, the video that was on my recommended was XQCs video on it, not Lemminos original video, even though I don't watch XQCs videos (besides maybe one or two in the past). If I was more of a XQC fan I might have just watched his video on it, thinking I would get something more than just the Lemmino video.
Destiny and Ethan is something i wanna see more than Destiny and Shapiro
Man i love when Hasan realizes hes not getting a pass and gets anxious over the conflict
oh my god seeing hasan struggle to talk is both hilarious and incredibly sad, its like he woudnt have expected to have anyone confront him
24:59 "you just have to create content that people want to watch, you can't game the system"
Unless you just take someone else's good content that people want to watch and put it on your own channel, allowing you to upload way more good content than anybody else
Surprised me that he would admit that he is wrong on his own argument. Yes if there is not thievery you wouldn't be recommened stolen content. Holy fuck all these streamers are so desperate to protect their own bag while knowing that they are in the wrong.
I love when Destiny brings up Hasan's 'Wellll I wouldn't PERSONALLY do that, buuuuut' schtick because he does it so often
When destiny says at 19:24 “I don’t know if i believe that if those weren’t filled with react content that they would be filled with something different” confuses me because Destiny being a streamer and UA-camr should know how impression slots work. If a react video wasn’t served in that spot, something else would 100% be there. The real question is what would be there which is a fair question because it isn’t guaranteed that the original video would show in that spot, but a video would be there to replace the reaction video.
Also when he says it’s not a compelling argument, I don’t understand that either. Another video WILL be there to fill that impression slot. Now you could argue that the algorithm wouldn’t fill the slot with something the user has a high chance to click on, but I think that falls flat on its face too. You’re basically arguing the UA-cam algorithm isn’t good enough when in reality it’s incredibly good and has a massive success rate at filling impressions with videos that users have a high rate of clicking.
I love how hard Destiny tries here to make sure he reacts sufficiently to every bit.
He's always done this.
As you should? You want him to be like Xqc who randomly after 5 minutes says "chat chat ndwadniwaundwaiubdabdywabdawdwa yes or no?" then another 5 minutes go by and he mumbles some words and the video ends.
based hard reacter
@@bleeem Sure, just saying it's funny to see how he seems to be even more deliberate about it
@@neurodeee as he should 😂 he’s “reacting harder “
For August, something I have noticed recently is that when I listen to these videos in the background while playing games, the algorithm will play podcast type content afterwards. When I watch/skim through I get more "normal" recommended feed. They are definitely tracking if I am alt tabbed or have a video on mute.
This is relevant because it explains Destiny's growth over the last year going on podcasts and debating podcasters. I am not alone in watching these alt tabbed. The algorithm is probably treating Destiny as a hub that connects very disconnected types of content that may not be obvious. It explains why random podcasters have been reaching out to Destiny for chats because they are getting here through recommendations.
This entire topic of discussion just makes me appreciate streamers like Asmongold even more. The man, whilst watching a video, seems to constantly input or react to such an extent that it rivals or surpass the total runtime of the video.
This bro, love a lot of his react content
Asmon can take 10min video and turn it into an hour reaction.
He’s the only “react channel” that consistently reaches the standard of fair use with every video he watches
@@thenightmancometh93 I mean there's a ton of them that do that - they are just not in a majority.
Asmon is better than most but he still uses the exact video title and thumbnail a lot as well as uploading the video on the same platform (UA-cam) often like a day after the original upload
The argument that I haven’t heard get out is this:
React content does not scale as a genre. By definition it’s a parasite that doesn’t exist without a host. If there was all other content available everything would be fine. If there was only react content, it would literally be a recursive loop of react content which people already meme about now. I like some react content because I enjoy the personality or the perspective of the reactor ei. Destiny or CodyKo. But the entitlement Hasan and others have is crazy. You are sitting there watching someone else’s video, you are making more money watching their video then they are making their own video. If someone doesn’t like the idea that people are leeching off of the hard work of your videos I dont understand the push back. Irrespective of the personal benefit of the channel.
Good point
What is the entitlement of Hasan? Even Destiny says he's agreeing with him in the video.
@@Theyungcity23 "even Destiny says..." I don't give a fuck. Destiny is wrong. Don't think you have to agree with everything a streamer you like says.
@@FringeSpectre I'm asking what is the entitlement? He's talking like the video is about Destiny saying that Hasan is entitled. Where is that coming from?
@@Theyungcity23he never said or implied that Destiny said this. Destiny is pretty much aligned with Hasan and has an equally bad stance on this.
Destiny agreeing with Ethan that react content is stealing, while making react content lol.
Hasan is so clueless its fantastical
It is unbelievable because he’s not clueless. He knows what he is doing is wrong he just doesn’t care.
It’s not clueless it’s just a different frame of mind. Ethan feels it’s theft, Hassan doesnt to an extent
@@cool_guyomi9101 it is theft. Everyone knows it’s theft. It’s called plagiarism and if you’ve passed middle school you know what it is.
@@cool_guyomi9101 Hasan dosent even have a clear position he will bend like a rubberband if a person he like does not agree just watch the video its pretty crazy
@@uhok6712 i dont think that he is grifting he seems very serious about his stupidity
20:15 no destiny, not "might be". There WOULD be. The amount of slots stays the same, and you remove the item. Another vid fills the slot. 100% of the time
I don't think it's very difficult at all to stake out what reaction content creator is reacting hard enough. I think if you're reacting to a video and your reaction contains enough substance to where it could stand alone as its own video, Independent from the video you're watching then at that point I believe you've achieved transformative content.
Yeah this whole argument around the "react harder' meme is so stupid. There is no fine line. It's very easy to tell which react content is transformative and which is not. Saying "that's crazy" 10 times in a 50 minute video is obviously not, on the other hand offering insight, opinions and explanations makes the content transformative and respecting the original creator by highlighting their channel and linking to their stuff is the proper etiquette. As a streamer, all you really have to do is actually properly engage with the content you are using. There is no gray area. Just respect the creators and don't be a douche. This shouldn't be so hard to grasp.
@@shuttttt and for the lazy people who cant. just drop that creator a line and send em some cash. if people were dropping 50% of their earnings while they were freebooting the content to entertain their fans npt one person would be arguing the morality line. at the end of the day the morality argument hinges on harm and its really hard to prove positive or negative effects. so just pay em
@@Senorbenignhillarity I think that any creator who finds themselves having their content repeatedly reacted to, especially by larger creators, should create a patreon with a "creator tier" levels. You'll have different tiers depending on how many subs the reaction creator has and then that creator would just have to pay the original creator that much money per month if they want to continue reacting to that person's content.
@@01man01truck the problem would be the requirement factor. the people who are usually "borrowing" said ip are also the ones least willing to part with said money. most if not all of their decisions or defenses of their own actions are all aligned with the greatest monitary benefit to themselves. thus i sincerely doubt leaving the option open to them will ever work...and shaming.. ya no public shaming will work as the majority of twitch viewers live in an entirely different world from reality.
@@Senorbenignhillarity
I agree that you're probably right. And to those who don't care that's when you DMCA claim them. Unless it's transformative, of course, then none of this really matters. But if you're being a lazy shithead, then pay up or get claimed.
Hasan's Brain: "Oh Crap, everything Ethan is saying about xQc could apply to me! ABORT! ABORT!"
If this is how he folds to *Ethan Klein* just imagine how fast he would turn into a corncob if confronted by the candy man
The money I would pay to watch that happen knows no bounds
who tf is the candy man 🤨
@@shuttttt Samir Al-Hyeed
@@shuttttt the ghost of kyiv
Candy man vs cenks nephew sounds like alot of fun.
Wait does Ethan have turette? How have I never noticed him having a tic before. I clearly have these videos on the second monitor too much because I have completely missed that up on till now.
It's brutal to listen to Hasan explain anything
Hey do you know where destiny streams?
I cant find him on twitch
@@bibek12332 Hey. He is banned on Twitch. He streams on UA-cam and Kick.
@@christopherwillson but it says streamed 10 months ago on his live section?
He is liberal right?
Why was he banned?
@@bibek12332 He doesn't usually save streams on his channel. You can find most of his UA-cam streams by typing "destiny vods" into Google. I use vyneer personally. And yes, he is liberal. He thinks he was banned for saying something about a trans person that got people upset.
@@bibek12332 ? What you talking about?
It's sus to me how much nonsensical defense Destiny is doing for xQc. Destiny's just writing off the copyright infringement take of guy who had a problem with xQc because he's an "xQc hater". What? That's not an argument whatsoever. I also don't like xQc, and I also support IP rights on a moral level as well as legal, but the reason I don't like xQc didn't start with his opinions about stealing other people's work.
Ethan is going to have the same realization with Hasan that he had with Trisha Paytas. Where he realizes after awhile "holy shit it was a bad idea teaming with this person"
It's funny because I said the opposite when leftovers started. I was sure Hasan would realize how much of a bad faith idiot Ethan is and eventually dissociate himself from him but now it's actually Ethan arriving to that conclusion about Hasan. Real life does surpass fiction.
i mean of course Hasan has stupid takes. We all have takes other people find stupid. But trisha paytas is on a whole different level about the lying, the toxicity etc. I think you just are biased. In no way is trisha paytas ever on the same level as Hasan. Hasan and Ethan can still have a cordial respectful conversation whereas trisha walked out every how many episodes
This is such a braindead argument I can guarantee that at least 50 % of people who consume youtube daily watch videos from recommended and if the reaction version of a video came on my feed first I am going to watch that version even though I would enjoy the original just as much
Ethan's stock is rising, dude might say some clownish stuff sometimes but his principled stance on this is admirable.
What clownish stuff? Why does nobody ever answers this fucking question?
@@aragog0559Platforming the girl who accused Fresh & Fit of assault, whining about Aba & Preach...
@@Nikifuj908 and? They're pieces of shit. And didn't they post like 3 hate videos about him prior to that?
@@aragog0559ethan himself can be incredibly lazy when it comes to reporting on current events. when he's not hyperfixated on something, he's lethargic and uninteresting. i used to watch the h3 podcast and had to stop bc he just wasn't engaging at all anymore.
@@Nikifuj908oh god Aba and reach are just annoying
Hassan just talks to talk. He tries so hard to make his sentences sound smart that he forgets to actually say anything with substance.
Dan's "noo...." was so soy and I lost some respect for him there.
Hasan rambled for an hour and said less than Hila who messaged a single sentence to Ethan at the end.
13:22 Pre-amp vs Amp
Pre-Amp - brings the signal to line level
Amp - brings signal to usable level past line level
Mics generally use pre-amps since analog to digital conversion is done at line level. An external preamp would be used for more power hungry mics that have trouble maintaining line level with an audio interface’s built in preamps.
In the case of headphones or speakers, they have a wild range of power demands so a amp is used to bring the levels up what’s needed. Generally, a pre-amp stage still exists between digital to analog conversion stage and amp stage.
Just in case anyone is curious.
My conditional faith in Ethan is slowly being restored. Hasan being confronted to his face is a rare and precious sight.
Lol copy pasted for likes, you shameless turtle
Yo, the reddit hates u. I didn't even know u where a regular
Bro the every single video comment thing is pretty cringe
Did you just copy a comment to get likes? Holy fuck that's pathetic
@@robertterrell7057turtle chad has a Reddit page now? 😂
16:07 perfect clip to add here 😂. Give the editor another raise
But Ethan defended reaction content 1 year ago. HE ATTACKED DARKVIPERAU for that so hard.
Why is nobody recognising that
Because I doubt your claim.
Not sure exactly what you are referring to but Ethan has never been attacking reaction content, even bad reaction content. He's attacking the deliberate taking of somebody else's content purely to entertain your own audience. He thinks it should really apply across the board when the 'react' is no more transformative than a watch party but thinks it's particularly bad on high effort and artistic content. He is angry at Hasan and XQC for thinking it's acceptable to play videos and then leave so they are getting paid as an empty chair, while another person's hard work entertains their audience.
A Lot of the criticism of dark viper was he compared it to rape and was extremely hyperbolic. I've seen streamers basically agree with him but criticise how it was written.
@@hellsjamfleasthat's the same think Dark Viper criticised. It really just seems like a year ago, Ethan was just on auto mode defending Hasan because they're friends, and now he sees someone he dislikes doing it and is actually applying some more critical thought to it.
Using the "Home" tab is just completely counterintuitive to me, the subscription tab has exactly what i want from youtube: The content i am interested in sorted by how recently it was uploaded
Ethan did a whole stream showing XQCs DMs he sent at like 2 AM after the debate. XQC was soooooo salty. He was talking so much shit. It was so childish.
I mean that's xqc for you. You shouldn't expect anything from him.
@@Syn741oh I didn’t lol the memes were really funny
@mary1412 I mean you did say he was talking so much shit. Which kind of implied that you expected him to not do it.
@@Syn741 Saying something happened doesn't imply you expected the opposite lol. If anything, I'd assume he expected Xqc to act that way
@@Syn741 ummm how does that imply that? 😂 if I said “I can’t believe he’s taking so much shit” or something I would understand… but yeah he was being a big baby. Acting like a child for real.
Hassan literally steals content o baby sit viewers with while he is gone. If he is reacting to something he will spend minutes walking away to do something else without watching the video. During the time he is there he sometimes seemingly is ignoring the video. He doesn’t care about transforming the content, he wants to keep his viewers watching without doing any work while stealing from content from others
@destiny I really dont think Dan hates you, or really even dislikes you. I think MOST of the "destiny censorship" on H3 is mostly due to Hasan. I watch a TON of both you and H3 and can 100% tell the difference between when they discuss you, including Dan, on every other show, except the Thursday show w/Hasan. Ethan would 1000% have you on live as a guest or whatever ✌❤
Preamp is a voltage amplifier that goes before a power amp that is current amplifier and gives the massive power boost needed for speakers to make sound. The cloudlifter is a preamp stage but still goes into another preamp usually.
Destiny was wrong H3H3 did recognize him and that's pretty fucking awesome
the progression of this arc has been an interesting game of everyone trying to play 4D chess while only having a checkers-level understanding of it
I don’t think Hasan is too dumb to engage with the conversation, I just think he doesn’t give a shit about IP rights, but he can’t say that because his «brand» is contingent on appearing morally good.
It doesn’t matter if it affects the algorithm or if the “thief” makes a ton money from it or just a little. It’s stealing. It doesn’t matter if it steals views or doesn’t steal views or impressions. It’s stealing content. If you make a dime off someone else’s content and you don’t meet fair use, it’s stealing.
There’s basically 3 positions. 1 is it’s on the original creators shoulders to find and chase down people who take their content to try and get payment or have it taken down. 2 is it’s on the person who wants to use the content to reach out to the creator and get permission. 3 as long as it’s transformative enough you don’t need permission from the creator.
I think 2 and 3 are reasonable, 1 is not.
I wonder how hasan feels about taking peoples art without permission and expecting the artist to track down every person who does so and DM them and try to have them stop using it or pay for it, seems to me you should ask the artist first or pay them
I would argue that 1 is acceptable because it's the best system we have for now, as in, most convenient on average even if the original creators are "inconvenienced" (I put inconvenienced in quotes because most original creators are ok with react content).
However it would be better if there was a system where an uploader could check a box that marks a video as "ok to react to". xqc mentioned that having a better system would be nice during Destiny's debate prep.
Love how you're making it seem difficult so that 1 sounds crazy. There's no "chasing" being done. And that's ignoring the fact that no one complains about their content being reacted to. It's a fabricated issue by people who don't get reacted to.
The process is super simple and you act like hundreds of people are reacting to every video. Even if they were, these channels benefit from it. That's why people aren't going after everyone who's reacting. It's as simple as emailing/dm'ing the person who reacted to you or their editors.
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 I love how you're just okay with thievery.
"Oh an artist made something? It's mine now!"
That's what you're arguing for.
3 is not in contention with 1 or 2, it's just a different scenario.
If the work is transformative, then the original creator has no rights to it. The person who transformed it owns the copyright of what they made and can defend that copyright in court. They don't need any approval from the original author, and don't owe them anything.
"I don't know what you mean but I'm gonna disagree with you" was one of the most based reactions to Hasan I've heard in my whole life.
I think Hasan makes his voice deeper the more wrong he is. Like a vocal Pinocchio. Also, Friday Beers guys are incredible!
32:35 xQc would be flipping burgers if it wasn't for the fact he was lucky figuring out how to stream and play minecraft. Now he is just a example of Survivorship Bias and the Dunning Kruger effect going wild. Even when "prepped" the boy can't get a sentence off in a debate, 30% of the time it's the same grunting noises he makes while reacting to other people's content.
Destiny was really kind trying to help and explain it to him, but I can only imagine him being surrounded by yes-(wo)men, else someone would of tried to stop him debating Ethan (or anyone else for that matter.)
Destiny believes that react content has no affect on the OG video but here I am watching him react to something that I did not see on my feed, and I’m subbed to both Hassan and Ethan. I will not be going back to watch the original and I highly doubt anyone else does too.
24:44 that's probably most people. I remember people complaining about not seeing the channels that they've subscribed to. For me this is inconceivable because I watch almost all my videos from the subscription tab or by jumping from video to video. So I started speculating that they don't use that tab at all and use the recommended tab exclusively. It always amazes me how so many people fail to navigate the most simple UIs.
hot take but H3H3 has kinda always been based and the hate for him is so cringe. Dude has a stable loving family, made his money earnestly, is relatively anti PC without doing the fake edgy shit, knows the limits of his intelligence and is fairly consistent on most issues. Plus he's like at most a Soc Dem on like most issues.
I agree. I think he had a big character arc and is in a different ‘crowd’. He’s a family man, and a very open minded and mature person (although he does say some weird stuff at times). All in all I think he’s a good dude
yeah he was really avoiding the "fake edgy shit" when he said someone should bomb an NRA convention
Now thats some recent bias. Why everything has to be black and white on the internet ffs ?
Imagine pearl clutching about this under a fucking DESTINY UA-cam video@@thulist
i hate him because he doxxed a random person for no reason. full stop, doxxing anyone is wrong so he became irredeemable in my eyes.
Maybe I’m crazy
But whenever I watch a react channel I never see the original creators in my recommended feed. I only see more of the react content but other react videos. In 11 years I don’t remember any original creators being recommended
We need masculine idubbz back for this topic. We need a content cop on XQC 😂
I wonder if Destiny would now change some numbers in regard to his IQ tier list. Previously he gave Hasan "above average" and Ethan got the only "surely below average".
Ahrelevant where was this take when it was Jayxci
what i dont understand is how can a person do something that is morally wrong (steal someone's content for example) and justify doing it as ok with "it doesn't hurt anyone" and still think they are a moral person? Can someone help explain this as the only asnwer keep coming to is that they are a either a sociopath or psychopath or both.
The thing that you're missing is that no one is talking about "stealing content" here except Ethan. React content (not talking about reuploading the same video) doesn't hurt the original creator. People like Ethan argue as if it does, but it doesn't. Streamers who do react content are aware that it doesn't hurt the original creators, so they will say they're not acting immorally.
@@aenpien it "doesnt" hurt them that we know of. conveniently this doesnt hurt also reallllly really helps the person doing the stealing. theyve also conveniently not shown it always helps either. the people who watch it without transforming it off platform have all of the upside and use the defense of well it cannot hurt them while deriving all of the utlity (entertaij viewers get donations) start forcing streamers to either transform or give their earnings during thst video to the youtuber they are freebooting and watch that tune change in a millisecond
@@SenorbenignhillarityThere's proof of this but not proof that it hurts people. So the goal post gets moved until eventually, the person you're debating can concede the argument and say they don't care. Because "stealing content" is a lot harder to concede to than "gaining from another's content". That's the reason people like XQC say they don't care. Because it's an issue that doesn't actually exist and the only people arguing it are people who don't get reacted to. People started this drama because they're "defending" Lemmino who doesn't even mind his videos being reacted to
Oh and XQC is literally willing to give 10× what he gained from reacting to the video of that's what the content creator wants. So no, they wouldn't switch up
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 the proof it helps people is either so miniscule or for pne off anecdotes tho. if you have 5 people it helps amazing. but that still isnt a rule that shpuld be followed. If people fkubd out that if you shoplifted constantly from walmart every now and then loss prevention people would get raises to go after shop lifters it doesnt make the theft better.
xqc can say that all he wants. show me when he actually does it lol. creatora being fine with it when they are as large as lemmino isnt surprising. it wont affect him at all. smaller creatora are the ones where either the help or harm problem would have to be researched. until streamers are just paying for what they dont transform I doubt people will ever be ok with the current react meta.. itll bubble up again hopefully not with a knee jerk reaxtion from youtube or twitch
ngl i had to skip that entire part where rando joins the call, he kinda killed the vibe.
Reacting positively or negatively, you should actively push people to check out the original creators and their content.
Reactors are the bottom feeders of content generation, but like real bottom feeders they do have a place in the ecosystem. Because no matter what you are, UA-cam equivalent stealing content. But by feeding viewers to the original creator you are improving their and your situation. They get more recurring viewers and fans I.e. more compensation for their work and more motivation to create the content you react to. But it’s obvious what you doing when you skip their in video ads, you’re just a parasite.
My ass is reacting to last night's chicken parm. Objectively transformative.
"a preamp raises a weaker signal chain to line level, while an amplifier raises a line level signal [1] to speaker level." For instance a mic is below line level, so a preamp takes that mic signal up to line level hot enough to be recorded and broadcast. That line level is too weak for speakers, so an amplifier takes the line level signal and makes it hot enough to drive speakers or headphones. A cloud lifter goes before the preamp, using Phantom power to raise the signal of a quiet dynamic or ribbon mic so it is a healthier level for the preamp to work with.
I started getting recommended Jubilee videos when I was watching reacts from creators that I'm already subscribed to. I also discovered Destiny through my recommendation because I was already subscribed to Peaches & Cream and Cream was on Destiny discussing some political shit. So yeah I understand how reacting could be beneficial. The problem is the barely doing anything in the reaction video I don't mind if it's streaming but if the reaction on streams wasn't interesting enough you don't cut and post on UA-cam that won't be your content that you're posting. The viewer should feel like their watching you for your input not just to see the video you're reacting to.
exactly. Imagine watching the same exact video again. VERY few people would watch the original content if the react vid wasnt transformative. Saying that theyre technically "not taking anything from the creator monetarily so its not bad cause youre not harming the creator" is bs. The creator put in the time and effort and said "yeah you can watch it for free here cause this platform pays me". Thats what the creator is fine with. Even if it didnt take away views from the original vid, youre stealing time,effort and creativity. The reason you cant make any compelling content is cause you cant put in the same amount of time effort and creativity as that other person. We can actually quantify how much the creator is losing , because imagine if you paid someone to produce and come up with a concept for a vid for your channel. That would probably be the minimum amount loss on the creators side.
Irrelevant if he's an xQc-hater. If I steal my co-worker's groundwork, it doesn't really matter if they don't mind/like me (they exsist) or if they don't like me. Excuse me, I must go steal a sandwhich from a bodega- the cost to the bodega owner is negligible, but the 10 co-workers who think it looks good (after I add my homemade dressing and avocado) are just bringing him more business. (Okay, I got lost on the way home from that last one, but I did have a better point in my head.)
Also- J X E, or whatever their name was- was a small content creator who complained thmselves- about Hasan (as we all know)
This is a pretty good analogy, except you also need to add in that "I am driving more business to the bodega and nobody has been able to prove that I haven't so I'm going to keep doing it until I see that".
Hasan being such a rat is so funny
"I don't know exactly what you mean, but I'm gonna disagree with you" is the feel good hit of the summer.
Hasan gives me the vibes that he as a IP holder would be so stingy and unfair with the fair use rules for reactions while simultaneously expecting every creator to allow him to do any degree of reactions with theirs.
because he does, but in his case it was for people mocking him with his own vids and copyright strikes.. dont think he cares anymore tho. hes at the level of fuck you money
how people act with FU money says everything about who they are as a person and if they are good or not. Hasan has proven he isnt a good person. I just wish his followers would realize it.@@Senorbenignhillarity
7:20-7:28 - yes because there is a large group of rich people who actively believe in biosynthetics to the point by the time theyre 100 so they will get to be young again / a cyborg and never die which means infinite time to rebuild. It may be a small group but we've seen how much a small group with a lot of money can do.
I would die for Ethan and Destiny to have a conversation about this.
It would be nice to see Destiny take an L. I feel like he's on the wrong side of this considering him trying to help XQC, who is clearly wrong on every front.
Destiny would shred him.... Ethan's 100% wrong. The only reason he has good karma about this, is jealous people who are hopping on the anti-react bandwagon to feel better. Once people settle down and react is accepted. Watch Ethan slowly 180 flip on this issue, mark my words.
@@FringeSpectre What L, The simple graph that he couldn't understand? You learn this stuff in high school, hilarious how people think Ethan is cooking anyone. xqc and hasan just buried their own grave. It's like debating a child and barely winning.
Ahrelevant's "exposure" argument is a LOT weaker than Destiny's, because at least algorithmic exposure is quantifiable.
DestinyxEthan the frenemies we deserve
Pls no, destiny is too try hard
Easy if you're not going to react "hard enough." Then don't make the content you're stealing take up 90% of your screen. Reverse it and find out how many ppl watch for you or the content.
he really paved it on his own
Crowd effect is a pretty big factor for getting people to engage with content they otherwise wouldn't. The person to figure out how to allow content to be watched in groups with a common chat is going to make bank.
they already have it.. its called twitch lol. the problem they have is a huge copyright issue that will hit them like a ton of bricks in the near future. this is just the next cliff until the final drop off this annoying rollercoaster.
@@Senorbenignhillarity Sorry, I should ammend my previous statement to "legally allow" not just "allow".