Ethan Wins Debate vs Socialist. H3 Fans Turn On Him.
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00:00:00 Ethan vs Hasan communist fans
00:01:26 H3 fans tell Ethan he has colonial white privilege
00:02:19 Avocade toast controversy
00:05:47 Possible outcome on gambling
00:09:04 Destiny's food take
00:14:55 Ethan gets into debate w/ his socialist fans
00:18:39 Far right and far left do not like capitalism
00:21:43 Office environment
00:32:40 Ethan thinks capitalism is more realistic than socialism
00:40:29 Hasan thinks Ethan can't be good faith because it's in his self interest
00:44:19 "I am a capistalist"
00:45:12 "You guys are all radical communists?" Ethan finds out about his fanbase
00:45:50 "That's not radical?" Ethan asks Dan
00:46:31 US isn't the whole world
00:54:09 Dan switches back to US
00:58:06 H3 subreddit revolt
01:05:57 Anti capitalist
01:07:47 Deleted thread
01:23:43 USSR was a catastrophy
01:29:58 Destiny believes Ethan is the drunken master
01:33:27 Hasan fans dialogue tree
01:40:17 Socialism is when unions?
01:45:00 Capitalism shouldn't exist is a fairytale
01:49:00 Destiny is baffled by Ethan
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Swedish person here! Our left party call themself socialist, but in reality they are left social democrats.
@@FlygandeSjuklabels are just labels fr
@@thebeast5215 with that logic I guess you are a nazi then lol
The hybrid work model is best I think, so long as it isn't mandated. I'm a principal w/16 years, former Dir. and lead, fully remote 7 years and hybrid 3 more.
It completely depends on your team. Your presence would (likely be) beneficial to the company as a whole even beyond your team, but you're not every dev. I like the social aspects of the office too, but most devs, in my experience, are not. Without someone to pull them away from their screen they may as well be on slack. Honestly, that has ben my overwhelming experience.
It's stereotypical, and so are devs in every org I've been a part of or interacted with. A lead's job is to get the most out of each individual team member. No different than the way you craft a message to be received knowing the contents are worthless if left unheard. If sharing the air doesn't provide value for some they'll just be annoyed by the mindlessness of it.
You may want to read "The Managerial Revolution" by James Burnham.
Ethan somehow manages to say really smart things while talking with the inflection of a stoner who keeps trying to tell you how everything is "totally connected, dude"
That is a great analysis lmao I’ve noticed that as well. It’s kinda like JustPearlyThings being like “but I don’t really care either” except if she actually said intelligent things.
Drunken master Ethan
spot on lol
Because weed causes that trait. For sure. Not level of intelligence.
@@nevaehb2279 reread the comment, that's exactly what they said "IF she said intelligent things"
Losing Hasan fans has to be the biggest sign that youre moving in the right direction.
there is a pun in there somewhere😂
Lmao not wrong.
Underrated comment, with a double meaning joke.
I see what you did there
It's just better for any community really. A socialist or communist will never be happy. They are miserable if they don't' get what they want, and when they actually get what they want, they are even more miserable.
The problem here is that ethan is having a political debate based in realism and current restrictions, while dan is debating from a philosophical perspective where revolution of an economic system doesnt require thinking about it realistically
Lol this is perfect
no just ppl find it easier to imagine an end to everything than an end to our capitalism, this economic system was new itll be gone too someday, this is just capitalisf realism where ppl imagine the state of civilization in their day to be absolute and immutable to the effects of time that'll expose our dated thinking
Yea I agree. I guess that's the benefit of not being really invested in politics but having an opinion based on history and experience instead whatever garbage education these woke commies have
it would help change people's minds if your solutions weren't total dogshit.@@sleezus1
@@sleezus1 "our capitalism" lol....I like how you disguise the fact that we don't really have capitalism.
"America is not the entire world" - Dan
Also Dan - "I'm just going to ignore that Sweden is a capitalist country and just talk about America"
As a H3 veiwer i was desperate for Destiny to cover this. The H3 radicals shitting on ethan for disagreeing with Hasan is driving me crazy. Sorry but they are simps, Ethan wins these debates but they act so smug and condescending.
Ive recently woken up to Destiny and how right he is about Hasan. From a distance it seemed petty and i watched Destinys take for entertainment value. But now i understand how infuriating Hasan is.
How in the hell does someone unironically watch hasan.
Thank you!!! I'm not alone lol, been a huge h3 fan for almost a decade now but I don't think I've been able to bare through more than 2 leftover episodes. I watched the newest one after seeing that subreddit post and GOD is this being blown out of proportions, calling him a colonizer just because he isn't a full blown communist is wild
I watch both Hasan and Destiny. They do their job differently but they are not so far apart ideologically. However, its Destiny that reacts and talks about Hasan quite a lot, almost daily and always negatively. In this case, he's inserting himself between Ehat and Hasan....a bit creepy. Meanwhile, Hasan talks about Destiny, never? He reacted or talked about him twice this year?
@@bojan353hasan is one of the largest political commentator on twitch and on the left. Yes destiny is going to cover his shit. Also destiny does give props to hasan when he deserves it. (Tate debate for example.)
As a former Hasan watcher and H3 watcher .. welcome and thank you. Ive been banging my head against the way trying to show people how fake and infuriating Hasan is but my god they are blinded and simp shades are screwed into their skulls.
You know, regardless of who you actually think is right or wrong in this convo, I think everyone needs to realize that Ethan represents what an extremely large chunk of normal ppl with out much interest in politics or economics feel about the topic. If you can’t successfully engage with ppl like Ethan (not even convincing them but just being able to understand where they’re coming from and make your case for why communism would be better in a way they can respect) then you’re never going to be able to convince the vast majority.
That's hilarious because ethan has no education or understanding of what socialism or communism actually is. We are in this society because of a lack of education.
@@heyimkyleA huge number of people on the internet who self identify as those things also can't articulate what they actually are either. It's vague statements and hypotheticals that are useless in real world applications, but that conveniently skirt around criticisms of existing versions of the movements.
@@heyimkylefamous last words are “that wasnt real communism” “if i was supreme overlord i would have ushered in the utpoia!”
I disagree, if you did study economy you'd also know that true socialist and communist economies perhaps sound nice in theory but horrible in practice. Consequently, there has never been one communist/socialist country that has made it to present day.
A lot of people seem to believe that the nordic countries with their taxation funding healthcare and education for a large part makes them socialist countries: they aren't. They have more socialist policies but the countries themselves still have free trade in stead of a fully planned economy where the government decides on what to produce.
Can you imagine in an ever changing global world that the government makes a plan on what to produce for all sectors for a year? That'd be a disaster.
Also, this sounds mean but a lot of these communist/socialist revolution larpers, outside from a few in academics, are people who still haven't achieved a lot and in terms of wages, are down at the bottom. They have more to gain but do you expect high skilled labour like doctors to stay in a country where as in neighbouring countries, they can make 5 times the amount?
Usually when people cant explain something, its because they dont really understand it. And nobody really seems to support communism and understand it at the same time.
Funny, isnt it :D
Ethan is the stumbling drunken master that everyone laughs at until he pulls some god tier ju-jitsu that leaves everyone speechless.
truly the Rock Lee of the podcast world.
@ReaverSenpai not even a close comparison. Rock Lee trains harder than anyone. Even Guy. So his drunken master skills aren't accidental like Ethan's occasional dubs. Ethan has a long career but he doesn't work harder than anyone these days.
Bruh ethans just a smart, level headed dude. He doesn't drink or do drugs. he just fucks around sometimes lol
He’s literally Po from Kung Fu Panda 💀
I think the underlying issue is that in many of these communities, “capitalist” becomes equivalent to “bad guy” while “socialist” or “communist” is equivalent to good guy. They aren’t defending an idea, they’re defending a label and any time they can’t defend their definition of said label they adjust the meaning of the label to be whatever position they think they can defend. The problem is, destiny is starting from a foundation of “this label means specifically x, and if I agree with x I agree with this label” not “this label is used for bad guy, so I don’t like it even if I agree with the underlying idea it represents. I’m going to adjust definitions so that it no longer applies to me”
Bingo. They do it with left and right too. They think left = good and moral and right is opposite
I've been trying to become more friendly with the term socialism after noticing this sort of pattern developing in myself lol
Very true
They deny biology. Territorial aggression is built into the animal. It’s why you don’t go trampling into a Silverback den. Private property is a localized limit on that aggression. Eradicate that, and you’ll need a gargantuan government of an alpha silverback, and yeah, it’s going to get violent.
The name demi by itself is a self own and you can see why this person would be a communist.
I find it hilarious that Ethan literally brought Hassan on his podcast as the ‘political expert’ but every time they debate politics he ends up destroying Hassan anyway. Ethan is a better debater than he thinks lol
I think it's actually simpler than that. Ethan does a show 5 days a week and seems to be just an authentic guy. He's not typically "winning" these little debates with talking points but rather by his real world ideas. Not trying to glaze him too much bc he's certainly no genius. Just a real dude lol
I think it is even simpler, Ethan has a little more rational, common sense than Hassan... so you do not need to be a good debater or has to be a laid back dude 😅
@@Tom_Silverthat’s a good breakdown actually.
Ethan is probably a fundamentally intelligent guy who learned to over-rely on his sense of humor in navigating complex topics. Maybe he's become tired of always being the clown in the room and spending time with Hassan has made him realize Hassan is a different type of clown. The bad kind. I wouldn't be surprised if someone from a moderate/liberal think tank has his ear and has been giving him talking points.
He’s impervious to political brain rot
Said it before and I'll say it again. Hasan and Ethan bonded over their hate of the red pill. Only to realize that they actually had nothing else putting them together.
I'd say it was more Ethan bonding and Hasan tree branching for more viewers, like when he went and started streaming with all the dreamSMP streamers.
Yea. As a co-host Hasan isn't that entertaining or interesting. After frenemies ended, Ethan made a big deal about having another co-host and it ended up being hasan. I was surprised Hasan
@@spacewinter He needs to make frenemies 2 with destiny
@@spacewinter Trisha was way more entertaining than Hasan
Ethan is the perfect guy to contrast Hasan, in a way Destiny can't because:
- Hasan can't accuse him of having an agenda.
- Ethan always treated Hasan with respect and as a friend, so he can't accuse him of being bad faith.
Ethan is just using common sense, Hasan's and communist's actual kryptonite, and he can't be accused of bad faith or similar things, because he never treated him badly or had beef. Quite the contrary.
Not saying Destiny treated Hasan like shit, but of course bloodsports debating is tough, and Hasan can try an optic win on normies.
He can't do it with Ethan.
You underestimate the simps. If hasan said “Ethan is just being bad faith because of the whole xQc react content drama” 90% of his viewers would be like ‘yeah trueeeee’.
Who the hell even respect "You have agenda" argument?? Like what agenda? Agenda of having different options then you? If You trying accuse me of hypocrisy, then prove it, and not waste time with muh.. agenda bs.
@@HawtLSWell over 50% of Hasan fans give him the win in any argument just because he is daddy Hasan.
Didn't Hasan accuse him of bad faith like a month after this?
This aged like spoiled milk because Hasan all but told his audience Ethan was a scum bag and allowed his audience to harrass him
The only reason why Ehan and his wife seems smart in this conversation is because they made a business, they had to overcome all the obstacles, create a brand, do most of the hardwork to get here, Dan and the rest of the subreddit have been spoonfed their entire lives without actually working for it
Most of the people in the crew come from wealthy families that were raised in rich parts of LA. Most of them are spoon fed.
@@cadewhite8670AB and Lena are from Michigan and Sam is from the South in addition to Love being from Sweden. I think that's about half the crew.
@@cadewhite8670not really only Olivia is from a wealthy LA family
@@cadewhite8670it’s funny how everyone thinks LA is just a bunch of rich people.
Frigg off hila, give us more bony yoga vids.
Ethan has actually had a lot of debates where he's the logical one recently
Tbf his opponents have been pretty bottom of the barrel.
It's not like he's argued or debated with anyone that can really wipe the floor with him or anything.
@@colonelkenpachi5009hasan is THE if not one of the biggest political streamers / content creators he may not have had a formal debate with him but Ethan’s laid back lazy demeanor makes his concise remarks surprising regardless
I think he realised that sitting next to Hassan makes you lose iq
So he has to make an effort to stop that haha
@@foolish.intellectual9967just because he's popular doesn't mean he actually knows shit, which is obvious when he opens his mouth
@@foolish.intellectual9967 You said that as if hasan being one of/THE biggest in something makes him good at it
he's a midwit with a large audience, that's it.
I think one of the reasons Ethan has been unintentionally dominating the recent debates is bc often times his opponents clearly have never been pushed on their ideas. They often have a very passionate take and then it immediately falls apart when questions get asked.
It's not unintentional. He knows what he's doing. He's always been smart.
Person: "I deeply believe in this!"
Ethan: "Why?"
Person: "Fuck, good question"
@@voidcowboy4327 unironically
Are you saying Hasan has never been pushed on his ideas? Because I have it from a very credible source that he actively seeks out criticism in order to make content out of it. In fact, he is numb to it.
Even redpillers weren't this bad at their pushback. And in worst cases, openly accepted yea I'm shameless. These guys don't even do that. They just expect to spew passionate statements and get surprised it doesn't get automatically applauded by people around when not in their echo chamber.
Wow Ethan, great moves. Keep it up. Proud of you.
memories lol
the more I watch these clips the more I think Dan is the cause of all of H3's issues.
Whaaaat 🤯
Not a coincidence the podcast and h3s reputation went down the toilet when he was brought in
i love Ethan realizing what Hasan fans are like
Funny how Ethan is going through the same thing Destiny was going through back in the day, we should call it the Hasan cycle.
Both Ethan and Destiny have to make it to where Sam Hyde wound up in relation to Hasan.
Absolutely baffling checking out comments from the last leftovers episode, they are saying shit like "it was cruel to ask Hasan this complicated of a question and demand an answer on the spot" when they talked about Taiwan
@@Taireyn lol, "how dare you ask something I don't know the answer to, and make me look stupid, because I'm stupid????"🤣
@Taiyren
“How dare Ethan challenge the guy he has cohosting his podcast when he’s spewing bullshit?”
Ethan is aware of his question methods. He's mentioned before that his approach to disagreement and debate is centered on the socratic method and using strategic questioning to get the other person to get to the point, which often leads to the other person exposing the gaps in their own argument without him having to do much work.
He definitely didn't used to do this. He used to be the one who would constantly get trapped in his own flawed logic. Basically seems like he finally realized he was sucking up to the wrong people
@@TNTspaz i think hes been emotional in the past and would rather attack
@@TNTspazhe did it for pretty much all his career, also in his reaction videos. He's always been pretty grounded, it's just that he had a hate bandwagen for a few years for some reason
If Ethan wasn't surrounded by dipshits, He'd be a full liberal on main. This man was broken down by his audience and cohost.
Ethan is just saying what most non-internet addicts think haha im surprised how genius everyone is finding it. Love it though, Ethan casually destroying mass narratives is the best
its like "being there" with peter sellers. this moron gardener just saying moron things and everyone thinking its deep
for real bro this shit is so online it hurts. all this shit is just popular on the internet where peoples brains get turned into slop anyways.
So well said hahah
I agree so much with Destiny on the whole fake work thing and being stuck in the past thinking we need 45+ hours of labor. I remember before I graduated high school I worked at McDonalds and in between rushes there was literally nothing to do. And I was trained to “fake work” during that time. Just make it look like I’m doing something. I remember thinking wtf this can’t be right, this has to be either just this store or McDonalds as a whole where I was actually trained and encouraged to fake work. Then after I graduated and starting working several different places, they all had that in common. Every single one them, I spent literally 75% of the day fake working. Just pretending to look busy. I fucking hated it. I still hate it. Nothing makes me feel like I’m wasting my life more than fake working. I remember specifically thinking like “There’s no way this is actually what it’s like in the real world” that we get paid to sit on our asses and clean something that’s already clean, or stock something that’s already stock, organize something that’s already organized. Count money that’s already counted. It’s so redundant. That’s exactly why I loved working from home. That exact reason.
And if you work from home you can use that fake work time to work on yourself, enjoy a hobby, spend time with family and just do something that actually makes you feel happy. Like you're still doing the same amount of actual work. That's why I think so many people had their eyes opened during COVID.
@@FukaiKokoro agreed, you can spend that time doing something actually meaningful whether work related or not it’s almost like people up top want you to be miserable lol
It is the same in the software industry. Very few programmers can actually effectively program for more than 4 or 5 hours a day. But you have to stay at the office for 8 or more hours.
So what you end up seeing is a lot of people wasting time getting coffee, buying stuff online, meetings, long chat conversations etc. The worst is when a deadline comes and the programmers force themselves to actually write code for more than 6 hours a day - that is when the bugs and hacks and garbage really gets into the codebase and future productivity will suffer because that makes the codebase harder to maintain.
Yeah but the thing is McDonald’s does actually need coverage during the whole time, in case someone comes in. So what else were they supposed to do? You’re not there for 40 hours because there’s exactly 40 hours of work to do. It’s because they need 40 hours’ worth of _coverage._
my first job was in a restaurant kitchen; during our downtime, we were trained to clean any area of the kitchen that wasnt spotless or organize and prep the walk-in fridge. I'm sure there was something productive to do on slow days at McDonalds, but most workers arent going to go out of their way to find something to do
I am glad we see Ethan pushing back with realistic takes, but what I am scared is that without support he will shutdown and rather stay inside the bubble instead of trying to fight more for his values... He should REALLY have someone like Destiny, unironically, steel man some of his position. Debate between Ethan and Destiny would be so healthy for him imo.
I think Ethan has the right amount of autism to where he can't NOT speak his mind but is articulate enough to deliver them well
@@k1xnt Yeah, pre-podcast and in early podcast days he used to be pretty adamant about his positions. He didn't mind fighting with the entire community, but there were times where it really seemed to stress him out - like the whole Pewdiepie N-word podcast where it seemed he really needed the support of the guests.
I just checked the comment section for this latest podcast and, as expected, the most upvoted comments are praising Dan while criticizing Ethan. I know Ethan looks at what people say about him - at least he used to before I stopped watching him, so that's why I am afraid if he manages to plow through the hate rather than settling down. I hope we live in the timeline where he either dismantle and possibly change Hasan/Dan or at least raise above them.
We will see i guess.
How are scared over internet drama
I felt insane watching that shit live because dan was just saying stupid shit IMO that wasn’t realistic and ethan was making points that i think anyone REALISTICALLY n NOT ideologically speaking would agree with
Ethan must have found the right mix of meds or something. He is calm and collected, and is dismantling Hasan's BS with ease.
ngl, it took me until like age 28 to find the right mix of meds to make my neuroticism start working for me in life lol.
Ethan takes lexapro and wellbutrin
his redemption arc started pretty much exactly when he started wellbutrin
That's incredible if it's true
Yeah he lost like 60 lbs over the summer too so I think he's finally feeling comfortable with himself again.
These recent debates have really redeemed Ethan for me. He actually makes a lot of great, cogent points very easily.
I cannot believe Ethan allows Dan to talk to him like that. It's not because they have different opinions, it's the disrespectful, condescending ways he says them!
Never thought I’d say this but ethan has been pretty smart and honest in these debates with hasan
Don’t give him too much credit ask yourself why he never aired these disagreements at an earlier point in time
@@flightrisk1047what does that have to do with anything🤨
Is it that Eathan is smart or Hasan is just sooo dumb he makes Eathan look smart?
@@thrash208 yes lmao that’s why i specified the debate with hasan
@@thrash208Ethan is a smart guy when it comes to things he knows, he just likes to talk a lot about things he knows nothing about.
Ethan genuinely has way more in common with Steven than he has with Hasan or Dan. Praying for Destiny to replace Hasan on Leftovers. I could actually stand to watch it then.
Sorry, but The leftovers with Deastiny would be BORING. Would be good for debates...
@bojan353 what do you mean by WOULD be boring? What's the part of it now that isn't boring and how would that be lessened or removed with the addition of Destiny? Genuinely curious to hear this.
@@shanustheanus I think they mean that we wouldn't get disagreement between the hosts like we now have seen at least twice, because Ethan and Destiny seem to be closer in ideology.
@@bojan353 I don't think it would be boring at all. Destiny being super edgy while Ethan tries desperately to keep himself from getting any controversy would be hilarious lol. Imagine Ethan trying to get Destiny to stop using rape hypotheticals.
@@bojan353hasan is boring af. He’s either unfunny or he goes on a political rant which Ethan just nods his head to most of the time. Destiny actually has some edge which they can clash on while still agreeing on many base values.
“If a person says unions are bad, ask them how they feel about teacher’s unions.” - I assure you, there are many, many people who think unions are bad who are also very much against teacher’s unions. In fact, I would argue that teacher’s unions are among the easiest to criticize. There are _massive_ problems with modern teacher’s unions. Absolutely massive.
Comedians need to be fast witted. Ethan has been doing comedy for years now and has practice fully assessing a situation in 1 second while not seeming to be aware of anything at all. He's like a homeless chess master
Ethan is slowly ascending into an all logical, all curious, debating mastermind. Absolutely terrifying and beautiful at the same time!
Refreshing to see after his big descent into madness and online leftism. I'm baffled, though, as to why he is surprised that his whole chat is communist after the direction he's decided to take in the last years
That Tiktok was horrible. In literally every single aspect. Low effort instrumental, lyrics that are so vague and don't actually attack his point in any meaningful way, a random attack on his credibility for being white (from a white guy, of course). And this sense of smugness, like they just released the greatest diss track of the year when they've done nothing besides reinforce his point. And they're creepy looking, too.
The Hilarious irony is that the same people who want people to not dislike others for their identity will be awful to white Christian men because they were oppressors or something. Goofballs, all of them
Im surprised people are still doing the "sit down and listen, your white voice doesnt count" shit. What is it, 2017 or something?
Yeah he’s part of that weird zoomer lefty trend where they make themselves look like pedophiles
I respect Ethan for not being afraid to offend his friends. He'll stand up for what he thinks even if he knows other people disagree. They might get offended or become uncomfortable, but it doesn't seem like he would hold the conversation against them even if they end up on different ends of the spectrum. He just wants to have a good conversation. I'm not saying anything negative about Dan or Hasan, since Ethan argues with them and they're still willing to show up every day/week (or whenever Leftovers happens... I don't watch it, so I'm not sure). I do wonder if it'll become too much for Hasan eventually
Ethan has over the years made himself very comfortable in uncomfortable confrontational situations. Like questioning people. Even though I have many criticisms of Ethan I have to give him that
Destiny’s take on WFH is correct. When I was working from home I was WAY more productive than I was at the office for a litany of reasons, being that I can get a little extra sleep, I can dress comfortably, I’m in a place I like to be in, I don’t have distractions from noise and coworkers, and yes, I don’t have to pretend to work when my work is done. Instead I can get up and throw some laundry in or vacuum a bit. It was beneficial for my home and work life.
I think the WFH stance depends on the living situation of the folks involved. I know a few folks that go into my office prefer to do so because they don’t like the distractions of home life getting in the way of their work or their home living situation sucks so they’re trying to escape it. I 100% agree with what you say and that’s my position regarding WFH, but my living situation at home is great and I know that isn’t applicable to everyone.
Dude, are we all really witnessing Ethan Klein’s redemption arc??
referring to ethan weirdly bringing up concise and profound points and rebuttels in the dumbest way possible as "drunken master style" is 1000/10 S-tier meme
Please do more of these "Is Ethan secretly based?" videos 🤣
I agree. These are the best.
He always was. Back during the 2016 election, he was a voice of reason. He voted Clinton, and in response to the people saying they'd leave the US after Trump won, he said "You fucking cowards," and went on to say that you should support your president and hope he does right by your country.
Like many youtubers after the adpocalypse, Ethan simply changed his brand under the guise of "maturity" in order to stay afloat on the platform. He's always been based. Disingenuous and fat, but based.
Calling a country capitalist/socialist is just a black and white debate. If you consider "Free" (taxed) Healthcare, "Free" Education (University Level and higher), living wages, working public transport with low cost and all kinds quality of life improvements socialist then, yes, most of Europe is socialist but that's not really the definition of a Socialist Country. Americans really just want to have opinions on stuff based on American values and not European ones. Labeling stuff is really an ancient thing but Americans just mastered it.
Ethan is evolving into his version of perfect cell from dbz.
The most handsome cockroach in all of fiction. SHEEEEESH
Nah he's Digivolving into Ultimate..
Repent to God
Nah he’s turning into fat Majin Buu. Lmao people assume he’s a fool but at the same time they keep getting destroyed by him.
Winning a debate against Hasan isn’t hard. All you need is the capacity for thought
You quite literally need nothing more than the ability to come up with real world examples and what if hypotheticals. Socialism is brilliant in far off theoreticals, but it collides hard with the real world every single time they contact one another. That's why socialists only response to real world hypotheticals, is with fantastical delusions about perfect people working in jolly cooperation singing uplifting labor songs while they volunteer their labor to the state.
@@tooitchytruuuue humans are incapable of cooperation 😈 solid edgy take bud.
@@tooitchyYou could make the argument for slavery or feudalism as people did back in the day, it's funny because if you read actual history you understand that the points made against socialism were being made against capitalism back in the day and against the abolition of slavery.
Wait what, you say we can have a functioning thriving society without slaves ?
That is impossible we don't have enough money to pay those people the economy would be devastated.
Wait what you mean that people can own their land and be responsible for it and trade with other people?
That is impossible we have to guide them and organize them or they will destroy the land and everyone will end up poor.
Generally thinking that a certain political / economical system is the pinnacle of our society and there is no way of improvement apart from small adjustments , that we have reached perfection is insane.
you not only need the capacity to deploy thought, but you also need to deploy it.
@@tooitchy
You had such a good take about just needing to engage with reality but then you needed to do the “buT SoCialIsM” bit
Ethan sounds like a grown adult here. Someone who finally got a peek behind the curtain and understands how fragile everything is. Once you realize what is actually holding all of this wonderful society together, you develop realistic views of the world. Ideals point you in the direction you want to go, but eventually you need to pull out a compass and map because there is no meaningful journey that's going to take you in a straight line. It's the young persons lack of wisdom that misguides them into thinking they can get by with a single azimuth. Learn from everyone who's walked before you; take a few steps and shoot it again. Sometimes, to stay on track, it's best to go AROUND the mountain than over it and the easiest way to get lost is thinking you can wing it.
51:00 I'm from Finladnd and nobody from here would say that we are a socialist or a communist country even though we have (pretty much) free healthcare and schools etc.
This is a wild way for Dan to ask Ethan to just give him part of the business. Very capitalist of him
asking good questions is probably the best way to make people doubt their beliefs
1:09:44 Canadian here, and I gotta say, our teachers are indeed God awful. Nearly every single teacher I have ever had was unqualified to do their job and it's very, very sad; in high school I had a Food and Nutrition (cooking class) teacher give us the green light to eat *raw chicken* The fact that this particular teacher is so daft is no surprise lol
Canadian here. I agree.
yea they let in way too many religious nuts
Canadian here, I disagree. What province are you from?
@@man-gi8su When I was in school I resided in Ontario. I'm sure there are schools with good teachers, but myself and others who went to schools I didn't have a lot of experiences with teachers like this
As a software dev working in a big company, I think having a mix of virtual and in office is healthy. I do also think good virtual communication is really REALLY important and if an employee demonstrates they don't need to be in the office most days, then they shouldn't, mostly because working from home is so convenient and just feels so much nicer haha
Ethan is quick-witted. A comedian brain is able to see a situation for what it really is, and make fun of it. He plays the fool but he’s smart as hell.
He has his moments, but "smart as hell"?
@@vikipoyta ok, smart as heaven, smart as heck then?
@@Slayqueenatron touché
Let's not get carried away here
@@royalwins2030especially with the comedian glazing😂
As a Social Studies Teacher in Canada, that teacher post gave me brain rot. I can safely say 90% of us aren't that stupid
It's almost as if Ethan one day decided to sit down and watch every video about himself from the commentary scene and used it to find nirvana or something. It's insane how much his demeanor has changed especially when dealing with his own fans.
He really seems so different after like.. summer
I think he was getting really spun up about his weight and the very uncharitable way the very vocal minority of fans were viewing his every action. He lost like 60 lbs over the summer and I think he's been able to take a step back and see the bigger picture of things and it's allowed him to reach a comfortable state and have confidence in what he knows/believes but still be aware and open to what he does not.
Good job Ethan! Great Moves! Keep it up, proud of ya!
This debate made me realize I should definitely look more deeply into politics.
Ethan Klein has low key been the best debater the past 6 months on UA-cam.
If a university can revoke a degree for no reason then they should have to refund the tuition fee.
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Destiny giving Ethan credit like this is awesome.
Big wins all around
Except for Dan. Oof.
The Ethan/Destiny arc is getting better and better. Just a matter of time before their worlds collide
This is surreal to watch, he's honestly doing better than I would with these arguments can't believe I thought so low of this man
most folks that thought low of him were tate and peterson stans not liking him pointing out how toxic their influence is.
@@oldgrendellets not pretend like he wasn’t really dishonestly covering events in the past
@@oldgrendel eh idk about most. Id say he has a pretty good range of different groups greatly displeased with him
@@oldgrendel Nah that's cap, he was insufferable well before the Tate era
@@jeremias-serus i thought he was annoying as h3h3, to each their own i guess
I work at a managed services provider and we went permanent remote in 2020 and haven't looked back. Everyone is as or more productive as they were in the office. Major issues / fires are handled just as well or more quickly than when we were in the office. The company is bigger than ever, everyone is making more money than ever, morale is higher, just everything is better. I feel like managers who cling to in-office work either are thirsty for that feeling of control or have no idea how to actually manage a team well. If you know what you're doing you can do it remotely. I say this as someone who has been a technician, manager, and now a trainer/learning development specialist. It can all be done remotely very well.
Totally agree 💯
Destinys dismissal of human nature being the reason capitalism succeeds and communism fails is utterly ridiculous. What he said about structuring markets is also true, but so is the psychology of human beings and how we prosper heavily leans towards capitalism. Two things can be true at the same time
The difference between Ethan and Hasan is that Ethan actually thinks and cares about these issues compared to Hasan who just downloads the latest surface level progressive talking points
I also think Ethan is way too honest. Hes not afraid of backlash and just tells it as he feels. Hasan would hide his real views behind waffle and deflect from controversial takes.
Nobody actually cares about progressive talking points, if they did, we would see progressives with their boots on the ground in poor neighborhoods, actually helping the people they claim to care about, instead of just virtue signalling on the internet.
@@hellsjamfleasyea hasan the America deserve 911 isnt controversial
Btw hasan donation this year fot the cause he spoken probably more than destiny and ethan combined donation for what they belived
@@damarbagasgaming695 what the fucking shit are you trying to say? Good lord dude, I'm no grammar Nazi, but you didn't even come close to saying anything remotely coherent.
I'm convinced an Ethan and Destiny Podcast would be my personal #1 podcast to watch.
That would be my biggest nightmare, Destiny talking at the speed of light while Ethan talks like a stone sloth
Same
Hasan's reaction alone would make it very entertaining
"If you are a gambler, just eat Mozzarella Sticks" - Destiny 2023
Shows how delusional american society has become
Funny how Ethan is going through the same thing Destiny was going through back in the day, we should call it the Hasan cycle.
Omg finally. H3H3's commie purge was long overdue.
What do we call the cycle of rabbit genocides you inevitably commit every decade? How about "The Harecaust"?
I don't know, but what I know is that you missed your cycle this month. Please don't bring children into this world, or at least give them to somebody who will actually take care of them.
Everyone: do not engage with this accout.. they are just trying to farm subs
@@brian8507such is his right under capitalism
He will have a lefty arc
“If Millennials spend less on Avacado toast, maybe they could afford a downpaymet.”
“That’s such an over the top thing to say, he must be rage farming.”
So we’re just gonna ignore all the boomers and Fox pundits that repeat that same idea for 10 years with complete seriousness?
Regarding that question towards the end:
Being less attractive is not a strong selective pressure. If person A and person B have different looks, but both are attractive enough to reproduce with; then it won’t really matter if both of them are “10s” or A is a “10” and the other is a “7” or even a “5”. In fact, people that would be geared towards only having “10s” (ie, being extremely choosy with partners) would probably also lower their own survival rate if their attraction was that strict, making the trait not survive well as an inherited trait.
Ethan has been going crazy lately with actual good takes and good pushback.
Not hard when your co host is Hassan
Bro Ethan coming in clutch with the common sense lately
People think about humans as a monolith too often in my opinion. Like human nature is greed. That is sort of true an incredibly large number of people want more and more, and yet its not true for all people, there is a portion of the population that is not greedy, that is content with what they have, just look at the Buddhist monks.
I think a healthy and more productive way to think about things, although more complex and difficult, is to understand the sheer diversity of personality type and behavioral profiles. The goal here is to find a way to allow the largest number of humans in society to be productive without causing harm. The psychopath is one of the best examples of this, we could maybe make a society that identifies and removes all psychopaths from it, however, this society will be out-competed by one that puts those psychopaths to some sort of use, perhaps restricting only specific actions rather than all or presenting them a utility function that the psychopath finds enjoyable and still benefits others maybe that's a surgeon who cares little for the horror of cutting someone open or a soldier willing to kill without remorse or trauma, perhaps its even a leader who has to make the hard and cold choices between 2 bad outcomes.
Society is a complex machine of incentive structures and optional life paths/decisions its important to provide a path for each person, or as many people as possible, to be productive and useful or if we fail that at least a path that minimizes the amount of burden they put on the rest. And frankly, the easiest way to do that is to create a society that lets as many people as possible do what they want to do, humans detest boredom to the point we will shock ourselves rather than sit and od nothing we'll find something to keep us busy.
I do think its fair to say that all humans are self-interested/selfish, as in they care about themselves first and foremost, but of course, we are we have to be in order to survive and just because of the nature of perspective, the more you understand something the easier it is to be sympathetic to their point of view and we will always understand our own point of view more than anyone else's so such a tendency makes sense and is not inherently wrong or evil it simply is and needs to be accounted for.
The solution has to be complex and multifaceted because the problems we are dealing with are multi-variable, as in literally as many variables as there are humans on the planet at the minimum. Annoying as that is
My brother in law works a job where the employees enjoy in profit sharing. It’s evenly distributed between all of them, and when the profits are down, everyone makes less. That happened once, but he told me it motivates him to work harder knowing how responsible he is for his pay.
That is good too, because not only are you working for yourself you also dont wont to be the one dragging everyone else down and thats felt with all the employees. Its a collective responsibility to make sure everyone wins, not the "as long as i get my 40 i dont care what else happens" mentality.
As a Canadian from Vancouver, BC, our social studies teachers can get pretty ideological.
That being said, the reddit teacher seems pretty unhinged. I'd be weird for anyone to talk like that in a classroom
I also live there. My social studies teachers were pretty progressive but they never said that much about capitalism.
Baizuo golems
Not unhinged, dumb
Ontarian here. Yeah I remember having some teachers with radical opinions, but that post seems a little crazy to be real.
OP's conflating Laissez-faire capitalism with capitalism, because that's the naughty one that has kids in coal mines. You can't allow the term to include heavily regulated and taxed capitalist welfare societies because that would make your commie lifestyle shenanigans really stupid, now wouldn't it?
Ethan the drunken master! perfect description. stumbling through arguments genuinely asking questions, destroying his opponents footing. Then hitting with a light fact to send them toppling over.
I love to compare debate to real fights and Destiny is very Tai Chi, soft power, redirection of force kind of guy (most of the time) so Ethan does jive with the way Destiny debates quite well oddly enough.
side note: I love that both Hila and Love sit there being lovely ppl and not dogpiling like "America and capitalism is pretty great actually, that's like why we moved here."
hasan is the fighter that talks a load of shit in the conference but can barely land a punch so goes for clinches at every opportunity
only issue with your analogy is that Tai Chi isn't real lol. That's an insult
he's rain man, straight up
I miss pre 2018 when destiny’s debate style more closely mirrored aggressive Brazilian jiujitsu
58:00 As an indigenous person, no we were not damn commies. This person has a specific world view and wants to force history to match it. Here's about as commie as it gets, collectively the whole tribe does own the territory we're in, this is so one person can't monopolize an entire hunting grounds needed by a clan. That being said, if you built an improvement on the land, like a house or a farm, you now own that and are responsible for it's upkeep. Obviously no one is going to let you let a field go to hell and be a breeding ground for rats that harm the rest of the village, this is how they dealt with the tragedy of the commons, it's everyone's responsibility to keep the land healthy and you can't take more than the land can give, but if you change the land in some way YOU PERSONALLY are responsible for it. That is not commie, that's literally private property on unused communally held land.
this guy saying the soviet union never thought it was communist is a major historical rewrite there. 1:05:00
I've figured it out. Ethan is smart when he's operating from first principles and not being guided by an ideology.
Like tons of people, Ethan lost his mind, and his patience with the right, after they elected Trump. After a point, he like most people, just recognized they're too far gone and not worth the time and effort. After that, he gave up all pretense of good-faith conversation with the right and he doesn't talk to them anymore.
By contrast, he can still discuss and argue in good-faith with the left, because the problems are not so bad as to be reconcilable.
@@UnderTheIceburg I actually remember him saying "wishing trump to fail is like wishing for the pilot on your flight to fail" or something like that.
But his tune changed very quickly
Isn't that almost everyone though? The issue with most people is that they're not actually thinking for themselves. Who is operating from first principles and isn't at least reasonable?
@@bobDotJS It's been a while but I recall him saying something like that and following up with something like "I'd rather see the US fail than Trump continue" or something like that. Certainly a pretty common sentiment on the left while he was POTUS.
@@UnderTheIceburg He and you didn't 'recognize' anything. You are just caught up in the same perception management, can't see past your own nose. If you think the 'left' isn't too far gone as well you are just a reflection of the 'right'
I LOVE editing in Destiny videos when editor bring up videos made in the past that solidify arguments, WELL DONE 👏
I’m a programmer and a 40 hour work week is just not enough hours to get my job done.
Bro, the comments section on the H3H3 video is insane. They all are praising Dan and shitting on Ethan lmao
Ethan was always a smart dude. Just hung around stupider people and around others that don’t challenge his ideas. I genuinely think Ethan could go a ton of good shit if he had people around him to challenge him but doesn’t have anyone and if he does aka Dan, they aren’t as smart
True. I do miss Ethan as a centrist away from politics outside of comedy. Never struck me as vapid or dumb, or even disingenuous, not like Dan or Hasan...
Ethan's talent for finding the right questions at the right time is something he shares with, of all people, Joe Rogan. Rogan also often stumbles into making great down-to-earth points. Like, when he debunked Dave Rubin's radical anti-regulation stance recalling his own experience in the construction industry where rules and safety standards are crucial as contractors will cut corners wherever possible.
That was Dave Rubin who is an empty vessel that flipped his politics for money
When you say “stumble”, it conjures an uncoordinated, clumsy vibe that is not present in reality. Both Rogan and Ethan (here) stroll through the proverbial park in this situation rather than make it home from the bar by happenstance.
Its the same thing (being logical) but in a different aesthetic package. But people think aesthetics are the packege and that's where the surprise comes from. When you hyperfocus on looking and sounding smart, it works to adequately replace actually being smart in terms of how you're received. Unless you get exposed by someone who is actually being logical and even then people that can't follow good logic won't realise.
Hes reminding me of Joe Rogan too lol
It's also the same reason people think dan won this debate. Aesthetically dan presents himself as a smarter person, especially throughout the history of h3. In this case his aesthetics are serving as an adequate replacement for being smart and logical. In terms of how he is received. By aesthetics I mean how he sounds how he words things etc, often times how one looks helps too. Wearing glasses, looking nerdy, etc.
So you want a fully staffed hospital, with cutting-edge technology, and a blood test that is free? And who pays for this? Or do we just ask the lab tech, the phlebotomist, doctors, janitors, etc to all work for free and the folks that build the machines to do it out of the goodness of their hearts? Oh right "the rich" can pay for it then totally not pass that cost along to their employees and customers. Right.
>I can talk to my employees easier
Still not a solution that isn't manageable in fucking discord
That take gave me encephalitis.
Destiny is 100% correct about the difference between a casual conversation in the hallway vs contacting someone on Teams.
to me this whole work from home thing is crazy. People are individuals. Some work better in social environments some don't. Some are less productive working alone at home with no supervision and some are less productive in a cubicle office setting. Some people have a hard time functioning and mental health with no human interaction as for lots, workplace is the only place they have it. The polarization on this topic like every other in todays world is at a point where talking about it is counter productive.
The question is to what extent, and for who? I don't like the idea of being in an office 5 days a week "just in case" some collaboration is required.
I much prefer to let people self organize and decide when to go to the office, when teams or slack is ok, or even when just writing a Google doc and emailing out for feedback.
What annoys me is that we still set offices up primarily for individuals to sit and work at individual desks, who then have to fight for a meeting room to do the collaborative stuff.
If we all agree the primary reason for in person work is collaboration, lets make that the primary office environment with a few personal work booths for individual focus time.
Ugh underrated comment the suffering of room bookings for meetings …. Ridiculous affair 😩
@@peach_of_justus personally I do 2 days in office, 3/4 WFH. I think 2 days in office is plenty
@@primepossum6997 same here, I don't know how anyone can do 5 if they dont have to and I don't even know where to start with the ones who like it
People calling for social and government revolutions are literally too soft to be able to survive one. But they do it anyway and I think it's hilarious.
Rich suburban kids: “DOWN WITH THE BOURGEOISIE!”
Actual Communist revolutionaries: *cracks knuckles* “You are the bourgeoisie.”
Thats cause the revolutionary asthetic is sexy but the work isn't. They wanna be Che Guevara without picking up a weapon and going overseas
These wannabes will be so insufferable when One Piece ends holy shit.
so sad to see the fan base gassing up Dan in this convo. This entire convo was Dan trying to make a point. It flops, he walks it back and then says "i agree with you but i think..."
That "teacher's" post was WILD.
H3 is either the drunken master of debating, or the bumbling idiot that somehow always gets it right. OR he uses basic common sense and analytical skills to ask the obvious questions. Either way, this arc that H3 is taking has been fun to watch.
drunken master or idiot savant
I love the idea he's an idiot who is just rolling 20s on luck with these questions
What's the basis for calling him all these demeaning things like an idiot savant? He's a perceptive and thinking dude who hasn't been obsessed with political punditry for years
@@pewp_tickalar it’s just jokes from me, i like ethan. But Ethan plays heavily into pretending to be stupid a lot of the time so when he has actual good takes, it throws his detractors off
@@kreepinmcstabby
Totally fair
All you have to do to win a debate with a socialist is not be a socialist.
It's that way with all ideologies tending towards extremes. If you let them talk long enough, they will expose their lack of understanding and empathy.
If you're focused on winning a debate, you've already lost.
Next you are going to tell me that the USSR or China are socialist lol
@@jloiben12how were they not? One collapsed due to stagnation and the other switched after realizing socialism wasn’t going to amount to much
@@heraldofreedrichards319
There was no decommodification. There was no worker ownership and control over the means of production. Neither country has ever done the two things required to for socialism
The one thing you have to keep in mind with the fried food thing is, sometimes restaurants don't change the fryer oil often enough and it can definitely effect the taste.
Dude, it's regression to the mean.It's just because the more samples you have, a greater proportion of them will be near the mean because it's the most likely spot for them to occur in.
Ive been a H3 fan since early days. I think he has been pretty consistent but his audience is increasingly immature and unable to handle conflict. Ethan has caved a few times but i think we are seeing him push back on their demands and just do his thing.
Remember when they were trying to talk about Israel and people kept bombarding them with hate?
I've also been a fan since they started the pod. The fanbase is so cancer like they get offended over the smallest things. The subreddit is even worse like I left it ages ago
@tofuu1311 the only person to blame for that is Ethan. Same thing that idubzz did. They both attacked their original fan base and now *surprise Pikachu face* it's biting them in the ass.
@@FukaiKokoro I never felt attacked. I think anyone old enough to be part of their original fan base should be mature enough to understand they just grew out of the "lol so random edgy" era. I remember thinking Idubbz's N word take was based at the time... i realised a few years later how stupid that was.
Their new demographic is the same age i was back then and just as equally cringe in the other direction. Anyone who doesnt strictly adhere to partisan takes gets roasted i guess. Destinys youtube channel is a rare safe space - despite the dumpster fire that is the destiny discord.
@@FukaiKokoro they never attacked their fan bases. They just changed the content to something they enjoyed doing more and it just happened so that this attracted certain people. Anyway those people that type in chat and on subreddit are only like 5% of the whole audience so its a loud minority so it doest even matter tbh
For Ethan and most of us, the SocDem world is the destination and for the internet commies its a stepping stone.
Honestly id enjoy an arc of a good faith look into small instances of communes and indigenous societies. Even if the ultimate take is that they "fail" in the broader geopolitical game, I think he kinda brushed that angle off.
Destiny's 120IQ rated Ethan at 80 the last IQ-tier. Meanwhile Ethan at his 160 was just unreachable for the boy with girl's name.
The longer the podcast goes on I think the more it’ll show Ethan lines up politically closer to Destiny than hasan
Just to be clear on the part Destiny was discussing in the beginning with regards to probability and gambling, he was discussing convergence to a limit, not an asymptote.
Yeah I thought I wasn’t bugging because like asymptotes aren’t supposed to ever meet
Legit this was one of the best Destiny videos, the amount of logical interlacing between these two is uncanny
Loll ethan the drunken master. As a big h3 fan. I hope Ethan sees this. Felt bad a lot of his fans were hating on him.
Former viewer here. Lots of the flack he gets is honestly pretty bad faith. I only stopped watching him because his personality and I thought he was trying too hard to make jokes. But he's always been himself.
oh my god that tiktok at the beginning was the most painful thing ive ever had to endure how do you not bash your head against the wall after making something that condescending and cringe
If you can't stand the heat, stay the heck out kitchen. Next time you wanna talk, take several seats. You're not the victim.
It’s like a Bo Burnham song minus any level of self awareness.
“Why yes I know I’m calling you out for being privileged and white but let me use my white privilege to tell you why you’re a fucking moron.”
@@BloodGangJohnWayne but ethan did handle the heat. his co-host couldn’t. the issue is that communists will attach amoral prescriptions to your character if you push back on their ideas. this is the case in every leftist community.
you may be in the kitchen but you’re cooking NOTHING
I appreciate the opening for showing that video, the creator makes some nice less charged music :)
I absolutely am not a fan of Ethan (although I like him more than Hasan) but Ethan is actually very smart. He pretends to be stupid but is truly smart. He is just extremely politicized (like a lot of people these days) and usually can’t overcome that fact
Back when he was doing comedy/commentary skits Ethan always had something pretty smart to say, then he fell into the comedy more and his brand was being a dumbass (shirts video and vape naysh) then he got lazy and went into podcasts where even less effort was needed
He's never been dumb, it's always been a business move to act stupid
The h3 subreddit is at war with itself right now 🍿
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