Ethan Calls Out Hasan And Goes GLOVES OFF! ►ua-cam.com/video/qlPJ6Av6S0c/v-deo.html H3H3 Debate Prep w/ MauLer And Aba ►ua-cam.com/video/u1-NaqR2RWw/v-deo.html Ethan Reacts To Destiny And Confronts Hasan Again ►ua-cam.com/video/gI-krVLM5G8/v-deo.html
you even warned X to be prepared cause Ethan will be and he shrugged you off. Ive seen people get egg on their faces, but Ethan literally dumped the entire warehouse of eggs on X during this lopsided debate
@@UA-camSCAMEXPOSERS Real time debate is fake and gay, generally a waste of time. Disagreements should be solved in a formal logical way, listing presuppositions and deriving the answer.
XQC in court: Judge: Felix you killed 20 people. XQC: Well John Wayne Gacy killed over 30! And you were licking his balls!! Judge: We sentenced him to death XQC: Okay, if you want to go with ad hominems then, you're bald. Can we have a real conversation now?
Judge: “You are sentenced to 22 life sentences” XQC: “Your honor, do you want me to do the worm to prove my point? Fine, I’ll do it just for you bald ass!” *squirms on floor*
Watching xqc argue is so frustrating lol, he always gets emotional and just starts attacking people personally, and making incoherent arguments. It's like watching a 13-year-old trapped in a grown man's body.
@@ronat16 when his wife came on I think he got mad about x still talking about him being old and bald he could have embarrassed xqc more or he could have done more with the conversation both didn't have a good conversation about anything nobody proved nothing xqc just looks stupid that was his goal he cares more about the gambling thing then this react shit
The comedic timing and just the sheer hilarity of Ethan going "Oh..you do? Well I have this clip of you just YESTERDAY saying your content wasn't transformative" and just springing it on him--holy hell.
People always call Ethan dumb, because during his live he tend to say some dumb stuff, but when the guy prepares, he does know what he is doing. If you look at his track record of his planned debates, I cannot remember him losing one of them.
Exactly like his content, I really don't understand how someone like him could be so successful financially. Proves that he won the lottery and its a lot of luck. Cause to me his torture to watch.
You can only prepare so much when your in the wrong and he didn’t even do that lol. xQc is freaking out because his whole identity is wrapped up in his career and his career is about to crash when DMCA starts cracking down on shit, he better invest his shit smart now cause his streaming is running up on the end of what will be permitted.
@@ATXAdventure x was literally shouting, calling ethan old, saying he had a bad hairline, etc. because Ethan was pointing out flaws with his argument. X heard destiny use the words "ad hominem" once in his life and never bothered to learn what it was, and now just shouts ad hom whenever someone disagrees with him. My boy was 1 step from crying, yeah he was mad
@@BrendanishLeo Should be a ward of the state, worth 100m+ instead. Imagine if we cut 100m checks to people making breakthroughs in cancer research instead of malding vegetables trying to literally worm themselves out of arguments by doing the worm...
He's nowhere near X, but Destiny (streams, not vods), at least 2~ years ago when I consisitently listened were almost 80% destiny playing a stupid game while videos babysit chat. Obv not where most of his income comes from, but he does the same shit on a much lower level lol
@@bentheguy5118They talked about how live streamers were siphoning viewers from his live show. Not surprised you didn’t even watch before commenting though
@@bentheguy5118then he should do it because he just agreed that doing so is actively bad. Idk why you keep having a response when that’s not the point. We know you can’t pause the worlds time
@@GolgappaUwU the reason x thought he looked good is because h3 was not letting him talk he felt like everyone saw that so him getting angry was justified and not a rude thing
@@dt-lg2oc He was deflecting in talking other stupid shit that didn't matter to the convo it was annoying YES but ethan was right he would just waste time and literally his whole chat and his friends who have not said NO to him to make him to lack this much self awareness
it’s crazy to watch xqc admit he loses on legality and doesnt care about it and then immediately forgets about that in the debate and accuses ethan of violating fair use
@@TonyCox1351well he can't even steel man his own position so.. I think he does have an understanding on all of this but it's bugged in with so many layers of retardation it just doesn't look that way.
@@perfectiondreamusa pretty sure that ethan accused xqc of being a thief first and a piece of shit and x just reacted to that by escalating things even more. Prior to this there were barbs about debate tactics traded but nothing of that personal scale. Also sorry to say this but that dm certainly looked paid for by drawing such neat parallels with other "streamers" who gave shoutouts and having an obviously scripted response on this. It was very convenient of ethan to randomly pick a guy's video who gets shoutouts from hassan to attack/single out xqc pretty much... I mean a better decision would have been to pick someone who ethan himself or hassan doesn't know to remove bias/dogpiling/favoritism but we know ethan likes to moralise more than he likes to actually do proper research.
The fact that Destiny wasted so much time prepping xQc on this debate and Ethan literally brought up the arguments that they mock debated on just shows how stupid Felix is. He just straight up is doing an act or has the most shriveled attention span I’ve ever seen in someone my age. Hopefully Ethan can do more debates like this and with PearlyThings, because he’s been destroying these clowns lately.
Listening to this is so sad. I’m actually impressed with Ethan not getting frustrated. Ethan gave multiple good points and XQC will just ignore it and swerve to a different thing that has no relation to the current talking point or give an answer that makes him look bad and does not answer the question. His answers are so inconsistent and delusional. Specially that Hassan part. Ethan was destroying Hassan every single point. The 40 seconds argument. XQC never understood that Ethan meant that there is only 40 seconds of reactions from XQC and that’s the amount of “transformation” he added. Not that there’s 40 seconds of silence. Bro. That “paid actor” statement. Holy. That is the reaction from everything he just heard. That’s what he picked up the most. Also how?! XQC viewed the content from this “paid actor”. This “paid actor” did not make you or deceived you to watch his video. It is so far from the point. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT THE GUY IS AN OUTLIER? Hahahahahaha. Then he tried to solve the thing with money. Hahahahaha. He was the one who brought up paying it and then tries to make an argument about Ethan caring about the amount. XQC’s main objective seems to be making Ethan think or realize that they are the same to make him stop. That is just a fallacy. A smoker telling you that smoking is bad does not make the “smoking is bad” statement wrong just because the one saying it is doing the act. The point still stands even if the one warning you not to do it is doing it. I would be frustrated arguing with this guy. There’s no rebuttal or anything meaningful. There’s no actual debate. It’s possible that he forgets the points Ethan brings up and tunnel visions to something said and doesn’t hear the whole argument Ethan is bringing up.
Ethan steals content, Vince steals content to make content, X does the same, who is at fault here? It doesn't go against the law. X didnt need to speak with these hypocrites.
@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse the problem here is that he is denying it. What? You used the word “steal” and you followed it up with “it doesn’t go against the law”? You are clearly agreeing that XQC is stealing content with that statement but you do not consider it as something against the law.
Maybe I misunderstood Ethan but I feel like he did critique the 40 seconds of silence but it was just being used as a simple example of how it isn't transformative. Like if X watched a video for 90 seconds in silence to try and understand something. Then paused and went on a 5 minute point about something said in the time he's watched I feel like Ethan wouldn't have had an issue and mentioned the 40 seconds of silence. It's because there is 40 seconds of silence and the first thing X says that makes it 'transformative' is something like a one word response like 'what'
Nah, this was his debate loss he was explaining to destiny about, he’s gonna start his training arc with Destiny, and then challenge Ethan to another debate for the ultimate redemption arc. It’s the long con for content boys, strap in.
OMG XQC really couldn’t fathom that Ethan owned his mistakes, apologized for them, and tried to fix them. It’s like he cannot even imagine doing something like that. Destiny was SO CALM and nice talking and explaining stuff to him. He is so ridiculous. He just came on after the debate and kept saying “no he didn’t say that” when Destiny would be like “well… didn’t Ethan say that he got permission to react to that?” Or “didn’t Ethan say that was a mistake?” When Ethan FOR SURE just said that… we all just saw it.
This debate lord shit really screwed over xqc imo. He should have just been honest and just have a convo with Ethan about it. Then he would have come out looking better.
@@bananian he couldn’t. He couldn’t admit he was wrong at all. Even when getting advice from Destiny… and Destiny was so nice with him. He just kept making excuses and turning it around on Ethan.
X destroyed Ethan. Ethan doesn't give a shit about morality, he's grandstanding for clout. And X called him out for trying to take the high road. He's annoying, disingenuous, hypocritical and gets his takes based on whatever direction the clout winds are blowing. Have no idea why anyone watches him or cares about his opinions, and don't understand how people think he destroyed X here, he's not genuine, he just wants to be the hero, and came off looking like a rat calling him a "content thief" when him and his boy Hasan do the exact same thing. And destinys evaluation is way off, he just agrees with Ethan's perspective so he thinks he won, and isn't looking at it objectively.
Destiny had me thinking there might be some merit to his and Xqc's stance on this the other day, but this debate convinced me otherwise. Potentially greater profits (on either side of the situation) is not a moral justification to violate someone's property rights. Neither is popular demand for the format, I don't care if the exposure turns out to be a net benefit for the initial creator or not, the person reacting doesn't get to make that call.
fun fact: the creator ethan brought up (who xqc called a paid actor) confirmed he tried to take X up on his offer of paying him for the react, and x has not, in fact, responded.
Kudos to Destiny for not being another yes man in xQc's circle. He needs more friends to tell him how it really is and hopefully help him see his delusions.
@@bargaingoldandsilver that's because he's a mentor and not an opponent. You don't grow if everyone disagreeing with you is hardcore debating you 24/7 and you don't have someone put things into perspective for you
@@shanegrayson7068 not entirely, he agress with him as a streamer but if was a youtuber not really. he still thinks the way xqc goes about this is wrong.
Destiny says he doesnt have a really strong feeling around the whole react stuff. But to be fair, if you are fully against react content, as a streamer, you would be out of a job. Cause playing games is also copyrighted material. And at that point, I will imagine he got some strong feelings then.
XQC thinking he made anyone mad in that debate besides himself is adorable. This whole drama has probably been the biggest role in the internet's favor of Ethan since... Hell I don't even know... 2019?? The best part is, it's not even because Ethan made an extraordinarily convincing, rock solid arguments, it's mostly just because X got extremely EMOTIONAL (heh heh ;) immediately, was bad faith pretty much the entire time, and has the self actualization of a 3 year old... ex. "You just solved your TeddyFresh problem by firing the employee, so if that's an acceptable solution then I can just fire and hire a new editor after every react video and no one can be mad right?!?!" There's no way he ACTUALLY thinks like that, but then again, this is the same guy who got a McLaren registered in his girlfriends name, and unreasonably expected to claim ownership of the car when they separated ROFL
I thought the same originally, but after the conversation with destiny and xQc, I left believing that xQc thought he did really well...especially with the insults.
i watched this earlier, a 2.5 out of 10 is bad, this was horrible, XCQ accused people of being paid actors, refused to engage in any point, and provided a horribly misleading edited video cutting out ethans reactions to make the point he doesn't react enough and is as guilty as XQC, i say this as someone who hates ethan's commie ass, ethan won that debate from every angle
you say you “hate ethan’s commie ass” but it’s funny how xqc is actually the one with the commie take here; with no defense other than “i want to do it” and “everyone does it”
It was .05 and I am an Xqc viewer but He used mizkif example - have you checked mizkif re upload? Neo explains also lied abt 2 things - Xqc reactions was kind of trash in that video To win a debate against Xqc is not a big deal - you can sit without uttering a word and he will start countering his own arguments after five minutes
What does XQC not understand that reuploading the same exact video takes views and revenue from the original creator? Or maybe he does know and doesnt care
all yt videos views per day, overtime, will follow a similar curve (unless an irregular force is acted upon it, such as a streamer reacting to it). They daily views should decrease after a peak, however if the rate of decrease *decreases* (if the views decreased by 10% in the last 10 days, but decreased by 5% the next 5 days after a reaction) you could conclude that, while there is a net negative, the reaction actually positively affected the daily views. If views are synonymous with ad rev, the revenue would be positively affected as well.
@@lofvi Yeah, but, you do have to consider the UA-cam algorithm in that scenario. It recommends a video to different people at different times, which interferes with the curve. Most UA-cam videos showcase a natural curve, then the curve changes due to the algorithm recommending it to people, then it normalises, and the cycle repeats. xQc reaction videos are usually uploaded very quickly, within a few hours, of him reacting to a video on stream. So, it's very possible that what we're actually seeing is xQc getting recommended the video due to the algorithm, which means that the algorithm is responsible for the slowing of the decline, and the fact that there isn't a bump in the graph after xQc's video was released shows that it didn't actually have a positive effect on the views. In fact, the steeper decline later in the graph shows xQc's video directly competing with the original video in the algorithm. So, with both videos competing in the algorithm, the video doesn't receive the same boost it did earlier in the algorithm before xQc's reaction video was released. The other thing that I'm thinking Ethan should have pressed xQc on is the "My channel isn't growing," comment. That's actually an interesting point because interest in reaction content on UA-cam is actually declining. There's a demonstrable trend of people on UA-cam getting bored of Twitch streamers reacting to videos, and xQc not only can see that, he's clearly upset by it. That's why he's starting drama, appearing on a stream with Mauler, and seems so unhinged. He's losing viewers and trying these odd tactics to continue being relevant, and it's working for Ethan, Mauler, and SomeOrdinaryGamers, but not for him. His audience is clearly getting bored of him, and that must really upset a guy who signed a $100 million streaming deal and likely has a lot of pressure on him to earn that money back for the company.
XQC unintentionally made a really good argument for how hard it can be to react to a video because watching his debate performance was actually painful
I was laughing at the stupidity the entire time and pointing out the glaring flaws in my head to myself (would've been weird if I just talked to myself lmfao)
He asks the debate master how he did...the debate master explains he did shit....then continues to disagree with the debate master on his performance lmao. Jesus Christ.
Remember that kind of flustered anger you sometimes felt as a teenager but eventually learned to control? It's actually almost kind of sad to see an adult man still so easily being controlled by that.
Why would he? He lives in his personal multimillionaire bubble, surround by people that cream and give him money for silently watching a video or letting it play while he does whatever. If I could choose I'd pick that over being self aware any time.
There are tens of thousands of morons on twitter today claiming he "cooked" Ethan and that everyone is just "malding". I really hate this stupid gay ass Earth.
@@richardhands904i mean you need to recognize your lack of knowledge for you to realize this is a smart thing to do, which in itself is a sort of paradox lmao
I've had relationships with people who argue like this and the talking in circles is neverending. They genuinely do not want to come to a solution or understanding, they just want to keep fault, responsibility and accountability far far away from themselves.
I’m sorry but I don’t even agree with destiny on this stuff. I mean, the fact that most of these streamers don’t even shout out the UA-cam creator after barely even commenting on the video is absurd to me. I can see this becoming a big problem legally down the road.
The problem is arrogance, xqc lost because he is arrogant. In the debate prep he was like “Ethan will be easy and not a challenge” just for this to happen. It could’ve been different had he taken in the arguments from the impartial panel from the prep instead of calling them clowns and saying “irrelevant point.” And destiny, rightfully so, is saying “uh huh” because xqc isn’t going to accept 2/10 as a rating
But it’s not arrogance alone. Maybe he has ADHD or something: He speaks too fast and too loud, his thoughts jump over the place, he literally worms around, and his emotions are completely unregulated.
@@jf1573 Bruh i really wish people would stop with the ADHD excuse. Sure it's a disorder that affects atention but it's not like he has a 5 sec memory or can't hold a cohesive train of thought, the way he loses his shit out of nowhere way too fast has nothing to do with that.
That's been everyone's downfall with him so far. He's not a stupid guy, and he knows that a debate needs preparation. People come on and get cornered lol.
I‘m not saying his behavior is okay. I‘m saying that he shows carelessness, reckless behavior, disregard for the well-being of others (and himself), temper tantrums, and YES a 5 sec. attention span … These are major ADHD symptoms in adults - look it up.
It’s a thing people do. When their whole framework of life is built on an axiom, they won’t even consider challenging it. His brain literally wouldn’t comprehend any of the arguments because he doesn’t want to. He wants to muddy the waters and swim away like a freaky little squid
The fact that xQc doesn't understand the difference between making a mistake and then ensuring the mistake never happens again and making a mistake and then continuing to knowingly make that mistake is a worrying indictment on his intelligence and/or character.
Not really it just looks like that optically because the audience doesn't keep in mind that X doesn't consider that a mistake at all. X thinks no copyright is better for everyone. So he never made mistakes
what mistakes he made? he makes tons of money off of reaction videos. That's a W not a mistake. Anybody with a brain would keep doing it as long as possible. It's like printing money
@@sten260at the expense of the people you’re stealing from. Anyone who is a real man, has character and stands on their on two would at a bare minimum make more transformative reaction content. The fact that the only thing you considered here is money and not how it effects smaller creators says a lot about your character.
He's smart in other ways, guy plays the most situational role in OW and made it to the pro levels. He's intelligent in certain areas. I doubt Nicola Tesla was a good debater else he wouldn't have ended up ostracized and alone.
Well if you’re in a debate, and you’re able to get the other person to get all emotional and act like a baby, they effectively lose a lot of credibility, if not all of it. It makes you look more mature and level headed, and thus more reasonable. Exhibit A: xQc in this exact debate. He got emotional, went for personal attacks, and went off on incoherent ramblings. Now everyone thinks he looks stupid and childish
There are 3 kids in daycare: Kid A is stacking up blocks Kid B is running around, he trips and knocks over Kid A’s blocks, Kid B promptly apologizes and helps Kid A’s blocks and stops running around so it doesn’t happen again. Kid C walks over and Kicks the blocks over, after Kid A starts crying he helps him pick it up. then he does it again, and then again. Kid B tells Kid C to stop what he’s doing. Kid C responds that Kid B is a hypocrite because he knocked over the blocks too. XQC is Kid C
This was very frustrating. xQc argued in bad faith. I really wish he didn’t nitpick the irrelevant details. He focused so heavily on proving the little things wrong that the big argument was never addressed. Also, he’s very scattered in his arguments and it undermines the point he’s trying to make. If he had good rebuttals to Ethan’s arguments he failed to deliver on them. He’s also too emotional at the start, which didn’t help his cause.
Felix got majorly cooked. He didn't have a leg to stand on. Love him or hate him, Ethan has his shit together and does his best in a debate when he's calm and well-prepared. He's a king of the 'slow-cook' He reduced Felix to a writhing wreck in the end LOL.
God what an insufferable person. I genuinely think there is nothing XQC could ever admit to getting wrong, he obviously knows how badly he lost the debate but his ego is so big he just refuses to ever admit it and shifts to random nonsensical arguments. The fact he turns to “I’m making money and hes malding” just speaks for itself.
I disagree on "he knows how badly he lost". There are people like this who genuinely believe everything they say. He still couldn't grasp the difference between firing an employee for making a mistake, versus intentionally hiring an employee for the sole purpose of firing them for making a mistake. I've watched him for years and it always ends with him saying something along the lines of "this chat is so stupid dude" and changing topics. He never has real pushback on his opinions and you can see why
@@kieranholmes8086 xQc and his editors clipped the end of the debate and put in the thumbnail, a speech bubble of Ethan saying "I'm gonna leave because I can't beat him".
"When it comes to morality I win by a land slide and by character I uhh um on a general level" how fucking delusional. I find ethan insufferable as much as the next guy but I trust him more on content creation rights and morality more than any streamer. Dude has fought tooth and nail to make DMCA more fair and reasonable than most anyone else. XQC is just a big child getting told "wow what you're doing is kinda a A-hole move" and then throwing a hissy fit saying he's a good person.
The thing is Ethan has been on the platform for a decade and cares about it being sustainable for people going forward. (Also Ethan just cares about stuff in general, he’s a dad he’s trying to make a good world for them) xQc only cares about himself and buying flashy things to prop up his fragile ego.
@@LizStaples Yeah cause Ethan hasn't done anything immoral in his streams. He's definitely never called for the bombing of a large group of innocent people... Oh yeah, the NRA. Betcha thought I'd say Palestinians XD
Ethan: "we have you on camera admitting you do transformative content" X: "yeah but you do it too and way worse than me Ethan: "show me proof cause idk what you're talking about" X: "i'm richer than you"
Let's coin a term for this: _Internalized Dishonesty_ xQc is wholly unable to see how bad faith his arguments are. Still maintains he won with convincing points in the chat after. Can't repeat the criticism honestly.
I think projection fits better. He is dishonest and just assumes everyone else is as well. That's why he so often defaults to "Well I'm rich so you're jealous", that's how he feels when others are successful
It'd be different from Trump in that Trump flat out lies, and does it out of vanity. And it's different from Trump supporters in that they construct a delusional net of conspiracies to fit their world view. But xQc is - in principle - actually interested in having a debate about the facts. However he's then unable to weigh his own arguments honestly against the opponent's. He thinks he's making convincing points while Ethan would just try to trick and silence him.
The only reason Destiny is in the wrong side of this discussion is because of a conflict of interests. He’s a streamer that does a lot of react content. Admittedly, he puts A LOT more effort into his reactions and transforms the content to a much higher degree that xqc ever has but the point still stands, he’s not unbiased. I’d be interesting to watch him play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite of what he beliefs in a good faith manner, I know he’s capable.
exactly. Destiny actually does transformative shit because of the debate part. If he links vids its like 1 min of vid and 20 min of commentary. Hes just too self interested to admit that theres react content thats dogshit and just has the streamers face next to the actual video. IE JCS vids
xQc is a prime example of why we should not be making mentally ill people rich and famous. This guy was given a platform to discuss a serious topic and acted like a child the entire time. From calling someone whose videos he has stolen a paid actor to crawling on the floor like a worm in the middle of everything. I seriously think he is off of whatever meds he's supposed to be on...
@@crystalsinghmarketing9827 @drod2k1 I agree with both of you 100% it's the fast talking and sporadic talking points. Admittedly, I have only seen a few of Felix's videos, but I have never seen him like this.
Few content creators dare to call out XQC because he has a massive following. They’d all rather suck up to him. Ethan has never really cared about that.
I believe alot of streamers suffer from what XQC's going through. Certain things have been normalized for so long and went unchallenged for multiple reasons but being held accountable now comes as a surprise or comes across as a storm in a teacup because "Why now? I never had issues doing this before"
While there is some validity in this, it does not excuse the behavior and asking anyone in a bubble to mature rapidly is a hard ask. But being such public figures that engage in things that cause harm to people requires a higher bar of conduct to be set. I'm not saying it's fair in principle, but that falls short when it harms people that are in less successful positions that are protected by copyright law.
I think xqc is just a moron and doesn’t really care about past he just knows that’s what the algorithm favors atm and he tries to kill it like other people while thinking nothing about crediting the original creators or putting effort to make the content transformative enough.
1:53:02 "You just called him a balding mauling cuck, I don't think you actually illustrated this point" - Destiny "Which is still a lotta more FACTS!" -xQc This despite Ethan bring his wife into the debate because xQc kept bringing her into it and Ethan has a full head of hair for everyone to see.
XQC is scared of being a bad person, so he has to always point to other people and claim they are being the same or hypocrites. But his ego that otherwise helps him withstand streaming 15 hours a day in front of 50k+ people in not allowing him to admit his mistake and make a change.
He’s not scared of being a bad person. He does not give a single fuck. He’s just deflecting. Over the last week he has refused to listen to anyone’s advice or accept any view other than his own. Selfish P.O.S.
Oh my god, watching you try to calmly give xqc some guidance one what he’s going to bring up and sending him off to battle was like a parent hyping his 13 year old up before sending him into a lion enclosure at the zoo
This entire argument sounds like a dad trying to explain to his son why stealing from the other kids is wrong. Then the son screaming and throwing a temper tantrum at dad. In general I don't often agree with Ethan, but this was honestly pathetic from xqc.
It sucks that xqc can’t just chill and make points, even when he has them, he absolutely fumbles the ball by shouting nonsense, getting mad and entirely losing the vibe of the conversation thinking his opponent is feeling the way he actually is
Xqc has no good points though. Destiny's chat was trying to get him to go in the whole video to save Xqc. Which is honestly disingenuous. IV watched Xqc from the beginning to now. Never liked his content, he's an edgy dbag who can't put together a sentence. His whole career is just being an angry gamer. It's the same shit with Asmon. Atleast Asmon grew his brand and has good insight on certain topics even if I don't agree with it.
Keep in mind that H3 won a case about fair use. I don't get why Xqc even went in to that debate with that level of confidence. Its like he went right for the Final Boss when he should have at least debated SomeOrdinaryGamers about this first.
Rofl I just got to the point where destiny does jump in to save XQC and he still fails. Why the fuck is he trying to save him? Call your friend out for being shitty. I do it all the time and my friends do it to me.
XQC will not think it's a problem, UNTIL. Some no name streamer just starts using his content, and making far more off of it than he does. Then he'll be a champion of the law. I have been watching this kind of crap unfold with this shitlords for over a decade. He's not anything new, it's just his turn.
during the pre debate prep he already said that someone with 20 viewers cant do what he does since they dont have the community to make it transformative or you cant make xqc merchandise. ip protections for me and not for thee lmao
Its pretty impressive how XQC's debating skills just include being loud, rambling, and filled with personal attacks. A one way ticket of just looking like an emotional child who cant have a serious conversation without taking it personal. Ive watched him here and there over the last few years and it seems like he is getting more and more miserable day by day.
If you listen to the post-debate conversation with Destiny, especially starting at 1:31:00 he's so lost in his own point of view. But then later being able to express what he wanted to express during the debate, which would have made his case much better, but unable to see that he *did not bring it up* in the debate itself. Like your opponent should be so charitable as to be able to read what's in your mind. A child indeed.
“It’s easy to say I regret this, lul” -XQC, a man who can’t admit fault Dude got mad cause he wanted to get into a clip war with Ethan, but Ethan just apologized and ruined XQC’s whole angle. XQC doesn’t even have a stance to defend, it’s scary that even in a room talking to himself he’d manage to lose the argument. His “Ethan Malding” take is pure projection. XQC got embarrassed by h3h3 massive L for zoomers Edit: tldr XQC gets mad when expected to think critically
To all the people in chat calling it unfair that it was 2 v 1 at some point: well xqc shouldn’t have brought up irrelevant stuff about teddy fresh, which is HILA‘s business and not etha‘s, if he didn‘t want answers from the relevant person.
I mean it’s relevant to the conversation. There’s a reason Ethan said we fired them and not my wife fired them. He’s obviously integral to her business and has a lot of say. He funds her projects and is directly involved in their company. He’s just as culpable in running their sweat shop as she is.
@@Jm-dx9tlEthan said 'we' because he supported his wife and her decisions, she says we when talking about the H3 podcast. They also mean the team of people around them who run the show and make decisions. Ethan is very full time with the podcast. XQC was just looking for an attack line that might anger Ethan, which is why he didn't care about their response or ask further questions. Hila is right to be offended by somebody suggesting her company is her husband's responsibility.
I am not sure if xQc was unaware of how poorly his showing was against Ethan or just hungry for another L. However, I will say he is brave. After not doing well in a debate against Ethan, xQc then proceeds to debate Destiny. That's like struggling in a fight with an amateur boxer and losing then challenging the champion.
I wouldn't call this conversation a debate, it's more like Destiny patting a kid on the head and going "so when you stepped on the rake and the rake then hit you in the face, do you think this was maybe a mistake?"
The most maddening shit about all of this is the confidence XQC has in either believing or pretending to believe that the reacting fair use issue is so black and white. Anyone applying any type of good faith and thought to it can understand the complexity of it and why each side has their views.
Doesn't he realise how scummy he looks? I don't get why people do the 'Well you do it too, so it's fine' Defence. Like the whole start was just him saying that everyone else is also a piece of shit so it's fine if he does it, it's the meta lol He has enough money to stop doing it forever and still does it.
Lmao he just admitted that he wasn’t even listening to what Ethan was saying and was just waiting for him to finish talking so he could open his mouth. This makes so much sense lol. That’s why he kept repeating the same thing over and over again. He’s so focused on becoming a debate lord that he can’t even give a proper response and he just says the next bullet point on his list. It’s like that South Park episode where Hillary Clinton’s team just tells her to call Garrison a liar and a thief regardless of what he says.
Same.. but that's X for you. Always taking the path of least resistance for that easy dub. He knew that Ethan couldn't do the worm back at him, so it was a bit of a low blow.
Listening to this kid’s perspective of his performance vs Ethan’s is stunning to me. It’s quite literally the opposite. He’s delusional and narcissistic.
It becomes clear very quickly that xQc is entirely overwhelmed by the idea that this can be wrong or right for more than 1 reason Whenever aditional criteria are mentioned he treats it as if "the" reason was changed
In his mind the only reason for attacking him is out of pure malice, so he experiences multiple arguments as the other person making up reasons to attack him
I hate labeling someone, or diagnosing them because it’s a serious thing and it’s nothing to play around with because if you have lived with someone or even loved someone that shows cluster B traits that are this glaringly obvious. After about 5 minutes I was holding my breath because I’ve lived this but in a different context and I’m glad Ethan got off the stream when he did because XQC wasn’t going to take anything Ethan had to say other then it being an all out attack. Text book Narcissist, the what about ism was off the charts, it was like two different conversations, the twisting of words, to try and drive his own narrative, the gaslighting, living in his own reality when he said Ethan didn’t call out Hassan for the same thing. I could go on all night because this behavior and treatment it so familiar to me. XQC is missing one of the most valuable things that “normal” people take for granted, truly being able to step outside oneself and see it from someone else’s view. Without this there is no empathy. Its also a little funny how people that are narcissistic have an outwardly inflated sense or belief in there own abilities even though deep inside they are broken and the most insecure people among us. XQC doesn’t understand that doing something all day every day (and also continuing to “steal” content) and someone doing something a hand full of times and a while back is not the same thing and either way its wrong. Its wrong when Ethan did it and definitely wrong when XQC basically makes his living off of it. At least Ethan acknowledged its wrong, but XQC will never say its wrong and actually believe what he’s saying. Its a dead giveaway that when Ethan had him cornered XQC started the personal attacks and then started to loose it. I bet being either XQC’s friend or being in a relationship with that dude is exhausting in the worst ways possible. I hope Destiny can help him, but I can tell he’s walking on eggshells because he realizes XQC’s personality traits and if he even remotely takes Ethan’s side then XQC will feel betrayed. Destiny’s definitely had practice dealing with people with Cluster B traits.
Yep, well said... I wonder how much of a noxious, neurotic, nonsensical, narcissistic numbskull Felix was prior to his massive success live streaming? 🤔 Most likely there was a 🚩or two, I'd have a hard time believing he was some intelligent, well spoken, empathetic, easy going French Canadian dude that just couldn't handle getting Twitch Rich and was thoroughly corrupted into this barely comprehendible arrogant mess XQC. He is going through an rather nasty "parting of ways" with his ex-wife/ common law GF who seems to be biting her tongue until what's almost certain to be (Canada) an absurd settlement... probs the smart move 🤐⏳🤬💰
xQc thinks his gotchas are way bigger than they are. They aren’t. xQc’s summary of what he thinks Ethan’s intentions, arguments, and that Ethan is bad faith is completely unwarranted.
I know Ethan has made many mistakes. But he has genuinely done a good job at bettering himself and improved. Also his debate record is surprisingly impressive. The hate towards him lately is almost fully unwarranted imo
I'm looking at the chat right now, and it just seems to me that Destiny's chat is facepalming and cringing so hard on X's behalf. Is that considered bias?
@@ZenMuff1n this topic is probably more likely to effect them than anything else Destiny discusses. Who gives a fuck about Tate or Ukraine in terms of how it effects their daily lives. World Wide topics but the most you see is some goober defending Russian or redpiller acting butthurt on some podcast. If this react content thing gets big enough, it will affect how twitch streamers and UA-camrs are able to function. It'll affect the content people spend many hours engaging in.
I’m reading it as Hila came on to defend her business and people were legit saying it was a 2v1 debate as if Ethan wasn’t just passing on xqcs decomposing corpse for the last 45 minutes lmfao
Could UA-cam implement a system similar to the one for song covers? Like, for react videos, they could share 20% of the revenue with the original creator. simple and Win-win? you can react to anything you want, creators will WANT you to.
The day that YT implements that is the day that NO-ONE will make a reaction again. Also, it would need to be really good since people will start making reupload channels and start abusing the system to make money off other's people content.
@@tiredidealist Okay, then why are you here? Why are you on the channel of a guy who mainly just reacts to and talks about stuff. Would there be a Destiny video on this if the original video didn't exist? No. So by your standards Destiny should make no money here, didn't do any notable amount of work because at the core there will always be another video.
It would just become another avenue for copyright abusers. The same way in 2022 it was meta to buy defunct music accounts, upload a copyright-free song with a popular song or sound spliced in, and mass claim videos across the site. Even to this day some people get away with posting full playthroughs of games and claiming other channels' videos because they share cinematics. In fact, right now, from my dashboard, I can claim over 100 other people's playthroughs for other games and at least a dozen reviews. To say this system is dysfunctional is putting it mildly.
The problem is I think that content still has to transform in some way. Like you shouldn’t be allowed to just repost someone’s video with your face in the corner and they only get 20%. You still have to transform it
I remember people telling me XQC is actually really smart but it's just an act for content. How many L's does he have to take before they admit he is as dumb as a bag of rocks. Good for him for doing his streaming and getting his bag but I wouldn't trust him to put together an Ikea desk for me.
xQc goes on and on about stats and how much he has. You literally can't make a statement like, "Ethan if you're going to bring up stats you're going to get absolutely clapped," and then fail to bring forward compelling evidence. The automatic assumption of everyone who heard that interaction is that xQc has no stats to back him up and is just waiting for everyone else to prove a negative, when if X had stats that prove his reactions are beneficial for people, all he'd need to do to win the debate was show those stats and force Ethan to look at them. But he didn't, because he doesn't have any statistics. The only piece of evidence he had was one Ethan provided that he tries to spin in his favor, because the heavily edited clips you provided weren't compelling whatsoever once it was discovered that X's editor cut out all the commentary Ethan was doing. And the examples where Ethan wasn't being transformative he had explicit permission. That's why Ethan refused to see any more of those videos cause he knew they were all idiotic and off point because X doesn't understand a single thing about fair use and how it operates. Instead of telling Ethan how wrong his stats are, provide your own that proves your argument instead of relying on calling a guy who has a better hair line than himself, bald. xQc thinking he did well in the debate is the height of delusion.
I feel Destiny is playing nice with a fellow Kick streamer because there aren't many of them. He's maybe just in good faith but I can see why it might seem in bad faith instead.
I know Destiny has a somewhat vested interest in being pro-react, but I also think it's just his contrarian instinct and his tendency to totally dig his heels in when the debate is still ongoing. Sometimes he can change his mind but it's only after all this stuff has died down, and tbh he's not really even taking in the main points of why it's bad so I'm not convinced he would even change is mind then
I don't know how xqc can't realize that saying "I don't care about fair use, and yes I know I make the original content have fewer views" is like.... a full-stop loss. Every single thing he said was whataboutisms and direct attacks
xqc's whole thing was trying to make Eithen out be a hyprocrte, which wether it's true or not doesn't invalidate his argument. It's a logical falicy and it's insane.
Just getting a glimpse at old Ethan was really rewarding. It's interesting to watch this debate as someone who generally dislikes both Ethan and xQc because it is so obvious that Ethan destroyed him from the first minute, but there are so many comments and reddit posts defending xQc. Also omegalul that destiny got up and left the room just like Hasan
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you even warned X to be prepared cause Ethan will be and he shrugged you off. Ive seen people get egg on their faces, but Ethan literally dumped the entire warehouse of eggs on X during this lopsided debate
@@UA-camSCAMEXPOSERS Real time debate is fake and gay, generally a waste of time. Disagreements should be solved in a formal logical way, listing presuppositions and deriving the answer.
😂😂😂😂Another fail for discount Tim Pool. Whats that like being a RFK knock off Destiny?
destiny needs to react harder
Why do people even care about Ethan? Didn't he come out as one of those black supremacist cuckolds?
XQC in court:
Judge: Felix you killed 20 people.
XQC: Well John Wayne Gacy killed over 30! And you were licking his balls!!
Judge: We sentenced him to death
XQC: Okay, if you want to go with ad hominems then, you're bald. Can we have a real conversation now?
this is too accurate
Basically a summary of this "debate."
Judge: “You are sentenced to 22 life sentences”
XQC: “Your honor, do you want me to do the worm to prove my point? Fine, I’ll do it just for you bald ass!” *squirms on floor*
@@bingusenjoyer197lololllol😅
“And you were licking his balls!” Lmfao I’m dead
Watching xqc argue is so frustrating lol, he always gets emotional and just starts attacking people personally, and making incoherent arguments. It's like watching a 13-year-old trapped in a grown man's body.
Yet he was still right. Cope L3L3 simp 😂
@@TurtleChad1how is attacking someones wife being right
"Whatchu say bichass?" That's a pretty fair review.
did you comment this on multiple videos or am I having severe deja vu
A very frail grown man’s body at that
2.5/10 was actually extremely generous. This was S tier getting crushed in a debate.
I dunno, lol. If a baseline 1 is getting nervous, throwing up then quitting the debate then this could be a 2. Haha
"Ethan definitely got mad, seemed to me" - the 28 year old who tried to insult someone's hairline after being called a thief
He’s fucking 28?!??!??!? Dawg.
@@dantewhirlpool2227 he's fucking 28 and out here literally squirming like a worm and acting like he won the conversation, much less the debate SMH
Tbh he was mad thats why he left and had no respect for x
@@dt-lg2oc respect earns respect. Ethan wasn't mad, he was tired of xQc being a child and throwing a tantrum about t-shirt designs
@@ronat16 when his wife came on I think he got mad about x still talking about him being old and bald he could have embarrassed xqc more or he could have done more with the conversation both didn't have a good conversation about anything nobody proved nothing xqc just looks stupid that was his goal he cares more about the gambling thing then this react shit
The comedic timing and just the sheer hilarity of Ethan going "Oh..you do? Well I have this clip of you just YESTERDAY saying your content wasn't transformative" and just springing it on him--holy hell.
In the first few minutes too... lol XQC lost as soon as that happened
I could almost hear Curb Your Enthusiasm play in the background
Ethan wiped the floor with XQC, it's so clear to see he was underprepared for this debate. He comes across as dishonest, egotistical and childish.
People always call Ethan dumb, because during his live he tend to say some dumb stuff, but when the guy prepares, he does know what he is doing. If you look at his track record of his planned debates, I cannot remember him losing one of them.
@@chinchillatwitch7234Well Ethan’s point has very easy counter arguments, it’s just not hard to debate Xqc
Exactly like his content, I really don't understand how someone like him could be so successful financially. Proves that he won the lottery and its a lot of luck. Cause to me his torture to watch.
You can only prepare so much when your in the wrong and he didn’t even do that lol. xQc is freaking out because his whole identity is wrapped up in his career and his career is about to crash when DMCA starts cracking down on shit, he better invest his shit smart now cause his streaming is running up on the end of what will be permitted.
@@LizStaples no I don't think so cos streaming on kick it's probably difficult to dmca strike people stuff
the fact xqc thinks Ethan was malding, while xqc is screaming at the screen is so funny
Worm = Mald
@@ATXAdventure x was literally shouting, calling ethan old, saying he had a bad hairline, etc. because Ethan was pointing out flaws with his argument. X heard destiny use the words "ad hominem" once in his life and never bothered to learn what it was, and now just shouts ad hom whenever someone disagrees with him.
My boy was 1 step from crying, yeah he was mad
@@BrendanishLeo Should be a ward of the state, worth 100m+ instead. Imagine if we cut 100m checks to people making breakthroughs in cancer research instead of malding vegetables trying to literally worm themselves out of arguments by doing the worm...
The irony of destiny walking off camera to just let a reaction debate video play isnt lost on me
I was thinking same 💀 but he has permission so
He's nowhere near X, but Destiny (streams, not vods), at least 2~ years ago when I consisitently listened were almost 80% destiny playing a stupid game while videos babysit chat.
Obv not where most of his income comes from, but he does the same shit on a much lower level lol
@@BrendanishLeoI definitely think Twitch is different from UA-cam and the scale is not the same. But you're still right.
@@bentheguy5118They talked about how live streamers were siphoning viewers from his live show. Not surprised you didn’t even watch before commenting though
@@bentheguy5118then he should do it because he just agreed that doing so is actively bad. Idk why you keep having a response when that’s not the point. We know you can’t pause the worlds time
It's crazy how XQC seems to genuinely think he looked good in that debate. The cope here is just insane
This what being surrounded by yes man does
@@GolgappaUwUwho is the yes man....
@@GolgappaUwU the reason x thought he looked good is because h3 was not letting him talk he felt like everyone saw that so him getting angry was justified and not a rude thing
@@GolgappaUwU You are probably right because I don’t know this man but from this one video he seems to be a delusional sore loser..
@@dt-lg2oc He was deflecting in talking other stupid shit that didn't matter to the convo it was annoying YES but ethan was right he would just waste time and literally his whole chat and his friends who have not said NO to him to make him to lack this much self awareness
it’s crazy to watch xqc admit he loses on legality and doesnt care about it and then immediately forgets about that in the debate and accuses ethan of violating fair use
i think ethan kind of going to ad homs and attacking him kind of turned xqc into el goblino mode.
@@trololkhil9868 yeah he should have just called him bald and a paid actor first that would have have kept the debate civil
It seems like XQC genuinely does not understand Ethan’s arguments against him. Like he couldn’t steel man Ethan if he tried.
@@TonyCox1351well he can't even steel man his own position so.. I think he does have an understanding on all of this but it's bugged in with so many layers of retardation it just doesn't look that way.
@@perfectiondreamusa pretty sure that ethan accused xqc of being a thief first and a piece of shit and x just reacted to that by escalating things even more. Prior to this there were barbs about debate tactics traded but nothing of that personal scale.
Also sorry to say this but that dm certainly looked paid for by drawing such neat parallels with other "streamers" who gave shoutouts and having an obviously scripted response on this.
It was very convenient of ethan to randomly pick a guy's video who gets shoutouts from hassan to attack/single out xqc pretty much...
I mean a better decision would have been to pick someone who ethan himself or hassan doesn't know to remove bias/dogpiling/favoritism but we know ethan likes to moralise more than he likes to actually do proper research.
The fact that Destiny wasted so much time prepping xQc on this debate and Ethan literally brought up the arguments that they mock debated on just shows how stupid Felix is. He just straight up is doing an act or has the most shriveled attention span I’ve ever seen in someone my age. Hopefully Ethan can do more debates like this and with PearlyThings, because he’s been destroying these clowns lately.
This
I think he’s just really dumb, coupled with the language barrier that only accentuates his stupidness
I knew it was gonna be a shit show when X’s main retort while talking to Destiny was “I don’t care”.
I wouldn't call it a waste of time, it was quality content for the viewers.
@@DecayedPony true.
Listening to this is so sad. I’m actually impressed with Ethan not getting frustrated. Ethan gave multiple good points and XQC will just ignore it and swerve to a different thing that has no relation to the current talking point or give an answer that makes him look bad and does not answer the question. His answers are so inconsistent and delusional. Specially that Hassan part. Ethan was destroying Hassan every single point.
The 40 seconds argument. XQC never understood that Ethan meant that there is only 40 seconds of reactions from XQC and that’s the amount of “transformation” he added. Not that there’s 40 seconds of silence.
Bro. That “paid actor” statement. Holy. That is the reaction from everything he just heard. That’s what he picked up the most. Also how?! XQC viewed the content from this “paid actor”. This “paid actor” did not make you or deceived you to watch his video. It is so far from the point. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT THE GUY IS AN OUTLIER? Hahahahahaha. Then he tried to solve the thing with money. Hahahahaha. He was the one who brought up paying it and then tries to make an argument about Ethan caring about the amount.
XQC’s main objective seems to be making Ethan think or realize that they are the same to make him stop. That is just a fallacy. A smoker telling you that smoking is bad does not make the “smoking is bad” statement wrong just because the one saying it is doing the act. The point still stands even if the one warning you not to do it is doing it.
I would be frustrated arguing with this guy. There’s no rebuttal or anything meaningful. There’s no actual debate. It’s possible that he forgets the points Ethan brings up and tunnel visions to something said and doesn’t hear the whole argument Ethan is bringing up.
Ethan steals content, Vince steals content to make content, X does the same, who is at fault here? It doesn't go against the law. X didnt need to speak with these hypocrites.
@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse the problem here is that he is denying it.
What? You used the word “steal” and you followed it up with “it doesn’t go against the law”? You are clearly agreeing that XQC is stealing content with that statement but you do not consider it as something against the law.
You can tell at points Ethan was getting a bit frustrated. Especially when his wife came on. He definitely wasn't big on X yelling at his wife.
Maybe I misunderstood Ethan but I feel like he did critique the 40 seconds of silence but it was just being used as a simple example of how it isn't transformative. Like if X watched a video for 90 seconds in silence to try and understand something. Then paused and went on a 5 minute point about something said in the time he's watched I feel like Ethan wouldn't have had an issue and mentioned the 40 seconds of silence. It's because there is 40 seconds of silence and the first thing X says that makes it 'transformative' is something like a one word response like 'what'
@@peachcobblercake3968 near the end yeah. Ethan was actually done then.
I've never seen someone lose a debate so badly
Fr and I don’t even mind XQC, he handled this whole thing terribly
Then think they won 😂🤣
_No Bullshit_ flashbacks...
Xqc got soo butt hurt so early on
You must be new here
Xqc's debating arc needs to stop, its getting embarrassing.
He was right tho
🪱🪱🪱
"The debating needs to stop..."
@@TurtleChad1🧢
Nah, this was his debate loss he was explaining to destiny about, he’s gonna start his training arc with Destiny, and then challenge Ethan to another debate for the ultimate redemption arc. It’s the long con for content boys, strap in.
Xqc has the morality of a 10 year old and a 10 year old's ability to rationalize it.
That's a little generous...
basically that, the only time i saw that ethan was wrong was the analytics data, saying having any dataset is better than none lol
I'd personally say a 3 year old. A 10 year old can understand right and wrong perfectly well if the parents actually make an effort to teach them.
That was painful
Oh hi Louis, you come here often?
Louis you’re great, your video on the Kai Cenat shenanigans changed my mind
Bro you need to grow a pair and call out Destiny for his opposition to Adblock and shilling for Reddit
@@ronswanson1410 He called out Linus for his goofy take on Adblock. Why not Gnomey?
Actually hard to watch haha.
OMG XQC really couldn’t fathom that Ethan owned his mistakes, apologized for them, and tried to fix them. It’s like he cannot even imagine doing something like that. Destiny was SO CALM and nice talking and explaining stuff to him. He is so ridiculous. He just came on after the debate and kept saying “no he didn’t say that” when Destiny would be like “well… didn’t Ethan say that he got permission to react to that?” Or “didn’t Ethan say that was a mistake?” When Ethan FOR SURE just said that… we all just saw it.
His narcissist brain implodes at the mere thought of someone else admitting they’re wrong. Lmao
This debate lord shit really screwed over xqc imo. He should have just been honest and just have a convo with Ethan about it. Then he would have come out looking better.
@@bananian he couldn’t. He couldn’t admit he was wrong at all. Even when getting advice from Destiny… and Destiny was so nice with him. He just kept making excuses and turning it around on Ethan.
X destroyed Ethan. Ethan doesn't give a shit about morality, he's grandstanding for clout. And X called him out for trying to take the high road. He's annoying, disingenuous, hypocritical and gets his takes based on whatever direction the clout winds are blowing. Have no idea why anyone watches him or cares about his opinions, and don't understand how people think he destroyed X here, he's not genuine, he just wants to be the hero, and came off looking like a rat calling him a "content thief" when him and his boy Hasan do the exact same thing.
And destinys evaluation is way off, he just agrees with Ethan's perspective so he thinks he won, and isn't looking at it objectively.
@@johnnyb5534 😂
Destiny had me thinking there might be some merit to his and Xqc's stance on this the other day, but this debate convinced me otherwise. Potentially greater profits (on either side of the situation) is not a moral justification to violate someone's property rights. Neither is popular demand for the format, I don't care if the exposure turns out to be a net benefit for the initial creator or not, the person reacting doesn't get to make that call.
It’s really cool to see someone say they changed opinions. Props to you for being honest and mature!
fun fact: the creator ethan brought up (who xqc called a paid actor) confirmed he tried to take X up on his offer of paying him for the react, and x has not, in fact, responded.
shocker
I guess you could call that creator an… unpaid actor
Oh, I know. Vince was in chat during the debate and commenting that he was going to take X up on his offer when it was made on stream.
@@qty1315 yeah and he was back in chat during h3’s member-only stream yesterday and confirmed x hasn’t responded.
its been 1 day..
The worm debate tactic was a good try but used a bit too late.
As an opener it's actually a killer tactic
Kudos to Destiny for not being another yes man in xQc's circle. He needs more friends to tell him how it really is and hopefully help him see his delusions.
He still treats him with kid gloves
@@bargaingoldandsilver that's because he's a mentor and not an opponent. You don't grow if everyone disagreeing with you is hardcore debating you 24/7 and you don't have someone put things into perspective for you
Destiny agrees with and is on xQc's side. He stated so in a previous video about a week ago.
@@shanegrayson7068 not entirely, he agress with him as a streamer but if was a youtuber not really. he still thinks the way xqc goes about this is wrong.
Destiny says he doesnt have a really strong feeling around the whole react stuff. But to be fair, if you are fully against react content, as a streamer, you would be out of a job. Cause playing games is also copyrighted material. And at that point, I will imagine he got some strong feelings then.
Destiny showed more patience here than xqc ever deserved. Xqc more or less started arguing with him and took in ZERO information. SOOOO frustrating.
I still think “you’re mad because I thought to steal and you didn’t” is my favorite argument of all time
@@stuartfleminghow did you manage to bring in George Floyd into this lmao
@@stuartflemingtruuuuuuuuu
@@stuartflemingYo, can you tell us which "group of people" you mean? 😂😂😂
No way you have the balls to say it, lol
@randommonacur2151 Choked to death on fentanyl crying for mommy, but at least he made some folks mad. Living rent free bro. Total W.
XQC thinking he made anyone mad in that debate besides himself is adorable. This whole drama has probably been the biggest role in the internet's favor of Ethan since... Hell I don't even know... 2019?? The best part is, it's not even because Ethan made an extraordinarily convincing, rock solid arguments, it's mostly just because X got extremely EMOTIONAL (heh heh ;) immediately, was bad faith pretty much the entire time, and has the self actualization of a 3 year old... ex. "You just solved your TeddyFresh problem by firing the employee, so if that's an acceptable solution then I can just fire and hire a new editor after every react video and no one can be mad right?!?!" There's no way he ACTUALLY thinks like that, but then again, this is the same guy who got a McLaren registered in his girlfriends name, and unreasonably expected to claim ownership of the car when they separated ROFL
I think XQC knows he did really poorly. He's apparently still spamming Ethan with angry DMs about how rich he is and how much he doesnt care
Literally just a lie but alr
He seems narcissistic. And french? hard pass
He stopped long before that, but he was definitely spamming him with angry DM's after the debate. Ethan shows the DM's on his Twitter
I thought the same originally, but after the conversation with destiny and xQc, I left believing that xQc thought he did really well...especially with the insults.
Gigachad
i watched this earlier, a 2.5 out of 10 is bad, this was horrible, XCQ accused people of being paid actors, refused to engage in any point, and provided a horribly misleading edited video cutting out ethans reactions to make the point he doesn't react enough and is as guilty as XQC, i say this as someone who hates ethan's commie ass, ethan won that debate from every angle
'XCQ'
you say you “hate ethan’s commie ass” but it’s funny how xqc is actually the one with the commie take here; with no defense other than “i want to do it” and “everyone does it”
@@man.itz.ashtonI don't remember op saying he liked xqc either
It was .05 and I am an Xqc viewer but
He used mizkif example - have you checked mizkif re upload?
Neo explains also lied abt 2 things - Xqc reactions was kind of trash in that video
To win a debate against Xqc is not a big deal - you can sit without uttering a word and he will start countering his own arguments after five minutes
@@He-who-wakes if he clarified his stance on ethan in that way it’s safe to assume he feels the opposite about LQC
What does XQC not understand that reuploading the same exact video takes views and revenue from the original creator? Or maybe he does know and doesnt care
Because it's made him millions of dollars and he thinks he's a genius because of it. If he admits anything then he has to admit he's not a genius.
it seems like his thought process doesn't go much further than "if good for me, then it is okay"
Because he doesn't have a time machine, so how could he know?
all yt videos views per day, overtime, will follow a similar curve (unless an irregular force is acted upon it, such as a streamer reacting to it). They daily views should decrease after a peak, however if the rate of decrease *decreases* (if the views decreased by 10% in the last 10 days, but decreased by 5% the next 5 days after a reaction) you could conclude that, while there is a net negative, the reaction actually positively affected the daily views. If views are synonymous with ad rev, the revenue would be positively affected as well.
@@lofvi Yeah, but, you do have to consider the UA-cam algorithm in that scenario. It recommends a video to different people at different times, which interferes with the curve. Most UA-cam videos showcase a natural curve, then the curve changes due to the algorithm recommending it to people, then it normalises, and the cycle repeats.
xQc reaction videos are usually uploaded very quickly, within a few hours, of him reacting to a video on stream. So, it's very possible that what we're actually seeing is xQc getting recommended the video due to the algorithm, which means that the algorithm is responsible for the slowing of the decline, and the fact that there isn't a bump in the graph after xQc's video was released shows that it didn't actually have a positive effect on the views. In fact, the steeper decline later in the graph shows xQc's video directly competing with the original video in the algorithm. So, with both videos competing in the algorithm, the video doesn't receive the same boost it did earlier in the algorithm before xQc's reaction video was released.
The other thing that I'm thinking Ethan should have pressed xQc on is the "My channel isn't growing," comment. That's actually an interesting point because interest in reaction content on UA-cam is actually declining. There's a demonstrable trend of people on UA-cam getting bored of Twitch streamers reacting to videos, and xQc not only can see that, he's clearly upset by it. That's why he's starting drama, appearing on a stream with Mauler, and seems so unhinged. He's losing viewers and trying these odd tactics to continue being relevant, and it's working for Ethan, Mauler, and SomeOrdinaryGamers, but not for him. His audience is clearly getting bored of him, and that must really upset a guy who signed a $100 million streaming deal and likely has a lot of pressure on him to earn that money back for the company.
The worm was a classic debate tactic.
"THAT'S A FALACY."
*belly hits floor*
"Don't you fucking dare..."
*does the worm*
I haven't seen that move since Stephen Douglas busted that one out on Abe
Destiny should incorporate that move in his future debates.
I remember Gore Vidal using it when debating Buckley. It's good to see the younger generation carrying on time honored debate tactics 👍
I shall now destroy your entire argument and end your career 🪱🪱🪱🪱🪱
'Calling out' Ethen for his strong hairline genes are a sure sign of fragility and desperation
@Booty_Hunter yeah, I dislike Ethan alot but in no way is he bald lol
Also it's a bit bold to tell Ethan's wife whom is pregnant that Ethan is a cuck.
XQC unintentionally made a really good argument for how hard it can be to react to a video because watching his debate performance was actually painful
It's not difficult at all to react to the content you're watching
I was laughing at the stupidity the entire time and pointing out the glaring flaws in my head to myself (would've been weird if I just talked to myself lmfao)
You tried..
@@oneautumnleaff2119yea but you gotta be entertaining too , bozo. Just reacting isn't enough.
I think doing the worm mid-debate was the most intelligent thing we saw or heard from XQC in this whole video
This entire thing should be taught in schools as a case study for how not to debate.
Bro returned to single cell mode. About as much IQ as well.
Honestly the worm was more compelling than any of his arguments, at least it brought some pizazz
He asks the debate master how he did...the debate master explains he did shit....then continues to disagree with the debate master on his performance lmao. Jesus Christ.
Delusion to the NEXT level
he's always right didn't you know?
Ethan is the debate master 😎
Remember that kind of flustered anger you sometimes felt as a teenager but eventually learned to control? It's actually almost kind of sad to see an adult man still so easily being controlled by that.
XQC needs to have himself a reality check
that check would bounce...
Why would he? He lives in his personal multimillionaire bubble, surround by people that cream and give him money for silently watching a video or letting it play while he does whatever. If I could choose I'd pick that over being self aware any time.
@@StevaBlokBe both? idk why you think this needs to be a binary lol
@fergusdenoon1255 Damn, thats a good one.
There are tens of thousands of morons on twitter today claiming he "cooked" Ethan and that everyone is just "malding". I really hate this stupid gay ass Earth.
Xqc is the classic example that money can't buy true happiness. Dude is filthy rich but clearly projects his insecurity.
Maybe he should not stream for 16 hours a day easy fix
Apparently it can't buy you intellect either
@@DerelictCountrymoney can literally buy it though
@@richardhands904i mean you need to recognize your lack of knowledge for you to realize this is a smart thing to do, which in itself is a sort of paradox lmao
@@richardhands904nah, my parents spent hella money on expensive tutoring for me outside my boarding school education, and it didn’t help one bit lol
I've had relationships with people who argue like this and the talking in circles is neverending. They genuinely do not want to come to a solution or understanding, they just want to keep fault, responsibility and accountability far far away from themselves.
I knew xQc was a loser but damn this goes beyond that
I’m sorry but I don’t even agree with destiny on this stuff. I mean, the fact that most of these streamers don’t even shout out the UA-cam creator after barely even commenting on the video is absurd to me. I can see this becoming a big problem legally down the road.
how? the title and usually the author is in the title, learn to read
@@GhostMan407 it’s just courtesy. Don’t be a dunce.
@@GhostMan407 also there’s been multiple times I’ve seen these people hide the title and creator’s name. So that’s not even true sometimes.
The problem isnt reavting on stream but putting a Clip of them reacting on UA-cam which gets more views than the original Video.
@@GhostMan407so if I reupload my face in the corner going “yo chat this is fire” of gods plan by drake then it’s fine?
It's wild that XQC thought he did well at anything in that conversation.
The problem is arrogance, xqc lost because he is arrogant. In the debate prep he was like “Ethan will be easy and not a challenge” just for this to happen. It could’ve been different had he taken in the arguments from the impartial panel from the prep instead of calling them clowns and saying “irrelevant point.” And destiny, rightfully so, is saying “uh huh” because xqc isn’t going to accept 2/10 as a rating
But it’s not arrogance alone. Maybe he has ADHD or something: He speaks too fast and too loud, his thoughts jump over the place, he literally worms around, and his emotions are completely unregulated.
@@jf1573 Bruh i really wish people would stop with the ADHD excuse. Sure it's a disorder that affects atention but it's not like he has a 5 sec memory or can't hold a cohesive train of thought, the way he loses his shit out of nowhere way too fast has nothing to do with that.
That's been everyone's downfall with him so far. He's not a stupid guy, and he knows that a debate needs preparation. People come on and get cornered lol.
I‘m not saying his behavior is okay. I‘m saying that he shows carelessness, reckless behavior, disregard for the well-being of others (and himself), temper tantrums, and YES a 5 sec. attention span … These are major ADHD symptoms in adults - look it up.
Plus, ADHD correlates with ASPD (antisocial behavior) which can lead to stealing, gambling and endangering others.
"You do it to"
Ethan: forgets to scan something in self checkout.
xQc: walking out with 70" TV on back.
See we the same!!
I had no idea how unhinged xQc was
Pretty impressive that xqc still thinks he’s right even after someone like destiny calmly told him how he’s absolutely wrong
Lol
It’s a thing people do. When their whole framework of life is built on an axiom, they won’t even consider challenging it. His brain literally wouldn’t comprehend any of the arguments because he doesn’t want to. He wants to muddy the waters and swim away like a freaky little squid
The fact that xQc doesn't understand the difference between making a mistake and then ensuring the mistake never happens again and making a mistake and then continuing to knowingly make that mistake is a worrying indictment on his intelligence and/or character.
incredibly stupid at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
Not really it just looks like that optically because the audience doesn't keep in mind that X doesn't consider that a mistake at all.
X thinks no copyright is better for everyone. So he never made mistakes
what mistakes he made? he makes tons of money off of reaction videos. That's a W not a mistake. Anybody with a brain would keep doing it as long as possible. It's like printing money
@@sten260at the expense of the people you’re stealing from. Anyone who is a real man, has character and stands on their on two would at a bare minimum make more transformative reaction content. The fact that the only thing you considered here is money and not how it effects smaller creators says a lot about your character.
@@sten260the mistake was doing react content instead of using that brain to think up something original
“He makes me look good doing that. He was tweaking the fuck out” man is genuinely delusional 😂😂😂😂
meanwhile the tweaking out is literal Tourette's disease
Xqc is a perfect example of you don't need to be smart to be rich or famous
He's smart in other ways, guy plays the most situational role in OW and made it to the pro levels.
He's intelligent in certain areas. I doubt Nicola Tesla was a good debater else he wouldn't have ended up ostracized and alone.
I know, idk how H3H3 made it.
Nice cope, i bet you are not even 1/1000 as rich as him, a "smart" wagie.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743XDD 🤡
Lately there have been too many examples tbh
Xqc walking out of that debate thinking he performed well is actually insane
He was on that weapons grade copium
being focused on trying to get ethan mad was the weirdest goal lol
It's cope
Well if you’re in a debate, and you’re able to get the other person to get all emotional and act like a baby, they effectively lose a lot of credibility, if not all of it. It makes you look more mature and level headed, and thus more reasonable.
Exhibit A: xQc in this exact debate. He got emotional, went for personal attacks, and went off on incoherent ramblings. Now everyone thinks he looks stupid and childish
There are 3 kids in daycare:
Kid A is stacking up blocks
Kid B is running around, he trips and knocks over Kid A’s blocks, Kid B promptly apologizes and helps Kid A’s blocks and stops running around so it doesn’t happen again.
Kid C walks over and Kicks the blocks over, after Kid A starts crying he helps him pick it up. then he does it again, and then again.
Kid B tells Kid C to stop what he’s doing. Kid C responds that Kid B is a hypocrite because he knocked over the blocks too.
XQC is Kid C
your iq is subzero:
thats it
This was very frustrating. xQc argued in bad faith. I really wish he didn’t nitpick the irrelevant details. He focused so heavily on proving the little things wrong that the big argument was never addressed. Also, he’s very scattered in his arguments and it undermines the point he’s trying to make. If he had good rebuttals to Ethan’s arguments he failed to deliver on them. He’s also too emotional at the start, which didn’t help his cause.
Felix got majorly cooked. He didn't have a leg to stand on. Love him or hate him, Ethan has his shit together and does his best in a debate when he's calm and well-prepared. He's a king of the 'slow-cook' He reduced Felix to a writhing wreck in the end LOL.
God what an insufferable person. I genuinely think there is nothing XQC could ever admit to getting wrong, he obviously knows how badly he lost the debate but his ego is so big he just refuses to ever admit it and shifts to random nonsensical arguments. The fact he turns to “I’m making money and hes malding” just speaks for itself.
When "Well, I'm richer" is someone's way to win any argument.
I disagree on "he knows how badly he lost". There are people like this who genuinely believe everything they say. He still couldn't grasp the difference between firing an employee for making a mistake, versus intentionally hiring an employee for the sole purpose of firing them for making a mistake.
I've watched him for years and it always ends with him saying something along the lines of "this chat is so stupid dude" and changing topics. He never has real pushback on his opinions and you can see why
@@varietypaul damn yeah maybe I’m too charitable in that regard it’s just insane to me that’s he’s that un-self aware
@@kieranholmes8086 xQc and his editors clipped the end of the debate and put in the thumbnail, a speech bubble of Ethan saying "I'm gonna leave because I can't beat him".
@@Edax_Royeaux😊😅😅
"When it comes to morality I win by a land slide and by character I uhh um on a general level" how fucking delusional. I find ethan insufferable as much as the next guy but I trust him more on content creation rights and morality more than any streamer. Dude has fought tooth and nail to make DMCA more fair and reasonable than most anyone else. XQC is just a big child getting told "wow what you're doing is kinda a A-hole move" and then throwing a hissy fit saying he's a good person.
The thing is Ethan has been on the platform for a decade and cares about it being sustainable for people going forward. (Also Ethan just cares about stuff in general, he’s a dad he’s trying to make a good world for them)
xQc only cares about himself and buying flashy things to prop up his fragile ego.
@@LizStaples Yeah cause Ethan hasn't done anything immoral in his streams.
He's definitely never called for the bombing of a large group of innocent people...
Oh yeah, the NRA.
Betcha thought I'd say Palestinians XD
Destiny preview rating XQC's performance a 2.5/10.
Me: it couldn't have been that bad.
(48 minutes in)
Me: where did he get the 2.5 points from?
The worm. It was a solid argument.
Xqc is a 16 year old mind trapped in a 28 year old's body.
Alright. That’s enough xqc for the rest of my life.
Ethan: "we have you on camera admitting you do transformative content"
X: "yeah but you do it too and way worse than me
Ethan: "show me proof cause idk what you're talking about"
X: "i'm richer than you"
Let's coin a term for this: _Internalized Dishonesty_
xQc is wholly unable to see how bad faith his arguments are. Still maintains he won with convincing points in the chat after. Can't repeat the criticism honestly.
Dude... That's such a good term! So gonna use it. Let the records show it was used here first by this person above me
Isn't there already a word for it, deluded?
I think projection fits better. He is dishonest and just assumes everyone else is as well. That's why he so often defaults to "Well I'm rich so you're jealous", that's how he feels when others are successful
Also describes Trump.
It'd be different from Trump in that Trump flat out lies, and does it out of vanity. And it's different from Trump supporters in that they construct a delusional net of conspiracies to fit their world view.
But xQc is - in principle - actually interested in having a debate about the facts. However he's then unable to weigh his own arguments honestly against the opponent's. He thinks he's making convincing points while Ethan would just try to trick and silence him.
The only reason Destiny is in the wrong side of this discussion is because of a conflict of interests. He’s a streamer that does a lot of react content. Admittedly, he puts A LOT more effort into his reactions and transforms the content to a much higher degree that xqc ever has but the point still stands, he’s not unbiased. I’d be interesting to watch him play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite of what he beliefs in a good faith manner, I know he’s capable.
exactly. Destiny actually does transformative shit because of the debate part. If he links vids its like 1 min of vid and 20 min of commentary. Hes just too self interested to admit that theres react content thats dogshit and just has the streamers face next to the actual video. IE JCS vids
xQc is a prime example of why we should not be making mentally ill people rich and famous.
This guy was given a platform to discuss a serious topic and acted like a child the entire time.
From calling someone whose videos he has stolen a paid actor to crawling on the floor like a worm in the middle of everything.
I seriously think he is off of whatever meds he's supposed to be on...
You're a prime example of someone who really had no brain.
Might be drugs in the interview he said he doesn't sleep.
@@Ravenbones😂😂😂
@@drod2k1its definitely amphetamines😅
@@crystalsinghmarketing9827
@drod2k1
I agree with both of you 100% it's the fast talking and sporadic talking points.
Admittedly, I have only seen a few of Felix's videos, but I have never seen him like this.
Destiny is an angel. I wouldn’t be able to take XQC seriously. Genuinely impressed by how patient he was.
well that and he has a massive following, its makes it easier to 'tolerate' someone if you're getting a nice bump from it too
Its literally due to his clout, he wouldnt do this for anyone else
Few content creators dare to call out XQC because he has a massive following. They’d all rather suck up to him. Ethan has never really cared about that.
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe the fact that xqc is debating someone destiny hates is a big bonus
Even XQC fans start leaving the steam.
Im gonna say it now. Destiny wouldn't bother with XQC if he wasn't one of the biggest streamers in the food chain.
True, this was hilarious content for destiny
just fyi xqc and destiny have been like kind of friend-associates for years now, way before xqc was as big as he is now.
XQC trying to use excuses for how he acted by pointing to how Ethan upset him (or railroaded him) is telling he isn't currently cut out for debates.
"I robbed a bank but I know that you didn't tip your Uber driver once so whose the real criminal?"
I believe alot of streamers suffer from what XQC's going through. Certain things have been normalized for so long and went unchallenged for multiple reasons but being held accountable now comes as a surprise or comes across as a storm in a teacup because "Why now? I never had issues doing this before"
While there is some validity in this, it does not excuse the behavior and asking anyone in a bubble to mature rapidly is a hard ask. But being such public figures that engage in things that cause harm to people requires a higher bar of conduct to be set. I'm not saying it's fair in principle, but that falls short when it harms people that are in less successful positions that are protected by copyright law.
I think xqc is just a moron and doesn’t really care about past he just knows that’s what the algorithm favors atm and he tries to kill it like other people while thinking nothing about crediting the original creators or putting effort to make the content transformative enough.
1:53:02 "You just called him a balding mauling cuck, I don't think you actually illustrated this point" - Destiny
"Which is still a lotta more FACTS!" -xQc
This despite Ethan bring his wife into the debate because xQc kept bringing her into it and Ethan has a full head of hair for everyone to see.
XQC is scared of being a bad person, so he has to always point to other people and claim they are being the same or hypocrites. But his ego that otherwise helps him withstand streaming 15 hours a day in front of 50k+ people in not allowing him to admit his mistake and make a change.
He’s not scared of being a bad person. He does not give a single fuck. He’s just deflecting. Over the last week he has refused to listen to anyone’s advice or accept any view other than his own. Selfish P.O.S.
Oh my god, watching you try to calmly give xqc some guidance one what he’s going to bring up and sending him off to battle was like a parent hyping his 13 year old up before sending him into a lion enclosure at the zoo
This entire argument sounds like a dad trying to explain to his son why stealing from the other kids is wrong. Then the son screaming and throwing a temper tantrum at dad. In general I don't often agree with Ethan, but this was honestly pathetic from xqc.
xqc got obliterated holy shit
Every time XQC says he gets it, be reassured that he does not, in fact, get it.
It sucks that xqc can’t just chill and make points, even when he has them, he absolutely fumbles the ball by shouting nonsense, getting mad and entirely losing the vibe of the conversation thinking his opponent is feeling the way he actually is
He is very bad at English, maybe he can use that as a tactic.
@@SporkyMcFly*excuse
Xqc has no good points though. Destiny's chat was trying to get him to go in the whole video to save Xqc.
Which is honestly disingenuous. IV watched Xqc from the beginning to now. Never liked his content, he's an edgy dbag who can't put together a sentence. His whole career is just being an angry gamer. It's the same shit with Asmon. Atleast Asmon grew his brand and has good insight on certain topics even if I don't agree with it.
Keep in mind that H3 won a case about fair use. I don't get why Xqc even went in to that debate with that level of confidence. Its like he went right for the Final Boss when he should have at least debated SomeOrdinaryGamers about this first.
Rofl I just got to the point where destiny does jump in to save XQC and he still fails. Why the fuck is he trying to save him? Call your friend out for being shitty. I do it all the time and my friends do it to me.
XQC will not think it's a problem, UNTIL. Some no name streamer just starts using his content, and making far more off of it than he does. Then he'll be a champion of the law. I have been watching this kind of crap unfold with this shitlords for over a decade. He's not anything new, it's just his turn.
during the pre debate prep he already said that someone with 20 viewers cant do what he does since they dont have the community to make it transformative or you cant make xqc merchandise. ip protections for me and not for thee lmao
He said before that anyone that contacts him for money that he made from he reaction to a video he will pay them.
@@-godsspeed-9159apparently the guy didnt get a reply to his payment request that Ethan brought up.
Its pretty impressive how XQC's debating skills just include being loud, rambling, and filled with personal attacks. A one way ticket of just looking like an emotional child who cant have a serious conversation without taking it personal. Ive watched him here and there over the last few years and it seems like he is getting more and more miserable day by day.
If you listen to the post-debate conversation with Destiny, especially starting at 1:31:00 he's so lost in his own point of view. But then later being able to express what he wanted to express during the debate, which would have made his case much better, but unable to see that he *did not bring it up* in the debate itself. Like your opponent should be so charitable as to be able to read what's in your mind. A child indeed.
“It’s easy to say I regret this, lul” -XQC, a man who can’t admit fault
Dude got mad cause he wanted to get into a clip war with Ethan, but Ethan just apologized and ruined XQC’s whole angle.
XQC doesn’t even have a stance to defend, it’s scary that even in a room talking to himself he’d manage to lose the argument.
His “Ethan Malding” take is pure projection. XQC got embarrassed by h3h3 massive L for zoomers
Edit: tldr XQC gets mad when expected to think critically
He doesn't have any principled position on this, he's just trying desperately to figure out a way to justify his incredibly well-paid position.
I’m sure it will be worth the 2 hours of my life I spend watching this.
If you listen to it at the gym.
Most twitch drama is brain rot and useless information to have in your life. Anything about xqc is pretty invaluable in day to day life.
@@alex96superI am actually at the gym listening to this, is it really worth watching or can you quickly summarize it?
@@williamknows3908i gotchu listen at 1.5 speed
@@williamknows3908 summary- xqc is big mad and doesn't really make an argument. Good entertainment. Not a substantive conversation
To all the people in chat calling it unfair that it was 2 v 1 at some point: well xqc shouldn’t have brought up irrelevant stuff about teddy fresh, which is HILA‘s business and not etha‘s, if he didn‘t want answers from the relevant person.
It wasn't just that, even xQc was mad that that his attacks on his wife were responded to by the wife.
I mean it’s relevant to the conversation. There’s a reason Ethan said we fired them and not my wife fired them. He’s obviously integral to her business and has a lot of say. He funds her projects and is directly involved in their company. He’s just as culpable in running their sweat shop as she is.
@@Jm-dx9tl At the same time, xQc kept saying Ethan was the thief, when it was an employee they fired.
@@Jm-dx9tlEthan said 'we' because he supported his wife and her decisions, she says we when talking about the H3 podcast. They also mean the team of people around them who run the show and make decisions. Ethan is very full time with the podcast. XQC was just looking for an attack line that might anger Ethan, which is why he didn't care about their response or ask further questions.
Hila is right to be offended by somebody suggesting her company is her husband's responsibility.
I am not sure if xQc was unaware of how poorly his showing was against Ethan or just hungry for another L. However, I will say he is brave. After not doing well in a debate against Ethan, xQc then proceeds to debate Destiny. That's like struggling in a fight with an amateur boxer and losing then challenging the champion.
😂😂
Lack of self-awareness?
Lmao 😂
Dude went from Mike who boxes on the weekends to Mike Tyson
I wouldn't call this conversation a debate, it's more like Destiny patting a kid on the head and going "so when you stepped on the rake and the rake then hit you in the face, do you think this was maybe a mistake?"
The most maddening shit about all of this is the confidence XQC has in either believing or pretending to believe that the reacting fair use issue is so black and white. Anyone applying any type of good faith and thought to it can understand the complexity of it and why each side has their views.
Years of video games communities + toxicity + massive success on twitch = brain rot and ego
Doesn't he realise how scummy he looks? I don't get why people do the 'Well you do it too, so it's fine' Defence. Like the whole start was just him saying that everyone else is also a piece of shit so it's fine if he does it, it's the meta lol He has enough money to stop doing it forever and still does it.
Lmao he just admitted that he wasn’t even listening to what Ethan was saying and was just waiting for him to finish talking so he could open his mouth. This makes so much sense lol. That’s why he kept repeating the same thing over and over again. He’s so focused on becoming a debate lord that he can’t even give a proper response and he just says the next bullet point on his list. It’s like that South Park episode where Hillary Clinton’s team just tells her to call Garrison a liar and a thief regardless of what he says.
Honestly so sick of people doing the worm to avoid debating on the merits.
strongest debate tactic
Same.. but that's X for you. Always taking the path of least resistance for that easy dub. He knew that Ethan couldn't do the worm back at him, so it was a bit of a low blow.
Ethan made him create his first original content ever!
@@justfitz08idk why but this reminds me of that episode of Rick and morty when Jerry turned into a bug to avoid a fight with his wife.
@@justifano7046 holyshit, now I cant unsee it
XQC really needs to stop challenging people to debates if this is how he’s going to behave every time
Nah, he should go into debates more. Taking major Ls is the only value he has provided since being cut from Overwatch.
Listening to this kid’s perspective of his performance vs Ethan’s is stunning to me. It’s quite literally the opposite. He’s delusional and narcissistic.
I stayed up late for this and it was 100% worth it.
Agreed
It becomes clear very quickly that xQc is entirely overwhelmed by the idea that this can be wrong or right for more than 1 reason
Whenever aditional criteria are mentioned he treats it as if "the" reason was changed
In his mind the only reason for attacking him is out of pure malice, so he experiences multiple arguments as the other person making up reasons to attack him
I hate labeling someone, or diagnosing them because it’s a serious thing and it’s nothing to play around with because if you have lived with someone or even loved someone that shows cluster B traits that are this glaringly obvious. After about 5 minutes I was holding my breath because I’ve lived this but in a different context and I’m glad Ethan got off the stream when he did because XQC wasn’t going to take anything Ethan had to say other then it being an all out attack. Text book Narcissist, the what about ism was off the charts, it was like two different conversations, the twisting of words, to try and drive his own narrative, the gaslighting, living in his own reality when he said Ethan didn’t call out Hassan for the same thing. I could go on all night because this behavior and treatment it so familiar to me. XQC is missing one of the most valuable things that “normal” people take for granted, truly being able to step outside oneself and see it from someone else’s view. Without this there is no empathy. Its also a little funny how people that are narcissistic have an outwardly inflated sense or belief in there own abilities even though deep inside they are broken and the most insecure people among us. XQC doesn’t understand that doing something all day every day (and also continuing to “steal” content) and someone doing something a hand full of times and a while back is not the same thing and either way its wrong. Its wrong when Ethan did it and definitely wrong when XQC basically makes his living off of it. At least Ethan acknowledged its wrong, but XQC will never say its wrong and actually believe what he’s saying. Its a dead giveaway that when Ethan had him cornered XQC started the personal attacks and then started to loose it. I bet being either XQC’s friend or being in a relationship with that dude is exhausting in the worst ways possible. I hope Destiny can help him, but I can tell he’s walking on eggshells because he realizes XQC’s personality traits and if he even remotely takes Ethan’s side then XQC will feel betrayed. Destiny’s definitely had practice dealing with people with Cluster B traits.
Yep, well said... I wonder how much of a noxious, neurotic, nonsensical, narcissistic numbskull Felix was prior to his massive success live streaming? 🤔 Most likely there was a 🚩or two, I'd have a hard time believing he was some intelligent, well spoken, empathetic, easy going French Canadian dude that just couldn't handle getting Twitch Rich and was thoroughly corrupted into this barely comprehendible arrogant mess XQC. He is going through an rather nasty "parting of ways" with his ex-wife/ common law GF who seems to be biting her tongue until what's almost certain to be (Canada) an absurd settlement... probs the smart move 🤐⏳🤬💰
Absolutely. You don't have to be a professional or be diagnosing someone to see annoying and familiar behaviors
xQc thinks his gotchas are way bigger than they are. They aren’t. xQc’s summary of what he thinks Ethan’s intentions, arguments, and that Ethan is bad faith is completely unwarranted.
I was shocked at how biased Destiny’s chat was in X’s favor. This was a complete steamroll by H3
I know Ethan has made many mistakes. But he has genuinely done a good job at bettering himself and improved. Also his debate record is surprisingly impressive. The hate towards him lately is almost fully unwarranted imo
I'm looking at the chat right now, and it just seems to me that Destiny's chat is facepalming and cringing so hard on X's behalf. Is that considered bias?
It's more of a lovable fool thing. It's like candy to them, cuz it's not a heavy topic and there's a one sided pummeling.
@@ZenMuff1n this topic is probably more likely to effect them than anything else Destiny discusses. Who gives a fuck about Tate or Ukraine in terms of how it effects their daily lives. World Wide topics but the most you see is some goober defending Russian or redpiller acting butthurt on some podcast. If this react content thing gets big enough, it will affect how twitch streamers and UA-camrs are able to function. It'll affect the content people spend many hours engaging in.
I’m reading it as Hila came on to defend her business and people were legit saying it was a 2v1 debate as if Ethan wasn’t just passing on xqcs decomposing corpse for the last 45 minutes lmfao
Could UA-cam implement a system similar to the one for song covers? Like, for react videos, they could share 20% of the revenue with the original creator. simple and Win-win? you can react to anything you want, creators will WANT you to.
How about 100% to the original creator, because it's literally their content and no one else has a right to profit off of it.
The day that YT implements that is the day that NO-ONE will make a reaction again. Also, it would need to be really good since people will start making reupload channels and start abusing the system to make money off other's people content.
@@tiredidealist Okay, then why are you here? Why are you on the channel of a guy who mainly just reacts to and talks about stuff.
Would there be a Destiny video on this if the original video didn't exist? No.
So by your standards Destiny should make no money here, didn't do any notable amount of work because at the core there will always be another video.
It would just become another avenue for copyright abusers. The same way in 2022 it was meta to buy defunct music accounts, upload a copyright-free song with a popular song or sound spliced in, and mass claim videos across the site. Even to this day some people get away with posting full playthroughs of games and claiming other channels' videos because they share cinematics. In fact, right now, from my dashboard, I can claim over 100 other people's playthroughs for other games and at least a dozen reviews. To say this system is dysfunctional is putting it mildly.
The problem is I think that content still has to transform in some way. Like you shouldn’t be allowed to just repost someone’s video with your face in the corner and they only get 20%. You still have to transform it
I remember people telling me XQC is actually really smart but it's just an act for content. How many L's does he have to take before they admit he is as dumb as a bag of rocks. Good for him for doing his streaming and getting his bag but I wouldn't trust him to put together an Ikea desk for me.
It really betrays the hollowness of xQc that he keeps bringing up money
xQc goes on and on about stats and how much he has. You literally can't make a statement like, "Ethan if you're going to bring up stats you're going to get absolutely clapped," and then fail to bring forward compelling evidence. The automatic assumption of everyone who heard that interaction is that xQc has no stats to back him up and is just waiting for everyone else to prove a negative, when if X had stats that prove his reactions are beneficial for people, all he'd need to do to win the debate was show those stats and force Ethan to look at them. But he didn't, because he doesn't have any statistics. The only piece of evidence he had was one Ethan provided that he tries to spin in his favor, because the heavily edited clips you provided weren't compelling whatsoever once it was discovered that X's editor cut out all the commentary Ethan was doing. And the examples where Ethan wasn't being transformative he had explicit permission. That's why Ethan refused to see any more of those videos cause he knew they were all idiotic and off point because X doesn't understand a single thing about fair use and how it operates. Instead of telling Ethan how wrong his stats are, provide your own that proves your argument instead of relying on calling a guy who has a better hair line than himself, bald. xQc thinking he did well in the debate is the height of delusion.
Dont like Ethan and xqc, but ethan did way better in the video.
Also hate seeing Destiny being on the wrong side of this react argument.
I feel Destiny is playing nice with a fellow Kick streamer because there aren't many of them. He's maybe just in good faith but I can see why it might seem in bad faith instead.
I know Destiny has a somewhat vested interest in being pro-react, but I also think it's just his contrarian instinct and his tendency to totally dig his heels in when the debate is still ongoing. Sometimes he can change his mind but it's only after all this stuff has died down, and tbh he's not really even taking in the main points of why it's bad so I'm not convinced he would even change is mind then
@@krombopulos_michael What do you think Destiny has gotten wrong?
X getting destroyed just made my day, the fact that it was Ethan it’s just 10x better. 😂
I don't know how xqc can't realize that saying "I don't care about fair use, and yes I know I make the original content have fewer views" is like.... a full-stop loss. Every single thing he said was whataboutisms and direct attacks
When someone is being as defensive and loose with their words as X is being it automatically implies that they feel wrong/guilty.
xqc's whole thing was trying to make Eithen out be a hyprocrte, which wether it's true or not doesn't invalidate his argument. It's a logical falicy and it's insane.
Just getting a glimpse at old Ethan was really rewarding. It's interesting to watch this debate as someone who generally dislikes both Ethan and xQc because it is so obvious that Ethan destroyed him from the first minute, but there are so many comments and reddit posts defending xQc.
Also omegalul that destiny got up and left the room just like Hasan
He's just desperately seeking validation from Destiny that he did well/won
Destiny was generous with that 2.5/10.