Love Life Inc is more then willing to Provide your Citizen's Happiness and Genetic Perfection. Our price is reasonable as well... You just make our Healthcare Mandatory! There is nothing to worry about here, we just want to make you into our Friends. (PS: Making your species -30% fertile during war or crisis is a feature, not a bug!) (And: If everyone is equally weak, does it really count as being weak?)
Our society believes 350% in Tax Evasion and 575% in Piracy. Not looting and pillaging 'pirates', hint hint. We're fine, everything fine, totally fine.
I turned the Free People of the Fall into a Megacorp. It was really fun trying to beat Minamar at their own game. Paradox even included special text if your Broken Shackles empire starts as a Megacorp.
@@nicholasnelson8641 "Free* at last! ... *Legal Notice: The use of the word 'free' is non-binding and does not oblige the Corporation to provide any discount or volunteer any action that could affect the profit margins of Free Peoples of the Fall shareholders. If you have any questions regarding this or other terms, or should you wish to opt out of continued existence on Freedom's Landing, please contact our legal or security professionals in the Administrative Offices on Freedom's Landing for immediate resolution.'
Another great lore video to enjoy as I work from home. Payback is one of my favorite origins to play. For Broken Shackels I did a custom empire modeled on the Roc from Payback origin. Sort of full circle
Broken Shackles is my favorite Narrative Origin. I just love the idea of a bunch of different species on a slave ship joining forces to rebel and crash landing on an unknown world together. At first, they must cooperate to survive, then they must cooperate with the idea of returning home, and then they have to cooperate under the threat of a return to slavery under MSI. And after many years of doing just this, and if you pick the path of uplifting other primitive empires along the way to create a truly egalitarian and diverse species empire, you essentially become the opposite of what MSI was while also doing the same thing. I also just really love the idea that at the beginning there was no reason after the initial rebellion for the species from different background and cultures to stick together. But after being forced by circumstance to work together for so long and so many generations, the species have just accepted this diverse lifestyle standards and it becomes apart of a greater unification of alien cultures that live together in peace and harmony.
I did a galaxy with the bird peeps with this origin. I filled my galaxy with a mix of federation builders, autocrats, and a single devouring swarm (everyone was on advanced start). RN-Geezus was my friend. I spawned next to the Blorg and UNE and they were my buds. When we finally encountered MSI, I was able to get my buddies to attack them. We (they - I just sat back and rubbed my hands like a cartoon villian) kicked some ass, however, they sued for peace (Edit: I remember now, it was an ideology change, I felt ripped off by attempts to have more powerful nations do my bidding). I was trying to see if I could start another war, only for a necrophage devouring swarm to kill them off (MSI was between us and them). Fun times! I should probably re-load that save and see if our Federation can take on the swarm. I have an egalitarian war orc race that was in our federation and I like to think that we (they) could take them on.
Calling them "the most evil megacorp" might only be true in so far as they are kinda the only megacorp really present in the lore. All things considered, they are pretty chill. "Yo. Primatives. We got fancy cool stuff. You can go FTL and start colonizing space! It will cost you though, based on predicted value the technology will provide for your civilization, scaling up with time so you don't have to shoulder it immediately." "No thanks gods from another world." "Alright, have a good day." They aren't even particularly expansionist nor do they devote all too much to "reclaiming lost property." After all, even as a "challenge origin", it's still supposed to be possible to win... and eventually prove the value of giving the uplifting by kicking their teeth in.
Honestly its pretty easy to win. I just did a payback run where I spawned right next to MSI and after allying with a neighbor and beating them in a defensive war, I followed up and wiped them out by the early 2300s. The main challenge is just your early economy and research from less pops; MSI are pushovers once you get a decent fleet.
I mean, they still give you an offer that you can’t refuse, with a dette you can’t afford without telling you how much it will cost you or what you could afford with those technologies.
@ That's actually not a provable statement, because if you chose to not take the deal... it wouldn't be an origin for your civ. And given that in the vast majority of origins, you don't deal with MSI... It's a stretch to say that you refused such a deal, but just like all other minor incidents in the civ's past (be it world wars or what have you), it's just not noted in canon.
Love Life Inc would like Subjugation. We only request that you allow us to build our aid stations on all your worlds. We want our new friends to be healthy and happy!
I make alot of custom empires vanilla. I made Dantoonie a broken shakle start along with a few other star wars empires as payback. Using MSI is a good way of making a makeshift emperor if your trying to go for that achievement (as long as they don't shift ethics.)
Best prodeedures when encountering primitives: step 1: move your fleet above their world step 2: execute an armageddon bombardment step 3: continue until all life on the planet is extinguished step 4: terraform the planet back into a habitable state step 5: colonize it with your own people Pro Tip: A collosus with a neutron sweeper weapon is always preferable if you have one
I prefer the ones that break from 'Reality' and thus are motivated by something other then profits for a few. Example: A nation that looks after all people by ensuring they are all Equal Shareholders in the Company. Or one that is fixated on the stated goals of the company, it was made for a reason after all. Or one that.... you know, it really is hard thinking up a third 'good company' type...! My megacorp is different for this reason: Ark Genesis and Uplifting is their whole thing... We exist to MAKE friends. We are so much nicer about it, we also make our friends into Shareholders! Everyone is looked after for we *understand how Great Corporations are meant to be...*
I designed a Megacorp based on what AnCaps sincerely and unironically believe their ideas would result in - Fanatic Pacifist, as war destroys wealth and thus regardless of short-term profit is a long-term loss, and Egalitarian, as people and businesses should be permitted to rise or fall on their own merits without state interference. Free Traders and Private Prospectors as initial civics to double down on the idea of entrepreneurship as a defining value. It was an experience playing as a megacorporation that was sometimes the single loudest voice for peace and understanding lol. Sometimes I'd "invest" alloys or minerals into a threatened trade partner or a smaller empire that could benefit from a kick-start to its development.
@@sirdrork8616 Healthcare is mandatory, because dying customers are bad for business. Mine just evolved in a habitat lab, over some world that was destroyed before they came to be. Their view of Capitalism is more akin to idealistic then not, almost like they are incapable of understanding some of the more complex concepts such as greed. Money is not acquired for it's own sake, it is just the means to transfer resources between individuals. The company exists as the most effective way to achieve the goals of the company... which is to make us friends... Literally. Still, imagine an economical system that considers excess prices to be bad for business!
Perhaps a bit daft on my end, but.. Is this a reupload? I have distinct memories of listening to this one somewhere last year when I first found you. Also hi! First time commenter! Love what you do, especially as I do not play enough Stellaris to even find half of these events.
The shackles/payback bits are more or less the same as the original ones I did back when first contact launched yes :) happy to hear you're enjoying them!! And remember them well enough to recognise the similarities!!
A did a human nation called the "Confederate Republics of Earth," a rebel confederation of Earth's nations that fought against the Minimar Specialized Industries.
In a playthrough I intended to completely kill them as the payback origin but no matter what I did I could just not out scale them, by the time I finally could challenge MSI it was to close to the end game for a prolonged war
@TheRedKing I'm not sure _I_ take my word for it -- I'm definitely a layman regarding economics. That said, MSI's scheme is basically "Help a society develop technologically and economically via high-interest loans, then demand unjust concessions when they invariably can't pay the interest". That matches most serious criticism I've heard of the IMF.
Yes and no, although both end up all powerful and striving for same goals at the end of the day. Both lock in disadvantaged states/people with heavy debt. Many similarities, just different formats.
I agree, thier portraits are unique and it would be a great mega-corp role-play. Also I've been saying that we should be able to play as a Nomad fleet as well, really wish we could interact with the Nomads more in the beginning. I think it's stupid that it's just a random contact and a small chance to buy ships from them.
@@RobT192 Nomad Fleet would be an interesting option, but the game isn't really made for that. Think of it like this: Having no planets in the game triggers said game to do what? Lot of recoding, but could be possible to add a 'moving world' to the game?
Sooo, thank you, my next challenge is Payback using LLI Lets see if a softer version of their business model can replace them as superior! My first test, we found some pre-FTL: Time to make some new friends! PS: Already enjoying this dread, do I use this alloys for a colony or for a fleet....
So I had to restart, realizing going the military route was not to the Spirit of the playthrough or the Species in question. This has now been a lot more interesting, trying to find a way to Pay Back the Debt instead of getting Pay Back. While I haven't gotten that far yet, they haven't raised the rates, I realized something... you likely have to pay it all back at once. So I am going the crisis path just to get storage for all the credits I will need.
So that is interesting: They don't seem to up the payment amount, meaning you can easily end up ignoring the whole disability by mid-game. It is still fun to remove their business model from existence!
Still progressing to my end goal, but while I do so I found out something: It is very fun to have MSI as a Diplomatic Enemy.... Something about getting the whole universe to turn their back on MSI is wonderful to feel. Each time you take out one of MSI's business practices, make it harder for them to exploit others, it feels like a big step made towards the ultimate of goals. I am still wondering how great it will be when I successfully have the council denounce them. If only it didn't take forever to get things through the Senate.... Think I will call this successful if: A) The game does allow me to pay back the whole amount B) I get MSI declaimed as a crisis
Well that was frustrating. Everything was going well, slowly getting resolutions in line and waiting for favours then. Federation War, right on my border.... With my side deciding not to partake and all of their sides packing multiple 150K fleets. I held back as long as I could but was crippled... and then the crisis hit. At least I got to watch them being smacked around first, if only our universe had my 600K of ships still!
Best villan is villan that have good point. In one heand they bad, not showing full price of uplifting On other heand look at stellaris standard galaxsy more than half of pre ftl die or end up slaves in others empire... Uplifting and becoming vassal in erly space history of that galaxsy another stage is not that bad.
This Message is from your local Megacorp: Don't trust these filthy Traders, you should work with us(we are totally not exploiting you)
Love Life Inc is more then willing to Provide your Citizen's Happiness and Genetic Perfection.
Our price is reasonable as well... You just make our Healthcare Mandatory!
There is nothing to worry about here, we just want to make you into our Friends.
(PS: Making your species -30% fertile during war or crisis is a feature, not a bug!)
(And: If everyone is equally weak, does it really count as being weak?)
Our society believes 350% in Tax Evasion and 575% in Piracy. Not looting and pillaging 'pirates', hint hint.
We're fine, everything fine, totally fine.
@Diarmuhnd *sees the logo* time to go back to militarized eco
I turned the Free People of the Fall into a Megacorp. It was really fun trying to beat Minamar at their own game. Paradox even included special text if your Broken Shackles empire starts as a Megacorp.
Now that is ironic. What exactly does this special text say?
@@nicholasnelson8641 "Free* at last! ... *Legal Notice: The use of the word 'free' is non-binding and does not oblige the Corporation to provide any discount or volunteer any action that could affect the profit margins of Free Peoples of the Fall shareholders. If you have any questions regarding this or other terms, or should you wish to opt out of continued existence on Freedom's Landing, please contact our legal or security professionals in the Administrative Offices on Freedom's Landing for immediate resolution.'
Workers' co-ops be like.
I do find it a personal shame there is no full shipset based on MSI as I loved the style of marble and gold.
Agree, but given how they're only in the same if you force spawn a shackles or payback empire feels like you'd never see them
Another great lore video to enjoy as I work from home. Payback is one of my favorite origins to play. For Broken Shackels I did a custom empire modeled on the Roc from Payback origin. Sort of full circle
I immediately knew what it was about. Cheers, I'm sure it'll be great
Thanks!! Hope you enjoy it :)
@@TheRedKing It was fantastic, look forward to the next one. Would love more mega and gigastructure stories if you are taking recommendations.
@@bkylecannon Noted!
Broken Shackles is my favorite Narrative Origin. I just love the idea of a bunch of different species on a slave ship joining forces to rebel and crash landing on an unknown world together. At first, they must cooperate to survive, then they must cooperate with the idea of returning home, and then they have to cooperate under the threat of a return to slavery under MSI. And after many years of doing just this, and if you pick the path of uplifting other primitive empires along the way to create a truly egalitarian and diverse species empire, you essentially become the opposite of what MSI was while also doing the same thing. I also just really love the idea that at the beginning there was no reason after the initial rebellion for the species from different background and cultures to stick together. But after being forced by circumstance to work together for so long and so many generations, the species have just accepted this diverse lifestyle standards and it becomes apart of a greater unification of alien cultures that live together in peace and harmony.
I did a galaxy with the bird peeps with this origin. I filled my galaxy with a mix of federation builders, autocrats, and a single devouring swarm (everyone was on advanced start). RN-Geezus was my friend. I spawned next to the Blorg and UNE and they were my buds. When we finally encountered MSI, I was able to get my buddies to attack them. We (they - I just sat back and rubbed my hands like a cartoon villian) kicked some ass, however, they sued for peace (Edit: I remember now, it was an ideology change, I felt ripped off by attempts to have more powerful nations do my bidding). I was trying to see if I could start another war, only for a necrophage devouring swarm to kill them off (MSI was between us and them). Fun times!
I should probably re-load that save and see if our Federation can take on the swarm. I have an egalitarian war orc race that was in our federation and I like to think that we (they) could take them on.
Every time you say MSI I think about the band for a very quick moment before remembering I'm watching one of your reports.
I think of the computer parts manufacturer. MSI Motherboard has a different meaning here.
Calling them "the most evil megacorp" might only be true in so far as they are kinda the only megacorp really present in the lore.
All things considered, they are pretty chill.
"Yo. Primatives. We got fancy cool stuff. You can go FTL and start colonizing space! It will cost you though, based on predicted value the technology will provide for your civilization, scaling up with time so you don't have to shoulder it immediately."
"No thanks gods from another world."
"Alright, have a good day."
They aren't even particularly expansionist nor do they devote all too much to "reclaiming lost property." After all, even as a "challenge origin", it's still supposed to be possible to win... and eventually prove the value of giving the uplifting by kicking their teeth in.
Honestly its pretty easy to win. I just did a payback run where I spawned right next to MSI and after allying with a neighbor and beating them in a defensive war, I followed up and wiped them out by the early 2300s. The main challenge is just your early economy and research from less pops; MSI are pushovers once you get a decent fleet.
I mean, they still give you an offer that you can’t refuse, with a dette you can’t afford without telling you how much it will cost you or what you could afford with those technologies.
@ That's actually not a provable statement, because if you chose to not take the deal... it wouldn't be an origin for your civ. And given that in the vast majority of origins, you don't deal with MSI... It's a stretch to say that you refused such a deal, but just like all other minor incidents in the civ's past (be it world wars or what have you), it's just not noted in canon.
We need Red King MSI run.
This would be cool!
@@TheRedKing Join the -dark- corp side, we have cookie production shares.
Everytime a megacorp comes to the galaxy it disappears within a year... Looked like a nail.
Love Life Inc would like Subjugation.
We only request that you allow us to build our aid stations on all your worlds.
We want our new friends to be healthy and happy!
I make alot of custom empires vanilla. I made Dantoonie a broken shakle start along with a few other star wars empires as payback.
Using MSI is a good way of making a makeshift emperor if your trying to go for that achievement (as long as they don't shift ethics.)
Best prodeedures when encountering primitives:
step 1: move your fleet above their world
step 2: execute an armageddon bombardment
step 3: continue until all life on the planet is extinguished
step 4: terraform the planet back into a habitable state
step 5: colonize it with your own people
Pro Tip: A collosus with a neutron sweeper weapon is always preferable if you have one
I prefer the ones that break from 'Reality' and thus are motivated by something other then profits for a few.
Example:
A nation that looks after all people by ensuring they are all Equal Shareholders in the Company.
Or one that is fixated on the stated goals of the company, it was made for a reason after all.
Or one that.... you know, it really is hard thinking up a third 'good company' type...!
My megacorp is different for this reason:
Ark Genesis and Uplifting is their whole thing... We exist to MAKE friends.
We are so much nicer about it, we also make our friends into Shareholders!
Everyone is looked after for we *understand how Great Corporations are meant to be...*
I designed a Megacorp based on what AnCaps sincerely and unironically believe their ideas would result in - Fanatic Pacifist, as war destroys wealth and thus regardless of short-term profit is a long-term loss, and Egalitarian, as people and businesses should be permitted to rise or fall on their own merits without state interference. Free Traders and Private Prospectors as initial civics to double down on the idea of entrepreneurship as a defining value.
It was an experience playing as a megacorporation that was sometimes the single loudest voice for peace and understanding lol. Sometimes I'd "invest" alloys or minerals into a threatened trade partner or a smaller empire that could benefit from a kick-start to its development.
@@sirdrork8616
Healthcare is mandatory, because dying customers are bad for business.
Mine just evolved in a habitat lab, over some world that was destroyed before they came to be. Their view of Capitalism is more akin to idealistic then not, almost like they are incapable of understanding some of the more complex concepts such as greed. Money is not acquired for it's own sake, it is just the means to transfer resources between individuals. The company exists as the most effective way to achieve the goals of the company... which is to make us friends... Literally.
Still,
imagine an economical system that considers excess prices to be bad for business!
This video inspired a payback playthrough, it was an enjoyable experience.
Truly wished we had the option to have the dark elves portrait have the MSI hats
Great timing! I'm trying for the Payback achievement in my current game
Perhaps a bit daft on my end, but.. Is this a reupload? I have distinct memories of listening to this one somewhere last year when I first found you. Also hi! First time commenter! Love what you do, especially as I do not play enough Stellaris to even find half of these events.
The shackles/payback bits are more or less the same as the original ones I did back when first contact launched yes :) happy to hear you're enjoying them!! And remember them well enough to recognise the similarities!!
Don't count with your fingers you can't trust them. Quote from House IX Feudal Corp
3:20
there homeworld isn't there homeworld? they just conquered it, and after a few hundred years forgot that it isn't there homeworld
"The Most Evil Megacorp"? Is that a challenge?
For payback then yes
"Threatened with war or reparations" is sounding a little close to Haitian history isn't it😊
Basically what that was based off
A did a human nation called the "Confederate Republics of Earth," a rebel confederation of Earth's nations that fought against the Minimar Specialized Industries.
In a playthrough I intended to completely kill them as the payback origin but no matter what I did I could just not out scale them, by the time I finally could challenge MSI it was to close to the end game for a prolonged war
So, MSI is basically space-IMF, right?
I'll take your word for it
@TheRedKing I'm not sure _I_ take my word for it -- I'm definitely a layman regarding economics. That said, MSI's scheme is basically "Help a society develop technologically and economically via high-interest loans, then demand unjust concessions when they invariably can't pay the interest". That matches most serious criticism I've heard of the IMF.
Yes and no, although both end up all powerful and striving for same goals at the end of the day. Both lock in disadvantaged states/people with heavy debt. Many similarities, just different formats.
A bit concerned about my video card now
It's like first world countries trapping third world countries in debt.
I wish we could play as MSI 🤷♂️
I agree, thier portraits are unique and it would be a great mega-corp role-play. Also I've been saying that we should be able to play as a Nomad fleet as well, really wish we could interact with the Nomads more in the beginning. I think it's stupid that it's just a random contact and a small chance to buy ships from them.
Preach, feels like a lost opportunity!
@@RobT192
Nomad Fleet would be an interesting option, but the game isn't really made for that.
Think of it like this: Having no planets in the game triggers said game to do what?
Lot of recoding, but could be possible to add a 'moving world' to the game?
The gaming computers are bait.
Sooo, thank you, my next challenge is Payback using LLI
Lets see if a softer version of their business model can replace them as superior!
My first test, we found some pre-FTL:
Time to make some new friends!
PS:
Already enjoying this dread, do I use this alloys for a colony or for a fleet....
So I had to restart, realizing going the military route was not to the Spirit of the playthrough or the Species in question. This has now been a lot more interesting, trying to find a way to Pay Back the Debt instead of getting Pay Back. While I haven't gotten that far yet, they haven't raised the rates, I realized something... you likely have to pay it all back at once.
So I am going the crisis path just to get storage for all the credits I will need.
So that is interesting:
They don't seem to up the payment amount, meaning you can easily end up ignoring the whole disability by mid-game.
It is still fun to remove their business model from existence!
Still progressing to my end goal, but while I do so I found out something:
It is very fun to have MSI as a Diplomatic Enemy....
Something about getting the whole universe to turn their back on MSI is wonderful to feel. Each time you take out one of MSI's business practices, make it harder for them to exploit others, it feels like a big step made towards the ultimate of goals. I am still wondering how great it will be when I successfully have the council denounce them. If only it didn't take forever to get things through the Senate....
Think I will call this successful if:
A) The game does allow me to pay back the whole amount
B) I get MSI declaimed as a crisis
Well that was frustrating.
Everything was going well, slowly getting resolutions in line and waiting for favours then.
Federation War, right on my border....
With my side deciding not to partake and all of their sides packing multiple 150K fleets.
I held back as long as I could but was crippled... and then the crisis hit.
At least I got to watch them being smacked around first, if only our universe had my 600K of ships still!
One of my favorite origins. My people were hurt, giving us justification to lash out at others.
My lords, ❤
Also, mic change? Sounds tinny
umm same mic, the shackles and payback stories are older recordings though maybe the difference?
Oh c’mon! At least let them fight back before you enclave them.
Ancient human what now?
Thumbs up to @theredking . Thumbs down to MSI.
Best villan is villan that have good point.
In one heand they bad, not showing full price of uplifting
On other heand look at stellaris standard galaxsy more than half of pre ftl die or end up slaves in others empire... Uplifting and becoming vassal in erly space history of that galaxsy another stage is not that bad.
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