Why Aren't Asians Good at CS?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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0:00 - AceZone Sponsor
0:48 - Intro
1:37 - A brief history of Asian CS:GO
2:42 - IHC's results, and Lau's opinion
5:58 - Comparison with Smash Bro's Melee
6:47 - Conclusion / Lau's dream
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Editing by / vonvorter - Ігри
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Asians unite 😤
I am a Semi-proplayer IGL in China used to ranked top 1 in perfect world proleauge and what I think the biggest problem in CNCS or Asia in all is because of the lack of implementing systematic Counter strikes, more based on personal skills and dry-peeks(no util) are the dominence plays, in China stats on paper are been prioritize way too much than other things like your ELO, Rating, ADR, and etc, causing no new IGL and support or coach that could bring system to the team, everyone in CNCS thinks about how to become S1mple but not how to win the match. we could have 5 Simple 2.0 in one team but with no system 1+1+1+1+1 is always smaller than 5. Im 17 years old and I am the only young blood IGL in China who is trying to make a change but as what is happening right now there are no chance for any team in China to rise up and have a fair match with any other area on earth in CSGO.
I always get Chinese guys who plays like s1mple 2.0. They're either staring at the floor or just straight up buying awp no armor and rushing under. Asian mm isn't really enjoyable in my experience.
@@istayro it might be controversial but I think CN player got the best aim in the wrold, I have coached some Chinese Semi Proplayers and their personal skills are just insane!
@@istayro but MM in asia is just full of Hackers NGL
@@D34thEnjoyer I also used to play at a semi pro level though from a worse region ( south asia) and all of what you said is true. Even in our team only me and my igl knew about the fundamentals that eu teams . We tried so hard to make the other 3 players follow it but failed at the end and then disbanded after an year
@@D34thEnjoyer I have played skilled Chinese players when I was playing 5E back then. They just lack nade usage and rotations.
My experience the asians are always some of the best mechanically. Tyloo, IHC, NKT, the one korean team that switched to Val. They were all very good mechanically.
Not true
Deathmatch players are good mechanically, dont make them good cs players
Tbh.. everyone’s that is a veteran in CS is mechanically good but not everyone has the good IQ of being a team player.. if you combine with IQ and being mechanically good, you be on another level.
Paper Rex was an incredibly talented CS team that kept choking lol, I’m glad they’ve made some deep international tournament runs including a grand final against the best team in the world at the time. It’s clear their hyper aggressive style of play is more suited to Valorant and all the crazy comps they can come up with compared to CS where being a brain dead W key warrior doesn’t work as much.
theyre very non risk adverse. too much risk = too much balls
LETSGO Mongolia!!! Remember watching kabal play in local lan pcs back home. Glad they're doing well on the international stage.
Moved from playing competitive CS in Asia to Europe. I feel it’s so much easier to queue for MM, FACEIT and actual tournaments because esports is so much more developed here. One other reason is in matchmaking most games in Asia have hackers, not a racist thing it’s just facts. I compared my leetify record from playing in Asia to playing in Europe. Every other game in Asia I get hacker, sometimes even multiple games in a row, but in Europe I barely get any script kiddies.
90% of asian cs are chinese because of popoulation dominance. But 90% of those chinese are hackers. Thats why cs is dead in asia
esports isnt "more developed" in europe, CS is.
@@boyo7494 it just is though. Rare atom and IHC prove that Asian teams can go h2h with European competition. Esports is just a lot easier to get into in Europe and the stigma from family or staying in your room and grinding is much more forgiving in Europe than Asia. Saying skill issue could be a good explanation a few years ago but now the skill gap has closed, it’s just opportunity gap that is still there.
@@kingstonkuek1930 hes saying CS is more developed in Europe, not esports as a whole. The esports scene in asia is developed and they dominate in some games, just not in CS.
@@SickoFlare See also: any MOBA or RTS
I remember back in like 2018 I tried to play CSGO in Korea, the closest server was in singapore with like 120 ping and CSGO was also not free not to mention not even installed (let alone steam) on the internet cafes. The only ways to play back then pretty much was to play community servers and that's where everyone was. I heard it's better now with japan and chinese servers but no one really plays csgo due to sudden attack and other korean/asian FPS shooters. Even Valorant fell off really hard and more people play PUBG than valorant in internet cafes there, which really speaks a lot.
very late but: it should somewhat be easier for Korea to play CS now since they now have their own server, located in Seoul which was added sometime in 2021. Although at the moment, game's practically dead. CS2 could maybe change things and they may potentially give it a try but not guaranteed.
I think it is more on the density of players in each server knowing the EU has close countries and the Asian region is separate from one another specifically SEA servers. with that factor, the EU can be more competitive to rise above leaderboards or attention while it might be easier to reach the top leaderboards in Asia knowing there is less competition.
your love for an international counter-strike is infectious lau. also, analogy to armada is good, but amsa's story is even crazier (at least armada's brother was a top player for many years and there were other peach players!)
It's a distribution problem on csgo's part . They didn't properly invest in Asia csgo .
For comparison in Valorant there is separate league for Thailand , China , India , Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam , Japan , Korea , Hongkong/Taiwan and the top teams from each of these countries meet at one competition and the winner/top 2 from here goes to the major .
If csgo does something like that it would've continued to be famous but they never figured it out .
Must remember that Asia is too big and it has a very big language problem. Mix teams rarely work here and only with English speaking countries like Singapore. Usually they prefer one language like Thai , Indonesian , Korean etc .
This is just one problem for professional players and there are a lot more problems i can list out which casual players face
europe has faceit which means they have an actual anticheat and also a scene.. southamerica has faceit but it is extremelly hard to find a match after waiting for 3 hours, I bet the same happens in asia, and if you want to develop by playing competitive or nowadays premier you get tons of cheaters because vac is trash.
Lau always giving the shoutout to ssbm good to see
Seeing IHC succeed is fantastic. I remember loving to watch Project KR, WNV, lunatic-hai back in 1.6 - IMO the best CS era for asian counter-strike.
Where did the demos go? It's been since the top 20 and we still haven't got a single Katowice demo...
Don't think he's doing them anymore...
Much love to these kind videos
yooo the melee comparison 😎
sry if this was already mentioned in the video, but I'm korean and when i went to korea, it's honestly hard to play counterstrike AS WE KNOW IT. If you go to a pc cafe, their "counterstrike" is an older localized zombie gamemode version, and that's the only version of counterstrike they know. When I asked my cousin whether he knew what counterstrike was, he said "oh that really old (bad graphics) zombie game??"
also, i have a hunch that the same can be said with lotsa other asian countries, cause like look at valorant or overwatch which has good korean and japanese teams.
damn...
@@launders I'm not sure what it's like now but it's definitely too late for CS (and I don't see CS2 doing much for that either) with Valorant, PUBG, Overwatch and Sudden Attack being far more popular FPS games than CS is in Korea, but I used to live in Canada and played a lot of CSGO. I moved back to Korea in around 2015 and had to give up playing even casually because the playerbase was pretty much nonexistent, MM especially Asian MM is full of cheaters and the ping was awful. I kept up with CS esports for a few more years but eventually I moved on. I can't speak for other countries but given that Korea is a pretty huge market in gaming I can't imagine it was much better especially for Southeast Asian players. The biggest factor IMO is Valve's lack of support or even interest in really trying to expand the market in Asia until recently, Valorant has marketing and ad campaigns, and there are 120 tick servers for matchmaking in Seoul, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Sydney, and Mumbai (for Asia). Valve's very hands-off approach works fine for regions like North or South America and Europe who already have a very large base of CS players from 1.6, Source etc but it's worthless when trying to break into new markets.
From that perspective it's not hard to see why Valorant esports has relative parity worldwide with competitive teams from every region, and at the last LAN a few months ago there was all three major regions represented in the top 4, 1st place was Fnatic (EMEA), 2nd place was LOUD (BR/Americas), 3rd/4th was DRX (KR/Pacific) and NaVi (EMEA). Similar story at Champions 2022, 1st LOUD (BR), 2nd OpTic (NA), 3rd DRX (KR) and 4th FPX (EU).
Of course this is only my personal experience but I think it says a lot -- when even someone like myself who was a big CSGO fan and player stops playing after moving here because of the state of the game (at least in KR), what chance does the game have of attracting new players who might be interested when there are so many other options that have more support and marketing from the devs?
I think that makes it all the more incredible what IHC have done despite the struggles that you went over in the video, but sadly I don't really see a bright future for CS in East Asia at least. Also as a side note, a thought I had was that because Mongolia is right next to Russia, and a lot of Central Asian countries including Mongolia have close-ish ties to the CIS region, there may be some bleed over from the popularity of CS there and that might be why they've got a small but dedicated playerbase.
Sorry to reply to a month old comment (if you even do read it) but I wanted to share my thoughts on the situation as someone who's experienced the state of the game in both NA and KR/Asia.
im japanese but live in new zealand.
Rn Val is super hot in Japan, wish they all started playing cs. I wanna see a pro japanese team at a major
valorant is crap game has no future. good luck
@@m.n.s.s2825 whatever you say bro at the moment valorant is (objectively) a better game. But maybe something will change with cs source 2
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Learn the meaning of objectively first 🤣
@@m.n.s.s2825 no
There was one Japanese pro team
It was
Scarz Absolute but they disbanded
These videos and you/Scrawny’s commentating have kept the level of this game fucking incredible, great to see another Indian-North American so passionate about counter-strike and it’s history
Feel like you could have included Machinegun and BnTeT's stints overseas in the history, but good video regardless
great video
Best CS channel on UA-cam right now
good one. hope to see more success from ihc. really their style
Very cool that you're a melee fan. Cs and melee are my favorite games.
Great video. Entertaining. The editing on top of it is dope.
Somebody is my favorite asian csgo pro
with source2 hype you should do a video covering the last few years of pro for returning players and newbs
Maybe you can do a video about up and coming teams like Aurora or 9ine that are getting some really amazing results in tier 2
as korean, we played sudden attack instead of counter strike.
somebody was on IHC? you mentioned antwerp but I couldnt find anything talking about him or his broken hand
This title is mental Launders XDDDDDD
I Hope skor gets picked up by a decent team in Europe maybe as he has been kicked from IHC
valorant really scooped up the sea csgo scene.
the problem with the asian CS scene is the lack of opportunity that they have. the reason why valorant is big in asia is because all regions get the same opportunity. unlike CSGO which is only EU-centric
in north Africa we also have big cs community ( Algeria , tunisie, morocco, egypte (i guess))
Great video! Would love to see your take on Loba and Docc's team on the major!
I think their calmness is why they are good. When you are the hyped guy, you are very emotional and you can make the emotions take you away. You might become nervous in a clutch or you can get aggressive without noticing it. You dont see guys with cool heads like them that often
reminds me of Apex
I remember when in c. 2018 I was so hyped/scared that asia has finally arrived into CS and soon they will dominate everybody from eu/na/sa and we had no chance.
Now I'm kinda sad it hasn't come true
Sweden had a lot of decent competition actually. They weren't doing as hot as SoCal back in 2009 but Leffen, Android, Masamune, Amsah, Ice etc. were all close enough to play with him. He also didn't really optimize against bots he just grinded movement tech so when he landed in SoCal he was doing peach things nobody had seen before. Great vid though!
Popped in my recommended after mongolz won the Mesa masters tournament lol
Kazakhs have 2 majors as of now, unfortunately we do not have full Kazakh stacks like IHC and Grayhound or Brazilian teams
Kazakhs are in CIS region, by Asia people usually mean China, India, Japan etc.
Lau surely do a video concerning African and South African CS 😍
´love the new type of content lau
love from copenhagen, denmark
banger vid
Oh my god Tyloo was all the way back in 2016… I’m getting old.
cancel cops had a heart attack
he's asian i don't think anyone would really get upset by it
I remember when I watched Tyloo beat Liquid live I thought I was seeing the new era of CS happen before my eyes.
As an Australian that watched quite a bit of Asian CS (cos timezone) you might think Tyloo were very sloppy but in that era comparative to asian CS they were damn clean.
Like that 2017 Vici team made you want to tear your hair out and "the Mongolz" played VERY straight up usually (Kabal has come a long way). MVP (korean team) were fairly clean but they were dogshit in 2016
If you want an example of Tyloo not being extremely sloppy check their game against Immunity in 2017 Krakow asian minor championship. They were absolutely ruthless.
The problem for Tyloo in that era is they played against Chinese teams too often. They played a TON of tournaments (they even played in a Chinese tournament with a 22 game group stage) and kicked the shit out of everyone except Vici/Cyberzen.
When you win every game 16-3 you get sloppy and don't have to improve.
thanks for the melee reference
What's #indiacs2024? Does it denotes towards the general election in india?
The thumbnail silhouette takes me back to simpler times 😩
"one of the greatest players of all time" lau tearing down armadas legacy in real time
6:44 what do valorant have that cs does not? Do they have like more regions for qualifiers or somehing?
riot just do an insane job with other regions from marketing to internet cafes
this is a crazy video
I don't really have a history on competitive cs but i have seen how the pros play and just play against players that are kinda around faceit lvl 7-10 (idk if they are bad or just trolling but it kinda seems like they were serious even tho it's just a pug server). SEA region for example relies heavily on dominant plays and sometimes or even a lot of times don't follow the fundamentals like how it is in europe. They use more of an explosive style (which takes a lot of risk) which is why they usually gets punished easily. Eu teams a lot of times has a system while asian cs usually is just go with the flow. I haven't really seen IHC play tho. I think another problem is how there is absolutely no support from valve's side to grow the scene in the region.
title is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
whats the music in the background anybody know
boxr shirt lookin hella comfy
It definitely has something to do with Asia CS not having the best support for tournaments and such. Plus they're pretty much region locked (no other teams to play with and Europeans are way too far to play with.) This is why you'll see Asian Valorant teams get more success than Asian CS teams, Asia CS has been quite underrated.
always felt bad for kaze, one of my favorite players but could never pull together any deep tournament runs with ViCi
Why wear Pros allways on Stage 2 seperate headphones? And where i can find this Track in the background as instrumental? This sh*t is lit 🔥🔥🔥
wild title 💀💀💀💀
launders lookin good brotha no longer lookin like a number 2 pencil
this title is CRAZY LMFAOO
What are your thoughts on Skor getting benched?
benched? for what reason?
@@outsomnia unknown but kabal is already listed as their fifth.
jesus christ the editing on this is insane, on other news, replays?
Why there aren’t many successful Asian pro teams? Well, you answered it yourself. Valve and faceit don’t really care to develop this region, there are no good servers for asians to play, with at least moderate ping. I live in Siberia, pretty close to Mongolian border btw, and playing every faceit game with 150+ ping is really frustrating.
and now sk0r out, I guess they preferred Bart4k role-wise and wanted to bring back the experience of kabal for the RMR
It’s systematic and not a heavy priorities game. A lot of na teams have Asian players . Check valorant the Asian region is popping off with prx, talon esports and drx ( they have huge support with servers and tournaments )
When's the next deemo?
i love you laundry
I was actually intrested in the headphones till I found out starting price is 320 lul thanks Lau for consumer prices
Very unfortunate that Skor left the team
how do we fix NA cs?
Since when was Somebody ever on IHC?
so instead of NA nades now we have Asia nades?
LOL the title 💀
damn that shirt in the intro is GAS
I think a huge factor is ping. Xantares faced this issue too, so he has to become twice as good as NA players to overcome the ping.
He's not better than Elige. What are you smoking?
@@ELGUAPOIV he is
@@mentosz9609lol what? Elige can mop the floor with Xantares
Xantares is known due to his aim online
But in LAN and official matches?
He's no bueno
Launders lacism caught lackin
Gambit 2017: Am I joke for you?
With sk0r kicked out, is it sustainable any more?
You know what… I’m gonna say it
We can’t see the screen that well
sk0r got kicked from IHC as far as I know.. I hope they can replace him and we see more from them in the near future
5:11 sk0R not in TheMongolz... 😐
Launders you good bro 💀
Why did Skor leave tho kicked?
i personally belive that iran would be a strong nation in cs but beacause of sanctions a lot of services like esea or faceit are either banned by them or the goverment and a lot of people dont have good pcs and they have to play in the internet cafes
It's sad that CSGO has a pretty dead region but Mongolia has really risen to the pinnacle of Asian CSGO over the years. Sadly, the game is dead pretty much everywhere else and there is just more hype and opportunity in VALORANT since RIOT actually cares.
I used to be a long time CSGO player, but I rarely even play games anymore since I'm so busy with my degree but I do tune into VALORANT esports from time to time since I finally get to see Asian VALORANT compete with the tops of EU and NA and you even have a region like Japan so hugely invested into VALORANT which has never really occured in FPS games aside from APEX and VALORANT thus far. Asian VALORANT has a bright future throughout the whole continent while CSGO is sadly down to it's wits, with Mongolian and Chinese teams, and scrap die hard CSGO players from all the other countries who have yet to transition to VALORANT.
insane title LOL
love from Mongolia
You didn't even answer the question in the title... lol
Mongolia's cs environment is totally different from Chinese cs, Chinese cs has made the best Asian teams in the world, but nowadays, Chinese cs players now are more focused on making money on skin or playing smurf accounts for those people who pay for them to get into the higher level. The environment for Chinese cs can not go back, and I hope there are more tournaments in China and more young people can focus on CS, not on the money that much. Then is the time for Chinese cs back to the top.
Crazy that IHC part ways with sk0r :(
4:42 of course they just had to use hissing commentator for this one...
"i love sk0r's attitude"
AWARE :((
in korea they simply dont play cs. in genre perspective tac shooting is not that popular. so there are no pool to begin with
for pro scene, fps isnt a big thing here. 'esports' in korea is just lck and nothing else matters. (maybe starcraft?)
in 1.6/source era there were some teams and players even in tier 1 scene. it all shrunk after cs go conversion.
handful of pro cs players switched to valorant. and even valorant pro scene is not that big.
p.s. we can play cs go in internet cafe here. cs go is installed in computers. but since no one plays cs go much, if i try to launch cs the updates are way behind current patches...
I think they are capable but they need to improve more since they dont have the chances that EU or NA have...
I miss xccurate, one of my fav awper in csgo. Unfortunately Tyloo is not the best team for him
I think csgo has more servers in more countries than valorant?
But coach, what about indian cs?
didnt skor just leave?
imo, mainly because of the physical distance between Asia and Europe. Tyloo starts to part away with the "mainstream" European counter-strike play style at around 2018. Asian cs had no integration during the recent couple of years, and pandemic worsened the situation, making travel/connection events impossible. Meanwhile, European cs had the rise of c9, Astralis, NaVi, etc. Tyloo barely makes any progress while others are cramming out new tactics and plays. We lost by marching on the same spot. I'm sorry for the broken English. It's my second language.
props to the Mongolz, Asia's last hope in the foreseeable future.