Bro it sounds so good! I love it when people take relatively low end consoles and push them to their limits to get awesome results. The X32/M32 are still some of my favorite consoles to mix on!
Awesome job and a big thanks for the file. I just moved to stereo for my guitar (using a Helix and splitter box to switch between electric or acoustic). Made a big difference in the room. Still working thru ambient mics as we've got a pretty quiet congregation and I don't want to just have an echoey band.
I like this approach. Always had several post fade channels feeding buses to the stream matrix compressing along the way. It can get a bit more complicated that way. I like that you are using the limiter to compress as well with the squeeze parameter. I would use it as a brick wall limiter only but am going to try your approach. The simpler the better. The MxU guys did a video on something similar but they were just using a copy of FOH merged with another bus (+10dB) for speaking and playback. Wondering which approach would make the most sense.
Thanks for this insight! I wanted to understand the routing section behind this setup... more specifically how would you configure the outputs for matrices
Question: the file you are sharing is only for the broadcast mix or does it come with the room (FOH) mix. I want to try your template or scene that sounds great for my live-streaming on x32 but I don’t want to change anything on the house mix.
Did not see in the video but you have to send the stereo fx returns to the bus 11,12 to show people how to get your returns into the stereo buses. Return of drum verb into your 9,10 and other fx into 11,12. People keep looking to use a DAW to add to their x32 broadcast quality but they could just do these changes. I mix into buses 1-12 though which is like your four, and separate guitars, keys, crowd, vox and drums. Allows more granularity. Also more boost as you can use bus compressors for pastor mic boost instead of riding faders to +10.
@@RylandRussell Alright - yes that nice an simple, we do the same idea, but have issues with buzz and volume issues with our XLR to Atem mini extreme. XLR to headphone. Will be trying your settings and with effects and looking at the file to see if it helps!
Hey Ryland, do you guys use another Mixing board to implement iems or how did you handle it? I just came across and wondered why there are just some couple of iem buses in the show file. So i just wondered. Because at my church every musician has its own mono iem.
@@huydavidpham so we use behringer p16 units for every player to create their own in ear mix. But it is limited to 16 channels so we submit the drums and submix our click/loops in case we run some from stage.
@@RylandRussell ooops i was a little mistaken i meant yeah you connect the p16 to the board and then you daisy chain all the p16s with each. Atm we do use Behringer P2s and everyone has its own bus to put their volume up or down. Its just a little mess with cable management and our stream does not sound so well like yours haha. If you want to have a look the name of the UA-cam Channel is “Jesus Zentrum”. We are a little german and vietnamese church
Nice work...sounds pretty big! We have drums in a bus mainly to feed our P16's but not included in the matrix. Curious how including the drum bus into the matrix alongside the other stream bus which also has drums included is benefiting you? Could be something for me to try out. Also, I'm sure you plan on reigning that extra snare ring to the list ...you think it's a gate thing, or just need some moon gel/drum ring type treatment?
@@RylandRussell Is that (Drums on stearate matrix) so the drums don't get limited? How do you control the level of the drums... if the FOH guy is mixing everything a little louder or quieter, the post-fader action of the non-drums matrix will bring that all up and down, but the drums won''t. ...or are the drums, effectively post fader because you are grabbing the drums from a stereo mixed-down bus that is, itself, post fader from the individual mic channels?
I have been looking at your template in x32 edit. Thank you by the way. Drums and drum verb are both pre fader which make sense. Vocals are post fader but their verb is pre fader. Why is that? The vocal delay is post fade. Just trying to understand the thought process. Thanks!
Hey Ryland! Why do you run a Matrix from you livestream bus instead of a direct out? Maybe a stupid question. I'm trying to figure out how to get my livestream audio to the livestream computer after hooking up 2 new s16 digital snake boxes. Would this be the answer? I could run from the matrix out to the livestream?
The matrix is assigned to two direct outputs. There is no "dedicated" matrix outputs. If using an x32 you would still assign the same way. The reason for matrix is that it allows the summing of the two busses. And opens up effects to be inserted on multiple buses that way.
How would I add reverb to the mix if it's all on a mix bus - would I send instruments to the reverb effect, then send that bus to the stream L/R linked mix bus instead of sending everything straight to the mix bus from the fader flip (sends on faders)? Or can you send a bus to a bus?
Once you have fader flipped you stream bus go to the fx bus and bring it up to taste. You can set the different instruments/vocals fx levels in the same way by selecting the fx bus and fader flipping. I believe this can only be done with effects 1-4 on these consoles.
So we have 4 sound guys and they all kinda run drums to taste in our room so it was a bit of a dance each week adjusting for that in the stream bus. One week the kick would be too loud, snare too soft etc. just gives us a more consistent drum mix so far.
@@RylandRussell do you guys do gain settings each week? Could someone roll up gain on kick and the pre fader tap ends up making it too hot that week? If gain is similar and mics don’t move and drummer is same player, should be good with pre fader. Most videos of yours I see the same gentleman on drums, so seems consistent. I have a rotating group at our HoW and may have one of five or more drummers. Some hit heavy, some not so.
I just noticed that there is a slight gap at the bottom of the lower section that is allowing video through (look at the very bottom on the video when there are lyrics on the screen)
Bro it sounds so good! I love it when people take relatively low end consoles and push them to their limits to get awesome results. The X32/M32 are still some of my favorite consoles to mix on!
Thanks Andrew, I really appreciate it!
I like the "epic" sound of your drums! Please show how you set up everything, micriphones and overall mix ...
Awesome job and a big thanks for the file. I just moved to stereo for my guitar (using a Helix and splitter box to switch between electric or acoustic). Made a big difference in the room. Still working thru ambient mics as we've got a pretty quiet congregation and I don't want to just have an echoey band.
Love all the way from Birmingham, United Kingdom
Very nicely done brother, Nice light effects and I always think Audience mics are extremely important for the Broadcast ! Right on Ryland!
Thanks David!
I like this approach. Always had several post fade channels feeding buses to the stream matrix compressing along the way. It can get a bit more complicated that way. I like that you are using the limiter to compress as well with the squeeze parameter. I would use it as a brick wall limiter only but am going to try your approach. The simpler the better. The MxU guys did a video on something similar but they were just using a copy of FOH merged with another bus (+10dB) for speaking and playback. Wondering which approach would make the most sense.
Great sound that I will be attempting to emulate. Thank you for sharing.
Going to try these tricks & tips out against Sunday. Thanks to sharing! ❤️
Thanks for this insight! I wanted to understand the routing section behind this setup... more specifically how would you configure the outputs for matrices
Here ya go ua-cam.com/video/54UhtUEgw70/v-deo.html
@@RylandRussell Thank you
Thanks man. It is very helpful. God bless❤
Question: the file you are sharing is only for the broadcast mix or does it come with the room (FOH) mix. I want to try your template or scene that sounds great for my live-streaming on x32 but I don’t want to change anything on the house mix.
@@DavidChicas-oo4qd it will change the house mix. Just save your scene and then recall mine. Take a look at it and see kinda what I’ve done.
THANK YOU!
Did not see in the video but you have to send the stereo fx returns to the bus 11,12 to show people how to get your returns into the stereo buses. Return of drum verb into your 9,10 and other fx into 11,12. People keep looking to use a DAW to add to their x32 broadcast quality but they could just do these changes. I mix into buses 1-12 though which is like your four, and separate guitars, keys, crowd, vox and drums. Allows more granularity. Also more boost as you can use bus compressors for pastor mic boost instead of riding faders to +10.
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Thanks for the file - one question how do you send your stream mix from the m32 to the stream?
And that mix sounds awesome! I love it!
Xlr sends to atem studio. Just have to choose the matrix on the bus routing page. Thanks!
@@RylandRussell Alright - yes that nice an simple, we do the same idea, but have issues with buzz and volume issues with our XLR to Atem mini extreme. XLR to headphone. Will be trying your settings and with effects and looking at the file to see if it helps!
Hey Ryland, do you guys use another Mixing board to implement iems or how did you handle it? I just came across and wondered why there are just some couple of iem buses in the show file. So i just wondered. Because at my church every musician has its own mono iem.
@@huydavidpham so we use behringer p16 units for every player to create their own in ear mix. But it is limited to 16 channels so we submit the drums and submix our click/loops in case we run some from stage.
@@RylandRussell ah i see so u just daisy chained all p16 and its routed so that everyone is using its own mix
@@huydavidpham that’s not really how the p16 works. They all get the same 16 channels that you assign from your soundboard via cat5
@@RylandRussell ooops i was a little mistaken i meant yeah you connect the p16 to the board and then you daisy chain all the p16s with each. Atm we do use Behringer P2s and everyone has its own bus to put their volume up or down. Its just a little mess with cable management and our stream does not sound so well like yours haha. If you want to have a look the name of the UA-cam Channel is “Jesus Zentrum”. We are a little german and vietnamese church
Nice work...sounds pretty big! We have drums in a bus mainly to feed our P16's but not included in the matrix. Curious how including the drum bus into the matrix alongside the other stream bus which also has drums included is benefiting you? Could be something for me to try out. Also, I'm sure you plan on reigning that extra snare ring to the list ...you think it's a gate thing, or just need some moon gel/drum ring type treatment?
The drums are ONLY in the drum bus and not in the post fader bus. Then they merge in the matrix.
The drums are ONLY in the drum bus and not in the post fader bus. Then they merge in the matrix.
@@RylandRussell Cool thanks for the clarification
@@RylandRussell Is that (Drums on stearate matrix) so the drums don't get limited?
How do you control the level of the drums... if the FOH guy is mixing everything a little louder or quieter, the post-fader action of the non-drums matrix will bring that all up and down, but the drums won''t.
...or are the drums, effectively post fader because you are grabbing the drums from a stereo mixed-down bus that is, itself, post fader from the individual mic channels?
I have been looking at your template in x32 edit. Thank you by the way. Drums and drum verb are both pre fader which make sense. Vocals are post fader but their verb is pre fader. Why is that? The vocal delay is post fade. Just trying to understand the thought process. Thanks!
Because that was a mistake I fixed recently 😅
@@RylandRussell oh ok, fair enough lol, thanks for replying
Did you eq the matrix? Do I route the matrix to a physical output on the x32 to connect to the Atem?
We don't eq the matrix. Yes, go into routing and route matrix to a physical bus output.
Hey Ryland! Why do you run a Matrix from you livestream bus instead of a direct out? Maybe a stupid question. I'm trying to figure out how to get my livestream audio to the livestream computer after hooking up 2 new s16 digital snake boxes. Would this be the answer? I could run from the matrix out to the livestream?
The matrix is assigned to two direct outputs. There is no "dedicated" matrix outputs. If using an x32 you would still assign the same way. The reason for matrix is that it allows the summing of the two busses. And opens up effects to be inserted on multiple buses that way.
How would I add reverb to the mix if it's all on a mix bus - would I send instruments to the reverb effect, then send that bus to the stream L/R linked mix bus instead of sending everything straight to the mix bus from the fader flip (sends on faders)? Or can you send a bus to a bus?
Once you have fader flipped you stream bus go to the fx bus and bring it up to taste. You can set the different instruments/vocals fx levels in the same way by selecting the fx bus and fader flipping. I believe this can only be done with effects 1-4 on these consoles.
Are the drum bus and the reverb/delay the same that is being returned to the main house mix?
Yes all of our effects are used in both main house and stream mix. Mixed initially at different levels.
How do send effects to the stream? Do I send it to the stream bus or the matrix bus?
We add the effects on to the stream bus.
Can you do video on copyright for church worship songs
i send my email, but im not receive m32 file
Did you check your spam? Reach out on instagram if need be.
What’s the reasoning behind having the drum bus pre fader rather than post?
So we have 4 sound guys and they all kinda run drums to taste in our room so it was a bit of a dance each week adjusting for that in the stream bus. One week the kick would be too loud, snare too soft etc. just gives us a more consistent drum mix so far.
@@RylandRussell do you guys do gain settings each week? Could someone roll up gain on kick and the pre fader tap ends up making it too hot that week? If gain is similar and mics don’t move and drummer is same player, should be good with pre fader. Most videos of yours I see the same gentleman on drums, so seems consistent. I have a rotating group at our HoW and may have one of five or more drummers. Some hit heavy, some not so.
Thanks for the reply. That’s a good reason to do it
I just noticed that there is a slight gap at the bottom of the lower section that is allowing video through (look at the very bottom on the video when there are lyrics on the screen)
Yep! I saw that too. We just moved our whole pro7 setup to a new machine and had to rebuild our Audience looks. That correction is on the list 😀👍🏻
Thanks for sharing, always good to see what others are doing!