The MISSING Ingredient to your Livestream Audio Mix
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
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0:00 - Why?
0:36 - Demo in/out
1:17 - What we use currently
1:50 - The major benefits
3:20 - Placement
4:32 - Pickup Patterns
7:22 - Comparing 4 different mics
7:37 - Shure SM81
8:09 - Behringer C-2
8:42 - Audio Technica Pro 37R
9:14 - AKG C 568 EB Shotgun
9:46 - Ceiling Mounted Demo
10:31 - Processing
10:54 - EQ I'm typically doing
11:26 - Sidechain Compression Trick
13:07 - Using Ducking to offset
13:54 - Bonus Video - Розваги
Thanks for actually combining the audio sample with real-time video, easier to interpret while looking at where they're positioned. Was also struggling in applying sidechain comps a lot so thanks for the explanation!
Dude! Your videos keep getting more pro level. Thanks brother.
😎 Thanks!
Audience mics for the win! Great video.
Thanks Dillon/Kade! :)
We have some elderly or immune-compromised members who can only join worship on our livestream. Our crowd mic really helps make them feel part of the community. Before the service, we boost the crowd mic so they can hear the jumble of conversations in the space. Adjust up or down during readings/sermons/singing. Our space is small enough that people can offer prayers and prayer requests from their seats. We crank the crowd mic during these. The sound quality is lo-fi and reverberant, but on the stream you can HEAR what is being said - usually as well or better than people in the worship space. I wish we could do the same in the space without feedback, but ya canna violate the laws of physics.
I used old choir mics, hung from our catwalk, about 14 ft off the floor. They're about 4 rows of seats back and aimed with the rejection point aimed toward the PA. They work great.
Nice! How did you manage time alignment? Jealous of your catwalk!!
@@RylandRussell I'm definitely spoiled with the catwalk! Our camera signal flow to the broadcast room, is close to 400ft from Camera to the switcher. (Camera -> FOH Videohub, FOH -> Amproom Videohub, Amp room down the hall to Broadcast Room Switcher) So to get our audio in sync with our video, we delay our broadcast mix (on an aux) by about 150ms. Audience mics are on their own aux delayed by about 110ms, to put them in correct timing relative to the house. Both auxes feed a matrix, which is sent to broadcast.
On point as always! Gotta have the crowd mic, what a difference that makes when capturing worship!
Thanks a bunch and I completely agree. 👍
C2 stereo pair sounds nice in the ceiling
One point of advice: you’ll have a much easier time with the crowd mics if your room has been treated with sufficient sound absorption. If not, it may be very difficult, if not impossible to tame the drums or PA bleed from the room mic, even if it is a shotgun mic.
This is a great help. Thank you Ryland.
Really appreciated! God bless you.
Thanks for doing this!
Great job Ryland. You're crushing it!
Good info Ry, thank you so very much.
This is great, thanks for comparing the different mics!
Ryland! This is so helpful! We lack a bit in the "Processing" department, and I learned from you!
This is awesome. Thanks!! Our church is very small so I just use 2 cameras in regular services and I just open the mics on the cameras to listen to the people.
Great video.. Thanks brother. God bless you
Good stuff Ryland! We just added crowd mics to our stream mix. We’re a small church with a small stage so we had to place one of the mics in front of the drums, so we get some cymbal bleed. Your eq suggestion should help so thanks for the video!
I like to have two sets of room mics. Two shotguns on stage facing out to get as much as the people, while minimizing the PA being picked up, and two cardioids on stands next to the sound console, basically to act as the FOH guys ears, that way if the FOH guy hears the congregation singing out, then the people at home will too
Thanks for the video Ryland! After your suggestion to add audience mics from reviewing our (Highland Park-Edmond) livestream awhile back we added the C-2s as well. I will have to try the side compression and ducking. Thanks again for your videos and God bless!
Totally agree with your side chaining technique. I've done this with our overhead drum mics as the source. I think I'll try doing the same with the pastor mics so I can really get those room mics up in those quieter worship moments. I might also try a rider to achieve something similar
Majorly helpful. Thanks, man!
Awesome to hear. Hope you are well Nathan!
The way shotgun mics do their polar pattern they generally aren't good indoors. Reflections sort of defeat the way they do tight polar patterns. The pencil condensers are a much better choice for indoors. You could even try parabolic dishes to focus what you get.
My initial goal of ambient mics was to help the band keep their in-ears in their ears. What I get now using two ambient mics, is that any reverb or tap-delay isn’t helpful for the band. The stream sounds much better although until I heard your suggestion of gating I was riding the fader to pull ambient sound out of the mix. I will try the parallel compression to address the reverb/delay. Thank you for sharing your passion and excellence.
The ONLY thing I noticed about this video:
I think you flubbed a word and called it ‘parallel compression’, when you meant to refer to ‘sidechain compression’ because you talked about the sidechain feature using that word. Parallel compression is a super useful tool and could be useful for this application, but a different tool.
I’ll have to listen to some of your recent service replays. In isolation that EQ really sounds like you’re taking away the ‘room’ sound of the crowd mic, but in practice it’s blended in with sources that are fighting to be clear in the 200-400Hz range anyway haha.
Yes sidechain 🤦♂️
Hey Ryland! Love the content so much but I would like to ask about the floor design. what materials have been used to come up with the stage floor and the idea behind it
What I’ve done in the past is mid side. It was a rode nt5 and a warm audio fet47jr in figure 8 pattern. The vet channel is duplicated panned and flip the polarity. Aimed at the pa and I mix that in with stage mics. I use the snare or smaart to align all the mics. Lately I’ve been running the crowd mics in a verb to add texture. Then I turn the whole thing up until it feels like an effect. Not overpowering but it’s there. I like to use the ones aimed at the pa to help fill in the information that was taken out in the board mix. It’s not amazing but it works for me.
Cool tips! I’ll have to give em a try sometime. Thanks Micah.
I couldn't do my post show remixes without audience mics. I always use a snare hit for alignment.
I have the same setup, can’t beat the c2s for audience mics!! Ryland’s We need a video on your p16 setup!!
Nice! Hmmmm I can't say we really have too much crazy going on with our p16's but it might be interesting to some.
I think I like the AT best, but the stereo pair sounds the best. Maybe it’s placement of where those for the stereo pair.
Nice video ... And you are right --> we use this too often for the IEMs - this give our artist a much better feeling. - The last thing why I like this --> special when you make prof music/live music. video for your bands.
Thanks for the information, very helpful. We have a church that is outdoors. Every Sunday we set up and take down in the City park. Any suggestions from anyone on which mics and/or locations for mics to pick up our crowd? I have tried 2 Shure 58s, just because I have them, they were not great.
Any suggestions or comments would be great.
I’m hoping I can come up with sound absorption ideas that work and look nice for other church’s soon
I feel like your mix with the crowd mics brough an already good mix to a great mix! What are some things you did to make your livestream mix to be good even without the crowd mics? We currently just switched to an sq5 looking to improve our livestream
Awesome
I never thought about audience mics for in ears so musicians/singers don't have to use one earphone side!!!! I record a lot of Jazz bands and sometimes worship bands I always make room mics. When I mix the session I wait to the band get people engaged to add in the real time feeling. I eq all low end out, play with midrange, be careful with highs then use compression to make it aggressive in a buss then parallel blend!!!
Cool ❤
Hi! Could anyone explain to me why we need to put our mic’s on the mixing booth/FOH mixing station? Sorry if this has been explained before
Would’ve loved to see the SE8 in the mic shootout!
Wish I had some to test, that'd be cool.
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been saying this since covid
That female singing at the end is touching
Are your room lights on dmx or on a manual dimmer?
DMX
C2's work fine wouldn't use for guitars SM81 better there.
The c2. Reds a de-esser lol
25$ does the job...
Agreed :)