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@allamhouse help. My audio goes out on my console 15.16 and that's where the audio is patched. How do I get just the live mix to go to the usb at the back instead of the entire post fade mix. Help
I watched a lot of tutorials with this Board and pretty much understand but in this presentation you simply THE BEST! The way when you do "QUICK RECAP" where you review what you did is GENIUS! I can say even someone who is new in this field will understand and can follow through your teachings.
Wow, thanks for the amazing feedback. Let me know if you have any other questions. If you want to see one final change I've made feel free to check out this video. ua-cam.com/video/9abR8wv4a9c/v-deo.html
Thank You AGAIN !! I don't mean to be a nag. But now you gave me pretty much all I have questions for. I know I'll be watching it over and over again to catch some things I might have missed. But Yes. It does answer what I need.
@@AllamHouse I wasn't planning on needing any help this quick. And really doesn't have anything to do with the Live stream. BUT.. We just made the jump from floor monitors to earbuds. In the must part it's going ok. Still needs a little tweaking. But the problem is, Our Pastor has never been on his own monitor. I just mixed him into the floors, and not that much. So now he's just on the Mains, BUT he's not coming out of mains ANY MORE !! He's coming across the Live stream fine. I can't figure it out ??
My guess is you removed him from the Main LR Bus. Just select the pastor channel, and go to the left of the screen and find the button that says "Main LR BUS" and make sure it is lit up orange. This is the magic button to get the audio back into the main mix.
@@AllamHouse and again. You were right on. I don't even remember turning it off. But, AGAIN Thank You. Didn't you, at one time send me a link/page that I could send you questions without tying up the UA-cam posts ?? May be easier then filling this up. Unless you think that what we talk about may help others. I'm open for either
The comment section is ok, but I don't know how deep people go hunting through conversations. You can always reach me outside of YT by filling out the contact card on my website. sound.allamhouse.com
What a blessing. I'm trying to set up a scene from scratch for the first time after using a pre-set scene for several years. It is so different managing a system, while still understanding it, versus doing it all yourself from the ground up. You have been instrumental in helping me accomplish a years long goal. Thank you!
i watches this video more than 10 times. Everytime i learned smthing new. This video is so compact of lot of tricks hand tipps. Thanks again ang again!!!
Thanks for the encouragement. If you need to route this out USB, this video here is the companion that walks you through that setup. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
I was totally out of world that why my live stream is not giving me panned as the stereo output. Finally thanks to you bro. You solved it God bless you more and more.
@@AllamHouse WHEN I MIX FOR LIVESTREAM FROM BUS MIX AND RAISE THE LEVEL OF DRUM KICK IT EATS OFF EITHER THE FX OF VOCALS OR VOCALS. BUT IF I LESSEN TO LEVEL OF DRUM KICK I GET A WEAK SIGNAL OF KICK. WHAT TO DO ???
This is an interesting situation. I would have to look at exactly what you are doing and what the outcome is, but my initial guess is that your kick is just taking up a lot more room in your mix and this is creating an effect of the vocal (or vocal FX) being softer. I personally build my broadcast mix, then turn my kick and bass down all the way and blend them back in to taste. They can quickly overrun your mix and it is near impossible to properly mix them (while mixing the house as well) if you are in the same room as your house mix with subs banging away at you.
@@AllamHouse Thanks for the awesome advice. God bless you more. Can you please send me your whatsapp number so i can send you the pics or the mix scene from my x 32
The best way to start a conversation outside of UA-cam is to go to the contact card on my website and fill it out. That will send an email directly to me and we can communicate that way.
All I can say is...WOW!!! That video was exactly what I've been searching for. Thank you sooooo much. I was already using a MixBus to send out to our ATEM Mini Pro, but you helped so much with how I can EQ and set limiters on my external recording mix. Thanks again, and God bless!!
DUDE.... YESS!! Ty so much for this in-depth tutorial! I am in the process of bringing together my X32 rack mount and ATEM Mini; this totally gives me some direction. Currently running X32 audio out of Aux 6 into the ATEM, , but I have Ableton live on another computer (coming into X32) and would prefer to run everything off 1 computer. Can’t wait to work on it tmrw. Cheers!
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad it helped you get all setup. If you want to see the full details of my scene, I have a playlist here that goes through the different groups and you might find them helpful. ua-cam.com/play/PLsW5UVUiB1ry8bnPJ5q8fR93KHW2TPKpg.html
This was AWESOME... I am tech director at a a small church that is dealing with just this problem! We consulted with a larger church in our area and were encouraged to look into the X32 and a Dante card to run a separate mix. What I like about your video is that it does a good dive into what an X32 can do if you know what you're doing. Gives us much to consider (and keep researching). Thanks!!
This is great, thanks for the encouragement. This console really is amazing for the price point. Dante is nice and can offer many great opportunities as your needs and team grow. If you are like my church you only have one qualified technician to mix on any given Sunday so moving to Dante to use a DAW or additional board still requires additional volunteers which we don’t have. There are a few solutions (this setup being one of them) to help get a solid mix for your stream without needing ore volunteers. Let me know if you have additional questions... I’m happy to help.
I was looking at another board, the new Allen and Heath Cq series, and I am gona stick with the Behringer or the Midas. I just loved your in depth easy to follow style of demonstrating how to set this up. Going from analog boards to digital, it is a different setup process, so I am super grateful for this
Thanks for the feedback and I do think there is more support out here for the Behringer/Midas ecosystem. Let me know if you have other questions and I can point you to quality resources.
Thanks so much--this is very helpful! We just got an X32, and it's sitting in my living room while I set it up as much as I can before installing in my church tomorrow. I'm following your settings here for getting the livestream mix. The panning part was especially useful, as we have a single line array that's not in stereo, so from your video I learned how to pan everything for the livestream mix independently of the house. Thanks!
@@AllamHouse Thanks Dave, I appreciate your help! We have a mono setup in our church that consists of a single line-array of speakers with some subs. We have an external processor that does all the crossover and delays for the speakers. I set up our main LR mix to be summed to mono in a matrix bus and outputed to Ch 16 for the main mix, and I set up a link pair of buses post-fader as you described for one sound tech managing house mix and livestream. We have a few instruments going into the system in mono (acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano) that we'd like stereo in the livestream. I set these up as adjacent inputs (acoustic L, acoustic R), and I will change the input source to be the same for both channels. The pan is set differently for each of the channels, and we will set EQ to be a little different in each channel. My understanding is that one channel should be delayed slightly (14 ms or so?). What's the best way to do this? Would this be okay if both channels (acoustic L and R) are going to the main mix that'll get summed to mono for the house speakers, or should we mute one of the channels for the house speakers? Thanks again for your help!
You sir have taken the mix to the next level... quite impressive. In your scenario, when doubling up on a mono input and doing the 'delay trick', I would only send the mono signal to the house (mono mix) and then send both signals, properly panned to the stream mix (stereo mix). Because the same performance is being doubled, there is not enough differentiation for the mono mix to process it well and it will generally just create a muddy sound. I also do this for my monitors. My IEM's are mono so I tell everyone to only use the first acoustic channel so they get an accurate tempo in their head.
Hey, thanks for this amazing and helpful video! I would have loved to not only see the changes you made but also hear it or a “before and after” comparison, so that we can have a clearer imagination. Nevertheless this video is the answer to some problems I’m facing! Thx a lot. Much love from Germany🙏🏾🖤
If you want to dive-in deep to my settings, I have a playlist that has videos breaking down all of the settings I use. It is multiple videos (overview, drums, band, vocals, etc) and goes through with audio examples of each effect, EQ and Comp. Check it out here. ua-cam.com/play/PLsW5UVUiB1ry8bnPJ5q8fR93KHW2TPKpg.html&si=bd3civGcjtvzZuLe
Thank you so much. We have an X32 compact and are struggling to get a good live stream mix for the very reason you mentioned. We have one engineer trying to mix FOH and Live Stream. Since the focus is on the house, the live stream is struggling. This video is very helpful!
Great video! Just a thought, since you're using that limiter on your live stream mix, try setting the bus compressor to 1 1/2 to 1 with 100 ms attack time and threshold set to pull 6db at Max. It will smooth out what gets sent to the limiter and make your mix even fuller.
You have no idea how much you have helped me. I watched about 12 of your videos. I can’t lie my brain is fried. My church is finally making the transition to a digital board. I’m the one that handles the live streams. So I’m pretty much the only engineer. Thank you so much for taking your time to make these videos. God bless you abundantly.
This tutorial was the missing link to my church livestream mix. Implemented in service today with the exact same settings and the outcome is on point. Thanks a lot
Thank you for the detailed tutorial. I learned so much from this. We recently started a live stream and I’ve been struggling mixing front of house and stream. I plan to put this to use and hopefully increase the quality of our production.
Dude, your videos have really, REALLY helped us to up our game. Our livestream has been sounding better and better. We're just playing around and tweaking settings, fine-tuning for our set up. Thank you so much.
I’m glad you found the video helpful. Let me know if you have other questions. Also, if you’re looking for the best way to get your broadcast mix out of the console, check out this video here. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.htmlsi=nll4UAI2fvth0eeW
Great video! At 29:10 you mention the need to be careful not to accidentally touch the mix bus faders for your stream. This is especially important in order to avoid clipping the stream, since the limiter is inserted pre-fader. It would be nice to insert the limiter post-fader (so if you raise the fader, it just pushes into the limiter, instead of raising post-limiter and clipping your stream) but unfortunately I don't think that's possible; it seems like the only choices for insert position are pre-EQ and post-EQ, not post-fader -- and of course you'll almost certainly want post-EQ. The only 2 workarounds I know of are: 1. Change the output tap to pre-fader instead of the typical post-fader tap. That way, you know that the limiter (or compressor @ 100:1, if you want to avoid using up an FX slot) is absolutely the last thing before the physical output, and therefore you'll never accidentally clip the stream since there's no fader to accidentally push. 2. Run the fader at +10 instead of unity, again so that there's no chance of accidentally pushing it up. In this case, adjust the output gain of the limiter by -10 to compensate (to -11dB in your case). If using the compressor as a limiter, unfortunately the output gain doesn't go below zero, so set the threshold 10dB lower to compensate (and then adjust all channel sends by -10 as well, which makes them harder to use given the log scale). The only benefit over option 1 is if you want to "fade out" your stream using this fader; otherwise it's kind of pointless. But it would be super cool to make use of the fader in a pre-insert (or pre-compressor) manner, so that you can ride it as the program levels vary! Any ideas? An assignable knob (or MIDI controller) could be used to ride the input gain of the limiter, if it doesn't inflict zipper noise, but adjusting into the mastering compressor would be even better.
Yes, I actually do something like this now where I send my MixBUS to a Stereo Matrix which has the limiter on it and is setup as Pre Fader to not be susceptible to the fader movement. Here is the video that discusses that setup. ua-cam.com/video/9abR8wv4a9c/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse Brilliant! Have the output tapping the matrix pre-fader to ensure no accidental gain after the limiter, while keeping the bus fader to help ride the mix into the mastering chain (and fade out at the end of broadcast). 👍
For your need to ride the volume during an event you could assign a DCA to the MixBUS for volume control or you could use on e of the knobs in the assignable section to control that volume as well (if your DCAs are all used up).
Good video. Didn't have time to watch the whole thing so you may have suggested this but may i suggest that instead of using a mix buss to you web stream, to use busses to matrix. Use your busses for grouping instruments, and then send those to matrices to your outputs. Use 1 stereo pair for you house and another pair for your web stream so that way you maximize your busses. Then mix off your dca's so that when you make your mix level changes on your dca, you are making relational changes to all you mixes in one shot. This also frees up your stereo buss as another "matrix". I do this in all my mixing, but especially in my corporate events. May have to send a web stream, a house mix, a center fill, delays, record feed. By using good gain structure and good room tuning, you'll be able to get balance mixes to all points very quickly. Happy mixing.
Yeah, Matrix is a different approach and does provide great results. I have another video that covers setting up a matrix for your stream, but this specific video is the method my team uses in our church. I use buses in a different way and plan to go through my approach in an upcoming video. Thanks for the comment.
Dave thank you so much for all of your videos and especially for this one. I e been trying to clean up my live stream for our church. I’ve always been a strong advocate for streaming pre fade in an effort to have more control over the stream. But I really listened to this video and I’ll tell you I’m doing less work with just getting a good mix and making small adjustments to the house and allowing the stream mix to follow that. Blessings to you my friend and Happy New Year.
Great video! This completely changed my stream mix. We use Switcher studio for our video stream, between this mix setup and being able to connect the x32 directly to the iPad via a USB-B to lightning cable its made a night and day difference. Thanks!!
Hi @AllamHouse. I love the video. However, it seems that I cannot make the first two effects not affect the room mix. I unchecked the stereo bus button as shown at min 19:45, but I still can hear them in the room. Any ideas what might be the problem? Thank you
There are a few things to check. 1) Always start with muting the FX send to make sure it is not something else you think is the FX. 2) Make sure you don’t have the FX sent to a MixBUS or matrix that might be feeding into your mains or speakers. 3) Make sure you have the “Stereo Bus” button de-selected on the FX returns.
Thanks for the video. Had always wondered how to just have the stream through the headphones to monitor. Looks like got alot of setting up to do because noticed was quiet but the limiter setting has probably answered my question.. God bless and thank you for your video again
Very helpful- the matrixes on these boards are really flexible…….. i was curious about external inserts or even an external chain prior to stream- say a 500 series rack with a couple of modules- in some of the earlier digital boards we would take the headphone mix off the board and feed it into a headphone amp- or switcher for distribution to secondary monitor sets - today that could even be a analogue stereo out put for stream
The BUSes are where you can build your separate mixes as mentioned in this video. The BUS could be a mono mix to support a floor wedge, IEM mix, or like this video a live stream mix. You could then route this mix to an output to a live stream device or to a Matrix where many people send to other locations within their facility (cry room, nursery, lobby, etc). In terms of the actual routing, I have a number of videos on routing depending on where you are sending your mix. A common companion video to this one is listed below and shows how to route your mix out the X-USB slot on the back of the console and send into a streaming device across USB. Others will route out XLRs on the back of the console or even the AUX out (1/4" slots) on the back of the console. I hope this gets you going in the right direction. Let me know if you have more questions. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse thanks for the reply and the link i just saved it- so it sounds like all the inputs and all the outputs are assignable - so you can assign outputs of an XLR to a 2 mix on a buss and then plug that into the back of a piece of hardware???
There are a lot of options for sure. The board does offer standard AUX outputs (and returns) that could be used like a standard analog console with outboard gear. You can do it digitally with gear in a DAW on a computer and even further you can route the same mix (FOH, stream, other) out multiple outputs to send to different places to meet your needs. If you want specific help, I’m happy to do consulting. Just fill out the contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com.
@@AllamHouse The one thing that concerns me is the clocking on the board phase alignments of multiple channels with some of The front of house mixes I’ve heard off of these boards the more channels that you start to stack the loss of dimension seems pretty striking whereas when you have a single speaker or say a singer with a piano there’s tremendous clarity
Of course I’m wondering is that a clocking issue, is that a converter issue, is it latency as you start to add digital processing which by nature creates latency
Dave, God has truly blessed me to find out about your channel! This is just what I needed. I've gained more from you than I have the last 6 years in school. I just graduated last April with a BS in Digital Audio Technology but no one taught us Live Sound. Do you have any tutorials for getting the best sound in house from the Pastors mic. I use a DPA headset with IEM. And Sennheiser wireless transmitter and reciever. When he sings there is so much distortion
Thanks for the encouragement, I'm glad you are learning. It sounds like the gain is too high in general. It is probably fine when he is speaking, but when he is singing it jumps up into digital clipping. Do a soundcheck with him and set his gain to -10 (on the meter) when he is singing. This will make his speaking seem a little soft, but you can use compression to not only control his overall volume, but raise his speaking parts. You might find you want to use a second compressor inserted like I do for my singing vocals. Stacking compressors allows you to not overuse one compressor, but let each one work a little and it makes everything sound natural. This video here runs through my vocal settings in depth on my pastors mic and my other vocal mics as well. ua-cam.com/video/E5xyJXaliMg/v-deo.html
great video. another way is to buy an inexpensive stereo audio interface. Behringer makes one for around a hundred bucks. Send your aux outs to it then usb, either straight to your streaming computer or switcher. Also has a zero latency headphone out so you can have a set of cans plug into it and monitor it that way.
Yes, you can do it on the older version, but the custom routing that many people do to send this out USB is not capable on firmware older than 4.0. This video explains how to do this to route out USB and into a streaming device. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
This was a very detailed presentation, but as a novice to the X32 mixer, I have a few questions. Now that a stream mix is built how do I get it to the streaming computer? Is mix Buses 11 and 12 automatically outputted to output 11 and 12 or does a routing need to be built to do this? If the output is on output 11 and 13 what kind of cable do I need with 2 XRL to connect on the mixer end and 1 usb on the computer end? I would also assume that routing can be set up to send these buses to the X32 USB 2.0 card interface. Once a stream mix is set up, if one week one of the singers or instruments is not in the band, does muting that input channel mute the channel for both the house and stream? If an additional instrument is added is that just a modification of the original sends on faders that set up the stream mix bus?
Most streaming devices only receive on USB 1/2 so this video discusses sending your mix to USB 1/2. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html If you need to make changes in your mix from week to week you can select the stream BUS, click ‘sends on fader’ and then you can mute the channel or turn it all the way down. Muting is the easier option so your settings are preserved for future weeks. Similar adjustments would be made for any instruments added in the future as well.
Thank you for your video. We will try to implement it. I have been looking for this kind of video because in our streaming video to FB and UA-cam we can NOT hear the effects we give to the singers. We do not have a band in our church so our music is very simple. We only want to hear the effects on singer's mic we put on the house mix to our streaming mix. We use Bus 7 but it is not stereo therefore I learned from this video. I learned a lot of things from your videos. I am trying to watch them all because your explanations are simple.
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm glad you are finding value and learning from the videos. If you come up with other questions feel free to post them in the comments and I'm happy to answer and/or make a video out of the answer.
At my local church, I turned our headphones monitor source off so when I solo a mic or instruments, I don't hear other sound sources when I put the headphones on with no solo selections turn on
That is an interesting approach, but I kind of like it so you don't have any "default" mix coming through and this way you know if you hear something it is because you solo'd a mix or instrument. I do find that sometimes my engineers put the headphones on and think thye are listening to their cahnges, but they forgot to hit solo. Thanks for the tip.
Great tutorial as always! How would I go about routing just the MixBus I am using for livestream to the USB card? I have look at a lot of videos but still have not been able to figure it out. Thanks for the Fxs answer you gave me. Thanks to you I was able to fix it.
Hi, how can I get you to come a update my sound mix at my church. This so new to us, we are lost in doing the sound for streaming. However this is very helpful, our sound is so thin. Very technical, will try.
I just wanna say thank you. I'm brand new to mixing....and this is exactly what I was looking for, and I've seen a lot of videos so far to improve our stream "room". If there is one area I'm not sure about is how you getting an L/R instrument, for example your acoustic guitar. Are you getting L/R signals 29:40 as different inputs or are you somehow duplicating one input and assigning them to 2 channels.
You are exactly right, I am doubling the input into two channels. I actually cover this setup and processing in this video here ua-cam.com/video/3xnQFr0XD0I/v-deo.html
Watched your videos a million times adjusting and tweaking my mix. My question is where can I watch a live stream from your church to compare my live stream?
That’s great. I’m at Area 10 Faith Community. Here is a link to a recent stream. Keep in mind we have 4 bands and 5 sound engineers so our mix will be slightly different from week to week. Also, everyone is volunteering so we don’t have paid professionals in any spot. ua-cam.com/video/d34q8pKBK68/v-deo.html
Love the video and I plan on going in this Saturday to set up….BUT I was waiting for you to show how to go into live stream software. We are using OBS. Do you have a video that I can follow from here to get it to the computer? I will be using USB. I’m getting excited because are live stream sounds like trash and I think this is it finally! Thank you again
That is exciting for sure. This video works in partnership with the other video we started our discussions on. This one talks about a full scene build. The other one (posted below) shows you the routing of getting that signal to go out USB 1/2 which is what your OBS software will receive. If you have questions about OBS I'm happy to assist, but I figure there are a number of videos out there that will walk you through adding an "Audio Input Source" into OBS and selecting the X-USB option. Routing Video: ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse UPDATE: So the set up went great! We got a much better sound going to the stream. There is some ground noise going on but it’s not too bad. I would like to clean that up. Any tips? We did run into a problem maybe you can also help. The church uses a windows laptop. Fairly new. OBS will not recognize the M32 interface in audio settings. But when I hook up my old MacBook, it will detect it on OBS. Only problem is for whatever reason, stream is real laggy on the Mac but fine on the windows. 🤷🏽♂️ Any idea why the windows OBS is not recognizing the m32? Software version for OBS is the same on both laptops. Thanks again!
That’s great news. The Windows computers do require a driver to be installed. Go to the Behringer website, search for x32 and scroll down the right to find ‘software’ and then you can download the X-ISB driver. For the ground noise, that is most likely coming from an instrument (bass guitar and keyboards are common offenders). Check your DI boxes to make sure the ground is lifted. Also, you can just mute all inputs and see if it is still happening and if not, then unmute channels one by one until you find the issue.
Hello really learn a lot my questions is after the complete setup how will you live stream it live on Sunday so the viewers watching at home on obs live see and hear that great sound thanks 🙏
Thanks for the encouragement. Once you have built your mix you have an opportunity to route it wherever you need it to go for your streaming setup. Some groups route to AUX outs to send to an ATEM mini, my church uses XLR outs to go into an ATEM HD TV Studio and still others will send directly into a computer across USB to have software like OBS or VMix include it to your stream. This video here discusses the USB settings. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
Thank you so much this video was exactly what I was looking for. I have a question how do I route the live stream mix bus to my live streaming software (OBS) using the USB on back of the console?
I'm glad you found this helpful. This video explains the three common ways to get your stream mix from the console to your streaming device. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.html
I am trying to set up my system like this. Everything seem to be working except that the fader for my buss doesn't control the output for the live stream. I can't figure our what I missed.
Awesome tips here, thanks! I tried this today, but ran into a problem: as I linked bus 11 and 12 for the stream, the sound disappeared from bus 11, but when I unlinked them the sound was back on bus 11. What could be the problem? Not in front of the board now as it is at work...
My in initial guess is panning. When you link 11/12 they immediately become panned hard left and hard right. If you have audio panned all the way to the right you will only hear it in bus 12 and not in bus 11. If you hear NO audio at all when you link, then you probably have the pair setup as a post-fader mix and if the fader for the house is down (or muted) it will not be heard until the volume of the house is brought up.
Nicely and comprehensively explained! Question: I am prone to clipping on the liked mix bus pair I use for the stream, even though all the sends to that bus are at 0dB or below and are post-fader sends. The sum of the same channels in the main stereo L&R busses is nowhere near clipping according to the meters. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
I would make sure your EQ, Comp and any limiting are turned off on your stream BUS. Check your signal level and then add back each one, one at a time and see what effect they are having on the output level.
Thank you so much for the fast response to my comment. The only reason that I commented was because you started with two blank channels and never actually set up an input. I think our church board is using a usb connection for the live stream, so now I know what to look for and how to correct our volume for the feed. I have another very important question if you don't mind answering. Right now our church only has three singers that sing along with a backing track, no band. My question is: How do I get the backing track to be sent to 1 or two monitors so the singers can hear it better without having to turn up the mains too high. I was thinking about using the link connections on the back of the left and right mains and hard wiring them directly to the xlr in of the monitors but I would rather see if there was a way to rout the mains to two monitors on the x32 instead. Your help would be great!
You will use a MixBUS to build a mix to send to a monitor (wedge). By default, the XLR outputs are mapped to the MixBUS (Bus 1 -> XLR 1, Bus 2 -> XLR 2, etc) so you can connect the desired output to your monitor. This video talks about building sending inputs into your monitors ua-cam.com/video/zwYcNieISF4/v-deo.html
Thanks so much for the live stream info works great. My current issue we have a vocalist which accentuates plosives a lot. I cannot find the right frequency to cut. Any Ideas?
This video was very helpful and I am excited to try this technique at our church. Our mix bus for livestream has always been post-eq (I think?) for the longest time but setting up post-fader makes so much sense. Question though... I use a bunch of DCAs to control various groupings in the house, will this affect the livestream mix as well? I hoping it will because it will be very convenient to be able to pull back the band DCA while the lead vocalist prays over and instrumental transition.
Yes, your DCAs effectively control the fader level of the inputs it is linked to, so in a Post Fader livestream setup the DCAs will impact the livestream volumes.
I put most of these tips into place on our M32R for services today and got lots of compliments. The FX in the livestream were exactly what we were missing. Thank you! In fact, I got so excited about getting the FX right that I have missed setting up the most important part: setting up the mixbus to post-fader! For now, I'm pretty sure the mixbus is still set at Sub Group. When the full band is going, the mixbus is loud and getting pretty deep into the orange on the meters. However, when it's just the pastor, I barely get two bars of green. Therefore, I need to adjust the mixbus fader during that transition from worship music to message and then again from message to closing music. Will this fix itself once I get it set to post fader? Will adding the limiter possibly help with this? I would rather not have to make this adjustment, but if I need to I will assign it to a DCA.
Go ahead and make that change to be a Post-Fader mix and the. You will have the flame in illy to turn up the pastors mic and make the fine adjustments to your stream mix. The limiter will also assist in getting the soft levels up while keeping the loud parts from clipping. I have my stream audio (music portion) just below clipping at -1 before it goes to our stream. I cover those settings in that video so you can go back and check over them using the quick links in the description.
First, thanks, this is exactly what we're been looking for at our church. However, I'm a newbie, and the guy that set all this up is absent these days. Now that I've got this all set up, I'm assuming I want to send MIX BUS 11 & 12, and only 11&12, to the USB Card (our USB card goes to our vMix computer for streaming). I have no idea how to do this in routing. Can you give a quick instruction, or tell me where to go to get the info for that?
You are exactly right. This video covers the three ways to get your mix out of the console and into a streaming location. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.html
If you have an ATEM HD that takes XLRs you can just connect to the output on the back of the console and run to your switcher. If you have an ATEM mini you will connect with a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable and go from AUX 1/2 out on the console to your ATEM. If this is the scenario you will also go into Routing > AUX and set your stream bus to go out AUX 1/2
Helped me learn our board a bit better! One thing I'm looking for is how to mute a channel in the aux send (our stream send) when I mute it in the house. Can it be done?
If you mute the channel it will be muted everywhere. I am not sure of a way to mute it only in the stream while keeping it live in the house... while mixing. You might be able to use the Assign Section to setup something that mutes only in the stream, but I've never jumped into doing that.
@@AllamHouse Right now, when I mute a channel in the house, it does not mute on the aux send. It’s creating some sound issues and echoing on the stream send. Our Lecturn mic is extremely sensitive.
So, I always run my stream mix as a Post-Fader mix which allows you to only deal with the house mix and the stream will follow. If you are setup in a Pre-Fader mix, then you will in fact have to mute in both places. If you do not want to make any large changes, you can use a DCA to control both and should allow you to mute both places with one mute button.
Thank you for the video! I've been coming back to this again and again. So if I want to add room mics to the livestream mix, and obviously not in the main mix, should I just unclick the "stereo bus" button as I would do for the effects?
I can, but it is a very simple setup. Our cameras and audio go into a Blackmagic (BM) video switcher. This goes across an AJA-Utap device to convert SDI->USB. OBS has the BM device setup as an audio input and a video input. The only additional thing we have is our lower -third lyrics coming across NDI from Pro7 into OBS as well.
So, how do I send only my paired bus mix out of usb? It’s routed correctly, but I’m also getting my main L/R mix out of it as well. I simply want the bus send going out. Did you mention that in this or another video? Thanks for any help! Daniel
Yes, this video covered the setup, but then you have to decide how you want to route the signal. You can route through XLR, or 1/4” AUX out, or through the X-USB slot which I cover in the following video. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
I´ve tried inserting a Combinator Multiband Efx on the stereo linked buses designated for streaming and can´t hear anything on headphones when soloing Stream buses. Already tried in the "Monitor Solo Options" using the "Mixbus Solo AFL" on & off. I see signal on the effect but nothing on the headphones. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards,
I would start by in-inserting the Combinator and seeing if the solo feature works correctly. Usually, I recommend going into the monitor settings view window and making sure you have Exclusive last checked and solo MixBUS AFL checked as well. If you have the solo feature working now, add your combinator back in and leave all the settings at the default. Make sure the solo works before adjusting the settings. If you need further one on one support, feel free to catch me on my contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com.
Great video, needed that. Please what device or cable can I use to get audio from X32 into my computer for streaming using the mixbus or AUX. I make use of a video engine software called VMIX. Thanks
I have another video that walks through the routing to use the USB output on the back of the console. Requires and USB A to USB B cable. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
Great vid, clears a lot of clutter! Thanks. Pls just an unrelated question: can you help with a couple links to routers that can work with the x32. Been reading a number of review about people having trouble with some routers and just thought to find out which one you've been successful with. I want to setup to control remotely as well. Thanks
We have two different routers we use in our worship center. The one that is dedicated for the soundboard is a basic Netgear router we picked up for about $40. It isn't anything fancy and only needs to offer connectivity for phones and tablets that are controlling the console. This router does NOT get internet access and is only an internal LAN. We also have a TP-Link router (TP-Link AC1750) that we use for all of our live streaming and NDI needs. This network does have internet and all devices are hardwired except for our courtesy monitor that is running across wifi. Also, the network is not used for anything outside of streaming so the bandwidth is dedicated to the stream.
You have been greatly helpful, I appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge. I have a question: so, as we moved into a hybrid reality for Bible study, we just purchased a shure cvo overhead, so that people can hear in house discussion. Now, it’s gotten a little feedback-y because of gain. As we don’t really use the overhead for worship, is there a way to send it only to the bus mix and not master FOH? Or, do you have any suggestions for eq-omg overheads for auditorium/sanctuary? Thanks!
A crowd mix should pretty much have everything below 400hz rolled out and the rest will depend on the amount of PA and other things coming into it. You will have to crank the gain since the subjects tend to be far away. As for keeping it out of the mains, just simply select the channel and push the ‘stereo bus’ button next to the screen so it is NOT orange. This will make sure it doesn’t go to the mains and then you can send it into your stream or monitors. I cover these concepts in this video about monitors. ua-cam.com/video/zwYcNieISF4/v-deo.html
Here are a few questions I have as you start the troubleshooting. Did you setup a stereo pair of buses for your stream mix? How did you send your stream to your computer? Are your headphones plugged into the console or the streaming computer?
@@AllamHouse Yep, just like you said. I send the stream to SlingStudio with an Aux out (1/4' to 3.5mm) Monitoring is fine (from the console) but on facebook it only plays on the right.
Each AUX out cable is a mono output. You would need to route your stereo stream out the two AUX outs which would allow you to connect a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable. Keep in mind when you plug the headphones into the board and solo the mix, even a mono mix will be heard in both ears. Also, most 1/8” inputs on a computer will be designed for a microphone which is a mono input and regardless of the stereo cable you plug in, you will only get a mono signal. Many people end up routing their mix across the X-USB card and use the USB input to get a stereo mix into your computer. This video talks through the setup and routing to get your mix across USB. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html This video is the widely used design for building the mix that would be sent across the USB. ua-cam.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/v-deo.html
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Please make sure you save your scene on the console BEFORE you update firmware. Your current settings per channel will be cleared. You can reload your scene after update, but make sure to save your scene before updating.
@allamhouse help. My audio goes out on my console 15.16 and that's where the audio is patched. How do I get just the live mix to go to the usb at the back instead of the entire post fade mix. Help
You talk like if you designed the console, you understand and use every single detail of it!!
Thanks for the encouragement. I wish I was involved in the build, but just spent a lot of time on the console.
I watched a lot of tutorials with this Board and pretty much understand but in this presentation you simply THE BEST! The way when you do "QUICK RECAP" where you review what you did is GENIUS! I can say even someone who is new in this field will understand and can follow through your teachings.
Wow, thanks for the amazing feedback. Let me know if you have any other questions. If you want to see one final change I've made feel free to check out this video. ua-cam.com/video/9abR8wv4a9c/v-deo.html
Thank You AGAIN !! I don't mean to be a nag. But now you gave me pretty much all I have questions for. I know I'll be watching it over and over again to catch some things I might have missed. But Yes. It does answer what I need.
I'm glad you are on the right path. Let me know when other questions come up.
@@AllamHouse I wasn't planning on needing any help this quick. And really doesn't have anything to do with the Live stream. BUT.. We just made the jump from floor monitors to earbuds. In the must part it's going ok. Still needs a little tweaking. But the problem is, Our Pastor has never been on his own monitor. I just mixed him into the floors, and not that much. So now he's just on the Mains, BUT he's not coming out of mains ANY MORE !! He's coming across the Live stream fine. I can't figure it out ??
My guess is you removed him from the Main LR Bus. Just select the pastor channel, and go to the left of the screen and find the button that says "Main LR BUS" and make sure it is lit up orange. This is the magic button to get the audio back into the main mix.
@@AllamHouse and again. You were right on. I don't even remember turning it off. But, AGAIN Thank You. Didn't you, at one time send me a link/page that I could send you questions without tying up the UA-cam posts ?? May be easier then filling this up. Unless you think that what we talk about may help others. I'm open for either
The comment section is ok, but I don't know how deep people go hunting through conversations. You can always reach me outside of YT by filling out the contact card on my website. sound.allamhouse.com
This is the by faaarr best Tutorial i ve seen in YT yet. Well organized well explained!!! Thanks a LOTTTTTTT!!!!
Thanks for the encouragement.
What a blessing. I'm trying to set up a scene from scratch for the first time after using a pre-set scene for several years. It is so different managing a system, while still understanding it, versus doing it all yourself from the ground up. You have been instrumental in helping me accomplish a years long goal. Thank you!
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad you’ve found the videos helpful. Feel free to post any questions you might have along your way.
Glad I found your channel. Feel like I learned a semester's worth of material!
Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have any questions.
i watches this video more than 10 times. Everytime i learned smthing new. This video is so compact of lot of tricks hand tipps. Thanks again ang again!!!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Pierwszy film szkoleniowy, który krok po kroku wytłumaczył mi jak ustawić parametry pod "live stream". Bardzo dziękuję. Świetna robota 👍
Thanks for the encouragement. If you need to route this out USB, this video here is the companion that walks you through that setup. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
I was totally out of world that why my live stream is not giving me panned as the stereo output. Finally thanks to you bro. You solved it God bless you more and more.
I'm glad you grabbed a helpful piece of knowledge. Let me know if you have other questions.
@@AllamHouse WHEN I MIX FOR LIVESTREAM FROM BUS MIX AND RAISE THE LEVEL OF DRUM KICK IT EATS OFF EITHER THE FX OF VOCALS OR VOCALS. BUT IF I LESSEN TO LEVEL OF DRUM KICK I GET A WEAK SIGNAL OF KICK. WHAT TO DO ???
This is an interesting situation. I would have to look at exactly what you are doing and what the outcome is, but my initial guess is that your kick is just taking up a lot more room in your mix and this is creating an effect of the vocal (or vocal FX) being softer. I personally build my broadcast mix, then turn my kick and bass down all the way and blend them back in to taste. They can quickly overrun your mix and it is near impossible to properly mix them (while mixing the house as well) if you are in the same room as your house mix with subs banging away at you.
@@AllamHouse Thanks for the awesome advice. God bless you more. Can you please send me your whatsapp number so i can send you the pics or the mix scene from my x 32
The best way to start a conversation outside of UA-cam is to go to the contact card on my website and fill it out. That will send an email directly to me and we can communicate that way.
All I can say is...WOW!!! That video was exactly what I've been searching for. Thank you sooooo much. I was already using a MixBus to send out to our ATEM Mini Pro, but you helped so much with how I can EQ and set limiters on my external recording mix. Thanks again, and God bless!!
Awesome. Glad it was helpful.
DUDE.... YESS!! Ty so much for this in-depth tutorial! I am in the process of bringing together my X32 rack mount and ATEM Mini; this totally gives me some direction. Currently running X32 audio out of Aux 6 into the ATEM, , but I have Ableton live on another computer (coming into X32) and would prefer to run everything off 1 computer. Can’t wait to work on it tmrw. Cheers!
A year later appreciating the knowledge thank you sir
Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have any questions.
Dave, Superlative content and production. I set up the X32 according to your videos. Everything works now. I can't thank you enough for your efforts.
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad it helped you get all setup. If you want to see the full details of my scene, I have a playlist here that goes through the different groups and you might find them helpful. ua-cam.com/play/PLsW5UVUiB1ry8bnPJ5q8fR93KHW2TPKpg.html
@@AllamHouse I'll check them out. Thanks for the heads-up.
What part did I like best?… All of it!!! Most helpful. Thank you so much. The Lord bless you indeed!
Wow, thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have other questions.
This was AWESOME... I am tech director at a a small church that is dealing with just this problem! We consulted with a larger church in our area and were encouraged to look into the X32 and a Dante card to run a separate mix. What I like about your video is that it does a good dive into what an X32 can do if you know what you're doing. Gives us much to consider (and keep researching). Thanks!!
This is great, thanks for the encouragement. This console really is amazing for the price point. Dante is nice and can offer many great opportunities as your needs and team grow. If you are like my church you only have one qualified technician to mix on any given Sunday so moving to Dante to use a DAW or additional board still requires additional volunteers which we don’t have. There are a few solutions (this setup being one of them) to help get a solid mix for your stream without needing ore volunteers. Let me know if you have additional questions... I’m happy to help.
I was looking at another board, the new Allen and Heath Cq series, and I am gona stick with the Behringer or the Midas. I just loved your in depth easy to follow style of demonstrating how to set this up. Going from analog boards to digital, it is a different setup process, so I am super grateful for this
Thanks for the feedback and I do think there is more support out here for the Behringer/Midas ecosystem. Let me know if you have other questions and I can point you to quality resources.
Thanks so much--this is very helpful! We just got an X32, and it's sitting in my living room while I set it up as much as I can before installing in my church tomorrow. I'm following your settings here for getting the livestream mix. The panning part was especially useful, as we have a single line array that's not in stereo, so from your video I learned how to pan everything for the livestream mix independently of the house. Thanks!
That’s awesome. You’re gonna enjoy the console. Be sure to ask questions as I’m happy to help.
@@AllamHouse Thanks Dave, I appreciate your help! We have a mono setup in our church that consists of a single line-array of speakers with some subs. We have an external processor that does all the crossover and delays for the speakers. I set up our main LR mix to be summed to mono in a matrix bus and outputed to Ch 16 for the main mix, and I set up a link pair of buses post-fader as you described for one sound tech managing house mix and livestream. We have a few instruments going into the system in mono (acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano) that we'd like stereo in the livestream. I set these up as adjacent inputs (acoustic L, acoustic R), and I will change the input source to be the same for both channels. The pan is set differently for each of the channels, and we will set EQ to be a little different in each channel. My understanding is that one channel should be delayed slightly (14 ms or so?). What's the best way to do this? Would this be okay if both channels (acoustic L and R) are going to the main mix that'll get summed to mono for the house speakers, or should we mute one of the channels for the house speakers? Thanks again for your help!
You sir have taken the mix to the next level... quite impressive. In your scenario, when doubling up on a mono input and doing the 'delay trick', I would only send the mono signal to the house (mono mix) and then send both signals, properly panned to the stream mix (stereo mix). Because the same performance is being doubled, there is not enough differentiation for the mono mix to process it well and it will generally just create a muddy sound. I also do this for my monitors. My IEM's are mono so I tell everyone to only use the first acoustic channel so they get an accurate tempo in their head.
Hey, thanks for this amazing and helpful video! I would have loved to not only see the changes you made but also hear it or a “before and after” comparison, so that we can have a clearer imagination. Nevertheless this video is the answer to some problems I’m facing! Thx a lot.
Much love from Germany🙏🏾🖤
If you want to dive-in deep to my settings, I have a playlist that has videos breaking down all of the settings I use. It is multiple videos (overview, drums, band, vocals, etc) and goes through with audio examples of each effect, EQ and Comp. Check it out here. ua-cam.com/play/PLsW5UVUiB1ry8bnPJ5q8fR93KHW2TPKpg.html&si=bd3civGcjtvzZuLe
Thank you so much. We have an X32 compact and are struggling to get a good live stream mix for the very reason you mentioned. We have one engineer trying to mix FOH and Live Stream. Since the focus is on the house, the live stream is struggling. This video is very helpful!
Thanks for the encouragement. Keep trying, keep evaluating, keep learning, keep getting better. You can do it.
Great video! Just a thought, since you're using that limiter on your live stream mix, try setting the bus compressor to 1 1/2 to 1 with 100 ms attack time and threshold set to pull 6db at Max. It will smooth out what gets sent to the limiter and make your mix even fuller.
Thanks. I’ll give it a shot next time I’m up to mix and see how it reacts.
You have no idea how much you have helped me. I watched about 12 of your videos. I can’t lie my brain is fried. My church is finally making the transition to a digital board. I’m the one that handles the live streams. So I’m pretty much the only engineer. Thank you so much for taking your time to make these videos. God bless you abundantly.
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad you have found the videos helpful.
Another well done video. Thank you for taking the time to lay this out!!! That song sounds fantastic as well! would love to hear all of it!!!
Thanks for the encouragement.
This tutorial was the missing link to my church livestream mix. Implemented in service today with the exact same settings and the outcome is on point. Thanks a lot
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad you found it helpful.
So so many thank bro ! it still working ! wish you so much happy in life
I’m glad you found it helpful. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thanks for all the work you do on your videos. They have really helped enhance our live stream audio quality.
Thank you for the detailed tutorial. I learned so much from this. We recently started a live stream and I’ve been struggling mixing front of house and stream. I plan to put this to use and hopefully increase the quality of our production.
This will make your role so much easier going forward.
Hey Dave, thanks again for this in depth video. Again, this was exactly what I needed for church. You got the heart of the teacher man.
Dude, your videos have really, REALLY helped us to up our game. Our livestream has been sounding better and better. We're just playing around and tweaking settings, fine-tuning for our set up. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the feedback.
I settled for a mono mix for my live stream thinking I cannot pan the instruments to the mix busses. Thank you!
Glad this video helped.
Another great video. Thanks! Good take on setting the room space for the stream mix with a verb/verb + delay combo. I like it!
Thank you for spending the time to teach this. It is invaluable.
Glad it is helpful.
Incredibly helpful! Testing it out tomorrow!
That’s great. Thanks for the feedback.
The whole video was so helpful for my church thank you very much God bless you
Thanks for the encouragement.
This was an EPIC tutorial @AllamHouse. Thank you a gazillion times.
I’m glad it was useful.
Thank you. Exactly what I wanted to do to unclutter our live mixing.
I’m glad you found the video helpful. Let me know if you have other questions. Also, if you’re looking for the best way to get your broadcast mix out of the console, check out this video here. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.htmlsi=nll4UAI2fvth0eeW
Great video! At 29:10 you mention the need to be careful not to accidentally touch the mix bus faders for your stream. This is especially important in order to avoid clipping the stream, since the limiter is inserted pre-fader. It would be nice to insert the limiter post-fader (so if you raise the fader, it just pushes into the limiter, instead of raising post-limiter and clipping your stream) but unfortunately I don't think that's possible; it seems like the only choices for insert position are pre-EQ and post-EQ, not post-fader -- and of course you'll almost certainly want post-EQ. The only 2 workarounds I know of are:
1. Change the output tap to pre-fader instead of the typical post-fader tap. That way, you know that the limiter (or compressor @ 100:1, if you want to avoid using up an FX slot) is absolutely the last thing before the physical output, and therefore you'll never accidentally clip the stream since there's no fader to accidentally push.
2. Run the fader at +10 instead of unity, again so that there's no chance of accidentally pushing it up. In this case, adjust the output gain of the limiter by -10 to compensate (to -11dB in your case). If using the compressor as a limiter, unfortunately the output gain doesn't go below zero, so set the threshold 10dB lower to compensate (and then adjust all channel sends by -10 as well, which makes them harder to use given the log scale). The only benefit over option 1 is if you want to "fade out" your stream using this fader; otherwise it's kind of pointless.
But it would be super cool to make use of the fader in a pre-insert (or pre-compressor) manner, so that you can ride it as the program levels vary! Any ideas? An assignable knob (or MIDI controller) could be used to ride the input gain of the limiter, if it doesn't inflict zipper noise, but adjusting into the mastering compressor would be even better.
Yes, I actually do something like this now where I send my MixBUS to a Stereo Matrix which has the limiter on it and is setup as Pre Fader to not be susceptible to the fader movement. Here is the video that discusses that setup. ua-cam.com/video/9abR8wv4a9c/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse Brilliant! Have the output tapping the matrix pre-fader to ensure no accidental gain after the limiter, while keeping the bus fader to help ride the mix into the mastering chain (and fade out at the end of broadcast). 👍
For your need to ride the volume during an event you could assign a DCA to the MixBUS for volume control or you could use on e of the knobs in the assignable section to control that volume as well (if your DCAs are all used up).
This is the best turorial about x32 set up for live streaming. Thank you very much from Indonesia. God bless u...
Thanks for the encouragement.
When and how to put the limiter was exactly what I was searching for all the afternoon.
Big thanks and greetings from switzerland
I’m glad it was helpful.
This is the only tutorial that actually gave me the info I needed! 10/10 great job!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Good video. Didn't have time to watch the whole thing so you may have suggested this but may i suggest that instead of using a mix buss to you web stream, to use busses to matrix. Use your busses for grouping instruments, and then send those to matrices to your outputs. Use 1 stereo pair for you house and another pair for your web stream so that way you maximize your busses. Then mix off your dca's so that when you make your mix level changes on your dca, you are making relational changes to all you mixes in one shot. This also frees up your stereo buss as another "matrix". I do this in all my mixing, but especially in my corporate events. May have to send a web stream, a house mix, a center fill, delays, record feed. By using good gain structure and good room tuning, you'll be able to get balance mixes to all points very quickly. Happy mixing.
Yeah, Matrix is a different approach and does provide great results. I have another video that covers setting up a matrix for your stream, but this specific video is the method my team uses in our church. I use buses in a different way and plan to go through my approach in an upcoming video. Thanks for the comment.
Dave thank you so much for all of your videos and especially for this one. I e been trying to clean up my live stream for our church. I’ve always been a strong advocate for streaming pre fade in an effort to have more control over the stream. But I really listened to this video and I’ll tell you I’m doing less work with just getting a good mix and making small adjustments to the house and allowing the stream mix to follow that. Blessings to you my friend and Happy New Year.
Happy New Year. Thanks for the encouragement.
Thank you so much, was having problems with making the bass guitar and live mix present. This will help much.
I’m glad it was helpful.
Thx!!! super useful Greetings from Ecuador
Thanks for the encouragement.
Very good video. Thank you for doing it. Super helpful to novice engineers and “de facto sound guys” like myself.
Am just gonna start using one of these mixer so this was very helpful
Awesome. I’m glad you found it helpful.
Great video! This completely changed my stream mix. We use Switcher studio for our video stream, between this mix setup and being able to connect the x32 directly to the iPad via a USB-B to lightning cable its made a night and day difference. Thanks!!
Glad it is working.
Every part of this video was useful. Thank you so much for making these videos, they have been very helpful
Thanks for the encouragement.
This is such a great explanation of the FX. Thank you!
I’m glad it was helpful.
@@AllamHouse I think this is still the best advice out there. The extra settings, FX, etc., work perfectly. Two years with no problems!
Hi @AllamHouse. I love the video. However, it seems that I cannot make the first two effects not affect the room mix. I unchecked the stereo bus button as shown at min 19:45, but I still can hear them in the room. Any ideas what might be the problem? Thank you
There are a few things to check.
1) Always start with muting the FX send to make sure it is not something else you think is the FX.
2) Make sure you don’t have the FX sent to a MixBUS or matrix that might be feeding into your mains or speakers.
3) Make sure you have the “Stereo Bus” button de-selected on the FX returns.
Thanks for the video. Had always wondered how to just have the stream through the headphones to monitor. Looks like got alot of setting up to do because noticed was quiet but the limiter setting has probably answered my question.. God bless and thank you for your video again
Here is a different video I made to help address the Low Volume concerns on our streams
ua-cam.com/video/-RjP3IKFfqM/v-deo.html
Thanks for your patience and explanation. This will help for my XR18
Thanks alot
Sir you're a Hero, thanks so much for that, I'll see all your videos.
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for the encouragement.
Very helpful- the matrixes on these boards are really flexible…….. i was curious about external inserts or even an external chain prior to stream- say a 500 series rack with a couple of modules- in some of the earlier digital boards we would take the headphone mix off the board and feed it into a headphone amp- or switcher for distribution to secondary monitor sets - today that could even be a analogue stereo out put for stream
The BUSes are where you can build your separate mixes as mentioned in this video. The BUS could be a mono mix to support a floor wedge, IEM mix, or like this video a live stream mix. You could then route this mix to an output to a live stream device or to a Matrix where many people send to other locations within their facility (cry room, nursery, lobby, etc). In terms of the actual routing, I have a number of videos on routing depending on where you are sending your mix. A common companion video to this one is listed below and shows how to route your mix out the X-USB slot on the back of the console and send into a streaming device across USB. Others will route out XLRs on the back of the console or even the AUX out (1/4" slots) on the back of the console. I hope this gets you going in the right direction. Let me know if you have more questions. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse thanks for the reply and the link i just saved it- so it sounds like all the inputs and all the outputs are assignable - so you can assign outputs of an XLR to a 2 mix on a buss and then plug that into the back of a piece of hardware???
There are a lot of options for sure. The board does offer standard AUX outputs (and returns) that could be used like a standard analog console with outboard gear. You can do it digitally with gear in a DAW on a computer and even further you can route the same mix (FOH, stream, other) out multiple outputs to send to different places to meet your needs. If you want specific help, I’m happy to do consulting. Just fill out the contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com.
@@AllamHouse The one thing that concerns me is the clocking on the board phase alignments of multiple channels with some of The front of house mixes I’ve heard off of these boards the more channels that you start to stack the loss of dimension seems pretty striking whereas when you have a single speaker or say a singer with a piano there’s tremendous clarity
Of course I’m wondering is that a clocking issue, is that a converter issue, is it latency as you start to add digital processing which by nature creates latency
Everything was helpful. Thank much !
Thanks for the feedback. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thanks, glad I found this. Btw, “Dana” led me to this link. Cheers!
I’m glad you found it helpful.
Great job Dave, appreciate the information and quality detail.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Dave, God has truly blessed me to find out about your channel!
This is just what I needed. I've gained more from you than I have the last 6 years in school. I just graduated last April with a BS in Digital Audio Technology but no one taught us Live Sound. Do you have any tutorials for getting the best sound in house from the Pastors mic. I use a DPA headset with IEM. And Sennheiser wireless transmitter and reciever. When he sings there is so much distortion
Thanks for the encouragement, I'm glad you are learning. It sounds like the gain is too high in general. It is probably fine when he is speaking, but when he is singing it jumps up into digital clipping. Do a soundcheck with him and set his gain to -10 (on the meter) when he is singing. This will make his speaking seem a little soft, but you can use compression to not only control his overall volume, but raise his speaking parts. You might find you want to use a second compressor inserted like I do for my singing vocals. Stacking compressors allows you to not overuse one compressor, but let each one work a little and it makes everything sound natural. This video here runs through my vocal settings in depth on my pastors mic and my other vocal mics as well. ua-cam.com/video/E5xyJXaliMg/v-deo.html
Was able to start messing around with this setup today after service.
That’s awesome. Good luck with the setup, let me know if you have questions.
great video. another way is to buy an inexpensive stereo audio interface. Behringer makes one for around a hundred bucks. Send your aux outs to it then usb, either straight to your streaming computer or switcher. Also has a zero latency headphone out so you can have a set of cans plug into it and monitor it that way.
You are exactly right. I love this stuff because there are so many ways to get things done, just have to find what works for tour environment.
Great tutorial! I Just wanted to note that my x32 is on version 3.12 and I was still able to do all of this.
Yes, you can do it on the older version, but the custom routing that many people do to send this out USB is not capable on firmware older than 4.0. This video explains how to do this to route out USB and into a streaming device. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse oh! Okay, I don't send audio to our livestream via USB so that is why I am confused haha.
How do you have it connected at this time?
@@AllamHouse I have the stereo mix bus going to a pair of aux outputs and into our video switcher.
This was a very detailed presentation, but as a novice to the X32 mixer, I have a few questions.
Now that a stream mix is built how do I get it to the streaming computer? Is mix Buses 11 and 12 automatically outputted to output 11 and 12 or does a routing need to be built to do this? If the output is on output 11 and 13 what kind of cable do I need with 2 XRL to connect on the mixer end and 1 usb on the computer end? I would also assume that routing can be set up to send these buses to the X32 USB 2.0 card interface. Once a stream mix is set up, if one week one of the singers or instruments is not in the band, does muting that input channel mute the channel for both the house and stream? If an additional instrument is added is that just a modification of the original sends on faders that set up the stream mix bus?
Most streaming devices only receive on USB 1/2 so this video discusses sending your mix to USB 1/2. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
If you need to make changes in your mix from week to week you can select the stream BUS, click ‘sends on fader’ and then you can mute the channel or turn it all the way down. Muting is the easier option so your settings are preserved for future weeks. Similar adjustments would be made for any instruments added in the future as well.
Thank you for your video. We will try to implement it. I have been looking for this kind of video because in our streaming video to FB and UA-cam we can NOT hear the effects we give to the singers. We do not have a band in our church so our music is very simple. We only want to hear the effects on singer's mic we put on the house mix to our streaming mix. We use Bus 7 but it is not stereo therefore I learned from this video. I learned a lot of things from your videos. I am trying to watch them all because your explanations are simple.
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm glad you are finding value and learning from the videos. If you come up with other questions feel free to post them in the comments and I'm happy to answer and/or make a video out of the answer.
Thxs for all the information, learned a lot of the effects for the stream.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Fantastic tutorial, many thanks for making it so clear to us :)
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm glad it was helpful.
At my local church, I turned our headphones monitor source off so when I solo a mic or instruments, I don't hear other sound sources when I put the headphones on with no solo selections turn on
That is an interesting approach, but I kind of like it so you don't have any "default" mix coming through and this way you know if you hear something it is because you solo'd a mix or instrument. I do find that sometimes my engineers put the headphones on and think thye are listening to their cahnges, but they forgot to hit solo. Thanks for the tip.
Great tutorial as always! How would I go about routing just the MixBus I am using for livestream to the USB card? I have look at a lot of videos but still have not been able to figure it out. Thanks for the Fxs answer you gave me. Thanks to you I was able to fix it.
This. Idea is the companion and covers the routing for sending the stream out the X-USB card to your computer. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
Hi, how can I get you to come a update my sound mix at my church. This so new to us, we are lost in doing the sound for streaming. However this is very helpful, our sound is so thin. Very technical, will try.
I’m happy to work on a consultation plan for you. To get things started, please fill out the contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com
I just wanna say thank you. I'm brand new to mixing....and this is exactly what I was looking for, and I've seen a lot of videos so far to improve our stream "room". If there is one area I'm not sure about is how you getting an L/R instrument, for example your acoustic guitar. Are you getting L/R signals 29:40 as different inputs or are you somehow duplicating one input and assigning them to 2 channels.
You are exactly right, I am doubling the input into two channels. I actually cover this setup and processing in this video here ua-cam.com/video/3xnQFr0XD0I/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse thank you
Loved it! Super helpful!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Hi Dave, we were just trying to figure out stereo bus on the X32. Thanks!
Watched your videos a million times adjusting and tweaking my mix. My question is where can I watch a live stream from your church to compare my live stream?
That’s great. I’m at Area 10 Faith Community. Here is a link to a recent stream. Keep in mind we have 4 bands and 5 sound engineers so our mix will be slightly different from week to week. Also, everyone is volunteering so we don’t have paid professionals in any spot. ua-cam.com/video/d34q8pKBK68/v-deo.html
Well explained, exactly what i needed. Thank you very much
Glad it helped!
Hey Allam, thanks for your video, they are really helpful. God bless you!
Thanks for the video. I’m definitely going to have to try the limiter.
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Based on Google Translate, it seems like you found the video helpful. Thanks for the feedback.
Love the video and I plan on going in this Saturday to set up….BUT I was waiting for you to show how to go into live stream software. We are using OBS.
Do you have a video that I can follow from here to get it to the computer? I will be using USB.
I’m getting excited because are live stream sounds like trash and I think this is it finally! Thank you again
That is exciting for sure. This video works in partnership with the other video we started our discussions on. This one talks about a full scene build. The other one (posted below) shows you the routing of getting that signal to go out USB 1/2 which is what your OBS software will receive. If you have questions about OBS I'm happy to assist, but I figure there are a number of videos out there that will walk you through adding an "Audio Input Source" into OBS and selecting the X-USB option.
Routing Video: ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse you are the man! God bless you
@@AllamHouse UPDATE:
So the set up went great! We got a much better sound going to the stream. There is some ground noise going on but it’s not too bad. I would like to clean that up. Any tips?
We did run into a problem maybe you can also help.
The church uses a windows laptop. Fairly new. OBS will not recognize the M32 interface in audio settings. But when I hook up my old MacBook, it will detect it on OBS. Only problem is for whatever reason, stream is real laggy on the Mac but fine on the windows. 🤷🏽♂️
Any idea why the windows OBS is not recognizing the m32? Software version for OBS is the same on both laptops.
Thanks again!
That’s great news. The Windows computers do require a driver to be installed. Go to the Behringer website, search for x32 and scroll down the right to find ‘software’ and then you can download the X-ISB driver.
For the ground noise, that is most likely coming from an instrument (bass guitar and keyboards are common offenders). Check your DI boxes to make sure the ground is lifted. Also, you can just mute all inputs and see if it is still happening and if not, then unmute channels one by one until you find the issue.
@@AllamHouse church starts in a couple hours. We will try again this morning. Thanks again!
Hello really learn a lot my questions is after the complete setup how will you live stream it live on Sunday so the viewers watching at home on obs live see and hear that great sound thanks 🙏
Thanks for the encouragement. Once you have built your mix you have an opportunity to route it wherever you need it to go for your streaming setup. Some groups route to AUX outs to send to an ATEM mini, my church uses XLR outs to go into an ATEM HD TV Studio and still others will send directly into a computer across USB to have software like OBS or VMix include it to your stream. This video here discusses the USB settings. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
@@AllamHouse thank you so much stay blessed Sir
Thank you so much this video was exactly what I was looking for. I have a question how do I route the live stream mix bus to my live streaming software (OBS) using the USB on back of the console?
I'm glad you found this helpful. This video explains the three common ways to get your stream mix from the console to your streaming device. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.html
I am trying to set up my system like this. Everything seem to be working except that the fader for my buss doesn't control the output for the live stream. I can't figure our what I missed.
You need to change the tap point of the Stream Bus. I talk about it in this video ua-cam.com/video/1GNmNWdVWKg/v-deo.html
Awesome tips here, thanks! I tried this today, but ran into a problem: as I linked bus 11 and 12 for the stream, the sound disappeared from bus 11, but when I unlinked them the sound was back on bus 11. What could be the problem? Not in front of the board now as it is at work...
My in initial guess is panning. When you link 11/12 they immediately become panned hard left and hard right. If you have audio panned all the way to the right you will only hear it in bus 12 and not in bus 11. If you hear NO audio at all when you link, then you probably have the pair setup as a post-fader mix and if the fader for the house is down (or muted) it will not be heard until the volume of the house is brought up.
Nicely and comprehensively explained! Question: I am prone to clipping on the liked mix bus pair I use for the stream, even though all the sends to that bus are at 0dB or below and are post-fader sends. The sum of the same channels in the main stereo L&R busses is nowhere near clipping according to the meters. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
I would make sure your EQ, Comp and any limiting are turned off on your stream BUS. Check your signal level and then add back each one, one at a time and see what effect they are having on the output level.
@@AllamHouse Great answer, thanks. I will do exactly as you suggest.
Thank you so much for the fast response to my comment. The only reason that I commented was because you started with two blank channels and never actually set up an input. I think our church board is using a usb connection for the live stream, so now I know what to look for and how to correct our volume for the feed.
I have another very important question if you don't mind answering.
Right now our church only has three singers that sing along with a backing track, no band.
My question is: How do I get the backing track to be sent to 1 or two monitors so the singers can hear it better without having to turn up the mains too high. I was thinking about using the link connections on the back of the left and right mains and hard wiring them directly to the xlr in of the monitors but I would rather see if there was a way to rout the mains to two monitors on the x32 instead.
Your help would be great!
You will use a MixBUS to build a mix to send to a monitor (wedge). By default, the XLR outputs are mapped to the MixBUS (Bus 1 -> XLR 1, Bus 2 -> XLR 2, etc) so you can connect the desired output to your monitor.
This video talks about building sending inputs into your monitors ua-cam.com/video/zwYcNieISF4/v-deo.html
Thanks so much for the live stream info works great. My current issue we have a vocalist which accentuates plosives a lot. I cannot find the right frequency to cut. Any Ideas?
Typically plosives happen in the 120-150 hz range. I usually use my low cut to sure this issue, but you could use your lowest EQ point if needed.
Thanks very much your tutorial was very helpful
I’m glad it was helpful. Let me know if you have any questions.
This video was very helpful and I am excited to try this technique at our church. Our mix bus for livestream has always been post-eq (I think?) for the longest time but setting up post-fader makes so much sense. Question though... I use a bunch of DCAs to control various groupings in the house, will this affect the livestream mix as well? I hoping it will because it will be very convenient to be able to pull back the band DCA while the lead vocalist prays over and instrumental transition.
Yes, your DCAs effectively control the fader level of the inputs it is linked to, so in a Post Fader livestream setup the DCAs will impact the livestream volumes.
I put most of these tips into place on our M32R for services today and got lots of compliments. The FX in the livestream were exactly what we were missing. Thank you! In fact, I got so excited about getting the FX right that I have missed setting up the most important part: setting up the mixbus to post-fader! For now, I'm pretty sure the mixbus is still set at Sub Group. When the full band is going, the mixbus is loud and getting pretty deep into the orange on the meters. However, when it's just the pastor, I barely get two bars of green. Therefore, I need to adjust the mixbus fader during that transition from worship music to message and then again from message to closing music. Will this fix itself once I get it set to post fader? Will adding the limiter possibly help with this? I would rather not have to make this adjustment, but if I need to I will assign it to a DCA.
Go ahead and make that change to be a Post-Fader mix and the. You will have the flame in illy to turn up the pastors mic and make the fine adjustments to your stream mix. The limiter will also assist in getting the soft levels up while keeping the loud parts from clipping. I have my stream audio (music portion) just below clipping at -1 before it goes to our stream. I cover those settings in that video so you can go back and check over them using the quick links in the description.
First, thanks, this is exactly what we're been looking for at our church. However, I'm a newbie, and the guy that set all this up is absent these days. Now that I've got this all set up, I'm assuming I want to send MIX BUS 11 & 12, and only 11&12, to the USB Card (our USB card goes to our vMix computer for streaming). I have no idea how to do this in routing. Can you give a quick instruction, or tell me where to go to get the info for that?
You are exactly right. This video covers the three ways to get your mix out of the console and into a streaming location. ua-cam.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/v-deo.html
This was VERY helpful, thank you
I’m glad it was helpful.
Awesome! Thanks! I feel silly, but now that I’ve done this, how do I send my live stream/broadcast bus out L&R to our ATEM?
If you have an ATEM HD that takes XLRs you can just connect to the output on the back of the console and run to your switcher. If you have an ATEM mini you will connect with a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable and go from AUX 1/2 out on the console to your ATEM. If this is the scenario you will also go into Routing > AUX and set your stream bus to go out AUX 1/2
@@AllamHouse Thank you. The routing is what I was lost on.
Helped me learn our board a bit better! One thing I'm looking for is how to mute a channel in the aux send (our stream send) when I mute it in the house. Can it be done?
If you mute the channel it will be muted everywhere. I am not sure of a way to mute it only in the stream while keeping it live in the house... while mixing. You might be able to use the Assign Section to setup something that mutes only in the stream, but I've never jumped into doing that.
@@AllamHouse Right now, when I mute a channel in the house, it does not mute on the aux send. It’s creating some sound issues and echoing on the stream send. Our Lecturn mic is extremely sensitive.
So, I always run my stream mix as a Post-Fader mix which allows you to only deal with the house mix and the stream will follow. If you are setup in a Pre-Fader mix, then you will in fact have to mute in both places. If you do not want to make any large changes, you can use a DCA to control both and should allow you to mute both places with one mute button.
Thank you for the video! I've been coming back to this again and again. So if I want to add room mics to the livestream mix, and obviously not in the main mix, should I just unclick the "stereo bus" button as I would do for the effects?
Yes, that is exactly right. De-select the Stereo LR Bus button and it will not go to your FOH mix.
Great Video! Will you please do a supplemental video showing us your OBS settings?
I can, but it is a very simple setup. Our cameras and audio go into a Blackmagic (BM) video switcher. This goes across an AJA-Utap device to convert SDI->USB. OBS has the BM device setup as an audio input and a video input. The only additional thing we have is our lower -third lyrics coming across NDI from Pro7 into OBS as well.
So, how do I send only my paired bus mix out of usb? It’s routed correctly, but I’m also getting my main L/R mix out of it as well. I simply want the bus send going out. Did you mention that in this or another video? Thanks for any help!
Daniel
Yes, this video covered the setup, but then you have to decide how you want to route the signal. You can route through XLR, or 1/4” AUX out, or through the X-USB slot which I cover in the following video. ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
I´ve tried inserting a Combinator Multiband Efx on the stereo linked buses designated for streaming and can´t hear anything on headphones when soloing Stream buses. Already tried in the "Monitor Solo Options" using the "Mixbus Solo AFL" on & off. I see signal on the effect but nothing on the headphones. Any help would be appreciated.
Kind regards,
I would start by in-inserting the Combinator and seeing if the solo feature works correctly. Usually, I recommend going into the monitor settings view window and making sure you have Exclusive last checked and solo MixBUS AFL checked as well. If you have the solo feature working now, add your combinator back in and leave all the settings at the default. Make sure the solo works before adjusting the settings. If you need further one on one support, feel free to catch me on my contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com.
Great video, needed that. Please what device or cable can I use to get audio from X32 into my computer for streaming using the mixbus or AUX. I make use of a video engine software called VMIX. Thanks
I have another video that walks through the routing to use the USB output on the back of the console. Requires and USB A to USB B cable.
ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
good job, allam. i've learned a lot with this video. thank \o/
Thanks for the encouragement.
Great vid, clears a lot of clutter! Thanks.
Pls just an unrelated question: can you help with a couple links to routers that can work with the x32. Been reading a number of review about people having trouble with some routers and just thought to find out which one you've been successful with. I want to setup to control remotely as well. Thanks
We have two different routers we use in our worship center. The one that is dedicated for the soundboard is a basic Netgear router we picked up for about $40. It isn't anything fancy and only needs to offer connectivity for phones and tablets that are controlling the console. This router does NOT get internet access and is only an internal LAN. We also have a TP-Link router (TP-Link AC1750) that we use for all of our live streaming and NDI needs. This network does have internet and all devices are hardwired except for our courtesy monitor that is running across wifi. Also, the network is not used for anything outside of streaming so the bandwidth is dedicated to the stream.
@@AllamHouse Thanks a lot. Yeah purely for LAN, no internet. This helps thanks
You have been greatly helpful, I appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge. I have a question: so, as we moved into a hybrid reality for Bible study, we just purchased a shure cvo overhead, so that people can hear in house discussion. Now, it’s gotten a little feedback-y because of gain. As we don’t really use the overhead for worship, is there a way to send it only to the bus mix and not master FOH? Or, do you have any suggestions for eq-omg overheads for auditorium/sanctuary? Thanks!
A crowd mix should pretty much have everything below 400hz rolled out and the rest will depend on the amount of PA and other things coming into it. You will have to crank the gain since the subjects tend to be far away. As for keeping it out of the mains, just simply select the channel and push the ‘stereo bus’ button next to the screen so it is NOT orange. This will make sure it doesn’t go to the mains and then you can send it into your stream or monitors. I cover these concepts in this video about monitors. ua-cam.com/video/zwYcNieISF4/v-deo.html
Great video sir!!!! I do have a problem, my stream is only coming out of the right speaker in headphones and on my laptop. How do I fix that?
Here are a few questions I have as you start the troubleshooting.
Did you setup a stereo pair of buses for your stream mix?
How did you send your stream to your computer?
Are your headphones plugged into the console or the streaming computer?
@@AllamHouse
Yep, just like you said.
I send the stream to SlingStudio with an Aux out (1/4' to 3.5mm)
Monitoring is fine (from the console) but on facebook it only plays on the right.
Each AUX out cable is a mono output. You would need to route your stereo stream out the two AUX outs which would allow you to connect a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable. Keep in mind when you plug the headphones into the board and solo the mix, even a mono mix will be heard in both ears. Also, most 1/8” inputs on a computer will be designed for a microphone which is a mono input and regardless of the stereo cable you plug in, you will only get a mono signal. Many people end up routing their mix across the X-USB card and use the USB input to get a stereo mix into your computer.
This video talks through the setup and routing to get your mix across USB.
ua-cam.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/v-deo.html
This video is the widely used design for building the mix that would be sent across the USB. ua-cam.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/v-deo.html