WHY THAT 70S SHOW FINALE WAS THE WORST
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- As we all prepare for Netflix 's That 90s Show , let's not forget how That 70s Show ended.
While the series finale was definitely better than the episodes that led up to it --- it was far from the perfect ending some claim it to be.
The best of Season 8 ? Definitely.
The greatest way to close out one of the all time greats? Definitely not.
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How do you guys feel about the background track?
Are we for or against using music in videos?
I think background music can't hurt as long as it's balanced well so it's doesn't drown out the content, and isn't a complete tonal clash with the content in question. If nothing else, when done well I find it always feels like just that bit higher production quality in a video
Depends on the music, honestly.
This particular video?
Nah.
I liked it
I don't mind the music but the volume was too low I think in this own, it might not have been there at all
I like it a lot! But just lower plz
That 70s show: forces Fez and Jackie together.
That 90s show: no
Bro how… it just came out
@@nathantrombley4045yea
That’s not enough to make That 90’s show decent.
even mila kunis was against her and kelso being together and said she should’ve ended up with fez
@@slayer-scythe8159 That's saying something because they're actually married and real life Mila and Austin
Jackie ending up with Fez seemed completely random, and there was no indication that she was romantically interested in him until then. Fortunately, Jackie left Fez for Kelso soon after, even having a son with him.
Yeah I see that as both course correction for the bad Jackie-fez relationship to start with along with acknowledging the real-world history too. I mean they are together after all
I wouldn't say there was NO indication, because there were a small handful of moments earlier in the series where it's kinda hinted that she might be interested in Fez, even though they really don't make a strong case for it.
I don't remember the exact context, but I remember the group was at the movies, and Fez basically misread Jackie and thought she was sending signals for him to make a move, so he kissed her, and she kissed back for a few seconds before realizing it was him and she got understandably pissed. I think she thought he was Kelso at first, or she just got blindsided and was lost in the moment for a moment. She also later admits to Donna that the kiss was really good, and didn't seem to be mad about it at all anymore. This can potentially indicate that she just thinks Fez is a good kisser or that she liked him kissing her and just wasn't consciously aware of that.
There were also times that Jackie used Fez to try and make Kelso jealous, but ended up just having a lot of fun with him. I'm pretty sure she even said at some point that she might consider dating him if he wasn't foreign.
Now, I'm not saying these are good setups for a potential Fez and Jackie relationship, or that these instances justify Fez and Jackie suddenly being together at the end of the show, as these happened WAY earlier in the show and hadn't been touched on for at least four or five seasons. I'm just saying that there were some things that could indicate this as a potential relationship beforehand, but nowhere near often or recent enough to actually make this sudden relationship feel genuine.
Oh yeah that did happen huh? Odd indeed. Probably just done for shake up for viewers at the time
@@MagillanicaLouM perhaps but it was later revealed it was partially because the new writers at the time didn’t like the Jackie character and preferred the bickering dynamic from previous seasons with Hyde. So tanked the relationship. Even the actors called it out in subsequent years as bad writing.
@@gwell2118 i see, glad the actors were aware lol.
*Even though Eric Foreman showing up in the final episode of the show was satisfying to see, but even with that the damage was already done because of all the stupid story directions that they went in the final season.*
Precisely, it was too little, too late for a lot of viewers.
Eric made the whole entire series funnier but a couple of seasons without him sucked
The best episode by far in the final season was the one where they steal fatso the clown
Yeah, honest to God, that interaction between Bob and Fez (pretending to be fatso) is one of the funniest damn things I've seen to this day. My only sticking point with the episode is that Donna was WAY too excited to be committing a crime, because she had done worse in the past. So her acting like a repressed goody two shoes discovering the joys of vandalism for the first time was a significant regression of her character IMO.
Facts that was so funny
Donna didn't act like herself, she wanted to kidnap a child. And it had too much Randy jokes. Fez and Bob, was the best interaction.
Donna didn't act like herself, she wanted to kidnap a child. And it had too much Randy jokes. Fez and Bob, was the best interaction.
Donna didn't act like herself, she wanted to kidnap a child. And it had too much Randy jokes. Fez and Bob, was the best interaction.
I’m so glad that you didn’t quit UA-cam, Vee. You honestly feel like an old friend to me at this point (been watching you for YEARS) and I would be really upset if you went away. And your content is really strong dude, getting better all the time too! I’m sure that you’ll get your day in the sun if you keep at it. Love you, buddy!
Just finished watching “That 90s show” so this is a welcome surprise. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on it.
I heard it was worse than it looked.
I literally just watching a video about how the shoes series finale was perfect and how it essentially saved the show. I agree with that, I thought the finale was done right. Not over the top, brings the show back to its roots and ands as the kids ring in the new decade.
It would've been interesting to see Eric interact with Randy.
I definitely agree. That 70s Show had a bittersweet ending. On the one hand I was so happy that Kelso and Eric came back after having not been there for majority of the season and slugging through the season's awful writing and Randy. But there's no denying that there was still quite a bit wrong with it as well. I thought it was weird that Laurie wasn't there for one it would've been nice if she was there (and they were able to get Lisa Robin Kelly back at least one last time). I also agree that Fez and Jackie made no sense in the grad scheme of things, the thing that made their relationship so annoying was how obviously forced the relationship was magically making Fez be all the things that Jackie was looking for when she wrote it down on paper. The relationship just wasn't genuine in feeling at all.
And as much as I disliked Randy, I agree that he was a big part of the show (no matter how insufferable he was) and it just felt weird how he wasn't mentioned at all especially between Donna and Eric. At least with Samantha, they properly wrote her out by having her move back to Vegas.
And what you said towards the end about how there was no clear distinction of where the characters were heading in life, this is actually one of the reasons why I wasn't to see a continuation of the show. Don't get me wrong, the idea was interesting but when I thought about it even back all those many years when I first saw the finale and how many people were saying that they should do another series with them in the 90s, I just couldn't fully get behind it because I couldn't think of what the characters would be doing...
Overall I do see where you're coming from and I can agree. It's definiely one of those things that felt warm and good on paper but when you unwrap it, there were things about it that could've been better done.
Vee is so cheeky posting this the day The 90s Show premiers on Netflix.
No, strategic. A ton of 70s show content got posted that day because that’s what people are searching for.
And still, I bet not enough people, will watch That 90s show. It looks as bad as How I Met Your Father.
The gang’s reunion on the finale just showed that Eric and Michael were dearly missed during season 8. The chemistry just picked up like nothing happened and we were left to think what could have been.
They rectify Jackie and Fez in That 90s. Its revealed that Jackie cheated Fez with Kelso. Married him and has a child that is one of the protagonists.I undesrand that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are married, but doing that to Fez is criminal.
The Jay Kelso problem. Fez says they were at a sandals resort when she split,sandals wasn't a thing till 82 .Even if she got pregnant immediately,Jay would be born in late 82
it's 1995 in the new show....Jay is 13?
The end credits, the return of characters, Kitty & Donna, and that last circle..
Those are the high points. What I would change? Randy falls off the tower and dies. A moment for Laurie. Fez comes out. Hyde gets arrested. Eric comes back early. Post credit scene- Red and Kitty at a Packers game..
I'd love a Jackie/Fez video! But I'd love your take on the 90s Show even more! It was way better than I thought it would be.
Eric leaving the show is singlehandedly the reason why the show fell off
The show should've ended in season 6.
@@BishopWalters12 I agree
True but the hit rock bottom when Kelso left too
@@BishopWalters12 nah I think season 7, since it literally felt like the final season until like the third last episode when they undid it
@@BishopWalters12 It was supposed to end in season 7, that would have been fine.
I liked the That 70s Show Finale. I wouldn't put it up there with like The Mash finale but it was a good last episode. It tied up all the lose ends. I don't mind the background track. I wouldn't make it a permanent thing,but here it works.
The show was hurt by the name later in the series, feeling obligated to stay in the 70s. In my head canon, the show should have ended in 83 after return of the jedi.
I can't wait to see your review of "That 90's Show", Vee. I'm on the third episode so far, and I like it thus far. The characters are engaging, without being total carbon copies of the original group, and Leia really shines in particular. I also enjoy the 90's references, character cameos and Kitty and Red's supporting roles.
The new group of teens came off as extremely cringey and unfunny in the trailer I saw. Just my opinion from what the trailer showed. Seems like Red and Kitty are the best part of the new show.
Come on the new cast is trash. The only good part is Leia
where do the show air
I agree, honestly the trailer did not do the show any favours. Almost like they stitched it up to make it look bad. It’s actually not bad.
I really like it too. I’m in the minority camp of really enjoying the last season of That 70’s Show too though
Can't wait to hear his thoughts on that 90's show
Great Video. I'm Gen-X and lived the era represented on That 70s Show. The Question you asked about Donna? The answer , unfortunately, reflects on the generation. Yes She had to give up her dreams again, she got pregnant in the early 80s. There was a lot of that going on in the real world at that time, I saw many friends who had their plans waylaid by irresponsibly getting laid. Since that bit of era-sensitive nostalgia has been established in the series from season 1, and with the age of Leia in That 90's Show, I would posit this as your answer to what happened with Donna.
I actually like the new 90s show explanation of Fez and Jackie and what happened...I actually used to think that in my head cannon so its okay to know that Kelso and Jackie actually did end up together
The whole last season was like clinging onto a bad relationship waiting for it to end...
Looking forward to your That 90s Show review!
Maybe That 90s Show could explain Hydes missing because he murdered Randy for ah reasons in universe, and because everyone hated him irl.
Two birds with one stone.
10:08 On the contrary, that bit aged flawlessly given the current hoopla around Danny Masterson.
When you said that thing at the end about definitive goodbyes I got scared QUICK.
The series finale could've been a two hour TV movie.
I totally forgot that Hyde had a thing for Donna. I think it would have been great if they went with that plot point Hyde pursuing Donna, which Jackie finds out and it pushes her to Fez who they then could spend the whole last season making them a believable couple, Donna dating Hyde would have also given Kitty reason to hate Donna. I can't believe they made Jackie and Kelso hook up and married in that 90s show. Just because they are married in real life doesn't mean the characters they portrayed in the show need to end up together. Kelso was maturing slowly being responsible and taking care of his daughter. Jay being Jackie and Kelso son just no. Jay could still be a Kelso I suppose after all Michael Kelso did have a brother but I think it would have been better if Jay wasn't the son of Jackie and Kelso.
Josh Meyers is a good comedian, but bad writing hurt his character, plus he came at the wrong time.
If they brought Randy in, in Season 7 his character being in Season 8 would've made more sense.
@@hankscorpio7767 I do agree whole heartedly!
Yes Napoleon Dynamite proves what a great comedy actor Josh Meyers is with a good script.
Very true, Leo also came into Growing Pains when it was well past its prime, an actor can only do so much and new characters joining a sitcom in later seasons of a show really never works out for the most part.
That 70s show was an incredible sitcom for parents and kids of every era, literally timeless. Personally I watched it originally from reruns on some weird four-letter name cable channel. Anyways Jackie and Fez video would be sick yo.
And now they're back with THAT 90'S SHOW.
The Curse of Randy Pearson. Hoping that
he will still appear in the reboot.
I would laugh so hard if Randy appeared in That 90's Show (kinda want it to happen tbh)
@@hankscorpio7767
If Hyde will not appear in THAT 90'S SHOW anymore, a future guest role by Josh Meyers won't hurt the new reboot at this juncture.
The very last episode of That 70s Show took place on December 31st, 1979... in That 90s Show, Leia Forman turns 15 in July 1995. Which means that she was born in July of 1980, meaning that Donna was pregnant with her in the last episode of That 70s Show... but Eric was in Africa all year
Also, Kelso and Jackie's kid is older than Leia which means that Jackie was also pregnant in the finale of That 70s Show, but she wasn't with Kelso she was with Fez
Kelso and Jackie slept together at the end of season 7. Eric left for Africa in the fall and show ended on new years eve. Fuzzy math could make that work. Even though the new show should of took place in 1996 or 1997.
at the very least, Im glad they dropped the awful Donna/Randy relationship and brought Eric back for the end
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Bad finale? Kinda. Worst finale of all time? For me it will always be Two and a Half Men. Hands down. Made nobody happy, accomplished nothing, and was just a way to spite Charlie Sheen, as if it wasn’t done enough prior.
I see your two and a half man and raise you a HIMYM.
@@natej3353 Yeah, HIMYM was way worse. The Two and a Half Men's finale didn't seem to be taking its self seriously at all (pretty much every episode post-Sheen was like this, so the show knew what it was by that point and kinda just "embraced the madness"). The HIMYM finale ruined the whole show.
I'm not sure where you heard Eric becoming unlikable was about Topher, apparently, they just didn't know how to keep Eric around otherwise while maintaining the same formula.
They had to give up his character direction for it but it ended up flanderizing him so much that personally I wasn't even bothered he left for Africa at the finale.
The rest of the cast mostly made sense (Donna was pushing it as well but she did have a great job to stay around for at least), but Eric for his story arc should have left Point Place after Red recovered from his heart attack.
I'm sure Topher Grace's apathy for the role at that point affected things (though I haven't read or heard that he stopped being professional, just that he wasn't socializing with the cast and staff) as well but at least the official reason was writer's block and artificialy essentially keeping him a teenager at home.
Also, his rushed story in the finale was actually because of him. He apparently wasn't too fond of returning until convinced and they only got so much screen time to add him.
I think it was bit unfair that the reporting about Topher not hanging out with cast mates after work assumed that he was difficult or had any beef with anyone. They can spend a pretty long time shooting, maybe he's the type of person who wants to go home and unwind after work and get to bed at reasonable hour, maybe they liked to party hard or that's not that's not how he rolls, or perhaps he's an introvert and needs to be alone to recharge after being in a crowd for that long. All kinds of reasons people might not want to hang out after work that don't mean he's a dick. It's okay to just show up to work, do your job well, not cause any problems, and go home when you're done. I don't know why people acted like that was weird somehow.
i actually didn't hate randy all that much but i concur; i would've much preferred leo
Love you bro and love the vids keep it uppp
Fez and Jackie was the worst thing to happen that 70s show!!!
I want someone to address Randy in That 90’s Show. Don’t be cowards
These events in a show plot serve to remind us that it is fiction, a creation owned by the authors, show runners etc.
While I often get pulled into a story, it serves mental health to remember that the purpose of a shoe is to make money for the owner.
With that as the base line, all these disappointments are less painful: It ain’t real.
The episode where they steal the clown was pretty hysterical
I hope you do a That 90s Show video. it'll be fun watching you rip it apart lol.
You are inspiring me to start watching this show past the 3rd season where i left off.
The ONLY thing about Randy's character that felt right was .....his hair ..lol they nailed his hair style VERY on point late 70s.(actually this the hairstyle i think Eric should have been sporting by season three) ...... like Happy Days before it That 70s Show was kinda playing loose with the period hair styles . by the last 2 seasons imo ..with the exception of maybe Hyde whose stache was very nice late 70s added touch
In my opinion the first 4 episodes of season 8 are really good (the ones with kelso) cuz the gang still feels like they did in seasons before and I just actually enjoy the plots and characters but after kelso leaves and randy gets more lines it starts to suck
Loved this video
The only reason I continued to watch all the seasons of this show is because I will forever be a simp for Mila Kunis 😍
The Fez and Jackie romance sucked. The focus should have been Jackie having to choose between Kelso and Hyde, with Jackie ultimately choosing Kelso in the end. Kelso and Hyde were always rivals even before Hyde started dating Jackie, so it made no sense for Hyde to be shoved aside.
Facts
I want to see them all with families in that 90s show
Season 8 would've been so much better had they kept Charlie Richardson.
Great show, the finale was such a smoking mess. Kitty is so freaking manic, like she the person is having a break down
Dude. Jackie and Fez was so stupid that they confirmed they broke up in about a week.
i did not like the character of Randy although Josh Meyers is absolutely a funny dude
Yeah, bad writing hurt his character, and he came at the wrong time.
It's not Ashton Kutcher, it's Kevin Malone.
The writers literally saw the Rachel and Joey pairing on friends and thought "that was such a good idea that had to have been so beloved by the fans, we should try to do the same thing!
It was the 70s!
Also god I forgot about Kelso's daughter.
Dang Kevin conroys cameo hit me in the feels
I like the finale it closed everyone story arc even though I disagree with the direction with the characters they have good chemistry. I think the longer it dragged on the worst it got they should have ended it sooner because no one liked randy
They should have never broken up Jackie and Hyde. That upset a lot of people.
I'm not exactly a Randy fan, but now that you mention it. Not having Randy at least in the background of the party and only giving him a couple meaningless lines for liike 2 minutes tops was a bizzare choice to make considering they just spent the whole last season trying to make him an Eric/Kelso hybrid replacement.
They should have Randy randomly return in That 90's Show (played by Seth Meyers instead of Josh) and have nobody react to his appearance at all, and act like he was always just there.
No reaction is usually the standard for a Seth Meyer’s appearance.
I hope in that 90s show Randy appears in one episode to say high to red and kitty and they forgot who he is 😂
Can't wait for that 90's show review
I actually don't mind Randy,, don't know why, he's not better than the rest of the og cast, but he is not as bad as people say
I wonder if Vee Infuso will a review of That 90’s Show.
You know why Eric works and Randy doesn't is the group was mostly outcasts only having one cool guy in the group I might hate Star Wars but Eric is the most lovable live action nerd in television history Randy isn't dumb enough to be entertaining replacement for Kelso and isn't dorky enough to be a good replacement for Eric
You have talked about a lot of legendary sitcoms. Ever thought about doing everybody loves Raymond? That show was an entertainment beast.
Happy to see something other than Batman!! I love Batman but i am burned out with any superhero things
Omggg your cameos!!
Your complaints about Randy remind me of the old joke “waiter, this food is terrible, and the portions are so small!”
I just noticed that the water tower has a weed leaf painted on it 😂
"That 70's Show finale was the worst"
That 90's Show: Hold my beer
Lol
They did it even worse, Nate and Leia is so random, they had to have some sort of cliffhanger 🙄
Are u gonna cover the 1st season of that 90s show
I'm a huge That 70s Show fan and I've never even seen the finale. I tried sitting through season 8 and couldn't do it.
Spoiler alert Well, I got the news for you
Jackie leaves fez to get back with Michael
It didn't surprise me since the actors are together in real life
I figured out that fez from an island country. It used either colonized by dutch or British
Well, as always, I'm happy to be the lone voice of dissension, because I absolutely love the finale ... I thought it was one of the all-time best finales of any series, right up there with 'Bates Motel', 'X-Files' and 'Seinfeld' (which, I know, much like, T70S Finale, was much hated by many) ... Just wanted there to be one positive opinion on here amidst all the tiresome hate
Waiting for your 90s show review
Licking a light socket won't kill you. I won that bet in grade 5.
Fez and Jackie was worse than Joey and Rachel or equally bad for different reasons. I can't decide
Definitely release the Jackie fez video.
I just pretend the last season doesn't exist
And the reboots/sequels
@@starcrysis23 we don't talk about that 80s show lol
Should've brought back Casey Kelso to call Eric Forman "Foreskin" one more time.
I’m just glad they cut out that scene where Hyde attempts to sexually assault Kitty
I think you are taking some big leaps with your assertions. People who didn't like Eric to begin with were the ones who doubled down on their dislike. I've always liked him and found his motivation for wanting to leave home completely relatable. And it doesn't mean that he's completely in the right. It just means you are going to hurt people at times while discovering yourself, and it isn't necessarily intentional or malicious.
You doing that 90s show next?
No one ever dies from falling off the water tower, but somehow Charlie does?
It was the actors fault. He left the show, for another pilot. He was supposed to be in season 8, but replaced him with Randy, so they just killed him off.
Jackie should have been with Hyde
I felt bad for Randy in the finale. He was in the whole season, only to be scrubbed out, cuz of the return of Eric. Donna should have ended up with Randy, Eric treated Donna like dirt.
I thought the last episode was a rare good episode in a sea of awful season 8 episodes
Short term memory… Donna’s sister season 1 episode 1. Then never again
I'd rather see a video with your take on the 90's Show. I liked it a lot, but I'm not sure what the consensus is. I feel like not everyone liked the new teens as much as I did.
I disagree about your point with randy, in fact I think he shouldn't have appeared or been mentioned in the finale at all. The episode before the finale explains why he wouldn't hang out with them anymore so it would've made more sense
Never really cared for the show, so I wouldn't have been surprised if the finale sucked
Don't care about Jackie or Fez relationship!
Jackie ending up with fez was wtf. I hated it at that moment and have proceeded to hate it ever since. blame the new group of writers they had for season 8! Also for how they played the whole Jackie Hyde marry stripper fiasco. yuck
PLEASE do a Video on THAT 90s Show, I really want to know your Opinion on that Show!
Sadly in 2024, this is really true. The last season sucked and the finale also sucked. I just re-watched that finale.
Are we going to get a video on your thoughts on that 90s show
I just started watching that 90s show and I actually really like it so far so I'm actually not surprised to see this video and I can't wait to see what you think of the new show