So, you ruined your AR...
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
- It's not that you shouldn't put too much crap on your AR, it's just that you should try to put the right crap on your AR.
Weights are unloaded, magazine out. Otherwise I would have to specify the type and capacity of magazine, and the type of bullet.
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Remember, if your gun feels too heavy, move to anabolic steroids
this is the way
Tren ,TRT and HGH have surpassed steroids
Chicken, broccoli, and rice Bro
do you even lift?
Dianabol and Trenbalone lightems most systems.
Nothing shaves weight off your rifle quite like being too poor for night vision
👍
*omg, who let the poors in here?!*
jk. You're in the right place, learning the things, formulating a plan. Be deliberate about spendy things! Learn from our mistakes. (Ok, not 'our'..., just Hop's really.)
I wonder what will happen post-Ukraine.
@Solar General I stopped paying child support and man I was able to afford a Pvs14 pretty quickly. White phosphorus of course 😂
Be patient, it'll be laying all over the ground when the UN shows up!
How many balloons can I tie to the front of my rifle to make it lightweight? Don’t worry about the balloons being seen either as they’re camoed
Watch out for sniper monkeys
We're all living in 2023, but this man is living in 3023.
@@possumpatrol45 Eobard Thawne be like
@@fiskersproductionsnever thought I’d see a BTD joke on Hop’s channel
OP is a real problem solver! 😂
If you ever have to walk 12 miles with a rifle, you'll figure out how many pieces of equipment you could stand to lose
Very true for backpacking as well
Iron sights and a laser is all you need for a rifle you will never use at night.
or run 10 miles
😂 just 12 miles? I would bet that 99% of people here have never hikes 50+ miles in a day. Train harder because the situation does not care about your feelings.
@@ahole5407 Dude 50 miles what are you the flash? I did a 20 K in the heat of the Panama Jungle, No Ruck, just M-16 6 mags, Butt pack machette/bayonet and 3 Quarts left early morning back before 2pm ate lunch and basically passed out until the next day, a girl could've whipped my azz after that. It's all about Terrain and Temp not distance.
We have forgotten that short guns are supposed to be lightweight and maneuverable.
So is an M16 with a 20" barrel ☝️
No? Not inherently at least. They’re supposed to be short enough to use in CQB.
@@BigPoppaWoodyUSMC made do with 20" M16s in Fallujah so this is a meme
@@EchoKilo-wi9ec Making do and being more useful are two different things. Ask anyone of those guys and they’d almost universally say they’d have preferred a Mk18
@@EchoKilo-wi9ecthe Japanese made due with 4 foot long Arisakas and 18 inch bayonets, doenst mean it’s the best for the job - certified 20-inch Chad
Complaining about gun parts may be a secret flex, but Hop flexes on us with 7 seconds of Brass Facts footage.
That is because Hop is 2 Brass Facts in a trench coat.
@@ElTejon47901 You win the internet today.
As someone who's carried a carbine on duty, you learn real quick what is/isn't important. All of my rifles are not necessarily "ultralight" projects but there are no chonky builds allowed. Sometimes you can tell from a simple internet post that someone has never shot a rifle standing...or has never carried it for more than 20-30 yards at a time.
(r/ak47 is a big one)
I wouldn't know bout not being able to carry my Ak 20 yards, im a big bad ass man. Being 6'4" 250 actually implies me to call yall pussies. So get massive you pussies and dont let me catch you posting things my 5'2" 90 lb wife doesn't even complain about. Such a perfect time to raid us in the states; id bet chinee as fem as theyve become could take us in 48 hours.🤬
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 oh my god you're right the amount of mass monsters there are on r/ak47 is ridiculous
Yeah man, clearing any structure more than a few rooms is miserable on the arms and back, and rucking or running on terrain and then trying to use a rifle effectively is more difficult than people realize.
When are we going to hit the weight minmaxing stage where we dont paint rifles anymore
Oh man, imagine if we min max brands based on average layer weight?
hey, aluminum doesn't rust, let's grind off the anodizing. 0.2oz saved 😜
Full bicycle weight-weenie mentality right there. Time to run the shortest handguard you can wrap your hand around, throw paint stripper on, skeletonized everything, and no lube because that's also added weight. Optics? Hell nah; we're dremeling the top rail into the shape of pistol sights
Its like the professional swimmers who shave their bodies to decrease drag
@@dasauto7346 Fuck handguards, we're gonna grip the magwell, or what's left of it after the Dremel work...
Gotta give credit to the OG Nutnfancy for teaching me about SAWC (size and weight constraints) and POU (philosophy of use). Bring those two thoughts process into my builds and I couldn’t be happier with the outcome.
@Just: NutnFancy also has a video series called: "Dude, You got much crap on your AR-15" But even the stuff he says you "need" is probably too much for most people.
Philosophy of use is huge, every piece of gear follows that (or at least, should)
Second cool is a real thing too 😂
Its weird how much stuff he figured out. He was really ahead of the curve
As much as people dunk on NutnFancy he has some good ideas.
Yes, keep the extra stuff to a minimum. Hang enough stuff on it to make it effective and hold back on the "Maybe, sorta, kinda, might need it"
build it for the mission. they are like legos for a reason.
@Partisan Doomer so I need a money printer on my rifle? 😂
Yeah yeah, we’ll see when shit hits the fan how you feel when i take all your shit with my underbarrel mounted flamethrower
@@juansimon5802 That phrase gets tossed around way too much. The average builder doesn't know what the mission will be.
@@partisandoomer1286 By that logic, you shouldn't buy/build the rifle to begin with because it's only there for a "problem you think you might have one day".
I like the Colin Chapman philosophy of "simplify and add lightness". Start with what you need your rifle to do. Choose the absolute bare minimum, simplest parts that will meet that function without compromise. Then for every individual part, keep searching for lighter options until you start losing capability, then go one step back up and select the next-lightest part. Think of lightness as an additive feature, not weight reduction as a subtractive loss.
Underrated comment. This is the way.
Optic. Suppressor. Light.
Few will understand this comment but i do.
Does that mean bulpup?
@@pranc236 now that I think about it, an MR is essentially a bullpup car
And remember, the beauty of M-lol is that you can add accessories based on need. It doesn’t mean they have to stay on the rifle permanently.
If I am carrying a 10+ lb rifle. It better be in 308
For daylight shooting, sure.
it's ALLLL about the motion of the ocean.
I'm clocking in at 9lb 6oz on the 10.3 night fighter. & 18" SPR clocks in at 9lb 10oz. (quick detach American Defense mount for the 5-25x Viper PST2 -- which returns to perfect zerp every time I've take off and reattached.)
Both weights without mags.
@@Gnolomweb I slapped my Daughter's first AR together during one of the panic times. Where pickings were slim. 16" DB 1-8 medium profile. YHM forearm. MOE pink grip. Stock collapsible ( painted pink 😉 ) butt stock. A Holosun on top and came out at 6 lbs +/-. I can appreciate a good set up. For me though. An AR should be what it was meant to be. Light weight fighting rifle.
My Garand weighed 10-11 lbs.
That's what I call a 10 lb rifle
Laughing in AK.
1:40 the only difference between men and women is that women collect trinkets & knick knacks while men collect gadgets & gizmos
I’m by no means a Navy Seal, just a pog reservist. But one of the funniest things I have ever seen was this “instructor’s” rifle my buddy and I shot with soon after getting home. This monstrosity of an AR15 had two sets of backup iron sights, two foregrips (one for advancing one for retreating,) a peq, a flashlight, and a rail mounted sheath knife “in case I run out of ammo in cqb.” The guy was so proud of his 14lb rifle which was bulky and unwieldy and actually had several malfunctions because he had been messing with parts inside he didn’t fully understand. He was the ultimate representation of a wannabe, never served a day in his life and didn’t have a job that involved any chance of needing to use a gun of any kind, let alone his monstrosity. Yet he came up with “tactical” reasons for every outlandish attachment. Don’t be that guy!
You could make fun of him without hinting that that the 2nd amendment doesn’t apply to everyone.
@@josh2711as another reservist I agree. It was funny till he started pooping on the guy for not serving. Us vs them mentality is a no go.
Fuck you for trash talking a guy practicing his 2A rights and not serving. We served because we chose to do so. 2a community is exactly that, dude sounds like a good sport and probably fun to chat with on the range.
"Two foregrips, one for advancing one for retreating"
How does that even..... what?
Surely he was trolling you, he HAD to be messing with you.
Dont be that guy who feels the need to put others down so they themselves can seem to stand taller. I guess the only people who can be trusted with guns now are high school seniors with no prospects or life options who also check the box of being too stupid to avoid being duped into joining the military... yeah that tracks.
Heavier than necessary guns still perform worse in some ways even if you’re strong. An extra 2-3lbs around your neck and in your hands for 8hours adds up.
You're allowed to say that because you're BUFFFF
Never skip neck day.
8 hours is often a short day...
Rest/work cycles can help, but at the end of the day there's only so many tasks one person can do and that will vary on a whole host of variables.
I hate to break it to you, even a naked AR with just irons is going to smoke your ass when you have to clear buildings for hours on end. Did that a lot overseas, we didn't have all the cool guy shit yet. Days later we were still sore as hell like a hard leg day work out that never ended. We were not that fatty military they are today.
@@zack9912000 Clearing buildings is ghey and overrated scenario.
Every month or so I feel myself getting closer and closer to Nutnfancy's SAWC line becoming my entire personality.
SAWC on deez nuts
Same.
Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same….. lol
Who?
This!
Ask not for lighter burdens but broader shoulders
They are both admirable goals. I don’t understand why people talk as though light equipment is mutually exclusive to getting more fit.
@@Warriorcat49 because the quality of lighter parts goes from S-tier to Chinesium real fast
@@spacebagels_5217 If you arent very smart
But what if one aquires both?
@Gchang54 then you have extreme performance
Most people need a light, sling, and optic. That’s it. Maybe a foregrip/hand stop/etc.
most people need to just stick to 1 build for years and train with it
A suppressor is definitely not a bad idea
real and even then a light is definitely not needed the number of times its actually viable are few and far between
@@wackywoohoopizzaman0173 A light is a very important utility, just mostly outside combat
@@Brent-jj6qi at that point it is not necessary its just a $200 muzzle weight
A good reason why tren should be part of your loadout
Tren?
@Craig Robertson steroids
eat well, tren hard
Tren is Gay. Anadrol is way less gay. Anadrol is for pimps. Tren is for fuckin weirdos dude. It makes you gay
Question to "just hit the gym" bros: why is reducing rifle weight and having a fit body mutually exclusive?
Having both means you can magdump on garbage and larp indefinitely, so I don't get the smugness.
Well most people would do better by shedding weight, not adding it. If they're going to the gym, they should do it because cardiovascular disease is a top killer.
Because peoples solution is almost always to work on their equpitment instead of themselves. An ultralight rifle is still gonna be heavy after a while if you got noodle arms.
If your gun is heavy with the stuff you will use and need. LEAVE IT on your damn gun. Get into shape as best as you can. You will be smoked no matter if your gun is bare with just irons or with the gear you need to survive an engagement. People always forget the rest of their kit that weights 40 pounds plus, saving 3 pounds by removing tools you will need is just stupid. Really stupid to die because you removed your LPVO or your magnifier trying to save the weight only to not see who is trying to kill you
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Holding a rifle is more about endurance. Noodle arms that use rifles will be better at soldiering than someone who does hypertrophy but never runs their stuff.
The modern image of a jacked doorkicker comes from the relatively recent GWOT phenomenon where units like Navy SEALs used their downtime to hit the gym as they got used to a semi-regular schedule for night operations.
If you want to get big, get big. If you want to do a lot of push ups, do a lot of push ups. If you want to do a 10 min plank, do planks for a long time until you get there. If you want to hold a rifle... hold a rifle. Skinnyfat DYELs have been putting people in dirt naps for millennia.
Try that when your 70 and disabled with bad joints. I do work out but there is a limit to what I can do without seeing a doctor again.
Thank You Hop
My first AR had a 16" HBAR and a carbine length quadrail. With magpul flip ups and a sling it was pushing 8.5lbs, and massively front heavy. Add an optic and light and it was well over 10lbs.
Total new guy mistake.
But it taught a valuable lesson. Heavy guns suck, unbalanced heavy guns suck exceedingly more. And the experience made me very conscious of weight and balance.
A well balanced and weight conscious AR15 is truly a thing of beauty and a splendid tool!
Your vids are awesome and always appreciated.
I'm sure the HBAR was plenty accurate though.
Point taken but isn’t the difference between 8.5 & 10 lbs not much in the grand scale of things if you have a quick presentation from the high ready? Asking becuase once you go into night vision you’re kinda stuck with much more weight. Just work out more or handle that AR I would think.
@@gmenendez9569 it does make difference especially since HBAR is horribly front heavy. Some people like it because it supposedly reduces rifle swaying while shooting standing, but for me personally it just isn't comfortable
@@gmenendez9569 being super front heavy will fatigue you faster. The added strain on your stabilizing muscles and connective tissue adds up faster. It's not so much weight as it is balance. View would have been happier if he ran a lighter profile barrel and a heavy stock like a B5 SOPMOD.
@@poisonouslead85 thank you for explanation.
Considering how many ex military have gloated over the roughly 7lb m16a1 that they were given, there's definitely a lot to be said for keeping it lightweight.
7 lbs for the M16A1.
@@2fathomsdeeper Thanks for the info!
Here is a thought. More than just overall weight, balance is in my opinion much more important. I would like to see a video on that angle.
THIS, I had a Sig virtus and it weighed the same as my scar 17. The virtus was so front heavy that it felt way heavier than the SCAR. I swore the muzzle device was made of depleted uranium.
He mentions it in the video. If you have a heavy front, get a heavier stock. Not much more you can do
Had this same thought process and was looking for someone else to say it.
Unfortunately with muzzle devices going at the end of the barrel, as well as just about anything you want that's not an optic, makes it very hard not to end up front heavy on ARs.
@@MillionFoul with proper planning it can be avoided. I went out of my way to have balanced rifles. I have four really nice ARs and all have suppressors and all are balanced quite nicely. It's not a foregone conclusion that they are just going to be out of balance.
Solid Peggy Hill quote, iirc the exact quote was "...a scientific principle that I like to call 'leverage'"
Yeah you want to keep the weight of your AR below "10 boxes that you might be moving".
With a quality pencil barrel your groups will open up when they get hot, but the zero shouldn’t shift. I’ve got a BCM CHF pencil barrel on a 16” rifle and I’ve been very impressed with it, shooting 10-20 round groups on NRA high power targets at 100 & 200 yards
In Hatcher’s Book of the Garand there is a picture of a worker at Springfield Armory using a ‘barrel straightening fixture’ that they would put a barrel in and turn a big wheel to straighten it while eyeballing it. We’ve come a long way since then.
You can also increase how long it takes to open up by cutting a silicone oven liner and putting it on the gas tube. It pulls heat out of the gas pipe and costs less than an ounce of weight.
Modern metallurgy makes pencil barrels much more viable than people give them credit for. Zero shift is basically not measurable with a quality pencil.
I'm running a faxon pencil barrel and faxon hand guard. I guess we had the same thought process. I highly doubt I'll ever need to hit a target 500 yards away, but I know I can consistently shoot 300 yards with no magnification as well.
@@KamikazKid silicone is an insulator not a conductor and isn't going to be helping much... what were you high on when you made up this "trick"?
@thomgizziz You would be right, but oven liners are made of thermally conductive silicone. Thermally conductive silicones are a type of silicone material that is designed to efficiently transfer heat away from components. Unlike regular silicones, which are typically insulators, thermally conductive silicones are engineered to have high thermal conductivity, making them ideal for applications where heat management is crucial.
How Do Thermally Conductive Silicones Work?
Thermally conductive silicones are made by incorporating thermally conductive fillers, such as aluminum oxide or boron nitride, into the silicone matrix. These fillers increase the material's thermal conductivity, allowing it to efficiently transfer heat away from heat-generating components.
In summary, you don't know what type of silicone you are talking about and that is why your dumb ass is wrong.
when i start thinking about my heavy ar15, i remember my grandparents carried m1 rifle and a bar. so i think its best to train with what you got instead of just starting new builds. i think the extra weight from a holographic sight suppressor and ir laser is worth it, it keeps my crop safe from animals that would destroy them.
Facts. While weight is a factor worth considering, no one should complain that their rifle is "too heavy." If they do, they ought to carry an M249 or M240 for a few miles.
You had me until you said holographic
Unless you have NVGs, a IR laser is just cool guy crap.
They didnt have plate carriers...
Damn the raccoons. Damn them to hell.
The heavier my rifle is, the more effective it will be as a hammer after I’ve missed all my shots
Quad rail lovers be like "wow look at all this rail space I'll never use! Awesome! Why does my gun weight 20lbs?"
Saying a quad rail is full of rail space that won't be used is like saying a mlok handguard comes with a bunch of holes you'll never use.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD the difference is you save weight with more mlok holes
@@fiskersproductions not to mention the heat distribution benefits of the mlok holes
@@fiskersproductions Of course. But the weight is there for a reason. One may not use a rail segment, but someone else will.
It's 3 oz.
Victimized by yet another Hop video. Starting to wonder why I ever visit this channel just to get my dick kicked in. Love the content, always useful and purpose driven information!
He kinda killed quad rails for me in his Q&A special :(
He keeps doing this to me
Asshole made me buy an aimpoint T2 too…
If you equate not over accessorizing your AR to keep it lighter and more maneuverable as getting your dick kicked in, then wow! Just wow!
Solid video and good points. Capability is weight, and we live in the modern era where force multipliers are important. I also love my D2.
That's a great way of wording it.
If a weapon will have many accessories at the end of the barrel, a shorter barrel will provide less leverage for the weight to work against you. Some weight can be transferred between the weapon and your body with QD; lights are a good example. Light, 550, carabiner; your muzzle could be lighter the entire time artificial light isn’t necessary if you QD it and tie it down to your weapon or kit at your discretion while on patrol. I see a lot of parts that don’t go off and on, lol. I see a lot of flashlights in the daytime.
Heavier rifle isn't necessarily ruined if all that weight has given you increased capability that is worth the tradeoff to you. Is 10 pounds heavy? Yes. Can you manage to live with that weight if that rifle's ammo is also lightweight like 5.56? Yes it can be done. I'd rather take the AR as configured in this video than a milled AK, PTR 91, or M1A in most circumstances. Hanging those same mods (if you can even manage it)on virtually any other rifle platform will be much heavier.
Gotta stack those “force multipliers”!
I think just putting an LPVO on my M70 takes it close to or over 10 pounds. I like the gun but it probably should have a Holo / Red dot or a Prism at best with how beefy it is baseline.
A heavy rifle isn’t a bad thing if it’s in a static position, or stays in the vehicle. If you got to hump that thing around, no bueno.
A gun having a million gadgets and gizmos is a benefit that's only theoretical unless you find yourself in a situation where you actually happen to need one, so most likely their benefit will only ever be theoretical.
A gun being lightweight is a real, practical advantage that is realized every time the rifle is picked up. So long as the gun actually gets used, which is a presupposition of this discussion, then its benefit occurs 100% of the time.
My 16in AR is just under 9lbs if i leave the magnifier off of it, so 10lbs otherwise. I don't think its incredibly heavy, I've hiked with it before and I wasn't complaining about it
My rifles have an optic, sling, and white light. That’s really it unless the build needs a VG. Some of them have a QD flash hider for my can because why wouldn’t I.
Yes, I already know, I’m “going to die” because I don’t have all the gizmos for night operation.
That's all I have too.
Way, way back in 1986, I was issued a M16A2.
No optic, no rail, no nothing.
I'm good with sling, light and optic.
I built my kids two 16” 350 legends and got them under 6lbs.. it made me re evaluate every other rifle I have because they’re so fun to hold and shoot lol
Whered ya get the upper?
@@recklesssquirel5962 spec’d out every piece. I Went through the online ar15 lightweight parts database that’s on arfcom if you google for it to find lightweight stuff like stocks and grips. Used faxon gunner profile barrel and a cheap $30 12.5 carbon fiber tube mlok handguard to lighten up the front as much as possible so they could hold it up for longer periods with a thread protector on muzzle end. Moe k grip and ab arms sniper stock because those are all about as lightweight as milspec m4 weight but better ergos. For optic I went with the sig buckmaster and aero mount. The under 6lbs was without optic, that added a pound by itself.
How's the recoil on them? 6lbs seems very light for relatively powerful caliber like that.
@@asdfghjk2933 super light, I don’t know if it’s the cartridge itself that is light or what. Lots of ppl say 350 is light recoil and I’m thinking it’s true especially in a semi auto. My only issue with the guns are feeding issues related to mags :(
@@civicsr2cool Give a B5 SOPMOD a try on one of those rifles. Stock is hefty but it shifts the center of gravity of the rifle backwards to the shooter. Having the center of gravity further back towards the shooter's firing hand makes one handed manipulations a breeze. I have one on my relatively light 13.7" gov't profile frankengun and it completely changes how the rifle balances and handles compared to the basic M4 stock. The balance point is right at the barrel nut when decked out with a light, muzzle device, foregrip, sling mount, and optic.
My priorities are home/ranch property defense with a compact AR. Durability, reliability, accurate, common parts, compact, affordable were the attributes. The Weight was a passing after thought. I'm not giving up my optics, WL, or 30 rounds.
Makes sense, farmers typically have wheels to move around on.
its like you didnt watch the video
Man, this makes me realize how little I know about weapon systems.
Right there with ya bud
All that means is you have the opportunity to learn. Also when it comes to a real conflict a lot of this stuff gets invalidated as soon as non infantry units like tanks and artillery squads roll up.
To quote the movie jarhead “what our rifles can shoot out to 600 yards? This war is gonna move twice as far in a second, by the time we sight in our rifles the enemy will be long gone”.
@@JohnNeo19 conventional war? Yeah. But insurgency/counter-insurgency is almost all done with infantry and whatever support is nearby at the time of contact. I’m not a vet and I’m just some mouth breather on YT but this is my understanding of things anyways.
midfight "hang yall timeout i gotta change my batteries" wipes the glass* charges batteries because you know the battefield has madd electricity 😂
With smart parts selection, it's entirely possible to build a lightweight AR that's fully capable of doing what you need it to do. As I type this I'm sitting beside an 11.5" BCM that weighs 5.1 lbs. unloaded with optic, sling, and light. As mentioned in the video, a system-wide approach is ideal and the little things matter. Using an ACRO or Steiner MPS instead of a T-2, using an 18350 / single-cell 123 in lieu of a longer body and locating the light in such a way that you can forego a remote switch, and using paracord or the polymer Blue Force Gear UWL in place of swivels to attach a 1" sling all add up to significant weight savings with little to no decrease in capability.
Of course, intended purposes vary for each person and situation but the process of choosing the best parts for the job still apply: Determine your intended purpose and assemble the lightest package that meets those needs, rather than trying to "maximize capability" against a weight budget that you are almost guaranteed to exceed. In a very real sense, lightness and handiness are themselves capabilities.
This is the way.
Yes.
Awww he thinks 5.1 lbs is light
I started out with a 20" DMR-style, free-floated AR with several accessories on it. After about 4 years of modifying it, it morphed into an A1 replica. Go figure!
That's kinda what I want to make is an A1 or A2 style gun with a carbon fiber handguard. A kind of retro-future M16 if you will.
@@KamikazKid why
@@KamikazKid so a long barrel WWSD rifle?
@@KamikazKid As far as I am concerned, that kind of rifle would be good to go. People forget you can mount optics to a carry handle. In fact, an NV-compatible reflex sight on top of a carrying handle would allow for a sleek, passive aiming system. If you can mount a light or laser to the handguard, that's really the only major thing that is needed to update the original design for modern accessories.
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
Lucky for me I’m too broke for night vision and actively protest the NFA so it’s all optics, white lights and vertical grips.
I've hauled around belt feds for untold miles. If your rifle is too heavy, do more pushups. Never seen anybody lean their rifle up against a tree and walk away because it was too heavy.
Your nutinfancy reference make me want to see you two do a collaboration. You and brass facts running soldier boy with him would be quite entertaining.
It be a two hour video with hop speaking for 15mins
Hoplopfheil = Nutnfancy's Lesbian Aunt. He would come back from Utah with a Dad bod wearing a robin-blue ballcap and yellow fanny-pack 😂
Best ar experience I've ever had was an older dpms, broom handle foregrip, old eotech, carbine gas system. Light-weight out front, tucked into my shoulder nicely and easy to swing target to target; so simple. I've also shot a ddm4v7; cant say I enjoyed it much as there's just too much weight out front, even with minimal attachments...just doesn't have the same balance, feels off. So, this video really resonates, glad you touched on this topic.
The opening of this video is basically the “why” behind the WWSD from InRange
Solid video. But I feel like it asked more questions than it answered. I guess the moral of the story is "train with your gear. Know what you need/don't need. And trim off weight from there, or ad capability based on need." There is no good answer.
My M16A2 clone is my favorite ar. So simple and streamlined. I don't have to worry about anything other than making sure it's sighted in and loaded. Definitely best rifle.
My favorite too.
Your analysis of the build and build another cycle is very accurate LOL
Whenever I think my stick is too heavy- I just play with a large caliber stick and then when I go back- it feels feather light
I built out an AR pistol with a Rosco K9 12.5 barrel. That barrel is definitely a little chunky but it does shoot really good. I have a 16 inch pencil barrel upper on a KP15 monolithic polymer lower that weighs less than the 12.5 pistol. Both great shooters though. Great video as always
Both running Midwest industries combat rails and stream light hlx lights
I did the same thing. Kp lower with pencil barrel and b5 handguard and Romeo 5 red dot. Loaded it weighs 5.3 pounds. Love that rifle for hiking through woods when hunting
@@pearson935 I traded another AR pistol for a Wasr 10/63 AK a while back and neglected all my other guns. When I picked my KP15 build back up like a month later I was like daaaang! So lightweight and it just feels great. I'm running a primary arms 1x prism on it and some mbus sights. Definitely a good trekking rifle. Want to up the magnification eventually from the 1x prism though
Got a Faxon pencil barrel and the old gwacs lower my first attempt at a wwsd rifle, I am seriously considering changing the aluminum hand guard for one of the fostech LITE magnesium ones.
those barrels look cool, but they just LOOK chunky! glad it shoots well, i bet you could dump a 100 rnd drum through that barrel and have no heat shift
Back in 2002' I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile. Now I'm 40 like James, and I wonder what the hell happened?
Uncle Rico vibes.
Your body is breaking down as you get closer to dying
And throwing anything leads to a sleepless night of bursitis.😣
@@tonyb3848We got a Doctah here! 😂 Dork.
5 or 6 years ago, I started stripping "doo dads" off my guns, and went back to basics. Half of my ARs are running JUST irons, and some of those use a fixed front sight post/fixed rear/carry handle... Only one scoped AR in the whole bunch, and 4 or 5 with T1 sized red dots... I may have 2 with lights... Dumped quad rails for "slim" MLok or GI handguards... Even stocks and braces were simplified by going with SBA3s, and B5 SOPMODs on all but one; and its sporting an A2 fixed stock... Boonie packer "combat" slings with QDs or USGI nylon with tri-glides...
Said all that to say this... I ENJOY shooting my ARs again. Not just because of weight savings ...they just shoot better. They get up faster, point easier, and just look cleaner and less busy. Its refreshing.
I could probably take all the tacticool stuff I pulled off my ARs, sell it on eBay, and buy another rifle!
Not running optics isn't the flex you feel it is.
@@thomgizziz Is that what you took from what I wrote?
Sorry your reading comprehension is so bad. Public school failed you.
Ultimate Urban Lightweight Pin & Welded Recce Style Rifle stays winning.
The real advantage to Pic rails vs mlok, is you usually don't need anything more than some pocket change to remove an accessory. That streamlight HL-X in a pic adapter means when you don't need it, you can take it off. Order of priorities always matters: Sling, Optic, Light, Bipod, suppressor, LAM, offset/piggyback/etc.
I feel like I have been in the minority for a long time, but I keep my weapon lights on QD mounts. I don't need that heavy thing on my handguard most of the time. It can stay in my bag and be attached as needed.
Hop saying "Doodad" is my new notification tone.
Digging the lightcaps! +1 for One Hundred Concepts
Does everyone need a flashlight on their gun? I mean a light switch works pretty good.
Flashlight and red dot. That's all I need. I'm not some secret agent on a stealth mission lol. More power to you if you want 7 attachments but that ain't for me.
What i shouldve said was "gizmo or doo dad." Earned a sub lmao
More and more of this. I've always been into the lightweight yet "duty" shit.
Maybe one on heat and barrel profile. Little sprinkle of "Hopisim" on harmonics and whip.
A tip from someone who is currently running a 10lb 10.3" gun on the reg, lift more and QD everything short of your optic. Never skip shoulders (especially your support side), bicep curls are your best bud, and reverse grip chin ups...a lot of them. Your gun is only as effective as YOU are. So get out there and improve yourself my dudes! I know you can do it.
The QD system will save so much weight when used right. Are you running CQB drills with buddies who have no cans? Detach that suppressor and pull that magnifier off. Always remember the ancient texts "Mission set dictates gear requirements".
Or you could not be a bonehead and pretend that your bad choices were right all along. If you work out and have a lighter rifle then it makes things even better for you and you can control your rifle better. This nonsense "work out" BS is just that. Stop gaslighting yourself.
@@thomgizziz Your reply tells me two things. 1) You have NEVER ran a suppressed NV gun. Making a NV gun "light" doesn't work well...ask me how I know. 2) Lifting your own body weight / jogging a mile sounds like a Herculean task to you.
As an aside, a heavier rifle is more controllable under recoil. The weight of the rifle for maneuvering doesn't matter that much. You would know this if you ever ran a course of fire...key word is ran btw.
@@thomgizzizlmao
My mom invited me out to the range two weeks ago, my arms were a bit sore from the gym the day before but I didn't think it would be a problem. Her husband hands me his AR-10 style rifle to shoot, I don't think he considered weight at all in his build, it had a light, laser, beefy bi-pod, and a vertical fore grip plus a quad rail, there was a magnified optic as well, but it wasn't a large scope, probably should have one it was practically a sniper rifle. I couldn't get through the third magazine they handed me. my arms were literally shaking with muscle fatigue. I didn't wanna put the bi-pod down because there were several handguns and ammo boxes on the table and I didn't wanna move them all. I thought I may shake some stuff off from the vibrations, not sure didn't wanna test that out.
Good vid. I swap out exps3 vs t1 from time to time. I notice a fairly significant difference , when handling, also
11.2oz eotech vs about 5-6oz for T1.
Honestly its so true. I was new to the game and added all this shit to my URGI and it became soo heavy. The biggest thing was when I added a rc2. That changed completely how I handled my rifle
I'll raise you by mounting my 300SPS to a 14.5 upper. Even longer and heavier can lol. The mini2 is calling my name.
@@minilogoguy18 oof
Jesus Christ you guys please lift some weights 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@minilogoguy18 yup I honestly wish I went with the mini2, but think about the people running the mg2.... lol
My MK18 mod 1 is a tank. If you're set up for NV and run a can, it's probably going to be a bit heavy.
Increased capabilities come at a cost. Weight reduction comes at a cost. Increased protection has a cost. In the world of defense acquisitions these are always true. There is a reason we have not replaced the M-1 tank and the B-52. Think about that when you are striving for that perfect “build.” The enemy of good enough is perfect.
I like the swivel stud bipod idea. It was the first bipod I bought. What I have gone to recently to achieve the same end goal is a picatunny bipod mounted on a QD rail section. Now there is no need to have multiple mlok sling eyelets or to have to move one from rifle to rifle. Just an idea.
You could take a look at the BLK LBL handguards, a little pricey... Lighter and more streamlined, for fewer things to snag on.
Perfect no bullshit gun channel. My new favorite.
"Dude, you've got too much crap on your AR" videos from nutn changed how I build rifles. I try to keep all my non-NF rifles between 6 to 7 lbs.
I don’t see what’s wrong with a simple rifle. In all reality a basic rifle with magpul handguards, sling, light, and whatever optic is literally ALL YOU NEED. I don’t even think you need an aluminum handguard. The magpul one already has mlok slots, you might as well save the weight. And before someone mentions accuracy with fReE FlOat all I’m gonna say is skill issue.
Even a basic rifle is heavy after hours of clearing. People need to get their priorities straight, a light rifle is the least of your issues and will get you killed if you remove all the useful tools you will need. Doesn't mean to load it down with BS, but its really dumb to die because people tried to save 12 oz and they didn't see the guy in a dark room.
Gotta have ALL of the tacticool gidgets and gazmos
Hop makes a good little video drop, on Saturday morning, to go with your coffee
I see you’ve met my son’s 10.5 BRN-180. Super front heavy but that gun and weight at the end of the barrel end up with the flattest shooting AR I’ve ever pulled the trigger on.
Your barrel profile, handguard, and stock are the 3 biggest factors for weight in the actual AR15 weapon system.
Accessories (lights, lasers, pressure pads, leads, mounts, optic, back up optic, suppressor, suppressor mount, handstop, mlok/picatinny covers, etc) will add the majority of your weight.
Out of these, your optic choice will probably dictate the largest weight difference.
WTF is wrong with your head? The 3 biggest factors for weight are barrels, handguards and stocks but accessories will add the majority of your weight? Holy nonsense batman.
Looking forward to Hop, Brass Facts, Reno May and this new guy (DDN) starting a rock band named “Nine Inch Rails”
Weight was not a consideration when I built my MK18 clone, and man is that bitch heavy with the "proper" Knights RAS, Streamlight and an Aimpoint...
If I ever get nods, I might get an IR laser, but for now I'm good with a PA x1 prism and a white light. I also have a 3x prism on one of the rifles to give me better target identification at distance. All guns are 6.5 lbs or less.
ive got both of those too and they are great!
The lightest possible option for a stock/brace that I have found is a gear head works mod1c brace and tube. My V7 lower with the above brace weighs less than a ke arms polymer lower.
I like the battlelink stock it's the lightest I've found that is adjustable & has sling QD point.
I feel personally attacked.
I have the turbo T2 suppressor with the same QD system, and after receiving it I immediately bought a direct thread adapter. Saves so much weight
Which direct thread adapter did you buy?
This was my first AR.
I test fired a buddies' bare bones ar and thought "wow, this is way lighter than mine"
Then i realized my mistake of putting every possible accessory on it with no regard for weight.
I am currently building a rpk style ar build. 18" chrome heavy barrel with a 3.4x elcan and bipod on it. Weight has gone out the window with that one. My other ar is pretty trim though
Someone been watching PSR??? Badass rifle fa sho
The American RPK concept is so sick
Glad to see others doing it
I am going to take all of the "RPK AR" people and give them swirlies.
@@w0263495 it's been a build idea I've had going for like 5 years at least. But I finally have the time, money, and the aftermarket parts support to build it exactly how I want it
I feel attacked
I am currently building a .350 legend AR for hunting hogs and deer, and its quite light even though it has a heavy barrel. For the upper, Its got an 18" heavy contour barrel, aero adjustable gas block, Stag arms left hand eject upper and bcg, Aero Breach charging handle, aero 15" ATLAS S, Aero light weight scope mount, and a Trijicon 1-4x Creedo. I haven't decided what bipod to go for yet. As for the lower, an Aero M4E1 lower, Trimney 4.5 Ib trigger, Timney ambi selector, JP silent capture spring, strikes extended bolt catch, Aero enhanced buffer tube, and a Magpul ACS stock. I chose the ACS for its storage mostly, and it was on sale. Those battery compartments will make great storage for a nice cleaning kit, with the side compartment holding some small tools and cleaning patches. I wish I could have gotten the 1-6x creedo, but 1-4x should be perfectly capable for the range of .350 legend, and I just didn't have the money for the 1-6x. All in all, i'm sure its not light, but it really doesn't feel that heavy, and I can hold it out with one arm. For hunting, it would be perfectly capable and not too bad. I'm getting a custom made break for it, but may one day, put a suppressor on it.
Depends on what your definition of "ruined" is. I wanted a cqb 5.56 that runs well suppressed. Not a DMR. I like mine just fine 😊
If you feel like you’re AR is too heavy, hit it with your purse.
When I started, I put everything I could find on my rifle. Now I have irons and a dot on one and irons, a dot, and a light on my home gun.
This brings Nutnfancy "too much crap on your rifle" to mind.
Gymcels be like "there's nothing wrong with a 18lbs 5.56 rifle bro"
What's your thoughts on 20 inch barrels?
I imagined it was a full sized M16 (1:03)- and you are just a giant with huge hands.. and I couldn't unsee it. lol... being sleep deprived is a trip
Take a hike at your local national forest. You'll learn real quick what you do and dont need
“10 pound 10.3”” that describes my ding thanks hope this helps have a Great weekend all 👌
man you gotta get that checked! that ratio is off my dude! hahah
Basically the same Nutnfancy and InRange's WWSD preach.
The best handling Stoner-designed rifle I ever shot was the old M16A1. It weights 7.6 lbs and didn’t have anything attached other than a sling and the occasional brilliant idea to tape two 30s together. Nicely balanced. The M4 based platforms I’ve used since then have weight a lot more.
Recently revisited a 20” with a gov’t profile barrel. What a joy.
Also quad rails seems to just be rugged as hell
That's why I have a QD magnifier and QD suppressor. When I want them I can easily put them on but when I want to shave 2.5 lbs I can easily take them off
QD suppressors are always heavier. Unless you have pin and welded the suppressor QD attachment to get length then you are just adding a ton of weight.
There are ways to shed weight, depends if you are willing spend for them. For instance using a titanium barrel nut, fostech’s magnesium upper and/or hand guard (1/3 the weight, 3x the strength if you believe them,) carbon fiber fiber hand guards, polymer monolith lowers, and that’s not touching barrel profiles, skeletalization, or lightweight bcgs. You have to know what the rifle is going to be used and build to it within the budget. If you want a night fighter you use some of the tricks above to balance out the weight.
To paraphrase L James Sullivan, reducing the weight of the BCG is "crazy." Not sure why the hell you would be doing that with pistol gas, but okay.
One of my faves is a 16" mid length with adjustable buttstock, A1 upper and 2 point sling. Light, simple, effective.
I felt I did well with this balance with my first build, which was a dmr AR-10. Making quite a rigid but lightweight platform.
The #1 thing I see when people complain about how heavy their rifle feels, is poor sling use. Sling feels tight, rifle feels light. Crank that shit down and the sling will carry half your rifle for you.
People also need to get into shape, if people think their rifle is heavy. Now add the 40 plus pounds of kit you throw on in 120 degree weather for 12 hours. Taking tools off of their guns to save 12 ozs and in the end die because you couldn't make out who was shooting you at distance. You will be smoke no matter if their AR was naked or loaded up.
@@zack9912000 I don't think the question here was removing optics for weight, moreso getting optics and lights without having pointless weight in there.